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General => Training, Diet, and Fitness => Topic started by: bbqSUPer on January 01, 2015, 07:25:50 AM
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Three years ago I discovered paddle boarding and the Primal thread. Three years and 70lbs latter I am In the best shape of my life. Went pasture raised meat and organic. Pretty much only eat meat and veggies. Of course depending on the situation would have to eat "mainstream" food.
Usually I am pretty strong during the holiday seasons. This year for what ever reason I have not been as much. I am a school teacher so from Thanksgiving on there are treats, gifts, and PTA lunches/breakfasts. In the past I would smile, say thank you, and later trash all of those baked goods that students brought in. This year I devoured them with the ferociousness of a T-rex.
I'll call it an experiment. What will happen if I eat like the average american again? Well I found out this morning. I've been saving it. I got on the scale today. I had been hovering between 170-173. Todays verdict: 190. This has pretty much been from Thanksgiving on so about 35 days.
Going to go primal hardcore again. Lets see how long it takes to get back.
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I'm getting the impression that I've misinterpretated the primal diet. Time for more research. While I'm not overweight, at 56 any help with health is welcome.
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Whoa. 20 pounds gain seems a lot from 170 lbs.
We went to a almost no gluten diet (a few exception from time to time otherwise no) 18 months ago and I dropped from 170+ back to a youthful 167-
But to me the real gain was in having more energy and not be blotted (I did not even know that I was blotted before).
If slipping, then the loss of the above is the first thing that I notice.
I guess that been New Year and all, you already have the recipe to go back to normal....so good luck.
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Any "diet" will cause you to lose weight if you take in fewer calories than you use.
Any "diet" will cause you to gain weight if you take in more calories than you use.
Once a diet is discovered that breaks the laws of Thermogenics then things will change, but not before.
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Any "diet" will cause you to lose weight if you take in fewer calories than you use.
Any "diet" will cause you to gain weight if you take in more calories than you use.
Once a diet is discovered that breaks the laws of Thermogenics then things will change, but not before.
You are absolutely correct. Diets don't work. It was a lifestyle change. It's not rocket science. By only generally eating meat and veggies it is pretty easy to not take in more calories than you use. The added bonus is you generally feel better and are more heathy. Again kind of a duh statement.
My point of this is not saying there is a "diet" that breaks the laws of Thermogenics. More that if you eat what your body naturally was intended to eat at appropriate servings, you will most likely not be overweight.
I'm getting the impression that I've misinterpretated the primal diet. Time for more research. While I'm not overweight, at 56 any help with health is welcome.
I don't get over the top with it. Try to stick to mostly naturally occurring food. I'm not into trying to bake paleo great or deserts and such. I just don't eat them. And when I do splurge I just go for the real deal and get it out of my system.
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100 calories from high fructose corn syrup has many different effects than
100 calories from a good fat.
They maybe "equal" in strict terms of calories but they are far from the same in
terms of their effects on your body.
Fat satiates but sugars (crappy carbs) above a certain small amount per meal
stoke your hunger and mess up your hormones.
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Go go bbq.... best thing about primal is food sourcing... much healthier choices.
My problem is trying to buy SUP's with my food money.... it's really hard to eat the best "source food", if you blow the budget on floaty things ;D
Plus everything organic has gone through the roof.... but I'm not getting a job.... I'll just paddle instead of lunch.
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100 calories from high fructose corn syrup has many different effects than
100 calories from a good fat.
They maybe "equal" in strict terms of calories but they are far from the same in
terms of their effects on your body.
Fat satiates but sugars (crappy carbs) above a certain small amount per meal
stoke your hunger and mess up your hormones.
Crap. Reeses Pieces, Skittles, and Coke (cola ::)) ain't gonna get it? What's the use... :(
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100 calories from high fructose corn syrup has many different effects than
100 calories from a good fat.
They maybe "equal" in strict terms of calories but they are far from the same in
terms of their effects on your body.
Fat satiates but sugars (crappy carbs) above a certain small amount per meal
stoke your hunger and mess up your hormones.
