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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Boludo on December 06, 2012, 02:10:51 PM
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So yesterday my new L41 SIMSUP S4 arrived. I fiercely ripped open that box, anxiously wanting to see it in person. I've never seen one in person but for a long time now, I've followed L41 and their simmons inspired sups.
Pulled it out of the box and these were my initial impressions.
1. Looked beautiful
2. Loved the very thinned out nose and thinned out tail (super thin).
3. The chined rails were unlike anything I had really seen.
4. The center of the board look big (thick) and that had me worried.
5. The fins that come with the board are top quality. Front fins did seem a little large.
Board dims are 7'3" x 28.5" x 4 1/8" - 96.5 liters
I immediately weighed the board.
- Dry weight was 13.8 pounds
- With pad it weighed 14.8 pounds
- With pad, quad fins, and monster spray it weighed 16 pounds even.
A tad on the heavy side for my taste. Was hoping for upper 14 pounds with pad and fins. It does have some extra glassing and it does feel very solid. Very solid!
The board was definitely a little strange and I became a little skeptic on how it would surf. I sent my buddy, Big Ed, a text saying a was kind of skeptic how well it would surf.
Surf report: Clean and 1-3 feet. Very small.
1st ride report:
This board is AMAZING! I mean, Crazy Awesome! Stability was unbelievably stable and easy to paddle. Stability was so good that it was very relaxing to stand on and paddle. The board paddled extremely well for the size. Very small wave coming, paddle for it, boom..on the wave. Wow that was easy! Another tiny 1-2 foot wave comes in, paddle for it, on the wave. Geez, this is too easy! Another 2 foot wave comes, paddle, on it, a small cutback and go to the nose. Wow this thing nose rides too.
So because the surf was so small there were zero proners and 3 other guys on SUPs. I chat it up with Tom English and he says, can I just see if I can stand on it? Me: absolutely. Tom (185 pounds) hops on it and sinks it pretty good but surprisingly paddles it around without falling. Another guy on a 8'10"(?) Nectar says "can I see if I can paddle it"? Me: sure, go for it. You'll have no problem with it (he's 145 pounds). He says, well I've seen you and you can paddle anything. He hops on and falls a few times. After that he's up and paddling it. I surf a few on his board as he gets used to it. I go to get my board and he says can I go for a wave. Me: no problem. He catches on wave and is hooting and hollering in disbelief. Comes to me and says, can I go for one more? He goes for another, catches it, and hoots and hollers. Comes back to me and says "where can I order one"? I explain.
The board surfs like no other board I've been on. It actually took an hour or so before I started to get the hang of it. Main issue was that the take offs were very different. The rails on this board really work. In small surf they don't get stuck and the few 3 footers I managed to get, the rails really shine. They are very easy to bury. The chined rails give it that harder edge. You can do a cutback on a small wave and not loose the wave. Managed to ride the nose on a few other waves. Did a few harder cutbacks and one that broke loose on the top (felt great). The fins appear to really work and I don't see me changing them out for a while. Seems to be a good configuration. Can't wait to get it in bigger surf.
Bottom line: It takes time to get used to the board. You start to learn the different way to surf it and generate the speed it has. It's not as predictable as my other shorter sups. I'm 100% sold on this mini simmons sups. Exciting would be a complete understatement for these boards.
It's not a quiver killer. My infinity Blurr surfs so amazing and completely shreds with the only limitation of the board being the rider itself. With that being said, one must consider a mini simmons to add to the quiver. I have NEVER had so much fun in 1-3 foot waves. I ended up having the entire place to myself for an hour and a half. Not one proner the whole time. This board can catch almost anything.
Sorry if the pix come out all upside down, but I never get right.
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Sweet! Congrats on the new ride.
I hope it surfs you well for a long time! ;D
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looks great i saw the picture he posted on face book the other day and loved the paint job. how wide its that tail it looks crazy wide but i bet thats why it gets all the waves!
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Can't wait for So Cal shortboard demo day!
SL
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Score! Awesome purchase!
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looks great i saw the picture he posted on face book the other day and loved the paint job. how wide its that tail it looks crazy wide but i bet thats why it gets all the waves!
back of the tail measures 14".
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Wow, congrats! I am so wanting one of those! I am having a couple of those shaped for me down south . Picking up the blanks tomorrow, driving south and meeting with my friend at his shop.
May I ask, how much do you weigh?
Also, what is the glassing schedule and what is the actual width of the nose and tail on the bottom with the chimed rails?
Thanks!
Kiku
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Kiku,
I weigh between 160-168 however I think I'm about 158. Lost 8 pounds from stomach flu so I'm trying to get back some of my weight.
I will measure the nose. Back of tail is 14".
While I was out, one of the other guys on a SUP said he ordered a simmons sup from Kings. He's gonna love it.
Glassing- I may be wrong on this but I believe 2 layers top and bottom 6 oz. plus a 4 oz. patch on standing deck area? S-Glass as well.
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I have the SimSUP 3 and can attest that these boards just flat out work! Covewater in Santa Cruz has them in stock and I believe a demo on the way as well. Ask anyone who has given them a fair shake and the simmons design works extremely well as a SUP.
Kirk at L41 makes a very sweet board and for the price you are going to get THE cutting edge design.
I have ridden mine in head high waves and it just screams down the line, allowing me to make sections I never thought possible, yet then I crank a turn and am amazed at the combination of speed and maneuverability.
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Can't wait for So Cal shortboard demo day!
SL
Yeah really, waiting on the announcement! :)
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great write up Chomps!
You got me seriously wanting to try one out now-i too have been skeptical about Simmons Sups, but i know how well you surf and this definitely makes me want to take a test spin
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Congrats on the new board, another SIMSUP believer is born! Love the graphics by the way, very cool. I think the fins are an integral part of the design, and I surfed a SIMSUP 1 with GLs and didn't like it nearly as much. With that fin template, it felt like a different board, and really shined.
