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Title: Axis 900 wing
Post by: flkiter on April 21, 2019, 04:04:30 PM
Anyone get to try this wing yet? Wondering how it compares with the albatross from signiture foils.
https://live2kite.com/collections/axis-foils/products/s-series-900mm-carbon-front-wing
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Piros on April 22, 2019, 12:51:42 AM
The downwind guys here are all over it fighting for the limited stock. So much more speed than the 1020 plus they are using it in the Surf on the Sups & prone. When you see them pump back out it like it’s in slow motion. Have ridden myself but surfed beside my mate on one definitely a high performer. All available stock instantly sold out. It is quiet different to the Albatross. I grabbed a quick pic of one before it went out of the shop.

Signature & Axis both have a range of rear wings which changes a lot on these high aspect front wings , so very hard to compare the two . I have ridden the Signature Albatross 210 it’s a weapon definitely an advanced foil with incredible performance , if anything the Axis is probably is not so over reactive and a bit tamer. I’m currently running the Signature Sprint rear wing on my NP and loving it , Ivan has some beautiful rear wings under constant R&D.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: flkiter on April 22, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Hey Piros,
Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking forward to getting one.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: MURF37 on April 22, 2019, 07:50:02 PM
I have not had a chance to downwind my 900 yet but I have surfed is in waves ranging from 1ft to 4ft.  The wing is really fast and stable,  it pumps better than the 92cm Axis wing aswell.

I am looking forward to getting out in some wind and swell
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on April 23, 2019, 07:18:45 AM
Interested. Can you guys gives more details on how it reacts for turning : bottom turn, top turn, cutback
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on May 06, 2019, 07:33:59 PM
My firend Eric Terrien tried it on dw, he was amazed by the glide, the speed and the flow of this wing. He said this has nothing to do with the other wing, way better.

He hasn't tried on wave yet. I will let you know when I have more informations.

Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: MURF37 on May 06, 2019, 07:55:16 PM
I should be out on mine this Friday for a 20km downwinder.

I cant wait to try it in open ocean conditions!
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on May 19, 2019, 05:43:18 PM
I should be able to get a demo Axis 900 soon.

Evan from Axis will be in Sano june 2nd with demo foils so come join us for a fun day.

Actually, it will be my last weekend in California before I move back to France so I hope to see all my friends foilers out there.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: steamroller on May 21, 2019, 12:21:20 AM
do you surf with the "coolas"guy on youtube?...i must've watched his foiil.videos 100 times
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: steamroller on May 21, 2019, 12:26:16 AM
https://youtu.be/nDMWkvh0Rag
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on May 21, 2019, 11:32:11 AM
do you surf with the "coolas"guy on youtube?...i must've watched his foiil.videos 100 times

No I don't, I live further north.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: flkiter on September 01, 2019, 09:00:49 PM
Has anyone in the US received the 900 or 1000 wings yet? Been 3 months that I ordered these and still nothing.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on September 15, 2019, 04:35:02 AM
Love the 900 Axis :

https://www.facebook.com/yvesmarie.lefourn/videos/1178313932356582/UzpfSTEwNDY3OTg2NTc6MTAyMTc4NzI4ODM0Njc1MzY/

Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: flkiter on September 15, 2019, 08:15:04 AM
Just got the 900 & 1000 in and so far the 1000 replaced the 102 for me on the sup. Looking forward to getting the 900 on the prone this week. Really happy with the 1000, just need to get the pump rhythm down better.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: supfoo on September 17, 2019, 06:02:27 PM
East Coast is going off rest of the week, you'll be all smiles.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on October 26, 2019, 06:07:21 AM
Just got the ultrashort fuselage, it works really good with the 900, you can turn tighter, really loose but still good control.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: bigmtn on October 26, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
Which fuse were you using before? Stab? This on the 900?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on October 26, 2019, 11:54:22 PM
Which fuse were you using before? Stab? This on the 900?

