Standup Zone Forum
Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Zooport on December 16, 2016, 02:47:53 PM
-
Was poking around on Amazon and found this SUPreme wetsuit for $39. Don't know why it is so cheap, but I'm letting my wife buy it for me for Christmas. Only one Amazon review and it was not all that positive, so I'm a little unsure; gotta be a reason it's so cheap. Maybe selling off returned items? If it sucks, I'll use the Amazon 30 day return policy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BN7CSJU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 What do you think?
-
.
-
I poked around the net ... 2013 model. But for $38, heck of a good deal.
-
Decided I'd buy a second one for that price and now it's up to $127. Confusing. I wonder if my super steal will actually be shipped to me.
-
Funny, prices vary from 39$ to 181$ depending on the size.
-
Radical price fluctuations happen all the time on Amazon. It's like a roulette wheel. Sometimes you win. I've gotten incredible deals on stuff.
People have gotten brand new boards for just a few hundred bucks.
-
Unfortunately my experience with SUPreme is not good.
Bought few of their items (gloves, shoes, shirt) and each and every time
I was disappointed. All pieces were poorly made stuff that did not last long.
Some showed fraying issues from the get go ( the gloves) and was replaced twice
Before returned for refund. Shoes got holes in them after short use.
I would not associate a present from my wife with this brand. You get what you pay for and it is not a bargain IMO!
-
On the other hand, JimK swears by those wetsuits, which carries a lot of weight with me. So, I hope you have success with yours Zoo. One point Jim always drives home is that it is really the only wet suit specifically tailored for stand up, especially in the arms. I keep gravitating to ONeil because their sizing works for me and I'm to lazy to try anything on.
-
On the other hand, JimK swears by those wetsuits, which carries a lot of weight with me. So, I hope you have success with yours Zoo. One point Jim always drives home is that it is really the only wet suit specifically tailored for stand up, especially in the arms. I keep gravitating to ONeil because their sizing works for me and I'm to lazy to try anything on.
I wanted to buy their wetsuit as well but never did after all their other product failed.
So never had it and wish Zooport good luck with it. Reading the review on Amazon, however,
it looks like that reviewer suffered the same issues as I did.
On the bright side, it's Amazon Prime so if you see sign of trouble with this product, full refund
and no shipping cost whatsoever so easy enough to try.
Happy Holiday!
-
I can't speak to their other products, but I'm going into paddling my third NE Winter with the 4/3/2 SUPreme suit and its holding up great. Warm and no issues so far.
Just sayin'
Will
-
Even cheaper?? At Amazon checkout, I noticed a $20 off coupon was available, applied it and my total cost for the wetsuit turned out to $19.57 It's going to have to be pretty bad not to be worth that. I don't understand what the deal is here. Now the price is back up to $127. Really confusing. I either scored big time, or I'm a sucker; I'll know on Tuesday.
-
There have been times when I've found a really good deal on Amazon, then went back a few minutes later to look for it and the deal was gone. They had plenty of whatever it was in stock, but now it was at a much higher price than before.
I've since learned that when I find a good deal on Amazon, I bookmark it and that will save the deal for me. I've tested this by opening another window and searching for the deal and it would be gone, but I had it captured in bookmarks. I don't know if this works all the time, but it did for me a few times. I've been able to take as much time as I want to decide on the purchase and as long as they had it in stock, I still got the deal.
I think the prices on Amazon just randomly fluctuate and if you are lucky they will occasionally go really low when you happen to be shopping. That's when you have to grab it. It's probably good for business to have people talking about all the great deals they get there. I think Amazon controls the prices. That's my theory anyway.
-
At $19, even if turns out to be bad, just ask replacement under warranty and sell it as new.
You can turn profit on it towards another suit. Hopefully it's works great for you and you don't
have to deal with BS.
-
At $19, even if turns out to be bad, just ask replacement under warranty and sell it as new.
You can turn profit on it towards another suit. Hopefully it's works great for you and you don't
have to deal with BS.
Good idea, burchas. That's what I'll do if it sucks.
-
There have been times when I've found a really good deal on Amazon, then went back a few minutes later to look for it and the deal was gone. They had plenty of whatever it was in stock, but now it was at a much higher price than before.
