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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: blueplanetsurf on September 22, 2018, 12:38:26 PM
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We just posted the first in a series of videos on "How to SUP Foil".
The next videos in this series will be: #2 catching a wave and lift off, #3 controlling height and speed, #4 pumping the foil, #5 turning the foil
I will post the other videos here once they are completed, I hope they will be helpful for those new to foiling:
https://youtu.be/OCB5W_bfTgY
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Great video. This is really helpful because these shorter boards tend to paddle in circles.
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Great Video Robert (as usual). Interesting perspective(s) - Evan.
We are realizing that there are HUGE advantages that come from 1) Knowing how to read the lineup and 2) Knowing how to paddle
aka I am paddling a 6' 6" board and have ZERO issue with yaw. Never even thought about it.
I may take my 9 years of SUP Surfing for granted EXCEPT for the fact that I have one of my kids and another friend that 'want to learn how to foil'
BOTH with NO SURFING and NO SUP'ing background.
You thought people got grief for learning to SUP in the line-up.
What is going to happen when people are starting from scratch ON FOIL BOARDS. WOOOOOAAAAAAA! :o
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We are realizing that there are HUGE advantages that come from 1) Knowing how to read the lineup and 2) Knowing how to paddle
aka I am paddling a 6' 6" board and have ZERO issue with yaw. Never even thought about it.
In this video I highlight the importance of:
PUTTING YOUR HAND IN FRONT OF THE OPPOSITE SHOULDER.
Robert is focusing on the Paddle's Angle to the Board. However he is also extending his left hand well over his body in front of his right shoulder. Robert is Regular footed. Those of us who were trained to paddle properly may be taking this for granted.
I am goofy footed and extend my Right hand over my left Shoulder. This technique is also critical when attempting to catch the wave with your front foot in the straps.
https://youtu.be/hN40OUh-eHM
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^^^ At the :15 mark ^^^ This: "And then you put a little bit of weight on the left foot" (goofy footed)
Had plenty of beach discussions with others talking about putting a fin on/near the nose, or even "finlets" near the nose rocker by guys thinking the need them to paddle straight, and I have to remind them that they've got the biggest f'n "fin" they could ask for already hanging below their board. :)
I just paddle in a modified surf/foil stance, and simply put enough "front side" rail pressure to counteract any yaw I might produce with any individual paddle stroke. Works as advertised... 8)
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Dave Kalama piling on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWFszu4u9ho
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i use the crossover all the time when paddlling downriver. You think that does not work on the foil? I dont even live near any open water and only kite foil and wake foil. But i am dying to surf foil once i get to the ocean.
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On my shorter boards, I combat yaw by doing a series of white trash maneuvers that may or may not be blessed by the gods. I do not care.
After kick turn wheelie deal and board pointing the right way....
1) I take one or two shorter grabs up towards the nose. These are quick 1-2 foot digs. Light digs, not heavy.. The stroke never goes past middle board(handle). These start about 6 inches closer towards the nose than my regular stroke.
2) While I am doing the light digs I lean the board in the water towards the dig. For example. Light dig left, while tilting board counter clockwise, or left. I believe this makes the left rail act more like a fin and gives it some tracking.. My friend told me this makes it yaw more, I disagree with him and call him a no good liar.
3) Last dig(s) before wave are longer and with more power. The longer digs allow me to do little quick unweight jumps that speed up the board.
I have tried what Kalama says and I feel like my wt technique works better for me.
-red
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Thanks for the feedback.
Here is the part 2 of the How to SUP Foil series: Catching a wave:
https://youtu.be/0acB8F74k54
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Super, Super, Super Helpful.
I wish you posted these 12 months ago! Haaaa!
For those looking to use footstraps the foot positioning that Sam shows is KEY to learning how to takeoff.
1) Front foot HAS to be in the FRONT strap
2) Back foot hovering, or sitting directly on top of, and in front of rear strap
If the wave is BIG keep the foot in front of the strap until you fly out into the flats or out on to the shoulder. If it is SMALL you can afford to put your foot in early at the top of the wave and FLY FREE!
I measure BIG as 5 foot faces or more. AND they have to be SOFT'r SLOPEY faces or you're cooked.
Sam shows it here:
https://youtu.be/0acB8F74k54?t=392
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We just posted part 3 of this series which is about flying the foil, maintaining speed and staying on the sloping part of the wave. Beginners often don't angle down the line enough, outrun the wave, get into the flats and drop off the foil.
Parts 4 and 5 coming soon!
https://youtu.be/lJX0jZa-CIE
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Thanks so much! Worth watching multiple times.
Cheers!
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Robert and Sam, awesome video series, i am learning a lot.