Short fuselage (which works good) and 400 stab.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 06, 2019, 07:32:11 AM
I just got the 1000 front wing.

I love it for dw, super fast and easy to control.

I tried yesterday on waves, it felt pretty good, doesn't turn as good as the 900 but still really nice for carving and it has more glide, I guess for bigger guy it might be perfect.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4f6LXVoLaP/

https://www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/10218328161529203/?notif_id=1572991455427614&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic

Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Califoilia on November 06, 2019, 09:19:31 AM
Looking good out there Greg!! Hope all's well on the other side of the pond...we're holding the fort down for you at Sano, and saved you a parking spot when you make it back once again.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 06, 2019, 11:48:59 AM
Looking good out there Greg!! Hope all's well on the other side of the pond...we're holding the fort down for you at Sano, and saved you a parking spot when you make it back once again.  ;) ;D

Haha thanks, I can't wait to foil Sano again but I don't know when, this is definetly my favorite place in the world.
But I can't complain, I'm having a good time, I just have to deal with the cold weather 8)
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: JEG on November 06, 2019, 12:19:48 PM
how heavy are you frenchfoiler as I'm about to imbark and getting ideas on my next sup foil board?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 06, 2019, 10:43:14 PM
how heavy are you frenchfoiler as I'm about to imbark and getting ideas on my next sup foil board?

72kg, but wearing a full wetsuit and booties ;)
 I use my own design a 5'5 x 26 -100L
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: fatfish on November 10, 2019, 01:38:47 PM
Greg
Are you running the 900 on your SUP or the 1000?  Would you recommend the 900 for a 75kg intermediate foil supr looking to move on from the GF IWA?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: cnski on November 10, 2019, 02:56:17 PM
Greg- Is the board in the video a Brawner or made in France?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 11, 2019, 09:23:38 AM
Greg
Are you running the 900 on your SUP or the 1000?  Would you recommend the 900 for a 75kg intermediate foil supr looking to move on from the GF IWA?

I use mostly the 900 on sup wave and 1000 for dw. I think the 900 has the same lift as the IWA but it is faster and easier on steep take off. I guess it depends on your board and the wave you foil. For bigger board and small mushy wave I would recommend the 1000. If you use a small light board and  you are experienced the 900 might be what you want. Both of those are really good especially with the ultrashort fus and 400 wing.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 11, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
Greg- Is the board in the video a Brawner or made in France?

This board was made in France. But Brawner will do the same as I'm in charge of the design even being in France.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: cnski on November 11, 2019, 10:04:08 AM
Thanks for the reply Greg. How thick is that board? Looks like a nice, compact and buoyant shape.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: fatfish on November 11, 2019, 10:06:44 AM
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I use mostly the 900 on sup wave and 1000 for dw. I think the 900 has the same lift as the IWA but it is faster and easier on steep take off. I guess it depends on your board and the wave you foil. For bigger board and small mushy wave I would recommend the 1000. If you use a small light board and  you are experienced the 900 might be what you want. Both of those are really good especially with the ultrashort fus and 400 wing.

Thanks Greg, you know the wave I foil at pretty well, your old home Sano.  I have seen a few proners on the 900 and they do pretty well, just didnt know if that was too small for a SUP.  My board is not big but not small, 6'6.  Just looking for a setup that has more adaptability, glide and take advantage of the newer designs.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 11, 2019, 12:31:30 PM
Thanks for the reply Greg. How thick is that board? Looks like a nice, compact and buoyant shape.

Yes it is super compact, 5'5 x 26 x 4.9 - 100L, but it has a concave deck, so the rail are thicker (6'').
This board is super stable, my next one will be narower (x25), I thick the deep double concave gives more stability and tracking while paddling.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 11, 2019, 12:34:21 PM
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I use mostly the 900 on sup wave and 1000 for dw. I think the 900 has the same lift as the IWA but it is faster and easier on steep take off. I guess it depends on your board and the wave you foil. For bigger board and small mushy wave I would recommend the 1000. If you use a small light board and  you are experienced the 900 might be what you want. Both of those are really good especially with the ultrashort fus and 400 wing.

