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Title: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 01, 2018, 05:01:36 AM
Retiring....though not in a way I'd prefer. My head has finally gotten the better of me. I've started the process of filing for disability. The last year has been tough and the last 6 months in particular. Vertigo has gotten worse, issues driving sometimes, lack of sleep nightmares of falling (vertigo makes EVERYTHING difficult)...memory issues, the list goes on.... :(

I've had problems with work for a while. Difficulty coordinating and scheduling. I used to manage 5 big projects at once...now I struggle with 1. They've been great, very understanding, adjusting my workload and schedule, type of work.....still wasn't enough unfortunately. Lots of doctors visits lately and my GP told me he thought it was time to call it quits a month back. I've had some freaky memory issues and other weird shit that might be medication related that have brought it all to a head. I spoke to my boss and HR a couple weeks ago and they agreed that it was time.

So it kinda sucks to go out this way but I've started to look at the good side of it. I have spent more time on the water the last couple of weeks. The financial hit is going to suck but it is what it is and at least we'll be OK. I'll focus on working on the house and doing some of my hobbies at a higher level. I plan on doing some additional charity work both for the CCBC and community stuff and the honey-do list will always be long (Suzanne is also celebrating me doing all the laundry, house cleaning, and cooking) so I should keep myself busy.

Retirement sounds good but I didn't want to do it this way. Looking forward to spending more time on the water though.....I'm needing the therapy both physical and mental I get from it.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: supthecreek on September 01, 2018, 05:40:47 AM
Can't imagine dealing with constant vertigo, that's gotta suck.

It's awesome that corporate was supportive in the Workxit... shows their respect for you.

Your takeover of the house will probably keep Sue working for decades.
I'll be up to check on your domestic skills.  :)

You have a great yard to putter in, and waterfront to explore.
Enjoy the upsides!



Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfercook on September 01, 2018, 07:15:35 AM
Good luck in the next chapter, stoney. Stay wet!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Night Wing on September 01, 2018, 08:12:28 AM
Sorry to see you had to put yourself into forced retirement because of your health. But, this may be a blessing in disguise that you'll eventually realize.

Good luck in whatever comes your way.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Surfside on September 01, 2018, 08:16:22 AM
So sorry to hear! My lady had that after a bike accident. It was terrible! She found relief after treatments from a balance doctor (not MD) in the Houston Medical Center. If you want the contact info, let me know. Good Luck!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfcowboy on September 01, 2018, 08:29:07 AM
Good luck man. And yes, you will adapt and life will go on. Surround your with friends and great to hear you will get to be of service to others. Itíll keep your head right.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: burchas on September 01, 2018, 08:37:59 AM
Good Luck! Maybe now you could help Bill with his countless shelved projects, that should
probably keep you busy for years ;D
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on September 01, 2018, 08:47:27 AM
Sucks.... but maybe not big time. New chapter, new routine, and probably a new hobby. My brief dealings with vertigo were scary. It hit me once while driving on the freeway, and once in the surf. Those were the times it really scared me. It's an real eye opener of how your mind can play tricks on you in a split second. Getting it bed or sitting around the house isn't as bad, but still sucks. One of my neighbors gets bad migraines and they last for days sometimes. She can't do anything or go anywhere while she has them.
One time I was talking to Pono about my new part time job teaching drafting at a local college and he had mentioned to me that he thought you would make a great instructor. I'd never thought about teaching until one day my friend, who was teaching at this college called me out of the blue and told me about a job opening. I wasn't looking for a job, but it found me. It's been a lot of fun. Pays good, and I'm teaching more classes now.
As for getting out on the water, just prone paddling works to get out on the water. When the vertigo hit me surfing, just being able to close my eyes, lay on my board and paddle was what saved me from something worse.   
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 01, 2018, 09:23:43 AM
Dang, the couple times the vertigo villain hit me was nauseating, can't imagine having it to the point of a forced retirement...ugh.

Sorry to hear that you weren't able to go out on your own terms, but as others have said, it almost sounds like a blessing is disguise, and that you already have some good plans for your new life after retirement, and I'm looking forward to even more of your excellent storytelling, and photojournalism documenting all of the interesting things you have for yourself in the future.

Best wishes, and continued success as you embark on just another new chapter in your life...one w/o really having to meet any deadlines, and when you're in total control of your schedule. Retirement really is better than I ever expected, and I'm sure you'll soon learn that as well once you get into your new routines.

PS. Teaching is a good option, and I think you have a lot to offer the up and coming new generation. On a side note: What a hoot it would be taking a class from TD...guy can talk, has some great knowledge/experience, and a wonderful way of sharing it. Just from your many posts here SA, I think you'd be right up there in that kind of much needed teaching company.  :)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: WhatsSUP on September 01, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
Sorry to hear Stoney, but agree with some others have said in that it very well could be a blessing in disguise.  The good news is you said you can make ends meet....don't need much more than that.  Maybe generate some extra clams with making and selling a couple of Tiki's (furniture, etc.) this fall/winter.  Other positive is you will soon be able to hit the beach whenever there are waves when your vertigo allows.  It'll work out....time for the next chapter!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Admin on September 01, 2018, 10:01:03 AM
Hi Stoney,

It is strange, but losing the ability to do one thing can be the push/shove that it takes to start something new.  At first it is hard not to fight wanting to hold on to the old (hell, a lot of effort went into building up those skills) but the new stuff is where the excitement is and it can be a huge upgrade.  You are a tough nut and, as you know, you have it very good.  I tell myself, there's a lot of people doing a lot more with a lot less - and it is a fact.  Screw the towel.  Happy retirement!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: seadart on September 01, 2018, 10:54:42 AM
I hope you find lots of good things in this forced transition. Don't be afraid to reach out to others who have gone through an involuntary retirement.  Make sure you get to tell an understanding doctor and others about your ambivalent feelings.  It's OK to feel bad about losing some of your self identity.  Make new things important in your life.   Go surfing when you can.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: lopezwill on September 01, 2018, 01:57:31 PM


  Hate hearing this Stoney.  On the upside retirement is wonderful!

  I'm hoping for you that in a year from now you are doing something that is very rewarding for you!  Doing something very fulfilling that you couldn't do while working full time.  8)

I think there is a Hawaiian saying something to the effect, "Go down to the beach...get in the water and you will feel better." Seems to work.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on September 01, 2018, 05:27:54 PM
Congratulations Stoney!

Maybe not exactly to plan, but whose retirement really is?  Most have no plan whatsoever, a few plan but only on the economic aspects, and fewer still have any activities based plans.  You will do well, and with a little luck, and some advancements in treatment, your health will also improve.

I would not be surprised to see a major resurgence in wooden paddles up your way in the very near future. 😁
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 01, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
When I started my research for my book on retirement (read it if you haven't already. It's still in rough form, but it's usable, especially the second section: https://retirement.pressbooks.com/ ) I came across an interesting statistic. The overwhelming majority of American believe they either will never retire or that they will retire later than age 65.  I don't remember the number but 90+ percent sticks in my head.

The average age for retirement is 62.5.

In other words, very few people retire on their expected schedule. So you are not alone. It's common--like bellybuttons. Health reasons and the necessity to act as a caregiver are the two most common reasons.

So buck up, figure out how you're going to handle this, and have a great retirement. If you need coaching, there isn't anyone I've ever heard of who is better at it than me. I don't charge nearly as much for relatives--though I probably should. I have more fun on a random Tuesday that most people do all year.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: all~wet on September 01, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
"Life is what happens while you are making other plans."  ~John Lennon

And strangely enough sometimes these diversions take ua in a direction we'd never have chosen on our own and..... end up being the very best thing that could have happened. Don't look back, make the best and....... enjoy.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Ichabod Spoonbill on September 01, 2018, 07:17:10 PM
Stoney,

You'll always be one of my SUP heroes. Enjoy that retirement, my friend.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 01, 2018, 07:23:03 PM
Thanks for the well wishes and kind words all. It does suck but we'll make it work and I'm already enjoying some of the upside. The high tide thread with the gromparenting beach pics from earlier in the week is retirement in action. I've been on the water almost every day the last two weeks. My wife says my tan already looks like I've spent the summer at the beach and she's jealous. I already have a lot of projects in the works and I'm planning more.....may rip out the master bath this winter just because I now have time. And most importantly I've told Creek he can expect more company.Ö. ;)

Since all this began back in 2004 I always have some level of headache. From a common background pressure that's mostly just annoying to the thankfully rare leave me the fuck alone or I'll rip your face off screaming pain. The headaches I've had beat and continue for the most part to ignore though...they really aren't an issue. It's the damn vertigo and what it does. The vertigo has been 24/7 at some level for almost 15 years...varying from a slight light feeling behind the eyes where it feels like my head is floating a bit high/loose to fall on your face without reason. It is of course the reason I got into SUP to start with.... :P

I thought I had the vertigo beat or had at least minimized it's effects years ago. It's incurable but I had it in a bottle. I guess I fooled myself a bit into thinking it was done with me. I'm not sure why it's gotten bad again other than age but SUP doesn't seem to be having as much of a therapeutic effect as it used to. Or maybe it does and I'd be far worse off without it.... :P . I started having some freakish effects in the last few months from lack of sleep. Try sleeping when the world spins every time you close your eyes...hoping that being able to catch many naps now is going to help so if you see me sleeping at a break you'll understand..... ;D

I'm still dealing with the feelings, tough to let go. I just need to find the new rythym.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on September 01, 2018, 11:08:11 PM
"I'm needing the therapy both physical and mental I get from it."
Trust me, that is easily replaced with other things as soon as you get into them, and the best part is that you won't be burdened with a schedule.
It the schedule end of things that make us burn out no matter what the occupation is.  Eliminate that one portion, and you can concentrate much better, and your end product will improve.
I'm finding that out, it seems like I'm using other parts of my brain once I retired, that have been neglected while being buried with work for years.
I feel healthier now, all the way around, and I liked the job I retired from, a building contractor.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: LM on September 01, 2018, 11:20:43 PM
I'm sorry to hear your retirement isn't on your terms but I'm confident you'll make the most of it.
Wishing you all the best Bob!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: SUPcheat on September 02, 2018, 05:01:54 PM
Sorry to hear it to, but mainly because the 'forced' part of it might feel like failure rather than an opportunity, and you couldn't define the note you went out on.

However, your rampant industriousness will likely lead to a variety of second career option (or hobbies) that you will thrive in on your own schedule.

You have been an inspiration to me when I was struggling with the sport and wondering if I would EVER get anything resembling reasonable balance in SUP.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: spirit4earth on September 02, 2018, 07:19:12 PM
I think retirement will be fun for you, but the vertigo?  Have MRIís, CTís, ENTís given you no diagnosis or course of action?  Thatís disturbing.  I truly hope that some kind of fix is discovered for you.  In the meantime...I admire your strength...and I appreciate your generosity.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on September 03, 2018, 05:19:14 AM
Nothing forced is nice. You are having a rough ride there. I hope you are set for your new deal. At least where you are living seems to be the sort of place that is set up for kicking back and getting wet. Good luck.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: jibemeister on September 03, 2018, 12:16:39 PM
A wise man once told me retirement was the best career decision you will ever make.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on September 04, 2018, 08:10:02 AM
you know why i call you stones?

cuz youve clearly got a big pair--and being shown the door a bit earlier than you might have chosen otherwise will mean nothing to you sooner than you know--and i'd bet youll ultimately appreciate having been nudged

with your stones, your fine family, and with the fact that you got some version of the babcock project gene, you will have full rewarding productive days

i want to say "stay busy and youll forget suboptimal retirement timing, and enjoy a new version of lfe" but then i think "what could be dumber than to say "stay busy" to a babcock"  maybe you should join a fire crew out west?  or create an army of totems?

and for now tho--have fun, and git you in and keep you in water as much as possible!

be well

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: lucabrasi on September 08, 2018, 10:48:03 AM
Saw your post the other day. Came here last night to post some well wishes your way and  was just coming up with nothing to say other than....I wish you the best and hope all goes well for you.
It sucks it's going down like this but I am sure you will find great things in this next chapter. Your head is set for it to be that way I think. 
Quite the journey we are on at times.....
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on September 10, 2018, 06:21:46 AM
hope you got some this past weekend, stones--it was nice down here, and cams around you looked decent

which means i hope your head was good--a good thing is that, when conditions and your head line up, you now wont have work throw a wrench in things--and might be, with work minimized, your head's better?? hope so--be well


Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: SlatchJim on September 10, 2018, 08:28:36 AM
Congrats and condolences come in the same grab bag Stoney, and that bag is called "change." Coincidentally, when change comes, your life will find a new equilibrium (which is a rather sucky metaphor for one suffering from vertigo).  I do hope yours is filled with time on the water, worthwhile projects, a clean house, and improving health. I suspect the Babcock genes are like a perpetual motion machine, and you'll be busier than ever.

