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Stand Up Paddle => SUP General => Topic started by: stoneaxe on March 07, 2018, 08:13:33 AM
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I made some of this comment elsewhere but thought it deserved it own thread.
Can we please leave politics out of it....how about we all simply agree to stop interjecting politics into posts about SUP. Even if you think it makes a point. It's tearing this place.....and everything else apart. .....neither side has a monopoly on stupidity. I'm not saying don't make political statements...but go to random and start a new thread about the issue....let's stop poisoning the rest of the zone with this shit. I'm not pointing any fingers...1st one I pointed would need to be at a mirror....but how about we simply agree to keep our political points of view out of SUP posts.
I've been here longer than most. This place has helped change my life and many of my best friends today have come out of it....and we don't necessarily agree politically. The zone is important to many of us. It's a place to share story, to laugh, to learn...a place of refuge of sorts. I can't begin to explain what it means to me....so it's worrying that I find myself not wanting to come here sometimes because we're starting to argue so much about politics....and in the past I've been guiltier than most.
So I'm done...I hope you can agree to join me...if I have something that is political to discuss I'll say it in a new random post and you can all ignore it in bliss.... ;) 8)
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Well said Stoney..
I could add to all of the arm-waving and finger-pointing over the political situation we’re in just now, but I don’t and choose not to do so here for the very reason I joined this forum - the love of SUP. It's so easy today to raise your blood pressure, just turn on the “news” source of your choice and get the blood boiling and take to the social media method of choice and start spewing. F-that - not me - not here! I come here for the stoke, leaning more about this amazing sport, watching vid's, reading board reviews, encouraging others, providing technique advice/instruction, etc.
Although I'd like to see political statements and the like disappear altogether I would gladly compromise to see threads and remarks go to the Random section giving readers the choice to read or not.....
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I am fine with this. Plopping political threads into random should be acceptable to most.
Not that it is any of my business, but maybe not take things personal. If there are threads that has politics and you do not want to get involved just don't respond. I like hearing opinions and discussing. I learn a lot about values and attitudes. I genuinely enjoy hearing opinions that differs from mine. Most of the people I hang out with on a daily basis are much more similar to me, and it is much harder to understand how people that have different attitudes than me think. I think it is good to avoid creating a complete echo chamber. To me, the fact that we have SUP as a common denominator makes us similar and unified in other ways.
I've made a few main rules for myself: If I get agitated I don't respond. If someone gets personal, disregard it and do not respond. When differing views appear, try to see arguments from an opposing view, and argue with some objectiveness. I will argue on inaccuracies and mis-information. I try to supply some citations if I have time.
Apart from that, I like discussing stuff, specially subjects and attitudes where I am very different. :-)
Of course any kind of sup discussion is always fun.
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i would wholeheartedly support a ban on politics in threads that arent clearly titled to be about politics
but if political BS gets injected into an SUP discussion, rely on me to not let it stand unchallenged
many profess to hate politics--but really, often, they just hate hearing of politics other than their own, hate being challenged, and then insult.....
but yeah, why dont we agree to keep politics out of threads that intend not to discuss politics? that shd fix it
in fact---consider me the first in--wont talk politics in threads where we agree no politics--wont talk polkitics even with those who choose to post anyway (a concession, for me)---will, tho, enthusiastically join a collective admonition that any offender "go post elsewhwere dbag-no politics here"
i am in! wait this thread title is about politics---i'm outta here!
but i am in--hope it owrks out--
lastly, respect for those with differing opinions needs to underly all (whether politics or sup)--to insult or name-call turns dialogue to shit, no matter what is being discussed
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so...
I guess this thread is now a lame duck? ;)
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Wasn't aimed at you or anyone EB. That thread twitch did make me think of it though.
I've been trying to refrain from any political posts but as you point out EB it's also not my nature either. I've always been a masterdebater..... ;)
I like to discuss stuff too taut but too often we're seeing snark, passive aggressive BS, or downright name calling. I'm not much for censorship...other than self...but we need to do something here or it will continue to do damage.
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I'm with you Stoney but any thread title with the word "politics" in it, is asking for a debate, as you already noticed. The random thread should be good enough. And that's all I have to say about thaaaat.
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I'm with you Stoney but any thread title with the word "politics" in it, is asking for a debate...
No it's not.
