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Title: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: sharksupper on February 28, 2019, 01:47:08 PM
Hey guys, been out for the past 2.5 months due to the fact that I broke my arm in half mountain biking, oops.  While healing I ordered a GoFoil 29" mast to upgrade my triple wing set.  I've already broken one 24.5" mast and the replacement (I had to pay for -$600) is also fatigued and sloppy after just several sessions.  Last weekend I had my first outing on the board with the new mast.  I'm still missing 50%+ of movement in my wrist in a few directions, but limping it along I was able to catch some waves and access the new mast.  Winner!  The new/bigger mast is much stiffer and more stable than the originals, massive difference in feel... I'm using the M200 set to evaluate here.  Instead of it feeling like I have a big flexible spring between the board and the wing, it now feels like I'm in control and now, not a second after I weight shift.  I was able to pump back out 4 times with the added length, and haven't noticed any additional drag due to the larger mast (thickness/width)  The old mast was 27.5" and I used a track box adapter with it.  Anyone else switch and notice the difference?
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on February 28, 2019, 03:12:26 PM
Yes, demoed them all. Big difference in board stability too.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 01, 2019, 05:57:00 PM
Yup, I have two 24" masts that I will probably never use again. I'd like to have a 24" made like the 29" though--it gets kind of shallow sometimes. Yesterday I hit a submerged couch cushion at full speed. My board stopped, I didn't. Any doubts I might have had about my front strap holding my foot in a serious crash are gone--I didn't even feel my foot come out of the strap. Just bam, gone.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: paddlur on March 02, 2019, 08:28:59 PM
Yup, I have two 24" masts that I will probably never use again. I'd like to have a 24" made like the 29" though--it gets kind of shallow sometimes. Yesterday I hit a submerged couch cushion at full speed. My board stopped, I didn't. Any doubts I might have had about my front strap holding my foot in a serious crash are gone--I didn't even feel my foot come out of the strap. Just bam, gone.
Agree with you Bill hopefully GF will make a new 24Ē mast to same standards as the 29Ē mast which I currently have and like,as sometimes depending on spots and tides etc a 24Ē mast comes in handy in certain situations.problem is in my case trying to find a fit for my wings with a 24Ē mast/fuse as I have the maliko/Iwa combo with its serial# not sure how that all works trying mix and match another mast to be compatible?
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 02, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
It's not that hard to get the fit to work. A little sanding inside the wing or stabilizer. Or if the wing fit is too loose, as my Maliko 200 and Iwa were on my 29" mast, I just used a bit of aluminum tape for a shim. It's perhaps a few thousandths difference at most. Today I needed to rework the fit of a Malio stabilizer that was too tight on my 29" mast. I could see that the inside of the stabilizer had some high spots, so I folded some coarse sandpaper several times to make it stiff and used it as a file inside the stab. It didn't take much to eliminate the high points. Then I put chalk on the fuselage and hammered the stabilizer on, then popped it off and looked at the pattern left on the fuselage. There were two obvious high points with all the chalk rubbed off. I cleaned these up, then rubbed the joint with a little silicon grease, and the stabilizer pops on with a light hammer blow, no wiggle.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Califoilia on March 02, 2019, 10:41:35 PM
I'm curious, are you guys using the 29.5" in a Tuttle, or throwing it in an adapter, and running it at 32"....and any idea why GF choose to go an inch different with the Tuttle mount, and adapter mount instead making them both 29 or 29.5"?

I like the idea of going 29.5", but don't like the automatic limits of placement that comes with it in a Tuttle box, and would like to have more than just the 1.5" gain I'd get with the 28.5" adapter version from what I have with the 24" Tuttle in an adapter, and the 27" mounted that I'm running now.

