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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: spirit4earth on April 07, 2016, 06:08:29 AM
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I'm looking at two paddles: a 3-piece travel adjustable and a 2-piece adjustable. Weights are 21.5 ounces and 19.25 ounces. Not being a long-time paddler, and not being able to buy multiple paddles, I'm curious to hear what you folks think about small differences in paddle weight. The blades and construction will be the same. Will 2.25 ounces matter that much? How noticeable would that be? Thanks for your input.
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At @1600 strokes per mile (or the quick acceleration for surfing) those onces add up
But as (or more important) to paddle design is Stiffness (shaft) and GOOD blade design. There are plenty of cheap paddles on the market the "LOOK LIKE" a good paddle but it pays to BUY A GOOD paddle and you will keep it a LONG time and in the long run save you money (Buying junk then buying a good paddle)
Let me know how I can help
JimK
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A 3-pc has 2x as many joints as the 2-pc. I would go w/ a 2-pc, for that reason.
Ask on here for recommendations. I had a 3-pc 'carbon' in the past. Total junk!
It ended up in the trash.
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It's down to to the Werner Trance 85 2-piece vs 3-piece.
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I'm looking at two paddles: a 3-piece travel adjustable and a 2-piece adjustable. Weights are 21.5 ounces and 19.25 ounces. Not being a long-time paddler, and not being able to buy multiple paddles, I'm curious to hear what you folks think about small differences in paddle weight. The blades and construction will be the same. Will 2.25 ounces matter that much? How noticeable would that be? Thanks for your input.
If the weight is the only thing that interests you, go with the 2 piece. It's cheaper, lighter and of the same quality. not much to consider.
The difference of 2.25 ounces will probably not be that critical in the short term.
If you're thinking long term, you should consider other options. 2 that comes to mind are in the 17 ounces range, which will be noticeable.
Take a look at the Kai Zen paddle, http://blueplanetsurf.com/collections/paddles/products/blue-planet-2016-kai-zen-cf-paddle-early-bird-pre-orders-until-12-31-15 (http://blueplanetsurf.com/collections/paddles/products/blue-planet-2016-kai-zen-cf-paddle-early-bird-pre-orders-until-12-31-15)
It's a 3 piece paddle, you can find a lot of information about it here in the forum. There are some guys here in the forum who ordered it when it just came out.
By the sound of it, it might be the only paddle you'll ever need, even in the future when you're an experienced paddler.
If the adjustable part is a deal breaker for you, consider the ZRE Power Surge http://www.zre.com/sup-paddles/ (http://www.zre.com/sup-paddles/) which is highly customizable in every aspect that's important to paddling.
Both have an oval shaft, which I find superior, the price hike will $100 or less than the Werner's you're looking at
and built quality will be on par (at least for the ZRE which I own).
Both should last you for years and you would probably not be tempted to buy a new paddle just because of weight difference,
as the difference between the elite 1 piece paddles and these 2 will be in the range of 2 ounces.
If you do buy a paddle in the 20 ounces range, 1 or 2 years from now, when you're more experienced, you might put your hands
on a 14-15 ounces paddle and the difference will be striking. You know what happens next... ;)
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Are you going to be traveling with your paddle? If you plan on taking your paddle on airplanes etc., then I’d get the three piece. If not, I’d get the two piece. The three piece is nice in that it breaks down so small, but weight does make a difference.
I have the old Werner Nitro in the three piece, in size medium. Then earlier this year I bought the one piece Werner Trance 85. The difference in weight between my new one piece and my old three piece is significant and is noticeable.
And for what it’s worth, the Werner Trance 85 is a very nice paddle. I think you’ll like it no matter which you get.
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Hey Spirit,
Just curious. Weren't you looking at a new board recently? If I remember correctly you were asking about the same board I just recently purchased - the Bark Competitor. Did you end up with a new board and if so what did you get? Or is my mind playing tricks on me again and I've got this wrong?
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Hey Spirit,
Just curious. Weren't you looking at a new board recently? If I remember correctly you were asking about the same board I just recently purchased - the Bark Competitor. Did you end up with a new board and if so what did you get? Or is my mind playing tricks on me again and I've got this wrong?
Yes, I'm still in the market. I have such a small amount of money that I tend to have a hard time deciding. Every purchase puts a huge dent in my tiny net worth. I'm hoping to be able to demo a Wing later in May.
How are you liking the Bark after having it for a while?
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I'm looking at two paddles: a 3-piece travel adjustable and a 2-piece adjustable. Weights are 21.5 ounces and 19.25 ounces. Not being a long-time paddler, and not being able to buy multiple paddles, I'm curious to hear what you folks think about small differences in paddle weight. The blades and construction will be the same. Will 2.25 ounces matter that much? How noticeable would that be? Thanks for your input.
