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Stand Up Paddle => SUP General => Topic started by: Wetstuff on May 06, 2019, 06:35:10 AM
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First, I have to say that Robert Stehlik, from 3,000mi away, seems like one of the nicer people on the planet and a big boost for our sport. He's a 'contributor' not just someone branding off his 'legend'. Having said; the very first wave in a Foil video of his was taken by both a sup-surfer and a foiler. I almost immediately thought; 'The surfer is having a better time!' The foiler looks to me like the 2019 version of 'going straight'.
When his ride was over, I thought - 'How the fuc is he getting back out all that way?!' I cannon imagine paddling that stubby little shape thru whitewater ..with the additional drag the foil may add ...that distance? I'd need to be an Olympic athlete to have that stamina.
I had to keep watching because it is such a beautiful break, but then I saw 'me' at exactly 6:28. More power to you guys - good luck.
Jim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C1-o8xa_MI
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So that was you on the foil falling at 6:28? That looked dangerously close to colliding with the foil Yikes!
Beautiful spot.
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i agree the SUP surfer looks like he's ripping it up more, but as a kite foiler, there's just something about floating 'above' the wave that makes it fun even though you may just be going straight. i'll still take a great day on my surfboard kiting in bigger waves, or regular SUP surfing in some bigger waves, but how can anyone argue with the foil rides this guy is getting out there? looks awesome. anyone know where that is? (or is it a'secret spot?)
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Well OK, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup guy to this...
https://youtu.be/1doug0ZGI_s?t=301 (warning: turn the volume off if foul-worded lyrics aren't your thing)
...kinda silly, huh?
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I windsurfed for 10+ years before I took up surfing.
"Why would I want to catch a wave and ride for 20 seconds vs. planing non-stop in 25 knots of wind for 2 hours?" I used to ask myself.
Because surfing is so much fun. That is why.
Foiling, even going straight, is that much fun.
The foil math is 2X - 1. Take the size of the wave and multiply by 2 then subtract 1 ft. A 5ft wave therefore feels like a 9 foot wave.
Because foiling is so fast there is less slashy turning, unless you are on slow, small waves. Very much like big wave surfing. You go fast and don't turn (as much) but it is a total rush. As you get better you do HAVE to turn because you are outrunning the wave covering more water than possible on a surfboard. When I see surfers now I feel sorry for them being so glued to the whitewater. They can't escape.
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I actually understand... When I was kiting I'd look at all those Euros that came from Wash DC doing nothing but going back-forth, chattering on flat water with their sailboards. (like some foods—I tried and did not like it) C'hit, with a kite I could race along like a demon ...and FLY! There is clearly a different, elating sensation coming off the water.
No, LB. That just looks like how I imagine I would look. This clumsy, old fuc would get the hatchet the first time out ...after suffering tachycardia just getting outside. Cheers.
Jim
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Well OK, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup guy to this...
https://youtu.be/1doug0ZGI_s?t=301 (warning: turn the volume off if foul-worded lyrics aren't your thing)
...kinda silly, huh?
Well actually, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup foiling guy to this...
https://youtu.be/2ZZg1id9Rwk?t=50
...using Zane as an example is really...really silly, huh?
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Foiling is definitely a different animal. Only a few select pro's can do anything aggressive in the face of a wave on a foil. It is mostly long drawn out turns but at a much higher speed then on a sup. It is still a lot of fun when done on the right equipment, in a foil friendly location. Seems crazy to me that people look for sh*tty small waves to foil when surf is good and firing for sup surfing.
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Well OK, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup guy to this...
https://youtu.be/1doug0ZGI_s?t=301 (warning: turn the volume off if foul-worded lyrics aren't your thing)
...kinda silly, huh?
Well actually, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup foiling guy to this...
https://youtu.be/2ZZg1id9Rwk?t=50
...using Zane as an example is really...really silly, huh?
Yes, my point exactly...we have no idea who the foiler and/or the sup guy are in the original video, nor their respective talents or length of time they've been working on either. It'd be like showing an average skilled foiler doing his thing, and a new(er) surfer just starting out on a sup...thus the "apples and oranges" comment.
