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Title: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on May 29, 2019, 07:41:46 AM
 No excuse for my total lack of absence here on forum. Might have something to do w/me trying my hardest not to slip into a state of depression. Haven't surfed since 3/4/19 when I hurt my right shoulder. Longest ever for me outa the water since my early teens. Too painful and after two sets of x-rays from two different orthopedics I've been diagnosed w/advanced arthritis in right shoulder. Rotator cuff damage has been ruled out thanx to an MRI (I was diagnosed w/an underlying tear in July, 2008). So I go in for a sonogram guided cortisone shot this Friday (5/30). Had em before and once there was such a bad reaction in 2008 I had to check into the ER the pain was so bad. Cortisone flair up was so extreme I was given a shot of dilaudid in the butt. Put me right out for like 5 hrs and upon awaking the pain was totally gone. Should mention I was in a total state of narcosis and had to have someone come get me and drive me home. That shoulder injection is WAY scary and not looking forward to getting another one. Hopefully it'll relieve the pain I've been hunkering through for weeks and weeks now. Looks like shoulder replacement might be in my future.
   And to make matters worse I walked into the nozzle wand of my power washer and my ankle has been effed up for like a week now. Mighta fractured it. Then while operating said power washer a female carpenter bee stung me right effin' directly on the swollen bit of the ankle and got me good. Needless to say that was a few steps in the wrong direction to healing up.
  May is my busiest month for landscaping when I have to get all my accounts ready by Memorial day and I've been trudging through the work tirelessly, rarely even checking the surf. At least it's been keeping me busy.
So things definitely ain't what they used to be.
Stay stoked cuz I sure have lost mine.
Thax Zoners
surfercook/Marc

X-Ray image w/arrow pointing to shoulder joint worn down to bone.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: JimK on May 29, 2019, 08:04:02 AM
My thoughts are with you
Take care of yourself
You'll be out in the lineup soon
JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Bean on May 29, 2019, 08:09:30 AM
Your missplaced stoke will find it's way back to you my friend...keep the faith!
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Dusk Patrol on May 29, 2019, 08:14:18 AM
Thanks for sharing what you’re (temporarily!) going through... speedy recovery, man.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Zooport on May 29, 2019, 08:25:08 AM
Thoughts and prayers are going out to you.  It's hard to keep the depression at bay when you can't go out and do the things you love. 
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: supsean on May 29, 2019, 08:48:15 AM
Its not much consolation, but the slowness of summer is upon us and hopefully you can rehab with an eye out on the fall waves!


Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: burchas on May 29, 2019, 08:53:07 AM
This setback shall pass too. Hopefully just in time when no wetsuit required.

I always go back and watch my vids and try making new edits of previous material if
I can't get on the water, sometime even improve my editing skills. Just an idea.

Be well.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on May 29, 2019, 09:33:41 AM
feel better Cook!    the waters off NJ miss you.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: supcymru on May 29, 2019, 09:41:21 AM
All the best with the treatment on your shoulder and I hope that you recover well and quickly!
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: iopsailor on May 29, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
I hope you’ll check out the non-invasive treatments such as massage, chiropractic, CBD oil and juju beads before going under the knife. Even the SaltWater Cure might be called for, tho it’s traditionally Rx’d for depression.  Hope you’re better soon,
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: supthecreek on May 29, 2019, 12:03:12 PM
ccokieman... that sucks dude, maybe I'll have to ride down there and cheer you up!

Hopefully this will be temporary and the cook can get back in the line.

