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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Sneak Peeks, Rumors, and Wish Lists => Topic started by: JEG on August 29, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
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JP Australia just released their 2019 models.
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I predict foilboards. Foilboards for everyone!
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JP 2019=====all weights=> "tba"
i want manufacturers to come clean with weights, and stand behind them
no reason a board shd come in way heavy, and buyer have no recourse............
and btw the JP surf/pro boards look promising--good widths relative to size and volume--interesting construction
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I like the colors of JP this year and the boards are much more interesting such as the allwater, flatwater and DW boards.
there's always a weight issue with all brand as well as there suggested weight rider.
I've had full carbon board in the past and they weight more than manufacture board labeled weight :o
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I love it when 2019 comes early...
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I predict foilboards. Foilboards for everyone!
I need a foolboard rather than a foilboard. Foilboards are too hard.
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"Foilboards are too hard." ...'talk about narrowing the gene pool, eh? I like this Rabbit Hole, there's plenty more depth before I get bored.
Jim
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I predict foilboards. Foilboards for everyone!
I Chapter 11. Chapter 11 for every manufacturer, distributor or retailer who over commits to the extremely niche market of SUP Foil.
I have nothing but admiration and respect for the pioneers and all those giving foiling a go. But the copycats and johnny come latelys chasing the next big thing or worse, the next fastest growing water sport who think they can make a fast buck out of selling foils... no sympathy when they go broke.
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Did anyone see the new Naish dugouts?
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Did anyone see the new Naish dugouts?
No but would be interested to see one as a winter touring kind of board.
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I predict foilboards. Foilboards for everyone!
Nah. There might be some manufacturers who are not already committed to the foil market who enter, but it's such a niche sport with a bigger barrier to entry for customers than windsurfing.
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Of course I don't think literally every person will buy a foil board, but every manufacturer I have seen who didn't already have a foil board in 2018 has added one in 2019. Foil board probably won't be making anybody rich, but I could see the demand for an entry level foil board being bigger than the demand for some of the sub 100L pro model surf sups that are catalog staples year after year.
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Did anyone see the new Naish dugouts?
No but would be interested to see one as a winter touring kind of board.
Me too. These are the 2020 models so should probably start popping up during the winter. keep your eyes open Maui boys
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Did anyone see the new Naish dugouts?
No but would be interested to see one as a winter touring kind of board.
And if that board ever comes up in the classifieds be sure to let me know ;D
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Burchas, where did you see those Naish boards?
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2019 Infinity Catalog
https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi (https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi)
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2019 Infinity Catalog
https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi (https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi)
We'll get them in Portugal in about 3 weeks :D
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personally I'm 1000% stoked to get my hands on the new Sunova 12' Point Break, she's going to be one fine ride!
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2019 Infinity Catalog
https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi (https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi)
That new Blurr v2 looks really nice.
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2019 Infinity Catalog
https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi (https://issuu.com/infinitysurf./docs/infinity_2019_sup_catalog_layout_fi)
That new Blurr v2 looks really nice.
I have one on order and can’t wait for it to arrive.
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Monkey see monkey do! Trying to get one as well. Container lost at Sea!
Just a joke. The 8'5" at 30.5" wide will actually work for Wounded Knee!
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Post some photos when you get them. I really want to see some good shots off those step rails.
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contrarian as ever, i waved in a starby pro 8'10"--second sesh says it's awesome on the wave--very turned up blunt nose plows a bit when paddling in, but now that i know to expect it, i am good---lasted 3 hrs on the initially tippy 29" width yesterday---it turns/pumps nice-once i got it going and got back on the pad--still not remotely worth the extra million bux vs my creek! despite the liftsup--clearly the creek paddles in easier--we shall see with the rest--cant wait for a good sesh in RI with the man himself, so he can board swap them---of course he's indisposed at the moment..........hopefully producing more video!
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contrarian as ever, i waved in a starby pro 8'10"--second sesh says it's awesome on the wave--very turned up blunt nose plows a bit when paddling in, but now that i know to expect it, i am good---lasted 3 hrs on the initially tippy 29" width yesterday---it turns/pumps nice-once i got it going and got back on the pad--still not remotely worth the extra million bux vs my creek! despite the liftsup--clearly the creek paddles in easier--we shall see with the rest--cant wait for a good sesh in RI with the man himself, so he can board swap them---of course he's indisposed at the moment..........hopefully producing more video!
How do you like the creek compared to your barra? I'm debating all three of those boards.
