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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Windwarrior on July 22, 2018, 06:13:16 PM
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So now I'm eyeballing another board for cruising/expedition.
I'm pretty happy with my Hala Carbon Hoss and it might actually suffice for my plans so I'm not sure if I'll even buy a second board but I'm curious about a couple of things.
So, the main use for the board or any other board is to go on lakes. I may try a lazy river if the feeling is right. I am considering doing some camping style paddling now with the group I'm a part of and lead outings in.
I recently bought a cooler(Ozark Trail) that I've taken out and it's a great addition for keeping things nice and cold. It's completely waterproof too. Only thing I don't like about it is how tall it sits. Anyhow, it takes up some room at the front and not sure about loading camping gear to the mix. Which is why I'm debating buying a longer board now to hold a tent,sleeping bag, chair,stove etc.
Maybe somebody out there has used any of the three boards mentioned and can give some feedback.
Who knows, maybe I'm over thinking this. LOL!
I've seen some reviews regarding the tracking differences between the red paddle boards and that the 12'6" tracks better in rougher waters but that's about it.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
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See my reply on your other thread: https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,32308.msg382359/topicseen.html#new
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I paddled a HOSS, like pushing a barge. fine for rivers and social outings and camping short distances flat water. My idea of a short paddle with all my gear is less than three miles. I have camped on an 11' Isle explorer the last three years, which is a little narrower and a smaller barge. Have also paddled several hours one weekend but not camped on the Red paddle voyager. My latest camping board is an inflatable GUSU 12' 6'.
My camping rig is usually a huge drybag (boundary waters II from cabelas) on the front and a 35l dry bag behind me. The girlfiend who has had her own GUSU touring board for three years carries a cooler up front and the tent in back.
She likes to camp but she also likes comfort so we have a roomy two person tent and an inflatable 4-inch queen mattress, full size pillows, al the glamping things. 60 pounds of gear on mine and about 40 on hers.
Any inflatable will start to twist if you have too much wight out at the ends, especially noticeable on the front in wake or chop. Which is why I got a new board for camping. you can put a lot of weight on a board if it is kept low. You may want to experiment with weight distribution, alot. Moving a 40 pounds up front 6-inches closer to your feet makes a noticeable difference on an inflatable.
If you want a new and faster board you cant go wrong with the red paddle. But you can camp the hoss just fine.
the "nest" as I call it on the 11' Isle last year.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/switters_bucket/IMG_20160817_195510133_zpsar2s4muk.jpg
I forgot to mention I have a first generation HalaNass that has been camping, glide matters. While I am sure the newer Hala's are stiffer the old nass is not as as stiff as the GUSU touring board.
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I realize you already have the Hoss, and remember why you ended up getting one, but the comparison should be the Hala Nass 12'6" to the Red offerings, rather than the Hoss. Totally different boards.
I have the carbon Hoss (love it) and with the dimensions, it's much more of a pure river board than a lake board. It does ok on the flat sections of rivers and works for lakes, but at only 11 feet long and 34 inches wide, it's just not in the category of the 12'6" and 13'+ foot cruisers from Red or Hala. Hala has a 14' foot board, but it's only 26" wide compared to the 12'6" Nass at 30" wide. Haven't tried either yet, but the carbon Nass is well reviewed.
I see the Red 12'6" and 13'2 Voyager around here quite often now and they are both good boards. I'm not sure what happened with the Voyager when you tried it, but it should be faster and track better than the 12'6" Red and the Hoss. If you are more comfortable balance wise on the 12'6", it may have seemed like it was tracking better, and if you were doing a lot of balance checks it could have actually been faster than the 13.2, or the inflation might have been off as well. Otherwise, the 13.2 should be the faster board of the three for sure. Certainly much faster and straighter tracking than the Hoss, which is the short porker of the three boards with a bias for river use.
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I realize you already have the Hoss, and remember why you ended up getting one, but the comparison should be the Hala Nass 12'6" to the Red offerings, rather than the Hoss. Totally different boards.
