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Stand Up Paddle => Downwind and Racing => Topic started by: FloridaWindSUP on March 22, 2017, 06:28:38 AM
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The coach of my sup training group has arranged for Michael Booth to give us a Skype sup clinic. To get the most out of it I want to make sure I have some good questions to ask the pro.
What would you ask him?
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Hi!!! Which paddle length does he use for flatwater and downwinders, and if he changes it when he skips from allstar to the lower deck of the Ace
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The coach of my sup training group has arranged for Michael Booth to give us a Skype sup clinic. To get the most out of it I want to make sure I have some good questions to ask the pro.
What would you ask him?
1) Whether he has ever been tested in a lab ?
2) What is his Vo2 max if he knows it.
3) Does he train with a structure ?
4) Does he perform strength training and what are his thoughts on it ?
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How does he set cadence.
Does he focus on catch?
Is he working to match cadence to speed?
Has his paddle size changed in the last few years? If so, how?
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If his sponsors would make him any board he'd like, what width does he think would be optimal for him and why?
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In addition to all the great questions above, I would add:
Who's the hottest chick in SUP today?
What does your SUP vehicle look like?
What impact has the US presidential election had on you?
What is your favorite epoxy?
What advice can you give to an aspiring 55 year old paddler with bad shoulders?
Ever ride on a surf mat?
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What's it like to paddle upside down?
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Bad people. But funny.
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If they were really bad people, they'd ask, "One leash attachment or two?"
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Bad person.
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would you line up in a race with this guy, I would say yes if he was 100 years old and I'm in my 20s :)
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The coach of my sup training group has arranged for Michael Booth to give us a Skype sup clinic. To get the most out of it I want to make sure I have some good questions to ask the pro.
What would you ask him?
1) Whether he has ever been tested in a lab ?
2) What is his Vo2 max if he knows it.
3) Does he train with a structure ?
4) Does he perform strength training and what are his thoughts on it ?
"I try to train either on the SUP or on the Ski most weekdays. Ski and SUP both use a lot of the same muscle groups and I believe training on both crafts help to prevent injury and keep my mind fresh. To go into more detail I find SUP is a more total body activity whereas ski mostly focuses almost solely on the upper body. The targeted muscle groups such as the lats, biceps and core are very similar in both sports. I'm in the gym and run a couple times a week. I believe gym helps with total body strength and developing my anaerobic system. Running on the other hand helps with my aerobic capacity and conditioning. I believe that I have worked out exactly what my body needs to perform and have the perfect program for me!"
http://www.supconnect.com/sup-profiles-stand-up-paddle-board-industry/10-questions-with-aussie-sup-race-dark-horse-michael-booth
For distance and flat he should be tough competition for sure.
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Boothy is a very accomplished paddler and he also does stuff like this -
"However, paddling is a full body exercise using a lot of core strength, legs and upper body all in synthesis. Therefore, I believe it is important to work all the major muscle groups. My favorites are lat pull downs, bench pull, bench press, bicep curl, leg press, chin-ups and assorted core exercises (holds and twisting activities.)"
"When I’m doing a large amount of paddling I prefer using heavier weights with lower reps – there’s only so much cardio you can do!"
https://www.atlanticpaddler.com/kayak-training/kayak-strength-training-part-2-michael-booth/
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Those links give lots of answers. I might be preacheching 70s science per ukgm, but in the ballpark i am right ;)
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^preaching^ correction 8)
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Those links give lots of answers. I might be preacheching 70s science per ukgm, but in the ballpark i am right ;)
I wonder just how much endurance training load (or hours) he does paddling.
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Those links give lots of answers. I might be preacheching 70s science per ukgm, but in the ballpark i am right ;)
I wonder just how much endurance training load (or hours) he does paddling.
It's not the hours you put in, it's what you put into the hours ;)
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Not as muscled up as Boothy for a lightweight very lean rider 140-160 lbs -> but has plenty with very low body fat mass. Any of the top pros have about the same BF% ie very low probs top 3% and def below the -2SD line. This is key with adequate muscle mass then endurance. Light weight muscled up with endurance balance technique skill willpower etc is hard to beat. Boothy and Travis etc can get it done at higher BW but they also have very low fat mass ie. very good strength to weight -> and very good power to weight ratios. Kai is so busy with other watersports but still has time to go to the gym plus do HIIE like any top elite endurance athlete. Oh here is pic of small and skinny Kai. ;)
"For me, training is really fun, as my gym is the entire island of Maui. I work out in a physical gym three times a week and also on the beach doing runs in soft sand along with other exercises during the run. I also spend so much time on the water surfing, windsurfing, kitesurfing, standup paddling, canoe surfing—you name it."