Can you still strum, or is that sidelined as well?
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: nalu-sup on May 29, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
As a person who had one hip replaced 10 years ago, and the other one a year ago, I can tell you that there is life after joint replacement, and it can be really good. I am back to SUP surfing, downwinding, and windsurfing every day all summer, and skiing every day all winter. When my hips and back went bad (also had back surgery to remove a disc), I got pretty depressed sometimes when I was looking at all those surgeries, thinking that my active days were over. Now my hips are pain free, and fully active.
I know that looking at a shoulder replacement does not sound fun, and the rehab will be a bitch; but there can be a pain free and active life on the other side. A lot of athletes our age have a couple of new joints, and some have three or four. It seems like most of the full time skiers my age have at least one new joint, and they are all still going strong. Don't think it means the end of your surfing days. Just keep looking for the best solutions, and then just keep moving forward.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: JEG on May 29, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
that sux dude and get well soon.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: TallDude on May 29, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Are you getting old Cookie? Me too. Time to make some music. By the time you back on the water you'll have all this new material to lay down on your surf videos ;) There's always an up side. You just have to look for it.  I'm in grind mode right now, trying to free up surf time. 
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on May 29, 2019, 06:52:40 PM
That's some quality Zoner support. Way cool.  8) At least I went down swingin'! That last day I surfed on longboard was so sweet. It was at the local watering hole and everyone was out. And not one sup, mostly cuz I thought it perf for the longboard and always cherished the perfect winter sessions there. I don't think I even fell once that day. 
JimK, Bean, Dusk Patrol, Zooport, supsean, burchas, NothJerzSurfer, supcymru, iopsailor, supthecreek, nalu-sup, JEG, TallDude----you guys stoked me to the max. Guess that's just what I needed. I was so reluctant to post my misfortune. Sympathy seeking is not too high on my priority list. Since I'm getting close to treatment figured I'd do it. I've been tempted to paddle out now and again but didn't wanna risk making the injury worse.
  Funny, a few yrs ago I'd always envy the younger guys for their agility and physical advantage. These days I'm in envy of you older guys that are still surfing, like supthecreek, Tom, and Ponobill. My goal has always been to surf til 65. I made it to 61 anyways. Hopefully I'll be back. 
 
supthecreek- I've been playing my gtr and keyboard fairly regularly. Thanx for askin'. When I was first injured it hurt so bad to straddle the guitar.

nalu-sup- You sure have alot of experience w/joint replacement.  From what I've read shoulder is the least common procedure w/hip and knee replacement being more common. Do you know anyone w/shoulder replacement?

iopsailor- surprised you didn't mention physical therapy also. I was doing all these exercises for weeks and finally decided they were doing more harm than good. I have been using a topical CBD balm. Also arnica montana.

supsean- lol..funny, my goal was to be back in the gentle waters of summer and be ready by fall for the good stuff. Only time will tell what happens.

burchas- I just might do some editing. You fueled my motivation a bit. I have all this raw footage from last summer's two trips paddling across our inlet here to surf the other side.

I think back to one of the first songs I liked as a young child. Doris Day singing ''Que Sera Sera''. She was so beautiful and seemed as kind and loving as my mom. So I searched out the sheet music and started playing it reminding myself that indeed whatever will be will be. so be it.


Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: stoneaxe on May 29, 2019, 07:11:26 PM
Heal well....getting old is getting old here too.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Dusk Patrol on May 29, 2019, 07:34:18 PM
Wow, your mom is ACTUALLY Doris Day! Or close to it ...
That’s a nice photo...
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: nalu-sup on May 29, 2019, 11:13:18 PM
In answer to your question; most of the joint replacement folks I know have new hips and knees, partly because most of them are skiers, and those are the joints that skiers wear out the most. A couple of them had shoulders replaced, but we never talked about it much. One of my lady windsurf students has had a knee and a shoulder replaced, and she is still windsurfing. She must be feeling okay, because a couple of days ago she was encouraging another of my students to get her shoulder replaced.
You may not have to go down that road, but if you do, I have one piece of very important advice. If you decide to get it done, do your research, and find the best guy in the country for your specific surrgery. No matter how far away you have to travel, find a guy who specializes in the surgery you are having, and who can show you solid statistics of what activity level his patients have returned to. Don't pick somebody in your hometown, just because it is more convenient; find the guy who has done thousands of operations like yours, and who can show you statistics of what his patients can do now. I flew all the way from Hawaii to South Carolina to have my hips replaced by the guy who is one of the best in the world at the unusual type of surgery I chose, and that specific surgery is all that he does; a total specialist is what you want. His published results gave me confidence that I had a 98% chance of getting back to full sports activity at 67, and it worked. Find a guy who can show you those kinds of odds for your shoulder, and you will feel a lot better if you choose to go that direction.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: eastbound on May 30, 2019, 08:07:37 AM
Whoa, pretty mamma is right!

