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General => Classifieds => Topic started by: linter on June 26, 2016, 01:53:13 PM
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I'm in search of a Greenough Stage 6 fin, anything 9" or longer. Condition relatively unimportant. Will pay $ but I also have a bunch of longboard fins I could trade. If anyone has what I'm looking for, let me know and if you want to trade, I'll then go and photograph my fins to post here. if you want $, let me know how much. thanks! linter
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Have you tried the True Ames website? http://www.trueames.com/
They still make them.
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Can I ask what board you plan to use the Stage 6 fin on? (I was thinking about trying a Wingnut cut-away on my B&B)
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I loce this fin on certain boards. I have not tried it on a SUP yet but I can tell you my Yater Spoon loved it.
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I just ordered it from Bashams -- $63 with shipping for the 9.75. I'm going to use it on my JL black and blue. Have no idea how it'll work or even if, but i'm looking forward to finding out.
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I tried it on a longboard style JL 10 years ago...worked OK...but, I prefer a wide base and flexy tip...personal preference(s)...YMMV...
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Linter, looking forward to seeing how you like that fin on the B&B.
I tried a 9" WN cutaway this morning in place of the 10" stock fin and found the board to be a lot looser and maybe just a tad quicker down the line.
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Will report back. Are you going to stick w/ the Wingnut?
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Probably stick with it for a few sessions, the only drawback is minor loss in stability.
Have you found the accelerator on your B&B yet? On the 9'6" there is a flat(er) spot in the rocker, just about in the middle, where you can get just a little more speed down the line.
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Linter, I gotta say that after a loooong search for a board that works for you, I'm really happy you found the JL Black and Blue. I see my son try boards he's not right for and he's frustrated vs when he's on one that fits and works for him. The difference between right and wrong can be ever so slight. :D
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Linter, looking forward to seeing how you like that fin on the B&B.
I tried a 9" WN cutaway this morning in place of the 10" stock fin and found the board to be a lot looser and maybe just a tad quicker down the line.
Me too - look forward to your thoughts on the Stage 6.
& I also have a Wingnut Cutaway 10" that I'd only used on my Laird 10'6" and I'm remembering it wasn't that great
on the Laird but I was probably using bigger sidebites - later, on the Laird, my favorite cutaway is only 5.5"s. So,
probably not the right fin on that board.
Anyway, I'm glad you guys brought up the Wingnut on the B&B - so, I also tried it out today on my B&B for the first time.
I've recently been using pretty big D fins on the Black & Blue - I've got the 10'1" board.
In order of what I noticed with the Wingut on the B&B:
Paddling, I found it was, as expected, more wobbly - less surface area - but not too bad.
Yawing, I found it paddled plenty straight - cool, I thought it could be a problem
but it has some area pretty deep and lots of raked area.
Paddling speed and drag - much less!! as expected, I think, in part, because of less area
but maybe mainly because of less fin base - totally opposite of what I was going for
with the D-Fins (which I do like). I definitely like less paddling drag!
Taking off on the wave - yahoo - less drag so easier takeoffs. I really like less paddling effort
especially in the crowded, competitive conditions I surf in. & I got a bunch of great rides.
Turned fine - I thought I might have to get used to it, going to less area but was good right away.
Noseriding....held in very well - didn't hang toes but I was way up there - seemed to slow the
board down a bit on the wave - very fun.
Pivot turns - I did do some pivot turns on the smaller waves - it is kind of raked but still pivoted
if I wanted it to - a bit surprised by that.
Cutbacks - worked well.
Going over pretty big balls of white water - definitely more wobbly. In fact, I fell a few times when I doubt I would
have fallen with the bigger area D-Fins or pivots. However, as the session progressed I seemed
to be adapting to it. Still, a little more effort there.
Going down a big face. Geeze on a 1.5x or maybe a bit larger wave a longboarder shoulder
hopped me just after I took off - way too close. I had to slow down and the wave started spilling on me,
so I cut back straight down the wave towards the beach -- got way back on the board - the nose did wobble back and forth for
a bit - I lost a little control going down that steep - I've found moving the fin back can solve that
issue...sometimes the same problem from a more straight up pivot...but moving it back in conjunction with the
huge tail rocker seems to solve it. I had the fin about 2 inches forward in the box and hanging out
beyond the tail by about a half an inch, or an inch (difficult to measure) - Anyway, if waves are big
I'd probably move the fin back in the box an inch or so more. But only had the problem once today - but
don't like to potentially lose control like that on a big wave face.
Anyway, wow I was surprised at how much l like the B&B with the Wingnut.