Anybody in the Santa Cruz/SF Bay area that wants to give these boards a try needs to get over to Covewater and demo one today.
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Kiku,
I weigh between 160-168 however I think I'm about 158. Lost 8 pounds from stomach flu so I'm trying to get back some of my weight.
I will measure the nose. Back of tail is 14".
While I was out, one of the other guys on a SUP said he ordered a simmons sup from Kings. He's gonna love it.
Glassing- I may be wrong on this but I believe 2 layers top and bottom 6 oz. plus a 4 oz. patch on standing deck area? S-Glass as well.
Thanks Boludo! This is very helpful as I am going to get a 7'4" and 7'0" shaped for myself; although I won't disclose my exact weight (ha, ha) I am lighter than you and am working on dropping another 20#s.
Again, congrats, and I LOVE the resin work!
Kiku
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Is it time to arrange another category on the zone?
"Simmonized" or "Simmonsed" might work.
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Great report Boludo
I am curious to hear how your quiver usage will evolve.
Sounds like these Simmons inspired SUPs really excel in the smaller stuff.
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Boludo,
This is something I've been hinting at for a while. The stability of a board for paddling and standing really comes from carrying some width thru the tail. Granted you're going to end up with a board that surfs differently; however, as you can attest different doesn't mean worse. Boards like these are perfect for smaller and or weaker waves.
I have a new secret weapon wide tailed board that I'll post some photos of later this month.
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Boludo, What's the tail rocker on this board?
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Headmount. I'm actually not sure what the numbers are. The rocker throughout is very subtle. I will check the measurements on it.
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Getsupngo: Great idea. How about "Simmons Inspired"? Properly respectful and to the point.
Headmount: Not a lot of rocker. Think SUP paipo. Very fast down the line speed; short, maneuverable; wide tail, stable.
VonR: "Boards like these are perfect for smaller and or weaker waves." I've had mine out in 8-12' Cali waves, works good. Not just a small wave board, in Cali that is.
Something to consider is that the three commercial Simmons inspired SUPs that I know of are fairly different in subtleties, not plan shape. Bottom shape, rails and finnage are very different on the Infinity, Dave Daum and L41 McGinty SIMSUP. I've been riding the very first of the SIMSUP inspired designs from L41 since the beginning. Now that the design is becoming more mainstream, if it was me, I'd contact each shaper and ask them about their specific proprietary design before buying.
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That is awesome for sure. I love how they did a Simmons paint job too
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Cool looking board Boludo! A buddy of mine is shaping similar Simmons inspired boards around here. I liked reading your account of the day it reminded me of when I first started SUSing on Maui...nothing like zero crowds to re-kindle the stoke!! Good report, thanks!
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good lookin board Boludo! i think one of these shapes would work well here for the lakes with the type of smaller surf we get.
did you have this one custom made for you?
and mind if i ask the price; or at least the price range?
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Sweet stick all around,good on you Bloudo!!
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good lookin board Boludo! i think one of these shapes would work well here for the lakes with the type of smaller surf we get.
did you have this one custom made for you?
and mind if i ask the price; or at least the price range?
Kirk publishes his pricing menu on the website. I think these boards are an incredibly good value, and you can get one any way you want it.
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Dude's got some paddle skills. Nice surfing Josh.
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Boludo,
can you elaborate a bit more on this comment:
"The board surfs like no other board I've been on. It actually took an hour or so before I started to get the hang of it. Main issue was that the take offs were very different."
You said it is very easy to take off... and yet is different...
what exactly is different?
And a second question: how much shorter is this board from your regular main board? a feet? more?
Thank you...
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good lookin board Boludo! i think one of these shapes would work well here for the lakes with the type of smaller surf we get.
did you have this one custom made for you?
and mind if i ask the price; or at least the price range?
Thanks for all the comments guys!
Endless, price was $1150 with pad and nice set of fins. I went with a different pad so he gave me a credit for that. Other price increase was about $40 for S-Glass and $40 for paint. So overall great price. Yes I had this one custom made for me. Kirk made it very easy to figure out volume and size.
Yes it does superb in small surf and good in bigger surf. The biggest I had it out was 3-5 feet. Mostly 3-4' and it did good. Still want to get it out on bigger surf.
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Boludo,
can you elaborate a bit more on this comment:
"The board surfs like no other board I've been on. It actually took an hour or so before I started to get the hang of it. Main issue was that the take offs were very different."
You said it is very easy to take off... and yet is different...
what exactly is different?
And a second question: how much shorter is this board from your regular main board? a feet? more?
Thank you...
Alap, I'm not a good writer and can't describe things well like our fellow Strand Leper. I will try my best but what's difficult is trying to describe a feeling that may just make no sense. Keep in mind that you are getting a review from just an average joe.
Probably similar to surfing a short board and a fish. So it feels like it carries more volume than it really does. This board is 96.5L and to me it feels like 110L. When I first got on it, I couldn't believe the stability. I looked at the tail and I was sinking the tail, which completely surprised me because I felt so stable. So because it's a wider board at 28.5" it does surf more like a wider board. Because it's shorter, your turns can be snappy and you can get the board to release easier and slide more at the top (due to small size and higher volume).
It has a small belly nose (opposite of the concave many big nose boards have), so it paddles and distributes water better. When you paddle it actually feels like you are cruising. This makes catching the waves easier. When you catch the wave there is much less rocker and more volume in the nose so that's what I meant by it taking time to get used to. It feels like the initial thrust forward releases quicker than a traditional shortboard shape. So you just need to be prepared to act quicker and more differently.
