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General => The Shape Shack => Topic started by: surfcowboy on June 07, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
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Here goes nothing, my first build thread.
This first batch of pics are the unboxing shots for those of you who may never have gotten a CNC'd board. (I hadn't.) It's cool to see it from Shape3D to the stands. I blurred the paper order just to protect my anonymous shape donor.
Otherwise, this is the start of the 7'6" X 29" 91L first build. I'll post more pics later, when I can. The status today is that the blank is sanded and spackled and I'm working on art and paint. I also have some new tool templates to post so I'll try to get that up later.
I've been taking my time and have learned that patience is key. That is said over and over here and on swaylock's but I can't stress it enough. I'm trying to remember that I'm learning to build boards. That's the outcome, not the actual board and that helps. For instance, yesterday I took 3 hours just making templates and practicing putting in handles on scrap foam. I'm really digging the process.
As to budget, with this being the first and having to buy some starter parts I'll be around $600-$700 in materials, but I had a lot of the tools. This is not a cheap way to get a board, for sure. I'm assuming that when done, if you billed me at my standard professional rate this Simmons will have cost about $15,000. lol
If you're wondering, my shape donor has asked to remain anonymous but the design is really L41's S1. It should be forgiving and fun and is a great first shape to tackle. I'm proud that I've managed to get it smoothed out while not sanding all the "good" out of it. ;)
Enjoy and I'll post more soon.
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That's absolutely badass, cowboy! And your pics are great! Love the thinned out rails! You have a terrific looking shape. And hey, you never count your time. It's a labor of LOVE....just make sure that's what you tell your wife. And the next will cost half as much. Please keep us posted and keep the pics coming!
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Shape'm Cowboy!
You're on your way dude. Time to get that shop messy. The back yard works too. Sometimes when the blank sits around, because you don't always have time to keep it moving forward. It can get dinged up because the eps dents easy. In case this happens, here's a little fix to keep in mind. http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,19994.msg196691/topicseen.html#msg196691
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Thanks for that, TD. I missed that one. And the carry in and out before glassing is the most dinged up my boards get often times. I'll put that one to good use.
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Okay man, got my popcorn ready...
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I've been making decent progress but really geeking out on little stuff. And Then there that work and life thing that we all have going. ;)
I've made a new routing template for using my ProBox install bit to set FCS leash plugs. I'll post that up.
Also I took an evening to get my graphics going. I'm using my vinyl cutter to mask my paint and putting on some gfx. So many small things to learn to do. Lots of test cuts in scrap foam too.
One weird thing is the handle placement. I put my fins and boxes on the tail just for weight and the balance point is way far back. After studying some pics online, I'm cheating it up a few inches and if it's a little tail heavy I'll live. Balance point was like 6" back from center and so I split the diff.
I've got a rock and roll show tomorrow (Cheap Trick outdoors!) and then I'll probably shoot to get,paint and routes done Friday night so I could glass Sat. Fingers crossed! The GoPro is on so pics are still coming. I'll also video some of the routing as that's never captured it seems.
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Personly I always leave the handle till very last and just put a patch over it, there is nothing worse than spending all that time building the board and then have it not balanced. Do like you said and sit the fins in and any deck pad or tail pad on there and get it perfect! it only adds a small amour of time to do it after glassing
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Personly I always leave the handle till very last and just put a patch over it, there is nothing worse than spending all that time building the board and then have it not balanced. Do like you said and sit the fins in and any deck pad or tail pad on there and get it perfect! it only adds a small amour of time to do it after glassing
Yeah, handle off balance is a PITA if you have to carry your board any distance. I wait and install mine with the last layer of glass. I'd think twice before fudging it back toward center. And of course, you must take into account the overall feng shui of your project. :D
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Good idea and I'm going to remember that when I make my board! :) (I'd lay the leash on the tail too.) Do you do the leash plug and vent after glassing too?
Personly I always leave the handle till very last and just put a patch over it, there is nothing worse than spending all that time building the board and then have it not balanced. Do like you said and sit the fins in and any deck pad or tail pad on there and get it perfect! it only adds a small amour of time to do it after glassing
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yes i do them all after glassing and fill coat it just make glassing a lot simpler when you don't have to worry about all the extras when you are doing big boards
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I'll live to regret it I'm sure but they're in and clean so there's that.
I chose progress and at this weight I don't think the balance will bug me much. I've been toting around 26lbs.
I'll have pics up tomorrow. This thing is still fun. UK, I see why you guys do this.
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Okay man, got my popcorn ready...
+1
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2 - prep
Ok, so here are some shots from the final sanding and prep (and my crazy garage.) It's so hard to call it "done." That's the thing that I learned from this stage. Sanding is wild, EPS goes so quickly, I moved to higher grits and beyond taking down the rough ridges, I did the whole thing with 150 and 220. 220 yielded a finish that took the spackle really well and looks great under the glass.
