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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: surfcowboy on January 26, 2018, 06:59:50 PM
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Ok look about half of this thing is speculation at this point so let's speculate boys. (Still hoping some women will join here some day. I finally got 2 awesome female surfers in my core crew this year.)
Foamies, love 'em, hate 'em, but either way they are a thing.
Daily Bread broke an INT so I wanted to post my idea for foiling a softie.
I wanted to set up a Wavestorm to learn to prone and what I came up with was not to mount to the board, but to mount the board, onto a board.
1/4" plywood sealed up as the bottom of the foam board. Maybe 2" narrower in each side to keep the rails from being hard and 4 t-nuts that you could bolt the foil into.
My first backyard test would be like Piros duct taping a foil on. Just wrap the plywood to the board with tape like a mummy to prove the concept and if it worked then you could permanently glue the ply down and also maybe put a few anchors through the board to reinforce it.
I'm trying to envision a longer term custom prone foil board for myself and I can't see why I wouldn't just bag EVA on the top instead of bothering to sand it down.
Who's crazy enough to grab some ply and gorilla tape from Home Depot and get to it? Daily Bread, I think you have the perfect test board now.
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I did an 5'-8" waves storm. I installed 2x6 wood block in between the existing stingers, used gorilla glue, then bolted the flange adaptor threw the whole block. To it out and it worked
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I also did an 8' waves storm. I mounted an 1/8 plywood, shaped it so it covers the existing holes and bolted it right threw the board totaling 6 bolts. Then used a flange adaptor to mount the foil and also bolted THAT FLANGE right threw the ply wood as well, took it out, and it worked. It's not the best but it did the job.
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Jeez, now I gotta go dumpster diving for broken wavestorms.
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Committed that idea of bolting to the existing holes is genius.
Avoid the duct tape. I think if you took it a foot forward of the fins you'd be bulletproof.
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Jeez, now I gotta go dumpster diving for broken wavestorms.
I'm currently diving my local grounds, but haven't been able to find any yet. I'm looking.
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Cool thread surfcowboy... reminds me of Kai Lenny foiling his boogie board:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro5KQfRlGZ0
The other thing I wondered was how well an inflatable really works for foiling:
http://www.californiakiteboarding.com/product/2018-starboard-74-x-30-hyper-nut-foil-inflatable/
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I did a 7' Toquito made by wave storm
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I did a 7' Toquito made by wave storm
I have been wanting to mount my foil to to the taquito too. Can you post close up pictures of your mount from the bottom and more detail about the materials (screws, etc) that you used?
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Yeah, I'm curious too.
I'll offer the idea that if you put a wood plate on the bottom and then cut the top foam off and put a plate up top and then cover it with the foam again and glue it down, I'll be it'd work. But I'm curious as to how this one was done.
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Cool thread.....
SC, nice adaptation.... is your leash attached to the foil?
That's the only thing worth saving, and the 1st thing to sink!
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SC, nice adaptation.... is your leash attached to the foil?
That's the only thing worth saving, and the 1st thing to sink!
A 'feature' of the GoFoils is that they FLOAT!!!! This is hugely important when they rip out from reef strikes or waves larger than prescribed for safe use.
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Yeah, I'm curious too.
I'll offer the idea that if you put a wood plate on the bottom and then cut the top foam off and put a plate up top and then cover it with the foam again and glue it down, I'll be it'd work. But I'm curious as to how this one was done.
This basically how I mounted my foil. Peeled back the deck foam, dug out the foam, glued a 2x6 wood block in between the exsicting stringers, and glued the deck pad back down. Then used flanged adaptor and bolted it right trough the block. Hope this helps answer your question.