I have the carbon Hoss (love it) and with the dimensions, it's much more of a pure river board than a lake board. It does ok on the flat sections of rivers and works for lakes, but at only 11 feet long and 34 inches wide, it's just not in the category of the 12'6" and 13'+ foot cruisers from Red or Hala. Hala has a 14' foot board, but it's only 26" wide compared to the 12'6" Nass at 30" wide. Haven't tried either yet, but the carbon Nass is well reviewed.
I see the Red 12'6" and 13'2 Voyager around here quite often now and they are both good boards. I'm not sure what happened with the Voyager when you tried it, but it should be faster and track better than the 12'6" Red and the Hoss. If you are more comfortable balance wise on the 12'6", it may have seemed like it was tracking better, and if you were doing a lot of balance checks it could have actually been faster than the 13.2, or the inflation might have been off as well. Otherwise, the 13.2 should be the faster board of the three for sure. Certainly much faster and straighter tracking than the Hoss, which is the short porker of the three boards with a bias for river use.
Chuckle, I realized after I posted it all that the boards were different. I really never even thought about checking out the other Hala line up. The T14 looks like a great alternative but holy smokes is that thing narrow!! LOL! A whopping 8 inches narrower than the Hoss!! I'm sure that it's a bullet in the water but I'm wondering how well it would do with gear I mentioned and keeping ME on the board!! LOL! I missed the demo tour last month out here so I didn't get a chance to do a comparison ride.
It seems that the T14 would be more of a comparison to the Elite Reds??
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Dimension wise the T14 is closer to the 2017 14'x26" Race or 2018 14'x27" Elite. Or a Starboard All Star Airline 14' x 26" or x28". But they are all designed as racing boards or boards you just want to paddle fast. Not so much expedition style boards.
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Dimension wise the T14 is closer to the 2017 14'x26" Race or 2018 14'x27" Elite. Or a Starboard All Star Airline 14' x 26" or x28". But they are all designed as racing boards or boards you just want to paddle fast. Not so much expedition style boards.
Yep, I figured as much. So it seems the Nass really isn't in the same class as far as lengths go. Looks more like the Voyager 13'2" is in a class of its own as far as inflatables go. Since the closest comparison as far as expedition boards go is the Hala Nass but it only sits at 12'6". Both sitting at 30" wide.
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Looks like 4 options are where I'm at....
1) Red- 12'6" Sport
2) Red- 12'6" Voyager
3) Hala- 12'6" Nass Carbon
4) Red- 13'2" Voyager
I'll need to test drive these and make a comparison now.
Any other feedback from anyone or even current owners would be great!
Thanks!!
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I took a Red 13'2" for a spin last year and was really pleased with it. It almost felt like a hardboard, and the speed was nice. However, if I ever get to a place where I can afford a new board again, I'm going to go for the Red 12'6" Voyager. The big difference for me is stability. 30" wide is fine for day cruising with a bag on the deck, but wider is important if you want to shlep a lot of stuff. Yes, you sacrifice speed for stability, but that's not a terrible choice. If you hit any real chop you'll be glad for the extra width. I think the 13'2" is a little narrow for a cooler. Not saying it can't be done, but you'll get top-heavy quicker.
You mentioned paddling on lazy rivers. I don't know about your river, but mine (the Hudson) can get very choppy. Sometimes we get tidal chop coming out of nowhere, and I'm 40 miles from the ocean. Winds stir it up. So a lazy river isn't always as placid as it looks. I think the Voyager is the best choice for what you're looking for.
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My thoughts:
1) https://greenwatersports.com/6878/review-of-the-2016-red-paddle-co-12-6-sport-inflatable-paddle-board
2) https://greenwatersports.com/11171/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-12-6-voyager-inflatable-paddle-board
4) https://greenwatersports.com/11689/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-13-2-voyager-plus-inflatable-paddle-board
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Looks like 4 options are where I'm at....
1) Red- 12'6" Sport
2) Red- 12'6" Voyager
3) Hala- 12'6" Nass Carbon
4) Red- 13'2" Voyager
I'll need to test drive these and make a comparison now.
Any other feedback from anyone or even current owners would be great!
Thanks!!
I don't know #3 but of the others the obvious answer is 4. The 13'2.
