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Title: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on December 02, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
Triples (Derek) and I headed out to the Trailer Park wave that was flowing at 5,000 cfs this morning. The Flying Scud from Hydrus (Jason Zawadzki) was in flight. Got into a couple of waves and it's way harder than in looks!! Look for the fist/paddle pump after the second wave. lol
Can't wait for the new wing set-up from King's Foil to arrive later next week!! Keep charging!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCHcYc-1u_c

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on December 03, 2017, 04:53:59 PM
Put a Liquid Force tbar and wings (made for kiting) on today. Got into a couple of waves and flew a bit, it's very tricky! The big wings are coming soon!! Keep charging!!

https://youtu.be/lUD55eDaIGU
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfcowboy on December 09, 2017, 04:12:59 PM
Wow, that looks tough to do man!

Seems like the foil would be harder on a river wave due to picking up all the instability of the underwater current and movement. Did you feel that while paddling? (Although when you're learning anything it's always just a blur really lol.)
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on December 09, 2017, 04:59:02 PM
Wow, that looks tough to do man!

Seems like the foil would be harder on a river wave due to picking up all the instability of the underwater current and movement. Did you feel that while paddling? (Although when you're learning anything it's always just a blur really lol.)

Yes, it's very difficult to do!! The standing wave on a river is so different, crossing the eddy line etc.  The current wings are way too small and am waiting on the Dave Daum (www.kingspaddlesports.com) custom big wings to come . :)
The picture below is from today, and the set up was flying even though the tail of the board was touching the pile. It's because the 15 inch strut is needed to get into the wave without bottoming out and am going to see what the 22 inch strut will do (likely bottom out). However, it is hard to describe the amount of power in the water... it's a lot!! Thanks for asking and keep charging!!!

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on December 10, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
Put the 22 inch strut (mast) on the set up today. Hit rocks entering and it was super difficult because the small wings stalled but did take flight!! Amazing day!!

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 02, 2018, 06:19:16 PM
6í4Ē 15 lb railed river surf board from Hydrus.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 06, 2018, 03:44:11 PM
Here is the 6í3Ē inch Hydrus Foil board. Itís 15 lbs without the foil and has a track system put in.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfcowboy on February 06, 2018, 06:54:44 PM
That is a tough looking board man. What's the construction like?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: PonoBill on February 06, 2018, 07:23:55 PM
Sam, my noob experience says you need to square your hips across the board. If I stood the way you are standing in any wave I'd fall to the side--typically towards my ass.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 06, 2018, 10:06:07 PM
That is a tough looking board man. What's the construction like?

It was a 7í 6Ē first generation river board. It has about 13 inches cut off of it so itís around 6í3Ē and 15 lbs with the rail system installed. The main construction is a material called ďArmalightĒ and is super durable.
While itís designed to river foil surf, I might take a go at it on the Oregon coast soon.
Not sure how to install a foot strap on it though...
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 06, 2018, 10:08:12 PM
Sam, my noob experience says you need to square your hips across the board. If I stood the way you are standing in any wave I'd fall to the side--typically towards my ass.
Pono- thanks for the tips. I found river foil surfing to be more difficult than on the ocean. Hopefully this lighter board will fly even better!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: blueplanetsurf on February 06, 2018, 10:58:37 PM
Hi Sam,
Have you tried tying a rope across the stream and use it to "tow" against the current?  That may be a good way to practice flying the foil and once you get comfortable doing that you could ease yourself into the standing wave and  let go of the rope, kind of like wake foiling.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: XLR8 on February 07, 2018, 04:50:10 AM
^^^

This is the answer for River foiling, though I am just playing around with it.  Where I am at in Michigan we get good spring runoff.  I have looked for bigger holes under bridges that might have a standing wave but more of a big "tongue" of water.  Drop the line and do some river towing, working back and forth with the current.  You can even pump a little and develop some slack in the line and stay in place while on foil.  I'm hoping to get some footage this spring!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 07, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
Hi Sam,
Have you tried tying a rope across the stream and use it to "tow" against the current?  That may be a good way to practice flying the foil and once you get comfortable doing that you could ease yourself into the standing wave and  let go of the rope, kind of like wake foiling.

The simple answer is no I have not tried that yet and definitely not opposed to it. Based on the waves in the river I've foil surfed, there is no way to get into the wave with a rope because of the rocks that form the wave are shallow and in front of them (does that make sense)?
I've had some success paddling into the wave and flying the foil, however, with a 26 lb board, even the 32 inch wide wings could not make it fly consistently. I'm hoping by cutting 10 lbs off the board, making it shorter and stubby, it will fit into the wave and fly more consistently.
A set up that can fly a 'regular' standing wave (not huge flows) will open up a whole new playground!! We are working hard to make this happen!
Is there a chance, this set up could downwind on a lake with 2-3 foot waves or would the 7'6" King's board work better?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: DavidJohn on February 07, 2018, 06:46:41 PM
https://youtu.be/KqhqcUIBQsA
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 19, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
Rode a light 6' 3" board from Hydrus named the "Chimi" and the King's Foil wings. 21 degrees outside on the Spokane River, it was flowing 14,000 cfs and we surfed the Duplex Wave. There is so much potential in finding more river waves to foil surf!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqilsYXQIyI

Have fun and keep charging!

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: PonoBill on February 19, 2018, 06:24:13 PM
Man, that looks so hard, but once you get it, you'll make it looks easy and sucker in a bunch of idiots like me. I'm still seeing position problems, your back foot looks to be too far back, when the foil lifts you can't control it.

I'd use stick-on foot strap mounts. They should hold well on the Armalite. They can delam regular surfboards, but I doubt they'd be a problem. NSI in Hood River makes the best ones I've seen.http://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=159
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northshoreinc.com%2Fstore%2Fpc%2Fcatalog%2Fkitesurf_padz_smfi_627_detail.jpg&hash=6523e1a5300f3086e4eb580ed54f2443)
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 19, 2018, 07:44:13 PM
Man, that looks so hard, but once you get it, you'll make it looks easy and sucker in a bunch of idiots like me. I'm still seeing position problems, your back foot looks to be too far back, when the foil lifts you can't control it.