I think the main thing is - similar performance with less physical effort.
;D ;D ;D
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Slatch: As you know, it took me a super long time to find the right board for me, but the journey was worth it. I now have 3 B&Bs, one in San Diego, two here with me in RI. They just suit my sort-of style -- i can move about on it or just stand there and do nothing at all.
Bean: I know that flat spot you're talking about. I have no troubles with speed on this thing. i mean, the kind of speed I'm looking for.
Subber: thanks for the report! BTW / What D fin and size have you been using? My local surf shop has a true D that looks to be maybe 9" at most and weighs a ton. I've thought It'd be fun to try but it costs a ton.
Unless I'm planning to walk right on take off, almost all my turns are pivot turns, so I'm always looking to maximize the ability to do so. The stock Jimmy fin is great for many things, but it was maybe a little big for quicker pivots. I'm currently using a smaller, earlier-era Jimmy fin that's much better for me (at the cost of some stability) but I thought I'd give the Stage 6 a go, just to see what it does.
p.s. glad to see more B&Bers among us. it's a very specialized, one of a kind board and it's great to be able to share thoughts about it. mine are all the 10.1 variety. have you guys tried late, nearly sideways take offs in crumbly waves? The board just slides down the face with the crumble and then scoots on forward. I'm not sure, but I think the 50/50 rails allow for the slide.
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...have you guys tried late, nearly sideways take offs in crumbly waves? The board just slides down the face with the crumble and then scoots on forward. I'm not sure, but I think the 50/50 rails allow for the slide.
YES! This morning in fact.
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Subber: thanks for the report! BTW / What D fin and size have you been using? My local surf shop has a true D that looks to be maybe 9" at most and weighs a ton. I've thought It'd be fun to try but it costs a ton.
Unless I'm planning to walk right on take off, almost all my turns are pivot turns, so I'm always looking to maximize the ability to do so. The stock Jimmy fin is great for many things, but it was maybe a little big for quicker pivots. I'm currently using a smaller, earlier-era Jimmy fin that's much better for me (at the cost of some stability) but I thought I'd give the Stage 6 a go, just to see what it does.
p.s. glad to see more B&Bers among us. it's a very specialized, one of a kind board and it's great to be able to share thoughts about it. mine are all the 10.1 variety. have you guys tried late, nearly sideways take offs in crumbly waves? The board just slides down the face with the crumble and then scoots on forward. I'm not sure, but I think the 50/50 rails allow for the slide.
I've gotten toes over with the Rainbow Skeg 8.5" tall, 8.5” base + 0.5” overhang - That is the one I'd recommend at this point (Bashams). I also have the 9.75” Mason Dyer Jetson D-Fin, 8.33” base, and the 9” Future Fins Greg Noll D-Fin – Had to cut it to fit 10” box, total in-the-box length is about 10.375” originally (before modification); I'd like to try the D-fin by True Ames (among others). The only other fin I got toes over with is the Velzy Butterfly V-fin but it has more drag.
I think the Rainbow works better than the others for the B&B because it seems to me that the Rainbow has a thicker foil which I think is better for the B&B than those fins with a narrower/thinner foil. I think that also is probably why the Wingnut (Rainbow) works well on the B&B - kind of a thick fin. I also have a couple (really like the way the fin looks) Rainbow El Gato's - better for the B&B than my Laird which has the sharper rear rails - I'm thinking the Skeg and the Wingnut Cutaway work better for the B&B than the El Gato.
Anyway, I had my best day ever with the Rainbow Skeg. It was a sloppy day - about overhead waves and hardly anyone out. I was surprised at how well the B&B was turning with a D-fin. So, I decided to do some rollercoasters and really drive down and then get some vertical - which I hadn't really tried doing in a long time - who thought you could do that on a "log" - but here I was really doing it well - on the top turn, I'd stall and have to run to the nose to get it going again. Then, near the bottom of a wave I was noticing how far up I was - I thought I can put toes over & I did - not a cheater five & also for several seconds - kind of planted there, then backpedaled. I did it a few times that day.
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You know I also have had some or even quite a few of those late, semi-sideways take offs on the B&B - even on steeper less crumbly waves - lol, where I though I'm going to eat it but the nose slid down into the wave - fun! Yeah, its probably the rails, plus the float.
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I've find the fin from George super loose. With bigger waves the smallest sidebites I have keep the tail tight(it's only 6").
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These are my favorites though, 8,9 & 10", so loose and sure.
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oh man i gotta get me one of those rainbow Ds. fantastic!
(http://www.longboardhouse.com/assets/images/rainbowfins/longdboards/lb_skeg.jpg)
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Very cool indeed.