Crap. Reeses Pieces, Skittles, and Coke (cola ::)) ain't gonna get it? What's the use... :(
Even excess carbs from fruits! (and, grains) - ugh.
As for paleo, a million years ago an apple had 5 grams of sugar not the 25 grams of sugar
it has today - its been "genetically modified" over the last few hundred years,
not by gene splicing or whatever, but by selective breeding/growing, etc.
Even on "paleo" it is easy to get too many crappy carbs.
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My diet changes are slow to come and become entrenched deeply. The older I get the more I notice diet affecting me.
Soooooo many opinions.
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100 calories from high fructose corn syrup has many different effects than
100 calories from a good fat.
They maybe "equal" in strict terms of calories but they are far from the same in
terms of their effects on your body.
Fat satiates but sugars (crappy carbs) above a certain small amount per meal
stoke your hunger and mess up your hormones.
Exactly. One of the most noticeable things to me has been my increased energy. I am way more productive at work. I'm also off of two medications I was on.
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100 calories from high fructose corn syrup has many different effects than
100 calories from a good fat.
They maybe "equal" in strict terms of calories but they are far from the same in
terms of their effects on your body.
Fat satiates but sugars (crappy carbs) above a certain small amount per meal
stoke your hunger and mess up your hormones.
Exactly. One of the most noticeable things to me has been my increased energy. I am way more productive at work. I'm also off of two medications I was on.
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That got my attention. Always looking for a more natural way. I'm a tough case though.
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I need to reach down deep and find the willpower. I watched firsthand what happened with creek.....incredible shrinking man. I also talked it up to a friend/co-worker who embraced it big time. He's a runner, lots of marathons but has very bad rheumatoid arthritis.....RA meds were raising havoc with his immune system, two major infections with a week on IV antibiotics in a year, and he was afraid all the ibuprofen was eating his liver. He was having so many issues he couldn't run. Went paleo....he's managing his RA with 400 mg of Ibuprofen a couple times a day now and back on the marathon circuit.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
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Yes, bbqSupper, I feel your pain!! I am a teacher too. I do pretty good all year until the period from Thanksgiving to Christmas when kids and parents bring me all kinds of homemade baked things and candy. I was resisting it and then I fell off the wagon, now I have to detox from sugar, wheat and processed food. The cravings come back really quick.
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Detox is right.
So yesterday back to veggies and meat. Finally don't feel as bloated. I knew it would lose a few pounds pretty quick. My guess is water retention and stuff. Plus I used the bathroom a couple of times since then :o 186 This morning.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
The difference is what's referred to as TEF. This stands for Thermic Effect of Food. What it means is that it takes approx. 4% of the calories from fats and carbs to process. It takes 20-25% of protein calories to process. So basically around 18-20% more cals are used to process protein than the 2 other macronutrients. This is why the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain when in a calorie surplus and more fatloss when in a calorie deficit.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
The difference is what's referred to as TEF. This stands for Thermic Effect of Food. What it means is that it takes approx. 4% of the calories from fats and carbs to process. It takes 20-25% of protein calories to process. So basically around 18-20% more cals are used to process protein than the 2 other macronutrients. This is why the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain when in a calorie surplus and more fatloss when in a calorie deficit.
So if that's true, then I'd say a calorie is NOT a calorie, because eating a calorie of carbs will make you fatter than eating a calorie of protein, and I'd be right. A scientist might say the same information proves that a calorie IS a calorie, and he'd also be right. But a problem happened in recent years when people took that to mean that eating a calorie of carbs is no more likely to make you fat than eating a calorie of protein, and they got fat as a result.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
The difference is what's referred to as TEF. This stands for Thermic Effect of Food. What it means is that it takes approx. 4% of the calories from fats and carbs to process. It takes 20-25% of protein calories to process. So basically around 18-20% more cals are used to process protein than the 2 other macronutrients. This is why the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain when in a calorie surplus and more fatloss when in a calorie deficit.
