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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: DailyBread Surf Photo on March 30, 2019, 07:37:45 AM
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Surprised you guys aren't discussing this. Can't confirm specifically, but word around the campfire is that it's Jeff Clark.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BviX_3xgU2k/
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Classic Cowells!
You will always catch a wave with 10 or more of your "best friends".
You will then have to go through the slalom course of people in the water, who virtually do everything they can to get in your way, without knowing it.
I really don't think I would ever take a foil out there. But it doesn't matter if you are on a longboard, shortboard (yes some do paddle out on shortboards), SUP, Kayak, prone paddleboard, or foil, at some point you will likely hit someone or get hit by someone.
So if you paddle out at Cowells, expect the worst, and don't complain when it happens, because it will.
There are many other surf spots in town, with a lot fewer people.
That doesn't mean that they aren't crowded though. Just fewer people.
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Foiling in Santa Cruz is tricky due to the kelp. Cowells is a pretty good setup for foiling but it is either crowded or flat. I’ve foiled Cowells several times and back there this summer. Surfing at Cowells requires a great deal of situational awareness, but it can be done safely.
Dave Kalama’s comment was pretty funny.
davekalama@thewingnut he made a really, really bad decision. Foil license revoked. Somebody get him a nerf football.
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What about surfing with a dog sitting on the the nose of your :o?
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I can never understand what the atraction of surfing in crowded places? ::)
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Thank god that wasn't me. Whoever it was actually did a semi good job of not carving anyone up, but was nuts to be in that kind of crowd. Sometimes at Cowell's though, you have a clear line one moment and then an entire fleet of lemmings closes in on you. It is probably the second most bonehead-packed place in the world to surf. First is, of course, Malibu. No contest.
Dropping in with a dog is pretty special.
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Surfing with a dog is a stupid thing to do. The guy must think he's really cool.
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I never understood why anyone would foil in the lineup. Especially if its crowded.
Why not go down a ways where you can catch rides without being in the lineup? Isn't that part of the beauty of foiling?
I promise it would not go well here in the PNW
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Wheres beasho on this subject. Thought Jeff Clark was his buddy. ???
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I never understood why anyone would foil in the lineup. Especially if its crowded.
Why not go down a ways where you can catch rides without being in the lineup? Isn't that part of the beauty of foiling?
I promise it would not go well here in the PNW
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The problem is kelp. Not a lot of places that you could foil in the kelp region. Never an issue in the PNW.
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Been wondering if this video would run out of steam or go viral.
This video only shows a small portion of the whole ride and the decisions that were made.
Why foil here? In my opinion Cowells is one of, if not the best foil spot in the world. Has been foiled from calf high to triple overhead plus. Breaks year round, on just about any decent sized swell, wind protected, cleans up within hours of a front passing through, and 800+ yard rides have been recorded by several foilers.
Several of the best foilers in the world foiled Cowells this week, they were ripping so good! At least 100 people out, no one got “almost killed”. Kai Lenny foiled here last year - 360 air...
I have been quiet about this spot for several reasons. This past month the hate has been strong, lots of talk of banning foils. Seems like a good time to go public...
On the day of this video the foiler caught a wave earlier in the morning and rode 700 plus yards all the way to the pier, people were impressed, all is good.
An epic foil day, solid swell, only a handful of people in the foil zone. Tide was on the way up, so a lot of surfers and foilers had paddled in already.
There were 2 foilers out at the take off spot, which was where indictator backed off and mushed out. The surfers from outside would kick out here. Only SUP foilers were able to catch this wave and then ride into an area with no one else around.
This time last year another solid swell hit Cowells and a foiler was the only person out. This year Cowells has an epic sandbar, it's been breaking and lined up on almost all tides, very unusual.