The rails do seem to hold well and still maintain speed. I had a 7'4" Starboard Pod for a short time and yes it was easy to paddle and it was a fun board but it lacked speed. It felt to sluggish to me. This shape will actually get up and go.
My other board is a very pulled in short board shape. 7'9" x 27 x 3 7/8. (I will include a picture for reference). It has around 88-90L and is very light. When waves are juicy, this board can rip. The turns are more archy and smooth going vertical much easier when set up as thruster.
The reason for the necessity I have for the 2 boards in a quiver is one is relaxing, playful, fun, while still aggressive when you want it to be. The other is strictly business. When you want to try things you hope to pull off, you try it on this board as you will have the best shot at pulling it off. It's very fast, challenging, requires less energy with maneuvers, and rewarding. Cheers to the 2 best boards ;D
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Dude, what a great two board arsenal!
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I once accidentally took a picture of my wife with that lens... My FIRST wife.
Good luck explaining to your boards about the lens making them look fat.
I actually only have one wife, but I had to beat PDX to the comment.
SL
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Agree, Nice one two punch!
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What a day. I wasn't even thinking of going out because it's pretty flat out with 1-2 footers. Went out and I'm glad I did. Super glassy and clean out with incredible water visibility. Was catching wave after a wave with a few small 2 footers actually peaking pretty good. One in particular generated some good speed. The board was pumping down the line and coasting on the upper peak of the wave. Felt like I was 12 year old on a skim board. Crazy how well it works on these waves and how much fun you can have with such little wave.
At one time I was thinking of getting me a big board for smaller days. This takes care of that.
As for the bigger days, I've gotta admit, the Infinity Blurr will be my go to board. However we have more smaller days than bigger.
Not saying that the SIMSUP is for smaller waves, because it's not, just saying my Blurr craves those bigger waves.
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I just finished a session at the reef. A guy was on an Infinity Simms. 7'0"x30x4.5"
A bit too wide and thick. Board has Pro-Box twin fins. He was having fun. I like the look of yours, Boludo.
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CS,
You need to try it. A lot of fun. Yeah I really like this board because the tail and nose are really thinned out which helps it surf well and getting through white water is a breeze because there is not so much volume on the nose where it would usually kick back hard. I will be out at my usual spot around 9am if you want to give it a try. Another 1-2 foot day out.
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Will do. I'll check the weather, mañana.
:)
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Those Infinity Simmons boards are really wide and REALLY thick... not quite my cup of tea... I am sure that Dave B would shape a smaller version for the rippas in North SD County!
Can't wait to try Boludo's board... Boludo, you should charge a user fee... you will be able to make up a significant bit of the initial cost.
SL
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Those Infinity Simmons boards are really wide and REALLY thick... not quite my cup of tea... I am sure that Dave B would shape a smaller version for the rippas in North SD County!
Can't wait to try Boludo's board... Boludo, you should charge a user fee... you will be able to make up a significant bit of the initial cost.
SL
Look at you. Always thinking. I can respect a good business mind.
I'd love to see Dave B. thin them out more. Maybe he already has?
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Think I read something somewhere about Infinity working on a V2 of their Simmons.
Hopefully just another couple of weeks for my own board to arrive from King's.
Ran into Boludo in the water today, board looks awesome. Water visibility was insane.
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JeanG,
Was good meeting you. I look forward to seeing you on your new board soon.
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Dave and Rhonda were demo'ing the King's Simmons on Sunday. I didn't get a chance to ride it, but the guy who was out at the same time as me was having a good time on it. The King's version isn't very thick and not very wide, but it does have the wide, square tail. However, it is fully custom, so you could modify the dimensions according to your own taste. I really like the look of the kevlar layer, would like to see how that would work on their crossover model.
MJF
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Hey all,
The V1 of Phoenix by Infinity was based off
the original Simmons design just blown up
and is user friendly because of the width and thickness
but as stated Dave will thin them out because they
are custom
I have attached a pic of the V2 of the Phoenix as I like a
thiner board also and much thinner rails.
Don't let the fullness of the V1 fool you though
it easily goes rail to rail via the twin fins but not so
loose it loses drive , I'm stoked Dave embraces the twin
fin it's a great set up when done correctly
Also the V1 was designed based on East Coast conditions
which means chop and wind most of the time so stability
is important
Will have more pics of V2 when I get it as its at glassers
CHill
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What effect does the fin-base angle have on a mini-sim?
I've noticed some run parallel while others have significant toe-in. I would think for speed, say a fast beach-break I would want as little drag from the fins as possible without significant slip so a parallel set-up seems to makes sense to me.
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Those Infinity Simmons boards are really wide and REALLY thick... not quite my cup of tea... I am sure that Dave B would shape a smaller version for the rippas in North SD County!
Can't wait to try Boludo's board... Boludo, you should charge a user fee... you will be able to make up a significant bit of the initial cost.
SL
SL , Guys like you are in that small elite percentage that ride thinner boards my friend, but guys like me who are coming from bigger boards to smaller boards need alittle thicker and wider which are the masses for the stability factor. Yet we don't want to be on boards 32" or wider and go thicker than 4 1/2" which are unstable, because now you are sitting to high on the water. As I have noticed with my 8.50 Phoenix like in the pic below for the first time. Infinity has found the sweet spot for stability and performance in the V1 model. But I won't be riding the V2 model like Chill posted earlier.
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Hey guys,all this talk got me goin.
Shaped a 7'7"x 29"-19"3/4 tail last night out of the middle of an 11' blank i had :D.
Any pointers on fin placement? "Parallel to 1/16" toe and cant" is that @12"T/E?
And the rears??
I would like to ride it as a twinie (traditional) but going 5 boxes.
I think it could be fun as single fin .Guess im old school..lol
thx up front..
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Thanks larry.
I've been riding a fish (twin) and like the feel of it .
