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Title: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: TallDude on May 15, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Don't have the money to join the GoPro enthusiast? Problem solved. $ 29.99 and has a waterproof case. 1080 is the best it does, but that's fine for YouTube. It has image stabilization and 90 minutes of shooting time. Get one and start posting. The wrist mount with swivel is pretty cool.

It's only $29.99. .............. It's only $29.99.  ................  It's only $29.99.  ..................

https://youtu.be/X7s4tZNwM1k

Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: toolate on May 15, 2019, 05:18:34 PM
Any samples of your own work?
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: TallDude on May 15, 2019, 05:27:50 PM
I have two GoPro Hero's, so I don't need one. I know a number of people who's GoPro Sessions died and they don't make them anymore. This might be a cheap substitute? Good one for the kids who want GoPro's, but will just lose or break them.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: PonoBill on May 15, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
Major league category killer. Anyone who wants to edit 4K is welcome to it.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2019, 12:50:13 AM
Anyone who wants to edit 4K is welcome to it.

What does 4K mean? Is it difficult to edit?
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: supthecreek on May 16, 2019, 03:05:47 AM
4K is not a problem.....
as long as you have a high-end computer and a shit ton of storage space  ;D
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: eastbound on May 16, 2019, 03:44:11 AM
what td said........

i wish i'd bought this for my daughter!

Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: LBsup on May 16, 2019, 03:46:55 AM
Anyone who wants to edit 4K is welcome to it.

What does 4K mean? Is it difficult to edit?
Hi Badger, you may have looked it up already but 4K is the latest resolution above 1080p.  If you were thinking of buying the camera I don’t see it as a problem it does say it supports 1080p and less.  Unless I’m misreading something.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: oceanAddict on May 16, 2019, 03:47:32 AM
I wonder what would be a real-life battery "life"? My Session doesn't survive an hour of winter surfing/paddling.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: PonoBill on May 16, 2019, 04:57:35 AM
Anyone who wants to edit 4K is welcome to it.

What does 4K mean? Is it difficult to edit?

This camera only supports 1080p resolution, which isn't the current highest quality standard, but the more advanced 4K makes for huge files and slow editing unless you have a very fast computer and solid state disk big enough to hold the files.

They're stealing a march on GoPro by returning to GoPros roots--with a cheap but adequate camera in a waterproof case, for a fraction of the price of a GoPro.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Admin on May 16, 2019, 05:19:43 AM
This is the one to watch.  DJI guys are wizards.

https://www.dji.com/osmo-action
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Night Wing on May 16, 2019, 05:35:17 AM
This is the one to watch.  DJI guys are wizards.

https://www.dji.com/osmo-action

Many boards have a GoPro mount built into it so one can attach a GoPro camera. I went all over that site to see if I could find if this camera could be attached into a GoPro Mount. I did not find any info on this.

When I looked at the young woman underwater on her surfboard, in a segment of the sample video, I noticed this camera looked like it was being held in place onto the top of the board by a flat suction (cup?) type of device. If this is the case, then this is an automatic deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Admin on May 16, 2019, 05:55:20 AM
This is the one to watch.  DJI guys are wizards.

https://www.dji.com/osmo-action

Many boards have a GoPro mount built into it so one can attach a GoPro camera. I went all over that site to see if I could find if this camera could be attached into a GoPro Mount. I did not find any info on this.

When I looked at the young woman underwater on her surfboard, in a segment of the sample video, I noticed this camera looked like it was being held in place onto the top of the board by a flat suction (cup?) type of device. If this is the case, then this is an automatic deal breaker for me.

That looks to be their curved adhesive mount.  https://store.dji.com/product/osmo-action-adhesive-mount-kit

(https://product1.djicdn.com/uploads/photos/36321/large_9cbce6e3-953f-46e5-a80a-191531f0593a.jpg)

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/Amc9QmbXVpjLbWggxAtmFC-2560-80.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: WhatsSUP on May 16, 2019, 05:58:27 AM
I know that Soloshot 3's are a bit pricey but considering the money we pay for boards, paddles, wetsuits, etc., the product one can obtain can not be out done (a side from maybe a drone).....