So if that's true, then I'd say a calorie is NOT a calorie, because eating a calorie of carbs will make you fatter than eating a calorie of protein, and I'd be right. A scientist might say the same information proves that a calorie IS a calorie, and he'd also be right. But a problem happened in recent years when people took that to mean that eating a calorie of carbs is no more likely to make you fat than eating a calorie of protein, and they got fat as a result.
The carbs don't make you fat. Too many carbs make you fat as it is generally the macronutrient that is eaten in excess, putting you into a calorie surplus. Cutting carbs means cutting calories in almost all cases which in turn will automatically lead to reduced fat.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
The difference is what's referred to as TEF. This stands for Thermic Effect of Food. What it means is that it takes approx. 4% of the calories from fats and carbs to process. It takes 20-25% of protein calories to process. So basically around 18-20% more cals are used to process protein than the 2 other macronutrients. This is why the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain when in a calorie surplus and more fatloss when in a calorie deficit.
So if that's true, then I'd say a calorie is NOT a calorie, because eating a calorie of carbs will make you fatter than eating a calorie of protein, and I'd be right. A scientist might say the same information proves that a calorie IS a calorie, and he'd also be right. But a problem happened in recent years when people took that to mean that eating a calorie of carbs is no more likely to make you fat than eating a calorie of protein, and they got fat as a result.
The carbs don't make you fat. Too many carbs make you fat as it is generally the macronutrient that is eaten in excess, putting you into a calorie surplus. Cutting carbs means cutting calories in almost all cases which in turn will automatically lead to reduced fat.
Yes, obviously carbs don't make you fat if you don't eat too many of them, just as protein WILL make you fat if you eat too much of it. But you'd just said that eating a calorie of carbs is more likely to make you fat than a calorie of protein ("..the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain...") and I was agreeing with that.
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
The difference is what's referred to as TEF. This stands for Thermic Effect of Food. What it means is that it takes approx. 4% of the calories from fats and carbs to process. It takes 20-25% of protein calories to process. So basically around 18-20% more cals are used to process protein than the 2 other macronutrients. This is why the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain when in a calorie surplus and more fatloss when in a calorie deficit.
So if that's true, then I'd say a calorie is NOT a calorie, because eating a calorie of carbs will make you fatter than eating a calorie of protein, and I'd be right. A scientist might say the same information proves that a calorie IS a calorie, and he'd also be right. But a problem happened in recent years when people took that to mean that eating a calorie of carbs is no more likely to make you fat than eating a calorie of protein, and they got fat as a result.
The carbs don't make you fat. Too many carbs make you fat as it is generally the macronutrient that is eaten in excess, putting you into a calorie surplus. Cutting carbs means cutting calories in almost all cases which in turn will automatically lead to reduced fat.
Yes, obviously carbs don't make you fat if you don't eat too many of them, just as protein WILL make you fat if you eat too much of it. But you'd just said that eating a calorie of carbs is more likely to make you fat than a calorie of protein ("..the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain...") and I was agreeing with that.
So no doughnuts tonight! Wine has a high TEF so we'll do that!
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This is a nice reading about a calorie is not a calorie...
Unfortunately a calorie is a calorie for 90% of the picture. People are always writing books to the contrary. Great for their bank accounts but highly misleading to the people who read them. It comes down to what foods are the most satiating. Those are generally the proteins and good fats. Processed carbs are the least satiating so are generally overeaten and usually the culprit in excess calories. Cut out the bad carbs and you're cutting out calories. You can gain weight on any food if you take in more cals than you burn.
When you eliminate the carbs you'll lose weight almost immediately and this loss will continue for about a week. Unfortunately it's only water stored in the muscles as with glycogen.
I guess the question is what people mean by "a calorie is a calorie". If it is true that a calorie is a calorie in an abstract, scientific sense, so what? What matters to people is what happens when you eat that calorie. If you eat a calorie of carbs or sugar, the effect is different than if you eat a calorie of protein or fat. As you say, the proteins and good fats are generally more satiating, while processed carbs are not, so you'll eat processed carbs in an effort to feel satiated. The body also processes different foods differently, even if they are identical in calories. So even if it is true that a calorie is a calorie in regard to scientific equations regarding energy units, the reality is that it makes a huge difference to your body (in regard to health and weight gain or loss) whether it is a calorie of fat, carbs or protein.
