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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => SUP Gear Reviews / Newly Acquired / On Order => Topic started by: Windwarrior on August 15, 2017, 03:24:08 PM
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I've just put an order in for a Hala Carbon Hoss and can't wait to get my hands on it.
I'll try really really hard not to drool on it after I open the box!😛
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Nice... are you taking it on rivers?
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Maybe not at first but eventually I'd like to do some easy river runs.
My Seattle! I miss the clear water. Sigh....
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Even lazy rivers are a blast. Since you're a Seattle homeboy, I recommend the Yakima Canyon, putting in just outside Ellensburg. ...and if you're living elsewhere, hey, you have s travel sup now ;D
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Sigh....now you're just teasing me with that picture. LOL!!
I lived there for 12yrs. and loved it there!! I'm in the Rocky region now. The water in the lakes here are NOT like out there brother.
If all goes as planned, I'll be back out there in the future though. Fingers crossed.
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I received my boat today and the very first thing I noticed waswhat looks like a blemish or something.
Should I call Hala and show them??? My eye keeps twitching every time I look at it. LOL!
The sales guy just wrote it off as a
"Well, these are hand made ya know". I look at it as "wtf, it's a brand new board I haven't even ridden yet". Am I going to have an issue down the road?
Has anyone else encountered this????
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I think that is where the fin reinforcement extends to the deck. It's a little bump that the deck material has to stretch over. Fully inflate it and see how it looks.
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Tall Dude is right. My Hoss has a rectangular area, which is the fin box that looks like that when the board is deflated. It looks like that small spot on the other side of the fin box on your deck pad may have been stretched or something when applied. Pump it up and see how it looks.
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Well, first thing I did was inflate it at the shop before I left and it didn't change one bit. I called and talked to Hala and the guy I spoke to said to inflate it and it should go away after a while. Sooooo, I plan on using this weekend and we'll see how it goes. If it doesn't go away, the guy told me to call and let him know.
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I have it fully inflated and I'm going to let it sit overnight. I'll use it this weekend and hopefully the combination of using it and being out in the sun will change things.
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Other than that issue, did I mention that the board looks AWESOME!!!! I can't wait to try it!!
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I received my board today and the very first thing I noticed waswhat looks like a blemish or something.
Should I call Hala and show them??? My eye keeps twitching every time I look at it. LOL!
The sales guy just wrote it off as a
"Well, these are hand made ya know". I look at it as "wtf, it's a brand new board I haven't even ridden yet". Am I going to have an issue down the road?
Has anyone else encountered this????
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No, my Hoss doesn't have that little scuff on the deck pad. Like I stated, maybe it was over stretched or scuffed during the process of attaching the deckpad. I don't think it would impact performance at all and it seems limited to the deck pad itself. If it's that big a deal, maybe they will allow you to swap it out with another Hoss or get a discount on gear.
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No, my Hoss doesn't have that little scuff on the deck pad. Like I stated, maybe it was over stretched or scuffed during the process of attaching the deckpad. I don't think it would impact performance at all and it seems limited to the deck pad itself. If it's that big a deal, maybe they will allow you to swap it out with another Hoss or get a discount on gear.
Sigh, yeah I know it won't affect performance. That's not the point. Paying top dollar, I expect top dollar, perfect. Ya know?
I seriously doubt this is going to go away even with the sun on it. First thing I did this morning was check it and it hasn't changed. This weekend will tell.
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No, my Hoss doesn't have that little scuff on the deck pad. Like I stated, maybe it was over stretched or scuffed during the process of attaching the deckpad. I don't think it would impact performance at all and it seems limited to the deck pad itself. If it's that big a deal, maybe they will allow you to swap it out with another Hoss or get a discount on gear.
Sigh, yeah I know it won't affect performance. That's not the point. Paying top dollar, I expect top dollar, perfect. Ya know?
I seriously doubt this is going to go away even with the sun on it. First thing I did this morning was check it and it hasn't changed. This weekend will tell.
I get it. Now that I have looked again, the scuff looks compressed and confined to the deck pad, so that's not just going to pop out while inflated board and sun exposure. Same deal. Talk to your dealer and voice your concerns about a new product that looks scuffed, and maybe they will hook you up. Discount, board swap, etc.