The 29.5 in an adapter making it 32.5" seems just a little too long, especially with the shallows that we're stuck with a lot of the time with the tides, and reef settings we have at Sano. IOWs, I've got a banged up enough wing with the 27" mast, and can only imagine what it'd look like if it were another 5.5" longer. :o

Or maybe I'm just overthinking it all...as I have a tendency to do.  :-[ :)

Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 04, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
The extra 5" is mostly an issue when you're paddling out or moving around in shallow water. It really hasn't been a significantly different issue for me, I'm just overthinking it too in wanting a stiffer 24". The stiffness and enhanced control is the biggest value. I don't overfoil often with the 29", but I probably wouldn't with a 24" once I had a little more flying time on it.

The best of the foilers seem to be on plate mounts, but I really don't see how the adjustment is a benefit. I watch them move the plate, try it, come back in, move again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Probably more of an issue on the prone boards than SUP. I've never felt that I needed to change the position of my Tuttle. If I had a plate mount, I'd be fiddling with it. Sometimes less is more, especially if your name is Les Moore.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 04, 2019, 01:52:31 PM
The best of the foilers seem to be on plate mounts, but I really don't see how the adjustment is a benefit.
I can feel a 1/4Ē change in mast location. Annoying when itís not spot on.

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If I had a plate mount, I'd be fiddling with it. Sometimes less is more, especially if your name is Les Moore.
So true. Just yesterday, I made a friend who has been struggling, stop screwing around with the location and put it where I told him. I even took a sharpe to his board and marked it. He had his best session ever.

Consumers.....ugh, they can do some crazy stuff.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Califoilia on March 04, 2019, 02:18:36 PM
The extra 5" is mostly an issue when you're paddling out or moving around in shallow water. It really hasn't been a significantly different issue for me, I'm just overthinking it too in wanting a stiffer 24". The stiffness and enhanced control is the biggest value. I don't overfoil often with the 29", but I probably wouldn't with a 24" once I had a little more flying time on it.
Seems as though "stiffness and enhanced control" is a common denominator in more than one are of life, so maybe I'll have to look into the more beef mast.

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The best of the foilers seem to be on plate mounts, but I really don't see how the adjustment is a benefit. I watch them move the plate, try it, come back in, move again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Probably more of an issue on the prone boards than SUP. I've never felt that I needed to change the position of my Tuttle. If I had a plate mount, I'd be fiddling with it. Sometimes less is more, especially if your name is Les Moore.
Yes, and no wrt to moving the mast. Yes, once I find the right spot for the dims of the board I don't move it. But before that, I find it takes a couple sessions to get it right where I want it on a new board, so don't want to trust that we got the Tuttle in exactly the right spot for any given board with a lucky stab in the dark while it's getting made.

Believe it or not, I'm able to feel a noticeable difference in as little as 1/4 to 1/2" difference in mast placement one way of the other...in how/when the board comes out of the water, and how the back end stays in place or wants to wander at higher speeds setting up when going into a hard(er) turn.

Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 04, 2019, 09:57:40 PM
I can understand that for a prone surfer on the board that's shorter than a lunch tray, but for a SUP it seems a little weird. You have extra board hanging off in both the front and back. Coming off the water, OK, I'll give you that, but unless your board has some rocker in the plate area changing the AOA, then what can moving the foil possibly do to stability that isn't the same as moving your straps or feet?
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 05, 2019, 07:12:15 AM
I can understand that for a prone surfer on the board that's shorter than a lunch tray, but for a SUP it seems a little weird. You have extra board hanging off in both the front and back. Coming off the water, OK, I'll give you that, but unless your board has some rocker in the plate area changing the AOA, then what can moving the foil possibly do to stability that isn't the same as moving your straps or feet?

Bill I think youíre perspective is skewed by Hawaiian wave power. Come to Florida and try foiling knee high waves with no push. Everything is so easy with wave power. Very little matters. But hit the limits of what is possible, OMG youíll leave with your tail dragging, flat exhausted, and frustrated. There are so many people here struggling. It seems like Iím the only one giving them hope because I make it look easy. Not because Iím talented, I have just been doing it longer than anyone I know on a SUP around here.

Iíd love to give technical reasons why, but canít really. It just is the way it is.