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Here's a few pics of this board
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personally I would want to add some extra strength to cantilever of the mast mount to the front foot area, it will never last without it
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personally I would want to add some extra strength to cantilever of the mast mount to the front foot area, it will never last without it
It's not ment to last. It's just a fun build for less then...$40
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personally I would want to add some extra strength to cantilever of the mast mount to the front foot area, it will never last without it
It's not ment to last. It's just a fun build for less then...$40
Sorry but thats fairly irresponsible as far as far as environmental issues go and the waste that is produced from the manufacture and disposal of your bit of fun. at $40 I don’t even see it as good value when you know it will break in a few hours when for a little extra effort you could make it last
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UK, you're right that just a little longer board would fix that. In my case, three feet of 3/4" ply would make a foamie foiled that would last a bit longer.
SC, thanks for the crazy idea. Great to see it fly.
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personally I would want to add some extra strength to cantilever of the mast mount to the front foot area, it will never last without it
It's not ment to last. It's just a fun build for less then...$40
Sorry but thats fairly irresponsible as far as far as environmental issues go and the waste that is produced from the manufacture and disposal of your bit of fun. at $40 I don’t even see it as good value when you know it will break in a few hours when for a little extra effort you could make it last
WOW.....Whatever happen to the pure enjoyment of building something fun without the getting a backlash for some other reasons toward the negativity. Back in 2007 I went threw the same BS here and it seem not have changed. Now everyone seems to be an "EXPERT" on what/how it should be built. I have built board for years with the pure enjoyment and "NEVER" claim to be an expert nor down grade anyone for there passion. This forum has never changed from the early days. I wish all you participants with the "positive passion" of sharing the stoke with other to continue do what you do because I envy what you do. And for you "negative nerds" have a wonderful life.......I AM DONE WITH THIS FORUM......AGAIN!
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Hey Sam please don’t take any comments or suggestions that don’t agree with yours as a personal attack on you.. You should know how it works on the internet and don’t let yourself get stressed by these trivial things.. Everyone here appreciates your input and look forward to your posts.
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It's true, the Zone seems inhospitable at times. Clearly, not a place for sissies...
BTW, the WS foil idea is pure genius.
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So you guys know who SUP Committed is he is Sam P'ae and one of the visionaries and early adopters of SUP, Inventor of the Tail Handle for SUP's and early motivator and leader for Foil boarding.
Here he is talking about Foiling with Robert Stehlick more than a year ago. He is a font of knowlege and one of the few who is a couple years ahead of the curve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSR2wz3N0VQ
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Yup, too bad, but I suspect Sam is gone and he ain't coming back. I don't think there's much negativity here, certainly nothing like what I've experienced on other forums. Other than occasional political rants, which are easily dismissed, this is a pretty friendly place. But people speak their mind, and sometimes that touches a nerve.
Sam has a prickly side--he and I hit some rough spots a long time ago, but we're friends now, and I respect him greatly. I haven't seen him for a few years now and I miss him, so I was very happy to see him reappear on the zone. He's innovative, knowledgeable, generous with his knowledge, willing to try things that other people simply wouldn't pursue, and amazingly persistent. He makes stuff work that other folks would give up on. I admire the guy.
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I did an 5'-8" waves storm. I installed 2x6 wood block in between the existing stingers, used gorilla glue, then bolted the flange adaptor threw the whole block. To it out and it worked
Love it!
Thanks for the pics of the three models.
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for any one that wants to understand my thoughts on this a little more this is the problem we face here with these type of boards you can have a quick read on the problem we have here and I think most would agree its a truly scary thought to think all of this plastic is going to land fill from something that we should all be working to combat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-37430693 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-37430693)
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I am pretty sure I see one of my old boards in that stack. What can I do?
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for any one that wants to understand my thoughts on this a little more this is the problem we face here with these type of boards you can have a quick read on the problem we have here and I think most would agree its a truly scary thought to think all of this plastic is going to land fill from something that we should all be working to combat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-37430693 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-37430693)
Yeah, but you're preaching to the wrong crowd. If you're so passionate about it, then go yell at Wavestrom, Costco, or any, and all other retailers selling the dang $99 disposable boards. But don't toss your environmental guilting on the guy who said he's searching dumpsters to try to repurpose some already broken or returned Costco "rental" boards they toss out once the brilliant vacationers figured out they can buy them, use them for their one week stay, and then return them for their money back, and fly off or drive home w/o having to lug their big ol' used "surfboards" with them.