How about a non-pro with a couple years on a foil carving, pumping, and jumping on a barely "surfable" wave might be a better comparison maybe?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmtDKhIFXyd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
But as you correctly state, "Foiling is definitely a different animal"....and a pretty fun one at that. :D
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Dear god really....you picked Mike Murphy, the guy who invented the airchair. He has probably more time on a foil than anyone else alive. ...ha...ha...ha....classic.
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Dear god really....you picked Mike Murphy, the guy who invented the airchair. He has probably more time on a foil than anyone else alive. ...ha...ha...ha....classic.
Hahaha...not Mike Murphy, but close. ;) ;D
EDIT: OK, so how about this complete foil rookie (couple months experience at the time) from about 10 months, 3 boards, and two foils ago? :)
https://i.imgur.com/qJ8fGx3.gifv
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He looks like he is having fun, those are some nice turns.
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Robert and the BP crew rocks!
that place is foil heaven ;)
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Robert and the BP crew rocks!
that place is foil heaven ;)
Yup. My buddy just ordered a 6'6" Easy Foiler so I can ride it and decide if I want one too... LOL.
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My first impression of foil surfing was that it was lame--almost as lame as kite foiling looks--a bunch of kiters tiptoeing around instead of slashing and jumping. I wanted to do it so I could get to downwind foiling, which did not look lame at all. Then I started doing it and felt like a kid again. Nope, no slashing the tops off waves. For that matter, any cutback that I wobble through without overfoiling is a big victory. But I'd rather do it than SUP surf any day. It's a lot more than apples and oranges. It's apples and Messerschmitts.
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Jim, do you still kite? Kite foil?
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No, Dwight, nada mas... At around 71-72, I was experiencing diminished executive functions. I was starting to lose the ability to make appropriate corrections quickly enough (delayed processing or simple confusion..both?), finding myself in the C'hit too often. I was lucky to put a kite in a tree to save myself from one of those episodes you and I read about in the kite forum in the early 2000s. I sold off everything.
I am still working. I have been a contractor to DeHavilland Aircraft in Canada since the mid-'70s and fiddle around 7-days making other useless notions. Nice to see you have been able to retire down in the area I would have picked. I bought 'the motorhome' but—it's become another 'project'. Life goes on ...'till. Cheers.
Jim
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Well OK, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup guy to this...
https://youtu.be/1doug0ZGI_s?t=301 (warning: turn the volume off if foul-worded lyrics aren't your thing)
...kinda silly, huh?
you guys are killing me. I just started sup surfing, and then this comes along. Luckily I can't afford to foil sup.....yet
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Bummer Jim. I see foiling as the old persons salvation. I encourage all my retired friends to get into it before we loose any more of our coordination. Because long term, it will enable all of us to windsurf, kitesurf, and surf longer as our hips and knees fail us.
I already avoid windsurfing and kitesurfing in high winds because my hip is going bad. I prefer riding on air with a foil.
We have a 76 year old foiler here. Many more are planning to join the riding on air crew. Getting beaten up by chop is not longer acceptable.
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Bummer Jim. I see foiling as the old persons salvation. I encourage all my retired friends to get into it before we loose any more of our coordination. Because long term, it will enable all of us to windsurf, kitesurf, and surf longer as our hips and knees fail us.
I already avoid windsurfing and kitesurfing in high winds because my hip is going bad. I prefer riding on air with a foil.
We have a 76 year old foiler here. Many more are planning to join the riding on air crew. Getting beaten up by chop is not longer acceptable.
So has foiling gotten easier to learn with recent technology? I was under the impression it was extremely difficult to learn but to read 76 year olds are taking it up is amazing to me!
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Well OK, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup guy to this...
https://youtu.be/1doug0ZGI_s?t=301 (warning: turn the volume off if foul-worded lyrics aren't your thing)
...kinda silly, huh?
you guys are killing me. I just started sup surfing, and then this comes along. Luckily I can't afford to foil sup.....yet
As was pointed out - which I agree with - that is not your typical sup foiler there, and there's only a very slight few doing those kinds of thing on them.
