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Title: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Wetstuff on April 02, 2019, 01:34:55 PM
This has been like an 'elephant in the room' for a few years... and, yet the traditional media has looked the other way  ...recently, still silent - 'till 'a woman with questionable allegiance to another candidate' spoke up.  Marjie and I were watching TV a few years ago and there was a ceremony in the White House where Joe Biden walked up behind a girl 12-14 years old and vacuumed every pheromone off her scalp. (I was expecting his eyes to glaze when he was done...)   

...not, someone he works with or at an exciting 'campaign rally'  ...a child. Her mother looked aghast. I said to Marjie; "Biden's wife is standing there!?"   

It would be interesting: two old white guys with their supporters arguing which is worse for the future of the nation: Handsy or Nosey.  That may be what we're coming to.

Jim
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 02, 2019, 02:04:45 PM
Okaaay ... a little insight in to what makes Uncle Joe tick....
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: spirit4earth on April 02, 2019, 02:19:53 PM
In spite of the fact trump has gotten away with much worse, we need to have a dem candidate with no skeletons in the closet.  At least not those kinds of skeletons.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 02, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
One is on tape bragging about a history of sexual assault.  The other might have sniffed hair.  Possibly awkward?  Made me feel uncomfortable is an untenable standard.  Let's not attempt to equate the two.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: spirit4earth on April 02, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
One is on tape bragging about a history of sexual assault.  The other might have sniffed hair.  Possibly awkward?  Made me feel uncomfortable is an untenable standard.  Let's not attempt to equate the two.
No, I’m not equating the two.  Not by a long shot.  I’m just saying that the Dems need someone that the Republicans can’t point fingers at.  If that’s even possible.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Tom on April 02, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
Looks like Lucy gets around. She might just be a bit to friendly with Bill here.
 

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Bill+Clinton+Lucy+Flores+Bill+Clinton+Campaigns+0mbuqkUsuyGl.jpg

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 03, 2019, 04:01:01 AM
One is on tape bragging about a history of sexual assault.  The other might have sniffed hair.  Possibly awkward?  Made me feel uncomfortable is an untenable standard.  Let's not attempt to equate the two.
No, I’m not equating the two.  Not by a long shot.  I’m just saying that the Dems need someone that the Republicans can’t point fingers at.  If that’s even possible.

I know that you are not.  Joe Biden is an affectionate guy.  There are thousand of pictures of him hugging men, women, kids, everyone.  Many people are, and there is nothing inherently sexual about it.  Of course the opposition would like to conflate those this with Trumps deviant behavior.  It irritates me when the Dems are there to do it for him.

https://www.google.com/search?q=biden+hugs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg4rm54LPhAhVWtZ4KHSoKBc0Q_AUIDigB&biw=2560&bih=1369#imgrc=xlJskO36IMtm8M:

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Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Wetstuff on April 03, 2019, 06:23:40 AM
 Boss,  You could not have watched those slow, lizard-like moves on that young girl and thought it not well beyond creepy.  I know people who are, to my mind, too friendly  ...always antsy, fingertips touchy, loud - this was not that.   

Set aside, Biden has little in his history of voting or statements that he's any different than Chuck Grassley of Iowa on the other side ...just some old Pol with an establishment donor base that 'wants' something in exchange.  Same-old c'hit on a new plate.

Let new, younger, people take us into the future rather than these geezers who keep looking backward.  'Great Again'  ...I saw separate drinking fountains and divided bus stations in TX while in the Army.  That was an evil period, not an America I want my grandson to inherit.

Jim

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 03, 2019, 07:57:41 AM
WS,

You wrote that this was on TV and at a white house ceremony.  I am not sure what you are alleging but it sure doesn't sound like he was at all concerned that the world see it.  This is who he is.  I would have no problem with this from anyone on either side. 