Our family is going through something similar. I'm the older brother at 55, and my 48 year old motorcycle cop brother had an accident in May that may end up resulting in a medical retirement. He and you are build of similar cedars, and the accident that would have ripped most people in two, just broke 7 of his ribs and stretched his spinal cord a bit... I say this knowing how much pain it caused, more than I could take.  The doctors decide in October if he's capable of a return, or if his days as an officer are over.   He's healing but I doubt he'll ever be the same.  He's been a surfing and stand up partner since we were kids. My hope is that he can still get on the water somehow.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Wetstuff on September 10, 2018, 10:29:09 AM
Stoney,  I may be one of the few people here who has experienced this, albeit briefly.  I was alone ...and came this ! far from calling 911.  It was totally paralyzing for the better part of an hour and totally terrorizing.  I'm really sorry anyone (Well, I can think of a few world leaders...) would have to experience it, much less the prolonged agony you must be in.

I'm sure you thought of it, but I'd find some research Neuro at Harvard Medical or the like and ask them if they'd like a puzzle to solve.  Best wishes.

Jim
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Rideordie on September 10, 2018, 10:35:01 AM
Stoney,  No real words of wisdom from me.  I am sure you have tried everything, but I just want to share the story of my uncle, just in case it might help you.  He was suddenly struck with a severe case of vertigo that did not subside.  He was in his early seventies  He said that he could not walk and was continually throwing up.  He tried conventional medicine and nothing helped.  Finally, he came across someone who helped him perform a complex series of physical movements that somehow readjusted his inner ears.  He was immediately cured and has had no relapses.  I don't have the details, but if you want I could find out from him.  Wishing you the best.           
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Subber on September 10, 2018, 01:44:33 PM
Stoney,  No real words of wisdom from me.  I am sure you have tried everything, but I just want to share the story of my uncle, just in case it might help you.  He was suddenly struck with a severe case of vertigo that did not subside.  He was in his early seventies  He said that he could not walk and was continually throwing up.  He tried conventional medicine and nothing helped.  Finally, he came across someone who helped him perform a complex series of physical movements that somehow readjusted his inner ears.  He was immediately cured and has had no relapses.  I don't have the details, but if you want I could find out from him.  Wishing you the best.         

I believe it is called "The Epley maneuver or repositioning maneuver is a maneuver used to treat benign paroxysmal positional vertigo (BPPV) of the posterior or anterior canals. ... This maneuver was developed by Dr. John Epley and first described in 1980."

I personally had very bad vertigo and used the Epley maneuver successfully; however, the vertigo would come back.  Until, I started taking a large daily dose of magnesium - hasn't come back in ten years or so since.  Others I know had the same success with the Epley maneuver combined with the magnesium but, of course, theirs likely were not as serious as yours.

Stoney, all the best to you!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 10, 2018, 02:20:37 PM
Thanks again...great to have friends... even online...just wish we could all have a beer together sometimes... :)

I'll be fine. It still sucks no question but in the grand scheme of things and in comparison to so many others I consider myself very lucky. I'm actually already finding that I'm working harder than I was when I was working...??? :o. Winter has me a bit worried when I'll have less I can work on outdoors, but I have a bunch of woodworking projects to do and I'm finally going to start learning to play my Uke. I have a long list of projects that I've thought about over the years, some I've actually designed, maybe now that I have time I'll finally build that woodfired sauna/greenhouse... :)

Unfortunately no cure for this vertigo....nothing left to fix...the vestibular organs and all the rest of the left side inner ear was removed with the tumor. I had one of the best ENT's and Neuro's there is work on me at Mass General Hospital. I'm lucky to live an hour from some of the best Docs in the world. I'd trust Mike McKenna with my life..did obviously..he had sharp knives in my head.... ;) Best doc I've ever had the pleasure to know. He had a crew of harvard research fellows following him around most of the time and they were all pretty fascinated with my case. I'll be seeing him for a new MRI of my head next spring just to make sure nothings growing in there again.

Thanks again for the well wishes and thoughts and best to your bro Slatch.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 13, 2018, 07:12:06 AM
I think something is trying to tell me something. I got a little kick in the ass and reminder to stop feeling sorry for myself a moment ago......and I wrote the words myself about 7 years ago! I was moving a box of old SUP magazines in my cellar and the bottom of the box blew out. An old 2011 Standup paddle mag ends up flopped open on the floor....when I pick it up it's open to the health and fitness article they had on yours truly. I guess the piece of cardboard I stuck in the page way back then helped but the timing was good for me to read it...the pull quote title was "Another chapter in my life began". Reinforced just how lucky I've been.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 17, 2018, 06:33:39 PM
Keeping busy....after a very nice paddle today I came home and started working on my outdoor shower renovation. Bigger, adding a bench inside, nicer floor , beefier structure, better drainage, nice door/gate. The area in front of the shower and cellar bulkhead always puddles when it rains so I'm modifying the downspouts and re-directing the water with some swales. The landscaping will be beach rocks and some native beach grass, driftwood and shells and whatever other stuff I find on the beach.

I poured a pad at the front of the bulkhead. I bought myself a new portuguese dumptruck (my portagee friends name for a two wheel barrow) to mix and pour. Snapped a handle on the old one, the axle was bent and the bucket cracked and leaking. Figured it was time, they usually last me about 6 or 7 years with repairs. I tend to be rough on them.

I need to install some freeze proof sill cocks. I'm going to attach them with washer hoses for easy hook up and draining for winter. Nothing better than getting out of my winter wetsuit under a hot shower. I don't bother changing at the beach anymore in winter, getting too old and cold for that shit. I used to enjoy it, now my teeth start chattering after about 30 secs.... :P
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Zooport on September 17, 2018, 06:48:22 PM
Sorry for you to be forced to retire by your health.  I've dealt with vertigo issues a number of times, but not on the level you are talking about.  Thoughts and prayers going up for your recovery and being able to enjoy retirement. 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on September 18, 2018, 06:51:25 AM
fock stones---now youre making me jealous!

i need an outdoor shower in CT--no time to execute as of now

i did shop a bit and saw some really nice cedar kit approaches--all precut, etc--but youre stick-building which is more fun, if one has time......

enjoy---you dog!!

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 19, 2018, 07:46:10 PM
No worries Zoo. I'll be fine...different but just fine.

EB....Nothing wrong with going with a kit. There are some beautiful ones. I thought about getting one. I just like re-using stuff as much as possible. Saves it from the dump, saves a few bucks and gives me a chance to be a bit creative with it. I built my wife a kitchen island and a new bathroom vanity all from wood I found in the new house. You don't save that much work with a kit honestly though. This is a pretty easy build, hardest part is the posts and you still do that with a kit. I had a couple posts already and I took down 3 sections of cedar fence the previous owner had screening the small pool out back. I took those apart and bought another section. This enclosure is pretty basic...just a fence. I'm going to get a bit funky with the gate, bench, and accessories though.

I'm also going to re-use the old outdoor shower fencing. It matches the fence that is on either side of my shed...which I'm moving later this fall to a new location closer to the house. I'm using the fence to enclose the space behind the shed. Going to have a compost pile there for the new garden I'm building. I'm also adding a lean to addition to the back of the shed to put my rototiller under. I've always had a vegetable garden and there isn't one here so I'm putting in a few raised beds. I'm going to have fun landscaping the yard. It's got good bones but has been neglected for a long time. It's something I can still do well, I like the physical aspect too. I feel good when I hurt a bit after a hard day digging and moving rocks and dirt..... :)

I'm keeping busy..... 8)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: linter on September 22, 2018, 05:00:26 AM

   so sorry for your troubles, sa.  a few weeks ago, i had my first two experiences with vertigo.  sat up in bed twice, the world went upside down, and i flopped back down, no choice in the matter, bam.  since then, no repeats, but twas scary, so i kinda know what you're going through.  sucks.

  how has it effected you on the water?  ever had it strike while out there?

  my muscle wasting disease has gotten the best of me and i now need a cane most of the time, to take some of the weight off my legs and to provide a tripod so i don't keel over so often.  tried supping the other day for the first time in 6 months.  very frustrating.  maybe i'll start a thread about it, try to get some suggestions.

   good luck, my friend, and i hope you enjoy the hell out of your new post-retirement existence!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 22, 2018, 09:05:11 AM
Good to hear from you Linter.

Yeah...it's hit me on the water. Any time I get caught by fog it screws me up. Sometimes even without fog it can get funky. I stay away from others then.

Are you home Eric...Narragansett? If so I'll come down and we can hang. Have you gotten on the water at all. I've often thought that if my head ever gets too much to SUP I'll be sitting down to get out.

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on September 22, 2018, 09:33:06 AM
Stop stones! Youíre not helping my jealousy. I have a beautiful house that Iíd love to spend a year redoing, but really shd keep milking my biz since I can. So the house sits, semi gutted. And I have control-freak issues with just hiring a GC and hoping shit is going right, and Iím not being ripped off, while living/working/pinned down with family issues a 3 hour drive away. And then I see you, with time and energy, knocking shit out with your fine new home......when I finally get going,I will certainly tap you hard for infoómight even be some sorta consulting possibility.

Linter. Jeeze Louise. I had enjoyed your Zonisms and stalked your writing elsewhere a bit, and occasionally wondered where the hell youíd gone. Well, seems youíve been dealing with some shit. Sorry. Hang in there, and yeah, git you some zone..
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 22, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
From the sounds of your gig I think I'd milk it as long as I felt like it. Just remember that the most valuable thing we have at this point in our lives is time...and it sounds like you have the $$$'s well covered so don't wait too long.....:)  The reason I wasn't happy with this is because I enjoyed my job but I am most definitely enjoying the time it's made available. I'd enjoy it more if my wife was also retired but we'll have to wait awhile for that.


LOL...thanks but I'm just a hack. I know what you mean about control issues....I have a hard time letting go of the details myself.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 23, 2018, 09:29:01 AM
It's a family disease. Even when I know someone is better at doing something than I am, I have a tough time letting go. My justification--"how else am I going to learn?" Well I could learn a little delegation instead of getting to the shop at oh dark thirty so I can finish up the PV frame before I need to give back the scissor lift I borrowed.

Fritz is going to be very cool. Once it's finished I need to think of something I'd actually use it for. Why do I want a MoHo? I don't have the slightest idea.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 23, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
The reason I wasn't happy with this is because I enjoyed my job but I am most definitely enjoying the time it's made available. I'd enjoy it more if my wife was also retired but we'll have to wait awhile for that.
Yes, I enjoyed my job more than I think most might their's, as it was more or less going to hang out, and potentially do some really fun, cool, and sometimes terrifying stuff with some of my best buds...and I was really worried that I'd miss the camaraderie, excitement, and incredibly remarkable things I saw, and did the first time I heard sirens, or saw the engines, trucks, and ambulances screaming down the street. :-\

But even though my curiosity was (is still) piqued when I hear, and see them...I find that I truly don't miss it, and that I so value my free time, and ability to do what I want, when I want, and not have all the aches, pains, and stresses that many of the calls put on my body that seemed to last longer, and longer the older it got (the FD really is a "young man's" sport), that retirement has been one of the best things that's happened to me, and I can't recommend it highly enough to those who are able do it as soon as possible as well. JMHO naturally...YMMV.  8) :)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on September 23, 2018, 04:31:54 PM

   so sorry for your troubles, sa.  a few weeks ago, i had my first two experiences with vertigo.  sat up in bed twice, the world went upside down, and i flopped back down, no choice in the matter, bam.  since then, no repeats, but twas scary, so i kinda know what you're going through.  sucks.

  how has it effected you on the water?  ever had it strike while out there?