Good luck and give us your thoughts. Btw, you will want to inflate past 15PSI at your weight. Go 20.
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No, my Hoss doesn't have that little scuff on the deck pad. Like I stated, maybe it was over stretched or scuffed during the process of attaching the deckpad. I don't think it would impact performance at all and it seems limited to the deck pad itself. If it's that big a deal, maybe they will allow you to swap it out with another Hoss or get a discount on gear.
Sigh, yeah I know it won't affect performance. That's not the point. Paying top dollar, I expect top dollar, perfect. Ya know?
I seriously doubt this is going to go away even with the sun on it. First thing I did this morning was check it and it hasn't changed. This weekend will tell.
I get it. Now that I have looked again, the scuff looks compressed and confined to the deck pad, so that's not just going to pop out while inflated board and sun exposure.
Good luck and give us your thoughts. Btw, you will want to inflate past 15PSI at your weight. Go 20.
Exactly! It's compressed and confined to the deck pad.
At this altitude, 15psi is max and it's recommended only 12 for expansion.
Yep, board exchange is what's going to happen. No doubt about it. I'll chime in and update.
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To me this doesn't look like a scuff, rather the way it was folded, something imprinted itself into the EVA while rolled up. What is on the tail of the board? Judging by the fold, a d-ring or webbing point on the tail could have dented the foam. Any pics of the whole tail area or it folded?
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To me this doesn't look like a scuff, rather the way it was folded, something imprinted itself into the EVA while rolled up. What is on the tail of the board? Judging by the fold, a d-ring or webbing point on the tail could have dented the foam. Any pics of the whole tail area or it folded?
Ya know what? After that observation and taking this picture, you're absolutely right!! I can see where the D-ring impression is on the kick pad and following that back towards the end the only thing left is the grab handle!!!
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Sooo, went out today on the maiden voyage of my Hala and I had a blast on it!!
At first the board felt pretty wobbly since I've never been on one. Even staying on my knees was wobbly. I stayed on my knees and realized that the farther apart I kept them, the less wobbly it felt.
I paddled away for a while and decided to give it a go and try standing up!! LOL!!! Placed one foot on the board next to the center handle and a millisecond later, bloop, I went into the drink, laughing on the way in. LOL!!
Getting back on the board was actually much easier than I expected it to be. Grabbed ahold of the center grab handle and kicked my legs at the same time like I've watched on a couple of YouTube videos and back on board I went!! Got back on my knees and went for the standing up again AND bloop back into the drink I went! This time, not only was I laughing but I was yelling sh*t at the same time. Good times!!
Sooo, I repeated the process of getting back on and decided to sit on top to gather my thoughts. Lol.
Everyone around was clapping and a group of youngsters were holding up score cards. THAT was funny!! Apparently my last dismount got me a couple of tens!! LOL!
Well, after a rest, a drink of water, I got back up on my knees, focused on keeping my hands planted in front of me and on the board and voila!!! I was standing on my board!! Woohooo!!!
I paddled away and kept my feet far enough apart which helped ease the wobbly feeling. I kept my head looking up and was fine from that point until I was at my first destination, a sand barge/island. I began to get down on my knees and bloop!! Into the drink. That was my last accidental bloop. I walked over to the sandy area and just sat on my board doing some people watching for a while.
I paddled the day away standing on my board and getting some good sun. Only other time I got in the water was to cool off. When I did, it was backwards flips or cannonball style!!
Great day on the water!!! Tomorrow I'm going to hop on a Red Paddle Explorer + 13'2" to compare the two boats.
Pic was taken by the owner of the shop that's going to let me try the Red tomorrow. It was the end of the day. Those dark clouds in the sky opened up just after I was done drying and loading the boat. THEN something like 30mph winds followed. It was crazy!! Float tubes, cooler tops,towels you name it were flying by as I was driving away. Kinda like in the Twister movie.Lol!!!
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Nice!
No leash?
Watch paddling videos for technique when you are jonesing for more paddling but cant' get out.
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Nice!
No leash?