But that also doesn't mean that the rest of the sup foil world are just "going straight" - as was implied by the OP - just because one guy in one video (titled "Foiling 500-1000M Waves" no less) is going straight for, yes...500-1000M just like the title. ::)
If ya just started sup surfing, you've got plenty of fun times trying to get the most out of your new found sport, but after a few years when you get bummed because there's days in the years that the waves aren't conducive to suping...you might think about throwing a foil on the bottom of that board, and be amazed at just how fun, and how many more waves you can catch that used to be "unrideable".
Once you get the hang of it, and can do more than just "going straight" when you want to...I think you'll really think it to be a great investment for more time on the water in conditions that would otherwise have you sitting on the beach bitchin' about them. :D
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So has foiling gotten easier to learn with recent technology? I was under the impression it was extremely difficult to learn but to read 76 year olds are taking it up is amazing to me!
If you windsurf, then yes. The newest boards and foils make it super easy. Slingshot is killing it with boards and foils for recreational foiling.
Kite foiling has become easier too, with the shift to surf foils for learning.
Wake foiling is going big too. The world champion wake surfer was at our last surf comp killing it on a foil against the best surf foilers. I had an order for a foil board from a 70 year old guy who was into wake foiling and doing flips. He had straps put on it.
Learning without access to the above certainly makes it harder to get over the hump.
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Dammit I don't need another fucking watersport obsession.Definitely about to get another fucking water sport obsession
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All this stupid talk about foiling made me take out the foil today, thanks guys.... :o. I moved the whole fuselage forward about 3/4 of an inch (mine's a custom fuselage that's been cnc out with multiple mounting holes). I also tried a new spot with a crumbling weakass wave, similar to Sano's Dog Patch. It was one of my better foiling sessions but honestly I would have rather been on my Whopper. The longboarders were having way more fun on the set waves while I just rode straight trying to keep my balance. I was able to catch one wave and ride it down the line instead of just going straight in the mushie white wash. It still felt kinda boring compared to sup surfing...meh.
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Old Guys Foiling!
:o
Here is a Northern California local 62 year old CRUSHING it on the foil. And despite all the love he recently got for Foiling Cowells this video will reassure him keeping his distance.
Even makes you wonder "Where is Everybody?"
https://youtu.be/X65qdSa09gI
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I think I was about 6 months in before I got to the point where I felt like I was having more fun than I was surfing.
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this foil obsession is either you like it or hate it.
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Old Guys Foiling!
:o
Here is a Northern California local 62 year old CRUSHING it on the foil. And despite all the love he recently got for Foiling Cowells this video will reassure him keeping his distance.
Even makes you wonder "Where is Everybody?"
https://youtu.be/X65qdSa09gI
he's rockin Beasho, what a ride and I feel like I was in there but not at he's level :D
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Jeff is so recognizable out there with him always just carrying his paddle in the right hand it's almost funny. He and Clay were already out in the water at Sano last week when a couple of pulled up to park, and someone inquired who was already out there...as soon as he took off, and immediately abandoned the use of his paddle once again, almost in unison a couple of us said, "well there's Jeff Clark". :)
Them are some big sets rolling through there, and I'm always amazed at how youse guys manage to fit such big pelotas in them tight wetsuits before you head out to them. :o ;D Not sure I'd have the balls to even paddle out, much less attempt to paddle into some of big ass ones seen out there. Kudos to all of you...stay safe though.
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Old Guys Foiling!
Here is a Northern California local 62 year old CRUSHING it on the foil.
Jeff has great foiling style. Possibly because of his age there is much less pumping and a lot more of that smooth gliding that makes the foil look advantageous. These waves clearly have plenty of power to help with that but even so he is gliding through the slow sections and positioning to stay flying. Very cool.
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Well OK, if comparing apples to oranges is the point of the thread, compare a sup guy to this...
https://youtu.be/1doug0ZGI_s?t=301 (warning: turn the volume off if foul-worded lyrics aren't your thing)
...kinda silly, huh?
you guys are killing me. I just started sup surfing, and then this comes along. Luckily I can't afford to foil sup.....yet
As was pointed out - which I agree with - that is not your typical sup foiler there, and there's only a very slight few doing those kinds of thing on them.