I've since learned that when I find a good deal on Amazon, I bookmark it and that will save the deal for me. I've tested this by opening another window and searching for the deal and it would be gone, but I had it captured in bookmarks. I don't know if this works all the time, but it did for me a few times. I've been able to take as much time as I want to decide on the purchase and as long as they had it in stock, I still got the deal.
I think the prices on Amazon just randomly fluctuate and if you are lucky they will occasionally go really low when you happen to be shopping. That's when you have to grab it. It's probably good for business to have people talking about all the great deals they get there. I think Amazon controls the prices. That's my theory anyway.
Thanks Badger. I'm going to try the bookmark thing.
-
I've got the same suit but LS and like it. I think it'd still be a good deal at 3x what you paid for it. I've had good experiences with SUPreme stuff--granted I'm fortunate enough to not really need it all that much so my opinion on durability probably isn't as informed as burchas.
-
SUPreme suits for that price has GOT TO BE AN AMAZING DEAL So far below my cost I'd buy a bunch
The ONLY drawback to the SUPreme line is they don't offer a SUPER WARM winter suit If they would just tape and Glue the seams of the 4/3 they have that would do it for me. But the again they are part of a wetsuit group that has Hyperflex which makes a ton of GREAT SUPER WARM SUITS For SUPing the AMP WIND is perfect for winter
OH yeah SUPreme makes wetsuits NOT Suits of Armor Like everyone else's they do wear out With care they will last 5yrs IMHO
Go get'm guys GREAT DEAL
JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
-
My guess is that pricing at Amazon is not set by humans (other than initially) but rather algorithmically. Anything that's sitting too long gets reduced until it sells, and the price for replacement inventory rises. I suspect they constantly seek a price that turns inventory at some optimal rate. You can sometimes catch it at the low point of the swing, but not often. Inventory sitting on a shelf is the most expensive thing in retail (other than lawsuits). A taxable asset that takes space and consumes cash. Has to go.
-
My guess is that pricing at Amazon is not set by humans (other than initially) but rather algorithmically. Anything that's sitting too long gets reduced until it sells, and the price for replacement inventory rises. I suspect they constantly seek a price that turns inventory at some optimal rate. You can sometimes catch it at the low point of the swing, but not often. Inventory sitting on a shelf is the most expensive thing in retail (other than lawsuits). A taxable asset that takes space and consumes cash. Has to go.
Ahh yes, I think that explains the pricing anomaly. The suits had been sitting there with just a single two star review and people were not buying them and the price went down bit by bit over the months. My buying it tripped an algorithm that reset the price back up to $127. I'll report on the condition when it arrives.
-
It seems like the price changes all the time. I went on Amazon to look and it listed the 3-2mm for $45.63.
I don't really need another suit right now, but for 45 bucks and free shipping I thought why not.
I ordered it and got the price. Then a few minutes later I checked and the same suit was $212.
-
I love my 4/3/2. Buy a bunch
-
It seems like the price changes all the time. I went on Amazon to look and it listed the 3-2mm for $45.63.
I don't really need another suit right now, but for 45 bucks and free shipping I thought why not.
I ordered it and got the price. Then a few minutes later I checked and the same suit was $212.
I had something similar happen on the Patagonia site a couple nights ago. Looking for a new jacket, I was mildly interested in a hooded R3 at $254 (I went back to look at it more than a couple of times without buying). Next day boom, price jumped to $379, as if to say, you blew it!
So, is the Patagonia site training my buying habits, or did they simply sell a bunch of R3's in my size overnight and the price automatically recalibrated as PB suggested? How does interest, expressed in searches on specific items, factor in the pricing of that item?
-
I was thinking about this just this morning. I'm reading the new book by Michael Lewis and the two sources merge into a sort of epiphany. What's the price of something that isn't selling? As long as it's not selling, there is no price. Price is like Schrodinger's cat it's state doesn't exist until it's observed. It's not just unknown, it's unknowable. Until it's sold, then bam, there's a price.
Amazon has a huge amount of data about a lot of things, but for something that isn't selling, like a particular size of wetsuit, it is lacking the most important data. The question "what can we sell this for?" doesn't have an answer until someone buys. So if you were going to optimize price and avoid expensive dead inventory, you have to bounce the price around. Drop it low--sell one, instantly raise the price and see what happens.
