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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: DavidJohn on November 27, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
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And about time.. We're not all built like Kai Lenny.. ;D
http://naishsurfing.com/hokua-x32-le-series-versatile-performance-wave/ (http://naishsurfing.com/hokua-x32-le-series-versatile-performance-wave/)
I've orded the 9'1'' x 32'' ..and should have it in a couple of days.
DJ
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Wow. Very wide!!!
It'll be interesting how they surf.
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32 inches wide is the new 30".
Finally is right.
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We bought the board below in the spring from JD and it's a 9-0 by 32. That size is so very surfable without giving up the stability that makes SUP enjoyable in various conditions. I think you're gonna love that shape, and width when the juicy stuff hits. Our board is rather thick at 4.5" but at that volume, even I can ride it at 255lb/116kg.
No, we're not all Kai Lenny, but if he every wants to trade bodies with me, I can guarantee the offensive line coach will give him a second look. ;)
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Ok so this has thrown me....I was thinking about the new Mana 8'5" as my step down from my first board (Mana 9'5")...
But that 8'3" is tempting...anyone paddled one? stable enough for a 5'11" 88 kg guy?
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Those big boys are pretty obese. 9'1" is 5" thick.
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That's a great looking board! you'll be catching plenty and RIPPING! AND not fighting the thing for balance. People forget with SUP there's the balance factor involved.
No Balance = No FUN
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The thickness will change the way it surfs? will it still be performance at 4'5 think?
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The thickness will change the way it surfs? will it still be performance at 4'5 think?
This board is 4.5".
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8078/8347120497_d5ae87a4ed_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/8347120497/)
Tim Rudolph SUP shots Erik - 01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/8347120497/#) by ewxlt (http://www.flickr.com/people/30741622@N07/), on Flickr
This board is 4 and 7/8".
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3707/11094059794_8790fe42cf_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/11094059794/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/11094059794/#) by ewxlt (http://www.flickr.com/people/30741622@N07/), on Flickr
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The thickness will change the way it surfs? will it still be performance at 4'5 think?
Knowing thickness tells you nothing about the rail thickness. When you see high thickness numbers today, it usually means heavy deck dome. Most newer shapes have thin rails regardless of thickness.
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Yep good points, I am looking for less rail than the Mana's have..
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The thickness will change the way it surfs? will it still be performance at 4'5 think?
Knowing thickness tells you nothing about the rail thickness. When you see high thickness numbers today, it usually means heavy deck dome. Most newer shapes have thin rails regardless of thickness.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7320/9482809996_ce18f24e6b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/9482809996/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/9482809996/#) by ewxlt (http://www.flickr.com/people/30741622@N07/), on Flickr
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Also that V on the bottom accounts for some extra thickness. Numbers are taken on the stringer!
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Consider this for a moment....
If that 5" thick board had a flat deck and single concave bottom, the thickness would measure out at 4.25 and nobody would think anything of it. And BOTH the 5" and 4.25" versions would have identical rail thickness.
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Thickness is the most misunderstood and misleading factor in surf design
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DJ
Love that 9'1"! Please come back with a full report on how it rides and stability.
Interesting how the Naish 9'10" Hokua 2013? The one with the slight concave deck was a board I was very interested in. I weigh 225 lbs and for my weight I felt the 9'10" at 30 1/4 wide seemed just a little too small for me. That 9'1" looks just right. Some great shapes coming out for heavier riders finally.
I would love a comparison between the 9'1" Hokua and the 8'10 AllWave by supthecreek.
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However you want to slice it 5" is ridiculous and thick especially for how wide the board is. The 9'0" SlatchJim posted up is about the same volume as the 9'1" and is 4.5.
I am curious to see what they did that required a 5" thick board. I hope the rails are paper thin.
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You have to remember that Naish numbers are slightly different than most other brands... sometimes.
The 9' Mana was listed at 190 liters for years. Then without changing a thing except for the graphics it somehow morphed into a 165 liter board.