I had it happen to me recently on the water. No one was around and I was surfing an outer reef break in Hawaii. I dove under a few good size waves and when I came up the whole world was sideways. Very scary. I climbed on my board with my eyes closed and started paddling for shore. I just bear hugged my board when the white water hit me from behind. Still keeping my eyes closed. After a few minutes I realized one of my ear plugs had popped out, so I pulled the other one out and opened my eyes. Luckily the horizon started level out. I was actually able to stand up and paddle back to the shore with no further issues. It's happened to me in bed as well a bunch of times. There is a technique you'll find on YouTube that shows you how to get the crystals in your inner ear to reset. It has to do with laying on your back in bed with your head hanging off the bed. Then you perform a series of slow rolls from one side to the other. It fixes it just like that. 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 23, 2018, 06:20:37 PM
Funny bro...I always wondered what you were doing with a motor home.....I had kind of figured you just got the idea it would be fun to hack one..... :D. You've done some very cool stuff to him though....I'm sure you'll enjoy the trips down the coast. I need to get out there for one... :)

As bad as the vertigo is sometimes SUP is an amazing thing. If the horizon is sharp it can still surprise me what I can do. I can be stumbling on land and still go out and paddle into some messy stuff and not fall. It seems so strange sometimes. I still feel like I need to pinch myself sometimes. The good thing is I'm starting to feel the benefit of lots of water time. I felt comfortable driving on the highway for the 1st time in a month....went apple picking with the family. As part of my new domestic duties my wife mentioned I should make the apple pies and jelly.... :P

I'm actually one of the lucky ones. A lot of folks that have this are simply toast from the get go. The vertigo is the killer for most but the headaches can be bad too, eye problems are also common. The left side of my face slumps some but my eye does close. It didn't for a short while after the surgery but I can close it enough to surf now even if it is a bit weak. I have terrible tinnitus but unless I think about it I don't notice it. It was worse before surgery, it warbled, changed frequency, far more annoying...now it's a single high pitched tone that becomes white noise. I have synkinesis, weird...basically cross wired the nerve for tears and saliva when healing...when I eat something, especially something hot...my left eye starts crying..... :'(Ö. :o
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 24, 2018, 08:10:47 PM
Time to get a pup. This is the longest I've gone (1.5 years) without a dog in my life. We had discussed it when we moved but agreed that we would wait until retirement since pups take so much time. One of the boat Captains for the CCBC does transport for a local rescue shelter...picking up dogs from kill shelters. I'm going to talk to him about finding me one. One part of me wants to find some old dog that has been abandoned and needs someone to love them. The other part wants a puppy that will bond with me and my family that I can train, and that I can be sure doesn't have behavioral issues (concern for young grandkids). I think the pup has to be the way I go but I'm also thinking of volunteering at the local shelter....taking dogs out for a walk and such...good for both of us.

Not sure that there is a better therapy than dog slobber. I still miss my last dog terribly...I have a hard time eating the last bite of sandwiches...she got the last bite of every one for 15 years....can't wait to share again.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 24, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
Good idea. Be rational though. Pick a breed that doesn't kill all that many people. Yeah, yeah, I know, pit bulls are sweet, it's the owners not the dogs. All true until they aren't.

I get the old dog thing, nice thought, but if someone is asshole enough to ditch a dog because it's old it's likely it didn't get the best upbringing. Besides, the worst thing about dogs is that they don't outlive us.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 25, 2018, 06:10:36 PM
But yes, get a dog. You're overdue for one.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 25, 2018, 06:49:13 PM
Yes on all of the above....though I have no qualms about Jacqui's dog. Great dog...of course she isn't one of the 120 lb pits either.

I'm looking for a small mixed breed of water dogs. I prefer mutts...labs, goldens....I'd love to find a Golden or Lab mixed with Nova Scotia Duck Trolling retriever. Almost any smaller water dog combo would work though. English Lab/poodle/spaniel/setter. I prefer female dogs. A dog small enough to take paddling but still big enough/strong enough to work....35-50 lbs or so. I'm looking forward to the training. Haven't seriously trained a dog since Conan. Quahogging by dog was unique...:). Samba just kind of trained herself to play soccer, though Jacqui worked with her quite a bit. Kasha's training...Jacqui's dog, was just basic obedience. She's a smart animal and eager to please. I thought about training her and taking her to one of those dog jumping competitions where they jump off a dock. If she had wings she would fly. She jumped an easy 20'-25', 6' off the ground once when we were just playing. And she left the ground just after running up some stairs not after running a straight away. She jumped over my shoulder, cleared most of the lower deck, all of the upper, the holly bush, and landed in the driveway...... :o. But she doesn't really like the water.... :P
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on September 25, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
Jack Russell terrier's are perfect if you want to feel like you're never able to paying enough attention to them, or want to constantly feel guilty and insufficient ::) 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 25, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
I've thought about a Jack...I love the energy....I think, and the intelligence, but they are a but too small for me
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: OUTSIDEWAVE on September 25, 2018, 11:05:26 PM
Mid sized labradorite   we have a125 golden /moose mix  swims like fish a 100 lb berne see and 2 mini labradoodles both swim like fishes my male lab doodle is about as tough and smart as they come   but they are very popular  so pricy   I think if u looked hard they will start showing up at shelters   I got to agree a golden  duck tollojng retrivervwould be a hell of a fiber water dog if you could find a medium doodle   45n50 lbs  or a small female golden might be ideal   God knows I love Goldens 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: WhatsSUP on September 26, 2018, 04:03:16 AM
Stoney, Pup is a GREAT idea!!!!! 

How can you resist!

My "Brady"....all grown up and turning 7 next month!

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on September 26, 2018, 04:25:09 AM
Just got back from a beach walk with our four Yorkies. Tomorrow the Doberman has her chance. Sadly to say a wonderful- to humans- Jack imprint trained the Doby to think all little ones will attack and she canít mix with the Yorkies as a result.

These critters are definetly, after all the work and hassles, a plus for my psychological well being.

Good luck on your pup hunt.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 26, 2018, 06:12:33 AM
Best water dog I ever had was Conan....he was lab and something...Shepard, I think Malinois or Belgian. He would dive to 10' to retrieve rocks and quohoggs and would swim for miles....I found him...fortunately....1/2 mile from shore one time when I had gone fishing with friends and he tried to follow the boat.... ::). Amazing hunting dog....never lost a bird. he would break ice to go for a swim....he was nuts....loved fireworks.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 26, 2018, 06:26:57 AM
I've never experienced a smart Golden, or one that wasn't just off in it's own little world. Crappy breeding for looks, methinks. Labs are 50/50 on smart, but always loyal and trying to please. The shorter ones tend to be hardier, actually a separate line of the breed, generally called English. Shorter legs, barrel chest. I had one that could outrun my bicycle when I was on wet sand and he was chest deep in water. Shoulda named him Freight Train.

Almost any Lab mix would be a good dog for you. Springers, Britannies, and the upland game dogs can be high maintenance. I love Britannies, but it's easy to get one that acts like a balloon in a high wind on a leash. It's nice to have a dog that just wants to hang out with you, but will also do the nutball stuff you want to do.

I'd never have a pit bull or any other high-risk dog--if nothing else just for the liability. If you own a lab and it takes a chunk out of the neighbor kids face, it's a tragedy, but probably not your fault. If it's a pit bull, stand by to be in hock for the rest of your life. More likely though it would be your face, or one of the grandkids. In the USA, 51,000 injuries requiring sutures or plastic surgery per year from Pit Bulls alone. That ends all the discussion for me.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Zooport on September 26, 2018, 06:55:56 AM
My pit bull story:  A new neighbor moved in across the street in Newport with a pit bull.  The first day they were there, we were walking our dogs at the same time, mine are small lap dogs.  The lady was very friendly and came right up to us with her giant dog, introducing herself in a very friendly way and apparently wanting our dogs to interact.

I hate pit bulls, and was not very diplomatic in telling her that I did not want her dog near my little dogs.  She was deeply offended and said her dog has never and would never hurt anyone and stomped away.  She called out to me as she left, "You are a very rude man."  I later apologized to her, and felt a little ashamed of myself for my reaction. 

About 6 months later, her dog bit mine in the face and dug a tooth through my little dog's sinus, just missing her eyes.  After a $600 vet bill, which I made sure was paid by my neighbor, my little dog was Ok, but my dog could have easily been killed or blinded.  So I still hate pit bulls, perhaps even more than before.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on September 26, 2018, 07:41:49 AM
i love dogs--and id love to have one or two--and so would my family--but i am seriously allergic--even to allegedly hypoallergenic dogs (which dont exist except in the minds and promo mat'l of those who sell these dogs--at least acc to WebMD, etc)

in college my allergies werent so bad and shared a bullmastiff with my girlfriend at the time--what a great dog---and i dont think a potentially violent breed--despite the bulldog portion of the breed--my guy weighed 140lbs full grown--kids used to wrestle in a pile with him--no issue--he'd roar like a lion when someone came to the door, but his stump of a tail wagged the whole time--as tho he barked by obligation but really didnt give a shit

i had always thought it was the owner, not the breed--but after pb ranted a bit re pits, i read up--he's right--they tend to violence at a much higher rate than avg, so much so that it clearly aint about ahole owners---and when they go awry they are armed in ways most other dogs arent

more jealousy stones--i cant have a dog--and at this time in my life regular walks would be a plaeasure, not a stressor--and the rest of owning a dog is all pleasure--and we have a big empty 4 story house in brooklyn, which a dog would love bounding around in---every so often i test myself and make contact with a dog, to see if ive "grown out" of my adult onset allergies---immediate hives, ventolin etc--sux---dogs are so great
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: SlatchJim on September 26, 2018, 08:54:13 AM
We're dog folks too Stoney and it sounds like you have a good grasp of the type you want.  I hope you find the right mix.

Our history includes a 1/2 golden-1/2 lab mix, her 3/4 lab-1/4 golden son, a mutt rescue that looked like Benji, and now a puggle rescue that loves the beach but not a water dog at all.  All were good dogs around kids, but the Benji look alike hated other dogs. The puggle is not a smart dog, but it loves to play, run and snuggle, so for us she's perfect.  She's only about 3 or 4 now, so we have years of water avoidance and remedial trick education ahead.

My daughter's boyfriend is in vet college in Sydney now, and he's the son of a vet too.  His family has a Wheaten Terrier that is an absolute sweetheart, smart as can be, and soft as microfiber.  I think they got it from a breeder friend at whatever deal they give their vet, but it was still 10 times more than our rescue-dog.  Not sure if it's what you'd call a water dog.  When I think water dog, I think Lab and Lab mixes.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 26, 2018, 12:47:41 PM
Kasha...my daughters Pit female is 45 lbs. She's had her from a pup. She likes other dogs, unless they are aggressive, loves cats, and loves people, especially our family of course. She has a very gentle mouth. if she thinks I'm playing too rough with the kids she'll hold my wrist in her mouth.

My daughter was walking her with a friend and her poodle puppy on the waterfront in Plymouth. A golden retriever attacked the puppy, Kasha attacked the golden, knocking it down and then just pinned it holding it by the neck....she never even broke it's skin.

My daughter was raking the yard and my granddaughter...then 4 was playing in the yard. A neighbors dog came running into the yard barking and running towards my granddaughter....Kasha..who runs like a greyhound intercepted the dog about 10' away....didn't bite it...rammed it with her chest and sent it flying, then straddled it growling.

The only person she has ever growled at was the scumbag neighbor we used to have. She did not like him....good taste too.

Statistics are also screwed Bill...Pit mixes are one of the most common dogs in shelters. I'd like to see the statistics on dogs that are raised from a puppy by one caring family that has trained it.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on September 26, 2018, 01:01:55 PM
Certain breeds make good rescue dogs. Most hunting -water-, and companion dogs would fit the bill.
I think most working dogs are better to get as a pup for guaranteed sociability.  In a household with no kids and no other cats or dogs anything is possible.
But not knowing about the first years of a strong breeds life makes for a tricky adoption.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Board Stiff on September 26, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
Stoney - Sorry to hear about your health troubles, but congrats and best wishes on your retirement!