If you're home building, afternoon sun and shade is your friend but in the end, I put some work lights on my benches. (Next build I get them up about 5 inches.) Note my shaping stands are a chrome kitchen cart that has worked out nearly perfectly. I have other stands but these are just too good and are on rollers. I padded the handles and checked them for level and it's pretty awesome.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-2-prep/Smns-SUP-2-GOPR1542_zpsdtm3ttmp.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-2-prep/Smns-SUP-2-GOPR1542_zpsdtm3ttmp.jpg.html)
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Here's a couple of sealing the blank. (Note: For a single board, you don't need the big tub. A little goes a long way.) Also, True Value hardware has a good white spackle these days.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-2-prep/Smns-SUP-2-GOPR1591_zpsb0sxhavx.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-2-prep/Smns-SUP-2-GOPR1591_zpsb0sxhavx.jpg.html)
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I'm gonna flow out a couple of updates here tonight so stay tuned.
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Ok, what I learned routing this beast. Templates are good. The difference between "clearly backyard" and "semi pro" is having a good template or jig. I know this now as one of my templates has one area to freehand and it was the one thing that was even a little off. (Under the pad, sure, but I try to keep it clean lol.)
I put in 2 FCS leash plugs spaced so that I can have my handle without stick on plugs. Then I placed a goretex vent (from Fiberglass Hawaii) that has a replaceable plug. I got shipped the FCS handle with the vent by mistake but I really wanted a deck vent as I just don't trust the underwater plug. (Probably paranoid.) The extra trouble will hopefully be worth it. The handle is the $8-$10 Futures model.
Ok, now, to the pics. First up is my template for cutting & routing leash plugs in. Note that in the shot of me routing there's now a new hole in the template as the one I made first was a bit too small for the FCS plugs. The holes without the built up mdf are for keeping your hole saw bit from skittering across the surface and ruining your glass when you're trying to put in a plug. Tape this down, mark your depth and you can rock.
One note, your ProBox install bit works great for these FCS plugs with a jig as shown. Super clean. Thanks Larry.
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And now for the vent plug. Make sure you pull out the vent plug and tape off the top well. This is my technique.
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Next, route the handle with the home-made template that I posted about in the other thread. Seemed to work ok, the corners were hard and I had to freehand them (working on that) but the lines were straight and that was worth the effort to build it.
I offset the handle about 2 inches from the carbon strip, but I'm a little concerned about cutting the strip out around the vent plug. I don't want to lay glass over it and grind it off as I don't think I can get the 3" stripe to lay smoothly over the plug without cutting it out. I'm thinking I'll slit it and just let the excess stick up til after the resin sets a bit and then trim it with a razor. We shall see.
A note about epoxy. The long kick time is great as you can mix up one batch and do all your inserts without drama.
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Ok, ok, so this is a little out of order. Note the vent plug still out.
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These things suck up some resin. I had to flow over the flange a couple of times and it still had dimples I'll fill right before glassing over it.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-3-routing/Smns-SUP-3-GOPR1629-07_zps1wdykmxb.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-3-routing/Smns-SUP-3-GOPR1629-07_zps1wdykmxb.jpg.html)
When talking time to build this thing, I have to note that I've probably spent the better part of 2 days of time (16 hours) on templates and jigs and tools but it's made the actual work way easier. I was so concerned about routing into my perfect new blank and in the end, it was a non-issue. It's really not worth the chance of free handing and ruining the prep in my opinion.
Starting from scratch, this board will probably take me $1000 in tools, consumables and materials ($500-$600 on the board materials. I had a lot of the tools & consumables already.) And I'm going to roughly say 60-100 man-hours, but the time on the next one will probably drop to less than half that with the next going down even more as I learn each step. Materials cost is probably stable as I won't likely buy in bulk ever.
Again, I can't say it enough, if you are doing this to save money, it really only ever works out if you consider making all your boards. I'm committed to building a quiver of things and experimenting on myself and I have to say, as a hobby, building these things is really fun. Once I'm over the push to get this one done, I'll probably leave a project in the garage to goof off on. (I have some lumber glued up for more handplanes now.)
There's been a ton of "measure 8 times, cut once" on this build. It's been 4 weeks so far and I'm still havng fun. If I make it through the sanding, I'll be doing another I'm sure.
Again, thanks to all of the guys here for helping out and to the pros encouraging us backyarders.
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Cool, man! Glad you're digging the project. And just so you know, deck plugs are full of water all the time too. ;)
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Ok, now for some paint.
I used my vinyl cutter to cut out vector art that I put together in Adobe Illustrator. You could get a guy at the mall or wherever to make these stencils for you. Think the art through a bit, as it can be a hassle to lay down if you are a first timer. I kept it simple and taped things together where they would be loose. Also make sure you gently go over the edges with light finger pressure a few times to make sure your edges are down well.
I used craft acrylic with a foam brush to dab on the black. I went straight on the spackle, no white base needed. The paint went on thin and dried fast. I let the paint dry completely before pulling the stencil. However, don't let the vinyl sit on the board too long, it can pull on your foam if the adhesive is too aggressive.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1643_zpskkdcphsr.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1643_zpskkdcphsr.jpg.html)
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(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-2015-06-13%2013.52.59_zpsngkv5raa.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-2015-06-13%2013.52.59_zpsngkv5raa.jpg.html)
Nice shot of my fake stringer tape line that I use to keep things in line and symmetrical when finish sanding.