Iíve always had a talent for sorting and dialing gear. Thatís why Ken Winner sent me prototypes for years. He said I was better than some of the team riders at that.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 05, 2019, 10:05:23 AM
Actually, we ride a lot of shit, gutless waves. Especially this year. As I'm progressing I'm trying to think of the foil, not the board. Once I'm in the air what matters is foot position and pitch angle. What I'm getting at about plate vs. Tuttle is that people with plates move the plate, people with Tuttles move the straps. As long as the plate area is flat, it's pretty much the same thing though it's a more sensitive adjustment. But from what I've seen, people with plates fiddle a lot more. Probably because changing strap position is fussy, and changing foot position on a strapless board is guesswork. If you move the plate back a half inch you're moving both the front and back foot back that much. Moving the front foot half an inch is a big change, so I'm not surprised at all that moving the plate a quarter inch is a lot. Though what I see people doing generally is a lot bigger movement than that.

Possibly the best thing about a plate is that you can optimize the board for coming off the water, which is a bitch when the waves are punky. And it's one more thing that can be adjusted.  I think people tend to stick with what worked for them the first time, and then adapt to the flaws in that setup.

I'm switching to two straps to get the adjustments more consistent--I think my back foot is creeping forward. Hopefully that will also help me tighten my turns and pump better. Mr. Fugly needs all the help it can get for pumping. It's been a long time since I windsurfed every chance I got, but I remember the feeling of getting my foot in the back strap: "NOW I'm in control."
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 05, 2019, 11:13:34 AM
When the board is really small, and at the limits of what can float you, and what you can stand on, there becomes only one place you ďcanĒ stand. So that foil needs to be located exact for efficiency in the pump and paddle. Zero margin.

Then factor in how much the trim of just the board alone on the water itself changes with just the slightest error in foot placement. Think elephant on a sinker. All of a sudden the board isnít trimmed ideal for the foil to fly super easy.

So many people jump on my personal board and fail. Totally clueless that feet need to go in only one place or you fall. Unless youíre my wifeís weight. She can dance on anything.

Get it right, oh boy is the performance high.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 05, 2019, 01:07:22 PM
Yeah, I get that. My SimSUP was like that for surfing. Just to stand up on it I had to get my front foot in the right spot before heaving myself up. I actually marked it with tape. An inch forward in the nose sunk, an inch back and the tail sunk. That's the problem with short, narrow potato chips, and for most folks my 8'8" 29" simsup is anything but short and narrow.

Given my geezer balance and weight, I think I'm doomed to be on larger boards. Mr. Fugly is horrifically huge, but in the slop and chop, it's a big fat miracle. I can stand and paddle in junk that much fitter surfers are crawling through. I like the design of your boards a lot, but I doubt I'd be able to ride your largest size in anything but glassy waves.

I'm working hard to lose weight, but my body seems to be working harder to keep it.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: opie on March 06, 2019, 08:29:45 AM
Dwight, I've been trying to figure out where to put my mast on the 5'11" I got from you.  Where exactly do you put yours?

I was planning on asking you via email but maybe I am not the only person wondering.

(By the way I love the board.  It makes me better,  like I "bought " some talent. :))
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 06, 2019, 10:25:51 AM
Dwight, I've been trying to figure out where to put my mast on the 5'11" I got from you.  Where exactly do you put yours?

I was planning on asking you via email but maybe I am not the only person wondering.

(By the way I love the board.  It makes me better,  like I "bought " some talent. :))

Email me.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Cardiff Sweeper on March 06, 2019, 01:54:05 PM
The best of the foilers seem to be on plate mounts, but I really don't see how the adjustment is a benefit.
I can feel a 1/4Ē change in mast location. Annoying when itís not spot on.

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If I had a plate mount, I'd be fiddling with it. Sometimes less is more, especially if your name is Les Moore.
So true. Just yesterday, I made a friend who has been struggling, stop screwing around with the location and put it where I told him. I even took a sharpe to his board and marked it. He had his best session ever.

Consumers.....ugh, they can do some crazy stuff.