BS
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 27, 2018, 07:43:46 AM
I think you got the cart in front of the horse. Pit Bulls are the most common dogs in shelters and that's why they cause 50,000 serious injuries to people a year? I've looked at the statistics, mostly from people defending the breed, and the conclusions they come to astonish me. One site that claims to have better statistics because they are peer-reviewed concluded (after saying that pit bulls represent 40 percent of the population in shelters) that the pit bull population was much greater than the 3.91 million population number generally estimated because they are the third most common dog adopted from shelters. You have to laugh at that one.

You can raise a Tiger to live among a family, some people do. I wouldn't.


Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on September 27, 2018, 08:08:31 AM
I think you got the cart in front of the horse. Pit Bulls are the most common dogs in shelters and that's why they cause 50,000 serious injuries to people a year? I've looked at the statistics, mostly from people defending the breed, and the conclusions they come to astonish me. One site that claims to have better statistics because they are peer-reviewed concluded (after saying that pit bulls represent 40 percent of the population in shelters) that the pit bull population was much greater than the 3.91 million population number generally estimated because they are the third most common dog adopted from shelters. You have to laugh at that one.

You can raise a Tiger to live among a family, some people do. I wouldn't.
You have to admit though that Pit Bulls are stupid cool. They also seem to be very popular among a low income and homeless demographic. For protection I'm sure. Growing up we always had German Shepherds. Smart dogs for our blue collar protection. One of them did bite the mailman one time in our yard, which was not good. 
My sister has had a few Newfoundlands. Even though they have webbed feet for swimming we could never get them out into the water with us. They are big heavy, lazy slobber machines.... but happy dogs. Mutts seem to live longer;D
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 27, 2018, 11:14:18 AM
OK Bill I get it...so don't get a Pit. You're welcome to your opinion. Many of the attacks from Pit Bulls come from people rescuing them from shelters and then getting bit. And because so many are in shelters the numbers get skewed, not sure how that doesn't affect your statistics.  I wouldn't rescue a Pit or a Rotty or a Doberman...there's a whole long list of breeds I would not have at all, another that I wouldn't rescue unless they were pups. If a scumbag raises a dog to be protection then abandons it and somebody rescues it and keeps it despite it showing aggression that's simply stupid. Lots of stupid people out there rescuing dogs that have bad history. If I rescued any dog and it showed any signs of aggression...it's gone...I don't care what breed it is. Every Pit that I've known that has been raised in a loving caring family has been a good dog. I'll base my opinion on my own observations but the AKC agrees.

"The American Staffordshire Terrier, known to their fans as AmStaffs, are smart, confident, good-natured companions. Their courage is proverbial. A responsibly bred, well-socialized AmStaff is a loyal, trustworthy friend to the end."


Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on September 27, 2018, 12:22:59 PM
That is a good looking dog Bob. Anything but a lap dog.... please! My neighbor is a big guy and has 3 little Rat Dogs ( Chihuahuas ) OMG. Little yap machines that nip at your ankles from behind. They don't potty train well either. Their whole house is tile floors because of it:(  I don't get the attraction.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on September 27, 2018, 12:34:08 PM
I have no idea whether it's inherent to the breed of to the people who acquire them, but when a dog that represents 2 percent of the population is responsible for 50 percent of the fatal attacks, 51 percent of attacks requiring surgery, 62 percent of the serious attacks on other pets and 40 percent of the dogs surrendered to shelters, I detect a problem. If it's rescue dogs that are the problem I have to wonder--why were they surrendered in numbers 20 times their relative population to begin with?

I never care much about anecdotal evidence, but three of the three people I know (excluding Jacqui) who have Pit Bulls have had serious attacks in their family. One of them was a rescue dog--a smallish female. The others raised from a pup by people I'd expect to be good to their dog.

I didn't mean to start a debate, just stated that I would never get a high risk dog and gave my reasons. My personal reasons. I know you love all dogs, I think you should get one right away.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Zooport on September 27, 2018, 02:04:06 PM
I have no idea whether it's inherent to the breed of to the people who acquire them,

I hate pit bulls, but I don't think it's as much the breed as it is the capabilities of the dog.  My little lap dogs would be as likely to attack someone that seemed threatening as would a pit bull.  The difference is they are not capable of doing as much damage and are easier to stop.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 27, 2018, 02:24:58 PM
I don't mind little dogs but they aren't for me.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on September 27, 2018, 04:46:39 PM
That is a good looking dog Bob. Anything but a lap dog.... please! My neighbor is a big guy and has 3 little Rat Dogs ( Chihuahuas ) OMG. Little yap machines that nip at your ankles from behind. They don't potty train well either. Their whole house is tile floors because of it:(  I don't get the attraction.
From my personal experience only, I've known a couple of Pit Bulls, both very friendly, Pretzel and Pinky, I've known or been around many Chihuahuas, I think Chihuahuas are one of the most evil Cujos ever bred, mean sons of bitches.  Even when you think there might be a friendly one, he'll bite you on the way out the door.
But that's just me, and I'm a dog lover.  :P
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 28, 2018, 08:18:34 AM
This has been a strange feeling for me. I love dogs and cats both. I've always had both except for few very short periods in my life. My daughters commented once that so many of the picture of me when I was a kid I have a cat in my arms or a dog with me or both.

We're also getting a cat....my wife doesn't know it yet but I'm looking for a Maine Coon or Norwegian Forest for her.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on September 28, 2018, 09:38:31 AM
LOL...so funny this showed up on FB today. This dog actually looks just like my daughters...except that she's been trained not to jump. Can't break her from licking though...:)

I think I saw Bill run out the door.....:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElniJgYScIU
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Zooport on October 01, 2018, 04:57:52 AM
That's hilarious.  Those guys must not have much experience with dogs because that dog was obviously friendly; tail was wagging and it's body language was not saying attack. 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 01, 2018, 08:59:05 AM
Maybe I should take up dog training as a side hustle....:) I've always been good with dogs. I was always bringing home strays. We already had a dog so I couldn't keep them but I'd either find the owner if I could or find a new one for it if I couldn't. They were always better behaved and trained than when I found them.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on October 01, 2018, 10:28:04 AM
There's a surprising amount of money in it, mostly because it works well to train multiple dogs simultaneously, but also because people love their pets. Even just dog sitting is a reasonably remunerative thing.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Tom on October 01, 2018, 04:05:35 PM
Stoney, we can't stop out dog from licking visitors. We taught him to go get one of his toys and bring it to who ever comes to visit. He can't lick them with a toy in his mouth and sometimes he gets a new playmate
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 01, 2018, 06:18:19 PM
That's a good idea but she only does it to those she's real close too. She stops when told but always gets a couple licks in....
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on October 01, 2018, 06:22:07 PM
We have the same problem, Diane spent some time in obedience training classes but she can't seem to break me of it.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on October 01, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
This has been a strange feeling for me. I love dogs and cats both. I've always had both except for few very short periods in my life. My daughters commented once that so many of the picture of me when I was a kid I have a cat in my arms or a dog with me or both.

We're also getting a cat....my wife doesn't know it yet but I'm looking for a Maine Coon or Norwegian Forest for her.
We love dogs but like the convenience of cats when we travel. You can leave cats for weeks and just have a neighbor check them daily. You get home and they could care less. Dogs you have to walk a couple times a day and they'll cry and bark if you leave them too long. Cats automatically use their cat litter box from day one. No squishy warm plastic bags to carry on your walks. Cats don't piss neighbors off by barking all night. Cats don't bite or maim children. Cats can and will annoy you, and walk on your face when you're sleeping. If they don't like their food, they'll puke it up on the carpet to let you know. They don't like doors closed, and will leave specific organs of mice cleaned off, right under the dining room table. It's a gift!
My brother in law has a Maine Coon and it's huge. Twice the size of our cats. His had has had some bone issues and a few surgeries. Our last cat lived 22 years. Indoor only.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 01, 2018, 06:41:32 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on October 05, 2018, 09:34:52 AM
allergic to cats too--so on go

my friend has a siamese that is allowed to move freely outside and in--she often brings mice into the house--watching her playfully kill them over 20 or 30 mins scares me-do big cats who have humans under control do this to them? yikes
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on October 05, 2018, 10:52:01 AM
do big cats who have humans under control do this to them? yikes

That and worse. They turn injured prey over to the cubs to teach them. It would be a very long afternoon.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on October 05, 2018, 01:47:35 PM
Reminds me of the story from India about a Tiger who swam out into the middle of a river and plucked one of three fishermen off a small boat.  He dragged the screaming victim to the bank and incapacitated him.  Then, he very methodically swam out and grabbed a second.  Apparently, he could easily have gone back for the third, but then no one would have been left to tell the story.

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 05, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Cats are absolutely vicious animals....those that aren't lazy anyway. I've had many....from one that would fall asleep as a mouse ran by to one that killed everything in a 200' radius. He would chase squirrels up trees, take birds on the wing, leaping out of trees 15' from the ground...most bizarre and athletic cat we ever had. He'd climb 60' up and hang in the top of a tree. When he came down he swung like a monkey...using his two front feet with his hind swinging free mostly. He feared nothing....I think a coyote got him...he probably attacked the damn thing... ::)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel-Showers done
Post by: stoneaxe on October 19, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
Done...for the moment....I have a few other things I need to get done so what remains will wait a bit....plumbing changes still to do, a little more landscaping...other than that though...done.

Wetsuit rack, interior shelves and bench
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on October 20, 2018, 01:13:07 AM
Nice job Stoney!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on October 20, 2018, 04:50:03 AM
jealous!  well done--appropriate build---plenty nice, not overdone--all of it, incl the stone floor

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Ichabod Spoonbill on October 20, 2018, 05:09:02 AM
Damn Stoney, you have skills I have not!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 23, 2018, 08:00:40 PM
Thanks...still not completely happy. Once I have the plumbing done I'm building a panel to cover the piping...has to be hinged so I can hide the hose bibbs but still access. I don't like the LED post caps....antiqued bronze is meh and they aren't bright enough...bought off amazon. I'll get something better and move those out back by my shed.

You could do this Ian. Square cuts and fence brackets.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 23, 2018, 08:13:59 PM
This was fun...surprisingly easy too. Sue saw one in a local shop and asked me to make one. I had the rocks already. I bought the rod, harp, cord, and socket, add a chunk of scrap wood ....and 2 diamond bits. Not sure I like the wood choice all that much, may change it. Think I'll make some chistmas gifts this year.... :)

The table it sits on is kind of cool....also made from some scrap found under the house. Sue's Dad had an old tool box, I cleaned it up and made it the table top....removable for use as a lap desk.

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on October 23, 2018, 08:45:32 PM
Love this!  Did you have any problems while drilling with the rocks splitting?
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 23, 2018, 09:21:41 PM
No...none at all....water drip on the drill and you twist it/spiral as you drill. Less than a minute a stone. I did burn out a bit when I used it on my drill press. Straight doesn't work...you are actually supposed to spiral it some. I'm going to make a few at the same time...I figure I can build 3 of them in 4-6 hours now. I need to find some longer bits though....can't go much thicker with what I have and I want to use some bigger rocks. I may actually buy myself a hammer drill....I'm interested in doing some other work with stone and it would be better....cheaper bits and longer.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on October 23, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
You never use a hammer drill motor with Diamond bits. Turns them into non-diamond bits in about a second. Here's another good reason you should live closer, I have two of them gathering dust. I try to avoid using them. And no, you can't drill rocks with a hammer bit, at least I don't think you can. They don't so much cut as chip. Good for concrete, and that's about it as far as I can see. Most of my hammer drill bits are three feet long--saves the back.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on October 24, 2018, 05:26:46 AM
jeez stones, having much fun?

love the lamp--evokes all the rock piles ive seen in my short life--and rock piles seem to be in important places--tops of mountains ive climbed--gorgeous beaches ive hiked to--etc etc--

your babcock genes are clearly happy and active--might be you start knitting and crocheting soon--why not? just another buld puzzle to solve and execute

have fun, you dog--im sitting in frt of a bunch of computers watching trades go up my.......hoping i can find a way to pull them out

not surprised stox are having trouble--but my normal trades are doing weird stuff---happens---if it was easy we'd all be rich and our money would be worth nothing....

good news round here comes sunday--morning in LI, afternoon in new england....money dont matter in the water!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 24, 2018, 06:38:32 AM
I know you don't use diamond with a hammer.... :)

Hammer drills for stone for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN23GO1c2Y8
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on October 24, 2018, 06:57:30 AM
think sunday afternoon. stones!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 24, 2018, 07:18:01 AM
I enjoy having the time to do this but honestly I miss work. Good crew, interesting and important projects....doing this stuff is fun but not as fulfilling. Still feels like something is missing.

