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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: APPST_Paddle on November 10, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
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I'm in need for a new 4/3 or 5/3 basically for everything my 3/2 doesn't cover, which is typically late December to mid-February (upper 40's to mid-50's water temps). Just curious on a few things:
-I've typically used Rip Curl/O'Neill suits, I had one kite-specific suit with more smooth skin on the chest to block wind better, but.......frankly I'm paddling more in the winter. Any thoughts on surf-specific vs. others.
-Integrated hood or not? I need a hood, I've tried the neoprene beanie, and as soon as I have to dive under a wave it's done. So, I'm either getting an integrated hood or regular hood.
-Ideally it would dry quickly and be flexible/light.
I'm not trying to spend a fortune (Patagonia range - $500 or so), but a solid suit that will last.
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I kitesurf all winter, I personally think the Xcel Drylock 5:4 is the best out there, put on a light dingy racing spray top to stay warmer when windy, I do this on the coldest of days.
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Xcel makes a separate Dryloc hood too which is good if your suit doesn't have an integrated hood.
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Hi APPST
I have been a fan of Patagonia and then got a 5.5/4 Psychotec 2. I love this O’neil Suit. Warm, dries quickly, light and flexible. It is a well made suit and seems durable.
Bob
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My 5.5 vissla got me through the winter last year as a beginner. New England and long island. (I fell a lot.) It has an integrated hood. But is a reasonable price and made at the same Japanese factories as other brands. Hands and feet got cold but not my body. Very warm though if you are paddling and not surfing.
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Hi APPST
I have been a fan of Patagonia and then got a 5.5/4 Psychotec 2. I love this O’neil Suit. Warm, dries quickly, light and flexible. It is a well made suit and seems durable.
Bob
Second voice for O'Neil. I own variate of their suites in different thickness including psychotech 5.5/4 - very stretchy and very light. I prefer have a hood attached , once purchased Mutant (removable hood attached with zippers) and returned after one use as the back zipper was getting separated.
p.s.I don't kitesurf, so not sure of what specific requirements it could affect.
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I have a ten year old + Mutant 5/4 that is still intact, although not so stretchy anymore. Got a new 5/4 mutant last year. Having the no hood option gives the suit so much more range. In order or warmth I have 3/2 full suit, ancient Mutant, New Mutant, and Ripcurl 5.5/4 flashbomb. I couldn't get away with not having something in between the 3/2 and Ripcurl. Mutant fits the bill.
JP
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Yeah, so update to this thread. I tried on a Flashbomb with an integrated hood, and I have a feeling it would become a pain when I don't want to wear it.
I'm actually sending my ONeill Psychofreak from 2 years ago (that I was going to replace) to O'Neill to replace the knee pad. My local surf shop told me that was an option, so for $20, this wetsuit is fixed. It's not the stretchest thing ever, but it's pretty warm and a chest zip.
I'm definitely buying a separate hood though.
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You said dry quickly and flexible/light.
Rip Curl has a new more elastic flashbomb heat seeker 5/3 (or flashbomb 4/3 w/ hood) which sounds like a great mix of flexibility and warmth (and quick drying).
I tend to use a warmer suit for kite suit than SUP (for same conditions). I would overheat SUPing. But that's what a quiver of suits is for.
It's funny. I thought I'd seen the new Flashbomb heat seeker in 5/3 w a hood but I'm not finding it. I must be mistaken. For the warmest suit a hood is such a must. And I noticed the new 5/3 instead of the usual 5/4 thinking how much better it was for range of motion.
For range of movement the Rip Curl eBombs zip free have been amazing. Flashbombs are less elastic but the latest seems better. They definitely add warmth and are good for something like kiting where you may only fall occasionally coz they dry so quick.
I broke my collarbone beginning of summer so I'm a klutz again at getting it off. (don't have full range of motion yet). My friends with zips tease me but they have no idea how much better the zip-free is once on. Both for paddling and kite.
Kiting is a tough call for winter suits. Ideally rubber exterior would be best to cut the wind, but too fragile for kiting. I use a windbreaker over on cold days.
If you haven't tried the new fashbombs or eBombs find a place and go try one on. Youtube the technique to get in and out if you don't already have one - it's not 1/2 as bad as one presupposes.
Edit to add: oops, we posted at same time.
What I like about a hood is it's easy to take on and off when hot or cold. I use an inner .5mm lycra sleeves w hood but that would negate the flashbomb lining which shoul dbe next to skin.
oh, and $20 is hard to argue with. Good call.
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actually dreading putting on the 5:4 for the first time this season later today :'(
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Like yugi, I wear a warmer suit for kitesurfing than SUP, due to wind chill. I've tried slick skin options but found the best thing that worked for me was a fuzzy (fleece lined) shirt (or leggings) under my suit. The air pockets it creates helps me stay warmer.
For kitesurfing, when it gets really cold, I started wearing a paddling splash jacket over my suit. My hands used to freeze, but with this my core stays warm, so my hands stay warm.
Another thing that helps is to wear an impact vest. For kitesurfing I wear one by promotion, for SUP I wear the Oneill Gooru. When it is cold, I may wear both for kitesurfing, makes the harness feel very comfortable. The Oneill Gooru feels like wearing at least an extra mm of warmth around the chest.
We lose 30% of our heat through our head. In the winter a Gath helmet helps you stay warm. Wearing a hood inside keeps the ears warm. When it is really cold a full hood that covers the artery on your neck makes a big difference.
