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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: blueplanetsurf on May 11, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
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Foiling opens up many new possibilities, including long rides on boat wakes and standing waves. I'm thinking you could even foil on a fast moving river by attaching a rope to a bridge or tree and using the current to lift the foil. I'm starting this thread with a video of foiling on a boat wake and hope to see more videos posted here.
On our recent Blue Planet SUP surfing team boat trip in the Mentawais, I asked Andrew the boat captain if he would tow me into the wake of the charter boat using my foil board. Whenever I'm on a boat I always look at the wakes and daydream about surfing on them. Andrew was game and after a few attempts and crashes, I finally got a good backside ride on the wake. I think with a little practice, it's possible to foil on a boat wake until your legs give out. This was truly a dream come true for me, how fitting that the Pelagic Surf Charter boats motto is "Live the dream". I used a Blue Planet 5'6 Ulua fish board with a Go Foil Maliko foil. Thank you captain Andrew!
https://youtu.be/BvB-iYHjqw4
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Here are a couple of other wake foiling videos I found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCgw96UZj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLulOrM7pOg
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Very cool. I used to do a fair amount of wakesurfing on my SUP in the Willamette before I moved to Hood River. I feel compelled to say, be careful about carbon monoxide if you do this. I had a potentially lethal exposure following a wakeboat. When you surf the wake you are a lot closer to the boat and it's exhaust bubbles up right where you're surfing. Skiers and wakeriders are rarely affected because it has time to dissipate, but surfing puts you much closer to the boat. Just something to watch. If your skin or lips turn red get medical help. Just getting out of the exhaust isn't enough. You need oxygen and care. My lips were bright red, like I had lipstick on.
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I imagine this type of foiling could also be done a tanker's ship's bow wave.
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PonoBill, I hear you about the carbon monoxide, I get queasy from the exhaust fumes.
another good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr_8h48_p2Y
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Just ordered the Slingshot Wakefoil. Water is getting warmer here in the Delta and I figured foiling behind the boat would be the best way to dial it in. We go out in the boat 3-4 times a week, splitting between waterskiing in the course and wakesurfing. Use to ride an air chair years ago. Once foiling clicks for me, I will modify a 7'4" L41 to mount the foil on. Then get that dialed in behind the boat and at some point hit the surf.
Hoping the learning curve is shorter than if I bought a gofoil, modified my board and waste perfectly good surfing time learning in the waves.
Watching the videos of Finn Spencer pushed me to pull the trigger.
PB, The exhaust systems on the new boats virtually eliminate what you experienced. Still have to be careful though. 5 years ago a young girl died in the slough around the corner from my house, when she was hanging onto the swim deck of the ski boat, and her parents didn't realize she had passed out and let go. That was a sad day for Discovery Bay.
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does wake surfing behind a 10ft dinghy count haha
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Hi Robert,
cool thread, thanks for starting.
How did you start your tow on that small board? Is it like wakesurfing, just apply heel pressure and pop up? Or does the foil make it more challenging? I'm thinking of putting a tuttle in one of my wakesurf boards.
I asked some local river folks about spots to try foiling, I wrote it off as being to sketchy for me as a begginer. There are tidal currents here in the bay that might work for bridge/pier surfing also...
Endless pool sounds interesting also.
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Hi Robert,
cool thread, thanks for starting.
How did you start your tow on that small board? Is it like wakesurfing, just apply heel pressure and pop up? Or does the foil make it more challenging? I'm thinking of putting a tuttle in one of my wakesurf boards.
I found that using a smaller board makes it easier to control the foil. It was tricky to get up on it, especially since it does not have straps. We were doing it similar to starting with a tow in surf board (I never tried wake boarding but think it's the same). The board is sideways in the water with the foil pointing towards the boat. I hold the rail with one hand to hold the board against my feet and the tow rope in the other hand, then knees very bent and chest touching the knees as the jet ski accelerates and then I turn the nose of the board towards the ski as I get pulled up. It's tricky at first but not that difficult after a few tries.
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L41's are particularly good boards to add foils to since they are at least partly Sims profile and flat. I went surfing at the Hatchery yesterday afternoon with Rod Parmenter. He was on my L41 with a big foil attached, I stuck to my 10'6" Foote. The current is just RIPPING, so it was challenging, wind was about 25 when we started and there were some pretty good sized swells. Not the usual mast high stuff, but solid chest to head stuff.
I really like the mounting system I used for the L41--it's two mast bases that a four-bolt plate connects to. I used long mast bases, so I have about five inches of adjustment front to back and it's easy to shim the base instead of a foil. Rod was got the board up quite a few times and got some brief rides. It's still early for him, so most rides ended in a splash, but he's making progress. I forget who made the foil but it's a big one--34" wide. Not quite as wide or thick as a gofoil but it's clearly going to work for Rod.
I was going to try it, but it was pointless yesterday--Rod was barely popping it up and I'm 50 pounds heavier than he is. I contented myself with falling in a lot, surfing the bigger swells. There were only two windsurfers out and they were struggling in the current and light wind, so I could just go for every wave I saw without watching traffic. I was wearing my ratty 2/3 short sleeve suit, so I got cold pretty quick, but I kept it up until I started shaking so hard I had a hard time holding on to my paddle. Too much fun. Surfing in a washing machine, but surfing. With that crazy current barely touching the nose down made the board disappear from under me, but I needed to run forward to get a drop, so most of my falls were faceplants with the board hitting the end of the leash about the time my face hit the icy water. I'm sure my nuts will return to their former place sometime today.