But that also doesn't mean that the rest of the sup foil world are just "going straight" - as was implied by the OP - just because one guy in one video (titled "Foiling 500-1000M Waves" no less) is going straight for, yes...500-1000M just like the title. ::)
If ya just started sup surfing, you've got plenty of fun times trying to get the most out of your new found sport, but after a few years when you get bummed because there's days in the years that the waves aren't conducive to suping...you might think about throwing a foil on the bottom of that board, and be amazed at just how fun, and how many more waves you can catch that used to be "unrideable".
Once you get the hang of it, and can do more than just "going straight" when you want to...I think you'll really think it to be a great investment for more time on the water in conditions that would otherwise have you sitting on the beach bitchin' about them. :D
I am certainly having fun, and on my shore-break east coast situation, I've heard that it isn't ideal conditions for foiling, at least in the waves.
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I'm going to talk about this in an upcoming video but...
So I've been foiling exclusively for almost a year. The first several sessions involved a lot of crashes and a handful of relatively minor injuries (cracked ribs, lost toenails, tons of bruises) but I loved the learning curve and always left the beach happy. As I got better at foiling, it became more fun and I thought less and less about surfing SUP. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago. I'm in Costa Rica and I've been foiling down there for a week. My buddy and I decide to SUP at an outer reef that is too shallow and hollow for foils. I caught about 6-7 waves in the session. The waves were big and fun and all I wanted was my foil. After a year flying in the air, SUP felt cumbersome. The turning wasn't as exciting, the friction on the water was a drag (pun intended), and the overall experience left me wanting more. Mind you, a year before I surfed the same spot and I was sooooo stoked. But a year of foiling has changed the way I approach riding waves and I have almost zero desire to go back to SUP. Foiling has completely taken over and I really love it.
Your experience may vary, but I'm fully committed to the foil. I can't wait to see where the sport grows from here.
Evan
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Just for the record, that video was shot by our Australian team riders and I'm sorry to say that have not surfed this amazing spot. I have to admit that the SUP surfer in the beginning is ripping while Nathan Cross, the featured foiler in this video is just going down the line. In Nathan's defense, he has not been foiling for very long when this was shot, so I think he was happy to just make the wave. Carving is pretty awesome on a foil but when you are starting out, just going straight is a handful and the smooth speed feels amazing.
This is a short video of our young teamrider Zane Saenz who has been foiling for less than a year and just got a new 3'8" prone board. He rarely goes in a straight line:
https://youtu.be/uXyIIIsRf-Y
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that kid can turn BP 8)
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going straight on a foil is not the same feeling as going straight on normal board. When you get locked in flying down the line, the speed is quite exhilarating
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going straight on a foil is not the same feeling as going straight on normal board. When you get locked in flying down the line, the speed is quite exhilarating
My buddy got his BP Easy Foiler the other day, and we took it out for the first time yesterday afternoon in unbreaking, knee-high rollers, and it was amazing. Only "flying" for a couple of seconds at a time, but what a rush. Easy to catch the wave, and as soon as it lifts, the way everything goes silent, and the acceleration is unreal.
Watching all the videos, was totally prepared for the lift, and setting it right back down as gently as possible, but wasn't ready for the acceleration and speed. I love the small days just riding a race board straight, and this is next level.
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going straight on a foil is not the same feeling as going straight on normal board. When you get locked in flying down the line, the speed is quite exhilarating
My buddy got his BP Easy Foiler the other day, and we took it out for the first time yesterday afternoon in unbreaking, knee-high rollers, and it was amazing. Only "flying" for a couple of seconds at a time, but what a rush. Easy to catch the wave, and as soon as it lifts, the way everything goes silent, and the acceleration is unreal.
Watching all the videos, was totally prepared for the lift, and setting it right back down as gently as possible, but wasn't ready for the acceleration and speed. I love the small days just riding a race board straight, and this is next level.
Awesome, stoked to read this Okiwild.