I"ll post the mini when its done.
Rdistributing carry your stuff?
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HUH! :o ;D Check your pm Larry.
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Larry,
i will let u guys do all of the experimenting with this simmons stuff and enjoy the fruits of y'all's labor in six months or so. :)
be well amigo.
SL
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HUH! :o ;D Check your pm Larry.
Back at you my friend(-:
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Larry,
Do you know if you can get those half moons in futures? I know you can get the twin keels but don't see the option for the half moons.
How do the half moons change the ride. Seems like it would loosen it up but not sure on other characteristics it would have.
thanks
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Larry,
i will let u guys do all of the experimenting with this simmons stuff and enjoy the fruits of y'all's labor in six months or so. :)
be well amigo.
SL
Thanks my friend. Hope you and your lovely family have a Happy Holiday Season. Mahalo, Larry
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Larry,
Do you know if you can get those half moons in futures? I know you can get the twin keels but don't see the option for the half moons.
How do the half moons change the ride. Seems like it would loosen it up but not sure on other characteristics it would have.
thanks
Boludo, You are partly right the half moon fins loosen the feel of the board, but in the SUP World the TWIN Fins needed more volume to match the volume of the SUP World and not a SURFBOARD WORLD to work on a Phoenix type Board (Simmons Inspired Design). That was the tricky part about this journey with Chris Hill over a year in a half. Designing along with making multiple fins then comparing riders feel from me in one level to Chris Hill of another level with Dave Boehne and a few other riders like Cardiff mentioned. All coming to the package of what works.
I am sorry to say in a Future world, I believed they were originally designed for nothing bigger than 3 1/2" side bites. You will not find a Twin Fin to work, due to the limitation of the box design to carry the loads and not flex like the Donkey Eared Keel fins you described. The Donkey Eared Keels would have alot of vibration and humming because of the long top section hanging over a short base section. Then with the locking of the Future fin from the front and parallel base, the Future fin is pushed back for a tension fit but not addressing the lateral load applied by the larger Twin Fin designs. This is the power point of the fin and in a Standup World not a good locking attachment which is why ProBox Finsystem takes things to a unlimited level with NO LIMITATIONS, which increases the DRIVE and POWER of your Standup Board.
Boludo, feel free to call me at the factory with any questions my friend. I will be happy to help you out.
Mahalo,Larry
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Larry,
Thanks for the responses. I can't really disagree with you because you are "The Man" when it comes to fins. I can only comment on how they feel to me. First off, I've had larger fins (quad) on different boards and even on my bigger board I went down in size and it just felt so much better. So to say that we need bigger fins to match the bigger SUP board does make sense in theory but not necessarily to me by feel. So I'm sure it differs from rider to rider, hence the many sizes and configurations one can choose.
Same thing goes with the Keel fins on a SUP. Yes I can see what you are talking about with humming and vibration due to the large sweep back area combined with the way futures are secured. But yet why does it feel so good? Can I feel a vibration or humming?...No I can't. Yes I'm sure that flex occurs which isn't always a bad thing. So is it vibration, humming, or just flexing?
Not trying to disagree just pointing out a few things I've noticed. I would for kicks like to put some really small fins on it just to get it sliding around (in playful way).
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Larry,
Thanks for the responses. I can't really disagree with you because you are "The Man" when it comes to fins. I can only comment on how they feel to me. First off, I've had larger fins (quad) on different boards and even on my bigger board I went down in size and it just felt so much better. So to say that we need bigger fins to match the bigger SUP board does make sense in theory but not necessarily to me by feel. So I'm sure it differs from rider to rider, hence the many sizes and configurations one can choose.
Same thing goes with the Keel fins on a SUP. Yes I can see what you are talking about with humming and vibration due to the large sweep back area combined with the way futures are secured. But yet why does it feel so good? Can I feel a vibration or humming?...No I can't. Yes I'm sure that flex occurs which isn't always a bad thing. So is it vibration, humming, or just flexing?
Not trying to disagree just pointing out a few things I've noticed. I would for kicks like to put some really small fins on it just to get it sliding around (in playful way).
Boludo, Thought I would share alittle History since this thread title is perfect. Below is a pic of a finsystem from 1980, NOT Future.
The finsystem didn't gain much movement because of limitation and not working well with Twin fins. Funny how history repeats it's self even with the same problem issues.
Mahalo,Larry
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I enjoy seeing more and more pics and info about these boards and fins that are on the leading edge. Keep it up, Thanks.
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Congratulations Boludo - absolutely love your board. Everything about it. Very very nice. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Here are a few photos showing the latest batch of Simmons SUPs
Call me crazy, but I could swear that the board on the bottom of the racks on the wall is my board...the tail is a dead giveaway!
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I actually got to see this board in person today, and I have to say it is absolutely gorgeous. It's looks so small next to my 8'10, but has quite a bit of volume packed into it, but when you look at the rails they are like nothing I've ever seen before, sort of coming to a point in the middle, and the bottom front sort of has a diplacement hull look to it. It appeared to float Boludo perfectly, and even though he had never met the shaper face to face, you could tell that this board was made perfectly for him.
Oh, and this guy absolutely rips. He caught more waves than anyone else out there. Conditions were messy and all over the place today, was tough to get in the right position, as many waves that looked promising would fill back in and go nowhere, and others would wall up and close out. It was a challenge just standing up on the board for me. Water was moving in all different directions. On one particular wave I thought he was a goner for sure, as the wave looked like it closed out in both directions, next thing I know he comes screaming up over the lip on a backside left. I have no idea how he made that section then pulled out. I swore it closed out on him, but it didn't!