"The workout is awesome because you use the natural terrain to torture yourself—tree limbs for pull ups, soft sand hills for sprints, deep sand for running, and waist-deep water for sprints when you really want to push."
http://www.grindtv.com/wellness/world-champion-paddleboarder-kai-lenny-shares-his-fitness-routine/#DLcVl814sPWEK84e.97
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Of course big wave surfer dude Laird has no reason to hit the gym either with the small amount of actual SUP he does now being on the foil now. ;D
https://youtu.be/s3sMjz6dtX0
https://youtu.be/8wOT-z3x2MQ
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It's not the hours you put in, it's what you put into the hours ;)
^ +1. When I used to play basketball it was always "perfect practice makes perfect."
Oscar's clinic is heavily focused the importance of breaking down the stroke and drilling. Oscar does a ton of it.
I'd ask Boothie how much time he spends drilling. And the value of it to us mere mortals.
I'd also ask him how he stays flexible. Probably some type of active stretching. He'd be a monster on a yoga mat with those arms.
Cool to see someone that muscular and still flexible. Danny Ching is built like that and great in a boat too.
My massage girl is a big fan of long, flexible muscle fiber. "They work better and have balanced, coordinated strength, and usually more strength and endurance than the glamorous bulky muscles. When powerlifters get hurt, they are very difficult to massage, because the surface muscles contract prematurely. It's difficult to get deep where the real problems are."
From the wayback machine: He's undoubtedly a star on the yoga mat. I remember watching this routine in the Olympics. The announcer said, "That strength move has never been done, nobody does that."
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/wei416.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/wei416.jpg.html)
Then there's Pat Dolan, formerly of Oahu. He missed Olympic qualification by a whisker. Another flexible, heavily muscled beast. Last I heard he was a coaching pro with Epic in San Diego. He's 6-4.
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/kayak1.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/kayak1.jpg.html)
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Those links give lots of answers. I might be preacheching 70s science per ukgm, but in the ballpark i am right ;)
I wonder just how much endurance training load (or hours) he does paddling.
It's not the hours you put in, it's what you put into the hours ;)
That's why I used the expression 'training load'.
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Those links give lots of answers. I might be preacheching 70s science per ukgm, but in the ballpark i am right ;)
I wonder just how much endurance training load (or hours) he does paddling.
It's not the hours you put in, it's what you put into the hours ;)
I think it is somewhat irrelevant. You have to adapt your training to your body-goals-lifestyle. What Booth does - might just kill you. We are genetically different. I think as long as you progress in your training, you are on the right path. And being at 8-10% body fat would help a lot (well given you can keep your muscle). :)
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What does he REALLY think about the shitshow.
He does look a touch steroid. Hope it is natural.
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What Kai is talking about is Dave Kalama's workout. I did these videos and this website with Dave, Sonni Honsheid, and Chris P. (not going to try) a couple million years ago. a few of the videos don't work anymore, but most do: http://www.watermanworkout.com/
That was fun to shoot, but I did the workout once with Dave and his cousin Junya, and spent the next six days sleeping on the couch with massive ab and general core cramps. I couldn't lay down to get a massage.
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"I did the workout once with Dave and his cousin Junya, and spent the next six days sleeping on the couch with massive ab and general core cramps. I couldn't lay down to get a massage."
Haha! Ab workouts are the best. Burn baby burn! Is the last set I do and despise them yet love them at the same time. Sadistic yes very.
All the stuff these guys do is perfect for SUP. They are the pros and on top and stay on top for good reason. Strength trained to the max with no bs. Hardcore the way it should be. Perfect.
Average joes are just average joes. These guys get results. ;D
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This conversation has got a very '80s feel about it ;)
https://youtu.be/s7DqwRKqyMk
Don't spend too much time stroking your biceps in the mirror, guys :)
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Not as muscled up as Boothy for a lightweight very lean rider 140-160 lbs -> but has plenty with very low body fat mass. Any of the top pros have about the same BF% ie very low probs top 3% and def below the -2SD line. This is key with adequate muscle mass then endurance. Light weight muscled up with endurance balance technique skill willpower etc is hard to beat. Boothy and Travis etc can get it done at higher BW but they also have very low fat mass ie. very good strength to weight -> and very good power to weight ratios. Kai is so busy with other watersports but still has time to go to the gym plus do HIIE like any top elite endurance athlete. Oh here is pic of small and skinny Kai. ;)
"For me, training is really fun, as my gym is the entire island of Maui. I work out in a physical gym three times a week and also on the beach doing runs in soft sand along with other exercises during the run. I also spend so much time on the water surfing, windsurfing, kitesurfing, standup paddling, canoe surfing—you name it."