(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmarkpantano.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F03%2Fbiden-joe-groping-6.jpg&hash=d53d29ca4d721679ba993a743a607f4f)

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: seadart on April 03, 2019, 10:49:11 AM
I think most people under 65 realize that Biden's behavior in a company would get you fired today, whether you are a CEO or a super friendly janitor. If you are a high level employee you have probably gone through hours and hours of training that says this kind of behavior is not acceptable in the work place. He's not winning any votes from younger voters - and I  certainly have some very demonstrative and "huggy" friends and I still find some of these videos "creepy."   In particular a friend of my father used to behave this way around all females,  he ended up being convicted of child molestation.  One of the kids he molested was a little girl when I was junior high age,  she is the sister of one of my high school friends.  She told me how all of the young girls in our church/neighborhood dreaded this guy and that was long before the abuse started.   He was a model citizen, choir leader, city councilman, scoutmaster, war hero, and loved and defended by all his friends.  It does not matter what Trump has done, if someone wants to be president they have to have the moral integrity to lead.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 03, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
i think biden is generally a decent man, who is more affectionate than most--nothing sexual and no intended perviness--much like many women who put a hand on your knee when making a point--annoying, but not sexually offensive--and he's not a cheater--aint no mistresses in his wake

if ive a problem with joe, it's that he laid down, as senate judiciary chair, while anita hill was shit all over during the thomas hearings--and then... we got thomas, likely the dumbest judge ever to get near the supreme court---but joe has admitted regret as to how he handled that situation, whatever that's worth

you know, clarence thomas, the guy who neglected to disclose that his wife was paid 750k per year by the koch bros--on the simple one page financial disclosure sheet for onboarding supreme ct justices and families!---he "forgot"---no problem!!

his wife ginny puts up disgraceful tweets these days

if theyve any charm, they vacation together in their winnebago

but hey--trumps has forced security clearances on 25 staffers who failed when vetted by normal clearance staff--and Trump wont use a secure phone--and jared whats apps with that butcher MBS---i could go on and on.....whatever...
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 03, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
I think most people under 65 realize that Biden's behavior in a company would get you fired today, whether you are a CEO or a super friendly janitor. If you are a high level employee you have probably gone through hours and hours of training that says this kind of behavior is not acceptable in the work place. He's not winning any votes from younger voters - and I  certainly have some very demonstrative and "huggy" friends and I still find some of these videos "creepy."   In particular a friend of my father used to behave this way around all females,  he ended up being convicted of child molestation.  One of the kids he molested was a little girl when I was junior high age,  she is the sister of one of my high school friends.  She told me how all of the young girls in our church/neighborhood dreaded this guy and that was long before the abuse started.   He was a model citizen, choir leader, city councilman, scoutmaster, war hero, and loved and defended by all his friends.  It does not matter what Trump has done, if someone wants to be president they have to have the moral integrity to lead.

By that standard we have a big pedophile problem and no candidates.  Google any candidate's name and the word hug and you will come up with thousands of images and video for each.  Do you really want to claim that someone lacks moral integrity for hugging?  And of course it matters what Trump has done.   If one side is comfortable with with everything and the other has this type of unrealistic standard we will end up again exactly where we are now.

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Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: seadart on April 03, 2019, 01:29:25 PM
Yup.  We will see where Biden goes,  he's done. 
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: SUP Leave on April 03, 2019, 01:33:43 PM
Let's face it Biden is not progressive enough for the base D's in the next election. The D's are going to take him out before he even gets started. His best day as a pres candidate was the first one, from here out it will only get worse. Bernie is kicking his ass in fundraising.

Personally, to me he is just an affectionate guy, and kind of weird. Totally believe him when he says he did not mean anything but best intentions. I have to laugh about the media takedown of the guy though. I mean I can remember about 6 months ago when the media was 100% sure Kavanagh was a serial rapist based on a 30 year claim from a drunken party with no corroboration. So if we are to 'believe all women' that means eating our own sometimes too.

I also agree that if he was my employee and he put his hands on the shoulders of our administrators or a young engineer, I would have him in my office in 5 seconds. He seems like the kind of guy who calls waitresses 'sweetheart' and I think that is inappropriate.