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Linter,
How'd it go with the Greenough Stage 6?
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got a stage 6 and didn't like it at all. just didn't feel right. but i also picked up a rainbow skeg. fan tast ic. love it. wish it was 9.5 instead of 8.5 but other than that, it's my new go-to fin.
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got a stage 6 and didn't like it at all. just didn't feel right. but i also picked up a rainbow skeg. fan tast ic. love it. wish it was 9.5 instead of 8.5 but other than that, it's my new go-to fin.
Good, I'll pass on trying the Stage 6 then.
Yeah, I had my best session with the Rainbow Skeg too - a great fin!
I was thinking that too, that it might be even better if it were just a bit larger.
The Noll and the Jetson are larger and are good but not as good - I think the key is the
Rainbow has a thicker foil - also it weighs quite a bit more. -- I was wondering
if you tried putting the lead on the tail of your B&B? - I was thinking maybe the tail of the B&B is
just a bit too floaty so it isn't as low in the water as optimal to get the water
flowing on top of it to get toes over for longer rides.
Where did you get that lead sheet?
I might try it, right on the tail. Shouldn't affect the swing weight
way back there.
I'm still looking for an even better fin for the board.
Just got a 10.25” The Purchase by True Ames for Christian Wach at Canvas Surfboards.
Pretty good but not quite as good as the Rainbow.
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Yeah, that rainbow is pretty special. Have you tried the 9" True Ames D2 fin? My friend Bob had the D1 for a while and it was pretty thick and heavy. I'm figuring the D2 must be similar. Nope, have not tried the lead trick on the B and B. I got mine off of ebay. Very cheap.
Did you actually try the Jetson on the B? I have a friend who can get Captain fins on the cheap, so I thought I might try one, but if you've already done some testing, I'll give it a pass and stick w/ the Skeg.
I also got a Justin Quintal 9-3/4" straightback fin. I like it, only the Rainbow is still better.
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Yeah, that rainbow is pretty special. Have you tried the 9" True Ames D2 fin? My friend Bob had the D1 for a while and it was pretty thick and heavy. I'm figuring the D2 must be similar. Nope, have not tried the lead trick on the B and B. I got mine off of ebay. Very cheap.
Did you actually try the Jetson on the B? I have a friend who can get Captain fins on the cheap, so I thought I might try one, but if you've already done some testing, I'll give it a pass and stick w/ the Skeg.
I also got a Justin Quintal 9-3/4" straightback fin. I like it, only the Rainbow is still better.
Yes, I have the Jetson. It is fine. It has a narrow foil and was actually pretty sharp.
You know it has kind of a point at the tip, so I sanded it down a bit to make it safer -
same with the trailing edge - too sharp. It is made of a very lightweight fiberglass and has a pretty narrow foil.
I would use it for faster more powerful waves where you have to go fast to make it past/thru
closeouts, as it has less drag. For slower waves and to try to get toes over the Rainbow is better.
I'll tell you though, it looks really cool on the B&B.
Similarly with the Noll, which I also have and had to cut the base and move the pin to fit (it is too big for a standard 10" box).
I cut it first to just barely fit. Then after a couple of surfs, I cut more of the base off and moved the pin so that I could
get the trailing edge of the fin all the way back to the back edge of the board - that made it better but still
not as good as the Rainbow.
Yeah, I'm thinking of trying the Ames - haven't decided D1 or D2.
Thanks for the heads up on the Quintail. I've been looking at that one too.
I'll probably pass on it now.
I just started looking on ebay for some lead.
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tell you what. PM me your address and I'll send you a few lbs of lead. i've got about 50 lbs of the stuff and would love to get you some so you can further your experiments. for me, that'd be win/win.
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Thinking about this a little more, maybe adding lead behind the Jetson would make it work better.
It never crossed my mind that the tail of the B&B might be a little too floaty for its own good. Hmmm. Might have to try adding some lead to the tail, which could also lead to some pretty radical and flashy pivot turns.
Offer for sending lead to you still stands!
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Cool, thanks Linter! PM sent.
LOL, that's what I was thinking/wondering about,
with the B&B's rocker, a little lead back there, you might
not have to step back much to really whip the nose around.
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Not a Greenough Stage six but I used to like these on a single fin LB.
Pretty good price too.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/spo/5683270221.html
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i have a buddy who loves that fin and convinced me to get one. i used it on a 10-6 laird noserider and couldn't stand it. that said, it's still in my fin collection, so maybe i'll give it a go on my B&B just for snits and giggles. thanks for reminding me i still had it!