"The workout is awesome because you use the natural terrain to torture yourself—tree limbs for pull ups, soft sand hills for sprints, deep sand for running, and waist-deep water for sprints when you really want to push."
http://www.grindtv.com/wellness/world-champion-paddleboarder-kai-lenny-shares-his-fitness-routine/#DLcVl814sPWEK84e.97
I doubt that's 3%. Even a tour cyclist or bodybuilder can't maintain that long for safety reasons. It's probably around 5. Impressive though. One thing I would suggest us the diversity of sup athlete background being what it is, I wouldn't read too much into what everyone does until you get another 5-10 years worth of natural selection and a fresh generation of paddlers.
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Yeah by top 3% or -2SD that represents btwn 8-18% BF Z-score DEXA. Any top elite athlete is around there. Even average joes can get there if they want. As gzasinets notes the diff is keeping and building muscle mass. That is very hard to do in your 50s 60s 70s. Top juiced BB are around 3-5% BF on stage which is super dangerous and unhealthy.
To us dropping fat is all about health. Being 25 lbs overfat was just very unhealthy as it can promote inflammation and a slew of other hormonal problems. Especially visceral fat. Focus on improving blood markers was primary and fundamental. You can be skinny fat and be extremely unhealthy.
Bottom line is that in mid age you can drop fat mass and can put on muscle mass if you know how and really want to. Took me 3 yrs to figure out how to do it. But putting on muscle strength and power has been a major challenge. The most I can put on is about a kg per year. But as long as you are improving -> you are not losing. Laird knows. ;)
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Without going too far OT -> this trend is not good. Hmmm? Very scary.
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You do realize that the chart is from 12 years ago. Surely since then, with all of the government sponsored programs like Play 60 and Let's Move, that trend is reversing, right?
Sorry, wrong thread...
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Surely. Govt always knows best. ;D
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Right on Eagle!
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(http://ebook.ecog-obesity.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/prevalence-and-trends-across-the-world-2.png)
You mean something like this??
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Wonder if the obesity rates started to decline or is the definition of "obese" changed?
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Fat chance that would happen...
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It did what you would expect any upward trend to do--flatten out and perhaps decline. Doesn't really require some magical solution--just math. Regression to the mean aided by more people aware of the problem and slapping those 64 ounce soft drinks out of their kids hands.
You are right to be suspicious though. The definition of overweight for kids is more variable than adults, for adults it's consistently BMI, while for kids there are height-weight and age-weight measures. The definition is consistent for the curve though. If the curve didn't flatten it would mean everyone is fat, and that doesn't happen.
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It could just be that around 2000 there were no longer any people involved with the chart that could do the math to update it.
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Wonder if the obesity rates started to decline or is the definition of "obese" changed?
Actually I do remember reading about the BMI index, and how there was some debate at the outset about where the various categories (obese, etc.) should fall relative to a person's score. Some people believed it was too strict--that it was suddenly classifying millions of "normal" people as overweight, overweight as "obese", etc.
I doubt that's what's happening with the chart (that they'd change a definition in mid-stream) but the BMI is a dumb system, and treats tall and/or muscular people badly. It's also ironic that while on the one hand society is working to reduce "body shaming", reduce people's (especially females') obsessions with diet and weight, etc. it's also doing things (using the BMI to tell tall people they're fat, sending "your child has a high BMI so is fat" notes home from school, etc.) directly the opposite.
I'd guess Michael Booth is a fatso based on his BMI, as are most professional athletes.
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BMI is individually useless, but as a population measure, it's useful and relevant. Unless perhaps we're all becoming taller and more muscular.
On my long trip across the country in 2007 it was easy to see how fatness varies state to state. In Michigan, I'm a skinny guy. And there's the Maui hotness measure that Chan told me about years ago--On Maui a male 10 is a 4 with a job.
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BMI is individually useless, but as a population measure, it's useful and relevant. Unless perhaps we're all becoming taller and more muscular.
Yeah, you may laugh, but I've talked to dozens or even hundreds of people with above-"normal" or increasing BMIs, and virtually every one of them will tell you it's because they've been increasing their height or percentage of muscle.
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And they are all above average.
It's actually true in a Swedish study of such opinions, 93% of American drivers rate themselves as being above average. 69% of Swedish drivers do, which many Americans would interpret as meaning Americans are better drivers than the Swedes.
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BMI is individually useless, but as a population measure, it's useful and relevant. Unless perhaps we're all becoming taller and more muscular.
On my long trip across the country in 2007 it was easy to see how fatness varies state to state. In Michigan, I'm a skinny guy. And there's the Maui hotness measure that Chan told me about years ago--On Maui a male 10 is a 4 with a job.
