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Title: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: headmount on November 25, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
I'll post for a while about this board and add some more pics but here's the first day impressions.  

First I picked the board up and the boys at SIC said weigh in was 22, at home mine was 23 on my digital scale which could be a tad  inaccurate.  In any case it's light.  Real light.  Width is just under 27 and in the water that felt just a tad more tippy to me than my 17'.  That affect was accentuated by the fact that I hadn't cleaned the deck pad of all the shop residue it had picked up hanging around in production.  The sensation was like standing on soap and I was hesitant to move my feet at first to experiment with different areas.  So I'd rinse the pad if you get a new board.

Did a DW run in Kihei with our extended gang and out of the gate it felt fast on the ball bearing ripples.  When the glides grew to a catchable size, entry was easier than my 17'.  Balance during gliding was better than the 17' and steering sensitivity was fantastic.  

Unfortunately I was so focused on the getting the board wired, I neglected to spot my path along the coast and by the time I did, I realized that the wind direction had drifted me offshore a considerable distance.  Cutting back against a contrary grain proved challenging but the board still dropped easily and then turned left quickly once I was on glide.  However slippage was significant and progress towards shore was limited.

Even my pals, far inside of me were having a tough time, except for Covesurfer who has shown remarkable ability to take the correct path for adverse wind directions.  His move to get close early in the run when the surface is flatter makes the end of the run much easier.

Extremely tough going for me at the finish with my line during the last mile being 45-90 degrees to wind.  Glides that previously were possible, I couldn't catch with the necessary line to gain our finish.  PBill was paddling well and with his 17' board and farther inside line, he was able to finish before me for the first time.    He also finished before Victor who also struggled on a 14'.    

I think he's taking steroids because he finished before me again today and I was on my 17'.  My 17' felt heavy after riding the 14' yesterday.  Gliding was light.  Also a first for me was ripping a finger open with a blister for my first time ever.  Don't recommend it.

I let a strong paddling gal take my 14' and she ordered one afterwards.  More to come...

Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: Takeo on November 25, 2013, 01:09:21 AM
Thanks for the review Bill.  I've been waiting to hear about the 14 V3. Still not so clear on the changes from 1 to 3.  I know 2 was suppose to have a flatter rocker for better in the flats, but curious to hear the changes to V3.  22-23 pounds is crazy light, was this a standard layup or one of their light/ultralight layups?  Hope you get a camera soon so we can see the board in action!
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: Chilly on November 25, 2013, 06:36:44 AM
Congratulations Headmount. Iíve been staring at the picture for the pass 20 minutes drooling. Iím interested to hear more about it.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: headmount on November 25, 2013, 07:50:40 AM
It's hollow construction and lay up options of heavy or light,  was something they never spoke about with me.  So I figure it's standard, whatever that is.  Seems strong.

Rocker looks steady but not very much, which is to say it's fairly flat rocker.  Haven't taken a straight edge to bottom yet but it appears flat with slight vee beginning just before the rudder.

One thing I didn't mention before was how incredibly stable it was when the nose pierced underwater.  When my 17 goes under, i can feel it in my quads and gut and sometimes the board will want to yank left or right.  Didn't feel that with this 14'.  With boards this flat, an occasional underwater piercing is going to be a fact of life. 

Can't wait to get it out in good conditions.  We're clutching at straws around here recently.  As soon as any wind rustles a palm tree, it's like ... 'squirrel!'  It is winter.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: covesurfer on November 25, 2013, 10:01:40 AM
This board is so light and so beautiful, I really have to force myself not to look at it too much as it would be really easy to get obsessed with it and have to order one. Seriously, I am trying to keep this beauty out of my thoughts.

My friend Art got one last summer, even narrower than HM's, I think Art's is 24", light, sleek and also so seductive. I got to paddle that board on a downwinder in the Gorge and the narrow width was much more stable than I had expected. The board accelerated from paddle strokes much more easily than anything I've paddled.  I pretty much forced myself to forget about that one too - like a supermodel that you meet one time.

It's already breezy at 7:30 am with a lot of north. Maybe this afternoon will be good.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: excav8ter sup on November 25, 2013, 03:37:40 PM
Headmount, is your board similar in shape the the new SIC F14?  Based on the one picture I have seen, it looks quite similar.