Hopefully I'll be able to drive Sunday.... :)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on October 24, 2018, 12:16:17 PM
Now I'm building my daughter a couple of benches while I also watch her daughter.....fun little munchkin..... :)

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on November 14, 2018, 08:20:29 AM
Phew.....head freaking out this week.....crazy today. Vertigo off the charts when I woke....stumbling around grabbing on to shit....I need a paddle for dry land....;) It's been off an on for the last couple Ö...haven't surfed at all...no driving to distant waves...... >:(

Good thing I have other hobbies....I've become quite the cook..most some of the time...and my artistic side is being rekindled...
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,34241.0.html

Benches came out well also IMNSHO

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on November 14, 2018, 10:18:24 AM
hang in there stones--seems you are doing so, but encouragement cant hurt

and neither can recognition that you are a badass, not letting your head crap own you

nor can recognition that you clearly have a great wife, based on what ive read here over the years, incl over at the wave art link....

hope current head crap has normalized, or at least will do so in time for what might be a decent fri/sat swell

still want to get a sesh/feed/drink with you some day--not this wknd where ill be surfing near home cuz it's the big bad scary six oh! NO! NO! not the six oh!!!!   i can fill my muscle mass withering away...........
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on November 14, 2018, 01:46:20 PM
Sorry to hear about the head crap Stoney. I've had a few minor vertigo spells in the past few weeks. Only last a couple of seconds though. Mostly when I looking down and then look up. The next benches need to have some totem legs and longboard bench tops with ebony stringers 8)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on November 27, 2018, 07:16:28 PM
Fuck....nice waves today, didn't leave the house, seems like every time we have waves lately my head is too screwed up to do anything about it. I watched the Jaws Challenge and Longboard championships......hard core charging massive shit and then grace and beauty on chest high waves....not sure if it helped or made me more frustrated but both were amazing to watch.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on November 27, 2018, 08:34:38 PM
Sometimes we all have to put things in perspective, reflect, and realize how good we have it. Waves come and go. When your head gets straight the waves will be there. It's worse when I know it's good, I can physically see it and I could be there in 10 minutes, but I can't go because of stuff..... It'd be easier if I lived an hour from the beach and couldn't see it.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on November 28, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Yeah...I know that these are 1st world problems. I've spent a lot of time considering just how lucky I am. I have been keeping busy for the most part but I'm jonesing to get out there.....I may just start walking to the beach. I have a Mule and it's just a bit over a mile. Walk would be good for me too....I had thoughts about a bike...e-bike actually but had 2nd thoughts when the vertigo starting getting bad again. I'll get out there, may have to start bumming rides....:). I'll be covered when my buddy Tim goes on the weekends...he said he'll text whenever he's going out and headed this way. He also has one of the most awesome surf shacks you could want.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on November 28, 2018, 01:08:54 PM
1st world or not, sorry youre having a tough run in here, stones

you seem good at putting one foot in front of the other--just keeping on with things often yields better circumstances

hang in there
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: toolate on November 28, 2018, 01:12:27 PM
chronic vertigo is really brutal.
My sister gets relief from dry needleing and manipulation. Clearly those are not evidence  based.

Do you think it might be migraine? Migraine vertigo can occur without theheadaches.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on November 28, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
LOL...one foot in front of the other is a bad analogy for a guy with vertigo..... ;D

Nothing they can do for me.....long story short.....surgery to remove a tumor on my vestibular nerve. I have no vestibular system on my left side. SUP has been my therapy but it's not working like it used to as I get older. I have no intentions of stopping anytime soon but I have more woodworking tools than SUP gear on my Xmas list..... :P
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on November 28, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
Yeah...I know that these are 1st world problems. I've spent a lot of time considering just how lucky I am. I have been keeping busy for the most part but I'm jonesing to get out there.....I may just start walking to the beach. I have a Mule and it's just a bit over a mile. Walk would be good for me too....I had thoughts about a bike...e-bike actually but had 2nd thoughts when the vertigo starting getting bad again. I'll get out there, may have to start bumming rides....:). I'll be covered when my buddy Tim goes on the weekends...he said he'll text whenever he's going out and headed this way. He also has one of the most awesome surf shacks you could want.

Damn too bad you're so far away. A three-wheeler with fat tires would do the trick.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on November 28, 2018, 02:26:30 PM
I've thought about it...if this continues and I eventually can't drive at all that will be a definite. I'll have to give my truck to Aria.....when I bought it she was 4.....she says (in the innocence of youth) "Grampy...when you die can I have your truck?"....I told her it was already 1/2 hers and she smiled. Ever since then she has called it "our truck". She was very excited when I put a SUP'n Girls sticker on the window behind her seat.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on November 28, 2018, 03:41:24 PM
I've been walking down to the beach almost daily for the past 6 months. It's the first thing I do in the morning. It's only .3 miles to the beach, but there's a good hill and I'll walk 2 miles along the beach. About 3 miles round trip, then sit in front of the computer for 10 hours. The walking get my legs stronger than the paddling. I just started back at getting my shop back in order. New shelves and racks, and a better more versatile layout. Shape boards and build doors...etc. 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on November 28, 2018, 03:47:05 PM
I actually haven't been using mine. wouldn't be the easiest conversion since I think the axles would need some kind of beefing up. They are one-sided on the front wheels. I'd probably need to add hoops to make a through-axle. Rear end is the drive wheel, and I have the widest tire that will fit already. That would need to change. But I'll look at all that. It would have plenty of float.

The other option is a standard fat tire bike with a double front or back wheel. Probably the front would be better. A company called Rungu makes one for about 2K non-electric or $5K electric. I wouldn't do their electric--it's a lot of money for a weenie 750 watt hub motor. Add the BaFeng mid-drive motor I gave you and a battery and you're done. A 52V LiON battery would be about $300-600 depending on what you need for range. These things stand up on their own. I tried one at the PPG a couple of years ago. fun, works fine on sand, and stupid stable. No kickstand required. Probably easier to build one of these out of two Walmart Mongooses for $400 than to mod my Cattrike.  Certainly doesn't need suspension.

(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20988508_663922780473340_6966157938889016330_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=c5dc202767ef61e69115cd50a53ce89d&oe=5CB0EC06)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on November 28, 2018, 08:31:03 PM
I'm not really sure any bike would be suitable truthfully thinking about it....it's not just that I might fall over....I could easily head left into traffic..... :P
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 08, 2019, 08:05:22 PM
I think I've decided to say to hell with it and just do the electric fat bike after all. Being stuck in the house is driving me crazy. At least I'll be able to get to the beach. I'll just have to be careful. I'll make a SUP trailer to pull behind it....mule on steroids.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on January 08, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
I'm not really sure any bike would be suitable truthfully thinking about it....it's not just that I might fall over....I could easily head left into traffic..... :P

Thatís easy Stoney, just ride on the left side of the road, Aussie style😁
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on January 08, 2019, 10:55:19 PM
I think I've decided to say to hell with it and just do the electric fat bike after all. Being stuck in the house is driving me crazy. At least I'll be able to get to the beach. I'll just have to be careful. I'll make a SUP trailer to pull behind it....mule on steroids.

I'm very happy with the Mongoose fatbike I built. It's a very easy conversion and the components are fine as they are. The junkiest part is the bottom bracket and you ditch that anyway. Make sure you get the disk brake version--it's about 200 bucks. You can even get it delivered free from Amazon Prime or just your local walmart. A standard mule works fine at bike speeds or get a longboard rack like I did.


https://www.amazon.com/Mongoose-Dolomite-Mountain-26-Inch-Wheels/dp/B00J7J40TM

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91gEELfSWkL._SL1500_.jpg)

Get some spare tubes or do the gunk for flat proofing. the tires are very lightweight and are easily punctured. I had two flats before I got wise and added heavy duty tubes and spares with pump. Easy to fix the flat since you can pull the tire off the rim with your fingers once it's flat but you still need a wrench to remove the wheel--no quick disconnect.

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37060405_10155842800523668_8518620078843887616_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeGkjn33CykuZmElJpLnJ6ntWCbSeLG-Nujeat4OyBhVc3oq8n27PXfLuXsml9FTeSau7BUFroGT2HW9TATVOTBMCFQxHpjkf6bzGXWDOamXiw&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=7d6492b3be48f975a52502af040011b4&oe=5CC881D1)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 09, 2019, 11:29:44 AM
Just ordered it. Along with a fat ass saddle and some lights. Need to get a helmet.

Also still need to get the battery pack. What do you suggest....any change from earlier?

I have a Mule....I think I'll beef it up a bit and get better ground clearance but it should be fine.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: ukgm on January 09, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
I think I've decided to say to hell with it and just do the electric fat bike after all. Being stuck in the house is driving me crazy. At least I'll be able to get to the beach. I'll just have to be careful. I'll make a SUP trailer to pull behind it....mule on steroids.

I've been racing bikes for years but my fat bike is my favorite bike I own. It goes anywhere, can tackle anything and has amazing levels of traction. You'll love it.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on January 09, 2019, 12:06:31 PM
Wow, I really like those tires on that Mongoose Dolomite.  I do about 75% of my riding on asphalt, so those Kenda Juggernauts I have are wearing out fairly quickly, but those look like they'd be more asphalt friendly.  They make fat tires that are strictly for asphalt, but those won't work for me.

I looked online to try to find those, starting with Mongoose, but the only thing I could come up with are these, close, but not exactly.https://www.amazon.com/4-0-Bicycle-Tire-Black-P-1215/dp/B06WP8683W/ref=sr_1_22?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1547063413&sr=1-22&keywords=fat+bike+26x4+tires
But maybe they are the same tire?
If anyone knows what they are, let me know here, thanks.

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on January 09, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
I like the Luna cycle batteries. Get a battery that suits the likely range of your travels. I tend to go big, but if your longest likely ride is 20 miles and you pedal a bit, and don't live in a town that has hills like a cow's face then something in the 15AH range should be plenty. The Bafang HD I sent you will take either 48V or 52V. the 52 give a bit more range and power, but at a premium price. In theory, the BBSHD motor you have uses 750 watts per hour, but you are not going to use that much unless you are at full throttle and never pedal. With typical assist its more like 300 watts/hour average. 48V at 15AH is 720-watt-hours, good for probably two hours at 20 mph average, or 40 miles. 52V at the same 15AH is 780 watt-hours which might not seem worth it, but you'll have a bit more zip, a bit longer.

This is what I have, and I get about 60 miles out of it. Actually, that's a lie, I forget to charge it all the time, so I don't really know what I get. I haven't run out of battery with it yet. And I ride nutty Hood River hills. Undoubtedly overkill for you. Make sure you get a charger.

https://lunacycle.com/triangle-52v-panasonic-ga-18650-17ah-pack-high-power-long-range/
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on January 09, 2019, 04:13:56 PM
Weasel, they don't look like it. For that price you could almost get a mongoose, take the tires and toss the bike. Weird world.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Beasho on January 09, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
Wow, I really like those tires on that Mongoose Dolomite. . . .
If anyone knows what they are, let me know here, thanks.

I have been having a hard time finding tires that will NOT wear out in << 500 miles.  I tried some of the cheaper ones figuring why buy a $70 tire that wears just as fast.