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 03, 2019, 02:46:58 PM
agree sup leave--not appropriate--my wife's comment was that, if he's not doing it to guys, it is not cool--tho he does hug a lot of guys--i dont think he sniffs male scalps tho--that is a bit freaky

and we have eaten our own--franken, for example---aint no one eating the true transgressor, trump, tho--instead they're voting for him

most republicans are cool with having elected a pres who bangs pornstars when his wife's home pregnant--nbd
there's a whole list of shit theyre cool with....whatever...just the facts
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 03, 2019, 04:02:59 PM
Bernie is kicking his ass in fundraising.

But surely this would disqualify him under the new cruelty should he become the frontrunner:  https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 03, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
And we are just getting started. This is going to be so fun. Bernie, Biden, Beto......And a cast of twelve others....  I’ve Already started my election night party list.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: surf4food on April 03, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
In spite of the fact trump has gotten away with much worse, we need to have a dem candidate with no skeletons in the closet.  At least not those kinds of skeletons.

I agree.  Problem is there's no such thing as a person who chooses this line of work who doesn't have skeletons in their closet.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 03, 2019, 06:07:32 PM
Hi surf.... You mean they’re not the best and brightest?
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 04, 2019, 03:10:23 AM
For what its worth, Biden is leading the most recent polls for Millennials.  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-leads-2020-democrats-in-millennial-support-poll-finds/ .

In any event we will eventually have a candidate.  Will it be a binder thrower, a hair sniffer, an off tone college essay writer, a high school punk band lyric offender?  So far our list of offenses is entirely tame.  If these are our skeletons, we are looking good.  I don't like them all equally but any one of them will have my vote should they become the one.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: SUP Leave on April 04, 2019, 09:13:46 AM
I think Biden is the best candidate for the D's to run with. Best chance to win by far. Trump knows this which is why he is tweeting about the sexual stuff (small pot meet big kettle).

The election again comes down to Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio (maybe Florida). The first three are blue collar states. I don't think that the blue collar states are looking for a Booker or Warren, and the D's will throw away another imminently winnable election if they go far left. They just need to remember, that their last candidate did not get people out to vote in those places. It wasn't so much that Trump was overpowering, Hillary was underwhelming.

I would like to see a debate between Biden and Bernie where they discuss Obamacare. The really progressive side of the D party is starting to shit on Obama policy now (as not being progressive enough) and I think when Biden runs they will lump it all on him. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Area 10 on April 04, 2019, 10:53:41 AM
Two men well into their 70s will be locking Zimmer frames over the presidency? Sheesh... is there really no-one younger to lead the free - and very fast-changing - world?

And I say this as no spring chicken myself (indeed, it is perhaps why I do say it).
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: SUP Leave on April 04, 2019, 12:08:37 PM
Nope, Bernie is in his 80s.

Pete Buttigieg is a pretty good candidate IMO. I would vote for him, so it probably means he is far too center for the D nomination.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 05, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
Pretty funny....AOC in “blackface” today at the NAN conference. Really....best and brightest?  Nobody here would vote for her, Right?  8)
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Weasels wake on April 05, 2019, 05:52:42 PM
agree sup leave--not appropriate--my wife's comment was that, if he's not doing it to guys, it is not cool--tho he does hug a lot of guys--i dont think he sniffs male scalps tho--that is a bit freaky

and we have eaten our own--franken, for example---aint no one eating the true transgressor, trump, tho--instead they're voting for him

most republicans are cool with having elected a pres who bangs pornstars when his wife's home pregnant--nbd
there's a whole list of shit theyre cool with....whatever...just the facts
You forgot keeping their women barefoot in the kitchen with a dog collar on, and nothing else, while serving contaminated food with dirty water, smoking a cigarette, admiring her AK-47 tattoo across her butt cheek, and worst of all, wearing a MAGA hat.... just the facts.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 05, 2019, 06:50:33 PM
Wall Street Trump 70%. Anybody else.......for get a bout it....
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 05, 2019, 06:56:55 PM
Admin, Area ,Eastie, PDQ, I am sure I am forgetting sombody. What say you?