Thanks
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: headmount on November 25, 2013, 05:46:14 PM
You know I'm not familiar with all the various models and what they are.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: excav8ter sup on November 25, 2013, 08:01:41 PM
Ok. The store I buy my boards from sent me a picture from the 2014 catalog. The f14 is something new i believe. Looks like a sweet 14er
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: headmount on November 25, 2013, 08:37:03 PM
Mine is called the Bullet 14 V3.  Their latest model.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JLK on November 25, 2013, 09:31:54 PM
Board looks awesome now I want to get a new one
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: SUP_DJAfrica on November 25, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
Looks great.
How does the rudder system feel on a 14fter. I like the idea of a rudder system as ensures your board can be used in more conditions but the 16 and 17 fter's just seem such a bigger board. Is the rudder system still pretty usable on this board?
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: headmount on November 26, 2013, 12:45:21 PM
Oh yeah.  The steering is very applicable for this length (14) and the rudder sensitivity is so much quicker than the 17, which I found lags at times.  Especially during those moments as I previously described where in order to drop in you need to be pointed in a direction contrary to your desired path.  Once you're in the glide, the instantaneous  Ferrari -like steering allows you to quickly angle back towards the direction you wish before you lose too much ground.   Conditions like we had that day had us groveling for every inch towards shore.  If you were exceptional at surfing a 14 you might be able to duplicate without a rudder but I doubt your turns would be as quick as with the rudder.  Quick really matters in situations like that.

My biggest challenge was angling past glide-catching angles towards the end of the run.  That part was slow going on, what became for me on that first run, a tippy board sideways in choppy seas.

Only one run so far so I have much to learn.   
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JonathanC on November 27, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Board looks great Bill, looking forward to seeing it suspended in the garage....
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: Southbay on November 27, 2013, 10:35:49 PM
Can't wait to see the board in action!  Hopefully sometime this weekend...dying for a run.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: SUPflorida on November 28, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
More pictures please,,, Nose, tail, rails, bottom, deck depression...that board is gorgeous!!!
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: bing on November 29, 2013, 08:44:43 PM
You know I'm not familiar with all the various models and what they are.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: excav8ter sup on December 01, 2013, 06:04:23 AM
I stopped by the Outpost on Friday to check out  the SIC brochure. In the brochure, the F14 and the  V2 and V3 look pretty similar. I am thinking that the width of the boards might be the biggest differences.  It's  very hard to tell from the pictures though.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JF808 on December 01, 2013, 07:39:50 PM
the F14 has more rocker then the Bullet series.  The F14 would be more similar to the Bullet 14 V1 but with more rocker... then again that would be based more on the Hawaii built versions, not the production versions seen in the catalog. IMHO the catalog looks incorrect. because the picture of that 2014 production F14 actually looks like a Bullet 12.

HM, I love the look of the Bullet 14v3, looks great, especially with the sweet custom paint jobs coming out of SIC, lots of eye candy.  I'm so tempted to get one too
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: excav8ter sup on December 01, 2013, 08:21:10 PM
the F14 has more rocker then the Bullet series.  The F14 would be more similar to the Bullet 14 V1 but with more rocker... then again that would be based more on the Hawaii built versions, not the production versions seen in the catalog. IMHO the catalog looks incorrect. because the picture of that 2014 production F14 actually looks like a Bullet 12.

HM, I love the look of the Bullet 14v3, looks great, especially with the sweet custom paint jobs coming out of SIC, lots of eye candy.  I'm so tempted to get one too

Thanks JF808....so you think  the F14 has more rocker than the V1 Bullet?  I like  the that the F14 is 30" wide.  I am hoping  that it will help me get better at open water paddling and downwinding on Lake Michigan.  I have 14',  404 Zeedonk in Carbon fiber that I love for most conditions.  But downwinding in bigger waves with some confused chop has proven to be a huge challenge.  I want to find a board that will do downwinders better.  The Zeedonk  is FAST on Lake Macatawa, which is where   I paddle when the wind is nice and strong out of the West The chop usually is no bigger than 2',  but with a 20 mph breeze,  the Zeedonk is fun. But the North or South wind days is when I need something more suitable for downwinding in rougher conditions.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JF808 on December 01, 2013, 08:48:16 PM
excav8ter,  this whole 2014 catalog is kinda whacko to me, it's got a lot of guys confused, or maybe just me. It's probably flowsports handling the marketing for the production models... neither here nor there  Honestly I dont know what to believe.  If you've seen naish catalogs, in the back of magazines, especially after 2011, naish started changing around the names of the boards and this and that, and it made things hella confusing... and since then, they've been doing it every year.  I wish they would settle on a standard.

