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Stand Up Paddle => SUP General => Topic started by: oldfartsuperdad on January 16, 2019, 09:59:32 AM
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Interested to hear about other SUPSurfer experiences. I recently found a used longboard skateboard at the local Goodwill - thinking I might play around with it a bit. Long story short - I found extensive online help converting it to electric using inexpensive Chinese motorized wheels and electronics combined with RC Lipo batteries. This thing has been a total gas to drive around my neighborhood and out on the local bike trails. Getting 12 to 14 miles to a charge and have probably put a hundred miles on it so far.
I find the balance and turning to be very compatible with surfing - it is going to help my backside balance definitely. The only drawback seems to be ignoring my wife and neighbors stink eye as this 60 plus year old zooms around the neighborhood in helmet and body armor being chased by random dogs and kids. I was never a skateboarder as a kid and I'm a skier not a snowboarder - but man, this thing is a ton o fun and I really think it may be a way to keep current and possibly improve during my dry time on land. I'm starting to think an E-Foil project may be in the works although that one looks expensive.....
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One wheel is the closest thing to surfing I have ever ridden on land. You might check it out.
Costs more, dress for the ride or end up like me, ko'd over an hour to awaken with heavenly
nurses and docs stichen me up.
It carves, accelerates and decelerates much like a surfboard. Toss it on the sand and carve up
the beach watching the surf, turn around, switch stance, carve and watch the surf going back.
I would get several miles of use then head back, charge and do over.
Now the grandkids line up to use.
Many u tube videos available to see in use.
Old fart I am older than u and gave up skateboards long ago.
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non sequitur----sort of....
any chance you can link sources for the wheels etc you used??
very curious
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I'm with your wife on this one.
There is enough electric shit in this world. Simplify don't electrify.
Set an example for the neighbor kids.
Go catch a wave.
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Ha...definitely wave catching is the priority.....there is a lot of land time in between and this is a fun way to maintain muscle memory....btw....we drive EV and may be solarizing the house soon....my electricity comes from hydro and is way cleaner than the gas powered shit that my neighbor kids are using to blow leaves and whack the lawn...the wife is more concerned about me breaking my neck.. 8).
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I had a metroboard skateboard which lasted about as long as the warranty (6 months). I had several motors fail on me, belts break after 100 miles, and the battery fail (a couple bad cells). The board was expensive and I was hoping to get 7 years out of it. I needed 8 miles each way to commute to the train/work. The range was supposed to be 10, but quickly became shorter with time. Now it gets about a mile between charges. In hindsight, only use the battery for no more than 50% of what it is rated for, else you will damage a cell. The metroboard battery cell is made so you can't swap out a bad cell, you have to replace the entire pack (poor design).
I used the board to commute to work (16 miles/day) at about 50 miles/ week. I kitesurf and noticed an improvement in my leg longevity (strength). Skateboarding uses a bunch of little muscles. Doing other activities like running/biking doesn't hit those muscles groups. I would imagine that riding an electric skateboard would help your legs with SUP. The onewheel board XR is appealing to me as you don't have to worry about ground clearance damaging belts, and looks like a more comfortable riding stance with respect to the hips.
I have since retired my electric skateboard, and have replaced it with a long distance pumper skateboard. This board is designed to have loose front trucks that are wedged, and tight rear trucks that are dewedged. The result is a board that you can pump (think of a worm drive). This is good exercise (better than an electric skateboard). I prefer it to an electric skateboard. It is cheaper, lighter, and has more range.
Unfortunately, the push/pump tended to aggravate an old snowobard knee injury so I thought I was going to have to give it up.
Then I saw riders like Mo Freitas use a land paddle. Now I use a land paddle when I long distance pump. This limits the number of times I have to push with my leg. I can rotate between foot push, board pump, and stick push. My hips appreciate this new setup. I try to mix in switch stance to balance the muscle group usage.
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One Wheel for sure. Over 300 views! I’m practically fameoose.
https://youtu.be/LAQY-COxpcw
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That's really cool Bean , I loved my Fiik Street Surfer this thing is so cool go anywhere and you are right it's a really good leg work out plus you can carve this thing on the beach like you are surfing. It's all terrain and thats why I got rid of it because I could see a big crash coming on the bitumen , just didn't trust myself anymore but it's so much fun. It's Lithium battery and plenty around second hand these things are built like tanks can't hurt them but really heavy to carry around.
https://vimeo.com/285682063
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would like on those one wheel board but the price is ridiculous in Aus is $3000 and copied is around $1200+ and that's a price of another nice board :)
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I did the manual route a few years ago with a stick-as-paddle and a series of longboards. I live on a rural road with no traffic but it's chip-n-tar with the only relatively smooth areas are where car tires have leveled it. I say; Fuc'm to the 'Look at the geezer on a skateboard with a crutch' folks but I could not ignore the get-offs. There are some hard landings available to anyone who seems to seek them out....
Jim
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+11 on the One Wheel. Yes, it's expensive. Yes, it's completely stupid.