I’d wondered where you were cookie. Glad you’re ok, cuz you are. You’ll get through this. Just keep on with shit.

And don’t be a stranger to the zone—apparently you’ve got people here.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Tom on May 30, 2019, 08:52:15 AM
Sorry to hear about your problems. Wishing your good luck on your recovery.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on May 30, 2019, 08:08:50 PM
Well I surfed my 9'11'' Ripper to test the shoulder b4 tomorrow's injection and it's definitely not good. After an hour I was done. One foot onshore mush seemed easy enough. But paddling again felt stressing to the shoulder. Did feel good to get in the water though even though I fell a lot in the beginning. I've a feeling it'll be a long while until I try again.

SOLOSHOT footage on DropBox-
https://www.dropbox.com/s/te4bn35dd2qbyg1/Pre_Inject.avi?dl=0


Heal well....getting old is getting old here too.
Hear that, Stoney!

Find a guy who can show you those kinds of odds for your shoulder, and you will feel a lot better if you choose to go that direction.
Thanx, solid advice. Supposedly the doctor right here is really good. But I've yet to do any homework on him.

Wow, your mom is ACTUALLY Doris Day! Or close to it ...That’s a nice photo...
Thanks Dusky. That made me lol and love that foto even more. And my mom was extra nice. True story.

Whoa, pretty mamma is right!
lol. Can't say I've ever heard my mom called that. But I do agree. She was a beauty. And thanx for the encouraging words, eastie.

Sorry to hear about your problems. Wishing your good luck on your recovery.
Thanx, Tom. I'll always regret not looking you up my last trip out there and surfing w/you. Maybe one day. At least I didn't injure the shoulder when I was out there in Feb.



Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Bean on May 31, 2019, 01:08:23 PM
Hopin' you made out great today SC! :)
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfinJ on May 31, 2019, 01:43:13 PM
Keep it up and keep pushing through.  A day at a time.

My wife is dealing with some chronic arthritis pain and getting her finally on quality
CBD oil has been a game changer.  As a pain management device it seems to work wonders.

You've still haven't gotten to the surf here yet so you stop now.
Good luck 
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on May 31, 2019, 08:26:47 PM
Hopin' you made out great today SC! :)
lol, Thanx Bean. Uh duh, the appointment was yesterday! I messed up. Next appointment is on 6/13 @1:30. Please remind me a coupla hrs b4, will ya. I felt so bad for the doctor and his assistant. They're really nice. I was thinking of you today as we got off the Parkway Exit 91. I attended the New Jersey Surfing Hall of Fame inductee awards at the Algonquin in Manasquan. Was cool to experience the pure stoke and energy of New Jersey surfing tonight. And even cooler seeing everyone I know there. Lotta smiling faces. 🤩

Quality CBD oil has been a game changer.  As a pain management device it seems to work wonders.
You've still haven't gotten to the surf here yet so you stop now.
Thanx, J. Interesting about the CBD oil. I've had CBD gummies and tincture b4. Curious for more details from you.
And I'm not understanding that last sentence?
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfinJ on May 31, 2019, 10:03:13 PM
Typo- you can't stop surfing yet as your surf career is not complete.

Her description of the oil’s effect it that it changes her perception of the pain.
What she has is chronic and operating has dubious and low odd results. Now on the oil she mentally processes the pain in a different way that makes it more acceptable.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: PonoBill on May 31, 2019, 10:30:46 PM
A. Fuck the thoughts and prayers. Sorry Zoo, but yeah, fuck that.