So maybe that 9'1" at 5 inches thick is really about 4 1/2" thick. Or maybe not.
Can't wait to hear the fully skinny on the fat boy DJ.
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I am very interested to hear more. Waiting for a Starboard WP that doesn't want to show up...thinking about this Hokua.
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Thickness is the most misunderstood and misleading factor in surf design
I agree. I only write length, width, and volume on most of my boards.
When I started hearing people of the beach debating what boards would and would not work for them based on thickness, I thought.....yikes
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However you want to slice it 5" is ridiculous and thick especially for how wide the board is.
Wrong.
The wider a board gets the more rise in deck dome. I'll guess it has 5/8" rise. And 3/16" rise from V on the bottom. Making its comparable real world thickness only 4.19. Pretty thin for a big boy model.
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Until now, the Manas were indicated as an entry level wave board and also as performance board for big guys in small and medium waves. I compared the measures of the new Hokuas X32 and the 2014 Manas and found this.
Mana 9'5" 2014 - Length: 9'5"; Width: 32"; Thickness: 4 3/4"; Volume: 163L; Max rider weight: 210 lbs / 95 Kg
Hokua X32 LE 9'1" - Length: 9'1"; Width: 32"; Thickness: 5"; Volume: 150L; Max rider weight: 240 lbs / 109 Kg
What I don't understand is that basically, both boards are aimed for the same kind of users and the same kind of wave condition (unexperienced lighter riders or experienced heavy riders in small to medium waves). So how come the Mana has more floatation than the Hokua X32 (163L x 150L) and yet, the Hokua is indicated for heavier surfers? Any ideas why is this so?
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You can have a 5" thick board that's thin and a 4" board that's thick. It's all in the foil so don't assume a 5" thick board is this monstrous behemoth
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I am curious about how these x32's compare to the Starboard WP.
Anyone been on one to compare?
Liters are close and so are the dim's....anyone???
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So how come the Mana has more floatation than the Hokua X32 (163L x 150L) and yet, the Hokua is indicated for heavier surfers? Any ideas why is this so?
I could be eating crow soon, but my guess is.....
1) The X32 is CNC cut core, vac bagged, higher end, higher price, targeted to the harder core customer. So the customer with more skill, so it gets a heavier rider rating.
2) The pulled tail and nose remove a LOT of volume. It really is for the more skilled heavy customer.
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Slatch, I tried to get that North Pacific shipped to Florida when it came up for sale. I've ridden a 9'3" version and liked it.
The Naish boards have a similar profile to the JP Australia wide bodies. I rode the 8'4" and liked it. Super stable for me at 212 lbs.
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They don't look that thick.
DJ
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Sexy looking board DJ
Naish should follow my lead and stop publishing thickness. Just give volume. ;D
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They don't look "too thick" at all...nice volume distribution...but, Yikes!...my first impression is that it looks like banana (push water) rocker was used from looking at the profile pics...;-)
Dunno why this is news, actually...we've been designing and building low aspect ratio, higher volume, quad+1, high performance standup boards for surf competent bigger guys, for 6-7 years now...
It would be bigger news if they offered them in anything other than yellow...;-)
Anyone know pricing...are they gonna be $2800ish?
http://blog.surfingsports.com (http://blog.surfingsports.com)
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would be bigger news if they offered them in anything other than yellow...;-)
Anyone know pricing...are they gonna be $2800ish?
http://blog.surfingsports.com (http://blog.surfingsports.com)
$2800 really?? Wow
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We normally pay slightly more than what you guys in the US pay .. maybe because of our weaker dollar.. Here's what our pricing is...
