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Title: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 01, 2019, 11:11:13 AM

I’ve been thinking about getting a big board, primarily for relaxed cruising between breaks... but for surf. 

What are peoples’ thoughts about using an oversized performance surf shaped board instead of a longboard or large allrounder shape?

Granted if super-sized, a performance shape wouldn’t reach the performance it was designed for. BUT, if my goals do not include shredding or stylized longboarding, what harm in having decent rails and a shape that can turn?  (…and for the humility record I can’t shred or drop a knee turn.)

So specific example – The ‘appropriate’ Jimmy Lewis World Wide for my 185lb would be the 8’9 (141L).   But there is also a 9’9 x33” (171L).   Would that be a big board that is fun? … or just a big pain in the a** … ?
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Area 10 on April 01, 2019, 12:28:35 PM
I think it’s a great idea in principle, but no-one to my knowledge makes the right board. Although you could go halfway there with something like the SIC Sabre, maybe.

The problem is that the brands seem obsessed with short, thick, wide boards right now. Or else they are sinkers. Whereas what I would like is a scaled-up version of a performance (prone) surf board that maintains its thinness, and does not get wider than 30” in the middle. Plenty of planing area for ease of paddling and getting into weak waves, but narrow rails and not too much volume to enable carving. And a decent length, not some silly 7ft length that only works properly for three days a year at my crumbly weak home break. 10-6 might be nice, so I can cruise from break to break and really cover some miles.

Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: JEG on April 01, 2019, 01:31:13 PM
having a big board in your quiver is good and fun to have.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
It doesn't make any sense to go with a shortboard shape designed for a much heavier rider. It would not surf well and would not paddle well.

The "appropriate" surfing volume for 185 lbs is about 130 liters max. The World Wide 8'5 would be perfect for your weight. It looks like Jimmy doesn't make the smaller lengths anymore.

I'm looking for the same type of board you are and no one makes it. Something between 9'6 and 10'6, not a longboard shape, under 150 liters, designed specifically for surfing but aimed at riders under 200 lbs. A board like this would be very easy to paddle a few miles if you wanted to without losing any surfing performance.

All the bigger boards are designed for riders over 220 pounds which sucks for us.



Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 01, 2019, 04:59:57 PM
I think it’s a great idea in principle, but no-one to my knowledge makes the right board.

This began when I rented Riviera’s ‘The Boss’ (10' x 31" x 162L, w/ domed deck, thin rails, relatively light) and had a blast, despite the domed deck. It paddled fast, surfed well, and was relatively light weight.  So those have been my target dims.  The Boss is no longer in production, and it still was more of a LB shape than the hybrid shape that I want.   

I’ve looked at most mainline brand’s production boards.  Some candidates turn out to be no longer in production, even though still on mfgr's website (e.g., Kazuma’s carbon Milkman 9’10 x 31 x 160L).

So as you point out, there’s a dearth of choice in this segment, and getting dearthier as SUP production in general cools off.

It doesn't make any sense to go with a shortboard shape designed for a much heavier rider. It would not surf well and would not paddle well.
This gets to the gist of my question.  If you keep the volume down, its not certain it wouldn't surf well.  Granted it would surf differently than it was intended for a weight appropriate rider, but if we compare surfing a 10’6 longboard and a 10’6 performance shape, they would just surf differently from each other. And I’m thinking that a large performance shape could be fun... if the right shape...
   
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Area 10 on April 01, 2019, 05:18:41 PM
It would be. So I’m getting a custom made, hopefully. I guess you might be able to persuade the Sunova folk to design one?
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2019, 05:28:27 PM
My first board was a 10'6 Riviera Original. It surfed pretty good but it had way too much volume.

The 9'6 World Wide is pretty much just a bigger version of the smaller World Wides. I don't think that type of shape would work well, even with less volume. Plus, the rails on the World Wide are too fat IMO.

What I'm talking about is more of a stretched out shortboard. For instance if Sunova made a 10'6 X 29" version of the Flow and made it under 140 liters, something like that might be just what I'm looking for. The rocker might have to be tweaked a bit and the nose and tail tapered, but other than that, I think it might surf and paddle pretty well. I can't afford a custom board right now or I would probably have one made.

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Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 01, 2019, 05:42:53 PM
A10, I've been exploring Infinity making something, with the SIC-like handle they put in their Wide Aquatic.