Your original Post said expedition. The 13'2 not only has a slightly better glide (slightly longer at 30" wide) but also tie down and deck grip front and back.
The Red 12'6 voyager is wider and probably unnecessary. The 12'6 sport is same width but shorter. The 13'2 has the best glide of the 3 reds and the obvious choice even if just to paddle (rather than expedition).
I see you mentioning tracking. The 13'2 has the best but honestly you would be well to learn how to track straight with better paddling technique. That really is the answer to the tracking question.
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Windwarrior,
I had posted in the other thread you started on the same subject and you asked me to post here. As mentioned I have the 2017, 13’ 2” Red Explorer. I really like the Board, but in answer to your question I haven’t used it to pack a lot of gear on. I don’t go SUP camping and just don’t have the need to load it down. I’m sure it could handle larger loads, but I haven’t tried that.
I haven’t paddled the 12’ 6” Explorer (now Voyageur) but I have paddled the 12’6” Sport. Honestly didn’t care for that board. Just felt like a dog in the water to me. It’s been a year or so since I paddled it, so can’t remember all the particulars, but I remember I went in expecting to like the Sport, and was surprised during a test paddle that I really didn’t care for it. I then jumped in the 13’ 2” Explorer and really liked it. It’s not a racing machine, but for a touring inflatable is a very nice board to paddle.
I'm sure you would be happy with it, but as always I would test paddle if you can. I should also mention that I find the 13' 2" Explorer to be extremely stable. I've also had others try it and make the same comment.
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My thoughts:
1) https://greenwatersports.com/6878/review-of-the-2016-red-paddle-co-12-6-sport-inflatable-paddle-board
2) https://greenwatersports.com/11171/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-12-6-voyager-inflatable-paddle-board
4) https://greenwatersports.com/11689/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-13-2-voyager-plus-inflatable-paddle-board
I'll read through all those. I'm looking through a boatload of YT vids too. I'm hoping to find people actually using them to get feedback or an idea of pros and cons for each of them. It all helps!
Thanks!
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I have the same experience as quickbeam.
Most people who try the 3 red boards you mention have the same conclusion as Quickbeam.
There is little reason to get a shorter iSup. Wrapped up they are pretty much the same. In the water the 13'2 is the clear winner. Plus has all the expedition tie downs you are looking for. It's a no brainer frankly.
I don't have experience w the Hala.
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Looks like 4 options are where I'm at....
1) Red- 12'6" Sport
2) Red- 12'6" Voyager
3) Hala- 12'6" Nass Carbon
4) Red- 13'2" Voyager
I'll need to test drive these and make a comparison now.
Any other feedback from anyone or even current owners would be great!
Thanks!!
I don't know #3 but of the others the obvious answer is 4. The 13'2.
Your original Post said expedition. The 13'2 not only has a slightly better glide (slightly longer at 30" wide) but also tie down and deck grip front and back.
The Red 12'6 voyager is wider and probably unnecessary. The 12'6 sport is same width but shorter. The 13'2 has the best glide of the 3 reds and the obvious choice even if just to paddle (rather than expedition).
I see you mentioning tracking. The 13'2 has the best but honestly you would be well to learn how to track straight with better paddling technique. That really is the answer to the tracking question.
I think I should've used "exploring" rather than "expedition". I mean, the distances I've encountered thus far is quite a few miles and only 4 hours + in those miles. Not sure if that's even considered a long trip. Some days I'm out all day long paddling around so my thought is to start checking out places to camp along lake shorlines etc. Camping with either a tent or hammock with cooking supplies, chair and things.
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well, it's easy
the 13'2 is the board to get for simply enjoying a paddle around
the 13'2 is the board to get for better speed and glide
the 13'2 is the board to get if one day you wish to strap something on board
a 12'6 or shorter is the board to get if maneuvers or in/out of the surf is what you're doing. Just make sure it isn't an inflatable!
Hope that clears things up.
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well, it's easy
the 13'2 is the board to get for simply enjoying a paddle around
the 13'2 is the board to get for better speed and glide
the 13'2 is the board to get if one day you wish to strap something on board
a 12'6 or shorter is the board to get if maneuvers or in/out of the surf is what you're doing. Just make sure it isn't an inflatable!