PDY
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 05, 2019, 07:10:02 PM
Or it could be Stacy “we won” Abrams. That’s my choice.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 05, 2019, 07:36:34 PM
Get that stinky smelly dog away.  “Joe?”. No, my dog. Use dynovite...
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: PonoBill on April 05, 2019, 10:12:55 PM
Pretty funny....AOC in “blackface” today at the NAN conference. Really....best and brightest?  Nobody here would vote for her, Right?  8)
I'm fairly certain she's certifiably nuts. Smart, but nuts.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 06, 2019, 03:44:58 AM
Admin, Area ,Eastie, PDQ, I am sure I am forgetting sombody. What say you?

PDY

I am not sure what you are asking.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 06, 2019, 03:55:27 AM
try to follow my point weasel:

Me:

"most republicans are cool with having elected a pres who bangs pornstars when his wife's home pregnant--nbd
there's a whole list of shit theyre cool with....whatever...just the facts"

You:

"You forgot keeping their women barefoot in the kitchen with a dog collar on, and nothing else, while serving contaminated food with dirty water, smoking a cigarette, admiring her AK-47 tattoo across her butt cheek, and worst of all, wearing a MAGA hat.... just the facts."

first of, see the part about how i am referring to repubs being cool with Trumps behavior.?? maybe you were responding to another quote, but mis-pasted mine? whatever the case your response seems random--try at least to connect with some version of what ive said---otherwise your poty is really just a random desperate garbage toss-----but hey, have at it

re my post--check about 20 different polls to see that repubs still support trump despite all of his lies and transgressions--it's a fact that those many polls have the results they have

not sure what your facts are...

try to add something meaningful to the discussion--if you disagree with somuthing, work on using good logic and writing to counter the point--random garbage like you wrote above makes you look desperate--im sure you have something meaningful to say--give it a shot


Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: rbgar on April 06, 2019, 05:05:39 AM
Democrats eat their own stool.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: RideTheGlide on April 06, 2019, 05:28:21 AM
Pretty funny....AOC in “blackface” today at the NAN conference. Really....best and brightest?  Nobody here would vote for her, Right?  8)

She was not in blackface but some commentators accused her of using a "blaccent" to connect with her audience. Others accused her of being a former bartender from the Bronx, who often speak like that. She adopted a manner of speech from her past that is common to where she is from and where she was. She was making a point about dignity and was treated with indignity by the right; nothing new here...
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Bean on April 06, 2019, 07:26:36 AM
If you have not seen the clip, you should do so.  I found it pretty cringeworthy. 

It was a measured act for sure, and she seems to know her audience.   But for an outsider looking in, it was a pretty appalling display.

The question you need to be askig your self about her (and most poiliticians these days) is, was it her plan or was it all part of the script...

No, not all bartenders in the Bronx speak with the same accent...not even most.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: RideTheGlide on April 06, 2019, 07:39:44 AM
If you have not seen the clip, you should do so.  I found it pretty cringeworthy. 

It was a measured act for sure, and she seems to know her audience.   But for an outsider looking in, it was a pretty appalling display.

The question you need to be askig your self about her (and most poiliticians these days) is, was it her plan or was it all part of the script...

No, not all bartenders in the Bronx speak with the same accent...not even most.

"was it her plan or was it all part of the script" - I am not sure I have ever seen a more blatant false dichotomy.

