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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Dice on April 24, 2017, 03:03:49 AM
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I'm a beginner to SUP and SUP surfing and am thinking about buying the 2011 Naish 9 Mana 140L. I weigh 175. Two questions, is this a good board for me to be starting out on and does this board have enough Volume for my weight?
Thanks for your responses.
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At 29.5" wide it could be a challenge but certainly not impossible. What boards have you paddled so far?
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+1 to BEAN
But what type of SUPing are you doing and intend to do?
jimK
Extreme Windsurfing
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This is my first SUP surfboard so I have not used any other boards. I fooled around on a couple of flat water boards last year in the Ocean just paddling around for about a week.
I will be spending July and August in the Outer Banks and will be SUP surfing everyday.
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IMHO
the Mana will work great in the powerful OBX surf (not so good in reg east coast surf) but what I would do is demo some boards when you are down there in both Flatwater/Chop/Surf then check back here for details
JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
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I will definitely demo boards and lots of them! I have a chance to pick up the 2011 Naish 9 Mana for $450.00. I was thinking that besides demoing boards, I should have a board of my own. I doubt I can use a demo board everyday and I will be at the beach for two months.
One of my questions about the this 9 Mana is whether as a beginner weighing 175 (80kg) whether the volume of 140 is enough. The current owner of the board says he weighs 140 but knows others that weigh up to 200lbs using this board.
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One of my questions about the this 9 Mana is whether as a beginner weighing 175 (80kg) whether the volume of 140 is enough. The current owner of the board says he weighs 140 but knows others that weigh up to 200lbs using this board.
I think it is fair to say the guys riding this board at 200 pounds are "not beginners".
I have to go to PT this morning but when I get back, I'll give you my thoughts later because it is going to be long post. BTW, look at my signature. My board is close to the board you like in length and it is the same at 140 liters. Now keep in mind I weigh (as of this morning) 147 pounds.
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Great price. I'd say it might be discouraging to have a board that's on the challenging side of stability, but I started with a board I could barely stand on, and I'm still doing it ten years later. It's going to depend a bit on how determined you are. At your weight, it's not going to be impossible by any means, just a bit more difficult. Go for it.
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Maybe. Are you good are surfing? Can you surf a longboard well?
The volume is great for your size. The only problem you have is that you don't get to use the board that much. I just went from a width of 28'' to 30.5 because it was just too difficult for me. I weigh around 175 too and got the 2016 mana 8'10. I have only had it for a week and its a little wobbly for me but still good for the most part and I am sure it will get better over the next few months. But I do live at the beach, surf several times a week, and have surfed for most of my life. If you are a beginner surfer I think you would be better off with a longboard style board or something 30+ in width, especially since you cannot surf everyday except for your 2 month vacation. But $450 is a great deal on a watertight board and my response depends on how well you surf...
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One of my questions about the this 9 Mana is whether as a beginner weighing 175 (80kg) whether the volume of 140 is enough. The current owner of the board says he weighs 140 but knows others that weigh up to 200lbs using this board.
Just keep in mind that at 175lbs (80kg) regardless of the board you stand on, you will always have about 80L displaced in the water. So at 140L you have plenty of volume in reserve. It's just a question of how the volume is distributed (the more widely distributed, generally the more stable. For instance, a 140L board with a round nose and full tail will be more stable than say a 140L board at the same length but pulled in nose and tail.
But, if you already have some surf background and have two months to play in the Outer Banks, at that price I'd say go for it, you can always demo/rent other boards out there (OBX) while you sort the Mana out.
Where are you located? If you are not too far away from AC (NJ) this weekend would be a great opportunity to demo some Sunova boards and possibly others, at Extreme.
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Thanks for all your guidance, really appreciate it. To be clear, I am a raw beginner and do not know how to surf. Sounds like this board might be a bit to aggressive for me.
Since I am starting basically with no experience what should be my length, width, volume guidelines be in looking for a board. I do plan on demoing all summer but would like to have a board of my own also. I'm figuring it makes sense to try to find something used as my first board.
Besides the fact that I will be living on the beach at the Outer Banks for two months and SUP surfing everyday, I live close to Virginia Beach so have access to get on the water four to five months out of the year.
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Thanks for all your guidance, really appreciate it. To be clear, I am a raw beginner and do not know how to surf. Sounds like this board might be a bit to aggressive for me.
Since I am starting basically with no experience what should be my length, width, volume guidelines be in looking for a board. I do plan on demoing all summer but would like to have a board of my own also. I'm figuring it makes sense to try to find something used as my first board.
Besides the fact that I will be living on the beach at the Outer Banks for two months and SUP surfing everyday, I live close to Virginia Beach so have access to get on the water four to five months out of the year.
With this in mind, I would recommend getting a used longboard and taking several surf lessons. Learn to surf and then consider paddleboarding down the line. Learning to surf will take a while...and add a paddleboard when you cant yet read waves, catch waves, etc is going to be very challenging for a beginner. I mean you can do it but I think ypu would have a much better time first learningto surf.