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didnt sense you'd singled me out, stones---nbd
and good you brought this up---before it inflames quality sup discussion--if a politics thread gets inflamed, no real loss--but if we lose the quality of the sup discussions and we got little left, really
on that, i miss riley already.................
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I started to participate in another forum that has a political thread. It has nothing to do with sup/sports/lifestyle or really anything fun so to say. Could not be bothered to read or post in the politics thread and it's fairly active. For reals. I checked it a few times here or there and...both sides running amok but just couldn't be bothered to really read let alone post. I don't know why (actually, maybe I do but that will take up a page and a half) but I find the discussions here entertaining and they can be enlightening/educational at times. We are so much alike and so different all at the same time. Other place does have a music thread tho and have jumped in there. Go figure.
I also think I am not the only one to be really, really, burned out on politics. It just has gotten too......much for many, many, many reasons.
I have posted random things I find funny into threads. A chuckle or smile are all I intend when doing so and always thought that was pretty obvious tho sometimes I can be oblivious.
Hmmm, random politics.
Nice ring to it.
Seems a good place for it
;)
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who made up this words = freedom of $##%
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I'm with you Stoney but any thread title with the word "politics" in it, is asking for a debate...
No it's not.
That's not a debate, that's just arguing
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Most sites like this have a dedicated forum for politics and/or religion discussions. And there that shit stays.
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I enjoy to some extent the political discussions here. Mostly they are well written and free of insults and name calling . Just because a president does it doesn't mean it's acceptable in a forum . (sorry, I just can't hrlp myself ) But seriously , I do learn a lot getting different perspectives .
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Sounds good! Please check your political BS at the door (or at least on a specific thread if you must).
For some, the Zone is a safe haven from that junk.
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What I have noticed... and experienced:
The animosity that rears its head on political threads sometimes carries over into the purely SUP threads.
Just an observation, cuz I care about the Zone.
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I'm with you Stoney but any thread title with the word "politics" in it, is asking for a debate...
No it's not.
That's not a debate, that's just arguing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
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lastly, respect for those with differing opinions
From your lips to God's ears...
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I like discussing politics on this forum. Most folks here are fairly even keeled and thus I learn from the responses. Like Taut I live a fairly insular life and my exposure to folks with different mind set and ideology is limited. This helps expand a bit.
We all have quite a bit in common in that SUP is a fairly small world. Debates and fist fights are both educational, but I would rather debate for my learning.
Plus the political threads are pretty active and keep folks engaged with the forums.
Do whatever you want, but heated discourse is only words on a screen. I would promise to buy a beer for anyone on this forum if we are in the same vicinity.
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Yeah....I understand that side. I hate even making the suggestion truthfully but it just feels like politics is invading too much of everything. No doubt it will continue but I'm hoping we can at least minimize it.
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I like discussing politics on this forum. Most folks here are fairly even keeled and thus I learn from the responses. Like Taut I live a fairly insular life and my exposure to folks with different mind set and ideology is limited. This helps expand a bit.
We all have quite a bit in common in that SUP is a fairly small world. Debates and fist fights are both educational, but I would rather debate for my learning.
Plus the political threads are pretty active and keep folks engaged with the forums.
Do whatever you want, but heated discourse is only words on a screen. I would promise to buy a beer for anyone on this forum if we are in the same vicinity.
Nice point, SUPleave. Nice to hear that.
I grew up on the border of several countries. I was born in yet another country with parents from other countries.
I grew up with “News” from all kinds of different sources. Radio shortwave, newspapers and TV reception from 4 different countries.
Learned the fun of checking things out from all different perspectives. The reality of different perspectives and, more important, the motivations behind those different “spins”.
It’s funny because the promise of the WorldWideWeb was that it could widen peoples perspectives. Yet people choose to stick to sources of info that comfort them.
Duh, kind of, if you look at it from an anthropologist’s perspective.