I'd use stick-on foot strap mounts. They should hold well on the Armalite. They can delam regular surfboards, but I doubt they'd be a problem. NSI in Hood River makes the best ones I've seen.http://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=159
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northshoreinc.com%2Fstore%2Fpc%2Fcatalog%2Fkitesurf_padz_smfi_627_detail.jpg&hash=6523e1a5300f3086e4eb580ed54f2443)

Pono- I've been looking for something like that! Is there any special mounting instructions? These look to be ideal!

I have my back foot over the tbar (strut). What's kinda crazy is it feels like it is flying when the back of the board is still touching the water and I have to lean back to pop it out of the water. Once she comes up, it's big charge as the wing faces the river. I could move everything further forward... but then wonder if it will fly? Because it's a rail system, I can move the entire foil assembly forward or back. Right now it's at 13 inches from the rear of the tail and could move it back one inch. Thoughts?
The lighter board makes a huge difference as well as it only being 6' 3" (a 7' 6" with the rear cut off). The river water flows around 6-7 mph's and am wondering if an even bigger front wing is needed?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: PonoBill on February 19, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
What I've learned is as Dave K, says, a little is a lot. In the video, your foot is actually a little behind the mast. At my newb stage, I need to be either right on the mast or slightly in front of it to maintain control. Front foot position is the most important, but if my back foot is just a little too far back I can't recover when the foil pops up suddenly. If it's an inch or two too far forward I can't get the foil to fly without what feels like an extreme movement.

An inch too far back or forward on the front foot has an even greater effect. I decided my front foot was too far forward and moved my strap back an inch. I spent an hour trying to control the moon shots and finally went in and moved it back. With the river water flowing fast past the wings I suspect your foot position will need to be perfect until you learn control. The folks who are good seem to get away with a more, but initially, the foot and body position seems to be everything.

Those NSI inserts are the bomb. Try to be sure you get them where you want them. They're hard to move after you press them down. Lots of peeps using them here on Maui.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: supuk on February 20, 2018, 12:41:43 AM
you look very close but i have to say personally it looks like the water speed is to low and the only time you lift is when you put the foil at a very high angle of attack which is not going to work for sustained flight. I don't think your far off but i think trying a larger wing or some were with a greater flow if it were me, but happy to be proven otherwise. I have tried this myself a few times on rivers but not found any were with anything like enough flow. There is that video some were of it working though so don't give up with the right river and foil it will be possible.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: opie on February 20, 2018, 07:49:17 AM
You are doing exactly what you need to do to learn, flying little bits and letting your brain build up a "foiling annex".
It's only a matter of time.

I think the advice you are getting is all good. You need to play with your foot position a bit and you would have instantly done better with a bigger wing or faster water, but I suspect you could make it work with current equipment with 10 to 20 more sessions.
Mostly you just need some more time but listening to everyone's tips, even contradictory ones, will help.  I think the variation of trying different things helps the builders in the annex.  So here's my tip. To get up flying try hopping with weight on the front leg instead of leaning back.  I try to hop and catch the board a few inches up with my weight more forward.  I find it easier to be in control of the flight that way.

Good luck and stay safe.   :)
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 21, 2018, 05:33:21 AM
Thank you and appreciate the thoughts and suggestions.
Iíll definitely adjust the foil and my feet. Whatís kind of
Interesting is that I was leaning way back to keep the
nose of the board from pearling and not necessarily to
rise the foil. Iíll have to play with that. I think a larger
front wing would be key, although the one Iím using
is 32 inches wide and thick.
My experience using a rope is way different than just
the flow of the river.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 25, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
You are doing exactly what you need to do to learn, flying little bits and letting your brain build up a "foiling annex".
It's only a matter of time.

I think the advice you are getting is all good. You need to play with your foot position a bit and you would have instantly done better with a bigger wing or faster water, but I suspect you could make it work with current equipment with 10 to 20 more sessions.
Mostly you just need some more time but listening to everyone's tips, even contradictory ones, will help.  I think the variation of trying different things helps the builders in the annex.  So here's my tip. To get up flying try hopping with weight on the front leg instead of leaning back.  I try to hop and catch the board a few inches up with my weight more forward.  I find it easier to be in control of the flight that way.

Good luck and stay safe.   :)

Went out on a solo mission today to the Mini Climax wave. Water was flowing 9,360 cfs and I tried two different rear wings and moved the foil assembly all the way back. What I learned was that on river wave you have to lean back hard to not pearl and the second it gains flight to get forward and fly. So stoked!!

Opie- Thanks for the encouragement and today was a breakthrough day. It is possible on the current equipment but a larger front wing would be awesome!
Pono- Thanks for the tip on 'mini' adjustments and I put the foil set-up all the way back about an inch. I'm ordering the stick on mounts for a front foot strap from the company you suggest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tixQd-Z3T5w

Keep charging!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Beasho on February 25, 2018, 05:48:56 PM
Kudos to you for all the effort in those wintry conditions.

I was foiling today with a guy in Northern California.  I didn't recognize him and said "First time out."  He says "Sort of, its my first time in cold water, its so much nicer in Hawaii!"

Ugggggg Yeah no Joke!  He was forced to wear a wetsuit. 
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on March 06, 2018, 09:53:08 PM
Kudos to you for all the effort in those wintry conditions.

I was foiling today with a guy in Northern California.  I didn't recognize him and said "First time out."  He says "Sort of, its my first time in cold water, its so much nicer in Hawaii!"

Ugggggg Yeah no Joke!  He was forced to wear a wetsuit.