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If the weight is the only thing that interests you, go with the 2 piece. It's cheaper, lighter and of the same quality. not much to consider.
The difference of 2.25 ounces will probably not be that critical in the short term.
If you're thinking long term, you should consider other options. 2 that comes to mind are in the 17 ounces range, which will be noticeable.
Take a look at the Kai Zen paddle, http://blueplanetsurf.com/collections/paddles/products/blue-planet-2016-kai-zen-cf-paddle-early-bird-pre-orders-until-12-31-15 (http://blueplanetsurf.com/collections/paddles/products/blue-planet-2016-kai-zen-cf-paddle-early-bird-pre-orders-until-12-31-15)
It's a 3 piece paddle, you can find a lot of information about it here in the forum. There are some guys here in the forum who ordered it when it just came out.
By the sound of it, it might be the only paddle you'll ever need, even in the future when you're an experienced paddler.
If the adjustable part is a deal breaker for you, consider the ZRE Power Surge http://www.zre.com/sup-paddles/ (http://www.zre.com/sup-paddles/) which is highly customizable in every aspect that's important to paddling.
Both have an oval shaft, which I find superior, the price hike will $100 or less than the Werner's you're looking at
and built quality will be on par (at least for the ZRE which I own).
Both should last you for years and you would probably not be tempted to buy a new paddle just because of weight difference,
as the difference between the elite 1 piece paddles and these 2 will be in the range of 2 ounces.
If you do buy a paddle in the 20 ounces range, 1 or 2 years from now, when you're more experienced, you might put your hands
on a 14-15 ounces paddle and the difference will be striking. You know what happens next... ;)
I do need an adjustable paddle because I'm not dialed in on my board yet. If I ever end up using different boards, I'll need to adjust the paddle. I can't afford multiples. :((
I had a 2-piece Werner Nitro that I liked, but at its shortest (70"), it was pretty long for my Honda Fit. I'm all into saving weight, though.
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Hey Spirit,
Just curious. Weren't you looking at a new board recently? If I remember correctly you were asking about the same board I just recently purchased - the Bark Competitor. Did you end up with a new board and if so what did you get? Or is my mind playing tricks on me again and I've got this wrong?
Yes, I'm still in the market. I have such a small amount of money that I tend to have a hard time deciding. Every purchase puts a huge dent in my tiny net worth. I'm hoping to be able to demo a Wing later in May.
How are you liking the Bark after having it for a while?
I haven't been out on the Competitor a lot, but from the times I have had it out, I really like it. Was just out on it again this morning and this is the first time I've had it in any kind of wind. It wasn't crazy wind, not like some of the others on this forum encounter, but it was still enough that I know I would have had difficulty on my inflatable. The Bark handled it just fine. Still can't say I find it a joy to paddle in wind, but at least after this morning I have some confidence that if I do get caught in wind, I will be able to paddle against it. On my inflatable, it was almost impossible for me to make headway against any kind of wind.
I bought the Competitor as a touring board but it is also not a barge to paddle and is very stable. Tracks well and pivot turns on a dime. Really is a joy to paddle.
If I remember correctly you are female? Not sure what your height and weight are, but have you thought of the Bark Contender? I haven't actually seen one, but now that I've got the Competitor, and I know how it paddles, the Contender is another board that interests me. Apparently it is the same basic design, but a little narrower. I'm 5' 8" tall and weigh 150 pounds and think that the Contender might be a good size for me. I'd love to test paddle one.
Good luck on your search, and also with your new paddle!
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Quickbeam, let me know if you get a Bark Contender. It looks like a great board. Much too expensive for me, though. I don't have the dough most people on this forum seem to have! Anyway, I'm still trying to decide between the 2-piece and the 3-piece. I hate the idea of more weight, even a couple ounces, but the 3-piece does seem more practical in my world.
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I think I'll go with the 2-piece. Although it'll be a bit harder to transport in my little car, I'll save a couple of ounces, and possibly get a slight bit of flex in the shaft.
Outdoorplay is having a 20% off sale, so it's a good time to buy. Thanks for all your input!
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I think I'll go with the 2-piece. Although it'll be a bit harder to transport in my little car
Smaller than my car? ;-)
I use a 1-piece paddle in this car.
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Quickbeam, let me know if you get a Bark Contender. It looks like a great board. Much too expensive for me, though. I don't have the dough most people on this forum seem to have! Anyway, I'm still trying to decide between the 2-piece and the 3-piece. I hate the idea of more weight, even a couple ounces, but the 3-piece does seem more practical in my world.
Will do Spirit, although with the way our Canadian dollar is compared to the American dollar, not sure I’ll be getting one anytime soon. The price for boards has gone up substantially this year because of the dollar. I have spoken to a dealer who may be bringing a Contender in as a demo board and he has told me he’ll let me know if he gets it in. Really hope I get the chance to at least try the board. I just think a 27” wide board might be the sweet spot for me. If I try it and really like it, then I'll have a very difficult decision to make!