In this video foiler catches wave from way out, rides 700 yards. When he gets close to the inner bar dog surfer looks at him and decides to go anyway (Dog boarder said something along the lines of he thought foiler was going to go left...and sounded like he was also faulting the beginner for being in the wrong spot…). Had dogboarder not burned foiler all would be good, no video, no outrage. The beginner that was landed on is reported to have been fine and laughing about the encounter. Again no issue if this biased video didn't get posted.
I suspect when the miracle sandbar washes away, the outrage will go with it. The foilers will have high tide all to ourselves again, and this whole episode will be over nothing. If not, and foil hate grows, we might need all your help keeping Cowells a legal foil spot.
For me foiling is rad, and I believe there's enough room for all craft out there.
Hoping foil love dissolves foil phobia.
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The foil had position. The dog dude shoulder hopped. The newbie was blocking in the wrong spot. It happens when it gets busy. I only have problems with wave hogs and haters. Boogie boards, short boards, foils, long boards, surf sups, race boards, wave skis, etc. are all fine as long as you are in control. If you're not stay off the main break.
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No comment.
But if I did something like this at my local I’d never be allowed back in the water.
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Wheres beasho on this subject. Thought Jeff Clark was his buddy. ???
Right, and that's Wingnut (Weaver) on the longboard, no not the surfer, the dog...
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Actually Bean, over on the Surfer Forum they’ve matched the board. It’s apparently Jeff.
Can anyone confirm this?
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The guy on the longboard is Homer Henard and his dog Skylar. They surf together all over the place.
And that's Jeff Clark on the foil board.
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That Homer Henard character must have some serious ego problems.
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I'll start by saying 'that is now how I would do it'.
The world of humans runs on social contracts. These contracts only exist in our heads AND only work if we follow them collectively.
The contract as written on the bluff of Cowells is shown below. (If you live by a different set of rules please share)
As Clay recounted Jeff was on the wave riding alone through the middle section of Cowells, because only a foil can connect that section. Homer looked at him coming down the line going right, of an unbreaking wave, and took off in front of Jeff going right.
At this point the social contract was broken by Homer.
Homer had apparently brought an entire film crew with him that day to film him and Skyler (dog). The clip starts well after Homer and Skyler were up and surfing and now there are 3 people, including guy in water, re-writing their own 'social contract' in real-time. Not-good.
I am not advocating foiling in crowds, as I stated 'that is now how I would do it' (simply straighten out or go left on the inside because my contract starts with don't crash into anyone even if they burn you) but realize that every perspective not in-line with the bench has not been collectively socialized and will lead to similar chaos.
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Fake news ???
No carnage at all. And blame the guy who got cut off.
The added distractions of a dog on a board. Seem to have lead to losing focus on the inside guys.
Just glad no one got hurt.
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dumass move all the way...if you cant control your foil you need to GTFO! >:(
https://youtu.be/uplb1f6htnU
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Well, 136,000 views and 800+ comments on Kook of the Day on Instagram have undone all Kai Lenny’s good will work.
It hit the gram today and blew up.
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Meaningless. The people who are going to hate foils will hate foils. I don't have any time for people who believe the only right way is their way. Fuck 'em.
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That is very sad... We all have a responsability, we have freedom but sometimes to keep this freedom we need to do the right choice.
Surfers hate SUP and they hate foil, so a SUP foil almost killing somebody on a crowd day, what do you expect...
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That is very sad... We all have a responsability, we have freedom but sometimes to keep this freedom we need to do the right choice.
Surfers hate SUP and they hate foil, so a SUP foil almost killing somebody on a crowd day, what do you expect...
I was holding my tongue.
I agree. Unfortunately I had to spend a year or two to gain enough respect to stand up in my local break. There are very few standies welcome there. I am just getting into foiling and would never do it even close to anyone here. This kind of negative press increases stink for standies and foilers. To me it could have easily been avoided by not foiling in a crowded lineup, regardless of who dropped in on who. Foils are sharp, snaggie and wreck even the rider/operator frequently with their erratic snapping behavior(seen in video at kick out), much more so potentially for some newbie on the inside or someone ducking the wave.