I am going mostly based on relatives who are NYC residents and others commenting that the accent is as much or more urban as racial. How much time have you spent in the Bronx?
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 06, 2019, 09:48:39 AM
That Cortez accent clip is pretty embarrassing. I wish I had been there to say, "Sweet Fancy Moses'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY_DF2Af3LM
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Tom on April 06, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
https://youtu.be/tCX3qo8ZB5Y
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Admin on April 06, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
The most amusing thing about Cortez is the mysterious power that she has to ignite the heads of the Trump base.  Just the mention of those 3 letters.  Poof. 
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Rider on April 06, 2019, 11:25:38 AM
The most amusing thing about Cortez is the mysterious power she has over the Democrat Party.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Tom on April 06, 2019, 12:07:21 PM
There are 435 members of the House of Representatives, 235 are Democrats, but the the conservatives think there are only 2, Nancy and Alexandria.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Area 10 on April 06, 2019, 01:07:47 PM
Pretty funny....AOC in “blackface” today at the NAN conference. Really....best and brightest?  Nobody here would vote for her, Right?  8)
I'm fairly certain she's certifiably nuts. Smart, but nuts.
Maybe she is. Maybe she isn’t. But the question should be, “is she right?”
https://youtu.be/hRM1t4RU69c
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Weasels wake on April 06, 2019, 01:26:37 PM
try to follow my point weasel:

Me:

"most republicans are cool with having elected a pres who bangs pornstars when his wife's home pregnant--nbd
there's a whole list of shit theyre cool with....whatever...just the facts"

You:

"You forgot keeping their women barefoot in the kitchen with a dog collar on, and nothing else, while serving contaminated food with dirty water, smoking a cigarette, admiring her AK-47 tattoo across her butt cheek, and worst of all, wearing a MAGA hat.... just the facts."

first of, see the part about how i am referring to repubs being cool with Trumps behavior.?? maybe you were responding to another quote, but mis-pasted mine? whatever the case your response seems random--try at least to connect with some version of what ive said---otherwise your poty is really just a random desperate garbage toss-----but hey, have at it

re my post--check about 20 different polls to see that repubs still support trump despite all of his lies and transgressions--it's a fact that those many polls have the results they have

not sure what your facts are...

try to add something meaningful to the discussion--if you disagree with somuthing, work on using good logic and writing to counter the point--random garbage like you wrote above makes you look desperate--im sure you have something meaningful to say--give it a shot
"Desperate"?  Not at all, I don't buy the mainstream media, which is full of the "facts" that you choose to believe.
"The true transgressor, Trump", from your other post.  Let's see, Avenatti is most likely going to prison, and Daniels is stuck having to pay Trump's legal bills, alrightythen.  Nothing is solidly proven other than locker room talk, caught on tape.  But maybe he did hire some prostitutes to piss on a hotel bed that Obama slept in?  Ya think?
But hea, you've got congress doing everything but what they were elected to do, their constituents be damned, a 4th investigation into Trump collusion is more important, 2020 should be interesting.

As for my "random garbage", I was just illustrating absurdity by being absurd.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 08, 2019, 03:16:25 AM
fact: most repubs are ok with trump--despite his incredible, continual lying and transgressions--nothing absurb in my citation of these poll-based facts---

do you have any facts, weasel, that say otherwise? 

anecdotally, for example, youre good with trump, weasel,  and you plan to vote again for him, right?  and you think most of the bad stuff about trump and his cronies is fake news--youve made that crystal clear--bravo for writing skills!!

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Weasels wake on April 08, 2019, 09:59:48 AM
fact: most repubs are ok with trump--despite his incredible, continual lying and transgressions--nothing absurb in my citation of these poll-based facts---

do you have any facts, weasel, that say otherwise? 

anecdotally, for example, youre good with trump, weasel,  and you plan to vote again for him, right?  and you think most of the bad stuff about trump and his cronies is fake news--youve made that crystal clear--bravo for writing skills!!
For me it's much more about accomplishments than it is personality.  There comes a point, of which we have reached, for me and his base, that the accomplishments far outweigh any perceived shortcomings of his personality.  The improved economy, the improved unemployment rates including all minorities, the elimination of the ISIS califate, the improved stock market, and trying like hell to improve border security, despite no help from congress.  They think they have more important things to do, which is total BS.