We were in a cold snap, ice was all over making the rocks slipper.
I love what you are doing at Mavericks with gathering data. I try and film with the go pro and am interested in what you have done on the ocean and applying it to the river. Any thoughts on what could work?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on April 08, 2018, 03:19:38 PM
Great day today and was able to pump and stay in the wave. STOKED!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyPXdml9vz8
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 18, 2018, 05:43:35 PM
Wow!  Just found this thread.  I think we are all learning the same thing.  Foil surfing river waves is f---ing hard.  I have been trying for a year now and progress is slow to nill.  Probably for the same reason that video of Kai Lenny never materialized of him foil surfing some river wave out west.  Rides are typically so short lived that still pictures are far more impressive than the truth. The Truth!  Any time water flows over boulders and ledges, boils are formed.  Boils are wads of water moving in directions entirely different than the general flow of the river.  Foils being very sensitive to Angle Of Attack, can not easily handle these abrupt changes in flow direction and either toss you or choss you.  I have since moved my ski tow line a little upstream of the wave and to the side.  I then use the oncoming water to lift the foil for hours at a time and occasionally swing over to the wave and for a few moments when the line goes slack, I am actually foiling the wave, only to cut back after a few seconds to start tow foiling again.  Great fun!  Great practice!  Great way to test new foil shapes and designs.  Just be very, very, very careful when mixing moving water with any type of tow line.  One miscalculation and the inability to detach from a leash or line could be your last surf.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on May 19, 2018, 09:10:48 PM
That looks WAY harder than an ocean wave! I once rode a standing river wave here on my longboard. So fun!

https://youtu.be/Q3QM5ZX1w94
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 20, 2018, 03:07:36 PM
Wow!  Just found this thread.  I think we are all learning the same thing.  Foil surfing river waves is f---ing hard.  I have been trying for a year now and progress is slow to nill.  Probably for the same reason that video of Kai Lenny never materialized of him foil surfing some river wave out west.  Rides are typically so short lived that still pictures are far more impressive than the truth. The Truth!  Any time water flows over boulders and ledges, boils are formed.  Boils are wads of water moving in directions entirely different than the general flow of the river.  Foils being very sensitive to Angle Of Attack, can not easily handle these abrupt changes in flow direction and either toss you or choss you.  I have since moved my ski tow line a little upstream of the wave and to the side.  I then use the oncoming water to lift the foil for hours at a time and occasionally swing over to the wave and for a few moments when the line goes slack, I am actually foiling the wave, only to cut back after a few seconds to start tow foiling again.  Great fun!  Great practice!  Great way to test new foil shapes and designs.  Just be very, very, very careful when mixing moving water with any type of tow line.  One miscalculation and the inability to detach from a leash or line could be your last surf.

Thanks for sharing! Foil surfing on the ocean is quite different than the river as well as foiling being a boat. I have found the water is moving around 8 mph so getting a high angle of attack and then flattening out works to fly. The river wave is really dynamic and I just need some more foil time- my first attempt was last Memorial weekend. A year later have a 14 lb, 6' 3" board and new wings. lol  My goal is to paddle into and out of waves and find a way to foil surf all over!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 27, 2018, 05:46:50 PM
Finally! success!  Foiling with the new short mast helped considerably.  I used a rope to lower next to the face of the large wave and, with great trepidation, foiled over to the wave face.  Yes the turbulence was very noticeable but nowhere near the violence of my earlier attempts with the long mast,  I never did let go of the rope but would allow it to go slack for longer and longer segments of time.  The rope and associated leverage allowed me to maneuver quickly around boils to avoid the harsher bumps.   Absolutely the most fun I have ever had foiling at this site, a standing wave created by the incoming tide.  My biggest mistake was not having a go pro handy.  I will be going again so maybe footage will follow.  Any hints on settings so that the video can be downloaded  to this site?  Again, any time a rope is used in moving water, we must always have plans A, B and C.  A quick release leash which I wear on my arm.  Being dragged head first is way safer than feet first.  A knife at the ready.  I really wish I could find some sort of rope release with an adjustable release at a certain pull poundage.  While dragging underwater a great deal of force is applied to the rope.  Don't ask me how I know.
A buddy nearby just to enact plan C.  I don't always have the buddy.  I once had a wake up call at this very place and the thought did cross my mind-  "So this is how it's going to end".

I cant tell you how excited I am about this recent success.  I was truly beginning to think foiling river waves was asking a bit too much!  While the bumps(boils)  can be vicious, most of them can be sucked up with your legs.   
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 29, 2018, 08:41:41 PM
Finally! success!  Foiling with the new short mast helped considerably.  I used a rope to lower next to the face of the large wave and, with great trepidation, foiled over to the wave face.  Yes the turbulence was very noticeable but nowhere near the violence of my earlier attempts with the long mast,  I never did let go of the rope but would allow it to go slack for longer and longer segments of time.  The rope and associated leverage allowed me to maneuver quickly around boils to avoid the harsher bumps.   Absolutely the most fun I have ever had foiling at this site, a standing wave created by the incoming tide.  My biggest mistake was not having a go pro handy.  I will be going again so maybe footage will follow.  Any hints on settings so that the video can be downloaded  to this site?  Again, any time a rope is used in moving water, we must always have plans A, B and C.  A quick release leash which I wear on my arm.  Being dragged head first is way safer than feet first.  A knife at the ready.  I really wish I could find some sort of rope release with an adjustable release at a certain pull poundage.  While dragging underwater a great deal of force is applied to the rope.  Don't ask me how I know.
A buddy nearby just to enact plan C.  I don't always have the buddy.  I once had a wake up call at this very place and the thought did cross my mind-  "So this is how it's going to end".

I cant tell you how excited I am about this recent success.  I was truly beginning to think foiling river waves was asking a bit too much!  While the bumps(boils)  can be vicious, most of them can be sucked up with your legs.

Why not paddle into the wave instead of using a rope?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on May 30, 2018, 06:02:16 PM
Very cool. I don't think there are a whole lotta river foilers out there. GoPro video has to be uploaded to a host site, aka YouTube or Vimeo. I for one wanna see foiling on a river.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 30, 2018, 07:27:00 PM
Very cool. I don't think there are a whole lotta river foilers out there. GoPro video has to be uploaded to a host site, aka YouTube or Vimeo. I for one wanna see foiling on a river.