I've got soooooo many hours of video that I've used as a training tool which has been invaluable  - and lot's of still images which are easily captured and exported.  I've framed several 8"x10" shots and even blew up one image (below) to a 3'x4' poster (and built a frame from home depot molding for less than 10 bucks.  SOOOOOO worth the Soloshot!   

(Oh, as far as performance): Early on I had a minor tracking problem for one or two sessions but I've had probably somewhere between 50-100 sessions with nary a problem (and all on Water/tight setting).  I did all the software updates as they were released too...hasn't been any for months now).  Works like a dream!

Do yourself a favor!!!  You won't regret it!!!!

apologies for the diverge...  ;) 
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2019, 06:23:12 AM

Many boards have a GoPro mount built into it so one can attach a GoPro camera. I went all over that site to see if I could find if this camera could be attached into a GoPro Mount. I did not find any info on this.

When I looked at the young woman underwater on her surfboard, in a segment of the sample video, I noticed this camera looked like it was being held in place onto the top of the board by a flat suction (cup?) type of device. If this is the case, then this is an automatic deal breaker for me.


Board, body and paddle mounted surfing videos are often very boring when used for wave riding and/or selfies. I think most people have figured this out and that's why we don't see many of these types of videos posted on the forum any more. Up until a few years ago they were very common.

The best way to use a goPro type camera is to take video of other surfers with the camera mounted on your wrist.




Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: eastbound on May 16, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
yep--not so into first person--kook cam is ok--the rest make me car sick

and gopro stock, as predicted here on the zone long ago, by me and others, has been relegated to the shitter

traded 87 in 2014--been single digits since 3Q 2016---trades 7 bux now

dji, otoh, is an amazing company---privately held, chinese
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: burchas on May 16, 2019, 07:34:33 AM
This is the one to watch.  DJI guys are wizards.

https://www.dji.com/osmo-action

Many boards have a GoPro mount built into it so one can attach a GoPro camera. I went all over that site to see if I could find if this camera could be attached into a GoPro Mount. I did not find any info on this.

When I looked at the young woman underwater on her surfboard, in a segment of the sample video, I noticed this camera looked like it was being held in place onto the top of the board by a flat suction (cup?) type of device. If this is the case, then this is an automatic deal breaker for me.

It uses the same GoPro mount style. It's included in the box.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: SaMoSUP on May 16, 2019, 08:05:46 AM
With standard POV cams you end up with about 1 minute of good footage for every 30 minutes shot. This Rylo 360 cam is the way to go now...

https://vimeo.com/305103735

Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Night Wing on May 16, 2019, 08:19:40 AM


Many boards have a GoPro mount built into it so one can attach a GoPro camera. I went all over that site to see if I could find if this camera could be attached into a GoPro Mount. I did not find any info on this.

When I looked at the young woman underwater on her surfboard, in a segment of the sample video, I noticed this camera looked like it was being held in place onto the top of the board by a flat suction (cup?) type of device. If this is the case, then this is an automatic deal breaker for me.

It uses the same GoPro mount style. It's included in the box.

Thank you very much for the updated info. It is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: LBsup on May 16, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
I know that Soloshot 3's are a bit pricey but considering the money we pay for boards, paddles, wetsuits, etc., the product one can obtain can not be out done (a side from maybe a drone).....

I've got soooooo many hours of video that I've used as a training tool which has been invaluable  - and lot's of still images which are easily captured and exported.  I've framed several 8"x10" shots and even blew up one image (below) to a 3'x4' poster (and built a frame from home depot molding for less than 10 bucks.  SOOOOOO worth the Soloshot!   

