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Stand Up Paddle => Downwind and Racing => Topic started by: Southbay on May 16, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
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"Danny Ching Signs Up For Molokai; Will This Be The Most Competitive Channel Crossing Ever?"
http://www.supracer.com/molokai-2013-stacked-field/ (http://www.supracer.com/molokai-2013-stacked-field/)
Very interested to see how Danny does in this race. He has done it tons of times in a canoe, and he has won it twice in a OC-1. Lord knows he is fast as hell on the flats in a SUP. Exciting stuff...
Southbay
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Are Kai Lenny and Dave Kalama also in it.. and what about Jammie Mitchell and Travis Grant?
DJ
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Dave keeps saying he's done his last M2O, but with his great dinosaur showing at the Olukai I bet he's tempted.
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Dave keeps saying he's done his last M2O, but with his great dinosaur showing at the Olukai I bet he's tempted.
Dave told me after last years M2M that his days of M2O solo are done. He is such a unbelievable competitor though.....gotta be hard to stop. The Pailolo is such a blast, not sure why it is not a bigger race.
Southbay
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Dave said last week that he might do M2O on a team, but wasn't going to do it solo. He said he's traveling too much to get enough training in.
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It would be cool to put GPS tracking on the top 5 male and female athletes so we can track them online during the race.
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Dave said last week that he might do M2O on a team, but wasn't going to do it solo. He said he's traveling too much to get enough training in.
and so the mind-games begin!
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Let's not forget the dark horses that lurk under the shadows
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Sweet! I want more Ching vs Baxter vs Mitchell vs Grant. rooting for the older dudes as always! Will this race be broadcasted anywhere???
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It would be cool to put GPS tracking on the top 5 male and female athletes so we can track them online during the race.
This was done in Holland on a several day race thru canals and such and made a rather blah race seem a little more exciting. Chilly, this is a great idea! It can be done and would really spice up an already epic race.
Conner has been on a rampage and in the open ocean, he's the target. I like rooting for the older guys as well since I'm like many on this forum and am in my second half of this life. But I'm also stoked to see young guys like Conner, Kai, Kody, Zane and Mo step up and represent youth in what might otherwise be considered just an old mans' sport.
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There’s a device called SPOT that can do it. Since M2O is such a long distance race it would be perfect. Headmount, maybe you can bring it up with your connections or hide one in Conner’s hydration pack. :)
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No need to hide it. He'd think that was a cool idea as well. Anything for the fans, right?
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Conner represents the future of the sport so well. He’s a great role model for other young athletes.
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According to Marshall Rosa .. Travis Grant will be riding a new unlimited board designed by Marshal Rosa and Billy Robello. Marshal took 2nd place in the surf ski world championships in the Molokai Channel 9 times behind Oscar Chalupsky and has been doing molokai channel for 40 years. He has designed a pretty killer down wind board. He was out surfing China walls in 5 to 6 foot waves with it a few weeks ago, and actually surfing them !!. Last year I saw travis jump on Marshals board about halfway into a Hawaii Kai run and there were some other Top 10 paddlers there and he literally left them in the dust !!! That was an older prototype . The new ones are faster. Travis will be a contender for sure !!
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According to Marshall Rosa .. Travis Grant will be riding a new unlimited board designed by Marshal Rosa and Billy Robello. Marshal took 2nd place in the surf ski world championships in the Molokai Channel 9 times behind Oscar Chalupsky and has been doing molokai channel for 40 years. He has designed a pretty killer down wind board. He was out surfing China walls in 5 to 6 foot waves with it a few weeks ago, and actually surfing them !!. Last year I saw travis jump on Marshals board about halfway into a Hawaii Kai run and there were some other Top 10 paddlers there and he literally left them in the dust !!! That was an older prototype . The new ones are faster. Travis will be a contender for sure !!
If Marshall designed this new board, who is building it and how? (hollow or EPS) Do you know how much it weighs?
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Don't know who built them . I know they were looking at Tiger Canoes to make them hollow. I believe the ones they have been using in the past were foam core. I will find out and get back to you.
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really? Tiger's a busy guy right now. Most of his attention is focused on his 3-man rudderless, and has a joint project with Johnny Puakea producing Unlimited class 6 man outriggers. Especially with the Olamau coming up. I've been told it's hard to even get a OC1 from the guy because his attention is elsewhere.