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So yesterday was a lot more size than today. This morning was about 2-4 feet and pretty fun. Sized quickly went down to 2-3 ft. Conditions were so-so but always fun. My wife showed up and took video of me for about 15 minutes until she got tired of it. I just quickly grabbed some of the screenshots to post some pix. Maybe if I get some time I will throw up the 1 minute video total that she took. Anyway, picture quality is bad.
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Nice! She's deceivingly big for a short girl. Looks like you have lots of float over the whitewater.
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Yes she looks bigger than she really is because I'm surfing all the way back at the tail do all you see is nose.
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Great shots!
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Nice pics my friend. Thanks for sharing. Have a Happy Christmas! Mahalo,Larry
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Just my luck. I went yesterday when it was victory at sea, and then had to work today!
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Boludo, laying a rail...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/D81DC7D1-79AE-403B-A3DB-C4D1FB6E76C1-548-0000050BD7AA0C1D.jpg)
He really gets that board moving all over the wave. 8)
More to come, later.
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Cardiff Sweeper, Thanks for snapping some pix! You da man!
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Anytime, big guy.
Maybe I could freelance for the SoCal sup crew.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Sup%20Surfing/CTM_2949_zps4bd610d5.jpg)
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:D Count me in. I test surfed "KingDavid" SIMMONS board last week. I had to order my own 8'4" x 30" X 4 1/4" custom baby. She is in process.
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I just ordered an 8' L41 today. This will be a major change from my 9'-6" McTavish where every wave I ride I wish I could hack off at least a foot! I'm 190 so I'm hoping it paddles at least as well as the McTavish does which is narrower overall.
Has anyone ridden a quad sup in bigger stuff? Was it squirelly? Do you feel like you wish you could put in a little 5th trailer center fin to stop it from being squirelly?
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Yay Magenta! That gives me first dibs in the classifieds section! I'll probably go the route you did but cant pull the trigger as fast. Good call by you though, you'll be in the game in 6-8 week probably, huh?
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Awesome Magenta. :)
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Hold your horses there matey! What if I don't like the L41 and someone contacts me with something mo bettah?
Yay Magenta! That gives me first dibs in the classifieds section! I'll probably go the route you did but cant pull the trigger as fast. Good call by you though, you'll be in the game in 6-8 week probably, huh?
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Magenta, you will be stoked!
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I'm pretty sure I will be stoked with it too but I woke up this morning a little concerned about the difference in paddling my current 9'-6" X 29.5" X 4.5" board with 150 liters to one with only 127 liters. What are the dimensions of your sim sup and how much do you weigh and how is paddling it?
Magenta, you will be stoked!
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What's your weight and how comfy are you on the 9'6?
Sim shapes seems to be much more stable than their size and volume would imply. I believe their large surface area provides an unusual amount of stability.
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190 pounds and very comfy on the 9-6.
What's your weight and how comfy are you on the 9'6?
Sim shapes seems to be much more stable than their size and volume would imply. I believe their large surface area provides an unusual amount of stability.
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It may take a short time to get used to such a short board. A foot and a half is after all a lot shorter than what you're used to seeing as you paddle around. But believe me. You WILL get used to it. And after you catch a few waves, you'll be stoked and motivated.
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WHOA!
just got out of the water a few hours ago after boludo let me try his L41 Simsup,
Yeah thats workin.
first wave it felt really weird-im 5-8, 175ish, floated me fine just standing there-just came off my 8-5 x 28 x 4 Infinity so it was really loose and squirrely at first. Looked like a drunk hula girl at first. Big Ed was laughing at me as i got it going.
Second wave on it and i figured out where my feet should go and how to turn it-kind of like watching fly weights box, really fast little jabby movements and i had some good tail slides on it, it was much drivier than i thought it would be, a good skateboard analogy is its like riding one of these little Penny skatebaords you see the young-uns on these days.
2 waves is all it took, daddy likey-daddy gonna get one.
Gonna go Infinity though with similar dims-Infinity tail is quite different than L41-havent ridden the Infninity sim sup yet but i saw Dave throwing his around the other day and how can you argue with his shaping pedigree.
Simsups are for real-already thinking about exact dims-this will be a fun board on smaller not so fun mushy days at Patch.
Nice job L41-this is a great baord for the socal (not me-everyone) quiver!
On the bummer side Sup SUrf Giant put his patella through the rail on his brand new sled!
we cried together and drowned our sorrows later with a VG's Apple Fritter for lunch....
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Glad you got it good. Were you at Boludo's normal stomping grounds? I'm really getting geeked up over these boards. Gotta get on one when the doc releases me to have fun.
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I'm already looking for a shaper to make me a board like that here ;D
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Glad you got it good. Were you at Boludo's normal stomping grounds? I'm really getting geeked up over these boards. Gotta get on one when the doc releases me to have fun.
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Im thinking you would dig this type of board 10&2!
5* took a left so far when he paddled back he had a canadian accent!
you gotta try boludos next time you get a chance.
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Welcome to the Simmons Fun world SoCalSupper
Talked with Dave B today and he is making himself a smaller version of my V2
cant imagine what he will come up with as mine is 7' 29" 4"
I love the JET Tail as its still fast and skatey yet you can square your turns up and Larry A came up with a set of TWINS to go with it
I attached a pic as you can see I'm ate up with Simmons style boards and love the twins pure speed and skatey
These shapes WORK from prone to SUP
CHill
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holy smokes Chill what a quiver :o
i really liked the tail of the L41-think im gonna have Dave just give me a tail that will work for how and where i surf.
I really liked the skateboardy feel of the board-Boludos is 7-3 x 28.5 x 4-1/8. Im 5-8 about 175 right now.
96.5 liters-hes lighter and stronger than me and i felt fine on it and I'm an easy 10 pounds haeavier than him.