Amazon is not like the retail businesses they disrupted. They "know" (in a data sense) where every bit of product is, how much space it takes, what they paid for it and every other parameter that can be directly measured or calculated about the product and the customers. And they know it in semi-real time. Profit is a constant negotiation between manufacturer, Amazon, and customers.
I was wondering this morning why it is that businesses everywhere were in a state that they could be disrupted. How did all these businesses get so broken, and why didn't they fix themselves. And then I realized that the ability to use data like this is very new, and most people don't even think of it. Admin, Chan and I tried to build a forum/magazine a couple of years ago that would address all the challenges and opportunities of doing business online, and how to use advanced tools to better position business. No interest. The people who understand this stuff have no reason to share, and the people who don't are clueless speed bumps.
Disruption is inevitable, and it will happen in every business. It's just starting.
-
Knowing what the consumer needs and is willing to spend on a specific item right now resolves a lot of the traditional issues in retail sales. But ultimately, knowing (or accurately predicting) what the consumer will need, and what they might be willing to spend on a specific item in the future, is where big data analytics will become very interesting.
-
The wetsuit arrived today and it's great. New, still sealed in plastic. Folded, which I don't like. The construction seems fine, all seams and stitching appear to be fine. It's super soft and spongy. Have no idea if it will be warm enough in our current 58 degree water and 55 degree air, but I'll find out tomorrow. Stoked to have gotten it for under $20.
-
You must be doing something right Zoo!
-
You must be doing something right Zoo!
I'm amazed.
-
2 things, Patagonia just ended a huge sale so that could be coincidental but who knows.
If you want to check if they are jacking the price on just you, use another browser or clear your cookies. Pro Tip: if you are looking at airfares, the cookie thing will save you a ton of bread. If you go back later, and they know it's you, it will be higher. For travel they know you are most likely not going to bail if the price is bumped.
-
I will definitely try that out SC.
-
I wear the 4/3/2 all winter here. It's so easy to get into and (more importantly) out of and far more comfortable, that I can't bring myself to wear my 5/4 that feels like a straightjacket when trying to take it off. Add a 5/3 hooded vest and the Supreme is good for most anything New England winters can dish out.....I do now draw the line at 15F especially if windy...getting wimpy in my old age..... ;)
-
I wear the 4/3/2 all winter here. It's so easy to get into and (more importantly) out of and far more comfortable, that I can't bring myself to wear my 5/4 that feels like a straightjacket when trying to take it off. Add a 5/3 hooded vest and the Supreme is good for most anything New England winters can dish out.....I do now draw the line at 15F especially if windy...getting wimpy in my old age..... ;)
Easy you say? I don't think they are easy to get into or out of, in fact, I have a hard time getting into my new suit this morning. I think it's because it's so extremely stretchy. Probably will get easier with practice.
-
I watched Dan Gavere shed his SUPreme wetsuit after our "Hellfire" run a few years ago. He took his off like he was peeling out of coveralls, while I flopped around like a gaffed mackerel trying to get off my 3/4 Oneill full suit. I needed help, he didn't.
-
Mine suit arrived today. 4 days since ordered it... not bad. Total price was 45 bucks.
I was a little apprehensive as I never owned a chest zip wetsuit before. This is after a sweaty claustrophobic nightmare trying one on when they first came out. That's why they coined the phrase, "Team O'Neill", because you needed at least two people to get in and out of it.
This one, I put on and took it off with ease. As easy, or easier, than my O'neill back zip Heat. It's lightweight and super stretchy. Seems like I could've gone one size smaller, but this one will be fine. I got the 3-2-1mm, so I'll see how warm it is as the water temp in Santa Cruz has fallen to somewhere around 54 degrees.
-
I clicked on it again and this time I got the 20 dollar coupon. Although not as good as Mr. Zoo's score, it's still such a deal.
I bought this one for a Christmas present.
-
That is my go to suit for albeit cold winter days, Then I switch to to the long sleeve 3//2 Great suit great price!
-
I know what you mean about the stretchiness making it different taking them off but getting it off your shoulders is effortless and that's always been my biggest problem...after that you just peel it off.
-
I know what you mean about the stretchiness making it different taking them off but getting it off your shoulders is effortless and that's always been my biggest problem...after that you just peel it off.
Plus one.