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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: 10generation on August 26, 2018, 08:16:20 PM
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Just got Mana 82 with ergo T handle and 90 flex shaft. Had a werner trace 85 prior.
What a difference, not sure I can explain exactly why, but love the kenalu. Swings easy. The ergo T is a great handle, could not figure out what to do with my fingers when it arrived and as soon as I started paddling, it became obvious it kept my fingers and hand more loose. Liked it quite a bit, thinking about getting a 90 as well.
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I love the ergo T. Everything else is 2nd best for me.
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I had to see which you guyz meant... Oddly enough, it's the one I don't really like. I cannot seem figure which is front/back?! The flat side wants my wrist to roll down to keep good contact and the curved side does not seem to aid control. I had their Classic-T once, but I don't like curved tops. The Kialoa is similar but keeps a full-round shape and straight topline. I seem to get a better grip on it. (they both could be wider)
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0009/3418/2967/products/Ergo_Ts-_flat_1024x1024.jpg?v=1523098480
After breaking an oval shaft in the surf, I always take two paddles and, like having two kids, try to share the playtime with them. I am having a hard time deciding which is best the Werner Rip Stick or the Kialoa Methane. I normally like a T-grip for control but the Werner seems to insert forward better and the big shaft is comforting, but the Methane seems quicker and easier to control ...???? The Kenalu stays home - in reserve.
Jim
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I had to see which you guyz meant... Oddly enough, it's the one I don't really like. I cannot seem figure which is front/back?!
Flat side forward for me.
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mana 82, xtuf soft, ergoT
i have strayed occasionally, but always return and find home very homey
so no more straying--and it's expensive to buy a new paddle, find it inferior, and revert to what has worked well
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the mana is nice with T-handle and xtuf shaft except I bought the big blade 90 and should've chose the 82 ::)
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Paddle Ke Nalus exclusively after testing one out, and buying it from PB 6+ years ago...love the Ergo T (flat side forward ;) ) over everything else I paddled in the past.
Had been surfing the xTuf Wiki 84 for all those years, but recently went to the xTuf Maliko 95 for the foil since I use a much lower cadence to go with the pump of the board to get up on the foil, and the little bigger blade of the Maliko adds a little more horsepower, and torque that makes this technique a lot easier. But I do carry both sizes just in case, and both are cut to head high...
(https://i.imgur.com/xj0satP.jpg?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/tuU6s1Y.jpg?1)
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Same with me - curved side of the ergoT in the palm.
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Ergo T with the flat side out to be held with my fingers and the curved side in my palm. Awesomeness!
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biggie--no bats, no bugs, no nuttin! zen biggie!
possessions possess!
and boards and mana's are not possessions, they are flings
and rabid bats aint no fun either
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Just got Mana 82 with ergo T handle and 90 flex shaft. Had a werner trace 85 prior.
My favorite setup as well for race, distance & downwind. I like the Wiki 74 with the xTuf shaft for surf and Maliko for foiling.
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I use a Kenalu Maliko 95 for 6 years cut about 2 inch below my height.
My wife has a Wiki 84 , that blade is too small for me
I started foiling and have a feeling my paddle should be longer...
I could get one of these longer handles but I could also get a Mana 90, but I am worried that it will be too small....
Who knows how the Maliko 95 and Mana 90 compare?
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They have almost the same catch, but the Mana catches earlier, so you don't waste much of the meat of the stroke--the front part. The Mana also forgives and even fixes a sloppy paddle set, but neither the Mana nor the Konihi will let you do an angled pull stroke--the blades straighten themselves out. If that's an important part of the strokes you use, then you'd be better off with a Maliko, but I've been more than willing to sacrifice a stroke I rarely need for a blade that fixes my screwups.
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I guess I lucked out. My first real paddle is the Mana 82, XTUf S, and ergo T. Love it. Didn't put it together, so I don't know if it is frontwards or backwards.
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They have almost the same catch, but the Mana catches earlier, so you don't waste much of the meat of the stroke--the front part. The Mana also forgives and even fixes a sloppy paddle set, but neither the Mana nor the Konihi will let you do an angled pull stroke--the blades straighten themselves out. If that's an important part of the strokes you use, then you'd be better off with a Maliko, but I've been more than willing to sacrifice a stroke I rarely need for a blade that fixes my screwups.