Newb here with around 10 sessions under my belt. I am starting to feel comfortable paddling for the wave and catching it. One thing i just noticed in the second video, both you and Sam mentioned weighting and unweighting the foil when paddling for the wave and then engaging the foil. When I am catching the wave, it feels as if the foil is engaging as I am dropping down the wave face.
Can you elaborate more on the weighting/unweighting part when paddling for a wave? Will this help me to catch waves earlier?
Thanks!!
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Robert and Sam, awesome video series, i am learning a lot.
Newb here with around 10 sessions under my belt. I am starting to feel comfortable paddling for the wave and catching it. One thing i just noticed in the second video, both you and Sam mentioned weighting and unweighting the foil when paddling for the wave and then engaging the foil. When I am catching the wave, it feels as if the foil is engaging as I am dropping down the wave face.
Can you elaborate more on the weighting/unweighting part when paddling for a wave? Will this help me to catch waves earlier?
Thanks!!
Basically you can start to hop up and down on the board while you are paddling for the wave before you have enough speed for liftoff.
I learned this from downwind foiling where you have very little push from the bumps and need to create lift from almost nothing. If you time the pumping/ un-weighing of the foil right (unweigh the board during power phase of stroke) with the slight acceleration from the bump, you can engage the foil and lift off at much lower speeds than when you just use the board speed from catching a steeper wave to lift the foil. Once you get this figured out you can catch and ride waves on a foil that you would be unable to catch on a regular SUP. It also helps to catch waves further out and avoid the steep takeoffs that are tricky on a foil.
You want to basically try to increase the speed of the water flowing over the foil by hopping up and down and reduce drag by getting the foil to lift the board out of the water. You can push down on the paddle and put more of your body weight on the paddle during the power phase and lift up your legs at the same time to help take weight off the board and foil. I hope that makes sense, you just have to practice it a lot to figure it out.
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Robert, thanks for the explanation, I think I get it.
I will try this out tomorrow, swell has dropped off so hopefully this technique will help with the fading swell. Thanks again!!
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Fish, Ron won't be done for a few days, and I'm out until Monday (maybe a short sesh on Friday if I can fit it in) or we'd be more than happen to show you, but here's a clip of Ron "pumping" into a smaller wave that shows it pretty well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtiryqVKaU
Hope that helps.
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Sano,
He makes it look so easy. Got out this morning, mid 50s air temp and stiff offshores, chilly. I did attempt the technique felt like it was kind of working but the hi tide and offshores kept blocking me from getting in. I may try to sneak into Sano at dawn tomorrow to give it another go. Let me know if you are going down. thanks!
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Guys - Please realize what you are looking at with regards to experience.
Ron in the video has been riding foils behind boats for 20 years. He is pushing the limits with an angled mast and he is using footstraps.
Beginners AREN'T using footstraps.
I was speaking with Sam P'ae the other day. I asked how many sessions he thought he had. He then tells me he has been foiling for 2 1/2 years and goes 'all the time' for the majority of the year . . . . . long story short I estimated Sam as having 400 - 500 sessions under his belt.
Robert can't be far behind, if at all. 300 - 450 sessions? Robert feel free to correct me.
I have 220 sessions on the foil in everything from 1 to 15 foot conditions with ZERO down-winding experience.
The bad news is that it takes time on the water to get good. The good news is that you can learn from those who have put the time in and accelerate the process.
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I agree, foiling is not hard, especially with the right waves but it takes time !!
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First lesson for beginner foilers:
The best way to learn how to to fly a hydrofoil is to get a lesson towing behind a boat. Join Blue Planet staff members Luca and Tyler as they get their first foil lesson from Robert Stehlik and share their takeaways:
https://youtu.be/2uLN-RfuAgE
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This is video #4 in the How to Foil series- pumping the foil- with great tips from Daniel Kaahanui who is great at pumping his prone foil board back out to connect several waves and Zane Saenz who can get up on the foil in flat water using only the paddle and pumping action.
https://youtu.be/diljo6EGDdQ
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This is the final video in our How To Foil series- #5- turning and carving on a foil.
This one is also a bit more advanced, we talk about how carving is a way to generate speed much like pumping and allows you to stay on the steeper part of the wave.
Also covered are equipment- shorter, smaller, lighter boards make carving easier to initiate and control, while smaller wings will allow more control at higher speeds and in steeper waves. A longer mast will allow steeper banking without overfoiling (breaching the hydrofoil and losing lift) or touching the rails, while a shorter mast is easier to control and feels less tippy. Foot straps allow for more board control and a solid connection to the board but are tricky to get into on takeoff and can be dangerous if you can't eject when falling backwards, the front strap can also get in the way of paddling on a prone foil surf board.
https://youtu.be/IxESgK6ypFM
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To watch all the videos in the How To Foil series, please go to:
https://blueplanetsurf.com/news/how-to-foil-surf-video-series/