B. You are unlikely to find a really good PT, but if you can, show them all your pics and ask them if they think they can help. Yeah, you probably have arthritis, but you also have muscles that are pulling your joints together. Me too. Serious PT might be able to get some gap in that joint. The good news is that it's still round. You don't have any corners and bumps there. Docs want to cut, and they know what they are doing, but that's all they do. a REALLY good PT might give you a few years with minimal pain. I'd send you to Shantelle Pierce in Maui, but you'd have to go to Maui. I call her the Princess of Pain, but she really knows her shit. You'd have to go to Maui, but hey, you'd be in Maui. This is Shantelle. Could be worse. I could be sending you to Fred.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11745530_709904365780869_1398032788842469309_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQl6x4C_jlxSI8Kmf69ZgkIAm8fpyqLhovlOVlrkqFp0OcMT89jwof8qFhYPEpRULSo&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=619ff7e690f80f4934d4a13b41e1b9be&oe=5D8B224F)

C. If all else fails you need the best guy you can find. Nalu is absolutely, positively correct, wherever you find them, the guy you want is the best in the biz. I know one here in Portland, but there has to be the guy on the east coast that the doctors would go to--and that's who you have to ask. The more docs you ask, the better. My shoulder guy has the WORST patient relationships in the biz, and is the most respected and feared by the docs. The patients don't know squat. they want the guy that smiles and talks nice. Fuck him. You want the guy that the docs would choose for themselves. My guy is a renowned asshole--mean as a snake, and I love him. My worst shoulder is now my best shoulder. 4.5 hours of surgery--everything was torn and screwed. Fastest recovery and best results ever. If you want B-team results, get the guy with best bedside manner that all the patients love. You're an athlete--you need the good guy. You ain't getting on the tour bus. you need to be back 100 percent.

4. PT. Do it all, and then some. It's the most important thing. Most people do a little PT and then quit, and their joint freezes, leaving them with minimal mobility and constant pain. pay the pain up front. Do all the exercises, ten times more than they say. Maybe twenty. And do them ten times longer. Maybe never stop.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: PonoBill on May 31, 2019, 11:32:23 PM
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Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on June 01, 2019, 08:17:13 PM
That's some solid advice, Pono. The doctor I'm seeing now is non-operative. He is a sports doctor though. His associate is the surgeon and is really good. I know a coupla surfers here that have had hip replacements by him. Rothman Institute is where I'm going now. First time I read the shoulder replacement webpage I cringed big time. Nice doctor you have over there btw!
https://rothmanortho.com/specialties/treatments/shoulder-replacement-surgery

Nutini and Tjoumakaris are who I've been seeing.

https://rothmanortho.com/physicians/dennis-neil-nutini-md

https://rothmanortho.com/physicians/fotios-p-tjoumakaris-md

Typo- you can't stop surfing yet as your surf career is not complete.
Right on! What CBD is your wife taking? Sounds like she's in a lot of pain. I am that's for sure.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: eastbound on June 02, 2019, 03:37:21 AM
shoulders suck badly when trying to sleep---they hurt when you shift even slightly, let a lone cough or have to move in a big way---then the annoying pain wakes you

try some actual weed before bed, if you dare---tiny amounts at first, as you dont want to overreact and get all anxious

smoke a bit late, right before bed, read for a bit, and sleep like a baby for a change

might be worth a try--works for me--unlikely to cause any harm if you are careful with gradual dosing

and watch the depression, cookie---youre a lifelong athlete with your passion confiscated for the time being--shit can seem overwhelming when key things go wrong==dont let this one issue color all else--enjoy the rest (family, music, friends blah blah) while youre waiting to get your passion back--in fact, post a little music here--always enjoy that part, even if we cant see current surf video outta you

take care---overwhelmed? reach out

Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: APPST_Paddle on June 02, 2019, 03:37:46 AM
CBD oil, but two things that are at least worth a try before you go under the knife:

1. Cut that paddle! Ha, it's just too long for you and instead of using legs/core your shoulders are doing work. That's probably not helping whatever underlying issue you have. At least, that's what it looks like from the videos.