And here's a shot of the vinyl cut for the bottom.
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(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1814_zpsxxzouzde.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1814_zpsxxzouzde.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1818_zpsneuwtxwz.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1818_zpsneuwtxwz.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1885_zpspekuigsi.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1885_zpspekuigsi.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1932_zps5yjc93i4.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-GOPR1932_zps5yjc93i4.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-2015-06-13%2017.30.03_zpsxgh5uj7f.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-4-art/Smns-SUP-4-2015-06-13%2017.30.03_zpsxgh5uj7f.jpg.html)
And here's the bottom done with a temp placement of the carbon strip to see how it all lines up. I'll post glassing shots next.
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Thanks for the updates Cowboy! Been looking forward to them...
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Man Cowboy, your board is looking cool! Love the graphics!
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Ok and then we glassed. (Status, I'm about to hot coat tonight, but my social media is way behind. lol)
First let me say that setting up a GoPro on a 30 second timer is an easy way to get pics of your build. I wish more folks would do that. I just ran through them and pulled something interesting every so often.
These pics are here to show as much what not to do as what to do and also, how wrong you can go and still sand it out. I'm on my way to a decent first board and I used to get so worried about how it looked along the way. You can sand it out or do it over, is what I've learned. And, as you get better, you sand less and do less things twice. My buddy came over and helped and without him I wouldn't have gotten it all done in time. These show the wad of glass that we came in with and then shows us lifting it and getting it straight. The second time (deck lam) we rolled it on a pool noodle and it was nearly effortless. The less you mess with it, the prettier it lays down.
Another learning thing, less relief cuts. I didn't need as many cuts although I have now gotten my tail corners pretty clean after the hand planes and this one. Each one gets better, ugh, I hate even saying it now. ;)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2034_zpsnxi0ky0x.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2034_zpsnxi0ky0x.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2087_zps6fyl6027.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2087_zps6fyl6027.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2088_zpsp1d8dk1l.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2088_zpsp1d8dk1l.jpg.html)
Dude, what have we done? This is unfixable!
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2093_zpsbztj4fhh.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2093_zpsbztj4fhh.jpg.html)
Relax, you can just pick it up and straighten it.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2100_zpsxqerrd60.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2100_zpsxqerrd60.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2105_zpswncwpv71.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2105_zpswncwpv71.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2103_zpsfykf9oj7.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2103_zpsfykf9oj7.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2108_zps59ez8f5g.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2108_zps59ez8f5g.jpg.html)
There, so much better.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2111_zpspw6asd0x.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2111_zpspw6asd0x.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2115_zpsgrsujzd1.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2115_zpsgrsujzd1.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2116_zpsmxrbmdol.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2116_zpsmxrbmdol.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2128_zpsfoy1lpmv.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2128_zpsfoy1lpmv.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2186_zpsrxxun0k3.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-GOPR2186_zpsrxxun0k3.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.38.04_zpsffn6sjvb.jpg)
(http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.38.04_zpsffn6sjvb.jpg.html)
Now I see why people cut these short almost before the ends, but once you lap them, it's pretty cool looking. Next one I'll try cutting short.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.37.54_zps5hen8zfd.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.37.54_zps5hen8zfd.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.38.20_zpslqx0jpkd.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.38.20_zpslqx0jpkd.jpg.html)
And that mark on the left? That's magic marker. I marked my wet out table to board length... do not do that! I rolled it and got like three of those faded dark spots. (I'll live.) That and the bugs are the worst of it but I also learned, no setting things on the board while laminating (seems obvious now, doh!) I got a couple of nice cup bottom rings in the glass but thankfully they are under the pad.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.39.47_zpsonfpujx0.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-5-glassing/Smns-SUP-5-2015-06-14%2009.39.47_zpsonfpujx0.jpg.html)
Check the wet out table thread for more on this part. It's 11.3 Lbs as it stands and I'm on track for under 15lbs if I can keep the hot coats thin. Now off to try Biggreen's cheater coat tip tonight. Here's to fast resin and glassy hot coats.
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Damn Cowboy. Your first board looks far better than any of mine! Great job and terrific thread. Good on you for giving us the whole enchilada. Love it all!
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I am the supthecreek of home builders. ;)
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SC--I'm sure for every comment you get, and for everyone with shaping skills whose attention you've already got, there must be dozens of people like me without skills but who have loved watching your board progress, and also are pretty much blown away from seeing you go from asking the most basic questions not too long ago, to creating this board. You should be proud. Can't wait to see you in the water on it.
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Double leash plugs. Did you know Wardog invented the double leash plug. He was the first one. It's a great story. It dates back to George Greenough.
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Wait, JD and PDX just switched places.