Located in Northern California, when it is chilly, typically wear a 5/4/3 (surf model) for kitesurfing, and a 4/3 Ripcurl Flashbomb for (SUP) surfing. Warmer seasons coupled with a farmer john and 3/2 with a normal rashguard.
I don't like overheating while on SUP, it makes me sweat, which eventually leads to cramping.
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That new RipCurl Flashbomb heatseeker 5/3 looks sweet. I really like 3mm on arms and shoulders for paddling and kite since arms are free to move. But have 5mm on legs to stay warm. Prefer 3mm arms and a windbreaker. Plus if one overheats on a sunny day it's so easy to adjust layers.
I've got one of those windbreakers with a hook-hole I slap over the harness.
Once water is below 50F/10C I always wear an impact vest anyway. At least when it's howling.
Jonesing now for that 5/3. Damn you.
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O'Neil & Ripcurl make fine suits
But if you are looking for an arms up suit (easier for KS & SUP)
I'd highly recommend the HYPERFLEX VooDoo wind They are a jersey company so they KNOW COLD water they have integrated hoods I can get you a KILLER ZONER DEAL on this if you are interested
JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
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Am a WARM owner of the Rip Curl FB Heat Seeker 6 4 Zip Free.
There is a review by a Scottish Kiter who got one from Cleanline in Oregon.
And a review from some clown called SharkBoy..
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O'Neil & Ripcurl make fine suits
But if you are looking for an arms up suit (easier for KS & SUP)
I'd highly recommend the HYPERFLEX VooDoo wind They are a jersey company so they KNOW COLD water they have integrated hoods I can get you a KILLER ZONER DEAL on this if you are interested
JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
I had the Voodoo, and while it had some nice kiteboarding-specific features, it felt pretty heavy and cumbersone compared to my Rip Curl/O'Neill suits. Granted that suit was 5 years ago, but I just remember jumping into a ONeill suit and it being much more flexible, etc.
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That new RipCurl Flashbomb heatseeker 5/3 looks sweet. I really like 3mm on arms and shoulders for paddling and kite since arms are free to move. But have 5mm on legs to stay warm. Prefer 3mm arms and a windbreaker. Plus if one overheats on a sunny day it's so easy to adjust layers.
I've got one of those windbreakers with a hook-hole I slap over the harness.
Once water is below 50F/10C I always wear an impact vest anyway. At least when it's howling.
Jonesing now for that 5/3. Damn you.
I'm definitely looking for a deal on one of these. Rip Curl suits fit me well for whatever reason, I almost got a 4/3 Flashbomb with a built-in hood, but it was a Medium, and i really need a MT. I'm going to check this one out too. I fixed my O'Neill suit, but I wouldn't mind something a bit warmer.
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Everyone's Suits have gotten alot better in the past 5 yrs. Just don't see a reason to over pay for a suit That is why I offered the Hyperflex
JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
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Didn't overpay! On sale! Think they may have sold out any way.
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Correction to my previous post regarding Hyperflex - I had the AMP which is not at the same price point, etc. as the Voodoo.
JimK - you have a PM.
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no knowledge of neilpryde wetsuit product (they used to make good sails!) but these claim to be about ws and kiting....
and 50% off
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If your going to spend big$$$ on a suit I really like the O’Neill psychotec 5.5 4 keeps you way warm and seem to last.I also have a mutant nice suit but the zipper is a pain in the ass and it flushes water more than the psycho.
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just bought the new psychotech 5.5/4, the one with tecnobutter 3---after ordering both the psychotech, and the xcel Drylock X (new model drylock X, which is made of jalanese limestone "nanoprene"). Tried them both on and ran around my office a bit in em. Much prefered the feel of the O'Neill. Now wet? stretched out a bit? who knows? but in the office the oneill rules--great in meetings too
my old psychotech is a bit worn, with one patched hole, but it's in good shape for anyone who isnt spoiled like me.....
it's an XL and works great, if anyone needs a winter suit, who aint spoiled like me---pm me if youre that person.
and the suit's never been pissed in--it's been sweated in, thing's warm. Always rinsed after ea use.
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Stick with the brand that fits you consistently the best. For me that's been O'neill for the past 45 years. I just replaced my 4/3 that was only 2 years old because the new butter technology was so freaking comfortable. Soaks up way less water so its lighter too. Integrated hood so if you get hot you can flip it back. I use mine for surfing and kiting and for the harness I prefer no rubber on the body because although it helps with the wind it get rubbed by my harness and is a point of wear and tear.
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Stick with the brand that fits you consistently the best. For me that's been O'neill for the past 45 years. I just replaced my 4/3 that was only 2 years old because the new butter technology was so freaking comfortable. Soaks up way less water so its lighter too. Integrated hood so if you get hot you can flip it back. I use mine for surfing and kiting and for the harness I prefer no rubber on the body because although it helps with the wind it get rubbed by my harness and is a point of wear and tear.
Yeah, I will say with regard to the harness rubbing, my Dakine harnesses rubbed the smoothskin quite a bit. I've noticed that the Ion/North/whatever they are this week hasn't rubbed near as much. May just be that it moves less because I have the rope slider on it most of the time for surf.
I'm on a O'Neill that is 3 years old, and I'm thinking the same, although Rip Curl seems to fit me a bit better. I'm somewhat awkardly shaped as well - I'm around 6'0, 170 lbs, but most of the MT suits are tight on my shoulders, Large is too big everywhere else.