The bmi was actually a statistical concept created back in the late 1800's and was never interned to be applied as western civilisation has done. Blame your governments for that one.
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It's functional as a measure of what a population is doing since it can be self-reported. All the more precise measures require either equipment people are unlikely to have access to or techniques that are too complex or error-prone.
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"BMI (body mass index), which is based on the height and weight of a person, is an inaccurate measure of body fat content and does not take into account muscle mass, bone density, overall body composition"
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215.php
"Modern medicine tells us -> It's not the weight in kgs that you should be most worried about -> rather your fat percentage. Because fat is the real problem. The higher the BF% a person is the more at risk they are for health problems like heart disease - T2D - and high blood pressure."
https://youtu.be/eruvEtCbP2M
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From BRFSS data and WBI survey.
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"On average, males over-reported their height by 1 cm, and females, by 0.5 cm. Females under-reported their weight by an average of 2.5 kg; males, by 1.8 kg. Reporting bias in weight was strongly associated with measured BMI category. Under-reporting of weight was high among people who were overweight, and particularly high among those who were obese, compared with people of normal weight. When based on measured rather than on self-reported values, the prevalence of obesity was 9 percentage points higher among males and 6 points higher among females."
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-x/2008002/article/5002558-eng.htm
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How about: How long (days?) do you rest before a certain length race length? 10k, 20k, ect.
What's your nutrition plan look like when you are doing a lot of traveling during race season and not at home for long stretches of time?
Do you train by yourself or with others?
You do multiple disciplines so what percentages of your training volume goes towards each both during a particular sports season and off?
What's the longest you've gone without any training (due to travel) and immediately raced? How did it go?
Do you use supplements and if so what? And why or why not?
Try to pick some that you either want to know for your own curiosity or would be too in depth for the average public interview.
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It's functional as a measure of what a population is doing since it can be self-reported. All the more precise measures require either equipment people are unlikely to have access to or techniques that are too complex or error-prone.
It's functional as a reported change in total mass, not a change in actual health. If a percentage of people conducted more load bearing exercise, that would contribute negatively to an obesity crisis using bmi !
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No doubt of that UK. But they don't. I know for myself when I get into shape, lose some of the gut, go down a few pants sizes and start almost seeing my abs, my BMI either stays the same or goes up--so its individually useless. But as porky as I generally am, my doctors always comment that I'm the healthiest, fittest patient they have over 60. I don't take that as any kind of compliment, I consider it a sad reality and a low bar.
In most of the general population studies I've scanned, the researchers are quick to defend BMI as a statistical tool. Studies of the same populations using more accurate and useful measures like fat percentage generally yield similar results, well within a standard deviation according to the usual defense. And as with other grossly outdated population measures--like the MMPI for personality testing, or Standford-Benet for IQ, the value of the measure is, in part, simply that it has been used for so long and therefore provides relatability without the potential inaccuracy or bias of conversion.
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Just one for the pedants, in passing: I think you maybe are trying to refer to the Stanford-Binet intelligence scale? Named after Alfred Binet, the pioneer French psychologist who invented the tests, and Stanford University, where they were adapted and developed for wider use.
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Look the idiots misspelled moran! ;D
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The coach of my sup training group has arranged for Michael Booth to give us a Skype sup clinic. To get the most out of it I want to make sure I have some good questions to ask the pro.
What would you ask him?
I'd just send him the link to this whole discussion and let him pick.
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I'm sure if you did, he'd sign up for sure...
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No doubt of that UK. But they don't. I know for myself when I get into shape, lose some of the gut, go down a few pants sizes and start almost seeing my abs, my BMI either stays the same or goes up--so its individually useless. But as porky as I generally am, my doctors always comment that I'm the healthiest, fittest patient they have over 60. I don't take that as any kind of compliment, I consider it a sad reality and a low bar.
In most of the general population studies I've scanned, the researchers are quick to defend BMI as a statistical tool. Studies of the same populations using more accurate and useful measures like fat percentage generally yield similar results, well within a standard deviation according to the usual defense. And as with other grossly outdated population measures--like the MMPI for personality testing, or Standford-Benet for IQ, the value of the measure is, in part, simply that it has been used for so long and therefore provides relatability without the potential inaccuracy or bias of conversion.
For those interested, here is a useful academic primer on the subject of the BMI and its limitations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2065990/
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Well, we had the Michael Booth Skype clinic yesterday and it was really good. Surprising that such a young guy was so well-spoken, knowledgeable and helpful with all our questions about training, equipment, race strategies, etc. Highly recommended.