DJ
Here's a link to the launch page, has the construction on there. http://naishsurfing.com/hokua-x32-le-series-versatile-performance-wave/ (http://naishsurfing.com/hokua-x32-le-series-versatile-performance-wave/) Lacey, please note these are not just Carbon layup for the "tagging" purpose. Carbon is not always the best in every application. The Hokua LE uses a Carbon Kevlar deck and a Glass Matrix bottom, with the board having a full PVC sandwich. Weights are good for the volume of the board and the strength (approx. 1kg lighter than a similar volume Naish's GT construction (an excellent strength to weight ratio) ). It's important to understand that not all boards are created equal, so comparing between brands etc is extremely hard as not all brands use the same construction, types of carbon, kevlar, sandwich and so on. The 9'1" retails at $2349. down to $2099 for the 7'10". Jase at Briskites is right, and I look forward to putting it into practice. Naish have always designed around performance, not just the trendy numbers on the market. Numerous R&D found the performance of lower profile rails and thinner tails far out weighs a narrower board with boxy rails, and to reach the volumes 32" was the perfect width. One thing to point out, and take this with some sense ability, the rider weights Naish recommends is to help guide you, not to limit you. At 95kg, I can ride the 7'6", 8'3" and 8'10" in the Hokua LE range where "suggested" weights are as low as 79kg. however have ridden with lighter riders that struggle on these same boards. So don't religiously follow numbers, use them as a guide. As always - Demo is the key!! Hanging to get on em. Ride safe, JB
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US buyer's
$2350-2499
7'10- 9'1
Respectively!
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I'd like to know how these stack up against the Starboard WP's.
Very curious about the 8'3 LE vs. 8'2 WP.
Anyone had a go on these?
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more pics
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oh shit. That 7'10'' looks nice. I wonder hos it would stack up against the 9'0'' regular one.
Damn it. Just when I figure I have my quiver down.
Any have insights on how that 7'10 would stack up on bigger / big-ish waves like double to tripe overhead?
9'0'' paddles fast, but I love homy 7'6'' goes so fast and is so agile.
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Double to triple overhead is a big wave. Oh yea, maybe not for a pro, but
for most of us.
I think the more streamlined nine footer will drop in easier than the shorter
more disc like outlines. Big waves push the boards to much higher speeds
than small waves. Too disc shaped will start to build resistance as the
gets up.
Now an 7-10 x28 will go fine. ;)
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Double to triple overhead is a big wave. Oh yea, maybe not for a pro, but
for most of us.
I think the more streamlined nine footer will drop in easier than the shorter
more disc like outlines. Big waves push the boards to much higher speeds
than small waves. Too disc shaped will start to build resistance as the
gets up.
Now an 7-10 x28 will go fine. ;)
well I am not at all a pro...and how big the wave is really depends on the shape. I've been in big surf that is not as punishing as much smaller waves. I'm a bit afraid you are right in your estimation. I really like the lightness and agility of the 7'6'' but cannot imagine riding it in big waves simply because it is about impossible to get enough speed on it...well I guess someone who is good might be able to...
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Here's a link to a good review by a team ride...
Go to the bottom and check out JB's review.....there are other reviews on the thread... but some are a bit confusing, JB's is worth a read.
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/New-Naish-83-X32-LE/ (http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/New-Naish-83-X32-LE/)
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Here's a link to a good review by a team ride...
Go to the bottom and check out JB's review.....there are other reviews on the thread... but some are a bit confusing, JB's is worth a read.
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/New-Naish-83-X32-LE/ (http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/New-Naish-83-X32-LE/)
Nice. Well that did nothing to stop my thirst for a new board...damn it.
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Love my new board. on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/80990354)
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Love my new board. on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/80990354)
Flatwater board eh? ;)
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Love my new board. on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/80990354)
Flatwater board eh? ;)
Ha.. I couldn't get it in the water soon enough.. and just testing how it floats me.
btw.. Our surf is about an hour and a half drive away.. and I went yesterday but it was only about a foot high waves.. So I used my Mana.. Can't wait till we get some more swell.
DJ
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Arrgghh drooooool. It looks so good.