Focus on his personality all you want, as does the mainstream media, but in the words of James Carvel, "it's the economy stupid", it was true when he said it, and it's still true today.  Maybe that will help you understand this little anecdotal poll here on this site.  Speaking of which, more names should be added to that poll, there are now 17 candidates vying for the dems candidacy. 
You could do yourself a big favor by listening to Laura Logan as well as what Ted Coppell have to say about today's mainstream media, they are agenda driven now, not news driven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWZtYSPyPig
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 08, 2019, 10:37:49 AM
fake news that you devoured hook line and sinker:

"The improved economy, the improved unemployment rates including all minorities, the elimination of the ISIS califate, the improved stock market"

you forgot about the solution of the world's problems with No Korea!! i could go on, believe me.......

bon appetit!
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: PonoBill on April 08, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
fact: most repubs are ok with trump--despite his incredible, continual lying and transgressions--nothing absurb in my citation of these poll-based facts---

do you have any facts, weasel, that say otherwise? 

anecdotally, for example, youre good with trump, weasel,  and you plan to vote again for him, right?  and you think most of the bad stuff about trump and his cronies is fake news--youve made that crystal clear--bravo for writing skills!!
For me it's much more about accomplishments than it is personality.  There comes a point, of which we have reached, for me and his base, that the accomplishments far outweigh any perceived shortcomings of his personality.  The improved economy, the improved unemployment rates including all minorities, the elimination of the ISIS califate, the improved stock market, and trying like hell to improve border security, despite no help from congress.  They think they have more important things to do, which is total BS.

Focus on his personality all you want, as does the mainstream media, but in the words of James Carvel, "it's the economy stupid", it was true when he said it, and it's still true today.  Maybe that will help you understand this little anecdotal poll here on this site.  Speaking of which, more names should be added to that poll, there are now 17 candidates vying for the dems candidacy. 
You could do yourself a big favor by listening to Laura Logan as well as what Ted Coppell have to say about today's mainstream media, they are agenda driven now, not news driven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWZtYSPyPig

Ted Koppel is obviously right, but he's being right about something that everyone already knows. Is there someone in a cave somewhere who thinks today's media is unbiased? But you seem like a rational conservative Weasel, is there anything you've seen Trump doing that actually delivered those results? I laugh just as hard at the democrats claiming great gains in the economy from President Obama. Cutting corporate taxes is great, but it could have been done in a way that delivered across the board benefits, not just a freebie that increased the deficit and debt. Do you really believe that in any way he's doing anything for the betterment of the country and our people?
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Weasels wake on April 08, 2019, 02:46:26 PM
Yes, I already mentioned them, and I'm a conservative/libertarian to be more precise.

Then EB brings up the Norks, OMG, that hasn't been solved yet!  So I guess he considers Trump a complete failure, because of that, and the other things he didn't feel like taking the time to list, whatever they are.
Seen any missiles being fired by the Norks lately EB?  Any other POTUS talk to little Kim face to face?  I do think Trump should have called an end to the Korean war during their last meeting, that would have been considered a give.  The NK USA relationship is better now than it has been for decades, which really isn't saying much, but it's something.
Trump is not perfect, but he has improved the important things that really matter to the people of this country.  He's an outsider, many don't like that, but that is what got him elected.
Why are some of the dem candidates pushing for reparations all of a sudden, after what 250 years?  They can see they are loosing the blacks due to their unemployment rate going down to historic lows, so they have to offer them something to regain their loyalty, money.
People can and will continue to bash Trump all they want, but what have they got to replace him with?
I think that independent CEO from Starbucks comes the closest, but he's an independent, so he probably has no chance.

BTW, I know Koppel is spelled with a K and one L, I'm human, just like our POTUS, and everyone else here.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 09, 2019, 03:24:30 AM
got you--you think trump's done well with no korea--i hear you loud and clear

OMG!

i dont measure trump in success or failure--there is no real success, and any comment he makes about anything risks being a self-serving brazen lie much of the time.

name another "win" that youve consumed of the fake news and lies that are continually perpetuated by trump--ask otto's family about trump's success in no korea

OMG that poor kid got sent home in a coma, and Trump's talking lover-boy with Kim--ya look at that accomplishment!