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creek has proven a better go to for me--given conditions i surf--when i can choose between the barra and the creek, i usually choose the creek--if it's pretty perfect, i ride the barra, and it rips--but it gets way less water time than the creek--if the barra were my only board it would be a solid go to--but vs the creek, in context of my conditions, i usually choose the creek
honestly tho, if i broke the creek and the starby pro, i might find i never want to return from a forced period riding the barra, in all conditions
all great boards---and really, given my abilities, and the infrequent variable surf by me--i am not the guy to expound on the subtle difference and surf effects with these boards---if youre near me, meet me, look at and surf em---i am a one man demo shop!
actually made a frontside lipslide thurs on the starby--a signature move from my skating days (40 odd years ago!)--when the thrusters let go i thought was done--but i jammed the paddle behind me, straightened out and surfed on--unfortunately waves didnt allow a second attempt---next time
all equal id likely surf the starby the most--since it cost so much! not surfin it would be like keeping a million bux under the mattress, uninvested!
i have the dough, and i needed some serious retail/gear therapy, so i pulled the trigger, but the price of starby's new carbon flax boards is pretty laughable--rides nice so far tho
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A Barra/Phantom/Blurr V2 Comparison would be amazing.
Love to see a head on head comparison of the stepped designs out there.
Eastie- I dont get out to Long Beach much anymore but may need to make the drive to borrow that 8'4 Barra!
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i go to monmo when wind is west, too
hit me next time youve time and there's a swell either way
figures potential to swap some nice new stix would draw you out of hiding--or child-rearing, or maybe even teen-rearing mixed with some honey-doing at this point!
happens
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Interesting! Would you say the preference is mostly about stability? Is your Barra the same volume as your Creek?
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Eastie, we have had conversations about weight and how important it is.
Any chance you could post the Starby and Sunova weights?
Once I got on lighter boards, I had a huge sell off last year..
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ex: barra shorter skinnier 10 fewer liters than the creek--performance difference as would be expected
i love all three of these boards--starby's new, so im dialing it---creek's been an awesome go to---and barra rips, but will exhaust me more quickly in chop, which is a reality often by me--
biggie! cruxxy of you!
for a million dollars i lost several pounds going from the creek to the starby pro carbon hemp cbd flax greenpeace model!
the barra is lightest of all, and yeah, light is right
but my creek has been excellent go to for me, with my intermediate abilities (def bumped me up a level or two), on my local waves---and it has put up with serious abuse and remains dry and solid---where my barra and the starby have had little comparable water time--so might be the weight brings better durability?
two sessions in on the starby, i am liking it much--better like it, given stoopid cost
you mean a weight-watchers blowout!
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Thanks for the review. 10 liters less is a whole 'nother world in my experience.
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i go to monmo when wind is west, too
hit me next time youve time and there's a swell either way
figures potential to swap some nice new stix would draw you out of hiding--or child-rearing, or maybe even teen-rearing mixed with some honey-doing at this point!
happens
HAHAHA.....Wed looks killer here in MoCo and a blowout in NY....Let me know if you make it down!
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Thanks for the review. 10 liters less is a whole 'nother world in my experience.
couldnt agree more- My 'big board is 128L and small is 117l. and they are an absolute world of difference in stability and performance
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I sold my 128L board because it felt too corky, and my 117L board is so small I can barely ride it. Its frustrating because I feel like I'm in a small sweet spot for boards, and not too many companies are making surf models in that 120-125 range.
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I sold my 128L board because it felt too corky, and my 117L board is so small I can barely ride it. Its frustrating because I feel like I'm in a small sweet spot for boards, and not too many companies are making surf models in that 120-125 range.
I would guess you need to demo more boards if you can - volume is just one part of equation. My 8.8 JL supertech is quite a stable board @112L so I recently demoed infinity bline 8.2x29 @101L and to my biggest surprise It felt more stable than JL. I guess rail shape as well as tail shapes can make a drastic difference in stability.
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Here's a SoCal local SUP brand that I think originates from the guys at Paddlesurf Warehouse? I been seeing more and more around. There SUP surf line seems to be geared towards bigger guys, like me. The price point is right and they seem to be well built (but no hands on yet). This 9'4 interests me. It's right in the volume and it a shape I like. Price is right for the SoCal market. I have no affiliation with these guys or gals just like their range of boards.
https://veslpaddleboards.com/paddle-boards/sup-surf/vesl-paddle-surf-series-9-4-sup.html
https://youtu.be/uwtaQaB1fIk
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Here's a SoCal local SUP brand that I think originates from the guys at Paddlesurf Warehouse? I been seeing more and more around. There SUP surf line seems to be geared towards bigger guys, like me. The price point is right and they seem to be well built (but no hands on yet). This 9'4 interests me. It's right in the volume and it a shape I like. Price is right for the SoCal market. I have no affiliation with these guys or gals just like their range of boards.
https://veslpaddleboards.com/paddle-boards/sup-surf/vesl-paddle-surf-series-9-4-sup.html
https://youtu.be/uwtaQaB1fIk
They have an all around that has my attention. It also comes in 11' and 11'6", sort of. I say sort of because they are single fine and described as being substantially better than the 10'6 in flat water. The 10'6" is definitely surf oriented. The guy in the video mostly looks laid back like it is an easy board to surf but every now and then he makes a really advanced moved and blows his cover. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=539ilvRt95s
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I sold my 128L board because it felt too corky, and my 117L board is so small I can barely ride it. Its frustrating because I feel like I'm in a small sweet spot for boards, and not too many companies are making surf models in that 120-125 range.