Like i said-reminds me of growing up riding a skateboard. I actually caught a wave that i didnt think i was gonna catch-once you get some good deep strokes going it kind of pops up on its plane and gets moving pretty quick-suprised me!
Gettin one fo sho
Saw this pic on your instagram too
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man looking at that JET tail Chris is freakin me out
L41 is way different and he runs a quad i think on it-whats your opinion on the twin vs quad ?
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I'm a twin guy for Simmons style board and I've ridden them in hollow beach break and they work both prone and SUP and work great in every day surf
I think your smart to tell Dave what you want and let him run the guy has talent in the shaping bay , he's pretty fired up after riding mine before he sent it out will be interesting to see what he comes up with
Such a fun time for SUP right now and you nailed it these small Simmons boards get up on PLANE so quick its addicting
CHill
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right on
like the tail on the L41 and im intrigued by the JET tail
I surf with Dave quite often so i know hell have good input on what would work for me.
Yeah they plane fast and i was pleasantly suprised by how quickly and tightly it turned-thought it would be kind of boggy and slow but it feels like a skateboard
stoked....
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I put twins on my Simsup as well and love it. :)
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I put twins on my Simsup as well and love it. :)
Interesting
have you tried the quads like the L41 setup?
in your opinion whats the biggest difference between the two if you have
just looking for some input on fins-gonna prob get mine 5 box so i have all the options.
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My board is designed to be ridden as a quad, and yes I've ridden it that way. I just like being able to slide the board around very easily.
Going with five boxes is probably the way to go though!
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hahaha. Someones wheels are spinning. Dude that was fun out today. You looked good on that 2nd wave you grabbed on that board. You caught on quick! You got a long ride on it squeezing every bit of life left in that wave. Fun watching you at the end of the wave when it was knee high and you were still getting turn after turn on it. Sweet man! Anxious to see what you will have built. I'm tellin you, it's easy to get bit with the simmons inspired SUP's.
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hahaha. Someones wheels are spinning. Dude that was fun out today. You looked good on that 2nd wave you grabbed on that board. You caught on quick! You got a long ride on it squeezing every bit of life left in that wave. Fun watching you at the end of the wave when it was knee high and you were still getting turn after turn on it. Sweet man! Anxious to see what you will have built. I'm tellin you, it's easy to get bit with the simmons inspired SUP's.
very sneaky dude!
stoked you let me try it-should have asked you earlier in the sesh-man my legs were shot after that.
going from my 8-5 to yours was eye opening, definitely getting one!
Jean-maybe cuz joshs board is so small but even with the quads the tail was nice and loose, i got a little speed, stomped on the tail like i do my Infinity and man did it slide!-if not for my cat like reflexes i would have crashed! ::)
Josh warned me not to surf it like my regular board-i stepped back to turn and almost slipped off the back-its definitely a different deal surfing these sims.
to be honest i need a full sesh to really dial in the tail and get a feel for what fin setup i want.
(Will Ferell in ELF voice) Im in love and i don't care who knows it!!
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nice pics.I'm getting a 7'2'' locally here. I am sooo psyched. ;D ;D
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Gonna go Infinity though with similar dims-Infinity tail is quite different than L41-havent ridden the Infninity sim sup yet but i saw Dave throwing his around the other day and how can you argue with his shaping pedigree.
Hi Jon,
Darn business trip just happened to “strand” me on the West Coast over the weekend, so I took advantage of the opportunity to tag along with Strand Leper and Adam on their Sunday morning surf trip down the coast. (Thanks again guys!)
Also had the opportunity to take along an Infinity Phoenix that Brent was kind enough to pad up and add to the shop’s demo fleet while I waited. Right place at the right time! Walked in to Infinity looking for something a little wider than SL’s 27” step up for Sunday’s expected wild and wooly conditions, and walked out with a brand new Phoenix demo under my arm -- 7’6” x 30” x 4”
Unfortunately, I have no idea how this board rides in the small stuff, but I can attest to the fact that it’s a VERY fun, capable performer on the big open faced waves that were hitting down south on Sunday. You definitely should check it out and compare. And please pass along my thanks to Brent!
Regards,
Glenn
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Talk about right place right time! I really would love to try one of these boards in Great Lakes surf. It may be just the ticket for really working some of our smaller, mushier waves. Id be interested to see how it performed on a bigger, windy day when we can get some overhead beasts but they close out so quickly. I wonder if the nose is too wide for the really steep, late takeoffs we sometimes get. Maybe this is a design that would best fit those waist to chest cleaner days?
Reading SoCals posts from his trial run really pointed out to me how much slower my learning curve is here. It feels like it takes a whole fall/winter season to learn some of the things I could explore in a week on the ocean. My surf experience is almost totally Great Lakes experience, except for a couple of marginal ocean sessions in Ca and NC. I really feel a little like a dog on a leash.
But Im going to have some conversations of my own to try to get a little simmons stoke here in the Great Lakes. Infinity is my choice too. I have had the fun fortune of briefly meeting Dave at a couple of races and, because of the family history, Dave's individual style and CHill's collaboration on this board project it seems like a perfect choice to add to my quiver. Im really looking forward to hearing more about, in particular riding realizations that might help speed up my learning curve when the time comes. This is a fun discussion to follow.
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Who's making this for you? I'm curious because I was looking for a Northeast-based shaper a year ago to do the same for me. Contacted every shaper I knew of and none were interested in taking on the project for various reasons.
Finally decided to go with the guy who started the whole Simsup thing, Kirk McGinty/L41 surfboards and was glad I did! Just gave him my specs and let him go and he nailed it. I wish I had been nearby during the build process because I wanted to be involved more, but sometimes you've just got to let go and let the experts handle it.
As far as performance is concerned, I'm finding out that a person is only limited (in terms of conditions, wave size, etc....) by their own skill level with these boards. On my Simsup, my max effectiveness seems to be about chest-high on my local close-out beach breaks. It's not surfing the bigger waves that's the problem, it's getting out (on the shorter board).
