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Title: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: ospreysup on November 28, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
Got the wife a new four wheel drive vehicle. I threw some roof racks on it because we have some breaks you can park on the beach near me but I only go occasionally to meet a proner buddy. 5 minute walk from street parking. This is not my regular POS surf car.  Anyway, the wife is not happy with the reduced gas milage and the very slight hum from her new car since adding the racks. They are a pain to put on and take off. Unscrewing the antenna seems much easier.  I saw this video and I know Rob is very well respected. Any reason not to do? Also,  I always strap my boards fins up and towards the front of the vehicle. He has no fin on the board.  All looks secure to me  but that ain't saying much. Only down side I see is having to walk around the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnbuLSsoc4&t=30s
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: PonoBill on November 28, 2018, 09:58:24 PM
It works fine, even better if you turn the board over and go tail first, fin up, like any civilized person as long as your rocker allows it. The pad helps avoid scratches. Don't go fin-down with the fin in the back. You'll walk into it sooner or later and spray blood all over your wife's car. Don't ask how I know that. If your board has a lot of rocker you can use dogbones or blocks of foam. My preference is two sections of high-density pipe insulation with a piece of 5/8" rope through it with a big figure eight knot on each end. The rope weight keeps the tube of foam from blowing away and is convenient for tossing. Don't reef on the straps too hard or you'll oilcan the roof.

Make sure the factory racks aren't wimpy, some are, but most are fairly well bolted down these days.
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Post by: supthecreek on November 28, 2018, 10:31:33 PM
I'm not exactly civilized, so I prefer fin up, nose forward. ;)
Nose kick works to actually press the board down into the racks at speed, which reduces pressure on the straps and rack.

Fin back, may stop the board from sliding out of the racks in a sudden stop or fender bender.
I was a passenger in a low speed head-on and watched 4 boards zing out of the straps and bounce all over the other cars windshield.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: eastbound on November 29, 2018, 03:45:14 AM
guy in video is begging for a dumbding from the antennae mount

just saying
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Bean on November 29, 2018, 07:06:57 AM
This might be a good opportunity to discuss the speedy and effective single strap approach. Nah.
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Post by: TallDude on November 29, 2018, 08:14:09 AM
This might be a good opportunity to discuss the speedy and effective single strap approach. Nah.
I prefer the strapless look ;)
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Post by: supnsurf on November 29, 2018, 08:30:31 AM
Bean, I want to hear about the single strap method
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Post by: WhatsSUP on November 29, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
Interesting, I always load on my trucks rack "fin up and forward".

I do note, however, that a quick search of "Woodies with surfboards" in Google images show 90% as fin up and back (a la Creek).   ::) 8)  Must say, I kinda like that look.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2018, 03:12:09 PM
I've been using the single strap method ever since watching Roberts video five years ago. So much faster and easier than two straps.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4QOMAJvAAU
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: supthecreek on November 29, 2018, 03:48:13 PM
I much prefer 1 rope
easier
quieter - virtually no noise. (straps vibrate, whistle, hum)
cheaper

Basically the same deal as Roberts video, but with nylon rope.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: PonoBill on November 29, 2018, 08:59:40 PM
Fin forward is as much habit as it is anything rational. I actually load whichever direction I happen to walk up to the truck. But I prefer fin forward because loading 17' downwind board fin back will generally stuff the board onto the roof--flatter rocker of the tail is mo' bettah. And I consider loose ropes or straps to be much more likely than an accident. Fin back your boards will happily slide off the roof. If they're fin forwards they can't slide back and if they slide forward because of heavy braking you can see what's going on and pull over to take care of the issue.

We all have our reasons, and they make sense to us. I'd never use a single rope: Single point of failure. I just couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Bean on November 29, 2018, 09:05:02 PM
I only use the single strap on days that end in y.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: supthecreek on November 30, 2018, 04:07:20 AM
Bean:
I'd always lace that strap behind the gutter post....
I once lost some sheetrock off my racks because in a sharp turn, the sheetrock slid and popped the strap off the end of the bar.
Unlikely with a SUP, but still.... why take the chance?

Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Badger on November 30, 2018, 04:35:24 AM
I prefer straps over rope just because it's easier and faster than tying knots, for me anyway. In all the years I've been doing this, I've never had a strap hum or vibrate.

I use the rugged 1.5" wide straps from NRS. I use a 15 footer for one board. For two boards, I use two 12 footers.

https://www.nrs.com/product/1446/nrs-15-padded-straps

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Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Bean on November 30, 2018, 04:42:08 AM
Bean:
I'd always lace that strap behind the gutter post....
I once lost some sheetrock off my racks because in a sharp turn, the sheetrock slid and popped the strap off the end of the bar.
Unlikely with a SUP, but still.... why take the chance?

I would generally agree with that, the strap could break or come lose.  In this case the deformation of the pads does a pretty good job in locking things down for my -2 mi crawl to the beach.  Plus it gives me the option of taking 2 or more boards, side by side.
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Post by: eastbound on November 30, 2018, 07:24:32 AM
i have driven <2mi (slowly!) holding the leash string thru my sunroof!
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Post by: PonoBill on November 30, 2018, 07:53:50 AM
That gives me the willies just looking at it.
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Post by: Bean on November 30, 2018, 09:19:58 AM
That gives me the willies just looking at it.