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Area 10 on April 09, 2019, 04:21:44 AM
Kim has played Trump like a fiddle. As it was obvious he would: Kim is smarter.

But it is - probably - better that the US and North Korea are talking. Assuming it goes somewhere. Otherwise Trump has legitimised a very unpleasant tyrant. Or perhaps I should say *another* very unpleasant tyrant.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: RideTheGlide on April 09, 2019, 07:15:54 AM
Kim has played Trump like a fiddle. As it was obvious he would: Kim is smarter.

But it is - probably - better that the US and North Korea are talking. Assuming it goes somewhere. Otherwise Trump has legitimised a very unpleasant tyrant. Or perhaps I should say *another* very unpleasant tyrant.

He is also making overtures to Sudan.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Bean on April 09, 2019, 11:54:55 AM
"was it her plan or was it all part of the script" - I am not sure I have ever seen a more blatant false dichotomy.

Why would you say that?
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: RideTheGlide on April 09, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
"was it her plan or was it all part of the script" - I am not sure I have ever seen a more blatant false dichotomy.

Why would you say that?

Because it reads like the only two answers are the same answer.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Bean on April 09, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
That's an interesting interpretation RTG.  But no, I merely questioned whether she planed the "presentation" herself or if it had been scripted by somone else.  So, not a blatant false dichotomy.  (Not that I'm above a little blatant false dichotomy here and there.) ;D
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Weasels wake on April 09, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
got you--you think trump's done well with no korea--i hear you loud and clear

OMG!

i dont measure trump in success or failure--there is no real success, and any comment he makes about anything risks being a self-serving brazen lie much of the time.

name another "win" that youve consumed of the fake news and lies that are continually perpetuated by trump--ask otto's family about trump's success in no korea

OMG that poor kid got sent home in a coma, and Trump's talking lover-boy with Kim--ya look at that accomplishment!
I already know you think Trump's efforts in N. K. are a failure, I guess you felt that it needed repeating, along with trying to take the advantage of an innocent's death.
*Worst POTUS ever!!!!  And that alone proves it!*

A detail you may want to consider, the relationship N. K. had with Obama, Otto was arrested on 1/23/16, just 3 days after Trump was sworn in, and was sentenced to 15 years in prison, you know the rest of the sad story.  Don't try to blame the entire story on Trump...…….. okay try to, for a third time, I no longer care.


Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 10, 2019, 01:52:47 AM
only blame is that trump put up a bunch of tough talk about otto at first, then threw it all to the wind for his loverboy act--disgraceful

how 'bout the kids in cages? where we then drug 'em cuz they get upset? all crying and shit! that'll teach those rapists and drug dealers to stay out of here.

is this another accomplishment?

or is this something about "personality" that you overlook??
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Wetstuff on April 10, 2019, 08:06:38 AM
Weasel...  Trump had no more to do with that Warmbeir fellow than the two hikers snagged by the Taliban in Afganistan and held for 5yrs.  Like them, Warmbier was a simple-minded fellow who, also like Timothy Treadwell in Alaska, 'lived with grizzlies'  ...and paid for their ignorances.  Warmbier's parents should have asked the State Dept. to withhold his passport.

Jim
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 11, 2019, 07:22:43 AM
reality check re trump, otto warmbier, and otto's parents:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/28/politics/donald-trump-otto-warmbier-kim-jong-un/index.html

just one of many examples of our ignorant simple-minded president in action

trump has everything to do with this story--he shoved himself deep in and made a fool of himself and us

trump clumsily tried to use the poor warmbier family in some cheap idiotic political backpedal scheme

yep no korea is one of trump's crown accomplishments

second only to the caging/jailing of little children.......makes me a proud american...feels so great again



Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Bean on April 11, 2019, 08:08:48 AM

yep no korea is one of trump's crown accomplishments


You mean clown achievements...hey wait, which side am I on again?