Here is one that was filmed with a GoPro from a side angle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyPXdml9vz8&app=desktop


Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on May 30, 2018, 07:54:16 PM
Sam, I'm always in awe, and so impressed that you'd even attempt foiling on a river....and even much more so that you're actual able to do it. My hat's off to you once again....you da man!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on May 30, 2018, 09:23:57 PM
Here is one that was filmed with a GoPro from a side angle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyPXdml9vz8&app=desktop
Nice. Thanx for posting that. Looks like a little too much work though for that short ride!  :P
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 31, 2018, 08:53:41 AM
As far as paddling onto the wave.  That is my goal but the turbulence at the eddy line is problematic, not to mention I must paddle offside just to cross it.  At this point, I just wanted to know if long rides were possible on the wave itself.  Almost done making my thick wing.  A slower wing will definitely help, coupled with the short mast, I think some very long rides will be possible.  Thanks for the video, really cool!  I think a thicker wing would help you also.  Looks like the water speed it a might too slow for that wing.  BTW, do I need to set my gopro on a lesser image quality to be able to post it on this forum?  Not really sure how I am going  to do this.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on May 31, 2018, 09:40:05 AM
BTW, do I need to set my gopro on a lesser image quality to be able to post it on this forum?  Not really sure how I am going  to do this.
I've been editing videos for more yrs than I care to remember. GoPro Quik is a free video editor and pretty easy to learn. After the video is edited you will have to "export" it into a more "friendly" file format. What's cool about the exported file is it plays WAY smoother at full screen. I always have great anticipation and excitement the first time I view a finished video.
But you will have to make a Youtube or Vimeo account and upload to there. Then share the link here on the forum. Also you can upload to Google Drive which offers a generous 15GB of storage for free.
good luck. It's a bit of a learning curve and takes a fair amount of patience to learn video editing. looking forward to seeing some river filing action!

https://shop.gopro.com/softwareandapp/quik-%7C-desktop/Quik-Desktop.html

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/57407?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 31, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
Whoa!  I'm going to have to read that half a dozen times before it all sinks in.  Thank you very much for explaining the method of getting videos onto this site. 
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on May 31, 2018, 09:32:05 PM
Lol...just take your time.  Can't break anything. It's really easy after you do a few edits and uploads. I have like 100GB of raw footage to edit still! I lime your user name. My Dad's name was Peter.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 03, 2018, 07:26:29 AM
The River Foil surfing adventure continues!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPYJ7JaWuMU
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on June 03, 2018, 07:45:54 AM
I admire your determination but played the vid at double speed to try and see it in real time. That looks quite difficult.




















Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 03, 2018, 12:32:07 PM
Nice ride!  Yeah! Its really hard!  So much has to be perfect. Water speed, turbulence, wing size...
I managed to get down to the standing wave yesterday, wave was almost non-existent due to small tide and bad winds but was able to get the foil gliding nonetheless.  Really would have been nice to have my thick wing since my wing was outrunning the wave.  Its easy to get them to go faster(pumping) but slowing them down is near impossible.  Gotta do that by adding wing thickness.  Thick wing is only days from being ready and then the tide phase should be good for some better rides. I really struggle with this video thing but managed to get one downloaded to You Tube.  Now if only I could get it to show up here.  I know- Go back and read the directions someone so kindly sent to me.

https://youtu.be/xLwNiyHsNNs

River Wave Foiling on You Tube
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: surfercook on June 03, 2018, 03:56:15 PM
Wow...nice smooth river foiling! Would it be possible to trade the rope up for a paddle? Seems like you'd have alot more freedom then.

Now if only I could get it to show up here.  I know- Go back and read the directions someone so kindly sent to me.
lol...that was me! But remembering all the user names here can be difficult.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 03, 2018, 04:47:06 PM
Definitely yes on the paddle!  My thick wing is in the vacuum bag right now.  it is over 1.5 inches thick and my hope is that this will allow me enough lift at the lower speed of the river and also slow me down enough to not out run the wave.  All of my past foils have been too fast on this wave.   If its too slow I can just pump.  I am very excited to try this new wing.  If this one does not work Ill just have to make a 2 inch thick wing.  The rope just allows me continuous surf time since this wave is tide dependent and the clock is running.  I'm trying to get as much surf time as I can before it disappears.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 03, 2018, 09:12:32 PM
Wow...nice smooth river foiling! Would it be possible to trade the rope up for a paddle? Seems like you'd have alot more freedom then.

Now if only I could get it to show up here.  I know- Go back and read the directions someone so kindly sent to me.
lol...that was me! But remembering all the user names here can be difficult.

In my experience, going behind a boat with a rope (very similar to being in a river, standing wave feel) is very different than paddling into a river wave. It's very cool to see different ways folks are having fun on the water!!
I'm finding the strut length to be a significant variable... 15 inch for the shallow rocks but not as forgiving when in the wave. The journey continues!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 03, 2018, 09:15:59 PM
Nice ride!  Yeah! Its really hard!  So much has to be perfect. Water speed, turbulence, wing size...
I managed to get down to the standing wave yesterday, wave was almost non-existent due to small tide and bad winds but was able to get the foil gliding nonetheless.  Really would have been nice to have my thick wing since my wing was outrunning the wave.  Its easy to get them to go faster(pumping) but slowing them down is near impossible.  Gotta do that by adding wing thickness.  Thick wing is only days from being ready and then the tide phase should be good for some better rides. I really struggle with this video thing but managed to get one downloaded to You Tube.  Now if only I could get it to show up here.  I know- Go back and read the directions someone so kindly sent to me.

https://youtu.be/xLwNiyHsNNs

River Wave Foiling on You Tube

SUPeater- if you would like, I'd be more than happy to test the wing you are trying out!! :) Serious!! What set-up are you on?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 04, 2018, 09:55:18 AM
My new short mast is 21 inches but I have probably 5 feet of water depth to play with.  Most of my difficulty was the amount of turbulence encountered the deeper I went.  My 33 inch mast was far too long.  As far as the set up I'm on, you can see it by going to the "Diy sup foil" page on this forum, pages 44-47, I think!  Pics of it there
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 09, 2018, 06:37:22 AM
Thick foil works far better except for it being more influenced by turbulence and boils making it more difficult to control at times.  Pumping does the trick for elevating the foil and bringing it back to the top of wave where its in coast mode all the way to the bottom.  If it were not for the amount of kelp at the shoulder entrance I would have tried to paddle onto it.  Tide is still not yet optimal for a big wave and a big shoulder but I'm sure it'll be fun trying.  Still having trouble getting this You tube address into attachment area.