JD, I 'm paying a royalty on those plugs. But honestly, if I'd gotten to hang around GG you would never hear the end of it.
PDX, this board is a product of the Zone's hive mind. Thank you for noticing the work and study I've put in. And yes, it's been a long road from "what's a ding?" to this. So many people have offered ideas and encouragement. Every bit helps. Things go wrong, things go right, but in the end I get to catch waves this summer on a thing I built and along the way I've learned so much about how boards work.
All the builders here are so generous with their knowledge it's really shortened my learning curve. i cannot imagine doing this before the Internet. It's would have taken me 10 boards to get to this point. Swaylocks was a great source but the Zone is really nurturing and you feel like every one is pulling for you (and patiently answering your boneheaded questions.)
One side is hot coated, bottom is tomorrow and then a lot of sanding and some fins but it looks like a surfboard now.
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looking great! very lucky to have a second pair of hands to help you out it makes all the difference. I have found myself a two coat hot coat to give the best results, put a very thin one down to start and let it start to gel then do a final coat on top and that seams to help with any surface contamination, it also make the second coat easier to brush out and you don't use any more resin than a one coat hot coat.
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UK, that's exactly what I did. Laid out 4oz super thin and scraped it all back up with squeegee. Then 15 or 20 min later (fast resin) I laid out my "real" one with a brush. Best hot coat I've ever gotten.
I'm still going to have to do a super thin finish coat (just first timer waves and bumps) but I know know I can get to a single great HC with some practice.
I've seen that there are some dry spots and such in the lam so I'm being paranoid to avoid leaks. I'll pick up another pound probably but it'll be worth it to be safe.
Might have to get an aquarium pump and test for leaks after I'm done. That should make for a crazy fun thread too. Ha!
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sounds good the easiest way to prevent pin air is just always make sure the temps are falling when you do your glassing and hot coats. I normally make sure I heat the room up with the blank in there all day then turn of the heat and wait a hour or two and watch the thermometer drop and then hot coat last thing in the day. this also prevents disturbing any dust ect in the work area. (the board will continue to gas out for a hour or two after the heating has gone off)
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Oh man, I tried! I waited as late as I could but it's been hot at night here too. (95º during the day and 80º til like 9pm.)
I learned that one on the handplanes. I don't think I have any issues but might as well be sure ya know? Next board I hope to get our usual 20-30º temp difference so I can let that thing suck in some resin.
I'm headed across the pond to the UK next week (work in London) so I'll get to sample some of that sweet summer UK weather.
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As long as it's not rising and the blank had time to adjust on each step you should be fine. If your in the uk and have any spare time your welcome to drop by here I'm about a hour south of London, there is allso a big beach festaval on here next weekend in Brighton
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Oh hell, Cowboy. You need to go visit Charlie. That'd be cool to see his set-up! Maybe get a board CNC'd and bring it back to your old buddy Green ;D
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Ok, Charlie I'm gonna PM you. I'd love to grab a train down. I'm booked pretty tight (coming in Sunday afternoon) but if I get skunked on a meeting or two and I can grab an afternoon train I might try to come say hi. It's light really late these days.
I never get out of town when I'm over there and the South looks amazing. The train from Gatwick (at least) is cheap. (Americans are easy to impress with mass transit, especially us in SoCal.)
BG, I'll just throw you a 14' in my carry on. ;)
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Really fun to watch this thread develop and see the input from so many cool people..... pure Zone magic!
Awesome results so far, Cowboy..... it looks great!
fun to document the process huh? ;)
Make it happen in Charlieland...
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BG, I'll just throw you a 14' in my carry on. ;)
You know, Cowboy. I don't care what your wife says about you. :D I think you're aces. And no worries, I don't see any way in hell they'll notice you carrying on something 14' long. Have a safe trip and get us a selfie of you and Charlie.
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I just started following this thread. It is interesting. I had always visualized Cowboy as wearing a Stetson, not looking like a hippie professor.
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Cheat, y'all just see me in beach wear. Trust me, I get my cowboy on. Half my family are rodeo riders and my Dad runs a 21,000 acre ranch down in Texas. But surfing's way more fun. Although as I think of it, waves and bulls do both have a way of kicking you when you're down and refusing to let you up sometimes.
Creek, you inspired me to shoot more pics. The GoPro is the way to go for a project.
Just finished the bottom hot coat. Now let's sand it a little and see how it looks.
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Ok, Charlie I'm gonna PM you. I'd love to grab a train down. I'm booked pretty tight (coming in Sunday afternoon) but if I get skunked on a meeting or two and I can grab an afternoon train I might try to come say hi. It's light really late these days.
I never get out of town when I'm over there and the South looks amazing. The train from Gatwick (at least) is cheap. (Americans are easy to impress with mass transit, especially us in SoCal.)
BG, I'll just throw you a 14' in my carry on. ;)
cool yea no worries I'm about 25 mins from Gatwick or about a hour from Victoria, i should be around all week so just let me know
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Your time lapse photos are really great for following the process. Thank you for taking the time to upload them.
