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Title: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: PonoBill on November 03, 2018, 08:35:50 PM
Here's why:

https://www.facebook.com/TJGuliziaIII/videos/2313949501966385/


On the right day, you could do this for a hundred miles. Yesterday was the right day.  The music fits very well. Kick the sound on and go full screen.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: all~wet on November 03, 2018, 08:43:30 PM
'nough said.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: 808sup on November 03, 2018, 08:44:22 PM
Sweet! Smooth is fast🤙
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: DavidJohn on November 04, 2018, 03:54:51 AM
Awesome.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: PonoBill on November 04, 2018, 03:21:18 PM
Normally I'd make fun of Rod's pink bunny suit, but having pushed hypothermia to the point of bad shit happening that day, I can't say a damned thing.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: Fishman on November 04, 2018, 03:52:05 PM
Normally I'd make fun of Rod's pink bunny suit, but having pushed hypothermia to the point of bad shit happening that day, I can't say a damned thing.

Wait that was you on the videoing /1st person board? if so that's awesome!

Do you know what kind of suit is Rod wearing?

Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: surfcowboy on November 04, 2018, 04:54:52 PM
That’s crazy. What’s the temp like there in the summer and what does the wind chill feel like?
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: connector14 on November 04, 2018, 05:12:37 PM
According to TJ,  that orange suit is a SUP suit.....I think it's made by the same company that does Starboards blue dry suit. I've looked at them and the front entry is nice and the material pretty light and soft.....but I still worry about overheating once you get "up and running" !  I'd like a neon reflective yellow or orange suit.....makes it very easy to find you body if things go wrong :)............
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: connector14 on November 04, 2018, 05:15:33 PM
Here's a link for the suit I think you saw in the video......
https://www.supskin.com/
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: Fishman on November 04, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Here's a link for the suit I think you saw in the video......
https://www.supskin.com/
THX  ;)
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: PonoBill on November 04, 2018, 08:19:18 PM
Normally I'd make fun of Rod's pink bunny suit, but having pushed hypothermia to the point of bad shit happening that day, I can't say a damned thing.

Wait that was you on the videoing /1st person board? if so that's awesome!

Do you know what kind of suit is Rod wearing?

No, that was TJ. I was freezing my ass off in another chunk of the river--Celilo to Maryhill.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: 805StandUp on November 04, 2018, 08:27:27 PM

No, that was TJ. I was freezing my ass off in another chunk of the river--Celilo to Maryhill.

Very cool, Bill!  Have you tried to downwind your foil yet? 
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: PonoBill on November 04, 2018, 09:49:20 PM
Yes, I'm getting nowhere fast. I just need to keep working on it, the 280 foil is letting me get up and start moving, but I don't last long.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: Califoilia on November 05, 2018, 11:24:01 PM
Yes, I'm getting nowhere fast. I just need to keep working on it, the 280 foil is letting me get up and start moving, but I don't last long.
That's odd, because you're using the blue "Foilagra" that should have you getting up stronger, and lasting much longer than giving it a go w/o it.  :P ;D
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: PonoBill on November 06, 2018, 06:07:46 AM
Yeah, that's what I need, Foilagra. I may get that printed on my 280.

What I really need it to pick up my efforts to lose weight. Pumping looks easy for the 120 pound set, but they wouldn't look so nonchalant if they were carrying an equally-sized passenger. That's my problem--that stowaway.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: Beasho on November 06, 2018, 06:34:12 AM
Keep at it Bill.

I have been a fan of bigger wings for a while.  Most people want to go small and struggle.  Like an old guy flailing his arms on a 5' 6" shortboard. 

I have been having success using the IWA with a smaller tail in BIG waves.  Up to 10 foot faces.  Most people probably downgrade to a smaller foil but the smaller (KAI) foil flies like crap.  Go big and learn how to deal with it.

Add to this the observation that skilled people are finding lines that others can't make work and you realize there is a heck of lot to learn.  Being in shape NO DOUBT HELPS but having the hope that you can use mind over matter may be all you need to fire the stoke.
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Post by: skideeppow on November 06, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
I saw on another video TJ grabbed some fishing line with his foil, stopped him dead.

I have used that Supskin suit.  I am a big guy, and it was super tight on me.  It is a true Euro fit. 
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: jondrums on November 06, 2018, 07:42:03 PM
I have been having success using the IWA with a smaller tail in BIG waves. 

what smaller tail?  did you cut doen the IWA tail or are you running the KAI tail?
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: 805StandUp on November 07, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
With your foilsurf and downwind experience, I am sure you will get it, Bill.  I think you are right on the bigger wings, Beasho.  I foil surfed the IWA wing for five hours yesterday and it is night and day from my M160... more controlled and can turn much sooner on the drop and ride higher in the wave.    Have a M200 and IWA coming now... doh this is an expensive sport!
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: Beasho on November 07, 2018, 11:27:32 AM
I have been having success using the IWA with a smaller tail in BIG waves. 

what smaller tail?  did you cut doen the IWA tail or are you running the KAI tail?

Iwa with Kai tail - YES!  Didn't take too much Jerry Rigging from my original KAI only mast.  Just had to move the screw hole 1/16" with a dremel. 

It is SUPER Pitch-Twitchy in flight.  BUT it will NOT Overfoil when your feet are in the straps.  The Center of Lift moves so far aft I find myself almost riding wheelies off my back foot to keep it flying. 
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 07, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
FYI, Dave Kalama and a few other team riders have custom cut down rear wings they ride. Alex chops the ends off the bigger one to get the in between size.

I think they call it the Kalama tail wing. My buddy has one. They use it a lot.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: cnski on November 07, 2018, 03:01:25 PM
That's such a great stretch of that river. Arguably the best. We used to camp at a secret spot halfway through that canyon in the early 90's. We would windsurf all day in those huge rollers and party/bonfire at night. More than once we needed to make a trip to The Dalles emergency department in the middle of the night. Those were the days. Looks like they have the magic ticket to ride!! I couldn't get XXL Supskin past my quadriceps btw.
Title: Re: If you are wondering why I'm desperate to learn to downwind foil the Gorge...
Post by: jondrums on November 07, 2018, 10:17:58 PM
FYI, Dave Kalama and a few other team riders have custom cut down rear wings they ride. Alex chops the ends off the bigger one to get the in between size.

I think they call it the Kalama tail wing. My buddy has one. They use it a lot.

any photos?  I have two of the IWA/MALIKO rear wings and am seriously considering cutting one down.  Was going to take a little off at a time and ride it along the way just to see.  It would be cool to have a decent idea where other people have ended up
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