And good luck on your paddle. Looks like you decided on the two piece. Think you'll really enjoy it. Werner makes a great paddle.
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I think I'll go with the 2-piece. Although it'll be a bit harder to transport in my little car
Smaller than my car? ;-)
I use a 1-piece paddle in this car.
:). Your car is even smaller than mine! I have a Honda Fit.
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Quickbeam, let me know if you get a Bark Contender. It looks like a great board. Much too expensive for me, though. I don't have the dough most people on this forum seem to have! Anyway, I'm still trying to decide between the 2-piece and the 3-piece. I hate the idea of more weight, even a couple ounces, but the 3-piece does seem more practical in my world.
Will do Spirit, although with the way our Canadian dollar is compared to the American dollar, not sure I’ll be getting one anytime soon. The price for boards has gone up substantially this year because of the dollar. I have spoken to a dealer who may be bringing a Contender in as a demo board and he has told me he’ll let me know if he gets it in. Really hope I get the chance to at least try the board. I just think a 27” wide board might be the sweet spot for me. If I try it and really like it, then I'll have a very difficult decision to make!
And good luck on your paddle. Looks like you decided on the two piece. Think you'll really enjoy it. Werner makes a great paddle.
I might get a chance to demo some Bics in May. Paddle boarding isn't very big around here yet. Best of luck with trying the Contender. Maybe you'll get lucky and not like it!
I might be willing to change my US dollars to Canadian dollars depending on how our election goes. There might be a bunch of us trying to move to Canada! :)
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Quickbeam, let me know if you get a Bark Contender. It looks like a great board. Much too expensive for me, though. I don't have the dough most people on this forum seem to have! Anyway, I'm still trying to decide between the 2-piece and the 3-piece. I hate the idea of more weight, even a couple ounces, but the 3-piece does seem more practical in my world.
Will do Spirit, although with the way our Canadian dollar is compared to the American dollar, not sure I’ll be getting one anytime soon. The price for boards has gone up substantially this year because of the dollar. I have spoken to a dealer who may be bringing a Contender in as a demo board and he has told me he’ll let me know if he gets it in. Really hope I get the chance to at least try the board. I just think a 27” wide board might be the sweet spot for me. If I try it and really like it, then I'll have a very difficult decision to make!
And good luck on your paddle. Looks like you decided on the two piece. Think you'll really enjoy it. Werner makes a great paddle.
I might get a chance to demo some Bics in May. Paddle boarding isn't very big around here yet. Best of luck with trying the Contender. Maybe you'll get lucky and not like it!
I might be willing to change my US dollars to Canadian dollars depending on how our election goes. There might be a bunch of us trying to move to Canada! :)
We would welcome you up here. That might be kind of unique - refugees from "The Donald"!!!
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Oops - guess I shouldn't presume to know your political allegiances. I just assumed it would be because of Trump. Didn't mean to offend.
But I have to admit, if it was me and "The Donald" was elected as my President, I would be looking to go elsewhere!
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Oops - guess I shouldn't presume to know your political allegiances. I just assumed it would be because of Trump. Didn't mean to offend.
But I have to admit, if it was me and "The Donald" was elected as my President, I would be looking to go elsewhere!
No offense taken, if that tells you anything!
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I just received my 2-piece Trance, and there's quite a bit of play in the connection. There was no play in my Nitro. Now I'm having to talk to Outdoorplay and Werner about it. :((
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I just received my 2-piece Trance, and there's quite a bit of play in the connection. There was no play in my Nitro. Now I'm having to talk to Outdoorplay and Werner about it. :((
That's too bad Spirit. I have the Nitro 3 piece and it also has no play in it. Good luck in getting a replacement!
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I just received my 2-piece Trance, and there's quite a bit of play in the connection. There was no play in my Nitro. Now I'm having to talk to Outdoorplay and Werner about it. :((
Adjustable paddles tend to have a bit a play. I use a stripe or two of 3M Edge Guard Tape (helicopter tape) place lengthwise on the upper paddle shaft. Sometimes it's the full length of the adjustable range and sometimes just a couple inch piece at the top portion and at the bottom. Using a quality and narrow piece of tape is key and I wouldn't try it with another product. The fit should be just slightly firm and not tight!
It's even better as a blade edge protector and there's a bunch of threads on the topic.
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I just have the feeling that this one is slightly out of spec. I'm shipping it to Werner today, so I should know in a week or so. I have a pretty good feeling that they'll do right by me.
I'm not as impressed with Outdoorplay's after-sale customer service. They pretty much gave me the boot to Werner, so I won't be shopping with them anymore.