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one clear effect of the internet is the filtering of all our news--how many prog lib demos read breitbart, drudge, or watch fox? how many conservative right wingers read huffpost mother jones and watch msnbc.
used to be, to be well informed here in nyc, youd read the nytimes and the ws journal daily--no matter whether you were a communist or john birch himself--so you got exposure to both sides--now one can easily choose to read nothing but aligned reinforcing points of view, with no need to read the other side of the story--not good
as well the internet serves to connect extremists--pre internet a neo nazi might be pretty isolated in wichita, and have to struggle a bit to get reinforcing information and contact---now he can join with wacko neo nazis from all of the world--one click away--he can enjoy a community of neo-nazis, all of whom reinfoce one another
of course a lonely supper in wichita gets to connect with a healthy community like this here zone--so it aint all bad
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I make an effort to do exactly that...I wish more folks would. I think of myself as a libertarian more than anything, some conservative views and some progressive. I've come to dislike the far left and right. Actually it's more than dislike because I think they are primarily responsible for the shit show we all are dealing with. It's part of why I started this thread...we need some compromise.....the far anything doesn't want that. I think the far right is slightly crazier than the far left but just my a smidge.
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one clear effect of the internet is the filtering of all our news--how many prog lib demos read breitbart, drudge, or watch fox? how many conservative right wingers read huffpost mother jones and watch msnbc.
used to be, to be well informed here in nyc, youd read the nytimes and the ws journal daily--no matter whether you were a communist or john birch himself--so you got exposure to both sides--now one can easily choose to read nothing but aligned reinforcing points of view, with no need to read the other side of the story--not good
I'd say it's even worse than that, because it goes beyond "choosing" what you read online. What one person sees in the headlines, on facebook, etc. is entirely different than what another sees. Read a few articles about any particular subject and more of those will appear on your screen, selected for you.
So once you set the direction--reading about police shootings, or gun rights, or paddling--you'll see more of that. Pretty soon people with extreme views can feel like they're not extreme at all--"It's not just me, that's how everyone thinks"--and it's true as far as what they see on their own screen goes. Someone else will be equally convinced there's an entirely different reality. A lot of people are too clueless to realize it's cookies at work.
It's not new. Years ago the examples of fragmentation vs. shared experiences or shared information were cable news--vs. everyone watching Huntley/Brinkley or Walter Cronkite--or maybe going to a football game, with the past experience being that every fan had the SAME experience, just that some were closer to the field than others, versus the newer experience of some people out in the elements eating hot dogs after taking the bus to the game, while others drive up to the concierge parking and watch from an indoor skybox with a catered meal. Now the differences go all the way to what people think is happening in the news.
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It takes work and time to get a broad base of news sources. I listen to at least 2 hours of NPR a day, split lunch reading Fox and CNN and try and search out both points of view on a wide variety of sources by using Allsides.com https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
I have a good friend that is very conservative, he bizarrely married an ultra-liberal woman...talking with either of them is so frustrating. When I asked each where they get their news it's obvious why they are like they are. Neither WANTS to hear the other side....just what they agree with....they each live in their own world. They divorced about 6 months ago.... :P
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oops...double post
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I support Stoneaxe's suggestion to leave politics out of it, or keep it in the fringes like the "random" forum.
My experience in real life groups is that it's very helpful to stick to the group purpose, which unites the members, and to not reveal, or at least not emphasize, our opinions on potentially controversial topics unrelated to the group purpose. It's amazing how well that "stick to the group purpose" principle works in allowing different ages, political affiliations, education types, etc. to interact productively with minimal conflict.
As for what to do when someone does bring up politics, it helps me to remember the saying, "you don't have to go to every fight you're invited to."
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Tump can't SUP worth a bean because he's too damned conservative!
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Since I'm a Gemini, I tend to look at both sides of most any political debate with interest, as long as people aren't science deniers and drag religion into it...and, aren't planted with both feet at one polarized end of the spectrum or the other...there are usually a few good valid points that are made...
I've sold SUPs to elected folks that work in Washington, DC on both sides of the aisle...it seems that most of my clients agree that clean water, clean air, and open access to beaches are important...I wish that more politicians would get involved with an outdoor recreational activity that they are passionate about...the country would probably be a lot more purple...
One of my clients is Alex Castellanos has me on his mailing list for Op-Eds...he's a guest commentator on "Meet the Press" and a talking head for CNN...etc...he co-founded a bipartisan communications firm called Purple Strategies...he has worked on election campaigns for Republican candidates including Bob Dole, George W. Bush, Jeb Bush, and Mitt Romney...etc...even though I don't necessarily agree with him on some issues...I do find his writings interesting and well thought out...insightful...enough to have not unsubscribed since 2009...