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Is that Kirks S1 in the photo?
Who's making this for you? I'm curious because I was looking for a Northeast-based shaper a year ago to do the same for me. Contacted every shaper I knew of and none were interested in taking on the project for various reasons.
Finally decided to go with the guy who started the whole Simsup thing, Kirk McGinty/L41 surfboards and was glad I did! Just gave him my specs and let him go and he nailed it. I wish I had been nearby during the build process because I wanted to be involved more, but sometimes you've just got to let go and let the experts handle it.
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Yes, L41 S-1 shaped by Kirk
Is that Kirks S1 in the photo?
Who's making this for you? I'm curious because I was looking for a Northeast-based shaper a year ago to do the same for me. Contacted every shaper I knew of and none were interested in taking on the project for various reasons.
Finally decided to go with the guy who started the whole Simsup thing, Kirk McGinty/L41 surfboards and was glad I did! Just gave him my specs and let him go and he nailed it. I wish I had been nearby during the build process because I wanted to be involved more, but sometimes you've just got to let go and let the experts handle it.
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Just curious...a lot of these posts on the sims design start off with great things to say about the the L41and then in the next sentence they say they are going with another shaper. Seems like the smart money would be on the one who had done the most R&D in this design...which appears to be Kirk....to each his own...
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Why did you choose the S1 instead of the 2, 3, or 4?
Yes, L41 S-1 shaped by Kirk
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You lucky dog GlennB!
i will say thanks to brent as well, stoked you got to tag along with the Leper and Adam-that place is freaky!-next time youre in town let me know and lets go grab a sesh.
Full disclosure as i have done before i am an Infinity homer-my kids rides for them for those that are newer, but besides that you just cant argue with the Boehnes-so much shaping history and knowledge. Dave surfs and shapes and shreds.
Let me say i was very impressed with the L41-Kirks shapes and boards are no joke-in fact they rip!
Im just going Infinity cuz i dig the family-i live locally and all the other things i just said, i encourage everyone to find a nearby shaper you like and if youre gonna get a new board, any board, support your local shaper if you can!
Keep progressing XLR8-i would not say that any shapers version of the simsup is a replacement board-i, like Boludo, love my 8-5 Blurr in the bigger stuff-its an unreal board in juicier waves-but more often than not im riding weaker, smaller, sloppier shaped surf, and any good shapers SIMSUP design is gonna make those kind of waves really fun! Dave Daum with Kings is a great shaper-tons of knowledge-i bet his sim is awesome as well.
GREAT board to have in your quiver-cant wait to order mine-go get one-SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHAPER!!
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That is a beautiful board. I might have to look into going up and seeing them about one. I like the L41, but going all the way up to Santa Cruz or having it shipped doesn't make that much sense, especially with infinity so close to San Diego.
mike
Gonna go Infinity though with similar dims-Infinity tail is quite different than L41-havent ridden the Infninity sim sup yet but i saw Dave throwing his around the other day and how can you argue with his shaping pedigree.
Hi Jon,
Darn business trip just happened to “strand” me on the West Coast over the weekend, so I took advantage of the opportunity to tag along with Strand Leper and Adam on their Sunday morning surf trip down the coast. (Thanks again guys!)
Also had the opportunity to take along an Infinity Phoenix that Brent was kind enough to pad up and add to the shop’s demo fleet while I waited. Right place at the right time! Walked in to Infinity looking for something a little wider than SL’s 27” step up for Sunday’s expected wild and wooly conditions, and walked out with a brand new Phoenix demo under my arm -- 7’6” x 30” x 4”
Unfortunately, I have no idea how this board rides in the small stuff, but I can attest to the fact that it’s a VERY fun, capable performer on the big open faced waves that were hitting down south on Sunday. You definitely should check it out and compare. And please pass along my thanks to Brent!
Regards,
Glenn
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I ordered my L41 S2 with a few extras not shown on Kirks stock S2 here http://tinyurl.com/azojb8h... (http://tinyurl.com/azojb8h...)
1) BEVEL: 1/8" deep by 3" wide (at its widest) bevel on the bottom rail similar to a Walden Magic but not as deep. (He already has a narrower and much deeper chine on his S4)
2) WINGS: Two subtle wings in the tail like his S3.
3) 5th FIN BOX: A 5th Futures fin box will be added to the center tail so I can add a little trailer fin to minimize any possible squirlieness in bigger waves.
4) HANDLE: Along with the regular finger grip handle, he will be adding two leash cups to the deck so I can use my paddle as a handle when walking long distances or scaling cliffs.
QUESTIONS:
-Does anyone know how these bad boys handle in overhead stuff?
-Do you think I should get it painted opaque white or whatever to keep the board from yellowing in the sun?
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Felt that at my height/wt (6'4" 220 lbs +or -) and skill level I needed the volume of 148 liters 8'2" x 32" x 4 3/4". Stability and float was an initial concern and the fuller rails, flatter deck and extra wide tail made sense for what I was looking to get out of the board.
I honestly could not imagine a board that goes rail to rail quicker and easier for me in spite of it's wide plan shape. And the with the additional float I can pretty much catch just about anything. Could probably go smaller today but if I get another Simmons-inspired shape it would be a nose riding longboard in the 9' to 9'6" range.....and to be able to get onto waves earlier from way outside and cruise faster down the line.
Why did you choose the S1 instead of the 2, 3, or 4?
Yes, L41 S-1 shaped by Kirk
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Not sure if this works but turn it up its a great song and cool vid of the MINI SIMMONS
Enjoy
CHill
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-Do you think I should get it painted opaque white or whatever to keep the board from yellowing in the sun?