what i said is based on the Hawaii built custom versions.  The profile of the F14 in the 2014 catalog looks nothing like the Hawaii built F14 which has been available in hawaii since 2009.  The real F14 looks  more like a scaled down version of the F16. Yes it does have more rocker then the 14' Bullet V1... as for the 2014 production models, I hope its an error in the catalog, and I'm wrong, dont take my word for it, the catalog shows a board that looks nothing like a Hawaii built F14

here is a Hawaii built custom...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyIkQqZ6JCA#t=266 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyIkQqZ6JCA#t=266)
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: RainWaves on December 02, 2013, 11:06:52 AM
 NO!, the catalog pics can't be trusted! The F16 that is shown just has the new graphics dropped onto the Bullet outline. Wait for someone to see a "real" one and take pictures before making any calls on what they may, or may not have, and/or look like.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: headmount on January 03, 2014, 11:19:22 AM
This is my new 14' hollow V2 or rather V3 since it's hollow.  My pal was on it and I took pic from my 17.  Thought I digitally zoom in on water line.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: covesurfer on January 03, 2014, 11:39:22 AM
Sweet board HM. Looks awesome in this picture too.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: raf on January 03, 2014, 12:51:33 PM
As HM explained, the v3 simply means a hollow V2.  Thats my understanding as well.  The production 14' V2s are new for 2014.  They are basically taking the shape of the 2012 12-6 Bullet and making it into a 14'er.  As PBill noted in a previous post, the lower rocker on the 12-6 Bullet makes it very fast.  The rockers on these boards are more comparable to the All-stars and new Fanatics than the older Bullets.  From the pics HM posted, you can see the nose shape is identical to the 2012 12-6 Bullet.  This is going to be a very fun, fast board. 

Raf
owner of Soposup
SIC dealer



Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JF808 on January 08, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
actually there is a difference with the Bullet 14'  The V2 production is 27 3/8"-1/4" and the V3 is 26 5/8" widths.  obviously there is a difference in weights as customs are availabe in several lay ups. And it looks as if the volumes are different too. On top of that I dont think the production V2's are the only ones out there, pretty sure there were some customs built well before the 2014 production debut.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: supLaz on February 06, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
What different lay ups we talking about?

Are the SIC hollow board constructions to compare with the OC1 Pueo?
Ultralight:  21 lbs
"The deck is a 3.9oz carbon on the outside, a 1/8" foam core, and a 3.9oz carbon on the inside. The hull is two layers of 4.0oz S glass, a 1/8" foam core, and a 3.9 oz carbon on the inside."

Except perhaps the sandwich foam thickness, because the less dome shape, the less geometric stability of a sup board of course?
+ the extra thick sandwich in the standing area.
+ styrofoam block for extra buoyancy?

So maybe could the no less weight difference between a OC1 canoe and a 14'-17í board are explained?

grtz
Laz
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: yugi on June 29, 2014, 06:06:57 AM
bump

So is there a new V3 shape?
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JF808 on June 29, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
What different lay ups we talking about?

Are the SIC hollow board constructions to compare with the OC1 Pueo?
Ultralight:  21 lbs
"The deck is a 3.9oz carbon on the outside, a 1/8" foam core, and a 3.9oz carbon on the inside. The hull is two layers of 4.0oz S glass, a 1/8" foam core, and a 3.9 oz carbon on the inside."

Except perhaps the sandwich foam thickness, because the less dome shape, the less geometric stability of a sup board of course?
+ the extra thick sandwich in the standing area.
+ styrofoam block for extra buoyancy?

So maybe could the no less weight difference between a OC1 canoe and a 14'-17í board are explained?

grtz
Laz

how does it compare to a Pueo well, ummm one is a canoe and one is a SUP hahaha :P not sure what your asking bro, and WTF is geometric stability?

As far as what weave or specific composite specs, you'd have to call them and ask.  However as far as layups go for the Maui customs. You can get them in Standard, Ultralite, and what mark calls "ultra-ultralite" No styrofoam for  bouyancy, unless that is what you want. These boards are solid, I seen some heavy guys riding on these boards, they can handle.
Title: Re: SIC 14' V3 Bullet
Post by: JF808 on June 29, 2014, 11:14:30 PM
bump

So is there a new V3 shape?


the V3 is the newest shape for the 14' Bullet line up. The 14' Bullet V2 is the production version of the V3 as already mentioned.  for the 17' line up there is a prototype 17'4 V3 being tested... ;)
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