Its history now and everyone has seen it. My prone buddy(who is getting into foiling) showed it to me on instagrunt last night at the pub and all I could think if was "um yea.. thats not good" especially for foilers and even more so for standies as he was holding a broom.
Every once in a while we see a group of standies from Portland paddle out way past the line and sit outside taking most of the rides through the line on huge barges, barely in control etc. I have to admit I am embarrassed of and for them. There will always be folks kooking out.
Dog surfer kook is definitely at fault here with his lame shit, but in the end foiler dude made history, being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I'm not taking sides here but heard an interesting comment from a fellow surfer. We were discussing foil surfing and he said it was too dangerous for them to surf where others are surfing. I kind of defended foiling saying that most don't get close to surfers until they are quite competent. His comment was that foilers show up with helmets and impact vest and if they're going to surf around him, they need to bring him a helmet and vest too.
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That is very sad... We all have a responsability, we have freedom but sometimes to keep this freedom we need to do the right choice.
Surfers hate SUP and they hate foil, so a SUP foil almost killing somebody on a crowd day, what do you expect...
I agree with you completely, my point is simply that NOT foiling at Cowells won't make the haters stop hating. I've had a couple of close calls as a result of foiling in lineups with prone or SUP surfers. It doesn't even take a crowd. In one case it was just me and a longboarder in sloppy crap at the Harbor. He was letting wave after wave pass while I waited for him to take one. Finally I turned to paddle for a wave and he went, then cut a long way across the face to block me from going--way out of the pocket to do that. I backed out, but some whitewater caught me and I fell. My board bumped him. I paddled over and I apologized for screwing up his ride but he left, tight-jawed. Devin Blish was paddling out and saw the incident, and said "what, couldn't he share a wave that's 100 feet wide?" but I consider it completely my fault, I shouldn't have let my impatience push me to even start for a wave that I knew the guy might take. Especially since as limited as my head motion is, I didn't see him until he was up and coming my way.
That's a long way to say "shit happens" but foilers really can't let "shit" happen when we have stuff under our board that endangers other people. I'm glad my two incidents didn't result in other people getting hurt, but I'm not going to count on good luck.
Be careful out there.
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From Jeff: Please share wherever you see the hate:
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FEAR THE HATE NOT THE FOIL
When I became aware of the video that was posted on Instagram by @myallsnaps to promote his anti-foil objective, it was really disappointing that the truth was hidden behind sensationalism, social media and hate for something most people don't understand. Gerrin Myall's 12-second video of me flopping as I eject my board away from a surf rental visitor is a great video for @kookoftheday and every surf/hate promoting site.
What is actually happening is me riding a wave more than 400 yards before he even starts his video, and I see a guy on his board with a dog on the nose, paddling out. I see him and he sees me. And I'm thinking, no problem I'm going to get right out to the shoulder where he's paddling over the wave, and I'll be out of the zone that I don't want to be in. But former professional surfer Homer, with the dog on the nose of his board, spins around and takes off in front of me and towards me, completely blocking my ability to get out of the wave.
I own it. I don't ever want to be foiling around people. If you know anything about me, you know I don't like to surf around people, never have. Yet with my escape route blocked, I next had to deal with a bunch of surf school students who may have never been in the ocean before. This is one wave in my lifetime of waves, and I ended up in a really bad place and did everything possible to keep the foil away from man and beast.
What is really amazing to me is the amount of hate that surfers and keyboard jockeys have pent-up. The surfing message boards and media lit up with controversy promoting hate and control.
The video got over 200,000 views, caused by a pro surfer and his dog dropping in on me and captured by his personal photographer as I get stuffed. Did I think a professional surfer would disregard the safety of his dog and everyone in the water to get his video? No.