Creek, you inspired me to shoot more pics. The GoPro is the way to go for a project.
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Been there, done that. the panicked feeling when you put the glass down and it's more wrinkles than you can possibly smooth out. Unfortunately when you lift it you separate the weave some and it makes some weak spots, but having a second person help probably reduces the weave wobbles.
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Ok, Obi Wans... I am sanding, taking it slow.
I got it to here with the power sander and have never asked this. You can see the dips and drops in the resin. Should I take it all the way down to smooth? I'm ok with sand-thru's I'm going to do a water thin "gloss" coat when I'm done, but I want to know how far down you'd normally take it.
I haven't exposed the weave except in a couple of high spots so I could go either way, fill in what's here or take it down and drop a light sealer coat of resin over it.
What is the accepted protocol here, am I far from done/into the weave? Or should I stop and fill it in?
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/F5D92DC6-D5F0-4DF1-B05A-5EC9565B88CB_zpskpernu4z.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/F5D92DC6-D5F0-4DF1-B05A-5EC9565B88CB_zpskpernu4z.jpg.html)
Although it looks "weavy" there's none exposed this is just dust on the surface that seems to follow the weave pattern (interesting physics there.)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/1CFC84C6-C631-43AC-9905-F725964A89C5_zpscykh2qbs.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/1CFC84C6-C631-43AC-9905-F725964A89C5_zpscykh2qbs.jpg.html)
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More sanding. Those high areas will go down. Make sure you change your sanding disks often even though they look unused. They are more than likely done. If you sand between layers, the ridges on your hot coat will be less. Don't try to fill the low spots with more epoxy, it will just amplify the current condition, and add more weight. Watch the heat while sanding. You may hit the glass here or there, it's not the end of the world.
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Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubKqPDKinxM
I think Robert Stehlik from Blue Planet Surf produced this video? It sure sounds like him.
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TD, just what I needed. I've seen the videos but they never really lay out how far to go. Hopefully this thread will clear up some stuff for folks who come after.
In the end, the nose laps are really the only truly ugly part I've got to deal with, the rest is passable. It does look like I have one spot on the tail rail that might have been a dry lap which I'll have to fix but I'm tempted to let it roll for now and treat it as a ding in a month or so. I'm gonna sand it and see.
That needs to be a T-shirt, "Sand it and see."
Thanks man. I messaged Charlie and I'm actually going to try to make Brighton since I don't need to be falling asleep early on Sunday evening. Crazy world man. Instead of sitting in some old guy's bay in Torrance, I've learned to build a board from people on 4 continents.
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Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubKqPDKinxM
I think Robert Stehlik from Blue Planet Surf produced this video? It sure sounds like him.
Dammit, TD. Now I'm going to have to try harder and be more conscientious. :D Guess I shouldn't tell Cowboy he's done and to ride the damn thing.
Cheat, y'all just see me in beach wear. Trust me, I get my cowboy on. Half my family are rodeo riders and my Dad runs a 21,000 acre ranch down in Texas.
Must be West Texas. Where I was born and lived a fair number of years. Out there if you don't own at least a few SECTIONS of land, you're just considered a squatter.
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BG, it's East Texas but the owner owned an airline and has a few wells on the land so buying land ain't no big deal lol.
Man I went back out and sanded a half pound off of it and it's better. Still got a lot of tiny dips but no where near where we were. It wild how much you can sand off a hot coat and not hit glass.
Oh and don't worry BG, this board has laps that only a mother could love lol. I had to leave something ugly. Speaking of, I'm not sure what happened but the bottom is really white whereas the deck is pretty greenish almost like volan. I'm thinking it's the resin saturation but it's weird.
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Thanks TD... I saved that sanding vid to my "repair" folder!
Nice "play by play" cowboy..... it takes a newbie to vocalize all the questions other newbies have.
My first trip across country in the early 70's, I stopped for a weekend at my buddy's cattle ranch in East Texas.
I ended up staying a month! I had a blast.
His nickname was and still is "Cowboy" ;D ;D
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Wow, what a great video, and who would have thought that they cut their own discs out of sheets of sandpaper. That would be so much cheaper than buying expensive discs. Saved to Evernote. Thanks!
Do you think that's regular contact cement in the squeeze bottle?
Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubKqPDKinxM
I think Robert Stehlik from Blue Planet Surf produced this video? It sure sounds like him.
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Ok so there are no pictures but I ran down to Brighton today to meet up with SupUK.
His CNC rig is as amazing as you'd think. It could probably hold a 16 or 17' blank. It had a 14 on it and it looked like a 12'6".
We got to hang and talk boards (and answer all my questions) and it was cool to see and hold the boards that he's posted here. His progression is obvious when you hold the boards. His resin work is even better than you can see from the pics.
Thanks for the hospitality man.
Next time, I'll try to bring a wetsuit and paddle. Makes me want to go home and build a quiver.
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The lack of a commemorative 'selfie' is really disappointing. It makes it way harder for us to live vicariously through you. I mean, you could have taped a GoPro to a paddle or asked somebody or something...
