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Stand Up Paddle => SUP Marketplace => Sunova SUP => Topic started by: supthecreek on June 30, 2017, 04:07:45 AM
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Rider stats
69 years old
235 lbs (106 kg)
I designed this performance board to have the stability I need in nasty conditions or New England winter gear....
or just to relax and have awesome performance in easy summer conditions :)
This board has been my dream for a while, combining my favorite features from all my Sunova's.
My goal was uncompromised performance, with needed stability
Bert Burger applied his magic to bring all these pieces together!
More than stoked with how well it turned out!!!
While my 9'4 x 32 does have the easy stability, it feels much smaller than it's size....more like a mid 8'er, performance wise.
The combination of the Speeed tail, performance rocker and outline curve is simply amazing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGiXa-y9NY
Finalized Creek dimensions..
7'4" x 25 1/8" x 3 5/8" @71.7L
7'7" x 26" x 3 3/4" @79.3L
7'10" x 26 7/8" x 3 7/8" @87.4L
8'1" x 27 11/16" x 4" @96L
8'4" x 28 9/16" x 4 1/8" @105.2L
8'7" x 29 7/16" x 4 1/4" @115L
8'10" x 30 1/4" x 4 3/8" @125.3L
9'1" x 31 1/8" x 4 1/2" @136.3L
9'4" x 32" x 4 9/16" @147.9L
9'7" x 32 7/8" x 4 11/16" @160L
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Looks like you should design seal repellent into your next board :) Maybe that could be a feature in the production models.
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Nice video. Since I notice details, I took a few looks at the split second shot showing how your feet were positioned on the 9'4" x 32" Creek model. Also, thanks for showing all the specs for or all of the different lengths the Creek comes in.
Thanks for the specs, the video and all of the photos in your post.
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Sweet-Niblet's! Super pics and a GREAT video showing a bit of a range of conditions - especially appreciative to see the board in lesser waves!
My go to board will continue to be my JL B&B given my passion for learning to nose ride but I've been talking/thinking about a board for when its not a B&B day and this (I believe) is exactly what I'm thinking I would want. Time to start thinking about some cool color combo, or maybe just go with the traditional finish. Sidelined for the next month or so but this gives me something to seriously dream about/ponder.
Love the video Creek! Props and Thanks!!!!
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Thanks guys!
Whatz^, I wouldn't normally chose the Creek for weak knee high waves, but it's nice to know that it works at shin high.
Night Wing... I was messing around with foot positions when paddling, to test the boards stability... I was quite surprised that that wave didn't knock me down.
pguidry.... I am a test case for bright colors. My break is in the middle of the most heavily studied Great White territory in the world...and I surf at dawn a lot. Time will tell :)
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Don't feel like you have to surf that board all the time, just because it has your name on it ::)
There is no such thing as a perfect board, but it looks like one you can be proud to have your name on.
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Sweet ride, and the colors are kewl, too! I predict a best seller for the BergerMeister.
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The 8.7 @ 115 could be my next board. I'm spending most of my time now on my 7.10 L41 Popdart and I'm looking for something for when it's bigger, windier, or more crowded. This board looks like maybe 90% of the Acid's performance, with a wider range of wave types -- the fuller nose and more parallel rails helping to generate planing and carry speed through turns. Decisions, decisions....
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Thanks TallDude, and don't worry, I surfed the 14' Search more than the Creek in last weeks tiny perfect waves.
Thanks Cheat.... this model is coming standard with color. Not positive what they will settle on, but they do nice color work.
shaver.... my high wind sessions on the Creek have me very happy with the speed it generates as well as performance and stability in rough conditions.
I have yet to ride it in any clean waves other than ankle slappers.
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Awesome job Creek. Love the video 8) This looks like it could be my next board,
how soon one might be able demo it?
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Thanks Creek
I think that this colour scheme is exceptional. The wood underneath is highlighted well. Love the transition. I look forward to what is decided for the production boards. I get so many positive comments about my Sunova boards and had several this morning out at Long Beach here on Vancouver Island. I lost the centre fin on my Skate after about an hour. Came in and the surfer in the car next to me said he had a fin I could borrow but he didn't have a key. The surfer on the other side lent me a key and got me back out into some nice waves. The shared stoke out here is palpable and I think these beautiful boards are helping to bridge the gap in a small way.
Cheers
Bob
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Very stylish shirt!
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Very stylish shirt!
Absolutely, you have to come visit it soon! :)
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I guess we are going to see a "Creek" model in Santa Cruz. Kirby ordered one, with colors, no less. Double Kewl.
I think he said 9.4@150L or so.