What is an angled pull stroke?
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I guess I lucked out. My first real paddle is the Mana 82, XTUf S, and ergo T. Love it. Didn't put it together, so I don't know if it is frontwards or backwards.
Wow. You nailed it right down the line.
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What canoe guys call a draw stroke. You place the paddle a foot or so away from the bow and then pull towards yourself, steering the board in that direction.
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What canoe guys call a draw stroke. You place the paddle a foot or so away from the bow and then pull towards yourself, steering the board in that direction.
If i want to turn left I always paddle on the right and the other way around so I guess I won't miss this draw stroke
I got myself a Mana 90 just hope it will be ok after paddling a Maliko 95 for years.
Already tried it 3 inch longer, going from minus 2 to plus 1 but that was terrible.
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What canoe guys call a draw stroke. You place the paddle a foot or so away from the bow and then pull towards yourself, steering the board in that direction.
https://youtu.be/VWpMbf5tH7s a great video instructional from Chase Kosterlitz. Calls it the J stroke.
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I guess I lucked out. My first real paddle is the Mana 82, XTUf S, and ergo T. Love it. Didn't put it together, so I don't know if it is frontwards or backwards.
Wow. You nailed it right down the line.
zone definitely was key in my decision making.
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I didn't really believe the hype about paddles making a huge difference in surfing. But I have to say, I tried surfing with my old adjustable carbon / fiberglass combo. Not a cheap paddle retail. And I couldn't wait to get back on my Mana. Like night and day.
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A lot of people seem to think they can use anything for surf but need something special for race/downwind. I think surfing has at least as stringent requirements as racing. It needs to give you power even if you blow every aspect of the stroke. It needs to brace well, even out of position. It can't get in the way and it has to handle quickly. And if you're going after big waves, it can't fluff the catch. If you miss a big'un, the bigger brother will be along in 15 seconds to catch you in the impact zone.
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What canoe guys call a draw stroke. You place the paddle a foot or so away from the bow and then pull towards yourself, steering the board in that direction.
This is gonna sound crazy, but I kid you not...
Several months ago my Ero-T started to twist in the shaft a bit, and being the lazy ass that I am, I just dealt with it, and figured I'd get around to straightening it sooner or later.
Well as time went on, the twisted handle offset got really noticeable, but also surprising to me, was the subtle little thing it did for me while paddling....
(https://i.imgur.com/dfMVLun.jpg?1)
...it gave me a built in "J" or "C" stroke with it, so I left it, and that's now my new paddle for my "yaws used to yaw like crazy" 6' foil board! :o ;D
EDIT: I'm a goofy foot who paddles mainly on the left side of the board...but it's really an unnoticeable difference when I switch sides, and paddle off-handed/off-sided with it...still keeps me from yawing, and better still...I don't bang the rails with it as much either as it pulls away from the board as I start pulling on it from either side. 8)
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What canoe guys call a draw stroke. You place the paddle a foot or so away from the bow and then pull towards yourself, steering the board in that direction.
This is gonna sound crazy, but I kid you not...
Several months ago my Ero-T started to twist in the shaft a bit, and being the lazy ass that I am, I just dealt with it, and figured I'd get around to straightening it sooner or later.
Well as time went on, the twisted handle offset got really noticeable, but also surprising to me also was the subtle little thing it did for me while paddling....it gave me a built in "J" or "C" stroke with it....
...so I left it, and that's now my new paddle for my "yaws like crazy" 6' foil board! :o ;D
EDIT: I'm a goofy foot who paddles mainly on the left side of the board...but it's really an unnoticeable difference when I switch sides, and paddle off-handed/off-sided with it...still keeps me from yawing, and better still...I don't bang the rails with it as much either as it pulls away from the board as I'm as I start pulling on it from either side. 8)
This is some next level Sheisa!
Reminds me of design class in Engineering school. Sometimes you would whip something together that looked like crap and it would work better than the CAD (Computer Aided Design) beautiful solution.
Empirical vs. Theoretical.
Given our bias for Regular and Goofy there should be more of these asymmetric applications.