It should have been obvious to you that Sam was using salvaged boards as soon as he said, "It's just a fun build for less then...$40", because no one's going to be buying a new soft top, the required plywood, and hardware for "less then...$40". So now with your feigned indignation, you've managed to run off someone that just maybe the rest of us have enjoyed reading, and learning from his knowledge, experience, ingenuity, and just plain stoke with his love, and excitement of this newly rediscovered wave game regardless of what he was trying to ride/fly.
So while it's great for you, and the BeachCare organization to urge "people to buy more expensive boards which will last longer", why not put more effort in getting these eco-unfriendly foamies, and sponges outlawed all together, or push for a "disposal fee" paid at purchase of several hundred dollars to make folks think twice about if these disposable boards would be a better buy than a just decent, used, once more expensive glass board to learn to surf on in their one week annual surf adventure?
But if nothing else, how about at least showing your fellow SUZ neighbors here a little more aloha than you did poor Sam, for doing nothing more than sharing with folks the things he did with the medium they asked about being able to do....that he had managed to already figure out how to get it done, and working?
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Text is hard. Context and friendliness doesn't always come across.
I say we all give each other a pass as none of this would be an issue in person or in the lineup.
Pono, you're right (again) it's the internet. Nothing personal.
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cowboy.... I respectfully disagree, text is personal expression..... it can sooth or sting, depending wholly on intent.
Here, I'll give you an example:
supuk, solutions to scary problems like this, start at home.
If you really are seriously concerned, you could do your part.... stop building or using boards of any kind.
SUP committed.... I was very stoked to hear what you had to offer, it was unique and engaging... and all done in good fun.
We NEED contributors like you, who are happy offer up their insight, stoke and positivity.
I am sad to see you leave. again.
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supuk you have a point but as previously mentioned Sam’s boards were saved from the landfill for another go-round. You should have no issues with a reuse-recycle-repurpose policy. That is quite a stack of bodyboards - maybe spread the message of what Dan Mann is doing with that sort of trash down in San Diego and your local shapers can get something started to give these boards yet another life. http://www.goodbrine.com/how-to-build-a-surfboard-from-trash-with-dan-mann/
I hope Sam comes back - I always enjoyed his innovations and experiments.
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I’m sorry I can see the part we’re he is saying they are from previously broken boards however he did imply that they it was not designed to last and all I was trying to suggest was a way to try and prevent it from breaking or breaking again if it’s was previously broken. Perhaps if he didn’t intend it to last it would be better to fix it up and give it to a child we’re it could last signifactly longer and avoid breaking it straight away again after all he odviosly has a lot better boards avalable.
It’s actually been my quest for a foam less board for a long time and something I have spent a long time on researching. currently about 95% of any polystyrene waste gets recycled or re purposed. I am allso directing a lot more of my time to working on some plastic and polystyrene recycling machine that are to be open source designs as part of the precious plastic movement so I’m trying to do as much as posable.
We did a beach clean the other day and it really hits home how big the problem is with the amount of polystyrene we picked up.
The hole reason I do board repair in to keep boards from having a early grave and the hole reason I’m so passionate about building boards to as good quality as posable is so that they can last many times over what some of the boards you see now and to stop them going to land fill. If it wasn’t for the foilboards I actually no have a quiver that should last me a life time unless anything major changes, stoping building boards is surprisingly high on my list for a number of reasons. There are a lot of people doing some cool things to help with the upcycleing of old boards it’s the first time I have seen the one posted above so thanks for that the one I love is
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supuk, solutions to scary problems like this, start at home.
If you really are seriously concerned, you could do your part.... stop building or using boards of any kind.
Wow, isn’t that rather hypocritical coming from a guy who is the pimp-in-chief for Sunova?