Watch paddling videos for technique when you are jonesing for more paddling but cant' get out.
First thing I did was head to REI for a leash before I hit the lake. Luckily the location just up the road had 2 left. The leash was laying on the back of the board in the picture because I was just getting pictures at the end of the day.
My next project will be to mount a gopro on the board. I have a mount on my sea kayak so I'm assuming the glue those mounts come with will work on this board material too without issues?
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Btw, the marking on the board is still there.
Between the learning curve of balancing ,falling into the lake, climbing back on and paddling, I'm sore in places I didn't think it was possible to be sore in. LOL!
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Today I went to demo the Red Paddle 13'2". I'm no expert by any means but it seemed slower on the glide than my Hala. I don't know if it was because I was just comfortable with mine or what. I did like the length of the Red but the 4 inch difference was a bit much for now. At least until I get my sea legs and feel much more comfortable on boards. I think after I've paddled a full season I'll be able to better gauge the differences.
Definitely loving my Hala!!
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Good to read you are liking your Hoss. The Red 13'2" should definitely be faster than the Hoss, but if your balance isn't dialled in, it may seem slower or actually could be slower at first.
I'm really liking my Hoss. The length, stability and volume make it a really good crossover board for exploring narrower creeks and waterways, running some whitewater, mellow cruising and packing gear. The first thing I did when I picked up my Hoss in Idaho was take it up a creek feeding into Kootenay river I had never explored before. It was nice to go through the shallow and tight sections without having to worry about wrecking anything like you would with a composite construction. This past weekend I found a new pictograph/cliff painting area on the lake, and was able to either just leave my board in the water when I scaled the cliffs or drag it up on the rocks, which is so nice to be able to do when exploring rugged shore line.
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Very cool. Nice pics.
I'm thinking as time goes and a season or two of riding, I might look into a narrower board but for now I'm glad I picked the Hoss. Stable, long, wide and plenty of space for loading a tent,sleeping bag, stove, hammock and a chair. Perfect for a weekend outing exploring a lot of lakes out here.
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Another fun filled day of paddling! Except for the part of forgetting that your paddle is hanging from the top of the bungees when you stand it upright AND catch it in the nick of time! HA!
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I found a lazy river on the backside of this pond!! I'm curious about something, when cruising down a river and you want to turn or help keep the board straight which side of the boat should the paddle be on to turn which way???
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I found a lazy river on the backside of this pond!! I'm curious about something, when cruising down a river and you want to turn or help keep the board straight which side of the boat should the paddle be on to turn which way???
Depends on what kind of turn you want to use.
Here is a sweep stroke and reverse sweep stroke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg2Bzi_Cck8
And here is a cross bow turn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzZYqpKPUA
Hope this helps.
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Appreciate the vids but I don't think either apply for a river.
I'm trying to remember on a lot of rafting trips I've been on, I vaguely remember seeing the guide in back leaning back and dragging the paddle blade to make a turn. I just can't remember which side was for which direction we would go.
That's what I need to know. These vids were talking about making turns, for the most part on flat waters not running rivers.
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The cross bow and sweep strokes are very applicable to running rivers on an sup. You can make very quick course directions using a cross bow in either wide or small amounts and you don't have to switch hands to do it. The more you paddle, the more you will use a cross bow turn on rivers. You can also drag your paddle behind and it can act as a rudder and this can aid in turning as well. More experienced river runners will also sometimes paddle on both sides of their board without switching hands like you would normally do on flat water. It's uncomfortable at first but helpful in fast moving water, and when you have to make quick moves.
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Cross bow is pretty much t6he most important turn to learn for flowing water, from lazy river to whitewater.
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I meant to say quick course corrections for a cross bow turn, not directions, and like PB said, it's likely the most important stroke to use on the river for turning.
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I found a lazy river on the backside of this pond!! I'm curious about something, when cruising down a river and you want to turn or help keep the board straight which side of the boat should the paddle be on to turn which way???
SUP you want to be ambidextrous. If you find yourself with a much better side use the other side more so you get better on your weaker side.
Also, since the fin is in the back you get far more steering effect up front. Rafts and canoes don’t have fins so steering is more done at the back.