Badger, thanks for the World Wide specifics. (I recall you had one?) I'll cool my jets on that one.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Rider on April 01, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Hi Dusk.... check out King’s Paddlesports. What you want is the Knight model. Maybe a 9’ 8” at 125 liters. Call Dave and he will talk you through it. The wife and I have a couple that are still going strong at 5 years. You can not drive over these boards like a JL. Treat like a surfboard.....
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dwight (DW) on April 01, 2019, 06:12:09 PM
Devils advocate here  :D

Oversized performance boards are a bit like kissing your sister.

I’d rather surf a longboard or short board SUP. The in between doesn’t do anything well enough.

A longboard can be narrow without loss of stability and be fast as hell. I often steal my wife’s.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: burchas on April 01, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
I’ve been thinking about getting a big board, primarily for relaxed cruising between breaks... but for surf. 

It sound like the Sunova Creek 9'7" is right around there. From what I've seen you'll be able to throw it around somewhat easily due to its performance tail.

Although I'm with DW on that, probably would go for a New Deal 10'6x29 for what you're describing.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: OkiWild on April 01, 2019, 06:54:47 PM
Lifetime short boarder and not quite two years on a SUP. I love the larger performance shapes. My days of doing big hacks are done, but I love big, hard carves, and if the board is shaped correctly, it'll go exactly where I want it to. And it still floats you, paddles nice, gets to the outer reefs without drama. I can't find a real down side.   

Just a quick glance shows Blue Planet and Sunova both make boards in the range you're looking at. I'm a big fan of low maintenance, durable boards. Not real concerned about a few pounds. My go-to boards are the BP Ninja Warrior and Pocket Knife @ 8'8" and 8'10" respectively, 29" wide and 116L. I weigh 83kg in the buff. I've ridden the 9'2" x 32" x 140L Sweet Spot, and it's a hammer. I've also ridden the 9'4" x 32" x 148L Sunova Creek, and it's a sweet board. I'm considering adding the 8'10" to my quiver.

 
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 01, 2019, 07:06:53 PM
Thanks all. I prob’ shouldn’t be categorizing. There are as many answers as there are board shapes. I confess part of the goal is to add some chill comfort to the equation. Maybe I’ll just harden up instead  ;D
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: ninja tuna on April 01, 2019, 07:44:37 PM
I have a 12'6 paddle surf hawaii  hull paddler and it is a great board for what you are thinking about.  It is only kinda what you are thinking about being that it is HIGH volume.

I surf it in florida and had it out the other day because conditions absolutely sucked for smaller boards.  the waves were big but super mushy.  A carve-able face here or there but I would have never been in those sections on a lower volume board.  I have this board for cruising on long barely breaking or mushy surf. I have a couple places where I ride it way far out  and cruise.  I can carve it no problem if a face prevents itself. I am not going to rip on this thing and I know that.  I have dropped in on waves slightly overhead without much problem.  The thing is the board gets going so early, I am on waves before they are even steep enough to break.  have been caught up few times when waves jacked suddenly but could control it.  Just have to get back on the tail once on the wave to make it carve-able.

There is another thread about a custom 12 sunova.  That is supposed to be a lower volume compared with the older psh's.  You should research something like that.  Paddle surf hawaii used to make 12' gun that was real popular too.  THere are some videos around too that show how it rides.  just to get an idea.  I know these are probably bigger than what you are thinking, but they are worth a look.

https://vimeo.com/49531733

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iRt78cLHc4


also found another thread from a former member who went a similar direction.  I found his thread and will just copy it.

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Right now I'm calling it The Missing Link until I can think of a more proper name for it. Coastal Cruiser is already taken but that's really what it is.

This is the board I felt was missing in my quiver. I ordered it because all of my boards are 7'4 and under and strictly used for surfing. I felt that I needed to work on my endurance, enjoy more distance cruising/exploring while surfing on the way. My 14 x 24.75 Fanatic Falcon is an amazing open ocean distance board but kind of a pain in the but to always haul around. Plus, surfing that 14' is not ideal. Getting back out through the surf can be a challenge too.

So, Kirk made me this beauty. I wasn't looking for a race board or downwind board, just something that could cruise okay and surf okay. So the nose is very pulled in, making it easy to bust through the waves getting in and out of the surf, the tail and nose are thinned out so I could actually surf this thing.