Love my new board. on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/80990354)
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Love my new board. on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/80990354)
Flatwater board eh? ;)
Ha.. I couldn't get it in the water soon enough.. and just testing how it floats me.
btw.. Our surf is about an hour and a half drive away.. and I went yesterday but it was only about a foot high waves.. So I used my Mana.. Can't wait till we get some more swell.
DJ
Agreed. Inquiring minds want to know how it surfs!
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Hey SSG are you looking to upsize your quiver? Maybe you gained 25 lbs? Hmmm. It's about time Naish came out with a performance big guy board. There was a real void in their line-up. I'll bet they sell tons. It will be interesting to see at that price anyway. My big guy Infinity is waiting for me at the shop. It's 9' x 31" x5" or so and around 160 L. Is this possible? This is my step-down from my 9'6" Allwave. Ordered it this summer and it took forever. Really hope it doesn't give me too much trouble. I plan to get out there soon to pick it up. All I have is a couple pics to look at daily:
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That's a NICE lookin' board!
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Hey SSG are you looking to upsize your quiver? Maybe you gained 25 lbs? Hmmm. It's about time Naish came out with a performance big guy board. There was a real void in their line-up. I'll bet they sell tons. It will be interesting to see at that price anyway. My big guy Infinity is waiting for me at the shop. It's 9' x 31" x5" or so and around 160 L. Is this possible? This is my step-down from my 9'6" Allwave. Ordered it this summer and it took forever. Really hope it doesn't give me too much trouble. I plan to get out there soon to pick it up. All I have is a couple pics to look at daily:
Looks beautiful! Report back on how it shreds!
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any suggestions on where I can see one of these in person in the SF Bay area? Even better, where to demo one (not holding my breath on that one)?
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Hokua X32 Morning Session. on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/81459615)
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Thanks Dj.... it was good to see JB surf it.... his reviews of the new Naish on the Breeze, are very good, so it was fum to see him in action.
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Looks plenty loose!
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Westernport ripples on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/81806993)
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nice video! looks like it rides just fine without throwing cutbacks around :)
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I'm told we will have them in California mid February. I can't wait to try one.
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Would love to see video from the beach
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Great Video DJ!
Any trick to how you mounted your camera on the paddle?
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JC in last clip! In a full wetsuit when DJ you have just a vest. Ask JC what's up with that?
Anyway I liked the music and your very smooth handling of the paddle. I don't prefer nose mounted cams like John's vid. Got a weak stomach.
How far offshore is your break?
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Great Video DJ!
Any trick to how you mounted your camera on the paddle?
Thanks.. It's a bit hard to make something out of nothing (the waves).. We knew it would be only small.. But not quite that small.
I just cut the black plastic plate that the GoPro's come mounted on in the packaging.. and duct tape it too the blade.. Carry the GoPro in my boardies pocket.. and without a floaty on the camera I have a short thin rope around the paddle shaft and attached to the camera just in case it comes off.
It was high tide in that vid.. Once I pealed the tape off and gave up on filming the waves got better and better.. Should have left the plate on the blade because it doesn't effect paddling much without the camera attached.
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Would love to see video from the beach
I'll try and do that next time.
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JC in last clip! In a full wetsuit when DJ you have just a vest. Ask JC what's up with that?
Anyway I liked the music and your very smooth handling of the paddle. I don't prefer nose mounted cams like John's vid. Got a weak stomach.
How far offshore is your break?
Thanks Bill.. The music is a band called The a White Buffalo.
Jonathan paddled up to us with his wettie pealed down.. Didn't really need it.. It was a bit cool with a light south wind (straight off Antarctica) and it got chilly when the sun went behing a cloud.. and also Jonathan is a bit soft.. ;D
The break where we park is about 200 yards off shore but we paddle out and around it (because it's often crowded) and we paddle about a 1/4 of a mile up the coast to the next point where we often have it to ourselves.
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Well I prefer smart to soft but it all gets a bit blurry!!
Love that steamer, 2mm unsealed keeps the cold wind off and the water is still only 63 degrees right now ;D
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Quite a banana - good for decent waves.