Ships older than 300 years (canoe hulls) did have their steering paddle attached on one side. Always right side. The word Starboard comes from StœrBoard, StearBoard. Those ships had to dock in port on their left side. Hence Port for the left side of the board.
But we’ve moved on from those techniques since 100’s of years.
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Pheeeewwww.....
Here I thought, lazy river, just hop in and drag paddle to turn left or right. Piece of cake right? Uhm, doesn't sound like it. Lol.
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back-paddle and drag on the inside of the turn - paddle forward (normal thrust) on the outside. Cross paddle applies too. Teeny/slow/twisty streams are fun but can require careful paddling the turns with your rudder fighting to keep you straight in the current. Paddling back down is easier. No rudder lets you spin easy - but of course sucks the rest of the time.
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back-paddle and drag on the inside of the turn - paddle forward (normal thrust) on the outside. Cross paddle applies too. Teeny/slow/twisty streams are fun but can require careful paddling the turns with your rudder fighting to keep you straight in the current. Paddling back down is easier. No rudder lets you spin easy - but of course sucks the rest of the time.
Definitely a teeny river!! I can walk almost all of it.My thoughts are to not use my middle rudder and just use the outer,shorter ones. Maybe even just get a shorter rudder and not use the outer ones? I dunno.
Which brings up another good question!! Do I really need ANY of the rudders on a LAKE?
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Pheeeewwww.....
Here I thought, lazy river, just hop in and drag paddle to turn left or right. Piece of cake right? Uhm, doesn't sound like it. Lol.
Drag paddle left or right to turn works when you got speed ... with respect to the water. Like down a wave. On flats: no paddling, no water speed.
It works on a raft because you're just slipping the tail end of the raft left or right (I presume rafts steer like canoes and don't have fins).
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Which brings up another good question!! Do I really need ANY of the rudders on a LAKE?
try!
PS [edit to add]
I don't think any theory or physics class is better than you trying to see what it's like. Go ahead, do it.
I've lost my fin twice! You know what thay say! Never 2 without 3. Not looking forward to the next time!!
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Which brings up another good question!! Do I really need ANY of the rudders on a LAKE?
You know what thay say! Never 2 without 3. Not looking forward to the next time!!
2 without 3??
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Which brings up another good question!! Do I really need ANY of the rudders on a LAKE?
You know what thay say! Never 2 without 3. Not looking forward to the next time!!
2 without 3??
I think it's a saying. Like bad things come in three.
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Pretty sure he's referring to the fin count. Just trying to figure out why.
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Bad luck comes in 3's.
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He's saying bad things come in 3's (I think people from Europe talk in sayings a lot - old culture? a saying for every situation? I can barely understand my Italian Facebook friend with Google translate) and that he's not looking forward to #3, cause it SUCKS to paddle a lake without a fin. Unlike Kayaks the SUP's won't go straight worth a damn without a fin -:D Actually - I tried paddling a OLD-school (1975?) fiberglass river kayak on a lake once in the 80's - it was about like my sup without a fin - pretty much sideways more than straight.
You might like the little side-bite fins well enough to try that - or hop off if it's shallow, remove the center fin for the creek, put it back on the way back?
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Which brings up another good question!! Do I really need ANY of the rudders on a LAKE?
try!
I don't think any theory or physics class is better than you trying to see what it's like. Go ahead, do it.
Good point! That's exactly what I'm going to do. What better place to try than a lazy river? Not deep at all and it'll give me a better understanding of action/reaction on flowing water for sure. Heck, I'll probably have a great time seeing the results too. Going backwards,getting spun around and everything else.
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a river may not be the easiest place to try
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a river may not be the easiest place to try
I'll try it on a lake first.
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SOOOOOOOOO!
I've come a long way from my first paddle and for some CRAZY reason gettin' an itch to get a Red Paddle now. Specifically the Voyager 13'2"!!
Sigh, why didn't anybody warn me on the itches and addictions to come? It may very well be due to some antibiotics needed. LOL!