Details:

11' 8“ x 27.75” x 4.5 @156L

The stability is very comfortable. Flat deck making it easy to stand long durations and easy to move around . Stepping back on the tail is really nice. Easy to sink the thin tail and whip it around if needed. Glide is okay, nothing fantastic. I kept the volume low so there is still some resistance and it does sit lower in the water but that makes it easier to surf and more stable/less rollie. At first I felt the board paddled a little slow so I hooked up my garmin watch for some testing and turned out the board moves pretty well. I feel that if I was back in my race/training mode, I could maintain 5mph over 4-5 mile stretch. I never did a 100% sprint run but was able to put about 90% sprint into it and got the speed up to 5.6 mph. Easy cruising at 3.8mph, moderate around 4.5, more race mode would be around 5mph. My 14' I could pace myself at 5.7-5.9 mph over 4-5 mile stretch in open ocean, calm conditions. Just to give you reference of speed.

Surfing the waves was a challenge for me at first until I figured out a few things. Need to be facing straight to get into the wave. If the board is sideways a little, the rail tends to catch and over I go. The board is long and I'm still getting used to that. Today I was able to catch waves from the 2-4' range.

The board catches the waves well and as soon as I step back, the board is pretty easy to manage. I'm just running a 9" cheapie dolphin fin for now.

The board does not catch bumps…not enough volume and not enough volume in the tail to push forward. I was not expecting to be able to catch bumps. That's what my 14' is for.

Overall, I love diversity that it brings to the quiver. I really enjoyed paddling and exploring through the kelp beds and seeing fish I've never seen before. I look forward to cruising the coastline to see what cool places I can find. Saw the biggest leopard shark I've seen today. About 20' below me and looked to be 5' long. Usually we see lots of them near the shore line, but this one was far beyond the surf lineup.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: surfercook on April 01, 2019, 08:27:30 PM
+1 for Ninja Turtle on the Paddle Surf Hawaii gun. I was raised sup surfin' on the Ripper series from PSH. Best board in 2 to 10 foot surf according to the PSH website back then(2012). True for sure. But a longboard style sup is a great addition in any sup quiver. That 12'6'' Hull paddler ain't no joke! Cool video in that big glassy mush. Dude is seriously handling that huge board.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2019, 05:03:04 AM
Every company should make a board like what we're talking about. It just needs to be low volume. Only a very small percentage of riders need more than 150 liters.

Actually, Jimmy Lewis has the right idea with the Super Frank. Make one version for lighter riders and another version for heavy riders. It seems to be an industry wide misconception that big boards need lots of volume.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Area 10 on April 02, 2019, 05:07:56 AM
Every company should make a board like what we're talking about. It just needs to be low volume. Only a very small percentage of riders need more than 150 liters.

Actually, Jimmy Lewis has the right idea with the Super Frank. Make one version for lighter riders and another version for heavy riders. It seems to be an industry wide misconception that big boards need lots of volume.
I agree - but I want boards that are longer and narrower. It was actually easier to get boards like this 10 years ago than it is now.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Night Wing on April 02, 2019, 06:34:05 AM
@ ninja tuna

Thanks of posting the videos sup surfing the 12' PSH Gun. I really enjoyed watching these two videos. I especially liked the young boy surfing his white colored PSH Gun in those small, at times, mushy type of waves.

What really caught my eye though, at the 0.51 second mark of the video, the boy is spinning the Gun around in a circle. When he was on the nose, the tail end of his board came out of the water where I could see the 4 fin quad setup he was using.

This is the same 4 fin quad setup I use on my 11'1" board. Works well in both tiny and small waves which I encountered a lot in 2018 down at Surfside, Texas.

Again, thanks for sharing both videos.

Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: supnsurf on April 06, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
The grom in the vid has some skills .
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: addapost on April 07, 2019, 04:22:22 AM

I’ve been thinking about getting a big board, primarily for relaxed cruising between breaks... but for surf. 

What are peoples’ thoughts about using an oversized performance surf shaped board instead of a longboard or large allrounder shape?

Granted if super-sized, a performance shape wouldn’t reach the performance it was designed for. BUT, if my goals do not include shredding or stylized longboarding, what harm in having decent rails and a shape that can turn?  (…and for the humility record I can’t shred or drop a knee turn.)

So specific example – The ‘appropriate’ Jimmy Lewis World Wide for my 185lb would be the 8’9 (141L).   But there is also a 9’9 x33” (171L).   Would that be a big board that is fun? … or just a big pain in the a** … ?
Find an old Laird (Pearson) 10'6" It's my all-time favorite board. Pearson got this right over 10 years ago and I haven't seen anything as good in this category (long surf board (not longboard)) that can cruise. 29" wide, 150ish L. Pin tail and razor thin rails it turns on a dime. We've all seen the vids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcuw4xGLaNk
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2019, 06:12:23 AM
The Laird Surfer 10' X 31" @ 138 liters looks even better to me. Low liters. Nice outline and super stable for those big choppy days. I think this might be the board I've been looking for.

https://lairdstandup.com/products/surfer-1

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Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Area 10 on April 07, 2019, 06:17:10 AM
The Laird Surfer 10' X 31 @ 138 liters looks even better to me.

https://lairdstandup.com/products/surfer-1
Omg, look at the carbon gun: 10'10'' long, 27.3'' wide, 4.0''   thick, 19.9   lbs, 125.6 Litres.