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Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 09, 2018, 02:38:37 PM
Like the ocean, this wave was mushy and too small to surf... except on a foil!! Used the shorter 15 inch strut because of the rocks. Super fun and the journey continues!!


https://youtu.be/HsIEzgm-NdA
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 13, 2018, 05:00:52 PM
The journey continues!! Finding the balance on a slower moving wave for the river has been a great learning experience. Using the smaller 15 inch strut is necessary for the catch (it's shallow on the push off). The thread on pumping has me excited because it makes sense to lift your knees up to become 'weightless' and have the foil lift up and then weight down.
The larger 32 inch front wing makes a difference!! In this wave, I think an even bigger wing would help create more lift. The lighter board and shorter board is a difference maker. The board is about 14 lbs and is 6'3".
I'm finding simply trying to paddle into the wave is 1/2 the battle!! Push off and pop up and then paddle with your feet in the right spot is a great challenge. I'm also finding that all river waves are not equal. Some waves have fast moving water create them and others do not.
I appreciate the support from this forum to help continue to learn, grow, and progress!! Please share if you see something that could help my form!!

https://youtu.be/Cwj6lR9b1XQ

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on June 13, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
I think your form is pretty dang good all things considered (that river stuff looks insane), and while I don't currently use one...from watching what you're doing, and the height and attitude of the board...I get the feeling watching, that if anyone could use a rear foot strap I'd say it would be you...especially given the "unweighting" idea of it helping you unweight/lift the rear end and foil for just that little bit more added lift that I think might get you flying a little higher on the rear end, and just a little more level all the way around.

Now I say that not knowing the potential problem of adding an additional foot to get hung up in a strap in less than ideal conditions given all the rocks and boulders under there making your "wave". So that's definitely a safety consideration or evaluation before strapping in all the way.

Either way, best of luck with the continuing success you're seeing, and thanks for the clips...so fun to watch something that I can't imagine even being possible paddling in like you do, but you're definitely doing it, and it's amazing to see. So cool.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 14, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
Sorry!  Getting this post back to where it belongs.  Somehow got off track and onto a new thread.

Todays wave was not as big as I had hoped.  Focused on releasing the rope with both paddle and no paddle.  I had better luck without the paddle at times and at times the paddle helped.  Only managed to get a short clip of a no paddle ride.  I have a long ways to go before this gets easy.  So many different forces involved, boils, turbulence and wave size.  I was just happy to get short little rides and hope they get longer in the future. 


http://youtu.be/ewdBDL1VSGo
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 14, 2018, 06:21:07 PM
I think your form is pretty dang good all things considered (that river stuff looks insane), and while I don't currently use one...from watching what you're doing, and the height and attitude of the board...I get the feeling watching, that if anyone could use a rear foot strap I'd say it would be you...especially given the "unweighting" idea of it helping you unweight/lift the rear end and foil for just that little bit more added lift that I think might get you flying a little higher on the rear end, and just a little more level all the way around.

Now I say that not knowing the potential problem of adding an additional foot to get hung up in a strap in less than ideal conditions given all the rocks and boulders under there making your "wave". So that's definitely a safety consideration or evaluation before strapping in all the way.

Either way, best of luck with the continuing success you're seeing, and thanks for the clips...so fun to watch something that I can't imagine even being possible paddling in like you do, but you're definitely doing it, and it's amazing to see. So cool.

Sano- Good idea on the rear binding. I put the stick' em ones on that Pono had suggested for the front and could put those on for the back. In some cases, have had to take the strap off (entering the wave with the opposite push off, if that makes sense). They aren't in the way when off. Thanks for the suggestion!!

Hopefully, King's will come out with a larger front wing soon, I hear they are coming out with a complete foil set-up very soon.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 26, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
Derek, Dave, and I took to the famous Pipeline Wave on the Lochsa River. Had some success on the river foil and the adventure continues...

https://youtu.be/y54-Mjjyri0
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 27, 2018, 05:33:00 AM
Really nice!  Both the ride and the wave.  Not sure if water depth permits a longer mast but if you had one the rides might even be longer but then again that introduces a bit more difficulty in other areas.  Such a cool looking spot.  Where are you?  Looks like you are all having lotsa fun!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 28, 2018, 08:11:48 AM
Really nice!  Both the ride and the wave.  Not sure if water depth permits a longer mast but if you had one the rides might even be longer but then again that introduces a bit more difficulty in other areas.  Such a cool looking spot.  Where are you?  Looks like you are all having lotsa fun!

Sano- The wings were touching rocks on take-off so a longer mast wouldn't have worked, however, on the wave it would have been nice!! The wave is on the Lochsa River in Idaho and called the "Pipeline" because it breaks. One of the top river waves in the world in an amazing setting!!

Looking forward to trying a 5'9" foil board from Hydrus... should be here tomorrow. :) 
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on June 29, 2018, 09:56:05 AM
I thought it looked familiar.  Same wave Kai Lenny got on with his foil.  Still waiting for the video.  Have fun.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on October 05, 2018, 06:58:59 PM
So stoked!! Kings Foils are officially available!! Attached is a picture of the set up, I have a 36 inch front wing (the liquid force has the 32) with 15, 20, and 25 inch masts for different water levels. The 25 inch works great for the ocean, boats, and deep river waves. Canít wait to try the big 36er out!!