That's all teasing. Good on both of you for making real live international human connection! I hope the work part of your trip goes well too.
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I'm smiling..... it somehow very cool when Zoners meet up in far away places.(at least for one of them)
It shows the power of the Zone to bring like minded people together.
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Ok so there are no pictures but I ran down to Brighton today to meet up with SupUK.
His CNC rig is as amazing as you'd think. It could probably hold a 16 or 17' blank. It had a 14 on it and it looked like a 12'6".
We got to hang and talk boards (and answer all my questions) and it was cool to see and hold the boards that he's posted here. His progression is obvious when you hold the boards. His resin work is even better than you can see from the pics.
Thanks for the hospitality man.
Next time, I'll try to bring a wetsuit and paddle. Makes me want to go home and build a quiver.
Glad you could make it down it was great to meet you. enjoy the good weather and look forward to seeing the finished board!
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That's just too cool you guys met up. I'll bet it was cool to see how far Charlie has come and get to talk shop. Way to go guys.
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Lookin like you are knowing ur stuff over there, Cowboy! Proud papa to be!
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Cook, thank you.
And yeah, Charlie being off on his own and maybe not affected as much by a drive to be a huge brand right away has put him in a neat place to have some original ideas and test things out. The progression of his boards was really visible.
I can't wait to see this new fish done I think it's going to be crazy cool.
I gotta get some sleep, catch a long plane and finish mine off!
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Safe trip home, Cowboy. Can't wait to see the finished product and get a ride report. Then it'll be time to start a new one and another thread, right?
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Green, as I sanded it today I was thinking, BG says I could just ride this. Lol
I'm gonna hot coat again tonight and in the am so we will see. And oh yeah, I'm gonna do a couple of shot boards for buddies to get my skills up without a lot of area to cover and then start on either my winter step up or a Linter style true longboard SUP. Decisions decisions. ;)
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Oquick update on sanding.
Learn tomuse your power tools, even if you ,eps up a few times, it's worth it in the long run. If you're doing more than one board it makes a huge time difference.
Also, hand or power, grit is your friend. I consistently started too high. When I took my fill coat down I eventually went down to 80 and 100 grit and had it flat in a minute or two. Once I was done with hot coat 220 is where I started and using fresh paper, just swap it more than you think like TallDude says, I finished it up nicely with no real sand throughs. We will see today when I finish it up I might have a couple but again, no big deal.
I did my rails by hand and started at 120-150 with a small foam pad and then went to 220.
It's really not been that bad and once you get one side done, the second is so much easier. I'll have more pics later today or tomorrow. Fins and final sanding and a pad and it's done. I hope to get it into the water next weekend. But for now, gotta go catch a few.
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Ok, the sanding goes on. So on the advice of the board I took the first hotcoat (really a filler coat) down as flat as I could and as you can see, it paid off in the hot coat.
This first shot is the state of the sanding when I put the hot coat on.
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And here's what came back. One bad spot where I couldn't walk away and kept brushing. Hear me now, walk away. ;)
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(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-05%2021.47.55_zpsw2bucdma.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-05%2021.47.55_zpsw2bucdma.jpg.html)
And then it was time to take the grinder to the vent, plugs and handle. The finest Harbor Freight. Note that this is not the pad to sand with, I have a Yellow pad for sanding. This is my 60 grit grinder pad. Also, this is the wrong sander though I've made it work. This one has no trigger so it's crazy to start and stop.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.50.09_zpsfas2gfbr.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.50.09_zpsfas2gfbr.jpg.html)
The handle came out cool and I stopped before cutting into the glass.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.45.25_zps4gz2rjil.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.45.25_zps4gz2rjil.jpg.html)
For the plugs, I taped around them to keep me from digging into the glass but I probably have my feel for the grinder now so I might not need to do this anymore.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.44.57_zps5bmpw0tw.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.44.57_zps5bmpw0tw.jpg.html)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.44.53_zpsnnpvvqyz.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2019.44.53_zpsnnpvvqyz.jpg.html)
Oh, and I have kind of been waiting to mention this. If the shape looked really good and close to an S1, it's because it is.
The file was donated by the man himself, Kirk McGinty from L41.
In what was maybe the coolest way to stoke out a new builder he reached out to me after seeing my post and offered up the perfect shape for what I wanted to ride and for my first build.
If you want one of these without the 100 hours of learning curve, hit him up. I promise the glass job will be way better. ;)
So yeah, I wanted to take my time and not f^&k it up. ;) Thank you Kirk.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2020.16.30_zpsddy0yh2x.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons-6-finishing/2015-07-07%2020.16.30_zpsddy0yh2x.jpg.html)
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Great job. Mine hasn't quite go as well as that :)
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Karl, you're seeing the output of a lot of re-doing and testing. I got to wreck some hot coats on some little handplanes and then tune it before I was blowing 8oz at a time. ;)
The cheater coat and scrape off trick has changed my life. Now, to go measure those fins.