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I guess we are going to see a "Creek" model in Santa Cruz. Kirby ordered one, with colors, no less. Double Kewl.
I think he said 9.4@150L or so.
That would be 147.9 liters.
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Hi STC!
Your 'Creek' design looks amazing and well deserved with all of the hard work (and play! ) that you've contributed to our sport and this great forum! Your videos and comments are greatly appreciated!
Do you happen to have any further information on the production boards - release dates, prices, colour scheme etc?
Finally, would the 'Creek' compliment a Speeed in a quiver or are they too similar? I have a 9'2 Speeed and being an 83kg improving intermediate SUPer I was wondering which size would be ideal (the 8'10", 9'1" possibly? )?
Thanks for now!
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Thanks supcymru!
The "Creek" is fully available through any Sunova dealer, world wide. It has been in production since they made the first ones for me and lopezwill.
They are starting to arrive to buyers in the US, and shops in Australia will be getting them in their spring shipments arriving soon.
Since US shops got their shipments prior to the introduction of the "Creek", they will have to order one for you.
It will be shipped direct from the factory to your house.
US shops are now putting orders in for the "Creek" so they will be in the shops when shipments arrive down the road.
The Creek is an entirely different board from your Speeed.
I think the Speeed tail is the best I have ever surfed, so that was a BIG part of my design.
Differences:
the "Creek" has rail curve, so it turns and pumps from the middle.
High performance rocker allows it to go vertical and snap off the top easier.
Super loose... and very fast.
You should be fine on an 8'10 Creek, because part of my design was based on extra width in the nose and a moderate rail curve to hold some stability.
The 8'10 has 125 liters which puts you at a float factor of 1.35, which is very reasonable.
It is also the exact same width as the 9'2 Speeed, and thinner overall, so a much flatter deck.
I think the 8'10 makes the most sense, since it would give you a smaller performance board to step up your game as you progress.
The makings of a very good quiver!
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Thank you for replying so quickly and for providing so much information! It'll be interesting to see and read more about the new Creeks over the next few months.
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I have currently a Speeed 85 and weigh 82 kg. Which Creek would be the right choice! 84 or 87? It is most of the time windy when we have stronger waves here in Mediterranean. I heard that Creek is a bit less stable than the Speeed the similar size, maybe I should opt for the 87.
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Thanks Viator
I to am debating between a 84 and 87 Creek. I am a bit lighter at 70kg and currently ride a 810 Speeed and 810 Skate. I really enjoy both these boards. The Skate in choppy shore breaks and the Speeed when a bit cleaner. Starting to get to the nose of the Speeed. I havent seen much feedback on the Creek yet. Call out to anyone out there riding a Creek your experiences surfing this model would be much appreciated!
Cheers
Bob
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The Creek is finally getting in the hands of some buyers.
I have gotten amazing feedback from some very good surfers who are riding serious waves on 7'10's. They love it, but are not active forum people.
Creeks are arriving in Australia as we speak, and I look forward to their feedback.
I will make a new video from my sessions tonight, so you can get a look at it in some decent size waves and some great summer surf.
About sizing:
After I saw Vitormundi's question on 8'7 vs 8'4, I picked some footage from a
"stability test" I filmed this summer between 6 Sunova's I ride.
I will finish the vid tonight.
Short answer: I reccomend the 8'7.
My 9'4 Creek is an entirerly different performance level than my 9'2 Speeed. Not even in the ballpark.
James Casey, #1 combined, 2016 World Tour Pro ordered one immediatly after he rode mine
I will post a detailed reply to your question tonight when I get home.
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The Creek is finally getting in the hands of some buyers.
I have gotten amazing feedback from some very good surfers who are riding serious waves on 7'10's. They love it, but are not active forum people.
Creeks are arriving in Australia as we speak, and I look forward to their feedback.
I will make a new video from my sessions tonight, so you can get a look at it in some decent size waves and some great summer surf.
About sizing:
After I saw Vitormundi's question on 8'7 vs 8'4, I picked some footage from a
"stability test" I filmed this summer between 6 Sunova's I ride.
I will finish the vid tonight.
Short answer: I reccomend the 8'7.
My 9'4 Creek is an entirerly different performance level than my 9'2 Speeed. Not even in the ballpark.
James Casey, #1 combined, 2016 World Tour Pro ordered one immediatly after he rode mine
I will post a detailed reply to your question tonight when I get home.
Thx. I look forward to your answer.
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Thanks Viator
I to am debating between a 84 and 87 Creek. I am a bit lighter at 70kg and currently ride a 810 Speeed and 810 Skate. I really enjoy both these boards. The Skate in choppy shore breaks and the Speeed when a bit cleaner. Starting to get to the nose of the Speeed. I havent seen much feedback on the Creek yet. Call out to anyone out there riding a Creek your experiences surfing this model would be much appreciated!