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+1 on what baldbull said. Learn to surf first. Know the etiquette. You are in my neck of the woods. Plenty of longboards for sale on CL and in the local shops. Then take a SUP lesson. I recommend Randy @ http://www.paddleboardvb.com/ if you are here in VA Beach. He puts in in flat water in Rudee Inlet to paddle around and can take you to the breaks outside of inlet to get on waves.
For the OBX, unless we get tropical action this summer, it's barely waist on good days and mostly small knee high the rest - unless you are closer to Hatteras which gets and maintains better swell. We've had long runs of flat spells each summer.
Although the Mana is a good price, it may not be ideal for you as a beginner.
For a board, I would look at something in the 11' range and 170+ in volume that is wide and stable. This board will allow you learn and progress while being easy to paddle in the bays/flatwater and also take it on smaller waves.
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Sound advice... There is this Tom Carroll 11x32.5 three fin for sale on CL here. Given all the feedback probably makes more sense for me, rather than the 9 mana.
I will also contact Randy @ paddleboard VB and get some lessons in before heading down to the OBX
As for my location in the OBX I'll be staying close to Oregon Inlet.
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Just to throw a wrench into the discussion. I just found a Naish 9'5 x31x4 3/4 on CL would this board still be to small? I think the volume is in the low 160's.
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@Dice
The Naish, in my opinion, is going to be difficult for a brand new sup person who has never sup surfed. Great board for a intermediate or experienced sup surfer, but not for a beginner (again, in my opinion).
I think Robert Stehlik, owner of Blue Planet, has some excellent advice for beginning sup surfers which is.......without any sup experience at all, consider a board closest to your physical weight. You weigh 175 pounds, the Naish board is 140 liters. Now lets do some math with regards to "balance" and how it translate to pounds and liters.
One (1) liter of water weighs 2.2 pounds of water. So 140 liters times 2.2 and that is equal to 308 pounds. This is the amount of weight needed to totally submerge the board under the water.
Divide 308 pounds by 2 and you get 154 pounds. Now, if board is 4" thick at it's thickest point (the sweet spot on the board), where the water line meets the rail, 2" of the rail will be under water and 2" of the rail will be above the rail. Since you weigh 175 pounds, you're going to have more rail under the water than above the water and this could make for a balance problem along with the 29.75" width of the board. A beginner shouldn't have much of a balance problem with 154 pounds on this Naish. But the fly in the ointment is the narrow 29.75" width.
And if you want to surf the Naish in colder water wearing a drysuit, a dry suit is going to add more weight which means with you wearing a dry suit, you weight should go up to 180 pounds (or more).
If you would keep an open mind (as a beginner) and look at a 9'5" or a 9'6" board at 30"-31" in width at 160 liters, I think this would a great surfing sup for a beginner and you will be able to flat water paddle it if you want. Which means it will be easier to master than a 8'10" at 140 liter board at your present 175 pound weight. Now lets take a look at what 160 liters means to you at 175 pounds.
Take 160 liters of volume times 2.2 pounds and you get 352 pounds which is the amount of weight to totally submerge this board under the water. Divide 352 pounds by 2 and you get 176 pounds. In my opinion, this would be a very good surfing sup for a beginner (and who has never surf supped) who weighs 175 pounds since half the rail will be under the water and the other half of the rail will be above the water which should be easy to stand and balance on.
The above is "food for thought".
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Oh boy...voodoo math ;D
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Thats the same board I started on and thankful I did. I had a surfing background. I weigh 150lbs and am now riding a 92L board if that gives you any type of indication.
Id say you want a board to be a challenge but if you want to use it for surfing and have a hard time even standing, Id say the frustration level will be too high. I could comfortably stand and paddle on my Mana 9.0 from the onset, yet catching waves was still a challenge.
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I like the enthusiasm but demo and try some out before you buy.
When you get to the OBX, hit up places like Duck Village Outfitters or Kitty Hawk kites for rentals. They'll rent out NSP, BIC boards (typical beater rental boards but are logs and you can learn on them). Head farther south to Avon and Ocean Air Sports rents out Fanatics and Hatteras Island Surf Shop has a variety of boards to rent as your skill level progresses.
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Oh boy...voodoo math ;D
It's only voodoo math if the math is untrue. Since the math is true, it isn't voodoo, it's pure technical math. ;)
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I also agree with others. Renting a few different boards is the best way to demo them and this will allow him to decide which one is the best one for him for what he wants to do with the board (sup surf) when it comes to spending his hard earned money.
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Thank you all for the great advice and education. I will definitely spend time demoing boards. I am also going ahead and purchasing the 2011 9'5" Naish mana since it is wider and fits the formula Night Wing outlined.