Personally, I'd rather suffer political creep in some of these General Discussion threads than some of the misinformation and overt knee-jerk brand bias pretending to be cloaked as something else...;-)
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Wardog, I agree that I don't think clean water, clean air, great waterways and as little pollution as possible are a political issue. I can't imagine a soul who wouldn't want that. How we get that could be political, but I think it's okay to argue over that. Let differing opinions see the light of day.
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I make an effort to do exactly that...I wish more folks would. I think of myself as a libertarian more than anything, some conservative views and some progressive. I've come to dislike the far left and right. Actually it's more than dislike because I think they are primarily responsible for the shit show we all are dealing with. It's part of why I started this thread...we need some compromise.....the far anything doesn't want that. I think the far right is slightly crazier than the far left but just my a smidge.
Wait a minute...did the guy who just started a thread called "Leave politics out of it" just go political? Youse guys crack me up. ;) ;D
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icky---i believe you are just making a point: that you cant imagine anyone wouldnt consider preventing pollution and preserving our natural resources a massive political priority, if not a given.
unfortunately there are many, tho, who think people who think like you do re pollution are enviro-nuts and enviro-lib-tards---and these people are installed in our political system and businesses thoughout the us. they are pro-business, anti-regualtion, see global warming as a liberal invention, and fight any and all business-restraining environmental (and other) intitiatives that come their way--
i do my best to vote at the ballot and with my $$ to counter these forces--i believe we need to regulate effectively to reduce pollution, and incent best reasonable behvior toward the environment
laissez faire? ===> shithole a comin
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I make an effort to do exactly that...I wish more folks would. I think of myself as a libertarian more than anything, some conservative views and some progressive. I've come to dislike the far left and right. Actually it's more than dislike because I think they are primarily responsible for the shit show we all are dealing with. It's part of why I started this thread...we need some compromise.....the far anything doesn't want that. I think the far right is slightly crazier than the far left but just my a smidge.
Wait a minute...did the guy who just started a thread called "Leave politics out of it" just go political? Youse guys crack me up. ;) ;D
Not sure I get your point...this thread is a discussion of leaving politics out of other threads. My comment goes directly to why I think it's necessary.
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iunfortunately there are many, tho, who think people who think like you do re pollution are enviro-nuts and enviro-lib-tards
People like that just have to be taken with a grain of salt.
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iunfortunately there are many, tho, who think people who think like you do re pollution are enviro-nuts and enviro-lib-tards
People like that just have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Or on a spit, with a nice vinegar sauce and some fava beans.
I note that the "Leave Politics Out of It" notion seems to be working. Let's all pile on the first person to bring in politics anywhere other than in random. Someone posted a political video in facebook in a surfing group I belong to. Instant castigation by a cast of dozens--it didn't go well. I liked it though some of the castigating posts were blatantly political, which sucked. Just say no.
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I make an effort to do exactly that...I wish more folks would. I think of myself as a libertarian more than anything, some conservative views and some progressive. I've come to dislike the far left and right. Actually it's more than dislike because I think they are primarily responsible for the shit show we all are dealing with. It's part of why I started this thread...we need some compromise.....the far anything doesn't want that. I think the far right is slightly crazier than the far left but just my a smidge.
Wait a minute...did the guy who just started a thread called "Leave politics out of it" just go political? Youse guys crack me up. ;) ;D
Not sure I get your point...this thread is a discussion of leaving politics out of other threads. My comment goes directly to why I think it's necessary.
Honestly, it was more tongue in cheek than anything else (hence the wink, and smile after it), but if I must make a point for whatever reason(s), it would be that...it doesn't matter how or with whom you identify yourself with politically, or your political opinion of what others believe politically in order to ask folks to "Leave politics out of it"...and for them to understand what you're asking.
IOWs, in a thread that asks people to "Leave politics out of it", to then to see the OP explain his political position/beliefs I just thought was kind of funny is all. But I've also been known to have an odd sense of humor...so I'd pay little mind to it or to me if I were you. ::)
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I'm getting too sensitive ......thought it might be but wasn't sure....our odd senses of humor were simply out of sync...... :) Sorry...carry on!
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iunfortunately there are many, tho, who think people who think like you do re pollution are enviro-nuts and enviro-lib-tards
People like that just have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Are you crazy? You can't just spread salt around like that. Don't you realise that's polluting!!!???
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I think too that getting divided into political tribes doesn't serve he majority of people. I think with the big issues there's some broad agreement. The devil is in the details, but that doesn't mean we can't sit down and talk in good faith.