I've had ten sessions on a prone 4'6" board with a 26" mast and have a feeling that:

a) I'm doing something wrong
b) The mast plate is in the wrong position
c) Both

My longest ride has probably been 5 seconds.

Foiling is scarce in these parts, and I need to meet up with an experienced person to graciously give me some pointers.

/back to the topic at hand.  I just wanted to chime in.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Califoilia on March 06, 2019, 02:14:21 PM
Cardiff, c'mon up to Sano sometime...almost always several "experienced" foilers (prone or SUP) in the water or on the beach who'd be more than happy to chat with you to get you going.

Knowing how well you SUP, I'm gonna lean more towards a little tweaking of setup, and a couple quick pointers would be all that's needed to get you up, and flying all over the place in no time.

Let me know if/when you're heading up, and I'd be happy to meet up, and share what I know from the SUP side of things, and introduce you to some of the prone guys who would probably be a lot more help to you on that side of things if you like.

Cheers.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 06, 2019, 03:22:07 PM
The best of the foilers seem to be on plate mounts, but I really don't see how the adjustment is a benefit.
I can feel a 1/4Ē change in mast location. Annoying when itís not spot on.

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If I had a plate mount, I'd be fiddling with it. Sometimes less is more, especially if your name is Les Moore.
So true. Just yesterday, I made a friend who has been struggling, stop screwing around with the location and put it where I told him. I even took a sharpe to his board and marked it. He had his best session ever.

Consumers.....ugh, they can do some crazy stuff.


I've had ten sessions on a prone 4'6" board with a 26" mast and have a feeling that:

a) I'm doing something wrong
b) The mast plate is in the wrong position
c) Both

My longest ride has probably been 5 seconds.

Foiling is scarce in these parts, and I need to meet up with an experienced person to graciously give me some pointers.

/back to the topic at hand.  I just wanted to chime in.

Stand upright, donít hunch over like youíre barrel riding.
Newbies hunch over, too scared to stand upright and usually with a wide stance. All bad.

Listen to Kai explain why. Itís the easiest way to spot someone who has foiled forever versus the new guy.
Just be aware you canít do anything about the wide stance if youíre strapped. You have to use wide with straps because you canít just walk forward when needed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_678k8pWV8
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Cardiff Sweeper on March 06, 2019, 04:36:47 PM
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Thanks. I've watched every video I can find about prone foiling.

It's hard to analyze what I'm doing wrong. But after every failed wave, I try to.
Unfortunately, I've fell so many times, my neck is whiplashed and I'm about to put foiling on the back burner unless I see some serious progress in the next session.

I'll get one wave each time that feels just right, but then the foil turns a certain way and I don't flow with the direction, causing me to eat it.  The one time I did flow with the turn, the foil made a quick u-turn back out to sea and I fell.

It's a major ego-blow and physically hurts.  I can catch twenty waves on my SUP in one afternoon and never fall.
The challenge is good, but maybe I should've gotten a SUP-foil instead of a prone board.


(https://i.imgur.com/zDOaylA.jpg?1)
*again, sorry for hijacking the thread.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 06, 2019, 05:02:54 PM
I know of at least 2 guys who were forced to get lessons being towed by skis. No shame in doing that if it gets you over the hump.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 06, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
Cardiff, you definitely chose the hard way given your skill on small SUPs. It took me ten sessions to get the foil up without immediately falling, and twenty more to stay up long enough to think about things like turning or pumping. I'm reasonably certain I'd never get anywhere on a prone foil, if only because 1 day of longboard surfing costs me three days of recovery for my back and shoulders. Stick that thing on a foil SUP board of any variety and you'll be at it right away. The same skills you have from managing super short SUPs translates immediately, except the one that has you putting weight on your back leg on a steep drop.

Any board you can get from Craigslist will work to get you rolling, something in the 5'6" to 6' range would be ideal, but really, anything but what you have.

Bottom line, if I can do it, you can do it. We both know that's true.