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What is the "cheater coat and scrape off trick" you mentioned?
The cheater coat and scrape off trick has changed my life. Now, to go measure those fins.
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Lol I hesitate to mention it again. It's been passed around so many times. It's from Swaylocks and I think BigGreen brought it over to the hot coat thread.
Pour out a couple of oz. squeegee it on and then all off, wait say 10-15 min and then hot coat. Read up on it, it's rad.
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Was this squeegee on and then off procedure discussed in this thread? http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,26083.0.html
Lol I hesitate to mention it again. It's been passed around so many times. It's from Swaylocks and I think BigGreen brought it over to the hot coat thread.
Pour out a couple of oz. squeegee it on and then all off, wait say 10-15 min and then hot coat. Read up on it, it's rad.
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That's it. And while we're at it... fins.
I've taken the advice of some wise men and the rear fins are 6" off the tail. I've done the toe in based on a 4.5" distance so it's less (I did it with the shapers marks at 4" first and they seemed, and were, steeper.)
They are toed 1/4" and 3/16" and I am posting for feedback, I haven't compared these to other pics online (headed to do that now) but they seem really toed in. Then again, I'm a newb. I've measured 3 times and from every angle but I'd love some feedback before I route.
I'm not ready to do it on this board but someday I really want to try the zero toe thing that was put forth by Von Piros. I can already sense a serious Frankenstein project coming in my future. Maybe I'll convert my bigger board to ProBox and do it on that to speed it up. Hm...
To those that know, does the placement look solid?
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If that's the same placement that Kurt recommends then it seems that most are okay with it. Me, I think the back fins are way too far back relative to the front fins for everything below head high. It would be really nice if the back fin boxes would allow 1" fore and aft movement and then put a 5th box for a Darcdriver or Nubster for bigger waves.
To those that know, does the placement look solid?
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You know, it wasn't until Magenta pointed it out that I noticed, but isn't your fin spread more along the Robin Mair lines, Cowboy? I think all looks ok, but I really have no business in this matter.
I would, however, like to thank you Cowboy for such a great thread. It's been a pleasure to follow. And if you don't mind I'd like to suggest you pick another shape so you can start a new one! :D
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YES, what he said! ;D
I would, however, like to thank you Cowboy for such a great thread. It's been a pleasure to follow. And if you don't mind I'd like to suggest you pick another shape so you can start a new one! :D
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I was more concerned about the toe in. I'm following direction and also I'm probably going to run this as a twin in smaller surf. BG, my next set of builds will probably be fins for this baby, I want a few including some large keels and big rear traditional fins.
Magenta, the ProBox will let me slide them forward and back a bit so I have some room. I'm gonna go peep some board shots online and compare the spacing but I suspect the extra room is to give drive to this big skateboard. ;)
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Fin boxes are in. Man the ProBox install is really easy. Pics to come but Larry and those guys really made it dead simple. Grind em down tomorrow and then take it to my buddies pool to stand on it and see how far up I need to run the pad. Don't wanna have more rubber on this thing than I need. I think I'm a day or two away from being able to surf this thing. Wow.
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You can save some weight if you do a pattern with little pieces like Casso did in this video. My second standup had a deckpad like that and it worked great and was probably half the weight of a full pad.
https://vimeo.com/39097920
Fin boxes are in. Man the ProBox install is really easy. Pics to come but Larry and those guys really made it dead simple. Grind em down tomorrow and then take it to my buddies pool to stand on it and see how far up I need to run the pad. Don't wanna have more rubber on this thing than I need. I think I'm a day or two away from being able to surf this thing. Wow.
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I know it's too late but this is Mo Freitas and this is the fin configuration I was thinking of. Notice how the back fins are closer to the front fins? It will make the board more pivoty which is what you want in small waves but an FCS plug in the tail for a nubster would calm it down in bigger waves.
Notice how he can carry it like a regular surfboard? Crazy, but that's what you get with 24" wide sups!
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I totally get the tight cluster. Seems like you'd need it more with that tail style but we will see.
I put my board in a buddy's pool tonight to test how far up to put the pad and I can say that turning will not be an issue for me coming off of a 9'0". ;)
I'm stoked to get it out this weekend. But, one question as I've always had painted boards. Do I need to seal the sanded finish or am I good to go?
I got some weird water marks tonight on the black parts of the board but the epoxy is solid with no sand throughs. Is this why people put acrylic floor sealer on sanded boards?
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If it's sealed then I'd surf it as is or you can make it smoother by wet sanding with finer wet or dry paper all the way up to 600 if you want. The nice thing about wet sanding with finer paper is that it won't attract dirty stuff as much. I think acrylic floor sealer like Mop and Glow is used it to make the sanded boards look prettier in the shop but I don't know if it actually seals anything. It will be interesting to see what others say about that stuff.
But, one question as I've always had painted boards. Do I need to seal the sanded finish or am I good to go?
I got some weird water marks tonight on the black parts of the board but the epoxy is solid with no sand throughs. Is this why people put acrylic floor sealer on sanded boards?