If anyone wants to call me a libtard or granola-head or enviro-nut, that's fine with me. I've been called a communist so many times, it barely registers. Just because I believe in a certain thing doesn't make me a bad person. Same goes for everyone else, mostly. I'll make exceptions for white nationalists, nazis, terrorists, and their ilk. People who want to destroy and hurt.
I think for this crazy experiment called “America” to work, we have to get over this tribalism. We need to accept one another. That doesn't mean we don't disagree, or even argue, but I'm really tired of being someone's enemy just because I disagree with them. (I wish congress would do the same.) I know my side can be kind of bad at that too. I've been guilty of demonizing those who disagree with me. Now I try to just disagree.
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dont get me going on salt--crazy the amt that gets thrown around where there's any hint of a storm
there are dust-storms of salt mix aorunf here on sunny warm days!
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I think for this crazy experiment called “America” to work, we have to get over this tribalism. We need to accept one another. That doesn't mean we don't disagree, or even argue, but I'm really tired of being someone's enemy just because I disagree with them. (I wish congress would do the same.) I know my side can be kind of bad at that too. I've been guilty of demonizing those who disagree with me. Now I try to just disagree.
Well said...and I agree.
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I think too that getting divided into political tribes doesn't serve he majority of people. I think with the big issues there's some broad agreement. The devil is in the details, but that doesn't mean we can't sit down and talk in good faith.
If anyone wants to call me a libtard or granola-head or enviro-nut, that's fine with me. I've been called a communist so many times, it barely registers. Just because I believe in a certain thing doesn't make me a bad person. Same goes for everyone else, mostly. I'll make exceptions for white nationalists, nazis, terrorists, and their ilk. People who want to destroy and hurt.
I think for this crazy experiment called “America” to work, we have to get over this tribalism. We need to accept one another. That doesn't mean we don't disagree, or even argue, but I'm really tired of being someone's enemy just because I disagree with them. (I wish congress would do the same.) I know my side can be kind of bad at that too. I've been guilty of demonizing those who disagree with me. Now I try to just disagree.
I have a problem with people that resort to name calling. I tend to not respond. I might call them out on the unnecessary name calling and to use their words to express their own stance in the matter, but usually do not respond in kind. I do think it is important to call people out on name calling simply because it really is pretty much as unproductive as it can get.
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I do it all the time in the car, with the windows shut. Cathartic. Though it's surprising how many motherfuckers are driving on Maui.
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I have a problem with people that resort to name calling.
This thread is about leaving politics out of it, and you go and start talking about Trump. ;) I think a bit of political posting here is okay, in fact I do enjoy it when people thoughtfully express their ideas. There are many people here that I respect and like to hear what they have to say politically, even though I often times feel 180 degrees in the other directions. Most forums and internet media sites that have political post just have the same posters saying the same things over and over. That type of crap is very rare here. And besides, I find it very hard to hold my tongue.
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I absolutely agree that we need to get past the tribalism. The problem is that too many people in power are there BECAUSE of tribalism. Politicians, media, and social media are all pushing us further apart. They profit from all the chaos they are helping to cause. We have to actively try and stop it as individuals. I mean shit...the Russian's have weaponized our division. How manipulated have we become?
We do need to be able to discuss the issues and agree to disagree where appropriate but we also need to avoid it leaking out and infecting so many other discussions. I've obviously never been shy about sharing my opinion and I enjoy debate, but I enjoy this place, and the company of all of you more.
I can't stand the name calling either...libtard, repuke, all stupid. Anyone that starts saying that everyone on the other side is an idiot, or corrupt, or has been scammed, or whatever loses credibility in my eyes. Resorting to absolutes shows a lack of critical thinking to me.
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There will never be civil conversations regarding modern day politics so they need to be confined to political pages. Political post are like cancer to non political web pages. It divides and we don't need it.
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I can't stand the name calling either...libtard, repuke, all stupid. Anyone that starts saying that everyone on the other side is an idiot, or corrupt, or has been scammed, or whatever loses credibility in my eyes. Resorting to absolutes shows a lack of critical thinking to me.
Cant disagree with that, but I gotta admit I've heard some pretty funny insults. Most colorful I've seen is "You liberals all eat the raspberries out of clown poop". LOL not sure what that even means.
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Funny yes...sometimes...and interesting theatre...but also sad.