Cheers
Bob
I talked to Tiago Silva who runs the Mauka Lodge in Portugal. He has tested the Creek and had very positive comments about it. I respect his comments a lot, bought my Speeed after testing one in his lodge. Thats why I got interested in Creek. Apparently it has some Speeed features but more playful while riding in the middle.
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Hi guys, just chiming in because I am about to take delivery on an 8'7" Creek. I'm 85-90 kg wet (depending on wetsuit) and I've been riding a 7'10" L41 Popdart as my primary board. I was choosing between the Creek and the Flash and went with the Creek after Tino weighed in saying the Creek was better for all conditions while the Flash was best for good waves.
I'm getting the board primarily for windier conditions, overhead to DOH plus, and crowded days. Also as a one-board quiver for surf trips. I love my Popdart but my wave count has gone down a bit on days with less than perfect conditions. I'm super pumped to get out on the Creek and will come back with a ride report!
Cheers,
Alex
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Viatormundi:
When I designed the Creek, I had only one board in mind.... a high performance board that I could ride in full winter gear. I simply took parts from my other Sunova's and brought them together to make a bigger board that would still rip.
Never gave a thought about other sizes or how the stability would be on them.
I'm pretty sure I could easily be on an 8'10 in my "no wetsuit" months, since I had no issues with my 8'10 Speeed.
I have never had a chance to ride any Creek but my 9'4, so until I do, I have to use comparisons that I know.
My 9'2 Speeed vs 9'4 Creek, should be relative to the 8'5 Speeed vs 8'7 Creek.
The 9'4 Creek is noticeably more stable than the 9'2 Speeed... so you should be fine on the 8'7 Creek.
If you need stability, the Creek can be ridden larger and still deliver great performance.
As to going bigger, the 9'4 Creek gives me much higher performance than the 9'2 Speeed... and very different in many ways. As Tiago says, much more playful from the middle, plus more.
FRP:
It sounds like you want to push yourself a bit with a new board.
Some thoughts:
The 8'4 is 25 liters less than your Speeed.... and narrower
The 8'7 is 15 liters less and only 1/2" wider than the Speeed.
I think you would find the 8'10 Creek to be similar stability to your 8'10 Speeed... but maybe a tad less.
To be similar stability to your 8'10 Skate, you would have to go with the 9'1 Creek.
As I said above, you will be moving noticeably up in performance.
Having said that, at 70 kg, a conservative volume ratio of 1.5 puts you at 105 liters, which is the 8'4 Creek.
That is a BIG jump from where you are now.
Your decision... if you think you are ready to up your game and go for the 8'7, which should be very doable.
I hope to ride an 8'10 Creek this Wednesday... then I will have a really firm idea of how the sizes relate.
here's a video of a stability test I did in July.
It's long, but worth a look if you want to see the comps between
8'10 Flow
9'2 Speeed
9'2 Skate
9'4 Creek
9'4 Acid
I also tested the 9'5 Soul, which came in just a tad less stable than the 9'4 Creek. Not in vid to save time.
These tests are as candid as I can be... I simply react to each board as I stand up on it.
I never published this before, because everyone is different... and these tests only reflect my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uXKT0s580
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Thanks Creek
Your insight is much appreciated. The stability test was the first that I have seen and gives some visual comparators. I agree that the Skate is an incredibly stable design and yet maintains a high level of performance. At 70kgs I find the 810 Speeed quite stable and only notice the difference with the 810 Skate in very choppy water. I am not thinking of replacing either board, just expanding the quiver and pushing my boundaries. At 62 years I suspect a sensible choice would be the 87 Creek. Looking forward to some reviews that should be out soon.
Cheers
Bob
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@ Creek
If someone is considering a Sunova; with this video and your analysis from your comments, any person who is considering a Sunova, they'd have lots of knowledge to make purchasing decision if they can't demo any of the Sunova models you show cased in this video.
And as for the length of this video, I like long length videos where I can see lots of details in the video. In closing, an excellent video and I hope to see more "long" length videos from you in the future. :)
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Hey Creek,
Thank you for taking the time to make another really useful video of the Sunova boards that you have. You, Bert, Tino and the team have done a great job on the Creek and the proportions of the 9'4 look perfect and doesn't look like a 32" wide board. Looking forward to hearing more about the range.
Diolch!
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Thanks Creek,
The comparison along with the video on flat water really gives you a great perspective on the stability of the boards. As Night Wing said, this is particularly useful when you can't demo. Seeing you on the board gives us a weight, age, and experience perspective too that we can compare to ourselves.