(Oh, as far as performance): Early on I had a minor tracking problem for one or two sessions but I've had probably somewhere between 50-100 sessions with nary a problem (and all on Water/tight setting).  I did all the software updates as they were released too...hasn't been any for months now).  Works like a dream!

Do yourself a favor!!!  You won't regret it!!!!

apologies for the diverge...  ;)
I’ve used the GoPro front mounted on the board and also on the paddle handle, cool but the paddle handle gets viewers sea sick and can get old.  I was fortunate to purchase a refurbished Soloshot 25 for $299 and it works pretty good.  I probably post too much of my videos but I personally do like to watch and break down my style.  I thought I was better than my videos show and the waves don’t look as critical or big as the video presents but oh well.  I still think a Soloshot camera is the best view imo.  Probably a combination of the GoPro and Soloshot is cool too.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: TallDude on May 16, 2019, 05:12:39 PM
My best surfing shots are from a professional photographer who is at SanO occasionally. It I'll cost me $50 ea session, but they are incredibly sharp and zoomed in. He shots video too if you want it. I have footage from when SurferCook let me wear a tag with his SoloShot. It's really good, but sketchy to use at most SoCal beaches. Someone will either steal it or damage it for no reason.

Can't use a SoloShot for Open water paddling of any kind, fishing, mountain biking or skiing or hiking or snorkeling or surfing outer reefs. If all you can do is beach breaks, then it's less worth it. Good training tool. I like drone video as well. They have waterproof, floating drones that have follow me that I'm also interested in. https://www.wellbots.com/swellpro-spry-waterproof-drone/?dfw_tracker=14110-2664&gclid=CjwKCAjwlPTmBRBoEiwAHqpvhVZljZeWuOsHUnkWNGVOcNN97EUjySstwTArZ7vaLs_OJzAqshUM8xoCrYoQAvD_BwE
I would probably get one of these rather than a SoloShot. Even more uses for my business. Write off!

These little Polaroid cubes are almost disposable. I might get a couple to give to my kids for their summer activities and their social media crap.   
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: surfcowboy on May 16, 2019, 08:13:07 PM
It was asked so I’ll answer.

720, 1080 and 2K and 4K are all frame sizes. This refers to the number of pixels in the image. Weirdly, 720 and 1808 refer to the height while 2 and 4K refer to the width. Good times.

4K is gigantic compared to 1080, more data captured means more data you have to playback while editing. However, it’s pretty great for cropping to frame shots after the fact and you can use image stabilization without losing any video if you downrez to 1080 from a 4K master. Big digital cinema cameras shoot 8K now so you can sort of choose your shot in editing.

For 99% of screens and 100% of the mess we all shoot, even 1080 is probably overkill. ;). That Polaroid is amazing for the price. Thx for that.

https://www.lifewire.com/4k-resolution-overview-and-perspective-1846842
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2019, 05:18:02 AM
Thanks cowboy, that was very helpful. Now I understand.   8)
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: PonoBill on May 17, 2019, 06:59:22 AM
Cowboys response gave me an epiphany--image stabilization is just a matter of having enough pixels and enough processing power to redefine the frame as each frame is displayed. Maybe that's obvious to everyone, but it was a little revelation to me.
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: eastbound on May 17, 2019, 08:02:24 AM
the digitization of photographic image is truly incredible---incl that image stabilization is handled digitally, via algorithmic manipulation

i am astounded by something as simple as seeing a cursor move across a screen real-time, as i move the mouse---the processing and software required for that alone continually impresses me--and that aint nutting compared to digital image stabilization.........
Title: Re: Cheap tiny POV HD for everyone...
Post by: surfcowboy on May 17, 2019, 07:36:27 PM
Pono, 100%. In some cameras they lower the res when stabilization is on. The big boys just shoot way bigger sensors.

Eastbound, it’s true. When I started HD was not quite in the market. The first cameras I saw that shot 1080 were over $100,000. Now we’re tossing them in our pockets for $30.
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