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As much as I want/need/drool over these new Hokua "Wide Rides", I just can't justify spending thousands on a board. Kinda why I scored this Vibe used on Craig's for 700!
Two Footin' It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8aBVKM_Lwk&feature=share&list=UULhyIKBLFiXMBcrCDK63ZGw#)
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Good score! Welcome to the Zone.... :D
Looks like you had fun on your new board.... too bad about the crowds.. ;)
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Thanx for checking out my vid, 55NSup, Monie, andsupthecreek (and thanx for the welcome, creek). Crowds? Alot of the smaller days here in the NJ winter are empty. 8) Hope you get some "Smooth Seas" to SUP surf on, 55NSup.
Nice seeing some Vibe action.Just got my Vibe a couple months ago but haven't been on the water much.
I most likely will have more video of The Vibe in some more sizeable surf. You won't struggle on it going from a 10'er. It'll prob work well if you're under 200 lbs.
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They don't look "too thick" at all...nice volume distribution...but, Yikes!...my first impression is that it looks like banana (push water) rocker was used from looking at the profile pics...;-)
Dunno why this is news, actually...we've been designing and building low aspect ratio, higher volume, quad+1, high performance standup boards for surf competent bigger guys, for 6-7 years now...
It would be bigger news if they offered them in anything other than yellow...;-)
Anyone know pricing...are they gonna be $2800ish?
News because Naish Hokua shapes dominate high level surf sup (the sea of yellow boards on the beach at the sunset pro the past few years makes that pretty clear) and they haven't, for the most part, compromised the line to make it accessible to older/heavier/less competent riders... 32" is a compromise and I doubt you'll see pro level riders using these much... but it opens the Hokua line to a lot of guys...
Based on what I hear the regular LE models are about $2K here in HI, the 32" are probably about the same...
Like the guy ^^ said, Craigslist.
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what wonders me is how anyone can spend that much money on a Naish board when you can get a custom from a local shaper , much cheaper.
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what wonders me is how anyone can spend that much money on a Naish board when you can get a custom from a local shaper , much cheaper.
You can do that, but too often it's from shapers who don't actually SUP themselves, so the shapes tend to suck for SUP.
Having said that, the day will come when SUP reaches a point where it is widely available from shapers who do actually SUP. Then it will become harder to demand premium prices for boards from Asia.
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"You can do that, but too often it's from shapers who don't actually SUP themselves, so the shapes tend to suck for SUP."
Amen to that... I have a bunch of professional shaping friends, who are shaping racing and surfing SUP's and do neither themselves. Some of it they just don't get!
Like me trying to insert a quote..
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"You can do that, but too often it's from shapers who don't actually SUP themselves, so the shapes tend to suck for SUP."
Amen to that... I have a bunch of professional shaping friends, who are shaping racing and surfing SUP's and do neither themselves. Some of it they just don't get!
Like me trying to insert a quote..
This is totally true. Before I started SUSing I had all these bright ideas how I was gonna shape these things. Once I started and then started shaping them 9 months later, my perspective on the designs totally changed. The boards I shape are very different than my original thoughts. I've ridden some boards by some non SUSing shapers and 1 worked well and the other 3 were complete dogs and I mean really bad boards.
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Still haven't had it on a decent wave yet..
My First Project on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/82757610)
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DJ you're the only guy producing videos where I leave the audio on. Well done ;D
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Still haven't had it on a decent wave yet..
That is some pretty small surf. Nice and glassy though at least. I finally had my new/used Vibe out in some challenging conditions. Coupla made waves/couple not! it's a facebook vid so not sure if you'll be able to view.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152143531122682&l=4500751126713390528 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152143531122682&l=4500751126713390528)
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DJ you're the only guy producing videos where I leave the audio on. Well done ;D
Plus one on the video.
That is THE most mysto version of "You are my Sunshine" I ever heard.
Love it.