I was really bummed when it happened. I made sure everyone was ok, the guy on the soft top was all good, and we talked about how stoked he was to be in the ocean for the first time. For me, the incident was extremely disappointing but having no one hurt was the best outcome. For Gerrin Myall and Homer. it meant social media views.
As I have discovered foiling over the past few years, I realize its potential and its dangers. And through the proper guidance, education and leadership, foiling can be done safely - and not in a crowded lineup.
If I have personally wronged you, I am sorry. I am grateful for this life we get to live doing what we do. I will continue to care about the well-being of all of you and those around me.
Here is a thought that I try my best to live by:
The Lord often requires us to do things that we think sound impossible. Forgive seventy times seven? This does not mean 490 times, but boundless forgiveness, that we travel with forgiveness for those who have wronged us. Forgiveness is not always easy, especially when we have been deeply hurt or wronged, but the Lord’s command to forgive is one that can free and heal our hearts and cultivate boundless love for our neighbors.
Have a happy Easter weekend as we celebrate Jesus Christ who gave his life for us.
- Jeff Clark
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Perfectly written Jeff. Respect.
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That was a great write-up Jeff. God bless and have a great Easter.
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Ahimsa, Non violence. Forgive.
Thanks Beasho for sharing Jeff's beautiful post.
What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?
Happy Easter!
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I always thought that more of the video should have been posted. It was expertly trimmed specifically for one agenda. These days one has to be tuned to this - when we see a complete video we understand the whole context. When we see 10 seconds of video we miss the bigger picture. Unfortunately, this type of propaganda seems to be really effective.
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angels want to wear my red shoes........
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Nice of him to own it.
I’m still not sure why he didn’t pull out when he saw the dog dropping in. But I wasn’t driving the foil.
Forgiveness is truly the way. I believe that and try to live it. But it doesn’t get near the views and comments that hate does.
Also, remember kids. If you do something silly it helps to remind bloodthirsty Americans that they are supposedly Christian. In that tiny moment while they weigh their guilt vs their love of pitchforks you can run.
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The full video is out now. It gives an overall perspective of the day and the incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=143&v=BbNr5sfUm8s
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The full video is out now. It gives an overall perspective of the day and the incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=143&v=BbNr5sfUm8s
Nice to see the real situation. No fake news. A little busy for foiling though. For years I surfed near the next to out local pier. On the weekends there were always kids on boogie boards and tourist just floating. I'd avoid surfing there at those busy times.
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looks really crowded
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Here is more video showing a foiler's perspective from the day in question:
https://vimeo.com/332102168
Here is video from a ride just before the wave Homer dropped in on Jeff, this wave Jeff caught from outside and rode all the way to the pier:
https://vimeo.com/332102082
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I’ve done silly stuff and still will. People on here will view the videos. The other few hundred thousand viewers on Instagram will just think foils are dangerous and shouldn’t be allowed to surf those empty outside waves. I think the lesson has been learned and if anything we can point to this as a case where nothing bad happened.
Glad it was Jeff Clark and not me. I’d be run out of the water on a rail. Never to return. lol
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dog dude clearly dropped jeff clark--that's unarguable--and that dog dude raised his hands as tho to say he got kooked by jeff clark, speaks poorly of dog dude
but the "crime" scene is very crowded--not sure best scene for a foil---now's clay's videos show no crowds at all, where shd be no issue with foiling---maybe best to stick to the spots where clay filmed?? and avoid mixing with the hordes??
clearly jeff clark made effort, once he noticed the proner in front of him, to ditch the foil safely away---but the potential for injury is pretty obvious from the video
conundrum--a shortboard can cut a guys face off in the wrong situation--where does the line get drawn on what can safely be in the lineup or not?
many would just as soon i, on an 8'4" sup, not be in the lineup.........
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Don't know either, and haven't seen the video, but we've all been put into situations while surfing where it goes from stoked to damage mitigation in nanoseconds. I've been out surfing while Jeff has been foiling at San O, and while I remember him being there in the parking lot, I never saw him out on the water. I think he's as serious about avoiding crowds as anyone I've ever seen.