Also, don't try to turn right out of the gate. Don't even get too far off the water. Pick the foil up, then put it down. Repeat that until you have pitch control comfortably in hand. Then bring the foil up higher and hold it there. Focus on facing forward, and controlling your front foot pressure by pushing your hips forward, not leaning. Pump a little just to get a feel for it. You don't have to do anything fancy to pump, just push up and down. Lifting a little with your front foot then pressing down with both is the easy way to learn. the guys that pump the hardest and longest don't even do anything that complex. They just heave their weight up and down, swinging their arms. The front wing does all the work.

If you take off on a bit of an angle instead of going straight it's easier to stay in the energy without thinking too much about turning, Turning comes later. Apparently a lot later since I still suck at it.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: sharksupper on March 06, 2019, 09:32:06 PM
Get behind a boat for an hour, problem solved.

^
Thanks. I've watched every video I can find about prone foiling.

It's hard to analyze what I'm doing wrong. But after every failed wave, I try to.
Unfortunately, I've fell so many times, my neck is whiplashed and I'm about to put foiling on the back burner unless I see some serious progress in the next session.

I'll get one wave each time that feels just right, but then the foil turns a certain way and I don't flow with the direction, causing me to eat it.  The one time I did flow with the turn, the foil made a quick u-turn back out to sea and I fell.

It's a major ego-blow and physically hurts.  I can catch twenty waves on my SUP in one afternoon and never fall.
The challenge is good, but maybe I should've gotten a SUP-foil instead of a prone board.


(https://i.imgur.com/zDOaylA.jpg?1)
*again, sorry for hijacking the thread.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Califoilia on March 06, 2019, 09:35:20 PM
It's a major ego-blow and physically hurts.  I can catch twenty waves on my SUP in one afternoon and never fall.
The challenge is good, but maybe I should've gotten a SUP-foil instead of a prone board.
If you want to try that route before hanging up the foil...hit me up. I've got a 7'3x28.5, and a 5'11"x28.5 that I'd have no problem setting you up with your KeNalu on either one, heading out with you, and throwing some pointers your way.

Btw, both are setup with front foot straps...and from your description of....
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I'll get one wave each time that feels just right, but then the foil turns a certain way and I don't flow with the direction, causing me to eat it.  The one time I did flow with the turn, the foil made a quick u-turn back out to sea and I fell.
....it sounds to me that your front foot is slightly off one way or the other, and it's automatically telling the board you want to turn even though you're not really wanting it to, and not ready for body position wise. The front foot strap eliminates most all of that.

Boats are fine but many of us have learned w/o them if one's not readily available. Just saying..
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: sharksupper on March 06, 2019, 09:38:45 PM
I got lucky and my board has dual boxes, so I'm now using the tuttle for the first time ever foiling.  I was running my track about in the middle with the short mast+adapter, so no change in stance was needed, however, I can imagine some people missing the adjustability.  I can tell you it was a whole lot easier adjusting the pitch of the foil by shimming the tuttle box rather than creating a shim for the track box (which I did when I was using an adaptor with the 24.5" mast).  Sure would be nice if they beefed up the 24.5" mast, my was cracked and loose after less than a dozen sessions.  Unless they can make more money beefing it up I doubt it'll ever happen, so probably never.  :(

I'm curious, are you guys using the 29.5" in a Tuttle, or throwing it in an adapter, and running it at 32"....and any idea why GF choose to go an inch different with the Tuttle mount, and adapter mount instead making them both 29 or 29.5"?

I like the idea of going 29.5", but don't like the automatic limits of placement that comes with it in a Tuttle box, and would like to have more than just the 1.5" gain I'd get with the 28.5" adapter version from what I have with the 24" Tuttle in an adapter, and the 27" mounted that I'm running now.