It is possible that we are moving in the right direction with North Korea, but it is scary to say the least.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on April 11, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
It is possible that we are moving in the right direction with North Korea, but it is scary to say the least.
With opposing views (whether on a forum or on foreign policy) having a dialogue is always better than just sitting stewing, pointing fingers at one another; but wrt foreign policy, each person talking has to understand the history, interests, goals, and character of the other to reach whatever "fair" compromise or agreement between the two.

When one person prides themself in not reading, understanding, or caring about those above mentioned points, and believes that schmoozing, bribes, deception, intimidation, or some combination of those will get the job done is what should concern all those potentially effected by the outcome of the talks.

It's not just a coincidence that the term "Information is power" was coined, and unfortunately Trump himself stated that he's not interested in information (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-briefings-232479), and would rather rely on his staff (namely Kelly and Mattis at the time) to determine "If something should change, let us know".

Which I guess is/was OK when he had "handlers" who did have a clue wrt world politics and affairs, but when Trump doesn't like what they tell him, or chooses to willfully, arrogantly, and haphazardly go against the "intelligence" being presented to him to the point of being played like a cheap fiddle by just about anyone around him who has equal (or some might say greater) power over him...to the point that his "advisers" become fed up with his BS, and leave for their own sanity...giving many of us great concern, and reservation with what this guy says, and does to other world leaders who make him look like a puppet on their lap - with their hand up his arse making him talk - with how they play him so well (Jong-un included).

So yes, reestablishing a dialogue with NK is moving in the right direction...but having Trump (or even Trump directed Pompeo) doing it is as you say, much more "scary to say the least". 

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Bean on April 11, 2019, 10:57:46 AM
Yes, and at least Moon now appears to be taking a more active (if not just more visible) role in the process.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: WingSuit on April 12, 2019, 11:32:47 AM
We need a Dem candidate with no history of sexual misconduct.  Like Bill Clinton or JFK.  The good old days.
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 12, 2019, 12:02:12 PM
which 2020 democratic candidate has a history of sexual misconduct?

Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 15, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
got it---that was just a garbage throwaway...................

let's not forget our current republican president had sex with a porn star while his wife was home pregnant with his son--just a few years back--in 2006

and the trump paid her to keep her mouth shut about it, two days before the 2016 election

yet vast majority of republicans support trump to this day in spite of these lovely family values

in case family values matter to anyone anymore

maybe they're just like deficits?
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 15, 2019, 08:59:23 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/14/opinions/presidential-weekly-briefing-trump-third-summit-kim-vinograd/index.html

tough to characterize trump's interaction with kim jong as other than an embarrassing, poorly thought out, failure

kim wants to meet again--if trump has a "better attitude"--nice work..........there we go "winning" again

trump has, in no k, engaged a complete failure that has reinforced danger to the world and ongoing human rights abuses in no k--and zero accountability for the no korean torture-killing of otto warmbier, an innocent young american student---used to be we cared about this kinda stuff

trump cared--for a moment when a headline or two about the poor kid and family benefitted Trump---now otto's just an inconvenient reminder of trump's abject failure with no korea---so he's doing the mbs dance--"he told me he knew nothing of this situation, and i believe him"

for a decent person to support trump, they have to overlook a whole lotta crap



Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: Area 10 on April 15, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
What “decent person” is overlooking this stuff from Trump? Decent people don’t overlook stuff like that. I fear that this is the start of a race war, basically, and since some people want that, they will overlook just about anything. It is fuelled, overwhelmingly, by “left behind” white folk failing to come to terms with the fact that they will soon be in a minority, substantially because they stoped having children, but also because of globalisation (and automation).
Title: Re: Biden Olfactory Syndrome
Post by: eastbound on April 27, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-us-did-not-pay-any-of-the-2-million-that-north-korea-sought-for-otto-warmbiers-care/2019/04/26/4587fcbe-6815-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?utm_term=.7b20ce250552

https://www.postbulletin.com/opinion/other_views/editorial-honor-among-thieves-north-korea-s-kim-demands-payment/article_d8e79717-5743-5c30-8dbf-b35e7cbfa2b2.html

so funny

cementing the "win"