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on January 01, 2019, 06:56:40 PM
I continue to learn more as the journey continues. Thanks to Beasho for showing me how to properly put on a front foot strap which is essential on the river. While the mast is only 10" on this set-up (to get into the wave) it was still flying and with the shape of the board, it wasn't getting sucked down into the pile. It's a little like surfing the whitewash of an ocean wave (my only reference is SanO) but 100's harder (haha). As the waves and different breaks clean up, it will be fun to see what this will do and in the meantime, have a lot of fun on the wave(s) that are in. :)

Below is the write-up from today:
The King's Carbon River Foil Board is super light (and short ~5'4") with a King's Foil Set up that has a 36" front wing, glide rear wing, and multiple mast lengths depending on river depth (10", 15", 20", and 25"). I flew the 25" on this same set-up in the ocean at SanO last month. The wave was previously 'unfoilable' because of the shallow entry and low water flow (3,030 cfs) along with it being a 'pile' or whitewater wave. This set-up worked awesome and flew (even when part of the board was touching the whitewash)... super fun and excited for the possibility of getting into even more waves!! 1-1-19

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDzXDiUAkfI

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: opie on January 01, 2019, 08:24:01 PM
I bet that tiny board is helping you make the zillion adjustments necessary for the crazy river water. Very impressive.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on January 02, 2019, 06:52:34 PM
I bet that tiny board is helping you make the zillion adjustments necessary for the crazy river water. Very impressive.
Opie,

Yes the board makes a huge difference (shape, length, and size). It was specifically designed for the river but works amazing on the ocean as well.

I think the river water wave is super dynamic that makes the challenge different depending on what break and shape of wave. Flying at 10Ē on the river felt similar to flying at 2 feet and the main thing is that itís super fun!! Mast height and position can now be adjusted based on the break and depth of water!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Beasho on January 04, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
I continue to learn more as the journey continues. . . . put on a front foot strap which is essential on the river. While the mast is only 10" on this set-up (to get into the wave) it was still flying and with the shape of the board, it wasn't getting sucked down into the pile. It's a little like surfing the whitewash of an ocean wave (my only reference is SanO) but 100's harder (haha).

Watching the video it looks like you are constantly rocking and rolling on the foil. 

I have been Professing the Benefits of Footstraps for 6+ months now.  What you are showing is how critical the footstrap is to control, at a minimum, in the whitewater. 

Can you comment on how much more important the strap is to NOT having a strap?

I liken your video / experience to taking off in a critically steep whitewater wave situation.  The front STRAP makes a huge difference in these environments among others like turning and control at speed.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on January 05, 2019, 08:24:59 AM
I continue to learn more as the journey continues. . . . put on a front foot strap which is essential on the river. While the mast is only 10" on this set-up (to get into the wave) it was still flying and with the shape of the board, it wasn't getting sucked down into the pile. It's a little like surfing the whitewash of an ocean wave (my only reference is SanO) but 100's harder (haha).



Watching the video it looks like you are constantly rocking and rolling on the foil. 

I have been Professing the Benefits of Footstraps for 6+ months now.  What you are showing is how critical the footstrap is to control, at a minimum, in the whitewater. 

Can you comment on how much more important the strap is to NOT having a strap?

I liken your video / experience to taking off in a critically steep whitewater wave situation.  The front STRAP makes a huge difference in these environments among others like turning and control at speed.

The front strap is critical in the river for several reasons:
1) the take off. Standing on a rock and pushing into a wave, the strap put your foot exactly where it needs to be. It also holds the board like a hand (if you watch the video, my toes are barely in the strap to keep the board and wings away from the rocks below)
2) The ferry is a challenge because crossing the seam (where the water flow changes from going upstream to down stream) tips and rocks the board. The foot strap holds my foot to keep the board from ripping.
3) Once in the wave, the side to side rocking and forward and back in turbulent water, I use the upper ward part of my foot to stabilize the board

I would consider a rear strap as well but would be a real challenge in the whitewater. I tested a few times without a strap and figured out where my foot goes and have had way more success with the strap (thatís why I read the thread).

Foot straps are the real deal!!

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on January 05, 2019, 01:28:01 PM
Beasho- todayís foil illistrates the importance of a front foot strap on the river!! Itís amazing to fly in he river!! The journey continues!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rSEAiTo8A
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 17, 2019, 07:35:52 PM
EPIC day on to foil on the river!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbEKuZYFYc&t=13s
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: TallDude on February 17, 2019, 08:58:11 PM
Ripping it Sam! You've got your niche surfing spot my friend. You don't have to worry about line-up hassles from prone river surfers. You go head first into that freezing 33.1 degree water and you'll get worst brain freeze of your life. I think I'd stay with a shorter mast. Doing a high dive nose plunge into rocks makes it double scary. Hats off to you...
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on February 18, 2019, 07:41:30 AM
Ripping it Sam! You've got your niche surfing spot my friend. You don't have to worry about line-up hassles from prone river surfers. You go head first into that freezing 33.1 degree water and you'll get worst brain freeze of your life. I think I'd stay with a shorter mast. Doing a high dive nose plunge into rocks makes it double scary. Hats off to you...

Haha! The line up was small today! :) 25 degree air helps... and the short 10" mast puts the wings in the right spot for lift. It's really interesting that foil surfing the river that often the foil us pointed up out of hole/dip (you can see that dynamic on the close up). The short board and shape help with this and the 36" wing.

The first part of the clip I'm using the paddle to help my front foot get in place in the strap (for BEASHO  ;D). Although specifically designed for river foiling, the board and foil assembly (with a 25" mast) were awesome on the ocean!!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: skideeppow on March 12, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
Stumbled onto this thread.  I live in CO, about 20 min from the Glenwood Springs wave park.  I currently kite foil, have a number of different wings but have been using the moses 633 and 483 rear stablizer with a 91cm and 111cm mast.  I also have a SLingshot 76cm with 24 inch mast.  That is probably what i would use for the river.