Hope that clears things up.
:o ;D :P :o ;D
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Windwarrior,
I had posted in the other thread you started on the same subject and you asked me to post here. As mentioned I have the 2017, 13’ 2” Red Explorer. I really like the Board, but in answer to your question I haven’t used it to pack a lot of gear on. I don’t go SUP camping and just don’t have the need to load it down. I’m sure it could handle larger loads, but I haven’t tried that.
I haven’t paddled the 12’ 6” Explorer (now Voyageur) but I have paddled the 12’6” Sport. Honestly didn’t care for that board. Just felt like a dog in the water to me. It’s been a year or so since I paddled it, so can’t remember all the particulars, but I remember I went in expecting to like the Sport, and was surprised during a test paddle that I really didn’t care for it. I then jumped in the 13’ 2” Explorer and really liked it. It’s not a racing machine, but for a touring inflatable is a very nice board to paddle.
I'm sure you would be happy with it, but as always I would test paddle if you can. I should also mention that I find the 13' 2" Explorer to be extremely stable. I've also had others try it and make the same comment.
I'm guessing the same thing. I'm going to contact a local rental shop to see about comparing the two. Since I already have a cruiser so to speak with the 11' Hala Hoss and a fun board at that. It's given me a chance to practice my paddle strokes, kick pad and just have a good time along with all sorts of insane water landings which I'm sure warrant at least a 7 for form and some solid 10's on laughter scales! LOL!
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My thoughts:
1) https://greenwatersports.com/6878/review-of-the-2016-red-paddle-co-12-6-sport-inflatable-paddle-board
2) https://greenwatersports.com/11171/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-12-6-voyager-inflatable-paddle-board
4) https://greenwatersports.com/11689/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-13-2-voyager-plus-inflatable-paddle-board
I'll read through all those. I'm looking through a boatload of YT vids too. I'm hoping to find people actually using them to get feedback or an idea of pros and cons for each of them. It all helps!
Thanks!
SUPboarder have a great video comparing the Voyagers here: https://greenwatersports.com/11196/detailed-video-review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-voyager-boards
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My thoughts:
1) https://greenwatersports.com/6878/review-of-the-2016-red-paddle-co-12-6-sport-inflatable-paddle-board
2) https://greenwatersports.com/11171/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-12-6-voyager-inflatable-paddle-board
4) https://greenwatersports.com/11689/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-13-2-voyager-plus-inflatable-paddle-board
I'll read through all those. I'm looking through a boatload of YT vids too. I'm hoping to find people actually using them to get feedback or an idea of pros and cons for each of them. It all helps!
Thanks!
SUPboarder have a great video comparing the Voyagers here: https://greenwatersports.com/11196/detailed-video-review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-voyager-boards
I looked at that one already and interesting enough, they're the ones that mad a mention of the stability or tracking of the 12'6" being better than the 13'2" when it came down to high wind conditions. I'm assuming due to the design difference between the two?? I'm guessing the bow of the 12'6" stands taller and out of the water better OR maybe the fins underneath?? Not sure which....
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My thoughts:
1) https://greenwatersports.com/6878/review-of-the-2016-red-paddle-co-12-6-sport-inflatable-paddle-board
2) https://greenwatersports.com/11171/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-12-6-voyager-inflatable-paddle-board
4) https://greenwatersports.com/11689/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-13-2-voyager-plus-inflatable-paddle-board
I'll read through all those. I'm looking through a boatload of YT vids too. I'm hoping to find people actually using them to get feedback or an idea of pros and cons for each of them. It all helps!
Thanks!
SUPboarder have a great video comparing the Voyagers here: https://greenwatersports.com/11196/detailed-video-review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-voyager-boards
I looked at that one already and interesting enough, they're the ones that mad a mention of the stability or tracking of the 12'6" being better than the 13'2" when it came down to high wind conditions. I'm assuming due to the design difference between the two?? I'm guessing the bow of the 12'6" stands taller and out of the water better OR maybe the fins underneath?? Not sure which....