This is a Sunova thread but it also very useful thread. If any of you have boards that are tough to demo and can compare make a video and throw it on the general forum. Its great to see!
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Thanks for the great feedback on the video, I am glad you found it helpful.
Creek NEWS:
To answer the question:
"What do others think of the Creek?"
Australian National Titles
James Casey 3rd place, Mens Open on his 7'7 Creek
Trafford (3rd person to own a Creek)
Placed 5 in the Over 40's on his 7'4 Creek!!!
James Casey, Sunova Team Rider and 2016 APP SUP Pro #1 in combined, has had his Creek 7'7 for a month.
It has a custom orange paint.... but is otherwise 100% stock Creek.
Pics of James surfing the Creek in the Finals
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Great to see those smaller sizes in the water! Creek, it must feel amazing to see those guys rip on your shape. So cool all around.
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Thanks for the great feedback on the video, I am glad you found it helpful.
Creek NEWS:
To answer the question:
"What do others think of the Creek?"
Australian National Titles
James Casey 3rd place, Mens Open on his 7'7 Creek
Trafford (3rd person to own a Creek)
Placed 5 in the Over 40's on his 7'4 Creek!!!
James Casey, Sunova Team Rider and 2016 APP SUP Pro #1 in combined, has had his Creek 7'7 for a month.
It has a custom orange paint.... but is otherwise 100% stock Creek.
Pics of James surfing the Creek in the Finals
Rick- No disrespect to your design chops, but I was a bit surprised that Casey wasn't on the Acid, or perhaps the Flash. Even if he might prefer the Creek as his daily driver, I would have expected him to be on a twitchier, higher-performance shape in a comp setting. Or were the waves too mushy on the day of the comp? It's hard to judge the conditions from the still photos, 'coz Casey is so busy chucking spray all over the place... ;-)
As somebody who has such a broad understanding of the entire Sunova line, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how the Creek compares to the Acid and/or the Flash, and why a competitor might prefer the Creek over these twitchier boards.
I know you compared the Acid to the Creek in your stability test earlier in this thread, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on parameters other than just simple stability while standing out the back.
TIA for any insight you're willing to share...
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Thanks for that question jsb.
I'll let Trafford respond to that, since he place 5th on his Creek.
He emailed me this reply when I asked how he liked his Creek.... he isn't really a forum person, so I asked if I could copy/paste his emails here.
"Hey Rick,
I thought you might like to know how the Sunova guys went in the Aussie titles.
I came 5th in the over 40's on my new (tweaked) 7'5 Creek and James Casey got 3rd in the Open on my old 7'7 stock Creek. He had come straight from Hawaii and hadn't qualified for the Aussie titles and all his boards were still in Hawaii. They gave him a wildcard and he only had an Acid and the Creek. He surfed the Creek the whole event and absolutely ripped on it. He was throwing buckets off his turns.
Marty Cole got 2nd (Speed) in the over 40's and Casso (who I knocked out in the over 40 quarters) got 4th in the open on his Flow. James also got 2nd in the technical race on his Faast.
I reckon you would be pretty stocked on how the Creeks went!!
Its a sick board man.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Traff"
Then he followed with this:
"Yeah mate. Re post away :)
I don't think I mentioned before but I swapped the board with Tino in KL on the way to the Mentawai's.
Rode the board in some pretty solid waves and she handled well.
Some waves were 12 ft faces with plenty of power and didn't have it skip out on my bottom turns (like my Acid ).
Unfortunately no photos. That's a whole nother storey.
Hopefully you've been getting some waves back home.
Cheers Traff"
Note:
Trafford got the 3rd Creek made and decided he wanted to go smaller (custom orange 7'7)
Tino exchanged it for the smaller 7'4 and gave 7'7 to James (who had asked for a 7'7 after riding my monster size 9'4)
Ok.... my take on my 9'4 Acid vs my 9'4 Creek:
as the vid shows, the Creek is much more stable, size for size than the Acid
However
9'4 Acid = 136 liters
9'4 Creek = 148 liters
So... the Acid is actually a much smaller board size for size.
My 9'4 Acid is snappier than my 9'4 Creek.
I love the Acid when I can ride it (fairly clean - no wetsuit)
A fair comp would be between:
9'1 Creek = 136 liters
9'4 Acid = 136 liters
From what I know about my Creek, I'd say the Speeed tail might give the edge to the Creek....
But I can't really know till I ride a smaller Creek.
So, I only have James and Trafford's story to go by.
ha ha ha..... I WILL go to extremes to understand the board I discuss, so....