Here is video of the glenwood wave, water speeds seem a lot faster than what you are riding. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOyCHeJMkA#action=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOyCHeJMkA#action=share)

Video of kite foiling, board size is 4'2", on a moses 633, 9 m kite in 18 mph winds.

https://youtu.be/ApUOBK5svF8 (https://youtu.be/ApUOBK5svF8)

We have had record snows, so am expecting water levels to reach in the 20k range. 

The eddy i pop in from is full of rocks.

So i dont even know where to begin.  I would probably need a new board,  and then the question is how to get on this wave.  Rope might be best?  I know the saftey issues, but i could have someone posted on the rope with a quick release.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on March 13, 2019, 08:57:09 PM
Stumbled onto this thread.  I live in CO, about 20 min from the Glenwood Springs wave park.  I currently kite foil, have a number of different wings but have been using the moses 633 and 483 rear stablizer with a 91cm and 111cm mast.  I also have a SLingshot 76cm with 24 inch mast.  That is probably what i would use for the river.

Here is video of the glenwood wave, water speeds seem a lot faster than what you are riding. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOyCHeJMkA#action=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOyCHeJMkA#action=share)

Video of kite foiling, board size is 4'2", on a moses 633, 9 m kite in 18 mph winds.

https://youtu.be/ApUOBK5svF8 (https://youtu.be/ApUOBK5svF8)

We have had record snows, so am expecting water levels to reach in the 20k range. 

The eddy i pop in from is full of rocks.

So i dont even know where to begin.  I would probably need a new board,  and then the question is how to get on this wave.  Rope might be best?  I know the saftey issues, but i could have someone posted on the rope with a quick release.

Any thoughts?

A few thoughts:

- the wave in the video I was surfing was really low levels (ideal at 6,000) and it was only around 2,900 cfs. The entry is super shallow so I used the 10 inch strut.
- I use several different strut/mast lengths (10, 15, 20, 23 inch) depending on the depth of the entry and river wave.
- higher flowing waves fly better. Either way, a huge front is key with a rear wing that glides (I didn't have a lot of success with the 'v' shaped rear wing because it didn't provide enough lift).
- a super light and short board are key to fit in the pocket.

It's an interesting concept though because I flew the famous Lochsa Pipeline river wave (where Kai Lenny prone foiled) and the entry would only allow a 15" strut even though the wave was deeper. I have a lot more to learn about strut/mast length because it isn't always about riding the longest one due to the water dynamics. The 10" seems to put the wings in the right spot most of the time.

I choose to not use ropes or any assistance and have learned how to paddle in, prone and stand up etc. The current set-up was over a year and a half of testing and finally have a set up that is adjustable, flies, and is super responsive!! This same set-up works awesome in the ocean as well and I've learned that flying is flying!! Ocean waves are amazing and river waves are amazing as well!! The set-up is a King's Paddle Board (5' 4" X 32" carbon) and foil assembly (with a 36" custom front wing and glide rear).

I highly recommend putting a front footstrap on- it's a real game changer!! I haven't put a rear one on yet because I'm worried about being stuck in it and trying to kick into it would be a challenge. Also, I find the river wave to be a huge challenge because of the water dynamics.

Hope this helps!!

Ben
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on March 31, 2019, 05:25:15 PM
The water is picking up CFS as the snow melts. Here is a great shot on the 15Ē strut!

Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on April 18, 2019, 07:24:50 PM
Had a great session today and if all goes well, I might even be able to share video.  One of those days where all the right things came together for a damn good time.  The right wing, the right mast, the right board, the right river flow, the right skills, and the right wave.   Had maybe 15 to 20 rides which typically ended with my quads burning from maintaining a low stance to suck up the dreaded boils.  Going back for more while the snowmelt continues to flood our rivers.



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Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on April 19, 2019, 10:57:46 AM
Yes,  I am an idiot when it comes to this shit.  Iíll try posting video again

https://youtu.be/rJG4oaw863s

Hope it works this time.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on April 19, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
Here is another short clip
https://youtu.be/zJzHaIZ-cuc
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on April 19, 2019, 05:58:13 PM
Awesome! Looks like a super nice green wave!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on April 20, 2019, 07:02:35 AM
Here is a clip from last weekend on the famous Pipeline wave. It was so shallow that the 10Ē strut was hitting rocks on entry. It was my first successful air drop (not intentional) haha. Also, it took almost 2 hours I get this wave.  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILHPdmcPX0U
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on April 21, 2019, 09:34:15 AM
Sucky go pro footage but I calculate that with the speed of the water I may have foiled a little over 2 miles through the water and never actually moved more than 100 yds.

https://youtu.be/YwSKre-DkCo
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on April 21, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
Looks great!! Nice work!! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Beasho on April 22, 2019, 06:16:22 AM
Yes!

Airdrop @ 0:20 is the move that you need to make dropping on a wave as well.  Big and small. 

Attenuating the pitch of the board on a drop or during a turn, to prevent the nose from touching, is part of the high performance foiling game.   
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on April 23, 2019, 06:39:42 AM
Yes!  When I finally figured out what you were referring to.  Getting into flight early is so much fun!
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on April 26, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
Sorry!  But this shits fun.  This is a much better and shorter video. 

https://youtu.be/hHWPO-wi_p0
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 06, 2019, 06:44:15 AM
Will river wave foil surfing ever catch on?  Probably not.  But for the few who just may have the perfect type of river wave near them, I may have a few tips that might lead to hours of challenging and fun  flight time.

Type of wave
Simply as deep and as large and smooth as you can find.  A foam pile spilling down the face also helps to catch it on the fly.  The trough depth at the highest of flows for the wave I foiled was approximately 7-9 ft.  Deep waves are necessary not so much for the foil clearance but more so for clearing the turbulence upwelling from the uneven bottom topography.  The shallower the river gets, the more turbulence one will encounter even on the same wave.  It takes time and distance for a boil created by a boulder or ledge too rise to the surface.  Foils and boils do not get along.