But sooooo fun--and I need that in my life. There's a bit of a learning curve and you can really get hurt. I've had a few major wipeouts so you won't catch me without a helmet and bitch mittens, but they were rider error. While I'm a little too far away from work to commute, I often park my truck at the beach a few blocks away from my office and then ride from there--means I end the day with a longer loop along the water. And there's something really fun about a weekend cruise (or "float" as the Onewheelers call it) for about 19mi. It's certainly built on the foundational balance I got from SUP.
At times I feel it might be a little ridiculous being a guy in his 50s riding around on a toy, but given what they cost I don't think that many kids can actually afford them. That, and I'm beyond caring what I look like.
Float on!
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In a long and foolish life of risking life and limb, the injuries that did damage that I deal with every day are from skateboards and rollerblades. 50+ years of Racing cars and motorcycles on street, dirt and ice, windsurfing, surfing, getting dragged around by a kite, mountain climbing, hunting and fishing in difficult places, etc. did no lasting damage except one shoulder injury.
I have a longboard and street paddle, and an electric skateboard I built that has far too much power. Occasionally I armor myself and venture forth, looking as creaky and nutty as Don Quixote, but I always manage to take a fall that rattles everything even if it doesn't add to the long list of infirmities.
I think these things are best left to people who heal quickly, with the understanding that there may not be any such thing as an injury without future consequence.
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Love my one wheel and hamboard. If you ride the one wheel... the beach is the way to go. Nothing is replacing the real thing but it has a great ride.
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One Wheel for sure. Over 300 views! I’m practically fameoose.
https://youtu.be/LAQY-COxpcw
Is that you, Bean?
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Yes, doing my gingerbread man impression ;D
It looks like I’m right on the shore line, but we actually waded out to a nice hard sandbar.
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skated pools and pipes for years......40+ years ago....no mas.....water is soft
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Yes, doing my gingerbread man impression ;D
It looks like I’m right on the shore line, but we actually waded out to a nice hard sandbar.
Actually, I was going to shoot a compliment your way. You look pretty poised and in-control on that thing. Always wanted to get one, but the $1,600 price tag kept scaring me off.
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Thanks Zoo, I can say that while they are worth the price, they are not totally fool proof. Google “onewheel push-back”.
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That's a lot of cash.
But you were ripping on that thing!!
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From my experience:
I have had 3 onewheels and now I simply just roll the Exway e-skateboard. I can go way faster and lay way harder into turns and carves on the pavement than I ever could on a onewheel on any surface. I can comfortably go 15-20 mph on the exway whereas this speed on a onewheel feels like risking death! If you live near the beach and need to ride on the sand than the Onewheel can't be beaten. If you have pavement and want to carve going up and down hills then the EXWAY can't be beaten. Plus it half of the cost at 888.00 and side note it climbed every hill I could find in Hood River and San Fran, brakes are smooth and recharge battery, when it dies it can still be ridden and has amazing freewheel performance (no "cogging" or motor drag when riding as a normal skateboard). Even my wife loves it now and she never even tried the onewheel 8).
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Agree with the Eskate vibe...I used cheap chinese Ebay parts - integrated wheels/motors - spent about $250 including the Goodwill longboard. I have been over 20mph on it and it really carves on the pavement. With a total of 5000mah onboard I'm getting 12-14miles and that includes rolling over hills. It also has progressive braking that regenerates the charge.
To bring it back to surfing; while not requiring a movement of the rear foot rail to rail - it replicates the toe to heel pressure and the body balance that I use when surfing - I find it useful and super fun for those dryland days.
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Like Eastbound I come from a background of pools and transitions, 70’s and then got back on board in the 90’s. Vert but no air, roll ins and the like. Anytime spent on a skateboard will help with sup and surf.
There easy bits in the skateparks these days and some time on small transitions or parking lot ramps/ hills carving really keeps my balance tuned as I approach 60.
Almost a grand for an eboard, whew. I guess if you got the mula why not.
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I built my dual motor for about 300. You can do a single motor or a hub motor setup for less. I used batteries I already had for drones, you'd need to add that cost, but you could get on the road for less than 400 with a board that's too damned powerful or 300 for something sane. Easy to do. Google DIY electric skateboard.
And then, of course, there's the ER expense. I look like a gladiator when I ride mine, which is rare, since I still manage to get hurt. Dynamic brakes are very limited. Control is marginal, as it is with any skateboard unless you are an expert. The major benefit I see to the one wheel is that it stops better without pitching riders off since the board is pitched when stopping. Of course in any gravity sport if you're very concerned with stopping you probably shouldn't be doing the sport since you'll never get good at it.
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If you are learning to foil, there is no better training tool than the one wheel. The motions required to maneuver the OW are identical to foil surfing.
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Evan, I'm glad you said that. With my "one" foiling session under my belt I'm not in a position to make that statement, but it did feel remarkably similar to the Onewheel for sure. (I'm hoping to get a few more foil sessions over the next few months as things warm up a bit.)