See these as an option $34 at Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Mongoose-MG78251-2-Fat-Tire-26/dp/B01CGDW1S2/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1547081389&sr=1-3&keywords=26x4+tires
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on January 10, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
Thanks Beasho, you're not the first one to recco those on a different web site that I frequent.  Those knobs are wider which should help get better mileage.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 10, 2019, 09:32:00 PM
I passed the link on to Sue for my birthday.

I'm thinking I don't actually need the power. It's only 1 to 1.5 miles to a beach.  I'm in the middle on top of a hill so downhill going there. Might suck on the way back especially if I come off the water tired or hurt. 3 more miles out to the point on the beach road at Long beach. Not long bike rides but i'm sure I'll like the added boost especially towing a board and maybe some gear.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 10, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
Since I've been spending so much time around the house lately I've been getting some carving done.
This Ray still has some work to be done , basically thinning it all out a little, mostly rasps and hand sanding at this point. Some stain and poly for a finish later. I'm doing two of these, the second with the wings inverted, and mounting them on a piece of spalted Lilac root that could pass for a coral head. Should be pretty cool.
I have a bunch of hollow arborvitae logs, half the shape was there already. I'm also doing a wave...and finally got the CCBC tiki done....I call it "I Shitzu Knot". I auctioned a custom Tiki and she wanted her dog immortalized.... ;D. This wood is so easy to work with the new power carver I got for Christmas. I'm getting a new pen for my woodburner and this wood burns nicely too.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on January 10, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
I passed the link on to Sue for my birthday.

I'm thinking I don't actually need the power. It's only 1 to 1.5 miles to a beach.  I'm in the middle on top of a hill so downhill going there. Might suck on the way back especially if I come off the water tired or hurt. 3 more miles out to the point on the beach road at Long beach. Not long bike rides but i'm sure I'll like the added boost especially towing a board and maybe some gear.

Go small on the battery. If you only need a few miles on the flats then a 48V 10A battery and charger from eBay will be fine. About 200 bucks. You'll use the bike a lot more if it's eBike.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: supthecreek on January 11, 2019, 01:29:18 AM
This trike has "Stoney" written all over it!

Put down the chisel for a bit, and pick up the welder.... nice winter project!

I like the idea of a pre breakfast walk to the beach every day....
great for the head in many ways and who knows, it may help as much as standup did when you first conquered that.

First thing I do everyday is ride my mountain bike to check the surf, then ride down to a southside for a beach walk.
The ride back up from the beach is my aerobic workout and leg burner.

Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: WhatsSUP on January 11, 2019, 04:34:52 AM
Stoney:  Awesome job on the Ray......looks VERY cool!  Nicely done!

I'm only 4 miles from my surf breaks and wish I could ride a bike to them but I'd be flirting with disaster the second I got out of my quiet neighbor.....no shoulder and fast moving traffic on Rt 138 (East Main Rd) for about 3/4's of a mile with no real work around/alternate route.  :(
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 11, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
That sounds perfect Bill. Sue gacked at the $665 for the Luna 52.

That trike is friggin awesome Creek. I may eventually go that route. Reminds me of when I was a kid we used to mod our bikes into choppers using staging cross braces...stolen from the nearest construction site usually.....:). They would slide over existing forks if you hammered them into an oval. Had a friend do a 30' superman when his came off going down a hill.

My ride is OK for the most part. Long beach is 1 mile and has one sketchy section of road about 1/2 mile long. not terribly busy this time of year but not much shoulder and a bit narrow. Whitehorse beach is 1.5 miles. Same road, same conditions, just longer and in the other direction

I couldn't sleep last night...spinning head....so I did some more work on the rays. Just need to figure out the final finish. I'm thinking of using a cobalt blue stain for the top of the rays and leave the underside natural. Not sure, need to test it on another piece.
I've had that lilac root for almost 15 years. My now son-in-law gave it to me a couple years after he started dating my daughter. Could never figure out what to do with it. It's got rocks and grit in it. Perfect for a base after sanding and shaping a little though.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 11, 2019, 01:26:14 PM
This work?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Landcrossers-48V-10A-HaiLong-Lithium-Battery-Electric-Bicycle-Scooter-2A-Charger/162518933046?epid=2151191594&hash=item25d6e21e36:g:gssAAOSwhEhcCQbA:rk:7:pf:0
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on January 11, 2019, 01:47:32 PM
Bob, your woodwork is always outstanding, but the I Shizu Not is just pure genius.  With those teeth, it captures our bulldog's expression pretty much to a tee. 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on January 11, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Beautiful work. The idea of the vivid blue and natural wood sounds Very cool.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on January 11, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
Check this thing out, it popped up on my FB feed today.  If I lived where it snows, I'd get one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKq1fGtXFM
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on January 11, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
This work?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Landcrossers-48V-10A-HaiLong-Lithium-Battery-Electric-Bicycle-Scooter-2A-Charger/162518933046?epid=2151191594&hash=item25d6e21e36:g:gssAAOSwhEhcCQbA:rk:7:pf:0

Yup. Perfect. Should last about ten years. Get the polarity right when you connect it and you'll be gold.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: RideTheGlide on January 11, 2019, 03:29:22 PM
Check this thing out, it popped up on my FB feed today.  If I lived where it snows, I'd get one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKq1fGtXFM

A lot like the Pebl and the ELF.

https://electrek.co/2018/06/04/solar-powered-electric-bike-cars-elf-and-pebl-might-just-be-weird-enough-to-work/
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on January 11, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
LOL...I wasn't too sure about I Shitzu knot...:). Her Shitzu had an underbite. I still need to do a little burning to better match it's colors. I use a small torch that gives me good control.


I'm real happy with the Rays. Doing a shark or whale next I think. Wife wants a whales tail....need to find the right piece of wood for that.




Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Wetstuff on January 12, 2019, 09:08:03 AM
 Bob,  That is some creative work!.  If I can get a straight edge on a table saw, I'm smiling.

Jim
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 04, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
Still working on the wave. I've decided it's going to be a carving of a picture of a good friend on a wave during one of the CCBC contests. My friend Tim caught a great ride...now I just need to find the pic. Weed took it...I have a message in to him. Thought I had it but can't find the damn thing. Still work to do on the whitewater, rim of the curl and a little on the face....still need to carve Tim...going to be a skinny stick figure...just like him.....:) I say that with the greatest respect...if you saw him you would not think he is an athlete but he is about as hard core as it gets.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on February 05, 2019, 07:43:08 AM
That's simply outstanding Stoney.   
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: kayadogg on February 05, 2019, 08:07:05 AM
Incredible. Let me know when the bidding opens  ;D
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 05, 2019, 08:58:50 PM
This ones going to be a gift for Tim. I'm going to do some more waves though. This was fun and I have a lot of pieces of wood that are prefect for this.

I think I'm bringing the Manta's to auction at the CCBC. I was going to put it on a coffee table I'm building from driftwood and glass, but Sue had the idea to build the table as a case for yet another set of Manta's. Oval glass table with twists of driftwood attached to an oval slab base with the manta's above it under the glass. I don't think it's going to be that hard to build. Should look nice and keep the table clear for use.

I'm also carving a bigger Manta for Brownie's charity...Human's for Oceans. That will be done soon. Table after that. I've got all the wood collected for it.

I also did this bird house....a bit bizarre....I was just practicing the vines....then decided to paint. sue said "if Peter Max carved bird houses...I think it was a compliment... ???
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on February 05, 2019, 09:57:10 PM
Very cool Bro, I think that will look great in your backyard, but the birds might see it differently. If you plant a serious weed crop back there you might get more takers though.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 06, 2019, 04:59:54 AM
If?

This one might make them go elsewhere but they do see things differently ...more colors for one so this may not throw them off unless it says snake. Birds are weird. I built a birdhouse years ago and painted the face and mouth of a cat on the front with a sign saying Cat Fud Inn (Far Side reference..:) ). I built it as a joke but birds lived in it every year...still do.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: WhatsSUP on February 06, 2019, 07:24:29 AM
Stoney:  LOVE the woodworking projects!!!!!  VERY VERY nice!  Can't wait to see the finished barrel rider piece!

Speaking of birdhouses, when I retired from service at the very end of 2014 I took several months off before starting the recent gig.  So what better to do than try my hand at making a birdhouse!  Here's what I came up with......I decided it was too pretty to put out in the yard for the birds so have it downstairs in my man-cave in the corner.  I really need to accept the fact that it needs to go outside on a pole and see if any feathered friends can put it to use for a year or so before it disintegrates!

 
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 06, 2019, 03:45:35 PM
Very cool...I built a SUP shack one similar to that.....:)

Sounds like you already realize that pressboard won't last outside.....;)

The cool thing about these are that they are all cedar. I just poly the exterior and they'll last 10 years. I have a big log of juniper i'll be working with soon which is even better. There are birdhouses still up at our old house that I built 25 years ago from some juniper logs I got on the Cape.

I think I've mentioned this here before. There are big differences in the rot resistance between the two.  Arborvitae...(eastern white cedar) the stuff you see in landscaping so commonly is (thuja) cedar, that's what these trees are..old landscape plantings. Not all that rot resistant unless you treat the exterior some. The trees that you see in swamps a lot around here common name is eastern red cedar but actually name is juniperus virginiana. Tougher to work than the cedar but very rot resistant. In addition to the birdhouse there are poles and fence posts in the ground (untreated) that have been there 15-20 years and are still solid. Found a picture...taken a year or two after we finished build our Asian garden. 2001 I think, the posts for that gate are still rock solid today except for the very tops getting a little dry rot.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 11, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
I keep adding to the list of things to do then jumping in with something else. I was looking over my wood pile for the pieces for the table when I saw an eye in a log. I thought dragon's eye at 1st but then this jumped out at me. Just had to do it so I grabbed it and started cutting...:)

Humpback eye in progress. I'm done with the exterior, the last picture was taken last night. i've burnt it darker in some spots and sanded lighter in others to be mottled like the real thing. Two coats of satin poly so far, probably two more then buffed/softened with steel wool. The eye itself is carved and has one coat of poly on it. It will probably take 10-15 coats of gloss to get the depth I want. I think it will look pretty cool once done.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 17, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
Kinda creepy but I like it....
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: TallDude on February 17, 2019, 09:01:06 PM
You got a great eye Bob. Or should I say..."You've got one whale of an eye there." ;D
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on February 18, 2019, 10:34:33 AM
Oh no, you didn't... ;D
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 18, 2019, 07:15:39 PM
;D

I'm having fun doing all the carving obviously. I've got a couple other projects going and adding some more. I like having a few underway, mix it up some, wait for some inspiration, different stages of work. The big manta is looking good. I gave away the bird house. Getting started on the driftwood coffee table. I hope this comes out the way I envision it....it looks beautiful in my mind....:)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: mrbig on February 19, 2019, 06:48:01 AM
It's the All Seeing Eye of Horus!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on February 19, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
so the tim leary birdhouse is gone!!

damn--first dibs on the next one....

not kidding--it can join the buddha that sits above my deck.......
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Post by: WhatsSUP on February 19, 2019, 02:37:05 PM
Stoney:  The whale eye is incredible.......WOW!  I wondered what the image would look like if I flipped the image and its very human like....very cool. 

Can't wait to see updates on the barreled surfer!

Your woodworking is VERY impressive...what an awesome hobby!  Love it!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on February 20, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
so the tim leary birdhouse is gone!!

damn--first dibs on the next one....

not kidding--it can join the buddha that sits above my deck.......
Wish I had known...I'd have given you this one. I actually gave it away to someone I'd never met. I'm in a FB group for the local beach...nice folks...only positive interactions....a breath of fresh air compared to most of FB. Great pictures...lots of photographers in the area...the admin is one and she walks the beach every day with her dog and posts videos of the water......between her and the others there are usually between 5 and 10 pics and vids of the waves every day....like having a beach cam almost. It's helping me learn what that beach does for waves and when. I had posted a pic of the birdhouse there and had a bunch of folks say they really liked it. My wife thought it was a bit too colorful... :P.....so I put everyones name in a hat and pulled one.

Next one is yours but it may take awhile...honey do list is getting long....have to get the table done before I do anything else.