Thanks Greg, you know the wave I foil at pretty well, your old home Sano.  I have seen a few proners on the 900 and they do pretty well, just didnt know if that was too small for a SUP.  My board is not big but not small, 6'6.  Just looking for a setup that has more adaptability, glide and take advantage of the newer designs.

Sano, I dream about it everynight :)
I would say go with the 1000 but with ultrashort fus and 400 rear wing, you will have the speed, the glide and it will turn really good.
You won't be diseapointed ;)
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 18, 2019, 11:11:41 PM
900 with ultrshort fus and 370 stab

https://www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/10218434179419584/

Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on November 24, 2019, 11:12:12 PM
900 with ultrshort fus and 370 stab

https://www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/10218434179419584/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4-vaMZIyWC/
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on January 29, 2020, 03:56:47 AM
Just got the 101 HA front wing & 460 flat stab.

For me it is more a dw foil but I tried on small wave to see how it was.

Easy gradual lift (like most HA wing), amazing glide, easy to pump back out as it stays up longer and hold it at low speed.
Turns ok, I mean you need some space and slow wave but you can do pretty good turns.
At 70 kg I don't need it for surfing (except if I want to connect x10 waves) but for bigger guys especially on a sup it might be a good choice.

Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Admin on January 29, 2020, 04:07:19 AM
Just got the 101 HA front wing & 460 flat stab.

For me it is more a dw foil but I tried on small wave to see how it was.

Easy gradual lift (like most HA wing), amazing glide, easy to pump back out as it stays up longer and hold it at low speed.
Turns ok, I mean you need some space and slow wave but you can do pretty good turns.
At 70 kg I don't need it for surfing (except if I want to connect x10 waves) but for bigger guys especially on a sup it might be a good choice.

Excellent FF!  How would you say it compares with the 1000 and 900 just in terms of push needed to get airborn?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on January 29, 2020, 07:42:43 AM
Just got the 101 HA front wing & 460 flat stab.

For me it is more a dw foil but I tried on small wave to see how it was.

Easy gradual lift (like most HA wing), amazing glide, easy to pump back out as it stays up longer and hold it at low speed.
Turns ok, I mean you need some space and slow wave but you can do pretty good turns.
At 70 kg I don't need it for surfing (except if I want to connect x10 waves) but for bigger guys especially on a sup it might be a good choice.

Excellent FF!  How would you say it compares with the 1000 and 900 just in terms of push needed to get airborn?

You mean dw ?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Admin on January 29, 2020, 09:37:56 AM
Overall, I suppose.  How would you describe the amount lift / ease of takeoff compared to the 900 and 1000?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: PonoBill on January 29, 2020, 12:39:57 PM
I had a 101 wing in my hot little hands for three days but didn't have any wind to try it. I borrowed it from Junya, and when I gave it back to him yesterday at Ka'a he took it out surfing and rode some small bumps all the way to the beach. I kicked myself for not trying it in the surf. I was tempted to go out, but my piece o' shit twenty-year-old Xterra blew a brake line and I needed to work on fixing it. I got to drive from Kapalua, where Diane and our friend Twila were having a little golf staycation, back to Kahalui with just rear brakes. Thank heavens for dual circuit brakes. This is the second time it's lost a brake line, the first time was the rear brakes, this time the front brakes, but both times in the same area--an obvious design flaw. 

Anyway, I didn't get to ride the 101, but I want one. From everything I see and hear it should be great for downwind. Junya was having no trouble connecting the dots, and he's only about 20 pounds lighter than me, though he's infinitely more skilled.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: soepkip on January 29, 2020, 09:45:57 PM
Just got the 101 HA front wing & 460 flat stab.

For me it is more a dw foil but I tried on small wave to see how it was.