***MADE a mention....***
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I looked at that one already and interesting enough, they're the ones that mad a mention of the stability or tracking of the 12'6" being better than the 13'2" when it came down to high wind conditions. I'm assuming due to the design difference between the two?? I'm guessing the bow of the 12'6" stands taller and out of the water better OR maybe the fins underneath?? Not sure which....
That was for sidewind.
Sidewind sucks. Also know that inflatables are particularly sucky in sidewind. With bags on top even more. Too much windage.
Yes, a longer board is more affected but we're talking 8" here.
In fact for a sidewind test; the way the bags are packed on deck will make most of the difference.
Sidewind sucks. Even after you've done tons of it. It's just one of those things you need to grind through.
If that is a criteria you consider then please think through if you expect a large amount of sidewind. If so don't take an iSUP. A classic (surfy) long SUP is probably the least worse.
edit to add:
windwarrier, strong name for SUP
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I looked at that one already and interesting enough, they're the ones that mad a mention of the stability or tracking of the 12'6" being better than the 13'2" when it came down to high wind conditions. I'm assuming due to the design difference between the two?? I'm guessing the bow of the 12'6" stands taller and out of the water better OR maybe the fins underneath?? Not sure which....
That was for sidewind.
Sidewind sucks. Also know that inflatables are particularly sucky in sidewind. With bags on top even more. Too much windage.
Yes, a longer board is more affected but we're talking 8" here.
In fact for a sidewind test; the way the bags are packed on deck will make most of the difference.
Sidewind sucks. Even after you've done tons of it. It's just one of those things you need to grind through.
If that is a criteria you consider then please think through if you expect a large amount of sidewind. If so don't take an iSUP. A classic (surfy) long SUP is probably the least worse.
edit to add:
windwarrier, strong name for SUP
Side wind any wind is wind. Chuckle....
Yes, I'm sure the more gear on the board impacts that as well. I don't mind wind(which is plentiful at times being a mile high) , it makes for a great adventure AND workout. I just thought it was interesting that the 12'6" was a better tracking board in "wind." I would think with gear on top, depending on board design it would help with plaining out. No??
Edit to add: That's WindwarriOr not WindwarriEr. LOL! :P :o ;D
It was made from Kiting and everything revolving around it. Just seemed to fit for paddle boarding too!!
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’Scuze, bitte, mein rotten englisch. How come das autocorrect has ze way of not working when you need it.
Wind is plentiful?
Hell! In that case we’re all steering you in the wrong direction. Your 11’ Hapa Boogy Horsey is fine. Put a bunch of sticky D rings on it and buy some bungee at the HW store. And get a real board for some real paddling. You’ll have far more pleasure going up and then downwind. If you got launch and arrival spots in line with wind get into downwinds.
You said a mile high? So I’m guessing cold water in spring. Same here. I kite too but in spring will not kite and rather Downwind. Whereas kiting you’d die in a 6/5 wetsuit if the wind died you’ll be fine doing a downwind in a 4/3 for days hwere air is less than 50F and a 3/2 for over 50F. If the wind dies it’s no big deal on a SUP, you can paddle anyway.
Again iSUP is doable for DW’s but frankly pretty sucky. A real board and an inflatable is a clever quiver. Two iSUPS is silly.
If you get regular windy days where you paddle please say if a real board would be out of the question?
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’Scuze, bitte, mein rotten englisch. How come das autocorrect has ze way of not working when you need it.
Wind is plentiful?
Hell! In that case we’re all steering you in the wrong direction. Your 11’ Hapa Boogy Horsey is fine. Put a bunch of sticky D rings on it and buy some bungee at the HW store. And get a real board for some real paddling. You’ll have far more pleasure going up and then downwind. If you got launch and arrival spots in line with wind get into downwinds.
You said a mile high? So I’m guessing cold water in spring. Same here. I kite too but in spring will not kite and rather Downwind. Whereas kiting you’d die in a 6/5 wetsuit if the wind died you’ll be fine doing a downwind in a 4/3 for days hwere air is less than 50F and a 3/2 for over 50F. If the wind dies it’s no big deal on a SUP, you can paddle anyway.
Again iSUP is doable for DW’s but frankly pretty sucky. A real board and an inflatable is a clever quiver. Two iSUPS is silly.