Wing size
Generally larger wings are necessary since as fast as the water looks like it is moving, it is actually only moving 6-8 mph on large waves.  Local river characteristics may be different but I find them to be quite slow.  Here is  the rub.  Larger wings interact negatively with boils more than smaller wings.

More later, Gotta go to work
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 08, 2019, 11:02:24 AM
For the few, if any, that are interested,  I will include a few more tips.

As water depth and flow decreases, boils rise closer to the surface.  While water depth may be more than adequate for a long mast, going to a shorter mast or going to a smaller wing may help.  Shorter mast will cause less interaction with boils.  Smaller wing will be influenced less by boils.  I just used a smaller wing alone but because this wing provided less lift , continuous side to side carving was necessary to keep wing speed adequate for flight. 

Well that's enough to get anyone started provided they have a great river wave.  Now to the important stuff, River Safety.

Always have your leash attached by a quick release system.  Should your leash get snagged on the river bottom, you will be dragged underwater .  Being dragged by your ankle, knee or waist may prevent you from releasing from the leash and you wont have much time to figure it out.  My one time experience with this situation was a true wake up call.  I prefer to attach the leash to my upper arm.  Being dragged head first is much more survivable and would be much easier to release or escape.  Carrying a river knife is highly recommended. 

Should a tow rope be necessary to get on the wave, you have now just increased the danger.  Ropes attached to the side of the river are safer since you would probably swing to the rivers edge if entangled, probably.  If in my case the rope is attached mid channel(bridge), this is very dangerous and should be avoided.  Since my need to foil is bigger than my brain, I still do it, using all the above recommendations.  Having a buddy around with a sharp knife to cut the rope is always a good idea.  Ropes and moving water -  really dangerous.

I hope more river foiling waves are located.  Where can one find a wave where foil rides last longer than ones legs?
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 08, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
https://youtu.be/rj8zzH0wmgo
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: red_tx on May 08, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
Peter, fucking awesome. You are most likely the king of river foiling. Thanks for posting these whack videos. One thing that the videos show besides your bad ass skills, is the takeoff where the wing lifts and the board leaves the water. From your videos you can clearly see the quick little hop is all it needs, And when you enter you are essentially moving backwards against the wave. A completely unrealistic scenario in the ocean, but highlights how easy it is to get the foil flying. Most other foiling videos do not show takeoff.

Anyway.. a round about way of saying thanks for posting and keep it up dude.
-red
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 11, 2019, 06:36:02 AM
Thatís awesome!! What Iím learning on this river foil journey is that itís super fun and challenging!!

Wave type is a big deal and with entry Iím finding I hit bottom with longer masts. So I use a selection from 10Ē-25Ē and think for most waves that 12.5Ē would be perfect (but I donít have that length.. haha). Whatís fun about the shorter masts is that the turns are quick and with a short board, can fit in the wave. Typically, river waves are super steep. Supeter found a beauty wave- Iíve never seen anything like that- go in standing up and backwards. Very cool.

I use a Badfish releasable leash that connects to a life jacket. A 36Ē wide front wing for lift. Not all flows allow the foil but it should later today.
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 11, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
Excuse the crappy phone film. This is an example of the potential of river foil surfing!! This wave is pretty much not surfable on a regular set up. Itís small and the entry is brutal. Iím planning on making a video of the attempted entry to the wave. Itís shallow going over rocks to the wave (I have dings on my board and wings to prove it.. haha). I used the 10Ē mast, and stood on a rock shin deep to kick off. Getting to the wave is much more difficult than surfing it. Plus, the 10Ē mast doesnít give much room for error. However, this was an absolute blast!! I do the Beasho front strap kick in and then let it ride. SO FUN!!

https://youtu.be/-w7bm78OcW0
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 11, 2019, 12:06:45 PM
For those interested in the longer version, below is the video from today in clips. It shows the process to ferry (enter) the wave. I'm finding the entry is the most difficult part of foiling river waves. It's key to have the right equipment, in this case, a 10" mast (hitting rocks on entry), a big 36" front wing for lift, a glide rear wing and on top of the fuselog (so the metal can protect the wing from rocks), and a 5'6" super light board. What's so cool is that this is small wave and almost unsurfable and now it IS surfable and fun! In the video, you will see a bunch of whitewater that creates a 'hole'. The key is to kick off and go right into the whitewash and get through it. Easier said than done. The front footstrap is key for stability, especially on the ferry over. The video is chronological and shows a lot fails! However, flying the wave makes it totally worth it!

The 10" mast allows for the shallow entry and makes the board very quick side to side which is super fun. It is also very technical because there isn't much room for error. If the wave only allows a 10" mast... so be it!! Flying IS flying!! Go have fun out there!!

https://youtu.be/VKHnbzdoBgE
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: SUPeter on May 13, 2019, 05:06:23 AM
So cool!  This river wave foiling stuff has definitely upped my foiling game.  Just dealing with all the turbulence has quickened my response time greatly.  I got on some ocean waves over the weekend and for the first time, foiling felt,  easy.   Great job on that wave!  looks really fast!  My wave is gone till next year or a hurricane rain.  Still on the hunt though.  Big rivers and big water up here in Maine.  Gotta be more waves like Joe P's.  Yes, the shorter mast make it fare more challenging.  It became much easier when I could use my 30" mast. 
Title: Re: River Foil Surf
Post by: Beasho on May 13, 2019, 06:37:52 AM
I got on some ocean waves over the weekend and for the first time, foiling felt,  easy.   . . . . .  It became much easier when I could use my 30" mast.

WoW! 

You're the only person . . . other than me  ::) to use that word with foiling.  2X in one paragraph no less.

Keep it up.  You are pushing the envelope and the more twitch time you get the better you will be.