Easy gradual lift (like most HA wing), amazing glide, easy to pump back out as it stays up longer and hold it at low speed.
Turns ok, I mean you need some space and slow wave but you can do pretty good turns.
At 70 kg I don't need it for surfing (except if I want to connect x10 waves) but for bigger guys especially on a sup it might be a good choice.

Excellent FF!  How would you say it compares with the 1000 and 900 just in terms of push needed to get airborn?

You mean dw ?
I would like to know how easy it is to get the S1010 flying compared to the S1020 , for downwind and for very small waves...
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on January 30, 2020, 03:10:29 AM
Overall, I suppose.  How would you describe the amount lift / ease of takeoff compared to the 900 and 1000?

For surfing it has a nice gradual lift but I thnik with the flat stab being quite "big" you can feel some extra lift compared to 900 and 1000. Maybe I should try it with a smaller stab for surfing.

I haven't used it dw yet but I should do it soon, I will you know.
Title: Re: Axis 1010 wing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 30, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
I did an ocean down winder with the 1010 front and 440 rear today. 5m Swing.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49466081127_fd382683dd_b.jpg)

My top speed, just gliding along was 14.3 mph. I did not do any powered hooked in reaches to get a real top speed.

The wind shutoff like a switch, three quarters of the way into the run. So glad I’m passing on the whole sinker board trend. I would have been screwed.

Anyway, back to first impressions. Skittish under the front foot. Solid and relaxed rear foot with the 440 tail. Glad I passed on the flat tail 460. The flat wing 460 likely makes both feet skittish. The skittish goes away once the body adjusts, or maybe forgets about it.

So not for newbies. The 1020 is still king for ease of use. The 1000 is also more normal feeling. The 1010 definitely has the flat wing feel and that gets you easy glides and easier pumping.

Nice addition, but not replacing any of my other wings. Anyway, that’s the quick first impression.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49465480753_748beba685.jpg)
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: VB_Foil on January 30, 2020, 02:22:34 PM
Nice DW! What wind direction/speed were you working with there?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 30, 2020, 02:30:00 PM
Nice DW! What wind direction/speed were you working with there?

Just added the wind chart to my post above. Direction was 25 degrees side off shore.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Admin on January 30, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
How much wind did you have DW?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 30, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
13-22 mph when we started. 8-10 mph when I limped home.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Admin on January 31, 2020, 01:32:01 AM
Just in terms of ease of take off (how much wind to take off) our foils go 1020, 920, 1000, 900.  The 1020 and 920 are pretty close together as are the 1000 and 900.  There is a decent gap between the 920 and the 1000.  Does the 1010 fill it?
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 31, 2020, 04:41:42 AM
Just in terms of ease of take off (how much wind to take off) our foils go 1020, 920, 1000, 900.  The 1020 and 920 are pretty close together as are the 1000 and 900.  There is a decent gap between the 920 and the 1000.  Does the 1010 fill it?

Yes, I think so.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on February 02, 2020, 06:11:02 AM
Just in terms of ease of take off (how much wind to take off) our foils go 1020, 920, 1000, 900.  The 1020 and 920 are pretty close together as are the 1000 and 900.  There is a decent gap between the 920 and the 1000.  Does the 1010 fill it?

I just a dwinder with the 101/flat stab.

It wasn't a big dw, around 18nd but with wind swell bumps.

It is definetly easier to take off than the 900 or 1000. But not as easy as the 102. Maybe close to the 92.

I didn't have my gps watch and I was foiling with 14' racers no other foiler so hard to tell the speed.

It felt really stable and fast, I didn't have to use my paddle during the run, only quick pumping to speed up when needed which is good thing.

Compared to the 1000, it is not as good for turning/carving but the it is way more forgiving, when you loose your momentum/speed you stay up longer which allows you to speed up (pumping or paddling).

I need to see how fast it is but I think on a bigger dw I might use a smaller stab (I'm thinking making a smaller stab) and a 90cm mast.