The difference is what's referred to as TEF. This stands for Thermic Effect of Food. What it means is that it takes approx. 4% of the calories from fats and carbs to process. It takes 20-25% of protein calories to process. So basically around 18-20% more cals are used to process protein than the 2 other macronutrients. This is why the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain when in a calorie surplus and more fatloss when in a calorie deficit.
So if that's true, then I'd say a calorie is NOT a calorie, because eating a calorie of carbs will make you fatter than eating a calorie of protein, and I'd be right. A scientist might say the same information proves that a calorie IS a calorie, and he'd also be right. But a problem happened in recent years when people took that to mean that eating a calorie of carbs is no more likely to make you fat than eating a calorie of protein, and they got fat as a result.
The carbs don't make you fat. Too many carbs make you fat as it is generally the macronutrient that is eaten in excess, putting you into a calorie surplus. Cutting carbs means cutting calories in almost all cases which in turn will automatically lead to reduced fat.
Yes, obviously carbs don't make you fat if you don't eat too many of them, just as protein WILL make you fat if you eat too much of it. But you'd just said that eating a calorie of carbs is more likely to make you fat than a calorie of protein ("..the higher protein diets with the same overall calories will lead to less fat gain...") and I was agreeing with that.
So no doughnuts tonight! Wine has a high TEF so we'll do that!
Yes, you can gain weight just by looking at a doughnut. ;D
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Yes, I agree with both of you. ;)
Just woke up, 185...and I haven't used the bathroom.
Seems I'm starting to get my willpower back. Had a get together at my house last night. Wife made homemade mac and cheese because all her friends love it. One brought a casserole, another a ham, and another brought a big old pan of good old southern banana pudding. I managed to resist and only eat the ham. Of course the girl who was supposed to bring the salad bailed last minute. The biggest motivator was that even as much as it would have tasted good, I just didn't want to feel like I did three days ago. That bloated stuffed feeling for a day far out weighted the minute of taste.
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You have a lot more will power than me. I would'a had to eat some 'nanner puddin' ;D
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As expected. Rapid bloat loss has evened out and now the work begins. 184.6
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182 this morning. 8 pound loss for the first week. After the first 4 days it has evened out to normal weight loss. Will probably average 1.5 to 2 pounds a week from now on. I will get to the beach next weekend to get some surfing in so that should help.
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182 this morning. 8 pound loss for the first week. After the first 4 days it has evened out to normal weight loss. Will probably average 1.5 to 2 pounds a week from now on. I will get to the beach next weekend to get some surfing in so that should help.
Nice! If you consistently get a lb. a week that's excellent. You'll more than likely stall for a week or 2 then start losing again. When the stall happens it generally just water retention and will come off. If you stall for more than 2 weeks you have to lower calories to keep losing. The lighter you get the less mass you haul around all day so you need fewer calories.
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Its funny how this cycle works. Every year I tell myself I am going to get through the Holidays in control and invariably I wake up on New Years Morning 15 pounds heavier than I want to be, hung over, and barely able to do 25 pushups and maybe 7 pullups. Whereas at the beginning of October I can knock out 50 push ups and 15 pullups without even thinking twice about it.
For me things start crumbling in October at the end of my Surfing season. We start salmon and steelhead fishing really hard in October and nothing is better than a river beer (then another, and so on). Then a celebratory lunch/dinner at the bar (bar food tastes awesome after a day on the water).Then the holidays start and it's full on gluttony for me until I hate to even see food.
Then January comes and city league hoops start back up, and I am in a rush to get down into the 218 range so my heavy wetsuit has at least a little room in it to start surfing again in March. I do as most of you do, just eat real food and the weight takes care of itself. Meat, vegetables and fruit. For exercise I pick a different routine each year to follow. This year I am going to do wave cycling heavy weights along one of the Pavel Tsatsa (something) books and my normal mobility stuff. Shoulders feel so much better after only 2 weeks back on the wagon.
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179. Almost back to where I was pre holiday. 6 more to go.