How is building boards responsibly, with minimal waste, on a very small scale, and that will outlast any of the Sunovas you pimp, a bigger contributor to the problem?
I suspect this is yet another example of the animosity built up over that damn Trump thread spilling over to here, yet again. Or else you just don’t give a sh** about the environment and are just looking for an excuse to have a go at someone who does.
Sam didn’t perhaps flag up what he was doing *quite* as clearly as he could have, and supuk could have read the post more carefully. Sam has over-reacted, and supuk has now apologised. So there’s no need for you to wade into this at all. Let’s just let this one go fer chrissakes.
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Area 10 said:
Wow, isn’t that rather hypocritical coming from a guy who is the pimp-in-chief for Sunova?
How is building boards responsibly, with minimal waste, on a very small scale, and that will outlast any of the Sunovas you pimp, a bigger contributor to the problem?
I suspect this is yet another example of the animosity built up over that damn Trump thread spilling over to here, yet again. Or else you just don’t give a sh** about the environment and are just looking for an excuse to have a go at someone who does.
So stoked to share your passion for all things SUP!
I'm not going anywhere.... I love this place and the folks who come here to be upbeat and sharing.
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supuk, solutions to scary problems like this, start at home.
If you really are seriously concerned, you could do your part.... stop building or using boards of any kind.
Wow, isn’t that rather hypocritical coming from a guy who is the pimp-in-chief for Sunova?
I think Creek's statement was a brilliant use of situational irony but now I'm wondering if A10 might just have doubled down with some followup sarcasm of his own. ;D
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Aloha everyone.....Sorry for the heartache and turmoil I may have caused. I have read through the last several posting and I must say I have never felt so much love and support from some of you that I have never met. Yes I did get upset and yes I may have over reacted and I do understand that the Internet can be a cruel place and one can present himself as very knowledgable. I have met many online bloggers that type a "big game" but can never back it up. So what does this have to with this thread? It's the passion I have. I brainstorm, build, and try. If I fail then I'll try again and learn. Everything I type, say, post, and share....I can back up
Surfcowboy started this daily bread and asked, so with this knowledge I responded by sharing my passion. Yes it's not the most durable way to build a foil board and yes it won't last for someone of my magnitude. Keep in mind I'm 5'9" at 230lb and I'm throwing this thing into the gauntlet. If it works then anyone smaller will benefit. All these board are misused, abused, then discarded which makes me feel this craft is "misunderstood".....it belongs in the ocean and I'm giving it a 2nd life. Supuk don't tell me I'm being "irresponsible" for the lack of effort to reinforcing my project due to environmental issue that I know will only last for a few hours......EXCUSE ME!!! This was a hit way below the belt, totally off the subject, and that's what set me off. Back when I started the "Tail Handle" thread me and PonoBill had a similar issue. And I told "him" like I'm going to tell "YOU" Supuk do me a favor, if you want to talk about the environment and its issues which is "totally off this subject, take it somewhere else" and start your own thread. I'm doing this out of respect to "Surfcowboy" and this subject. I don't like hearing, talking, or seeing negativity it bring a person morals down.
I would like to thank everyone again for the love and support through out this thread and its posting. I'm not sure I'll continue to hang around this forum. I have no control. I may just stick to my SUP Committed page on Facebook/Instagram. But cowboy I won't abandon you I may just lurk here and see what going on There's really nothing else in this forum that interest me.
In closing if I have offended, sadden, or cause a heartache to anyone. I truly would like to apologize. To Mr. Supuk I've received your email, read your post and fully accept/welcome in your apology. Hopefully one day our path will cross and we can sit down, have a beer together, and laugh about this whole thing like me and Bill did back in 09' at the BOP. Except he passed me heading to the finish line.....Miss you as well ol'Geezer
Aloha.....Sam Pa'e
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So after this board broke I shaped it down to 5'-2"
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I also made a 4'-9" as well
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I like the rear foot stop. The beauty of the Costco boards is you can try just about anything with them. I see you have winglets on your wing. Can you tell me your thoughts on them? Do they make the wing more stable?
