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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: blueplanetsurf on September 28, 2016, 11:29:24 PM
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Dave Skedelski from Surfco Hawaii has been working on this project for a long time and finally has a product that works great. It's as grippy as wax (or better) without the mess. Kevin loves it on his shortboard and and put together this video. It also works well as nose traction on SUP's, or as a deck pad replacement, we just used it on a Kazuma board that came out really nice looking, I'll post a photo of that board tomorrow. It's reasonably priced, we have it available at our shop now, check out the video:
https://youtu.be/dOTz4nYB5os
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One thing I wish he would have mentioned in the video. Since supper's stand up generally all the time, how comfortable is it on one's feet when standing on it for a considerable length of time?
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I want!
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One thing I wish he would have mentioned in the video. Since supper's stand up generally all the time, how comfortable is it on one's feet when standing on it for a considerable length of time?
It's not as thick or soft as a regular EVA pad but is comfortable to stand on.
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Any weight savings compared to an eva pad?
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Yes, they are thin and a bit lighter that EVA.
For more information on the Wax Mats, check out the SurfCo Hawaii website:
http://www.surfcohawaii.com/Wax-Mat-Panels-s/161.htm
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I have a photo of what it looks like on a board in my surf expo thread.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,30563.0.html
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So it looks nice, Ok, but how well does it really grip. Can anyone who used it compare it to surfing with wax. or an EVA pad?
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Looks great! Any idea on how long is this stuff supposed to last until it needs to be replaced?
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It's very grippy, as Kevin says in the video, as good as fresh wax and he used to take wax into the water to re-apply while surfing.
According to Surfco it's made to last the life of a board.
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Is it comfortable?
Guys wtf. I have surfed a Padless board for 7 years with wax and all my other boards have pads. The comfort of the wax vs padded board has never once entered my mind.
Wax works well but it wears away. Pads are fine but they cost money.
Go read "The Goal". Best book on business, or rather how to improve your business, ever written. Objective is to save / make money.
If comfort isn't a factor, which its not then it's cost.
How much do these cost?)
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Beasho, you in booties most of the time?
I've had long sessions where my feet go numb, with pad. Without pad, was a nightmare. Like standing on a concrete floor for hours.
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Switched from booties to boots. I'm the guy with plantar fasciitis.
SUP related? Probably.
I use footwear most of the time. Even in warm east coast water.
Maybe that's the solution. Either way best not to slip.
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Would be interested to know how it compares to the hexa traction pads from NRS. I was looking into getting those. Nice to know there is another option. Maybe the prices will come down a bit with more competition.
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I asked Dave to post a response but he could not figure out how to join and post and asked me to post this:
Kinetic coeffcient of friction test report, with a comment that the Hexa Traction from Spain is similar to the 3M Safety Walk. Poor wet grip and abrasive to the skin.
EVA foam pads offer better "cushion" to the feet, though are less responsive, heavy, absorb water, and abrasive to the skin.
Cost: higher than China foam, less than sealed cell foams like Sea Deck.
User product review:
Jamin Jones, Aug 14
Hey David,
We're very happy with the performance (and look) of this on our 7'10 SUP. I put a review on Facebook with some pics:
https://www.facebook.com/ben.jones.3386585/posts/10153817772196966?pnref=story
I'm going to place an additional order for our 7'7 SUP. I'll have more detail on exactly what we want in a later message.
Aloha,
-Ben
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The little 2x6 and 2x12 strips might be good for paddles too.
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Looks good, I'll have to try it. I'd be hard pressed to call Hexatraction either abrasive or lacking in grip, though. Pricing might be better. How much?
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Looks good, I'll have to try it. I'd be hard pressed to call Hexatraction either abrasive or lacking in grip, though. Pricing might be better. How much?
I have not tried the Hexatraction, so I have no experience with those, I was quoting Dave Skedeleski's email.
We sell the Wax Mats by the piece and you can mix/ match to fit your board. Surfco also sells kits, but there are so many different shapes that we find it easiest to custom match the board with the panels that fit best. The prices are posted here:
http://www.surfcohawaii.com/Wax-Mat-Panels-s/161.htm
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Thanks for the data and comparison to Hexa Traction. sounds like this stuff is superior to the Hexa Traction in terms of performance, which is good to know.
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From my experience using Hexatraction on my surfboard, grip is very adequate for your feet.
For prone board paddling, particularly in rougher conditions, with a lot of surface chop and/or larger waves to paddle out through, the Hexatraction feels less positive than wax. You get used to it but I still prefer wax for prone boards. Of course, wax is a freaking potential mess in warm or hot climates, like Hawaii, especially if you leave boards in a hot car. Hexatraction is very neat and clean and you can just pick up your board and go, no messing around. Maybe it works so well for standup boards because your feet are rougher skin and you get more traction. Just a couple of observations after trying the Hexa for more than a month on my prone. I am using it on the nose of my Stun Gun also, and on that board (a SUS), I can't say anything but positives about the Hexatraction. And, it looks pretty cool too.
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Anyone have enough experience with the wax mat to say how long it will last?
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Anyone have enough experience with the wax mat to say how long it will last?
I can't speak to "real" longevity, but I've had it on the nose of my boards for a year and a half, with zero deterioration. I surf different boards, but 3-5 times per week, and our UV here is BRUTAL! I don't know that I would use it for the whole deck, but the forward part of a long board, or just in front of the pad on a gun, for sure. Since finding Wax-mat, I despise wax :-)
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i wass thinking it might work in the area where i do most of my standing on a short sup...but you think a pad is superior there?
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Here's a little review. 'Didn't tell me much ..but at least it is on a SUP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmM__ctrBMU
Jim
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Couldn't get past the first minute after the appearance of the "jorts". :-X
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two folks I sup with here in HAwaii felt the mat does NOT provide adequate traction in the waves. It did for a the first few sessions perhaps...
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It can get slippery when oils/ sunscreen are on the surface. Try to clean it with soap and water to make them more grippy again. I use wax mat on a prone foil board and prefer it to wax.
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I realized the original video link in this post does not work, here is the updated video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkn6w7ZS_vA