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Agree w the premise of this thread. Funny how it seems to have opened the door to political comments within it. Since it has, it shouldn't be out of line to add 2˘.
Could it be that the framework of Dem vs Rep (liberal vs conservative, blue vs red) this country is stuck in plays right into the hands of the ruling class? It keeps the masses divided and viewing one another as the opposition, when the main adversary of 80% or more of "the people" is the ruling class itself (the top .001% and largest multinational corporations).
That ruling class has bought the politicians, rigged the economy to their benefit, and owns mainstream media. Whether its Fox, Breitbart, AM radio, or the supposed liberal media, they all give you "news" ("messages" is more like it) those in charge want you to hear. How often do any of them talk about the growing threat of climate change, the economic destruction of trickle down policies, or how unnecessary all our wars are along with the financial burden of the defense budget? Listening to all sides of msm does not make one more or better informed, just duped by both sides of a warped, distorted coin. Even NPR has been taken over by corporate interests.
For those who believe there is a liberal media, please explain why they marginalized, ignored, and smeared Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primary.
Instead of viewing politics, elections and candidates as Dem vs Rep, we need to think in terms of The People vs .001%, main st vs wall st, workers vs corporations. Otherwise we'll remain split and the ruling elite will remain in power.
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There will never be civil conversations regarding modern day politics so they need to be confined to political pages. Political post are like cancer to non political web pages. It divides and we don't need it.
Maybe that is exactly what we need? To learn how to debate politics like fellow human beings?
I do agree it is fine to contain it to random tho, since I totally get that some people do not want to ingest politics in everything they do.
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i think "leave politics out of it" is a good name for the sewer in which we try to confine politics.
and maybe it need not be a sewer and we can engage decent debate/dialogue--we shall see--it's going ok so far--but it'll likely inflame at some point
so why not here? seems as good a place as any--any that isnt polluting sup-related threads
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Agree w the premise of this thread. Funny how it seems to have opened the door to political comments within it. Since it has, it shouldn't be out of line to add 2˘.
For those who believe there is a liberal media, please explain why they marginalized, ignored, and smeared Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primary.
You asked some questions, baiting answers that some may not agree to, which in turn may invite some debate.
So for this question, maybe you should ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz for an answer to that.
I will now remove the hook from my lip, and swim away.
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i agree with you paddlinglass, but that shdnt be surprising--you lean a lil bit left if i may say so myself
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Agree w the premise of this thread. Funny how it seems to have opened the door to political comments within it. Since it has, it shouldn't be out of line to add 2˘.
Could it be that the framework of Dem vs Rep (liberal vs conservative, blue vs red) this country is stuck in plays right into the hands of the ruling class? It keeps the masses divided and viewing one another as the opposition, when the main adversary of 80% or more of "the people" is the ruling class itself (the top .001% and largest multinational corporations).
That ruling class has bought the politicians, rigged the economy to their benefit, and owns mainstream media. Whether its Fox, Breitbart, AM radio, or the supposed liberal media, they all give you "news" ("messages" is more like it) those in charge want you to hear. How often do any of them talk about the growing threat of climate change, the economic destruction of trickle down policies, or how unnecessary all our wars are along with the financial burden of the defense budget? Listening to all sides of msm does not make one more or better informed, just duped by both sides of a warped, distorted coin. Even NPR has been taken over by corporate interests.
For those who believe there is a liberal media, please explain why they marginalized, ignored, and smeared Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primary.
Instead of viewing politics, elections and candidates as Dem vs Rep, we need to think in terms of The People vs .001%, main st vs wall st, workers vs corporations. Otherwise we'll remain split and the ruling elite will remain in power.
Excellent post! Not that we're talking politics of course ;)
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--you lean a lil bit left if i may say so myself
Yes, I find myself doing that as well the older I get...but then again I am known to be a "goofy" footer, so it probably surprises no one that leaning to the right tends to upset my balance a little easier than when I lean a lil bit more to the left when going down the line.
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It’s not a healthy sign when a democracy gets so polarised that people begin to become uncomfortable to freely express their views.
Get up! Stand up!
Stand up for your rights.
https://youtu.be/TidVH0qZdpk
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Like statistics, 73.6 percent of politics are made up on the spot. :D
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That's twice now I've heard that same statistic, so it must be true! ;D
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And it's always true if you read it online 8)
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https://youtu.be/FXdYSQ6nu-M?list=WL