Were they the same kind of board just with different liters?
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Were they the same kind of board just with different liters?
I would guess you need to demo more boards if you can - volume is just one part of equation. My 8.8 JL supertech is quite a stable board @112L so I recently demoed infinity bline 8.2x29 @101L and to my biggest surprise It felt more stable than JL. I guess rail shape as well as tail shapes can make a drastic difference in stability.
How close to neutral or negative buoyancy did that volume change get you? 128 to 117 took me from a 1.2 weight to volume ratio to 1.09. The big change there is that you have to work to keep the nose above water or else you pearl. In this case, I went from a JP Pro 8'10 to a Rawson 8'4. Similar outlines. I also had a 115L tomo-shape for a while, and while that outline is more stable, once you lose a certain amount of volume you have to worry about fore/aft stablity along with side to side, and that's when it stops being fun for me.
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How close to neutral or negative buoyancy did that volume change get you? 128 to 117 took me from a 1.2 weight to volume ratio to 1.09. The big change there is that you have to work to keep the nose above water or else you pearl. In this case, I went from a JP Pro 8'10 to a Rawson 8'4. Similar outlines. I also had a 115L tomo-shape for a while, and while that outline is more stable, once you lose a certain amount of volume you have to worry about fore/aft stablity along with side to side, and that's when it stops being fun for me.
I get it. I guess when you get down close to a 1.0, then your board, especially if it is an aggressive surf shape with a pulled in tail, really starts sinking. I am looking to go down to 1.35-1.40 from 1.70. I hope that there is a lot more give in this range, as the 1.70 ratio is really feeling very corky and sluggish. I am also thinking of going to a more tomo-like shape as well.
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The Tomo shape will have an enormous impact on stability.
My shortest board was a JP Slate 7'6" x 29" x 115 liters and it was more stable and easier to ride than an 8' x 31" 120 liter board.
The square outline made an enormous contribution to stability. Unfortunately for me, in hollow waves the sharp points in the nose led to some unrecoverable pearls. Getting smacked in the chops not fun. Newer JP slates are rounded at the corners. Maybe it wasn't just me!
I weigh 145 and am 5'8". Had a big sell off a while back as many of my boards started to have that corky feel even while wearing a suit of armor wetsuit in the winter.
Borrow, beg, steal, rent to try and find out where you are at. I can paddle low liter, narrow boards in clean conditions which we get once a month.
The literage is one very important factor, width, planshape, and length all play a role in finding a board that is right for you!
As always YMMV!
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Here's a SoCal local SUP brand that I think originates from the guys at Paddlesurf Warehouse? I been seeing more and more around. There SUP surf line seems to be geared towards bigger guys, like me. The price point is right and they seem to be well built (but no hands on yet). This 9'4 interests me. It's right in the volume and it a shape I like. Price is right for the SoCal market. I have no affiliation with these guys or gals just like their range of boards.
https://veslpaddleboards.com/paddle-boards/sup-surf/vesl-paddle-surf-series-9-4-sup.html
https://youtu.be/uwtaQaB1fIk
Yes that's Paddlesurf Warehouse. The owner is a smart guy, copied all the good stuff from other established
brands and has his own production line in China, passing the savings to the consumer. Paddles too, copied
the V-Drive and Trifecta and selling those for $240 all carbon. Being in Costa Mesa, I'm sure QB is not too
happy about it. But good deal for the consumer
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Were they the same kind of board just with different liters?
I would guess you need to demo more boards if you can - volume is just one part of equation. My 8.8 JL supertech is quite a stable board @112L so I recently demoed infinity bline 8.2x29 @101L and to my biggest surprise It felt more stable than JL. I guess rail shape as well as tail shapes can make a drastic difference in stability.
I also have the 8'4 raw...and its amazing but on the lower end of what I can handle @ 215 with full jersey winter rubber.
Conversely I could be in victry at sea conditions on my 127L JL Supertech 9'1.
The 120-125 liter sweet spot in a surf shape is real tough to find. Most jump from 110-112L right to 128-133 or so
How close to neutral or negative buoyancy did that volume change get you? 128 to 117 took me from a 1.2 weight to volume ratio to 1.09. The big change there is that you have to work to keep the nose above water or else you pearl. In this case, I went from a JP Pro 8'10 to a Rawson 8'4. Similar outlines. I also had a 115L tomo-shape for a while, and while that outline is more stable, once you lose a certain amount of volume you have to worry about fore/aft stablity along with side to side, and that's when it stops being fun for me.