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Title: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on March 04, 2019, 04:24:54 PM
I am testing a new board with 'Plate Only' mounting.

Since I am using GoFoil and KeNalu Tuttle based foils I will need a Tuttle to Plate adapter.

Mac Kiteboarding has aluminum models that are fairly robust for $125.  But I have purchased these before and they are a bit heavy.

GoFoil has a carbon/titanium based model for $175 (+ $) shipping. 

Does anyone know how heavy / light the Carbon Tuttle adapter is vs. the Aluminum?

***Added:  Apparently the Carbon is 25.4 oz with Mounting Screws
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on March 04, 2019, 04:27:15 PM
The weight is nice on this board.   Hope she holds up: 13.8 lbs.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: exiled on March 04, 2019, 05:07:05 PM
If you are trying to stay light above all else, why not just buy the plate mount for the Ke Nalu foil rather than the adapter? That has to be the lightest option.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Bean on March 05, 2019, 07:15:02 AM
That is one clean shape Beasho. 
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on March 05, 2019, 12:49:10 PM
That is one clean shape Beasho.

Jeff said "I have a board for you!"  Valentines Red.
 
Super-Custom.  It has dual tracks on the bottom.  No leash plugs, no handle, no decking.  :o

I guess I will keep it light.

Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: fatfish on March 05, 2019, 02:03:26 PM
Beasho

What are the dims of that board?
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 05, 2019, 03:31:17 PM
Alex loaned me his carbon plate adapter for a demo. It is the most impressive adapter Iíve seen. Iíd get it.

Iíve seen the aluminum adapters open a gap in the middle when the wings are flexed hard to check stiffness of the whole rig.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: opie on March 06, 2019, 06:27:48 AM
Iíve seen the aluminum adapters open a gap in the middle when the wings are flexed hard to check stiffness of the whole rig.


Mine has some extra play due to this.  The carbon is worth it for this reason alone.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on March 06, 2019, 09:26:10 AM
What are the dims of that board?

The board is 6' 2" X  ?  X  ? X Volume = ?

Jeff Clark tends to be an 'ArTeest.'  I have been foiling with him a bunch so I am assuming he made this 'Just for me.'

Clay reports he got a board from the same batch and loves it. 

CARBON ADAPTER - I spoke with TJ at BigWinds in the Gorge yesterday.  He confirmed that the carbon adapter is NOT that much lighter than the aluminum BUT it doesn't flex, nor bend like the aluminum will.  He suggested that the aluminum has been bent when hammering off the foil base. 

$175 shipped vs. $125 for the Aluminum and I went with the CARBON.  Sounds like a similar set of feedback above. 
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: sharksupper on March 06, 2019, 09:56:09 PM
I don't know the weight of the GoFoil carbon adapter, but here is some info about a carbon one I made, the Groove carbon adapter, and the Aluminum one: 

My custom carbon adapter was 610g
Aluminum was 691g
Groove carbon was 518g

https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,33335.msg377279.html#msg377279

My advice, forget about 100-200g difference, you'll never notice it.  That said, it's a lot easier to get a foil into/out-of the carbon adapters than the aluminum one with it's CNC micro steps inside, not sure that's worth +$100-200
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: soepkip on June 28, 2019, 06:34:01 AM
Just got the Gofoil Plate adapter delivered, expensive in Europe , Ä244 including shipping.

Weight is 590gr without any screws.

They have forgotten to countersink the holes :'(

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzoPinv54vR5iEWS7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzoPinv54vR5iEWS7)
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: obvious watersports name on June 28, 2019, 02:39:18 PM
soepkip,

For Gofoil adapters that are not countersunk for the screws are supposed to have XL wake board washers with it.
 
Similar to this:  https://www.warehouse-one.de/en/slingshot/large-wakeboard-binding-locking-washer-2-pack.html (https://www.warehouse-one.de/en/slingshot/large-wakeboard-binding-locking-washer-2-pack.html)

Contact your seller and tell him you did not receive them and you are supposed to.

Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: PonoBill on June 28, 2019, 07:44:03 PM
As ovious say, you don't want the plate countersunk, That would weaken the plate a lot and create a place for failures to start.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: soepkip on June 29, 2019, 01:00:56 AM
My bad , I suppose I should use the supplied (aluminum?)rings:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw3efdyifr6w43r/GofoilRingsjpg.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw3efdyifr6w43r/GofoilRingsjpg.jpg?dl=0)

These rings do not show on the Gofoil website:
https://gofoil.com/adapter/ (https://gofoil.com/adapter/)
Gofoil: All carbon with titanium reinforcement.
Who knows where the titanium is?

Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: obvious watersports name on June 29, 2019, 01:19:19 AM
Soepkip,

That is the correct use of the washers.  Your all set on that part.

The Ti plate is molded inside the lamination to reinforce the countersink for the screw that holds the tuttle base and adapter together.
Its painted over but if you slightly scratch that area lightly (the countersink only) you will see the Ti. 
Its a 4mm thick TI plate, approx 20mm wide by 30mm long that is completly enclosed inside the lamination, the countersink is the only place you can see it.

That adapter is solid prepreg, no foam or filler.  Probably overbuilt by 5X.

Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on July 01, 2019, 06:07:41 AM
That Carbon plate adapter was so good it ripped the bottom of my board off.

I am DONE with dual tracks. This installation lasted 5 sessions.

At least with a Tuttle you HOPE the board designer put the box all the way through to the other deck.  In truth I have had 3 complete Tuttle failures including cracking the female Tuttle box half way through the box e.g. bowed out the tuttle from the middle and cracked it.

Then again in big enough conditions NOTHING WITH HOLD and there is a lot of surface area on these rigs.

Kudos to Blueplanet and Robert Stehlik. 

My Easy Foiler is the only board I have not broken of 4 total boards.   2 of my 3 other boards have had multiple box failures. 

This emphasizes the need for multiple back-ups.  The motto 1 is Zero and 2 is 1 holds true.  This applies to body parts as well. 
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on July 01, 2019, 06:12:58 AM
Whoops!  I have had 5 total foil boards.

I forgot about the Ghetto foil.  The boxes on this board didn't fail because the plate was attached to 1 X 36" Pressure Treated Plywood.

This system will hold with the "Dual Track" method. 
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: supfoo on July 02, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
I just bought a tuttle adapter that Foil Mount.com makes, its 650 grams. I have not used it on account the mounting holes for the tuttle are slotted for some reason. Doesn't look like enough meat there to make a solid connection. Gonna get the GoFoil one......
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: SUPdad on July 04, 2019, 09:17:57 PM
Beasho,
Have you seen how the tracks are mounted on the Foilsupmachines.com website? His design looks pretty bulletproof.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: Beasho on July 10, 2019, 06:43:58 PM
Here is the link to DW's site.

Nice to find a picture of MY FIRST BROKEN FOIL BOX on his site.

These dual tracks look promising but MAN what a lot of work.

https://www.supsurfmachines.com/ 
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: PonoBill on July 11, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
A lot less work than doing it twice. And actually, in effect, DW is turning the tracks into Tuttles. If I install another one I'll do this, it actually doesn't look like too much effort--but nothing ever does until I get into it.

So far, my tracks have stayed put, but they have a lot of reinforcement, added a lot of weight, and don't get used in the kind of waves you foil in. I'm surfing baby waves mostly. Anything even slightly big has been with a Tuttle, not by design, that's just what I've got.
Title: Re: Tuttle Plate Adapter Aluminum vs Carbon Weight
Post by: blueplanetsurf on July 11, 2019, 10:32:41 AM
Hi Beasho,
Good to hear the 6'6 Easy Foiler is still going strong.  As you know I put heavy use on that board for almost a year before selling it to you.  We improved the layup of our Foil Strongbox to make it lighter without giving up strength and we will have these in stock at the end of July. I think it's the strongest way to install both a Tuttle and plate mount into a board, you might want to replace the failed track with the foil strongbox.