This match my expectation, I was looking for something between the 102/92 and the 1000, and this is exactly watch it is.




Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Admin on February 02, 2020, 08:15:38 AM
Just in terms of ease of take off (how much wind to take off) our foils go 1020, 920, 1000, 900.  The 1020 and 920 are pretty close together as are the 1000 and 900.  There is a decent gap between the 920 and the 1000.  Does the 1010 fill it?

I just a dwinder with the 101/flat stab.

It wasn't a big dw, around 18nd but with wind swell bumps.

It is definetly easier to take off than the 900 or 1000. But not as easy as the 102. Maybe close to the 92.

I didn't have my gps watch and I was foiling with 14' racers no other foiler so hard to tell the speed.

It felt really stable and fast, I didn't have to use my paddle during the run, only quick pumping to speed up when needed which is good thing.

Compared to the 1000, it is not as good for turning/carving but the it is way more forgiving, when you loose your momentum/speed you stay up longer which allows you to speed up (pumping or paddling).

I need to see how fast it is but I think on a bigger dw I might use a smaller stab (I'm thinking making a smaller stab) and a 90cm mast.

This match my expectation, I was looking for something between the 102/92 and the 1000, and this is exactly watch it is.

FF, that sounds awesome.  Exactly what I was hoping to hear.  It sounds like this one will be a great middle wing.  PS:  you guys are killing me.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: frenchfoiler on February 03, 2020, 08:51:20 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8HAEyjIj6K/

Little dw on the prone, wind was light, it was just a short run, just to see if I can try a long one someday.
No fall allowed   ;)
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: soepkip on February 04, 2020, 08:08:16 AM
Little dw on the prone, wind was light, it was just a short run, just to see if I can try a long one someday.

Wow that looks really good!!
But off course you are 70 kg ,talented, super fit and on a prone

It will be a bit more difficult for normal people on a sup I fear....


Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: PonoBill on February 04, 2020, 11:19:09 PM
I rode my 101 yesterday in totally overpowered conditions. I was using my 5M F-one with the 1020, short fuselage, and 440 tail, but the wind picked up a LOT and I was struggling to control the foil. So I switched to the 101/standard fuselage/500 stab I had preconfigured in the Kook mommy van. Damn, that was fun. I think overpowered is a good thing as long as you aren't serious about making way upwind. I managed to scratch out a little upwind distance and come in where I went out--sort of--but it took some intent. It would have been way more fun to just let it run and come in wherever.

What I like most is the steady pitch control. So easy, even when conditions are a bit insane. I had a 75cm mast on, and I didn't want to overfoil at the speeds I was hitting, but I could just set it up to just miss the wavetops, and stay there like I was on cruise control. There were some nice groundswell waves coming through, and when I caught one and turned onto the face it was easy to make way upwind in a hurry. The big trick was not letting the speed freak me out. It reminds me of the speed windsurfing I did on occasion back when I was young and stupid. The same sense of pushing a limit, the same kind of vibration through the board. I'm sure I wasn't going all that fast, but being a couple of feet higher and thirty years older amplifies everything. I still remembered to look off into the distance. Looking at the stuff zipping past your board is the sure way to freak out, lock up, and pitch off.
Title: Re: Axis 900 wing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on February 05, 2020, 05:12:12 AM

What I like most is the steady pitch control.

I like to think of it this way. The racier wings don’t pickup the “chop” wave energy. The slower, draggy wings when pushed fast, surge up and down passing under the chop at speed. Acting like they don’t like it.

While the fast wings, race along under the surface irregularities, ignoring all the little changes in energy under the surface. Steady pitch.

When I find myself in choppy water, super lit with a big fat wing, I just stop allowing the Swing to make he go fast and ride at a speed my foil likes better.

BTW, I love the upwind angles the 1000 and 1010 hit. It’s like being on a slalom board. When I go back to the 1020, I feel like I’m on a wave board and can barely point.
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