2. Try active release therapy, I thought it was bs, and it completely fixed my shoulder issues.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: supnsurf on June 02, 2019, 07:24:06 AM
Hope you recover very soon.    :)
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: PonoBill on June 02, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the xTuf(S) shaft, which is the closest thing to paddle therapy I've found. Definitely get that paddle shorter--no more than six inches over your head. It will feel crappy and powerless at first, but you'll adapt. My shoulders have so many operation scars that you could play tic-tac-toe on them, but paddle technique, shaft choice and length keep them strong (except for lifting stuff overhead) and relatively pain-free. Don't lean forward to reach, bend your knees. Push down with your upper hand while you keep your lower arm straight. Add power by twisting your core and as you near the end of the stroke use your feet and those bent knees to shove forward. Weird finish, a little tricky to master, and it's optional, but it will kick you into waves that you were going to miss. Note that the only pressure you'll putting on your shoulder should be pushing down with the upper hand, which is easy on the joint. If you just sit in your chair and contrast the two movements--pushing down with a straight lower arm and twisting your core vs. pulling with your arms you'll notice a clear difference in shoulder feel. It makes my shoulder hurt just to fake the arm-pulling stroke.

Practice that just a little in flat water until you can get it all together, then try it in a wave--easy money to catch waves with that technique, and you don't have to paddle so hard.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on June 02, 2019, 09:01:09 AM
Try some weed before bed, if you dare---tiny amounts at first. Watch the depression. enjoy family, music, friends. Post a little music here. Take care---overwhelmed? reach out
Thanx, eastie. I did try the weed thing but vaped it. Doesn't help a whole lot w/the pain. I think edibles might be more effective. Not like we have access to it here in NJ. Well, not easily anyways.
My mindset to avoid bummin' out (aka as depression) has been exactly what you suggested.

CBD oil, but two things that are at least worth a try before you go under the knife:
1. Cut that paddle! That's probably not helping whatever underlying issue you have. 
2. Try active release therapy, I thought it was bs, and it completely fixed my shoulder issues.

Thanx, APPST. I know that Rivie camo is too long. And I so remember you telling my that a while ago. I left that one home for my CA trip this past winter and took my Kialoa Methane. Which is WAY more surf friendly. I pretty much relegated the camo paddle to flat water/inlet crossings. But I wanted to try the camo out that last sesh to test the Bean repair. Held strong. btw- That Rivie camo paddle feels like a 2x4 compared to the sleekness of the Methane.
And thanx for the release therapy suggestion. Never heard of it. Wonder if it's effective in advanced arthritis cases.

Hope you recover very soon.    :)
Thanx, supnsurf. I hope so too!

Get that paddle shorter--no more than six inches over your head. 
Actually the Rivie camo paddle is an inch shorter than me. But it still feels too long and cumbersome. The round shaft and not-so-user-friendly blade shape has a lot to do w/it. I'll check out that body torque technique next time out. But it might be a while.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Wetstuff on June 03, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
I thought I posted a 'sorry to hear' earlier  ...but, 'Sorry to hear', Marc.  Nightwing had shoulder surgery and posted about it ...some nuggets there likely.  I am not convinced of the palliative effects of Weed/oils.  I lined up with every junkie in MD to get a 'license to toke'.  (the state now has photos, addresses, and signatures of the bulk of the 'users' in this state...  D'uh?!)

Anyway, I normally sleep pretty well - thru pain. I only 'use' at night, so I cannot tell if it really makes much difference. My grandson played water polo with a kid in CA who swam in Rio.  This kid swears by a 50/50 tincture he rubs on specific pain sites.

Be careful with Gummies - they're easy, candy, but lotsa people go ..."Well?!" ..' pop another.  I gather impatient youngsters become inpatient admits ...when the c'hit kicks in.  A vape pen you can feel in a very short period, the edibles take as long as a half-hour and are usually low-dose.

If you are 'suggestible', by all means, get anything ...the more elicit, the better it seems to work.  I think the science still favors one of the forms of Naproxen for basic pain.