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Cool, thanks Magenta, you've been a champ through this.
I'm gonna take it to 400 or 600, the color doesn't need a shine but I can see it being cleaner at higher grit.
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Ok the last set of pics. Sorry for the lag, I literally couldn't face the work of posting. lol
Here's the last few items. I found that they don't really make a kick pad that's 15" wide so I had to pull a trick from SUPUK again and get some L400 EVA and make a kicker under my bulletproof surf (Amazon.com) pad. You can see here that I couldn't even leave that easy as I laminated three pieces to get the white stripe in the back. I spray tacked it to a board so I could sand it and clamped my high quality Harbor Freight sander to a shaping stand and went to town making it an angle. Before I sanded I rough cut it with a razor knife so I didn't pollute the world with a ton of eva dust.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons%20-%207%20-%20finish%20up/2015-07-17%2020.06.22_zpsxabeaj07.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons%20-%207%20-%20finish%20up/2015-07-17%2020.06.22_zpsxabeaj07.jpg.html)
Sweet sander dude. Hecho in India.
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Here it is. I masked off the board and spray tacked it down.
Here's the Deck Pad and Kick pad install process. (This line included so the google search will bring other backyarders to this.
Lay out the deck pad and masking tape it to the deck with the backing still on to check position and cuts.
Lift the front end of the pads and cut the backing half way with a razor so the adhesive is exposed towards the nose but still on at the tail end.
Lightly and slowly lay the pad down from middle to nose end, checking for bubbles carefully.
Then once this is done the pad is in place and you can remove the masking tape holding the tail end down.
Lift the pad back and mask off the board so you can place the EVA kicker.
Test fit the kicker and the mask around it carefully.
Spray the kicker and the board deck with 77 spray and stick the kicker in place.
Remove the backing from the tail end of the pad (that has been taped or propped back/up out of the way.
Smooth the deck pad from the middle back towards the kicker.
Then carefully check alignment and stick the deck pad to the kicker.
Trim to shape, if needed, with a razor.
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Then I masked off the nose and applied 4 light coats of Monster Paint. You need this on a short SUP as you will be perched here to get the board to drop in in all but the most hollow of waves in my experience. Also, these things nose ride really well. (who knew?)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/cowboysurf/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons%20-%207%20-%20finish%20up/2015-07-19%2015.02.49_zps84wux69c.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/cowboysurf/media/First%20Build%20Simmons%20SUP/1st%20Build%20Simmons%20-%207%20-%20finish%20up/2015-07-19%2015.02.49_zps84wux69c.jpg.html)
Finally, a fuzzy pic of the whole thing. I'll post some more soon as I really need a full photo shoot on the beach.
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I'm calling this thing done but truthfully, I had to cover some sand through spots and other imperfections on the bottom that I still haven't fully sanded down. The top is to 600 and I can't see taking a daily driver further than that unless you have great color.
I'll pick at it here and there as I do ding repair and am home bored but I consider my first one... done. Wow.
Epilogue:
I'm calling it 100 hours for this one. I did that over about 2.5 months (10 weeks.)
I assume the next one will take about half that and I think I could get one down to maybe 30 hours by board 3 or 4. I also know that in the future I'll be building some testers/drivers and some art pieces and they will vary in time and expense.
I have around $800 US into it but I have a lot of materials left over (resin) and a few tools in that cost. Note: I had a lot of tools so as I said, don't get into making boards to save money unless you are making a quiver. (I certainly am, btw.)
If you want one of these, buy an L41 custom, from Kirk, as he's a great shaper and person and you won't get bugs in your glass job that way.
Final takeaway, there is nothing cooler than being asked "who's board is that?" at the beach and replying, "I built it."
Thank you to the Zone, Kirk @ L41, ProBoxLarry, and all the guys who pitched in on this thread and saved me hours of pain on this build. This is your board too.
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Hey I've been wondering how you were getting along with your new board. It looks GREAT and I look forward to reading your ride report too. You must be itching to get that out in the water, eh?
I have a few questions about your stomp pad/deck pad...
1) Where did you buy the L400 EVA and the deck pad material?
2) Did you make your own deck pad using that stuff they sell by the foot (NSI?) or was it an off-the-shelf pre-cut deck pad?
3) What grit did you use to sand the L400 EVA?
Thanks.
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Hey man, ride report is up, if limited in scope due to waves.
I got the L400 from foam mart in Burbank but it's all over. I just go and raid their cutoff bin. The pad was from Amazon, it's a bullet proof surf 8 piece kit that I used 6 pieces of. The tail was super narrow so I tossed it and pushed the pieces together to make the kick pad.
This kit was almost as cheap as the raw sheets from hydro turf and worked fine. If I was doing a couple of boards I might buy a sheet but this was easy.
I used 60 grit to shape it and it was fine.
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Super cool ! I just read through the whole thing, thanks for the documentation!
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Here is cowboy's ride report: http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,27937.msg292375.html#msg292375
Hey man, ride report is up, if limited in scope due to waves.