If you get regular windy days where you paddle please say if a real board would be out of the question?
YOU are hysterical!! LOL! Damn auto correct is interesting for sure.
Soooo, here's the thing, when I say winds here, I mean winds that are ridiculous to be even outside in. Yes there's the occasional days where the wind is tolerable and usually get caught up in some when far from the take off point and having to paddle back into it without choice BUT there are also winds where it's just bat sh*t crazy kinda like last night. 70mph gusts etc..... those winds are usually coming through when fronts are coming in.
As I said earlier though, I don't mind winds(within reason) and it usually is on days when I've been out for the day and far from the take off point. I'm more of a fair weathered guy. When the seasons change, I get into a different hobby such as mtn. biking,hiking and kiting. Water gets cold and I just don't go in the water anymore.
The reason for the camping interest for paddle boarding is on weekend excursions to lakes all across the state and some of them are large with large crossings to get to the camp spots so THAT"S why I'm concerned about winds because most of the times on the return, the winds are kicking up.
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Got 5 words for you: The more wind the better.
As long as that’s downwind.
Your Hala is fine for camping. It sure is wide enough to pack a huge load on it. One day if you see a Red 13’2 on sale you can swap for your hala. Until then…
Get a downwind board. Then get out there for a downwind lined up just before the front. That's what we do. It’s addictive, especially if playing with wind is a hobby. You’ll soon be mixing Mtn biking or even skiing with SUP.
Trust me.
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Got 5 words for you: The more wind the better.
As long as that’s downwind.
Your Hala is fine for camping. It sure is wide enough to pack a huge load on it. One day if you see a Red 13’2 on sale you can swap for your hala. Until then…
Get a downwind board. Then get out there for a downwind lined up just before the front. That's what we do. It’s addictive, especially if playing with wind is a hobby. You’ll soon be mixing Mtn biking or even skiing with SUP.
Trust me.
Ya must've missed the part where I mentioned "I'm a fair weather kinda guy".......
Yes, you're right! My Hala Hoss IS a great board! I appreciate the heads up on the downwind but no, just no. Not my thing.
I'm going to look into the Red's for rentals and see what happens. I'll also look into the Hala Nass. Isup's are my thing because transporting is worlds easier for me. Easier to secure too.
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Looks like I'm going to a Red Paddle Demo Day in town!!! Both Saturday AND Sunday. Will post my experience after the weekend!
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Curious, where do people stand on the 13'2" Red??
I'm assuming at the straps but curious if farther back would affect performance or not. I'm going out this weekend on one and can't wait!!
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At the handles is usually the best place to start and then move forward or rearward to trim to conditions, and/or load onboard.
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At the handles is usually the best place to start and then move forward or rearward to trim to conditions, and/or load onboard.
+1. Good advice.
And Windwarrior, let us know how you make out.
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I've got two of the Red's 13'2", love em. Super high quality, much better glide than many. I inflate mine to 25psi and they hold it.
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I've got two of the Red's 13'2", love em. Super high quality, much better glide than many. I inflate mine to 25psi and they hold it.
Do you mind me asking why you inflate to 25 psi? I know Red says you can go that high, but I’ve never heard of anyone doing it. I inflate mine to 18 psi.
I should also mention that I only weigh 150 pounds, so maybe that’s the difference???
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Soooo, took out the board for about 4hrs on Saturday and had a great time. The winds picked up to about 10-15 mph towards the end of the day so that was interesting for sure!!! LOL!! It was a bit tipsy at first so I just stayed on my knees for about 10mins to get my sea legs for this thing and then at first stand up, I was good to go.
I didn't have any gear on it other than a small bag for water and snacks for a first outing. I wasn't sure what to expect or how many times I'd end up in the drink so I kept it light. I did enjoy how fast it moved along the water. At first I was just enjoying the scenery but then I looked at the shoreline and realized I was actually moving pretty darn good and had that "whoa" moment. Wish I had more time on it and probably will in the next couple of weeks.
I was impressed by the speed and was surprised how quick I got use to the width difference between my Hala and the Red. Apparently 4" isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
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At the handles is usually the best place to start and then move forward or rearward to trim to conditions, and/or load onboard.