Unlike a lot of people welded to chairs at the beach, you're strong, you'll get better.

Jim   
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: supsurf-tw on June 04, 2019, 07:02:13 AM
Bone on bone. I don't think there's much you can do except for replacement. NSAIDS and a training program that strengthens the deltoids and as mentioned a shorter paddle and improved technique. Be wary of those injections.

 Aging is an extreme sport in itself and not for pussies.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: eastbound on June 04, 2019, 07:12:29 AM
 "Aging is an extreme sport in itself and not for pussies."

Phrase of the day!
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: PonoBill on June 04, 2019, 10:17:41 AM
If you are 'suggestible', by all means, get anything ...the more elicit, the better it seems to work.  I think the science still favors one of the forms of Naproxen for basic pain.

Yup, I like CBD for background level, and Aleve for specific pain when I've done something foolish--like a two and a half hour brutal downwinder in ridiculous Columbia River current--not that I'd be so stupid as to do that. Again. Though the wind looks pretty good this morning.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Wetstuff on June 05, 2019, 08:25:19 AM
Marc,  This is an old one, and a bit like it is 'selling' shoulder replacements, but has some insights.

http://podbay.fm/show/1247519960/e/1434639600?autostart=1

Here's a 'surfing' specific podcast.

http://podbay.fm/show/1247519960/e/1515678959?autostart=1


Jim
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on June 05, 2019, 02:06:35 PM
I've taken to biking at least 10 miles a day after whatever landscaping work I had on my plate that day. Recently scored a really nice Cannondale Adventure comfort style road bike specifically for this activity. It gives me (almost) the same feeling of adventure as paddling a sup. Only $300 on Craigslist. Thing is practically brand new. Also I did surf my big sup again the another day for about an hour. Took it real easy and caught a few waist highs. I think OH surf might be way to stressful on the shoulder and not even considering paddling out if it gets big. Was curious as to the effectiveness of sport tape on the shoulder. saw it at CVS and it's worth considering I feel.

Nightwing had shoulder surgery and posted about it
Be careful with Gummies - they're easy, candy, but lotsa people go ..."Well?!" ..' pop another.   I think the science still favors one of the forms of Naproxen for basic pain. Unlike a lot of people welded to chairs at the beach, you're strong, you'll get better.
Thanx, Jim. I'll seek NW's shoulder experience for sure. I listened to both the podcasts you posted. Very interesting. Yea, the gummies are WAY to easy to keep eating. The ones I had were super weak at like 5mg ea. Truthfully four at once didn't even relieve the pain. Naproxen in the form of Aleve always tears into my stomach BIG TIME, but at this point I'm willing to give them another try. Advil ain't doin' sh!t!

Bone on bone. I don't think there's much you can do except for replacement. Be wary of those injections.
Thanx, supsurf. I'm thinking the same exact thing(s).

Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: eastbound on June 05, 2019, 02:21:15 PM
yep, cookie, use those nsaid's gingerly--they are corrosive as hell

i used to call advil vitamin a--big mistake--i got serious stomach pain from them once and havent taken since---pain was scary

keep riding--you need your cardio and general fitness to remain in good order, in case of surgery, and so youre peripherally strong when you go to try out the rehabbed joint again, surgery or not

if surgery is a go? keep the bike and get good guidance re prehab specific to your situation--and be religious--so much of the result will relate to the condition youre in when you get cut

if you get cut--hope you can feel better and get back in the ocean without--but youll have to do what will work

and, dude, after you get through this, really sort out what specific paddle technique will prevent future issues, and pay up if your paddles aint optimal for your shoulder

good luck--hang in there--ocean aint going anywhere--youll be back
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Wetstuff on June 05, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
Careful with that saddle, Marc  ...you'll develop ladies' butt.  I wish I had (took) more time; I have a 7 mi loop with no traffic at home. A ride is a nice break from the noise.