Great place for a power foil. I planned to test the Geezer foil this weekend, but this is Diane's birthday weekend so we're going to Whidby Island to some fancy-schmancy place. I'm bringing a board, but it will just be puttering. The things we do for love. I'm working on twin waterjets for the GF. Might be a useful steering method as well--assuming it doesn't just act like a big carbon fiber Rappalla and toss me on my ass.
Here's the foil Rod was using:
(http://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/lpfoil.jpeg)
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^ The 'north of Seattle' Whidbey Island? Is there a place so schmancy as to justify that drive? (That IS love.)
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Apparently.
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Hi Robert,
cool thread, thanks for starting.
How did you start your tow on that small board? Is it like wakesurfing, just apply heel pressure and pop up? Or does the foil make it more challenging? I'm thinking of putting a tuttle in one of my wakesurf boards.
I found that using a smaller board makes it easier to control the foil. It was tricky to get up on it, especially since it does not have straps. We were doing it similar to starting with a tow in surf board (I never tried wake boarding but think it's the same). The board is sideways in the water with the foil pointing towards the boat. I hold the rail with one hand to hold the board against my feet and the tow rope in the other hand, then knees very bent and chest touching the knees as the jet ski accelerates and then I turn the nose of the board towards the ski as I get pulled up. It's tricky at first but not that difficult after a few tries.
Thanks! Sounds similar to wakesurfing, except the boards are so small that usually we don't need to hold the rail with our hand as heel pressure is enough.
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Poor quality video but this guy is getting a super long ride on a boat wake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr-b0d65AXk
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Very cool. I used to do a fair amount of wakesurfing on my SUP in the Willamette before I moved to Hood River. I feel compelled to say, be careful about carbon monoxide if you do this. I had a potentially lethal exposure following a wakeboat.
The single reason why all motored water sports are total crap. Good as rescue craft - thats about it.
On the standing wave thing - you can get a long a ride as you want, foil or not.
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Poor quality video but this guy is getting a super long ride on a boat wake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr-b0d65AXk
do you think you could paddle into that?
I'm hoping so...
so my real question is what board would one need to be able to get up to foil speed for such a wake.
our future is so awesome!
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Winch foiling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyyMN5RzlTg
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From Kai Lenny's FB page:
What a blast it was doing Hydrofoil River surfing!
interestingly, it feels as though you're going so fast but when you look to both side of the river everything is stationary. Never felt that much speed in my life without actually moving forward! Can't wait to do more of it.
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shit quality, average wave, heaps of fun! definitely need to install foot straps and i think lose a little angle on the tail foil, I seem to be running alot of negative incidence compared to go foils etc
https://vimeo.com/221296723
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I really want to try this. What speed were you running the boat at?
I'm gonna try to not comment on the rope thing as I hate nervous nellys. You're a grown ass man, to quote Cedric the Entertainer.
Is this a home built foil?
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that was 7 - 8kts. a rope is ok as long as it stays slack! much easier to fall off the wave and pull yourself back on with the towline than to spend the whole day doing circles picking people up! yup full foam core/carbon home made job
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cracked it
https://vimeo.com/222051761
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Excellent!
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Very good ! What angles are you running in the wings
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So good man. This is something I'd hoped was possible. Looks like work to keep it on the wave but I'll bet it gets easier over time. Congrats
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cracked it
https://vimeo.com/222051761
Sweet!
I had a tuttle box put in my smallest shortboard, really stoked to try this behind the boat.
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Very good ! What angles are you running in the wings
the rear foil is about -1 degree or so and the front maybe +4 or 5 degrees, you dont need alot of angle with these big fat foils
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So good man. This is something I'd hoped was possible. Looks like work to keep it on the wave but I'll bet it gets easier over time. Congrats
its not so much trying to keep on the wave, theres plenty of power there its just super twitchy with all the disturbed water off the boat and it was no where near as calm as it looks, every other bloke and his dog was out on the water too
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another quick vid, not sure why the qualities gone bad ??
https://vimeo.com/222100292
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nice, looks like your foil is working well.
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wet sanding the whole thing with 320g (was an 80g finish!) and fairing in those shocking tail foil hinge bolts made all the difference, next step is fill in the serrations up the back of the mast and try anhedral instead of dihedral in the tail foil to stop it breaking the surface. stand by
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I would say it would be worth looking at the fairing between the front wing and the fuz. There was a good video some were on you tube on fairings on aircraft that would be worth a watch. I will see if I can find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxvoDbZpoY8
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thanks for that vid supuk, looks a bit better than what was there
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thanks for that vid supuk, looks a bit better than what was there
What are the dimensions of that front wing? Then what are the square inches? Rear wing?
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Unsure if this has been posted already:
https://youtu.be/_0_bnsVUuFM
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That is so excellent! People are so clever, not to mention skilled. Love the safety gear.
I might add a board leash as that is some quick water.
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Amazing, new twist on an old idea.
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I might add a board leash as that is some quick water
As discussed in another thread a waist leash with quick release might be the answer.Even a slow current can get you in trouble if you are tangled up.
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Unsure if this has been posted already:
https://youtu.be/_0_bnsVUuFM
Very cool, I was wondering if that would work, thanks for sharing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJGp0jTXMk
This set up has a 26 inch mast, 28 inch by 5 inch rear wing raised above the fuselog and a 22 inch by 5 inch wing in the front. Very interesting to try compared to the standard version with the big wings in front and small in the rear- it has potential!!
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Here is a new video from Australia of Nathan Cross and Skyla Rayner wake surfing on the Easy Foiler:
https://youtu.be/uUZGpAEOAvQ