Today (the travel day before Thanksgiving)
I drove 6 hours in torrential rains to demo paddle an 8'10 Creek. (in Rhode Island)
I couldn't wear a wetsuit because the 8'10 is only 125 lites and I was underwater in trunks.
After a 1'2 hour in wind, chop and rain..... and after plenty of falling down, I got 1 crap wave and climbed back over the rocks and gave the board back to Eastbound, who drove there just to let me demo his 8'10 before ice sets in.
Even underwater it has just enough nose and tail size to make it doable.
Nice day in summer? 8'10 would be fine.
Today? NOT. Only did it because I really had to experience the 8'10, so I would have a real live comparison to my 9'4
I'll add an entertaining video when I get one together.
Here's a few teaser pics
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Rick-
Thanks so much for the detailed post. Lot's of interesting information there, including:
1. Board shorts on Nov. 22 (in a near sleet storm): You either have the metabolism of a 20-year old, or you've confirmed, once again, how passionate you are about this sport. ;)
2. Trafford's observation that the Creek holds its rail on a hard bottom turn (off a 12' wave), while the Acid does not. I would have thought the more pulled-in tail on the Acid would have the edge in such conditions ... shows how little I understand board design.
3. Competitors were successful on the Creek, the Flow and the Speeed, but nobody rode an Acid. Despite the fact that he obviously has elite skillz, Casey elected to spend the whole comp on a Creek, rather than attempting the Acid for even a single heat.
The more I learn about the Sunova line, the more I realize that there are some subtle and counter-intuitive distinctions among the various shapes -- perhaps more so than across the product lines of some of the "windsurfing" manufacturers. Definitely interesting, as always, to hear your carefully considered opinions on these subtleties.
Have a great Turkey Day!
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Thx a lot for your answer. I will check if I can get a 8΄7 Creek.
Viatormundi:
When I designed the Creek, I had only one board in mind.... a high performance board that I could ride in full winter gear. I simply took parts from my other Sunova's and brought them together to make a bigger board that would still rip.
Never gave a thought about other sizes or how the stability would be on them.
I'm pretty sure I could easily be on an 8'10 in my "no wetsuit" months, since I had no issues with my 8'10 Speeed.
I have never had a chance to ride any Creek but my 9'4, so until I do, I have to use comparisons that I know.
My 9'2 Speeed vs 9'4 Creek, should be relative to the 8'5 Speeed vs 8'7 Creek.
The 9'4 Creek is noticeably more stable than the 9'2 Speeed... so you should be fine on the 8'7 Creek.
If you need stability, the Creek can be ridden larger and still deliver great performance.
As to going bigger, the 9'4 Creek gives me much higher performance than the 9'2 Speeed... and very different in many ways. As Tiago says, much more playful from the middle, plus more.
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Hi Rick,
Have you ever seen or ridden the 97 Creek?
Being that I am a special needs Stando when it comes to balance, I would love to hear your take on the 97. Its almost an inch wider than the 9'4' and my right in my target volume at 160 liters.
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Hi Steve
I have not seen a 9'7, but a guy in OZ ordered one, so I should get some feedback on that board soon.
My 9'4 performance continually amazes me for such a big board, so I am confident that the 9'7 will perform extremely well... and at 33" wide should be quite stable.... in a Sunova sort of way. I say that because the rails are performance foiled, so there is always a lively feel to the boards.
The boards sit lower in the water than most boards at the same volume, but they have a very forgiving feel after you adjust to Bert's "high performance" float.
It is not a "stability platform" like an allrounder, but it has more stability "tools" than most high performance boards.
It surfs well in all conditions.... I pretty much ride it all the time.
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STC,
On your 2nd video review of the Creek,
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,32049.0.html
there is a photo of your 9'4" showing 2 leash plugs. Is that standard?
Sunova wants an extra $150 to add a second plug. Am thinking of having 2 leash plugs, 5" apart, to attach a tail handle.
Any thoughts?
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I saw that (2 plugs) too. I asked Tino waiting for a response
Will advise as soon as I know
jimK
Extreme Windsurfing.com
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150 bucks?? They must really not want to do it. The plug is a couple of bucks and installing it when you're building a board is nothing. I routinely have 6 to 8 leash plugs installed on the nose of my downwind boards for carrying stuff, and then two more along the centerline to make a paddle handle. I doubt I've paid more than fifty fucks for the ten plugs, installed.
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I asked for two plugs on my original board and they put them in the 1st few boards.
All the new ones are single plug, I never asked why.
Sounds to me like they wanted to streamline the order process.
Might be a way to eliminate that option.