The 29.5 in an adapter making it 32.5" seems just a little too long, especially with the shallows that we're stuck with a lot of the time with the tides, and reef settings we have at Sano. IOWs, I've got a banged up enough wing with the 27" mast, and can only imagine what it'd look like if it were another 5.5" longer. :o

Or maybe I'm just overthinking it all...as I have a tendency to do.  :-[ :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Califoilia on March 06, 2019, 10:08:06 PM
I got lucky and my board has dual boxes, so I'm now using the tuttle for the first time ever foiling.  I was running my track about in the middle with the short mast+adapter, so no change in stance was needed, however, I can imagine some people missing the adjustability.
Yeah, I as I've mentioned, I don't adjust once I find "the spot", so if you're Tuttle was right where you'd been running the mast in the tracks then yes, it makes sense that you shouldn't feel any difference...very cool.

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I can tell you it was a whole lot easier adjusting the pitch of the foil by shimming the tuttle box rather than creating a shim for the track box (which I did when I was using an adaptor with the 24.5" mast).  Sure would be nice if they beefed up the 24.5" mast, my was cracked and loose after less than a dozen sessions.  Unless they can make more money beefing it up I doubt it'll ever happen, so probably never.  :(
Yeah, the boards I've had made, we made sure that the bottom was exactly parallel to the deck, and thusly, haven't found any need to shim to adjust the pitch (assuming you're talking about the angle of attack). The only board I ever needed to shim was one I borrowed that had excessive rocker for a foil board, but that was as easy as putting a couple washers under each of the rear holes of the adapter to level things all out.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Piros on March 17, 2019, 05:28:34 PM
Cardiff all good advise above here is one more tip , if you are getting boosted on the take off put your foil as far back as it goes and even drill 2 more holes on the track plate to get it back another inch or two. This will let get to your feet before the foil starts to lift , once you nail the starts then start inching it forward. Also practice getting up on your board at home (with no foil in it) and watch where your feet land , you will be very surprised how wrong they are. Unlike the Sup where you are already on your feet it's critical your feet land somewhere near where they need to be.

Break up the take off like this 1/ When you think you are on take 2 more strokes 2/ push up on the arms first arching your back to keep the foil down 3/ Front foot first then back foot don't try the double pop until you master this 1,2 3 phase. I hadn't prone surfed for 10 years and this is what got me going.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: frenchfoiler on March 17, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
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Thanks. I've watched every video I can find about prone foiling.

It's hard to analyze what I'm doing wrong. But after every failed wave, I try to.
Unfortunately, I've fell so many times, my neck is whiplashed and I'm about to put foiling on the back burner unless I see some serious progress in the next session.

I'll get one wave each time that feels just right, but then the foil turns a certain way and I don't flow with the direction, causing me to eat it.  The one time I did flow with the turn, the foil made a quick u-turn back out to sea and I fell.

It's a major ego-blow and physically hurts.  I can catch twenty waves on my SUP in one afternoon and never fall.
The challenge is good, but maybe I should've gotten a SUP-foil instead of a prone board.


(https://i.imgur.com/zDOaylA.jpg?1)
*again, sorry for hijacking the thread.

Cardiff, I've done some foil lessons at Sano, don't hesitate to contact me.

Usually beginners don't choose the right wave, you need to find the waves that are gonna make things easier for you.
You need a really small wave, mushy that gives you a little push and that rolls into deep water so you are riding only the swell, you don't want any turbulence. Don't try to get direction, you want to go straight first and learn how to control the lift.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: PonoBill on March 17, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
Even on a SUP a lot of the people who struggle endlessly simply have their feet in the wrong position. People who want to take off paddling with their feet in a surfing position and then switch to foil rarely progress. If you want to control the foil your feet need to be in the right position and you need to rotate your trunk to face forward, not to the side.

I was having a lot of trouble turning to the toe side and finally realized that my rear foot was not along the centerline of the board, but rather was about four inches toward the rail. I corrected that and sudden'y turning to the toe side is easy, and backside turns are screwed.

Bottom line, your feet need to be on the center line, back foot on the mast, front foot wherever you are most comfortable, but probably fairly far forward. It's a terrible position to ask a surfer to maintain, but that's what it takes. I also struggle to keep mu head up and use my hips and knees to move weight forward, But when your get all that right, progress comes much faster.