It's the All Seeing Eye of Horus!

LOL....Sue and I went to the RISD museum a few weeks back. Took some pictures....

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Post by: eastbound on February 21, 2019, 03:05:01 PM
RISD museum!!  there you go again making me jealous--seems you are handling retirement just fine, stones

my wife went to Brown, and is an oft-published art historian, and curator at a major museum--love to tour with her--too long since ive done so

if my new business blows up ill be freeeeee!
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Post by: eastbound on February 21, 2019, 03:07:04 PM
btw where did supcheat go? i know he's not missing my libtardation, but he'd likely miss some other stuff--hope the guy's ok
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Post by: stoneaxe on February 21, 2019, 08:33:48 PM
Shit...made me realize we hadn't heard from him in awhile. Hope so too.

Great museum....not huge but a nice collection and I really enjoyed all the furniture and carvings.

You're wife may have known my wife's Uncle, Bertram Brown. He was a History prof at Brown but may have been before her time...he died in 1978 I think.
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Post by: stoneaxe on March 14, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
I gave Mike the whale's eye. It's in the office at H4O, another charity org that he's starting.

I was going to use this for the auction at the CCBC this year but I put it up on the wall here and decided it's a keeper. I'll do another for the CCBC. I was real happy with everything on this but the cephalic fins...too small and not swept down enough. But it will look really nice with the coffee table I'm building. I ended up burning all the Manta's. I was regretting it at 1st but kept going and I'm happy with the results. Nice color and the grain still comes through.

I'm just getting started on the build of the table itself. I think it should go together pretty quickly. Just a web of criss crossing driftwood glued and screwed onto a heavy base. I'm starting cutting tonight.
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Post by: spirit4earth on March 14, 2019, 03:43:31 PM
Beautiful work, indeed!  And a nice Baby Taylor, too.
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Post by: Bean on March 14, 2019, 06:05:50 PM
Right on! My daughter has a Baby Taylor...a very unique sounding guitar.

Your art is inspiring Stoney!
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Post by: stoneaxe on March 14, 2019, 06:51:55 PM
Thanks.
That's actually a Uke....that I have not yet learned how to play. No excuses now that I have time. I actually just pulled it out and tuned it. I have a good friend that is an amazing musician that has offered to teach...that and youtube hopefully will get me on the way. Not sure...my hands don't work like they used to. Arthritis taking hold. Hurts like hell after awhile carving but if I couldn't ignore pain I wouldn't be doing much of anything....;)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on March 14, 2019, 08:24:41 PM
Have you seen a doc for your symptoms? Some forms of arthritis can be put into remission. It's something you can talk to your doctor about during a physical. MSM decreases symptoms in some people but be sure you let your doc know you're taking it--it interacts badly with a lot of other medecines.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: WhatsSUP on March 15, 2019, 04:56:04 AM
Beautiful work Stoney!!!  Do you have a finished pic of the whale's eye?  Look forward to seeing the finished barreled surfer artwork too!!!!

Hope to catch up soon!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: RideTheGlide on March 15, 2019, 06:16:07 AM
Have you seen a doc for your symptoms? Some forms of arthritis can be put into remission. It's something you can talk to your doctor about during a physical. MSM decreases symptoms in some people but be sure you let your doc know you're taking it--it interacts badly with a lot of other medecines.
WebMD says no known interactions; it's relatively inert. It also says evidence is lacking for most uses but it has shown promise with osteo.

My docs (spoken to general, rheumatologist and orthopedic surgeon) all tell me that it is okay to push through pain that isn't severe. The reason I see a rheumatoligist is that sometimes I get systemic bilateral spikes - multiple joints on both sides becoming inflamed out of the blue. That's a sign of a rheumatic condition that may be treated differently. Mine is likely reactive arthritis but that's difficult to diagnose definitively as it is a reaction to an infection that has come and gone weeks earlier. I don't get it all that often but I do get plain old osteo fairly often. The surgeon that did my shoulders and one knee takes a picture of that while he is in there. It looks like chalk marks on bones. It's his disclaimer picture - there is nothing he can do to get the joints completely pain free.

Losing a lot of weight helped a lot with knee osteo and hip bursitis. Keeping my hands below my ears as much as possible, especially when loaded with weight, helps limit shoulder bursitis. Hands are more of a pain. Movement helps, but you probably know that. By that I mean not keeping the same position too long, like gripping a screw driver. I push through pain more with them than any other area.

I try to limit NSAIDs as much as possible, but sometimes I break down and take ibuprofen or naproxen. Worst case with systemic is a pred-pak but that's a last resort. It's like magic as far as effectiveness but the list of warnings is a mile long.

Cold and damp is my worst enemy. In the "where to reitre" thread, I am all about FL...
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Bean on March 15, 2019, 06:46:28 AM
Thanks.
That's actually a Uke....that I have not yet learned how to play.

Wow, never actually seen a Taylor Uke. 

Jumping Jim (Beloff), is a little corny but has put out some great learn to play books and videos.  I picked up the uke in the mid 90's with Jumpin' Jim's Ukulele Tips 'N' Tunes.  But, I'm sure you already know, there is tons of great, free content on youtube including some good stuff from Jake Shimabakoroo. 

Channel your inner IZ!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: spirit4earth on March 15, 2019, 07:33:18 AM
Thanks.
That's actually a Uke....that I have not yet learned how to play. No excuses now that I have time. I actually just pulled it out and tuned it. I have a good friend that is an amazing musician that has offered to teach...that and youtube hopefully will get me on the way. Not sure...my hands don't work like they used to. Arthritis taking hold. Hurts like hell after awhile carving but if I couldn't ignore pain I wouldn't be doing much of anything....;)
. Is it a Taylor uke?  I know how irritating and scary it is to live with pain every day.  Me, too.  I really admire your life-force, and your artistic skills.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on March 15, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
I have not done anything about it yet. Stupid I know just didn't need yet another thing to be seeing a doc about. Far too much time in waiting rooms as it is. But I know I need to do something. I have an appt coming up with my GP.

It's a Gretsch
https://www.gretschguitars.com/gear/build/folk-and-bluegrass/g9121-ace-tenor-ukulele-with-gig-bag-acoustic-cutaway-electric/2732042321

Yeah I have a bunch of Uke lessons that I've subscribed to but just haven't done it yet. In addition to clumsy fingers I have fat finger tips.....then again I imagine Iz did too.....:)

My wife and I are finally in sync on diet...and I'm doing all the cooking these days. We've been slowly losing weight since. I need to get moving more again though....it's been a sedate winter. I've added a lot more anti-inflammatory ingredients into our meals. I really need to up my cardio. I think it needs to be my primary focus. I was also diagnosed with COPD....fucking rains it pours...  :o

I did get the genes for some artistic talent...I've always been able to draw. As for life force...not much choice but to punch back. And if anything I need to start punching harder......:)

Oh...the finished whale's eye.


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Post by: RideTheGlide on March 15, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
Very nice!

I lack talent with woodworking and carving, though I tried for a while. I am okay at reasonably intricate scroll saw patterns and have done some nice pieces where you cut patterns, sand a little profile, die the pieces different shades and put them back together on a backing board. But it's not really art, it's just learning to follow a line well on a scroll saw. I bored, turned and carved flutes and whistles for a while. I have one  whistle that I hung onto because it turned out perfect. I had countless others that ended up as kindling or I gave to kids to torment their parents. I have some nice carvings that were done with instruction. I even took one of the classes from Roy Underhill (Woodwright's Shop on PBS). But on my own without careful guidance my carving is pretty bad.

I also tried to play a few instruments - guitar, uke, mandolin, flute/whistle, bass and keyboards. I still have a couple of keyboards; I enjoy playing just for myself sometimes or provide a little rhythm with others on some songs or just pull out my little keyboard and just play a bass line. Not much talent.

I admire your work.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on March 15, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
Stoney, get an e-bike, it doesn't have to be anything expensive or fancy.  $1600 can get you what you'd love, the best $1600 I've ever spent, most brands are good (*cough-cough* Rad Rover *cough-cough*), great cardio exercise if you show discipline with the power output.  You'll become addicted, healthier, and stronger.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on March 15, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
The carving is a somewhat new found talent. I've dabbled before but the power carver I got for Christmas is awesome...makes carving feel like drawing.

I'm building an e-fatbike now. I've had the pieces for a bit but just starting to put it together. Same build with a Mongoose that Pono did...he sent me a spare motor kit about a year ago, just some slight procrastination......:). Fingers crossed I don't kill myself.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on March 15, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Could you expand on your new power carver?  I have a big set of hand tools but my hand grip and elbow seem to be sending signals they have about had it.

About to tumble into a bunch of free time and Iíve got a few pieces of Koa Needing attention.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on March 15, 2019, 06:54:28 PM
This is it. I also got some Flex Steel power carver blades and a strop for them. Really enjoying how nice it works. Makes carving a less quiet activity but doesn't remove the enjoyment of the work and definitely far faster.
https://www.amazon.com/Dc-501F-Ryobi-Electric-Replacement-4989692/dp/B06XXDP22V/ref=sr_1_2?hvadid=241640161359&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9002048&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4532485569207306948&hvtargid=kwd-325333070075&keywords=ryobi+power+carver&qid=1552701052&s=gateway&sr=8-2&tag=googhydr-20 (https://www.amazon.com/Dc-501F-Ryobi-Electric-Replacement-4989692/dp/B06XXDP22V/ref=sr_1_2?hvadid=241640161359&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9002048&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4532485569207306948&hvtargid=kwd-325333070075&keywords=ryobi+power+carver&qid=1552701052&s=gateway&sr=8-2&tag=googhydr-20)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Rider on March 15, 2019, 07:20:56 PM
Stoney, Really, if you have any interest in riding an e bike, just listen to Gregg. No mus no fuss. Of course if you just want to bull shit around, listen to youíre brother.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on March 15, 2019, 09:56:33 PM
I don't enjoy messing with the bits and pieces as much as my brother does but this looks pretty easy and he sent me a motor...all in for the rest is under $500. I'm not going to be trail riding or anything...strictly the road to and from the beach and then on the beach itself. I won't be going far unfortunately. I used to love to ride but I need to be very careful these days. I may try some slow rides on some wider trails locally. It kind of sucks because we have some great challenging riding trails nearby but I just can't risk those.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: RideTheGlide on March 16, 2019, 04:52:30 AM
Could you expand on your new power carver?  I have a big set of hand tools but my hand grip and elbow seem to be sending signals they have about had it.

About to tumble into a bunch of free time and Iíve got a few pieces of Koa Needing attention.

Not who you were responding to, but...

I have tried a couple of types. I have the hanging motor with a flex shaft to the hand piece so that the hand piece is lighter, less bulky and easier to control than a Dremel. I think a speed control is a must, usually a foot control. I have a manual dial for speed and a foot control that is off/on because I don't like keeping my leg/foot still while on a pedal that moves freely.

I had a reciprocating hand piece for a while; actually maybe I still do. The reciprocating carver requires a firm grip and pretty rigid arm control. It's like a mini jack hammer and isn't as effective or accurate if you let it bounce back much, especially on hard wood. It was substantially easier than carving by hand for very hard wood. You have to be carefully about angle to remove chips and not drive the blade in too deep. If you do a carving of the type where you want to leave a faceted surface, it's a good choice; with the blade kept sharp the facets feel polished.

With the right attachments and good dust control (one big advantage of the reciprocating carver is lack of dust), rotary carving can do everything from roughing to very fine work on thin pieces. Aggressive burrs require some arm and hand strength to control as they try to "run". Stones, sand paper and very fine burrs are easier to control; just have to be careful not to over heat.

In either case, I strongly prefer the hanging motor to the hand held motor. Dremels are nice for general use for various projects where you need to take the tool to the work. If you can bring the work to the tool, a hanging motor is a better choice.

Look at Wecheer carvers.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: surfinJ on March 16, 2019, 05:55:11 AM
This is it. I also got some Flex Steel power carver blades and a strop for them. Really enjoying how nice it works. Makes carving a less quiet activity but doesn't remove the enjoyment of the work and definitely far faster.