Years ago Tiger did produce Hollow Core unlimited SUP's for Hulakai. Outrigger zone could be another source for hollow construction. I know for a while they were making the Vortice for C4/boardworks.
Doesn't Travis ride for NSP now? I suppose they are allowing him to use a "NSP logo'd" x-brand board like conner? I am not familiar with those names Marshall & Robello? can someone shed some light
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Talked to someone out surfing Hawaii Kai who is Marshals good friend. He said Tiger is not doing their boards. Currently they are looking. I know Marshal had mentioned before they were looking into it. He also said as far as he knows Travis is not doing solo on their board , however there is a rumor of a team with Travis on it. Don't know about that though.
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Talked to someone out surfing Hawaii Kai who is Marshals good friend. He said Tiger is not doing their boards. Currently they are looking. I know Marshal had mentioned before they were looking into it. He also said as far as he knows Travis is not doing solo on their board , however there is a rumor of a team with Travis on it. Don't know about that though.
SEA, are you still doing this year's race? Training hard? Got your nutrition and boat time dialed? Tell us about that. Who cares about Danny and Conner.
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I am doing the race this year (3 man team) getting my feet wet .. so to speak :). Don't know if I will subject myself to a solo at my age , but this will be a fun race for sure. I have been training hard doing a lot of leg work and paddling 3 to 4 times a week and being VERY PALEO, whatever that means :) .
Tomorrow we are going going up into the channel about 15 miles from Oahu and my uncle , wife and my little girl will drop me and my friend of and follow us back to Portlock. It is going to be 25 mph and a steep rising tide should be one hell of a run. I plan to do this at least 4 more times before the race. I am charging up my go pro and my wife will be filming from the flying bridge of the boat so I hope to get some good footage of the channel tomorrow. Stay tuned !!
What Bill maybe next year ??? with all the Maliko runs you do, paddling 11 miles on a 3 man team would be duck soup !!! My two team mates are 61 and 64 years young !!
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That's the plan. 2014. I have a partner for two and will probably take on a third. Haven't decided yet. Grandson is here this year and I've got to get this ear deal settled anyway.
I was on a good roll but this vertigo deal is a set back, except weight is down to 180 after massive seat yesterday. Did two light walks today and felt fine. Easing back into it. Don't want to paddle until I don't feel anything inside my head ... if you get my drift. Sounded funny when I wrote it. Didn't take any more of these drugs today that they gave me. They were way strong. Feel like I'm recovering from them more than anything else.
Confident on the water but having this motion deal in my head wouldn't play well on a boat and the boat is a big part of the equation. Conditioning, boat, nutrition, hydration-electrolytes and a skipper that knows the course... all parts of the equation.
SEA, I like your idea of dropping out in the channel. Nothing like having some experience in the spot, especially that last part to Oahu where it gets tricky with tide flow. IMO that last 15 is where the race really starts. I've been there in a boat and it can be a toilet bowl of slop. Look forward to hearing about those runs. Also like the sound of your team. Yeah legs, it's all about the legs.
You ever have this feeling where your legs are doing their thing and everything is OK but you feel somehow disconnected from your legs? Happens for me towards the end of runs... of course.
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Hey Bill Glad you are doing well. That sucks the whole inner ear thing. My co worker had it so bad that all he could do was lye down on his side this went on for weeks. He went to see a neurologist at Queens hospital and this doc took a special machine with a little hose and tip and blew super chilled air right into his ear and it went away instantly !! First time I have heard of this .
Bill I went out 10 miles from hawaii Kai towards Kalua Koi Molokai. Your right the last 3 miles to kokohead was brutal The winds were about 20 mph and seas were about 6 feet . the waves were coming back out from Hanauma bay and it was SLOPPY to say the least. It was the toughest paddling I have ever experienced .... there are swells coming from about 4 different directions . It is definitely good training for this race. My legs are sore today. When I do a Hawaii kai run i never get sore legs. It was amazing how the conditions change so fast from mile to mile. on my Garmin my elevation went up to 16 feet and down to -6 so there was some moving ocean for sure. Id say leg work is key and I will be doing more of it. I hope to do a run next weekend again . I took my go pro but for got the anti fogging packets and it fogged up within 10 minutes into the run. could barely see. I have some footage from the beginning but I wish I had the slop by Koko head on film. I'll post soon.