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I got my Trance 85 back from Werner today----it's so much better! I wasn't pleased with how outdoorplay handled their end, but I'm more impressed than ever with Werner. Their communication was great, turnaround time was good, and the paddle has only the tiniest bit of play now. I'm not even sure it's the same paddle!
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Good for you Spirit. Really glad this worked out for you. We pay enough for equipment these days so there is no reason not to have it working the way it should.
And props as well to Werner. Is always nice to hear about companies that stand behind their products. I've said it before but it's probably worth repeating. I never judge a company in a negative way if I receive a defective product (unless of course they have a history of defective products). I will however judge a company on how they take care of the issue if there is a defective product.
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Oops - guess I shouldn't presume to know your political allegiances. I just assumed it would be because of Trump. Didn't mean to offend.
But I have to admit, if it was me and "The Donald" was elected as my President, I would be looking to go elsewhere!
No worries! I signed up for the waiting list for "Maple Match"! Lol
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That's hilarious!!! Had no idea what "Maple Match" was. Had to google it.
Have you seen "Bricking it for Canada"? I posted it on another forum but will re-post here in case you haven't seen it. First go here: http://videosift.com/video/Bricking-It-For-Canada and then after that go here: http://brickingitforcanada.com/
And good luck with your "Maple Match"!
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That's hilarious!!! Had no idea what "Maple Match" was. Had to google it.
Have you seen "Bricking it for Canada"? I posted it on another forum but will re-post here in case you haven't seen it. First go here: http://videosift.com/video/Bricking-It-For-Canada and then after that go here: http://brickingitforcanada.com/
And good luck with your "Maple Match"!
That's so funny! I wonder if Trump would want us to leave or stay? He'd probably try to deport any of us who don't abide his Hitleresque values.
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@spirit4earth, did you end up sending the original Trance back to Outdoorplay, or to Werner?
I just read this thread AFTER ordering an adjustable 80-87.5 Trance 85 from Outdoorplay, hopefully they don't send me your return, lol! :o
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@spirit4earth, did you end up sending the original Trance back to Outdoorplay, or to Werner?
I just read this thread AFTER ordering an adjustable 80-87.5 Trance 85 from Outdoorplay, hopefully they don't send me your return, lol! :o
Lol! No, I sent it to Werner. I called outdoorplay before ordering the paddle, just to ask about how they package it for shipping etc, and whoever I talked to was extremely nice. I got the paddle in good time, but it had what I thought (and Werner confirmed) to be too much play. I called outdoorplay after getting the paddle, and the guy I talked to was a bit of an ignorant jerk. They dropped the ball--or should I say, punted? All they did was contact Werner for me, and then Werner emailed me after I sent pictures. It all went smoothly, though not without worry, after that. The paddle I got back, which may or may not be the original paddle I received, has just a tiny bit of play, and I'm comfortable with that. The carbon blade is a bit different than the Nitro's in that the sanded edges of the blade are whitish---kind of strange. I haven't had a chance to try the paddle because I STILL NEED A BOARD!!!! AAARRRRGGGHHH! :)
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It's down to to the Werner Trance 85 2-piece vs 3-piece.
I paddle with an all carbon Werner Trance 85 Performance Adjustable (74"-81.5") 2 piece paddle. I really like mine. It weighs 19.25 ounces. Since I'm a small guy of 145 pounds, I chose the Trance 85 because I didn't want to "bite" a large amount of water on the paddle stroke since I sometimes travel a few miles during a paddle session. The Trance 85 doesn't wear me out since I had a large bone spur removed surgically in my left AC shoulder joint a few years back.
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@spirit4earth, did you end up sending the original Trance back to Outdoorplay, or to Werner?
I just read this thread AFTER ordering an adjustable 80-87.5 Trance 85 from Outdoorplay, hopefully they don't send me your return, lol! :o
Lol! No, I sent it to Werner. I called outdoorplay before ordering the paddle, just to ask about how they package it for shipping etc, and whoever I talked to was extremely nice. I got the paddle in good time, but it had what I thought (and Werner confirmed) to be too much play. I called outdoorplay after getting the paddle, and the guy I talked to was a bit of an ignorant jerk. They dropped the ball--or should I say, punted? All they did was contact Werner for me, and then Werner emailed me after I sent pictures. It all went smoothly, though not without worry, after that. The paddle I got back, which may or may not be the original paddle I received, has just a tiny bit of play, and I'm comfortable with that. The carbon blade is a bit different than the Nitro's in that the sanded edges of the blade are whitish---kind of strange. I haven't had a chance to try the paddle because I STILL NEED A BOARD!!!! AAARRRRGGGHHH! :)
That's a relief on the paddle being sent back to Werner, now I know I won't be getting the paddle with play sent to me, lol! ;D
Good luck on finding the right board, take your time researching and make sure it's what you want, these things aren't cheap and it would suck to drop down big bucks on a board and not be happy with it. 8)