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I almost forgot to mention the issues with my Hala have, for the most part, gone away. On my last paddle two weeks ago I was lounging around eating a snack and looked back to see it virtually gone. I was surprised to see that. I know, a few of you said that it would.
Needless to say, I have an important phone call to make to Peter(owner and founder of Hala.)
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SOOOOOOOOO!
I've come a long way from my first paddle and for some CRAZY reason gettin' an itch to get a Red Paddle now. Specifically the Voyager 13'2"!!
Sigh, why didn't anybody warn me on the itches and addictions to come? It may very well be due to some antibiotics needed. LOL!
There is no cure, there is no rehab! Call me when you're ready for a Red, 1-888-252-4983.
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I'm trying to find comparisons between the Red Paddle 13'2", the RP 12'6" and the Hala Carbon Hoss. So far what I've seen is that the Red Paddles have lower weight capacities than the Halas.
Between the 13'2" and the 12'6" , it seems that the 12'6" has better tracking. Not sure why though. Haven't been on either yet. I vaguely remember trying a Red Paddle last year and I THINK it was the 14'2".
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The rated max capacity of the Reds are 20lbs down on the Hala Carbon Hoss but the Reds are still rated to 330lbs.
Between the 13'2" and 12'6", the 13'2" will have better tracking/glide. It is longer and narrower. SUPboarder did a nice comparison video here: https://greenwatersports.com/11196/detailed-video-review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-voyager-boards
Our reviews are here:
https://greenwatersports.com/11689/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-13-2-voyager-plus-inflatable-paddle-board
https://greenwatersports.com/11171/review-of-the-2018-red-paddle-co-12-6-voyager-inflatable-paddle-board
We haven't tried the Hala but at 11' x 34" both Voyagers are going to track and glide better.
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Hi Windwarrior,
Sorry in that I can’t provide you with any comparisons, but I have the Red Explorer 13’2” x 30” and for an inflatable touring board, I really like it. It's just a comfortable board to paddle. It is stable, has a comfortable deck pad, is fairly stiff for an inflatable. I can try and answer any questions you might have on that specific board, but again, can’t help you with any comparisons.
Should also mention that I agree with Julian. I can’t see how the 12’ 6” Red is going to track better than the 13’ 2”. Just doesn’t make sense.
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I meant to say quick course corrections for a cross bow turn, not directions, and like PB said, it's likely the most important stroke to use on the river for turning.
I was thinking about this thread this spring - backpaddle really doesnt' work - I'm full of it. Kayak technique.
Cross-bow - not easy on longer boards - but I see it. I have start just sticking my paddle in and adjusting the angle - it turns forward momentum into side-ways motion - you can knock yourself off the board if you are moving at 3 or 4 mph. I find I have pretty good control now, and it's a good option on a 10 foot wide "lazy river".
Video from the spring - not great but you can at least see what I mean.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/X1S7gEuQJZtk3bnP8
Boards - I have a not so stable Red Elite at 14', and a more stable 12'6" Blue Planet - I have improved my technique and like the stability of the Blue Planet so much that I have used it the last 6 or 7 times. What speed do you want to go? I can easy do 3.5 mph - and I can do 4 miles at up to 4.2mph . But when I am puttering around in the creeks and having a nice time it's almost always 3 mph (this is the 12'6" BP) . I'm super heavyweight you will likely do better. Keep in mind that there is more drag from wetted surface to think about too. The 13 footer might take more energy to go 3.5 mph than the 12 footer? This is where Pono will have better advice maybe....
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Hi Windwarrior,
Sorry in that I can’t provide you with any comparisons, but I have the Red Explorer 13’2” x 30” and for an inflatable touring board, I really like it. It's just a comfortable board to paddle. It is stable, has a comfortable deck pad, is fairly stiff for an inflatable. I can try and answer any questions you might have on that specific board, but again, can’t help you with any comparisons.
Should also mention that I agree with Julian. I can’t see how the 12’ 6” Red is going to track better than the 13’ 2”. Just doesn’t make sense.
Hey Quickbeam,
Thanks for chiming in.
I'm wondering if you have loaded that thing up with gear and if so, how did it do with tracking etc? Especially in windy conditions. Fell free to chime in on the other thread I started.