+1. Good advice.
And Windwarrior, let us know how you make out.
Thanks for the advice. I didn't even get the responses before I went out so I winged it! I will say this, it seemed more tipsy the closer I got to the handles or forward of them so I stayed just behind them and was fine. I didn't really play around on the positioning or where to stand much but would like to if I get on one again before I decide to buy or not just for kicks.
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I've got two of the Red's 13'2", love em. Super high quality, much better glide than many. I inflate mine to 25psi and they hold it.
They are a fun board for sure!! I will say I had some issues during inflation. I wasn't sure if it was a pump issue, valve issue or loose nut behind the wheel. :o :P ;D
It seemed like the pump wouldn't go past 12psi. and I also noticed that the valve was kinda weird. Almost like it was broken in two??? Everytime I tried to push down on it so it would pop up like it does on the Hala I have it seemed to not pop up. Kinda wierd. I finally got it to seal so I could pump it up but only after 3 attempts using the electric pump from the Hala THEN trying to pop it up. After all that, I was able to use the hand help Red pump but it wasn't going to where I wanted it. I was afraid of popping this loaner board so I just made due with the 12psi without issues. Yes, I removed the plug for the pump to get higher psi but that didn't help.
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You'll have a lot more fun if you pump it to 15 at least, better 18 ish. And you can go higher as noted above in this thread.
See with someone how to fiddle the little bits correctly. Easier done in person than by typing.
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Always, always, go to at least 18PSI, more depending on your weight (load) and the conditions. 12psi to 18 psi doesn't seem like much but it makes a huge difference, even on flat water.
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Always, always, go to at least 18PSI, more depending on your weight (load) and the conditions. 12psi to 18 psi doesn't seem like much but it makes a huge difference, even on flat water.
Believe me it wasn't my choice as I said above. Luckily there wasn't any flex with me on it. I'm baffled as to why I couldn't go higher on psi.
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Maybe it's the gauge. My Red Paddle Titan Pump won't hold pressure in the hose at all - it immediately bleeds off. I observe pressure as I put it in and observe psi as I apply steady pumping to see what it is up to - it has been that way since day one. If yours held "some" pressure it would look like that is all you got. I can put about 15 psi in with both cylinders operating, then I "shift gears" to the small one ( I wish it had a 3 speed - :D - two, big 'un THEN the little 'un) - maybe you had more than 12 in there?
if you really are stuck at 12...I dunno'. Maybe a bad Titan pump?
As for "vs" - I'd trade my 14' Red Elite for a 13-14 "touring" type board I think - I like the speed but the lack of stablity? :( And my 12'6" is just a little too slow....
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Maybe it's the gauge. My Red Paddle Titan Pump won't hold pressure in the hose at all - it immediately bleeds off. I observe pressure as I put it in and observe psi as I apply steady pumping to see what it is up to - it has been that way since day one. If yours held "some" pressure it would look like that is all you got. I can put about 15 psi in with both cylinders operating, then I "shift gears" to the small one ( I wish it had a 3 speed - :D - two, big 'un THEN the little 'un) - maybe you had more than 12 in there?
if you really are stuck at 12...I dunno'. Maybe a bad Titan pump?
As for "vs" - I'd trade my 14' Red Elite for a 13-14 "touring" type board I think - I like the speed but the lack of stablity? :( And my 12'6" is just a little too slow....
Yeah. I find the current Red range frustrating. They don’t make a decent surf shape (they all have tails that are too wide, because they’ve concentrated on going short, I think, which doesn’t help when inflatables are tricky to get into waves on, anyway), and there is too big a gap in width between their touring boards and their race boards. Where is the bread-and-butter 14’x29” (or 30) board?
I like the Red brand. And I have 3 inflatable SUPs. But none of them are Red. They just aren’t making what I want.
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It's been a long time since I inflated a SUP, but I remember my ULI would get to around 12 psi pretty easy. After that it was a lengthy and progressive grind to 19 or 20 psi. I got some serious blisters pumping for 20 minutes. It was like 3 minutes to 12 psi, then 15 minutes or more to 20 psi. Finally rigged an adapter to use my small compressor. Never used a manual pump again. 8)
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Maybe it's the gauge. My Red Paddle Titan Pump won't hold pressure in the hose at all - it immediately bleeds off. I observe pressure as I put it in and observe psi as I apply steady pumping to see what it is up to - it has been that way since day one.