Jim
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: lopezwill on June 05, 2019, 06:49:18 PM


  Hate hearing about the pain your going through.  You got some good advice here.  I had rotator cuff surgery 3 years ago after a nasty sup surfing wipe out.  Heres the good news...if you have to have some type of surgery to fix this thing you will be down for a while but you will be back!  I was out of the water for about 9 months. 

  I bought a craigslist stationary bike and rode that thing practically everyday while in rehabilitation.  I don't know if you read music but I took up the chromatic harmonica and taught myself how to read music while I was down all those months.  You'll find something...maybe photography, more music or a similar hobby to keep you busy.

Please keep posting here.  We all really enjoy your videos and photos.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Scallop on June 06, 2019, 09:56:20 AM
That stinks...

All I can say is good luck and don't wait too long. You put it off and work around it and it may just get worse over time anyway. My father in law needs both knees replaced, has for years but put it off and now is too old and scared at his age to go under the knife and can barely get around.

Bikes are good therapy though and you can rocket down the causeway! We used to do that all the time as kids there.

Wish you well..
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Wetstuff on June 06, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
Here you go, Marc.  ...' may as well start to learn 'what they know'.  This is a pretty good resource for many basics.

https://thecurbsiders.com/podcast/124-the-shoulder-simplify-your-approach


Jim
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: RideTheGlide on June 06, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
Here you go, Marc.  ...' may as well start to learn 'what they know'.  This is a pretty good resource for many basics.

https://thecurbsiders.com/podcast/124-the-shoulder-simplify-your-approach


Jim
Interesting that labral tears are not mentioned. I have had that in both shoulders. I also had a badly torn rotator cuff on one. Both had bone spurs, scar tissue and "loose matter". Both were scoped and are in better shape now. I got the shots a number of times over the course of many years; that's a short term fix that can weaken tendons over time.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on June 06, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
Well I surfed the big sup again today, for only an hour as the shoulder was starting to stress. The waves were pretty strong for summer type windswell. Felt good to get in even if the water was 55F.

use those nsaid's gingerly--they are corrosive as hell
Keep riding, so youre peripherally strong when you go to try out the rehabbed joint again, surgery or not.
Get good guidance re prehab specific to your situation--and be religious.
If you get cut--hope you can feel better and get back in the ocean without--but youll have to do what will work.
Really sort out what specific paddle technique will prevent future issues, and pay up if your paddles aint optimal for your shoulder.
Hang in there--ocean aint going anywhere--you'll be back
eastbound- Solid set of suggestions up there. Thanx

A ride is a nice break from the noise.  may as well start to learn 'what they know'.  This is a pretty good resource for many basics.
https://thecurbsiders.com/podcast/124-the-shoulder-simplify-your-approach
Wetstuff- True that, I ride in a wildlife reserve close to my home. It's so peaceful back there away from the traffic. Spied a snapper turtle back there laying it's eggs the other day. I'll have to check out that link.

I don't know if you read music but I took up the chromatic harmonica and taught myself how to read music while I was down all those months. Please keep posting here.  We all really enjoy your videos and photos.
Thanx, lopezwill. I do read music and play everyday to keep my chops in tact. That's super cool you taught yourself to read music. Chromatic harmonica too! That's amazing. One of my favorite instruments...Toots Thielman comes to mind. Nice of you to comment about my fotos and video.

Bikes are good therapy though and you can rocket down the causeway! We used to do that all the time as kids there.
Wow, Scallop! You have LBI roots?!

I got the shots a number of times over the course of many years; that's a short term fix that can weaken tendons over time.
Good to know. This will be my second cortisone shot in the right shoulder. First one was in 2008.





Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: Scallop on June 07, 2019, 12:02:26 PM

<<Quote from: Scallop on June 06, 2019, 09:56:20 AM
Bikes are good therapy though and you can rocket down the causeway! We used to do that all the time as kids there.
Wow, Scallop! You have LBI roots?!>>>>

Lookin good, even with a bad wing....