Thanks for the link. Itís terrible how handy amazon is.
And good luck with the bike.  Youíve got a strong spirit.

I had a reciprocating hand piece for a while; actually maybe I still do. The reciprocating carver requires a firm grip and pretty rigid arm control.

What a good bit of information.  This hanging tool idea is just what I need. Thanks.

Too much grip and arm work with heavy hand and power tools at my old house over the years has messed me up. Donít want to go the route of any medical operations so I just limit it and donít do that stuff everyday. Respect to the construction workers, my body couldnít have handled it.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: RideTheGlide on March 16, 2019, 06:36:04 AM
Just to clarify, the reciprocating hand piece is a little different that the Ryobi carver that Stoneaxe linked. This is the one I had:

https://www.amazon.com/WeCheer-Wecheer-Carving-Handpiece/dp/B019R21TJ2

It works with the hanging motor and flex shaft. Advantage is light weight and I think you can be more precise by holding it differently. The disadvantage is that there is a "sweet spot" for flex shafts maybe 12" - 30" away from and below the motor where you can maneuver the hand piece around in all directions without the flex shaft limiting your motion, so you have to move your work piece around a lot if there is any size to it. You don't want to push the boundaries of that area or you will be replacing the flex shaft from trying to make it "turn a corner" at the top of the hand piece. You need to lube the flex shaft from time to time.

EDIT - One of the better hand carvers I have seen was a decoy carver down at the coast. These are high end realistic decoys that never actually get used as hunting decoys. He used nothing but a short shaft fish tail gouge, using it more like a knife with wrist flicks as his carving motion. But he used high grade tupelo pretty exclusively, which is relatively easy to carve.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on March 16, 2019, 07:26:31 AM
I use a little bit of everything. From 100 year old hand chisels and mallet to the power carver, I've got a Dremel and all the assorted bits. For big stuff and removing lots of wood I have angle grinders setup with a carving disc and a chainsaw blade...and of course a chainsaw. All depends on what I'm doing. I started the big manta using the chainsaw disc on the inside of the log to remove excess and get the rough shape, then switched to the power carver for most of it, fine tuned with palm chisels, and sanded with the flex shaft and a 80 grit flap wheel....then hand sanded. Sometimes I even burn instead of carving. I also have a real nice pyrography setup. A mix of rasps is always good to have too. I have them from a big nasty course tooth beast that rips wood to shreads to a tiny curved luthiers file that polishes more than it cuts.

I'm building a dedicated carving/sanding/sharpening/pyrography station at one end of my bench. I bought a couple of inexpensive harbor freight 3" bench grinders with the flex shafts. I'm mounting them on a box that I can bring up onto the bench and lock down with a cleat.  The box will have the power carver and bits, and all the Dremel stuff. Reverse mounted and fitted with some plywood wheels they make an amazing sharpening system. Sharpening rouge on the wheels makes razor sharp tools easy, and sharpness is what it's all about. And the flexshafts are great for carving of course. I also a have an oscillating spindle sander there for shaping. The HF bench grinders are a steal especially on sale...$30, variable speed to 10,000 rpm.
The whole setup will be in front of a window with a hooded box fan so I don't have to worry about sawdust and burning fumes/smoke

I'm really just getting started with the carving but I'm really enjoying it a lot and want to see how far I can take it. Most pieces I'll either keep or donate to charity or give to family/friends. I may sell a few if I can to fund some more tools....:)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: lucabrasi on March 16, 2019, 09:01:00 AM
Haven't really looked at this in a while.
Your stuff is way cool. I love it.
That Manta and the eye are especially nice.
Always liked your totems too.
Quite the eye you have to visualize tha eye. I am sure some of that just kind of morphs into it but quite the inspiration you got going.
Been thinking of making a birdhouse of some sort here soon to put out this spring. This thread may help inspire me to really get it going.
Never had a clue about a power carver. Kind of a Dremel on steroids.

I jumped on an and demoed an ebike a couple of summers ago and was absolutely blown away.
I demoed some others a few weeks later and found out they are not all created equal.
I jumped on a Trek (I think) with a Bosch power pack and could not believe the hills I was riding up and the way the assist really was just assist but more so when I really needed it.
Lust at first feel. It was like $4,000.
The others I demoed, good brands with different varying power packs didn't grab me the same way.
There were subtle and signifiicant differences I noticed. Maybe it was just me and the different day and all but talking to the reps there are some differences in how they go.
I also know I jumped on a porsche the first time which probably was a mistake.
Lots of people here know lots about them and I have revisted some threads in the past.
I will do so again.
Right now my dad is thinking about getting an E trike.
He is 85 and there are not lots of them to choose from.
He has not rode a bicycle in 50 years plus so we both think the trike is the way to go.
He really has done no physical activity thing in........ever so a trike wins over a bicycle.
blah, blah, blah........
Anyways, cool stuff you got going on, I like.

What Weasel said, get your Ebike going. It going to be something you love and you will wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
(...cough..just looked up the rad rover......cough....damn...going to take a hard look. thanks. I had found some on ebay out of europe with a bosch power pack but these got my eye for sure)

Before you know it you going to have so many carvings you going to be packing up a trailer and going on some southern US craft tour selling at all the little festivals in the warm climates during the winter. Not a bad way to spend a winter or few.


Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on March 16, 2019, 05:39:00 PM
There's lots to choose from in eBikes these days, but the simple reality is that if you're just going to ride it on the street, then a cheap bike and a good motor makes the most sense. No matter what the end result will be heavy, so the the things that make an expensive bike expensive--strong but light components--don't matter. Bolt 15 pounds of motor and 20 pounds of battery on and you have a 65 pound bike--no matter what you started with.

Anyone who has built one with the simple approach of adding a BaFeng mid drive and a suitable battery has been happy with the result. It's hardly challenging--an afternoon of effort.  Luca. the 4K trek you liked probably has a 350 watt mid drive motor and certainly has no more than 750W, the motor Bob has is 1000W, and will walk away from the trek. The bosch has plastic drive gears that are a known weakness, the Bafeng has a brass pinon and aluminum spur gear. Luna Cycles has been selling the kits for years--many thousands of them. On the other hand if you wanted to spend 4K on a bike you could buy a Luna Cycles SurRon: https://lunacycle.com/sur-ron-x-bike/  They ship them set up road legal with the limiter set to 750 watts. You can take the limiter off in ten minutes with a screwdriver and ride it with 6000 watts--not legal on any road in the USA.

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-9vkjq73s/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/1724/10801/surron_red__36302.1549068233.jpg?c=2)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: stoneaxe on March 16, 2019, 06:24:06 PM
The craft scene can be surprising. I met a woman at a small craft fair a few years ago. I was buying the parts for a weathervane from a place up in Maine and the fair was across the street so we went over. She was doing pyrography on a variety of woods. Lots of driftwood and branches, some old barnwood. Lot's of beach and lake scenes, simply but nicely done. I could easily do the same. She said she and her husband traveled from show to show and she sold on Etsy and the like. She did 2,000 pieces a year (she was crazy fast, she did one in the 10 mins we were talking) and they started at $25 and went up to $100. I wouldn't want to do that much but between carvings and pyrography I could certainly sell some stuff.

If I sell stuff I'll probably put it into machines. I'd like a CNC and maybe a laser. Skies the limit on what can be done with decent equipment. I'd like to do custom 3D maps. I've always been a fan of nice maps and I enjoy making them and the 3D could be a nice mix of tech and craftsmanship. I'm going to do one for myself just using my scroll saw and pyro pen.

That's a cool looking bike.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on March 16, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
The 3D map thing is a good gig. Quite a few people doing them, but the quality varies a lot--some folks just have shitty taste. Simple to do with a lasercutter. Relatively simple custom papercut maps are 250 up. From there it's marketing. It surprises me how expensive pottery has become. I know two potters on Maui who make a good living at it. I thought it was just a way to make a lot of clumsy coffee cups. Maybe I should dust off the wheel and kiln.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on March 16, 2019, 10:38:52 PM
I'll probably get one of these to mess with, and then get something real once I am comfortable with it and confirm I'm actually using it instead of just collecting dust and taking space. It's all open source, like buying a Prusa printer. https://www.amazon.com/Upgrade-3018-Engraver-Controller-Extension/dp/B07DXMFY38  About 250 bucks.

(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/e64a7673-30e9-454b-a9d9-1333424cb61a.png)
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: RideTheGlide on March 17, 2019, 04:52:49 AM
It surprises me how expensive pottery has become. I know two potters on Maui who make a good living at it. I thought it was just a way to make a lot of clumsy coffee cups. Maybe I should dust off the wheel and kiln.

Taking pottery classes in retirement seems almost cliche, But I might try it. I have the urge to be creative even though I haven't been able to uncover much talent. I was decent at wood turning; had a couple of lathes at different times. I can probably learn to use a wheel pretty quickly. It has a lot of appeal - quiet, dust free, reasonable cost for equipment and materials and you can restart a project that isn't going well without scrapping all the materials. About an hour south of me in the Sandhills region of NC around Pinehurst, there are a large number of potters and have been for a couple of hundred years. The natural clay there is prized for pottery.  Some of the potters have massive wood fired kilns that they only use a few times a year, packing them with months of work and having big celebrations while they fire the pottery.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: Weasels wake on March 17, 2019, 04:44:17 PM
I don't enjoy messing with the bits and pieces as much as my brother does but this looks pretty easy and he sent me a motor...all in for the rest is under $500. I'm not going to be trail riding or anything...strictly the road to and from the beach and then on the beach itself. I won't be going far unfortunately. I used to love to ride but I need to be very careful these days. I may try some slow rides on some wider trails locally. It kind of sucks because we have some great challenging riding trails nearby but I just can't risk those.
I'm not really into technical trails anymore myself, but I'm loving the fatties.  After pushing almost 500 miles on my bike, I'm finding I'm spending a lot more time on the road that what I figured.  The trails around my area are very limited and short, but Hwy 1 goes on forever, so that's where I'm spending most of my time.  But, I'm wearing out the stock knobby tires that came with it, pretty quickly, so I'm probably going to be replacing them with these, which seem to be getting very good reviews.
http://fatbikereviews.com/product/origin8-supercell-wire-bead-fat-bike-tires-26-x-4-0-black-black/
Once you got your bike set up, I predict you'll be spending a lot more time on it than you figure, you don't really need to go boondocking to come home with a big smile.

Stoney, Really, if you have any interest in riding an e bike, just listen to Gregg. No mus no fuss. Of course if you just want to bull shit around, listen to youíre brother.
Ha!  Thanks Rickk, but there are only two G's in my name, one at each end.  I don't suppose I'll be seeing you at Arroyo this season, oh well.  Here's a pic I took yesterday while riding my bike, I think you'll recognize it, spring has sprung!
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: PonoBill on March 17, 2019, 05:14:22 PM
Yeah, fatties are addictive, especially with a motor. Thin, hard tires are much more efficient but after they dump you on your ass the efficiency is less attractive. You can pretty much bounce over anything with a fat tire bike, and the front end is unlikely to wash out. No suspension required, though a sprung seat is nice if you do much banging around. I tried one on another guy's bike, cushy, but not so different that it seemed to be worth the money or effort.

My eFatty here in Maui hasn't been getting much use since the battery pack I cobbled together for it out of drone batteries got wet over the summer. I don't keep potentially dangerous RC model batteries in the house, and my outside storage "safe" leaked. Nasty mess that the hazardous disposal folks at the dump didn't like the looks of but took anyway. I hate riding on the road in Maui--too many dipshits texting or siteseeing. It's spooky enough in an SUV. I had two cars head straight for me across the dividing line last week. Both women--obviously texting. When I honked they looked up and swerved away, and as they passed I saw them look down again. Phone zombies.
Title: Re: Throwing in the towel
Post by: eastbound on March 18, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
i ve been drumming for years--timbales, djembes, kit, and a slick roland electric hand drum

love it--when i finally retire ima ramp up my percussion theory, take lessons and play with all the people who've offered

pottery? why not? my wife love to go to the pottery storefront near us--relaxes her--she throws a pot or two, paints on the glaze, and picks up the product, kilned, a day later