Having said that, there is one very important thing that's missing from any motor assisted conveyance and that is the "free ride". Whether you are dropping in on a wave, snowboarding down a steep slope, decending on a bike, bombing a hill on your skateboard, there is just nothing like the feeling of getting that unfettered "free ride".
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I have a Hamboard Pinger with the paddle, and really enjoy it (other than breaking my foot in a freak accident on it). It's not SUP, but it uses some of the same core muscles, and the carving on it is much, much better than the old Gravity longboards I rode as a teenager. Great exercise too, the only caveat is that it really needs some smooth pavement, luckily a new neighborhood is being built right beside mine with no traffic and brand new asphalt.
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Neighbor let me try his One Wheel Saturday.
He said he went golfing with it carrying his bag.
How hard can it be ?
It got going, probably 20 mph.
I had a hard time slowing it down enough to dismount.
Back leg was getting fatigued.
Had to jump off.
Went down hard..
Just now looking at videos and settings..
Hard lesson, broken wrist..
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There is a learning curve to the OneWheel for sure, but once you get it it's very intuitive.
However, after riding mine for almost three years, last August just a couple weeks before a trip to Maui, I took a pretty good spill on my OW. Almost ruined the trip, the road rash on both knees, elbows and especially the top of my right hand did not heal for about 2 mos. In my case, I was thrown off due to "push-back" and I would have ordinarily been able to run it out but ironically, at the last instance, I tripped on the squared off toe of my new skate shoes.
If I would have fallen earlier in the run-out I might have ended up with more serious injuries like you Sup-position. I hope you heal well and quickly.
Still, I love this board.
Using it for golf, in theory absolutely, but not at any of our local private or public clubs.
I've tried my best not to address the issue of "push-back" in my post because there are so many great videos on the topic and anyone interested in the OW, should watch. In essence, the OneWheel is designed to give the rider a sensory feedback when it is reaching its maximum capacity, not only in terms of speed but also in terms of required power for the stabilization. Keep in mind, there is only one motor and it requires power for propulsion and stabilization. So, when the OW nears its maximum capacity, it goes into warning mode, and the rider feels a pronounced rise in the nose ("Push-back"). If this sensory warning is ignored and the OW maxes out, it may shut down. If/when it shuts down, it's like applying the brakes, and the rider could/will get launched.
It's a lot like catching your back side edge as you learn to snowboard. Once you understand it and figure it out it becomes a non-issue.
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...got going, probably 20 mph.
I had a hard time slowing it down enough to dismount.
Back leg was getting fatigued.
Had to jump off.
Went down hard..
Hard lesson, broken wrist..
OUCH....hope you heal well, and quickly!!! But thanks for the warning, and taking one for our "past our prime" team. I'm at the point where falling onto anything other than water or into my bed doesn't sound like anything I'll need to try any longer.
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It's a lot like catching your back side edge as you learn to snowboard. Once you understand it and figure it out it becomes a non-issue.
Or like flying a foil just a little too high, and have the bottom drops out underneath you w/o there being a darn thing you're gonna do about it. :o
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It's a lot like catching your back side edge as you learn to snowboard. Once you understand it and figure it out it becomes a non-issue.
I remember my first lesson. The instructor told us (it was a group lesson) that when you catch the back edge you should cross your hands in front of your chest and lean forward arching your back in that direction instead of falling into a sitting position with your hands below your butt trying to break your fall. But guess what instinct made every one of us do? I thought I was going to break both wrists before I could train myself not to do that. I got past it and boarded a few years, but I was a lot more resilient back then.
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Every person I know who describes an injury from skateboarding describes it as a freak accident or explains in detail the odd things that went wrong--me included. My 4WD skateboard is a lot of fun and I've optimized the acceleration and braking carefully. So, of course, it was a freak happenstance when it slammed on the brakes at 20 MPH and disappeared from under me. Half an hour before I was riding nekkid--shorts, a T-shirt and slippahs. I came to my senses and armored up. Shoes, long pants, shin guards, elbow guards, wrist guards, helmet. I hit the ground, bounced and skidded to a stop. No abrasions, no breaks, no blood. Just three weeks of hobbling around feeling like I was hit my baseball bats. I still don't know what caused it, and I've decided it will make a nice base for an autonomous robot.
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I didn't do any reading or watch any video on the one wheel prior to my maiden voyage.
Should have...
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I love my OneWheel and I've had mine a few years now.. No problems.. No push back issues.
IMO the trick is.. Don't go so damn fast.. I keep my speed down to a run out speed in case I need to jump off.
I've only had a couple of falls and both times trying to go full speed.. It's not all about the speed.
https://vimeo.com/162459999
The best way to learn is to do it on a nice smooth grassy area.
https://vimeo.com/161036084
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Absolutely right DJ, if you keep it below 15mph it’s a pretty tame beast. My falls have all been while climbing a slight grade and while trying to maintain speed.