I wish it were a Willys! ;D
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: kwhilden on November 30, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
You all are killing me.  I'm really particular about my straps, and don't let anyone ever tie up the straps on my vehicle.  IN all my years of surfing, SUPing, and kayaking, nothing has ever fallen off the roof my car. (touch wood)

Always use two cam straps, and put a half-hitch on the cam after cinching it. The springs that hold cams tight can fail, especially around salt water. Rope with a trucker's hitch also works really well.

It seems like simple insurance that maybe costs you an extra 30 seconds of your time, but can save a big repair bill and maybe someone's life (who won't get hit by a board in vehicle moving at speed).

One time, while whitewater kayaking on the Olympic Peninsula, we had to abandon our trip due to logjams. We only had one Subaru Outback for eight people and eight boats. Guess who they nominated to lead the process of strapping those boats onto one vehicle... :) 

 


Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Bean on November 30, 2018, 02:31:38 PM
You...am I right?
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Post by: jpeter on December 02, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
As long as we are getting into paranoid tie downs,  let me give you my method.  2-board tie down, 2 straps,  Thule bars with pads, Thule straps, boards in bags.   
Bigger board on the rack first, throw each strap over.   
Stack smaller board on,  go to other side of vehicle. 
Each strap under the bar and throw to the other side over the top board.   
So you end up with one strap directly on each board. 
To tie off my straps,  I run under the bar, back up and 1/2 hitch around the group of three straps,  a couple times.

Only time I ever lost one off the roof involved a quick tie down so we could walk and get some food,  then forgetting the board was loosely fastened, driving off a few hours later.

JP
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Area 10 on December 02, 2018, 07:19:42 PM
These days I use one long piece of very good quality yacht rope. It depends on your individual roof rack setup, but with mine itís quicker and does a better job than using two cam straps. I reckon it is safer too - you can see wear on the rope (if there is any) and the breaking weight of 12mm+ dyneema core yacht rope is about a gazillion pounds. Rope doesnít flap in the wind like straps do, and if itís windy you can throw it over the vehicle and board if necessary so it makes one-person loading easier. Itís not a cheap option - a good piece of yacht rope will cost more than some cheap cam straps, and you do need to be able to tie a knot. But if your roof rack arrangement suits it, it can be very quick and effective indeed.
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Post by: JEG on December 03, 2018, 12:09:44 PM
if you carry 1 or 2 board then forget the strap and get yourself a lockrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k90Xc8o3Yo

the only disadvantage of lockrack is the plastic key otherwise its one of the best.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Bean on December 03, 2018, 12:36:21 PM
I just picked up a fresh set of Kanulock straps which are actually a substantial impovement over the old SPL (pre Kanulock) variety.

But, I have to say the lockrack looks pretty convenient.  I decided against the lock rack because it's not convenient to flip the inside arms down when not in use on a taller vehicle.  If they get that sorted, I'm in...
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Bean on December 03, 2018, 12:36:33 PM
I just picked up a fresh set of Kanulock straps which are actually a substantial impovement over the old SPL (pre Kanulock) variety.

But, I have to say the lockrack looks pretty convenient. 

I decided against the Lockarack because it's not convenient to flip the inside arms down when not in use on a taller vehicle.  If they get that sorted, I'm in...
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: RideTheGlide on December 03, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
I prefer straps over rope just because it's easier and faster than tying knots, for me anyway. In all the years I've been doing this, I've never had a strap hum or vibrate.

I use the rugged 1.5" wide straps from NRS. I use a 15 footer for one board. For two boards, I use two 12 footers.

https://www.nrs.com/product/1446/nrs-15-padded-straps

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I have had a few straps hum, but most know the words.  ;D

Seriously, I have had it happen and it is crazy loud and worse is what it will do to the boat (what I am used to carrying; same with a board). The  vibration will turn the web strap into a vibrating sander it it will get through a layer of paint pretty quick (DAMHIKT). A simple twist in the strap avoids this.

ETA - I think this only happens when there is limited padding and the strap is not dampened; going around a solid bar on each end.
Title: Re: Any Reason Not to! Roof tie down.
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2018, 02:47:06 PM
I should have mentioned that I always twist my straps. I guess I thought everyone did. I have a Thule rack and everything stays nice and quiet.

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Post by: PonoBill on December 03, 2018, 09:59:54 PM
Rope.
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Post by: eastbound on December 04, 2018, 05:30:32 AM
flat, carefully placed straps end up sounding like when, as a kid, you stuck a blade of grass between your thumbs and blew like a saxophone--like a reed

i thought neat was best for a while til someone told me to twist the gd straps--works--flat and neat doesnt

bought my new subaru forester without a rack or rails--quieter with better gas mileage

i just put the frt and back set down and shove boards in the car, filed in bags--generally take two
subaru's split rear is 40% on the left, so you can seat one behind the driver

pure plagiarism--creek did a critically acclaimed  photo essay on this approach years ago--tried it liked it--then PB woke me to the fuel inefficiency of racks/rails--so no rack for me--i keep  a soft rack with the spare tire in case of unforeseen need to carry more than one, or more crap, in car--havent had to use it yet---try to avoid people and crap! and they often come entangled

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Post by: supthecreek on December 04, 2018, 05:53:57 AM
geeze... now I gotta make a "one rope" video  ;)
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Post by: Bean on December 04, 2018, 06:26:23 AM
One important thing that ropes have in common with Kanulocks is that they will throw into the wind.  Regular (non-steel core) straps tend to blow back.

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Post by: eastbound on December 04, 2018, 12:57:56 PM
cant find the post, creek, with the "shove em in the corolla" video, but it's a classic

oh, and boards lock up tight.....in the car

i know.....park in the shade