Post by: spirit4earth on December 27, 2015, 02:48:33 AM
I need one that is length adjustable, so around 70-77, like the Werner.
Thanks!
Post by: Area 10 on December 27, 2015, 03:13:06 AM
Post by: Off-Shore on December 27, 2015, 04:05:51 AM
Post by: PonoBill on December 27, 2015, 08:05:40 AM
I'll do a review of it soon, but it's a high quality, reasonably light (could be made lighter), high performance paddle with no flaws caused by being three piece.
Post by: yugi on December 27, 2015, 08:28:47 AM
You like light? Some insane stuff coming up. Will blow glue-heads minds!
Post by: Beasho on December 27, 2015, 09:05:20 AM
The new Blue Planet paddle is a three piece. Very nice design. . . . .
I'll do a review of it soon, but it's a high quality, reasonably light (could be made lighter) . . . .
How light?
As always my rant is "Show me the data." My recent paddle test suggested that the highest correlation to speed was light weight.
A 'light' paddle is ~1.0 lb. Anything getting up to 1.5 lbs+ is heavy. I suppose if you are just going for a cruise down a canal, not bad, but why can't a carbon 3 piece be pretty light. Just an extra ferrule?
PS: I recently stopped wearing my tide watch, ~ 6 oz or 170 grams, because I don't need to swing that 2,000 times a session.
Post by: SG50SUP on December 27, 2015, 03:29:01 PM
I also like the design that Blue Planet came up with on their Kickstarter. But was a day late to join in the fun. Hot-glued travel paddle would be my next find too. Twitter @SUPmission
Post by: Fog City Rider on December 27, 2015, 04:00:30 PM
PROS are that it's stiff, light, simple & easy to adjust on the fly, and paddles well. It does not feel like a 3-piece on the water. It's high quality and built tough, I've had mine for over a year without any issues. I've used it mostly for surf.
CONS are it's stiff (if you like flex, which I do), and fills with a bit of water if you're surfing and falling since the upper shaft has holes in it. It also makes a whistling noise in the wind due to those holes - it's like a carbon flute. Also, the adjustment increments are fixed & an inch or so apart. Non-issue for me, but not the best if you want to do micro-adjustments.
Hope that helps. I imagine the Trance is even better.
Post by: spirit4earth on December 27, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Post by: supdiscobay on December 27, 2015, 05:13:03 PM
Post by: spirit4earth on December 27, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
I used QB's 3pc Kanaha AC90 for a 5 day 220km flatwater paddle without a hoot. It's adjustable and is slightly over 1 lb. I kinda had the advantage to change paddle length on the fly as everyday weather conditions was changing. But if you want it light, I'd agree with Area10 to go with Trifecta 3pc. Chris Parker of SUPracer had that for the same race but only had problem dismantling it afterwards. Well we all had blisters on our hands after 5 days so that didn't help.
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That Trifecta is way too expensive for me!!
Post by: spirit4earth on December 27, 2015, 05:31:23 PM
The new Blue Planet paddle is a three piece. Very nice design. It's three piece as a result of a good design decision--moving the joint between blade and shaft up the shaft. Goes together with hot glue. I've suggented that they rework the top section to make it adjustable over a good range. Right now it's cut to fit.
I'll do a review of it soon, but it's a high quality, reasonably light (could be made lighter), high performance paddle with no flaws caused by being three piece.
No specs on this paddle on their web page??
Post by: PonoBill on December 27, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
Must be close to production. I hope the other beta testers have been more helpful than I have been in giving feedback. It's been a weird month for me. I'm spending more time in Home Depot than I am in the water.
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 28, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
The new Blue Planet paddle is a three piece. Very nice design. . . . .
I'll do a review of it soon, but it's a high quality, reasonably light (could be made lighter) . . . .
How light?
As always my rant is "Show me the data." My recent paddle test suggested that the highest correlation to speed was light weight.
A 'light' paddle is ~1.0 lb. Anything getting up to 1.5 lbs+ is heavy. I suppose if you are just going for a cruise down a canal, not bad, but why can't a carbon 3 piece be pretty light. Just an extra ferrule?
PS: I recently stopped wearing my tide watch, ~ 6 oz or 170 grams, because I don't need to swing that 2,000 times a session.
Unfortunately it's not a simple as adding a ferrule. If you just cut a one piece shaft into pieces and add a ferrule it would break at the joint, there is a lot of leverage on the joints of a 3 piece paddle so it has to be designed and constructed well.
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 28, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
It's a kickstarter campaign and the paddle I have is a beta test.https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/677219836/kai-zen-high-performance-stand-up-paddle-by-blue-p
Must be close to production. I hope the other beta testers have been more helpful than I have been in giving feedback. It's been a weird month for me. I'm spending more time in Home Depot than I am in the water.
Thanks Bill,
We have been getting a lot of valuable feedback from the Beta Testers and I appreciate your ideas on making the top handle adjustable.