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I see you have winglets on your wing. Can you tell me your thoughts on them? Do they make the wing more stable?
The winglets help with controlling over White Water. The Foyle will tend to get a bit loose on you and feel a bit skittish. You'll be able to stay in some type of control but it's a 100% fix. So unless you don't plan on hitting a lot of white water. You really don't need it. Best stay away from it. Hope this helps
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My scariest wipeouts came from trying to ride through or off whitewater like in some of the videos. The skilled foilers make it look easy, buy I've decided to avoid it like the plague, for now.
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I love taking off in fresh whitewater--it's a free catapult launch, I hardly have to paddle, just push down hard on the nose and wait for the speed to build before taking off. I also figured out how to ride over it by watching some of the better riders. I noticed they shifted their weight forward as they approached it, and stayed a little further forward, with the nose down even though the board didn't drop any. I've tried it a few times now and made it work twice.
I've seen winglets like Sam's on a few foils here. I assumed they worked like winglets on an airplane, acting as a fence to reduce tip turbulence from airflow bleeding off the tip instead of the trailing edge. It makes sense that it would confine the turbulence in whitewater as well.
Sam, I assume you're prone surfing those Taquitos. I can't see any way you could stand on one. Then again, after watching guys paddle 5'5" Kalama boards that look like a boogie board I'm ready to believe about anything.
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Good to have you back Sam. Sometimes it's best to just ignore negative comments and don't take them personally. Please carry on recycling and experimenting and posting about it here. I know that all the boards you used were bound for the landfill, so what you are doing is environmentally responsible, in my opinion.
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Sam, I assume you're prone surfing those Taquitos. I can't see any way you could stand on one. Then again, after watching guys paddle 5'5" Kalama boards that look like a boogie board I'm ready to believe about anything.
Yes I have been proning with that board. It's quite stable and paddles really well for someone of my size. A friend gave me this board and he would stand on it and paddle out. The other week I gave it to him and he was able to SUP and foil with it. Derek has an excellent balance and was able to enjoy this board again. I don't see myself going anything smaller than Maybe 6'
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Aloha Sam,
It's always good to see and here about what projects you're working on. Thanks's for your input :)
I just picked up an old 18' x 27 unlimited with a blown out rail and mold growing all around the cracked vent plug. Bringing a large chunk of foam, bound for the dumpster back to life is the kind of project excites me more than a new board. It's a descent Ron House shape and will make a good open water unlimited for a big guy like me. With some minor reshaping, glass repairs, new coat of paint and deck pad I'll be stroked. In fact I look through Craigslist all the time for old cheap boards that I can possibly reshape and refinish into something better than the original. I've even been known to do a little dumpster diving down in the San Clemente surf ghetto.
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Aloha Sam,
It's always good to see and here about what projects you're working on. Thanks's for your input :)
I just picked up an old 18' x 27 unlimited with a blown out rail and mold growing all around the cracked vent plug. Bringing a large chunk of foam, bound for the dumpster back to life is the kind of project excites me more than a new board. It's a descent Ron House shape and will make a good open water unlimited for a big guy like me. With some minor reshaping, glass repairs, new coat of paint and deck pad I'll be stroked. In fact I look through Craigslist all the time for old cheap boards that I can possibly reshape and refinish into something better than the original. I've even been known to do a little dumpster diving down in the San Clemente surf ghetto.
I've always had it in my heart that every watercraft has a second life to enjoy its spiritual nature of what God has given us. And if this vessel can bring back the joy of what we all love then it's worth saving and doing. I love to see others take the passion and do what we all love and share with others what we all benefit and learn from. And the best part the labor maybe intense and the cost will be cheap but the satisfaction is priceless
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There's another wavestorm project that was bound for the landfill. 5'-2"×22"×3"
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156280678412930&id=233696452929