I am going to start taking lessons next week with Randy@ Rudee Inlet Stand Up Paddle. I spent a long time on the phone with him today. He thought the 9'5" Mana with it's width being 31.5 and volume 163 a good board to start with.
Once again thank you all for your feedback. I was just about to pull the trigger on the Naish 9 mana which would have been a huge mistake.
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Dice,
If that 9'5 Mana is in good shape I think it would be a great board for someone your weight to learn on. The 9'5 Mana is a very stable board and is fun to paddle in flat water or the surf. The board in the picture looks like a 2013 or earlier, but it also appears to be in good shape.
The 9'5 Mana is a good stable board to learn on, but it will also allow you to progress and get a good idea of what your next board should be. The smaller Mana would probably be a frustrating board for a beginner, and by the time you get ready for a smaller board you will have a much better idea of what you want in that smaller board.
Here's a link to STC's review of the 2014 9'5 Mana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6byoddAuAc
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Oh boy...voodoo math ;D
It's only voodoo math if the math is untrue. Since the math is true, it isn't voodoo, it's pure technical math. ;)
You're right about that and I've often said numbers don't lie. But in this case, I just don't buy in to the significance of dividing by 2. That's the voodoo (black box math) part. Having said that, I bet it does work a lot of the time, like many rules of thumb.
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Divide 308 pounds by 2 and you get 154 pounds. Now, if board is 4" thick at it's thickest point (the sweet spot on the board), where the water line meets the rail, 2" of the rail will be under water and 2" of the rail will be above the rail.
I hate it when I type a long post and just get one word wrong in the wrong place.
The quote should have read:
Divide 308 pounds by 2 and you get 154 pounds. Now, if board is 4" thick at it's thickest point (the sweet spot on the board), where the water line meets the rail, 2" of the rail will be under water and 2" of the rail will be above the...........WATER.
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@Dice
The formula I used for you was the exact same one I used for myself when I wanted to purchase my surfing sup. Like you, I was a newbie/novice. At the time, a production made Hammer was (and still is to this day) 8'11"x31"x4.4" @ 148 liters.
I weighed 145 pounds so I needed to get the 148 liters down to 140 liters to get closer to my physical weight. After talking with WarDog, (owner of SUP Sports), he suggested thinning out the rails and making the thickest part of the rail 4" in thickness instead of 4.4" and these two items allowed me to get down to 140 liters of volume. This is why my Hammer (8'11"x31"x4" @ 140 liters) is lower in volume than a standard production made Hammer.
Since hindsight is always 20/20, this was a very good decision on my part. BTW, I consider myself half way between a novice and an intermediate in skill level.
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You're right about that and I've often said numbers don't lie. But in this case, I just don't buy in to the significance of dividing by 2. That's the voodoo (black box math) part. Having said that, I bet it does work a lot of the time, like many rules of thumb.
You're a tough sell. ;)
When you divide by 2, the water line on the rail basically "tells the tale". You must realize this forumula is for a "beginner" (not for an intermediate or advanced) who has never supped before and this formula works well for a beginner. And it worked for me too because at that time a year ago in June of 2016 when I was looking for a surfing sup, I was also a beginner.
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Dice, I have a suggestion that might surprise you. Go to Cosco and buy a 9'6 WaveStorm SUP. Look on Craig's List too. WaveStorm SUPs are cheap, indestructible, extremely stable and safe to learn on. The surprising thing is that they surf pretty good. When you progress to the point that you want a higher performance board, you can keep the WaveStorm as a board to let your friends try.
I've been SUP surfing for a number of years and I still ride my WaveStorm when it's super crowded here.
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Thank you all for the great advice and education. I will definitely spend time demoing boards. I am also going ahead and purchasing the 2011 9'5" Naish mana since it is wider and fits the formula Night Wing outlined.
I am going to start taking lessons next week with Randy@ Rudee Inlet Stand Up Paddle. I spent a long time on the phone with him today. He thought the 9'5" Mana with it's width being 31.5 and volume 163 a good board to start with.
Once again thank you all for your feedback. I was just about to pull the trigger on the Naish 9 mana which would have been a huge mistake.
You will be fine with 9'5 Mana. It's night and day bigger and more volume than the 9'. It's kinda crazy big volume for a 9'5.....
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I am going to start taking lessons next week with Randy@ Rudee Inlet Stand Up Paddle. I spent a long time on the phone with him today. He thought the 9'5" Mana with it's width being 31.5 and volume 163 a good board to start with.
Woohoo! Glad to hear you talked to Randy and will be getting some lessons from him. Good guy and setup!
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Dice,
I think that SUPTHECREEK (Rik Weeks) is in the VB area with a van full of Sunova's I wouldn't pull thetrigger until you try the
ONE 9'5 an amazing board you won't grow out of...REALLY
You can PM creek here on the Zone or give me a call and I'll give you his Tel number
jimK
Extreme Windsurfing