Holy moly. With the right waves and skill that would be AWESOME.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2019, 06:31:20 AM
I know, the Gun looks rad.  Probably wouldn't work well for the waves I surf.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Area 10 on April 07, 2019, 06:43:10 AM
I know, the Gun looks rad.  Probably wouldn't work well for the waves I surf.
Yep, me too. But that’s the nature of guns: most of the time you don’t WANT one, but when you do, you really NEED one :)

I have a PSH 12ft Gun, which works in most conditions, including tiny stuff. There is a size and shape of wave however (1-2xOH and point break type with really steep drops) when I’d like a bit more rocker, and for those kind of waves the Laird Gun could be excellent.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: burchas on April 07, 2019, 07:08:17 AM
Omg, look at the carbon gun: 10'10'' long, 27.3'' wide, 4.0''   thick, 19.9   lbs, 125.6 Litres.

Holy moly. With the right waves and skill that would be AWESOME.

I Would jump on that in heart beat. Unfortunately, it has an asymmetrical nose. Kind of limiting ;D
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2019, 07:51:59 AM
Lol. The nose doesn't look asymmetrical here.

https://lairdstandup.com/collections/boards/products/carbon-gun

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Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: burchas on April 07, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
Lol. The nose doesn't look asymmetrical here.

https://lairdstandup.com/collections/boards/products/carbon-gun

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Look again. where do you think I took this pic from ;)
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Area 10 on April 07, 2019, 08:54:16 AM
Lol. The nose doesn't look asymmetrical here.

https://lairdstandup.com/collections/boards/products/carbon-gun

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Look again. where do you think I took this pic from ;)
If it was asymmetrical, wouldn’t this be clearly indicated in the marketing blurb?
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2019, 08:58:52 AM
If it was asymmetrical, wouldn’t this be clearly indicated in the marketing blurb?


Yes it would.

I think there is some kind of illusion going on or an anomaly with the pics.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: burchas on April 07, 2019, 01:09:36 PM
If it was asymmetrical, wouldn’t this be clearly indicated in the marketing blurb?


Yes it would.

I think there is some kind of illusion going on or an anomaly with the pics.

You'd be surprised how many asymmetrical boards (and paddles) I've seen coming out of production from major brands.
This is not anomaly, just poor quality control which is also reflected on their website. I've personally dealt with two boards with
this kind of defect.

Point is, if you're board is constantly pulling to one side, don't assume it's your crappy technic, check fin box and rail line in the
nose area, you might be in for a surprise and not of the good kind.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 07, 2019, 11:49:38 PM
Quality at Laird may be a moot point. Haven’t seen any actual product availability from this new distributor. I wonder if they’re having second thoughts about the industry.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: burchas on April 08, 2019, 06:16:45 AM
Quality at Laird may be a moot point. Haven’t seen any actual product availability from this new distributor. I wonder if they’re having second thoughts about the industry.

I was thinking the same thing. If memory serves they were out of stock a year ago when I last checked.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: PonoBill on April 08, 2019, 10:36:29 AM
For just flat out running around on a board instead of standing in one place it's hard to beat a round nose. A pintail or narrow squash added to that form allows the kind of outline that can be steered from a lot of places. including the front and middle. All depends on what you plan to do with the board. I don't like big noses in big waves. Too hard to control and too easy to get blown off the wave. I hate being left behind when I was counting on the wave I chose to get me away from all the big brothers marching behind, and now it's left me standing right where the pounding will be at it's worst.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Badger on April 08, 2019, 12:27:56 PM
I think a lot depends on where you surf and the type of conditions. There are times on bigger days when I might want more of a gun outline but that's not very often. The Laird Surfer looks like it could handle a variety of New England conditions pretty well. Sometimes my 8'10 Sunova Flow just doesn't have enough stability or glide and I want a bigger board.