Aloha
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16-minus 6 is so radical. You must have hit the dumping tide? Check the tide chart with when you were out and tell me what it was doing. Unfortunately I read somewhere that tide could be dumping on race day this year, sections where 2mph is doing good. Maybe try a different approach next time you go and see what happens.
Whatever it is, psychologically it's good to know what to expect. When you get Shanghaied with a surprise downer... it's tough. Good work.
Ice Station Zebra for the ears? Sounds wild. I'll be checking into everything i can.
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Tide was an hour and a half into coming up when we started the run Bill , it was a big moving tide starting at 0 feet and ending at 2.2 feet i believe (i'm going by memory) , so it was optimal. My Avg speed for the 10 miles even with slop was 5.8 mph
My friend went way inside just past the entrance to Hanauma bay and hugged the wall all the way to port lock point (china walls) and he said he definitely felt the current and swells coming of off the cliffs at an angle sling shot him towards H.Kai .
When we escort others I notice some racers end up south of the rum line and come in towards H.Kai from the outside and others try the line my friend took.
Race day is and will be a dumping tide :( I'm not quite sure why race organizers decided not to chose the sunday before which is a tide exactly like the one we paddled last weekend ?? Makes no sense to me. It will make for a very hard race and much slower times I'm sure. Oh well it will still be a good experience i'm sure.
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As you probably are already aware there is a line that extends about 6 miles due west of Koko Head that is defines an underwater ridge where the top is never under 500 feet. But between .5 and 1 mile south of that underwater ridge, the depth drops another 1000 feet.
That's pretty rad and probably the cause of what we're talking about. Is the fishing good there?
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SEA... BTW 5.8 in slop is unreal. So I guess that incoming tide is just as advantageous as the outgoing is detrimental
I agree with you about timing of event but as we all know the other 'on-land' logistics count more than on-the-water conditions.
As Mick Jagger sings, "to live in this town you must be tough, tough, tough, tough."
I'll be anticipating your reports....
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As you probably are already aware there is a line that extends about 6 miles due west of Koko Head that is defines an underwater ridge where the top is never under 500 feet. But between .5 and 1 mile south of that underwater ridge, the depth drops another 1000 feet.
That's pretty rad and probably the cause of what we're talking about. Is the fishing good there?
My grandfather moved to portlock in 1938 , he was the second person to build a house there the first was Marshal Rosa's dad. They called that ledge Ernie Steiners Ono run . My grandfathers friend Ernie had that ledge dialed in and would catch a lot of Ono's on that ledge, so yah there is a lot of action fish wise and current wise . We have been fishing that channel since I was a boy. and right about 10 miles out on the rum line to Kalua Koi is a current line that usually runs from south west to north east or vice a versa . two years ago we were escorting a surf ski racer and there was a current line in that general area, it literally looked like a river with rapids about 100 yards wide running from north of Kaneohe towards south or penguin banks..... it was NUTS !!! I kept thinking that if this was a standup race the racers would be toast !! As it was the surf ski's were getting tossed pretty good and it took some effort for them to get through that current. The biggest thing that strikes me about the channel is how fast conditions can change from cherry to hellish it's amazing.
I cant recall escorting any race with a dumping tide from the start ... I can only imagine what it might offer the racers this year. should be interesting.
The other thing I noticed is just because you have a rising tide definitely doees not mean you will get swift currents pushing you towards Oahu. You might catch certain areas where current lines will be moving towards Oahu however there are many that are going against you. It is almost impossible to pin down. When I asked Racers a few years ago what line will they be taking they said point A to Point B thats the fastest and all racers have to battle the same currents and winds . Makes sense to me.
reading bumps out there is SO Different and you have to adjust constantly to the different conditions the ocean is throwing at you. Staying alert, focused and in the moment was very hard and I had to REALLY focus on focusing if you know what I mean. Any little stray thoughts or lack of total attention and you will surely suffer. Talia Gangini was mentioning this in an interview , now I know what she means . I will be doing a run out there again hopefully in a few weeks. I might try a dumping tide to see what it throws at us. Not sure yet.
If anyone has done M20 race and has some wisdom to share please share , I would appreciate it
Aloha