The Kai Zen paddles will ship in February and are available for pre- order on our website here:
http://blueplanetsurf.com/collections/paddles/products/blue-planet-2016-kai-zen-cf-paddle-early-bird-pre-orders-until-12-31-15
Post by: PonoBill on December 28, 2015, 03:12:46 PM
The blade is great, nice and smooth on the catch, but positive. It works best for me with a lot of forward lean. Kind of falling on the blade. It doesn't have the fierce correction Konihis have, but it doesn't wobble unless you get it angled a bit. I like the shaft stiffness, and the egg shape. the little grip things take a while to get used to, but at least my hand never slipped.
Fine paddle.
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 29, 2015, 09:19:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTUsA7TrIf0
Post by: SG50SUP on January 09, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
That Trifecta is way too expensive for me!!
If you're looking at the $300 price range there's also the new hexagonal-joint BlackProject 3pc Carbon Travel Paddle. Just received mine and its lighter than QB 3pc AC90 Kanaha.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/4539bc6ad17849e4f7ddfdf6e55eb51a.jpg)BP 3pc Adjustable 615 gm with Carbon12
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/f45bc814e8f476782a133f5ff44a9ba6.jpg)QB 3pc AC90 Kanaha Adjustable (Carbon3?)
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Post by: spirit4earth on January 09, 2016, 05:02:11 PM
That Trifecta is way too expensive for me!!
If you're looking at the $300 price range there's also the new hexagonal-joint BlackProject 3pc Carbon Travel Paddle. Just received mine and its lighter than QB 3pc AC90 Kanaha.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/4539bc6ad17849e4f7ddfdf6e55eb51a.jpg)BP 3pc Adjustable 615 gm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/f45bc814e8f476782a133f5ff44a9ba6.jpg)QB 3pc AC90 Kanaha
Have you had a chance to give the BlackProject a good paddle?
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Post by: Paddle On on January 09, 2016, 05:18:13 PM
all that said, the multiple piece does take on some water so i do take it apart after each session which is pretty simple to do.
Post by: SG50SUP on January 09, 2016, 05:29:53 PM
Have you had a chance to give the BlackProject a good paddle?Only had 1.5 hr of paddling yesterday in 5°C weather here. Off the bat, despite the skinny T handle, BP paddle feels sturdier at the blade joint. The hexagonal coupling is their solution to reduce the wobble normally found on most travel paddles. (I'm tempted to hot-glue these joints sometimes!) The carbon12 bumpy shaft finish feels better to the hand too compared to QB gloss finish. Will have to have more time with it. So far so good.
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Post by: spirit4earth on February 15, 2016, 11:42:40 AM
Post by: Quickbeam on February 15, 2016, 04:47:46 PM
Okay, I'm definitely going to get a Werner Trance 85. The 2-piece adjustable weighs 19.25 ounces, and the 3-piece adjustable weighs 21.5 ounces. I'd like to get the 3-piece because the 2-piece is actually pretty long, even for putting in the car. However, I'm wondering how much difference 2.25 ounces will make for flatwater paddling. What do you folks think?
I don't know the actual weights off the top of my head, but my main paddle last year was the three piece Nitro (the predecessor to the Trance) with the medium blade. I quite liked the paddle, but decided early this year to get the one piece Trance 85. I haven't used the new paddle a lot, as I haven't been able to paddle a lot in the new year. But the few times I have used it, the weight difference is quite noticeable.
Post by: spirit4earth on February 15, 2016, 05:04:00 PM
From a 3-piece to a 1-piece would be a pretty significant weight drop. I can't go with a 1-piece because I like to change the length. The 2-piece adjustable Nitro S that I had felt really light to me; I just don't know if 2.25 ounces makes that big a difference. I could get a 2-piece Trance, but it sure is long.Okay, I'm definitely going to get a Werner Trance 85. The 2-piece adjustable weighs 19.25 ounces, and the 3-piece adjustable weighs 21.5 ounces. I'd like to get the 3-piece because the 2-piece is actually pretty long, even for putting in the car. However, I'm wondering how much difference 2.25 ounces will make for flatwater paddling. What do you folks think?
I don't know the actual weights off the top of my head, but my main paddle last year was the three piece Nitro (the predecessor to the Trance) with the medium blade. I quite liked the paddle, but decided early this year to get the one piece Trance 85. I haven't used the new paddle a lot, as I haven't been able to paddle a lot in the new year. But the few times I have used it, the weight difference is quite noticeable.
Post by: greatdane on February 15, 2016, 05:37:17 PM
Post by: spirit4earth on February 15, 2016, 07:01:33 PM
I like my Kialoa Insanity adjustable 3-piece. I wouldn't race with it, but it's flown to Hawaii with me twice for surfing my iSUP. Total length broken down is around 40". Their integrated cam-lock in the palm grip is pretty slick, doesn't rattle & doesn't budge once clamped down.I'll check that one out, too!
Post by: SternaSUP on February 21, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Post by: spirit4earth on February 21, 2016, 04:47:18 PM
We've got two of the older Werner 3 piece travel paddles. Dian has the Nitro (735g) and I've got the Fuse (765g). Best feature is that they can be jammed into the duffles with the Uli's for travel. We like them just fine for flatwater.Sounds good. I think I'll go with the 3-piece, though I like the slight weight advantage of a 2-piece.
Post by: SG50SUP on May 21, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
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