It's still a grind. Most of the folks that are pretty good have been at it for a few years. There are the rare few that seem to click in much quicker than that, but most experienced surfers suffer a bit.
Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: soepkip on March 17, 2019, 11:21:20 PM
Yeah, the boards I've had made, we made sure that the bottom was exactly parallel to the deck, and thusly, haven't found any need to shim to adjust the pitch (assuming you're talking about the angle of attack).The only board I ever needed to shim was one I borrowed that had excessive rocker for a foil board, but that was as easy as putting a couple washers under each of the rear holes of the adapter to level things all out.

I am also struggling with a board with too much rocker in the plate area.
I made a shim 0->6 mm shim but it is still not enough...Perhaps I should put some washers between the shim and the plate.
No custom Supfoilbuilders where I live so I am considering getting a Jimmy Lewis Flying V 5'11x28,5 @105 liter
But I have to be sure that The bottom of the Flying V is parallel to the deck..

My non foil sup is a Starboard Hypernut 7'2x28 @106 liter I didn't last very long on it when choppy, now I am foiling this board is too difficult!

My present foil sup is 7'0x28 @115 liter no problem even when it is choppy..

I weigh 85kg / 185 lbs  and wonder if the 5'11 @105 liter will be big enough
1'1 shorter. 10 liter less, 0,5" wider than my present Foilsup.

85 kg + 3 kg wetsuit + 7 kg board + 4 kg foil + 0,5 kg paddle = 99,5 kg ...

Title: Re: GoFoil 29" mast upgrade
Post by: Califoilia on March 18, 2019, 11:54:18 PM
Yeah, the boards I've had made, we made sure that the bottom was exactly parallel to the deck, and thusly, haven't found any need to shim to adjust the pitch (assuming you're talking about the angle of attack).The only board I ever needed to shim was one I borrowed that had excessive rocker for a foil board, but that was as easy as putting a couple washers under each of the rear holes of the adapter to level things all out.

I am also struggling with a board with too much rocker in the plate area.
I made a shim 0->6 mm shim but it is still not enough...Perhaps I should put some washers between the shim and the plate.
No custom Supfoilbuilders where I live so I am considering getting a Jimmy Lewis Flying V 5'11x28,5 @105 liter
But I have to be sure that The bottom of the Flying V is parallel to the deck..

My non foil sup is a Starboard Hypernut 7'2x28 @106 liter I didn't last very long on it when choppy, now I am foiling this board is too difficult!

My present foil sup is 7'0x28 @115 liter no problem even when it is choppy..

I weigh 85kg / 185 lbs  and wonder if the 5'11 @105 liter will be big enough
1'1 shorter. 10 liter less, 0,5" wider than my present Foilsup.

85 kg + 3 kg wetsuit + 7 kg board + 4 kg foil + 0,5 kg paddle = 99,5 kg ...
Yeah, from the sounds of it the 105 liters will probably be little volume for you to make it fun in all conditions.

I'm 200 lbs (not figuring in wetsuit, board, foil, or paddle weight), and have a 5'11"x28.5"x4.5" @ 105 liters which is fine in glass through a little light chop to stand on and paddle, but is a little to shy on volume when it comes to paddling into a wave unless I time my first paddle stroke perfectly. Because when I lean forward to reach for it, the lack of volume causes the nose to push under water, and I have to pull back above it with that first stroke to get going, in order to then make my first paddle and pump on the second, and subsequent strokes to paddle/pump into the wave.

However, once there's any kind of wind chop on it that's starting any kind of whitecaping at all...the board becomes too much of a handful to stand and paddle to make it any fun any longer.

I then went to 6'0"x29"x4.75" @ 115 liters, and it's fun in all conditions, and pumps much easier into the wave, as the nose doesn't submarine nearly as much as the other. We also changed outlines to take foam out of the tail and put it in the nose of the second board to help sink the tail, and float the nose better/higher when I reach forward on first paddle stroke....
(https://i.imgur.com/35Ggjl2.jpg?1) (https://i.imgur.com/XZaZ48S.jpg?1)
(Yes, I don't have 'em shaped for looks, but rather for how they go. :) )
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