The main thing that sets this board apart from other 10 footers is the relatively low volume and the continuous outline curve. It's also just a nice looking board.

https://lairdstandup.com/products/surfer-1

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Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: burchas on April 08, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
I think a lot depends on where you surf and the type of conditions. There are times on bigger days when I might want more of a gun outline but that's not very often. The Laird Surfer looks like it could handle a variety of New England conditions pretty well. Sometimes my 8'10 Sunova Flow just doesn't have enough stability or glide and I want a bigger board.

The main thing that sets this board apart from other 10 footers is the relatively low volume and the continuous outline curve. It's also just a nice looking board.

https://lairdstandup.com/products/surfer-1

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If you can find one that is. It's been out of stock for ages. Maybe they paused production until they figured out how to make a symmetrical board? ;D
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: supthecreek on April 08, 2019, 10:29:35 PM

I’ve been thinking about getting a big board, primarily for relaxed cruising between breaks... but for surf. 

What are peoples’ thoughts about using an oversized performance surf shaped board instead of a longboard or large allrounder shape?

Granted if super-sized, a performance shape wouldn’t reach the performance it was designed for. BUT, if my goals do not include shredding or stylized longboarding, what harm in having decent rails and a shape that can turn?  (…and for the humility record I can’t shred or drop a knee turn.)

So specific example – The ‘appropriate’ Jimmy Lewis World Wide for my 185lb would be the 8’9 (141L).   But there is also a 9’9 x33” (171L).   Would that be a big board that is fun? … or just a big pain in the a** … ?

Hi DP

I like your thinking on this!
It is a direction many people  should have in their quiver, because it simply makes sense.

I immediately thought of two different suggestions for you.....and after reading the replies, I see that both of them have been suggested.

#1
a 9'4 or 9'7 Sunova Creek
They fit the dimensions that you seem drawn to.... and they are VERY easy surfers.
A bigger board does not need to be narrow or low volume... it simply has to be ridden correctly, as shown by that really young kid that was ripping on the 12'6 PSH.....
or when James Casey rode my 9'4 x 32 Creek and absolutely killed it on a board that was massive for his size. (5'7  185 lbs)
He wouldn't give it back to me for 2 days.... then instantly ordered a 7'10
The Creek is an easy paddler and handles any conditions.(click my email link below to buy a Creek)
James on 9'4 Creek Pic #1

Where are you located.... right now I am in Myrtle Beach
I'll be in Wrightsville NC for the ProAM
Then head north to Cape Cod at the end of April
You are welcome to try my 9'4 if any of that works for you.
(Anyone else that wants to demo my Creek or Steeze.... PM me!)

#2
If you expand your considerations to a MUCH easier paddler, to range to distant breaks, then RbGars design is going to be awesome.
12 x 32 Sunova Pointbreak

I took my 14' Search to RI so RbGar could demo at a distant pointbreak.
His custom design was based off the Search, but was altered as a SURF specific board with length and comfort to reach distant breaks.

12 x 32 Sunova Pointbreak is Pic #2
We have 8 Pointbreaks coming to the East Coast on May 2.... one is RbGars and one is mine .... click my email link below to buy a Pointbreak.

Here are 2 vids on my 14' Search, in case you have never seen them.... the 12' Pointbreak will be a major step forward in this category!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPQqHC-m6zw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RxB8xn3WAE
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 09, 2019, 10:19:45 AM

Thanks for the detailed response Rick… and I can watch those freight train Search videos over and over... 
 
I’m in the PNW, so not along your itinerary . But I will try a Creek at some point. Another I’ve identified in the giant hi-po hybrid category would be a Kazuma Milkman, but I have to wait till I’m good enough that those hyper Mondrian graphics won’t draw unwanted attention of the bad kind : )
 
But it’s all going to have to wait, because I got distracted by the OPPOSITE of high performance, which popped up as available in my backyard and screamed new toy… and I could not resist – a  JL B&B. So I’ll play with this for a while…. to force me to learn skills I normally wouldn’t.   It’s the 10x31 with concave.  Bought from a cool guy named Jim who I wouldn’t be surprised if a Zoner. Should have asked.   
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: PonoBill on April 09, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
Nice board, and a fine noserider. Find a big-ass single fin for it if there isn't one already on it. I thought about getting one of those. Ideal size for mushy PNW five directions including backwash swell.
Title: Re: Oversized performance board instead of longboard or allrounder?
Post by: Dusk Patrol on April 09, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
Find a big-ass single fin for it if there isn't one already on it.
It came with a fat 10”pivot fin and a more rakey 11” hybrid.  AND I have a 10” Fatboy “squirreled” away  ::) somewhere.