His response is exactly the kind I'd hope for from everyone I surf with. I may not have had anything to say to him as far as friendly banter goes in the past, but I'll probably mention this post the next time I see him down south. It's a testament to someone walking the walk (even with a hydrofoil beneath their feet ;) ).
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Guess we're fortunate with our break, in that much of the time it's a much better "foil" break than it is a "surfing" break, and kind of the reason most of us there went to foils in the first place...to get on the water, and off the beach complaining how crappy the conditions are, like we used to do before the foils showed up.
Great thing about the foil...when the waves look good to the SUPers/surfers, and they start showing up...that usually means that all I have to do is paddle a little further south to get to the fun "foil" waves that those folks don't want anyway...especially not "surf camp" surfers.
Just seems to me that if/when you see yourself having to foil through a bunch of surfers of all "breeds" young and old...probably time to think about finding a "foilable" wave elsewhere, or at least pull out sometime earlier in your "400 yard" ride, and not try to suck out the very last little bit of wave in the unpredictability zone of the noobies, and doggies on their boards. JMO....YMMV.
EDIT: Yes, like SlatchJim...I've foiled with Jeff at Sano on several occasions, and he's fine to foil with on the water, and fun to talk to on the beach. Lot's of stoke, a very accomplished foiler, and just a nice guy all around.
That said, hindsight is 20/20...and my thoughts are that given to do it all over again, I'd bet on Jeff making a different choice, rather than trying to foil all the way in...and into harms way as it ended up being with the unpredictability of the the whole situation. Just my guess anyway....
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Maybe the problem always was the dog.
How's this for "Thug Life"
https://www.facebook.com/Kooklife/videos/280239576197612/
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Big Moke wud punch the fins right off of that suckah!
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Maybe the problem always was the dog.
How's this for "Thug Life"
https://www.facebook.com/Kooklife/videos/280239576197612/
Wow!
And twice in the past couple months! I couldn't make this stuff up, the double standard, just wow:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvH54oUAEC_/
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Clay +1 on that vid. People are having imaginary
conversations with a dog on social media.
Dawg can't control their board. ASPCA might have a very different opinion on the entire affair..
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dog missile dude....
it's a new thing--sorta controversial in the lineup, but we're really stoked about it--we call it dog-missiling
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Maybe the problem always was the dog.
How's this for "Thug Life"
https://www.facebook.com/Kooklife/videos/280239576197612/
I am not sure how I feel about that. He doesn't seem to enjoy it all that much. Could be jealousy on my part; he might be better than me...
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Dog missile received love on Igram after running over the lady longboarder. She turned turtle and impeded the Dog Missile say the folks on Igram who are still having imaginary conversations with the Canine..
Can't wait until groms discover huge aluminum fins are faster and never break..
But I am sure they would be very responsible in order to limit ginsu carvomatic activity..
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The Inertia trying to make Nice-Nice but they did not post Jeff Clark's full reply:
https://www.theinertia.com/surf/filmer-releases-full-video-of-jeff-clarks-viral-foiling-accident-restores-faith-in-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR0uMfiV3yv3vw0HWN2zq13seAZhVDQVBF0rJ0tPiSWM2hAVJ9veBlAiNLc
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The Inertia trying to make Nice-Nice but they did not post Jeff Clark's full reply:
There's a link in the article to it....
https://www.theinertia.com/surf/jeff-clark-on-the-foiling-mishap-heard-round-the-world-fear-the-hate-not-the-foil/
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does this qualify as dog-missiling?
dog gets forward for the big drop--tail's waggin' like a mofo, and it's not so crowded......
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3cz_8HngoE/?igshid=1e6tfp46uovvz
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That's pretty awesome!
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And now he's dead. :P
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And now he's dead. :P
Dog or dude??
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The dog of course. At least I assume he is. :)