When inflating Reds, you are supposed to have the board's valve closed, sprung plunger up or out position. The hoses supplied with Red pumps do not have the internal piece that depresses the plunger. The force of pumping opens the valve and pushes air in. The Titan pump is designed in such a way where it does not hold pressure in the hose. The back pressure disrupts the valve setup. So, you only get a true reading of the board's pressure when you are pushing down and forcing air into the board, which opens the valve and pressures the system, and moves the gauge. At rest the needle will move down and come to rest at a certain PSI, this is not the board's pressure.
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Maybe it's the gauge. My Red Paddle Titan Pump won't hold pressure in the hose at all - it immediately bleeds off. I observe pressure as I put it in and observe psi as I apply steady pumping to see what it is up to - it has been that way since day one. If yours held "some" pressure it would look like that is all you got. I can put about 15 psi in with both cylinders operating, then I "shift gears" to the small one ( I wish it had a 3 speed - :D - two, big 'un THEN the little 'un) - maybe you had more than 12 in there?
if you really are stuck at 12...I dunno'. Maybe a bad Titan pump?
As for "vs" - I'd trade my 14' Red Elite for a 13-14 "touring" type board I think - I like the speed but the lack of stablity? :( And my 12'6" is just a little too slow....
I experienced the exact same thing so I wasn't really sure WHAT the psi was on the thing after all that. I didn't want to risk a blow out on a new loaner board either so I just stopped.
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Maybe it's the gauge. My Red Paddle Titan Pump won't hold pressure in the hose at all - it immediately bleeds off. I observe pressure as I put it in and observe psi as I apply steady pumping to see what it is up to - it has been that way since day one.
When inflating Reds, you are supposed to have the board's valve closed, sprung plunger up or out position. The hoses supplied with Red pumps do not have the internal piece that depresses the plunger. The force of pumping opens the valve and pushes air in. The Titan pump is designed in such a way where it does not hold pressure in the hose. The back pressure disrupts the valve setup. So, you only get a true reading of the board's pressure when you are pushing down and forcing air into the board, which opens the valve and pressures the system, and moves the gauge. At rest the needle will move down and come to rest at a certain PSI, this is not the board's pressure.
GREAT! Where were you LAST weekend!! LOL!! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Maybe it's the gauge. My Red Paddle Titan Pump won't hold pressure in the hose at all - it immediately bleeds off. I observe pressure as I put it in and observe psi as I apply steady pumping to see what it is up to - it has been that way since day one.
When inflating Reds, you are supposed to have the board's valve closed, sprung plunger up or out position. The hoses supplied with Red pumps do not have the internal piece that depresses the plunger. The force of pumping opens the valve and pushes air in. The Titan pump is designed in such a way where it does not hold pressure in the hose. The back pressure disrupts the valve setup. So, you only get a true reading of the board's pressure when you are pushing down and forcing air into the board, which opens the valve and pressures the system, and moves the gauge. At rest the needle will move down and come to rest at a certain PSI, this is not the board's pressure.
Funny this isn't clearly described on a label on the pump - maybe in the manual -who reads those? :D You get an "idea" of pressure - but a slow push on the handle seems to bleed off pressure - might be a bit lower than actual in the board - and fast push builds up more than is in the board, it will run up to 30 when I am close to 25 - might be worth getting one of those adapters that have a gauge and a schrader valve fitting.
I have a pretty good 12V tire inflater, a Quick-Air II - it would probably go from 15 to 22 a lot faster than I can. Certainly easier :D - but it won't shut itself off like my little Seyvlor pump.
https://www.amazon.com/WAKOODA-Inflation-Valve-Gauge-Granted/dp/B076KSQKJB/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1534365167&sr=8-4&keywords=sup+valve+adapter
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Sorry guys, been off for a while.
I inflate to 22-25 - simple reason, more pressure, stiffer. I weigh about 220. Have had zero problems.