Heck yeah, I could go on for hours about the awesomeness of growing up there. Even before we moved there permanently we would come over every weekend from just over on the PA side of the Burlington Bristol Bridge in the warmer months. Fish for fluke on the Barnegate Light bay beach all day, camp in the station wagon on the causeway catching crabs all night. Dad would save up and we would rent a house on the beach block in Surf City for a week every summer for his vacation.

Grandparents moved to Ship Bottom in '73, lived in a 45 foot Garvey that was put up on blocks and turned into a house in the 50's. We moved there permanently in '74 to Manahawkin in the "new section" of Beach Haven West at the time.

Graduate of Southern Regional HS '83, Stockton State '88.

Hell I practically grew up on the bay. I had a commercial clammers license at 12 years old piloting my own skiff solo on the bay. Paid for my first car, a couple of boat upgrades, and 2 years of college.

Like I said could go on forever....

Oh and a buddy and I once shot the causeway on junk a** tandem bike, rattling rusty fenders, coaster brake and all.

Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: RideTheGlide on June 07, 2019, 03:38:46 PM
I got the shots a number of times over the course of many years; that's a short term fix that can weaken tendons over time.
Good to know. This will be my second cortisone shot in the right shoulder. First one was in 2008.

I had ~5 shots to each shoulder over the course of 30 years or so. The last time I asked about it the doc suspected a tear and told me if I got another shot I was risking making it tear more easily and making any future repair fragile. I got an MRI that confirmed the tear and had it repaired. I have had the back shots twice about 5 or 6 years apart. They use imaging to give me 4 shots at the corners of S5 as the discs on either side of it are herniated and there is narrowing (spinal stenosis) that squeezes the cord a bit. I am doing exercise to keep the muscles around that area in good shape hoping to avoid more shots.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on June 08, 2019, 07:10:32 PM
I had ~5 shots to each shoulder over the course of 30 years or so.
That's alotta shootin'! Definitely apprehensive w/a touch of anxiety in there for good measure! You have the best user name, Glide! Well second to Creek that is!  :P
Thought you might like to check out some of our local scenery.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gLlmJa5qWXg2FJ6tSFGTkbMXx1EeptxR

Lookin good, even with a bad wing....Graduate of Southern Regional HS '83, Stockton State '88.

lol, thanx, Scallop. Funny, after 3 months out of the water I felt I was really losing touch w/my surfing ability. Sure felt good to reassure myself by catchin' a couple. But my shoulder is kinda payin' for it now.
I also went to Southern, but only for a coupla yrs. So I guess I'm part local LBI. Impressive Jersey roots you have. I recently attended the NJ surfing Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Manasquan. Some serious NJ stoke that night.

Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: burchas on June 08, 2019, 07:48:25 PM
Well I surfed the big sup again today, for only an hour as the shoulder was starting to stress. The waves were pretty strong for summer type windswell. Felt good to get in even if the water was 55F.

Nice to see you're back to your shenanigans ;) even if for a short while.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: surfercook on June 13, 2019, 01:27:02 PM
Nice to see you're back to your shenanigans ;) even if for a short while.
lol..thanx, burch. Did feel good.

Hit it again on 6-11. Definitely the best post shoulder injury sesh so far. Caught a bunch in the allotted hr that my shoulder allows b4 stressing. I paddle WAY easier using my left arm as the power point. Nice offshores.

Had the sonogram guided cortisone injection today , 6-13. DAMN that hurt! Doctor said it was way tight in there. The pain shot through my body and I got kinda flush. Laid down for 5 mins after that one. Was hoping to surf tomorrow but looks like it's tabled for 48 hrs according doctors orders. He said undue stress would likely cause cortisone flair up and I had been through that agony in 2008. Too bad, forecast looks nice for tomorrow following the little nor-easter we just had.
Fingers crossed this injection will relieve me for a bit. Next appointment is in a month. Doctor said I am a good candidate for shoulder replacement.
Title: Re: Things Ain't What They Used To Be
Post by: supsurf-tw on June 14, 2019, 02:08:50 PM

 . Doctor said I am a good candidate for shoulder replacement.
Good to hear.
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