If you surf a lot, you've got 6 months of whiteness. Epoxy turns yellow at 6 months. For weekend warriors you may get one year of whiteness.
I saw a few customs in Florida that had white pigment added to the epoxy. They looked great and where old, well used boards. I started adding white pigment to mine. It does require cut laps though.
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On the tangent of epoxy yellowing, my local shaper uses a resin he developed and patented called Resin X. It is nonyellowing and has a dampening quality that helps eliminate reverberation in a board when encountering chop. I would like to see his take on the simmons shape, but he is buried in raceboards right now.
www.c3dindustries.com (http://www.c3dindustries.com)
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Boludo's is quite fast!
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Surf%20Pictures%20Only/January-February/CTM_4393_zps2796c081.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Surf%20Pictures%20Only/January-February/CTM_4399_zps61cf7436.jpg)
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Cardiff,
That last shot is REALLY nice (u too big balls).
The framing, the light, the background kelp and offshore haze...
Nice!
SL
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Here are a few more that Cardiff Sweeper shot. Thanks CS for shooting pix, I owe you one...actually I owe you many!
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Great photos guys!
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You mean lose the white if I order a clear board? I'm not sure but I think L41 paints their boards instead of adding opaque to the epoxy resin.
-Do you think I should get it painted opaque white or whatever to keep the board from yellowing in the sun?
If you surf a lot, you've got 6 months of whiteness. Epoxy turns yellow at 6 months. For weekend warriors you may get one year of whiteness.
I saw a few customs in Florida that had white pigment added to the epoxy. They looked great and where old, well used boards. I started adding white pigment to mine. It does require cut laps though.
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Boludo - Is that an L41, and if so, which one is it? The S1, S2, S3, or S4?
Great photos by the way! Do the surfers in the lineup at Cardiff reef hate the sweepers?
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magenta,
It's the L41 S4. 7'3" x 28.5 x 4 1/8 - 96.5 liters.
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Wow, a 7'-3" - how cool! How much do you weigh?
magenta,
It's the L41 S4. 7'3" x 28.5 x 4 1/8 - 96.5 liters.
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Hot damn! Nice board Boludo. CS... great pics What a stoke to see it ride.
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Boludo looking Great! on that board! And that water looks soooooo nice!
Just woke up and water's dead flat and 0 (that's zero degrees) outside! Sea smoke looks cool though, still pretty dark out.
Cardiff thanks so much for posting!
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Wow, I wish these boards were available in Australia. Biggest advantage I can see is with all that speed a good rider is going to be compelled to make use of the paddle. If only I could trial one to test the theory!
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Boludo - How would you describe how your board surfs.... over CS's Starboard Pro you just rode?
Thanks
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http://youtu.be/hHc2OcumxZY
http://youtu.be/UgE5B6JvZg4
http://youtu.be/vwCNUxUEosM
http://youtu.be/mE4Tk4b9oH8
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Nice shots Cardiff Sweeper and cool vid. Beautiful Day. Nice waves Boludo(-: Mahalo
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On the tangent of epoxy yellowing, my local shaper uses a resin he developed and patented called Resin X. It is nonyellowing and has a dampening quality that helps eliminate reverberation in a board when encountering chop. I would like to see his take on the simmons shape, but he is buried in raceboards right now.
www.c3dindustries.com (http://www.c3dindustries.com)
You are right XLR8, Matt at c3 is the man. His formulation has the strength of Epoxy and Stiffness and clarity of a Polyester world but his Formulation is neither. I have seen some boards 2 years later ith his c3 mix and the white still looks white, amazing stuff for sure XLR8.
Etech Boards uses Matt's c3 mixture on their boards and also they use a Sap Formulation which is the 1st FDA approved Formulation which is what I have on my 8.50 Phoenix that came to light after a year of working with Chris Hill from back to Mid 2011 and then came to life on my board back in April 2012 in the pic below. Wow almost 2 years before Infinity came on board Chris Hill and his shaper Greg Eavery from NC opened up to the R&D this Sims Journey with me using ProBox Finsystems and designing the Simmons Inspired Sup Fin line before hitting market, crazy how time flies.
Anyway XLR8 tell Matt I said Hi. Stoked to work with Matt on his Race boards with my Race Fins last year.
Mahalo,Larry
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What amazes me in the vid CS posted, was how stable Boludo was in the soup and going thru waves on that small of a board.
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The pic is me on an 8-12' (faces) day in NorCal. It was taken in November 2010 and I was on an 8' Original SIMSUP S1 (the other three models, S2-S3 & S4) had not yet been created. I surfed for four hours in consistently sized surf. The board held it's own quite well, and it was my first taste of just how well the S1 would perform in larger surf. To date I haven't ridden any waves bigger than I did on that day so I can say from experience that the board will work well in larger than average surf up to 8-12 feet. You can also ride very small waves as the board is a phenomenal wave catcher. That said, I guess you have to ask yourself how often you get out in big surf, and how big it is. I surf Cali waves 99.999% of the time and would consider myself fortunate if I get more than a couple sessions per year in 8-12 ft. range. So, for me, the 8' SIMSUP is a perfect all-around board.
I've owned three SIMSUP series boards. The S1 through S3. I currently ride the S3, have been for over a year, and have no plans to change to another board. The S4 is a departure from the basic S1-S3 design in that the tail has been brought in some, and the topside k-rails replaced in favor of beveled rails on the bottom of the S4 tail. The overall effect of this design change is that the S4 is a bit less stable to stand on and paddle (read "tippier") but is perhaps the most maneuverable, allowing for buttery smooth rail to rail transitions. To illustrate, the S4 surfs like a modern era shortboard while the S3 (for example) surfs more like a mini-Simmons or fish.
It's all a matter of personal choice and what board fits you the best in terms of style, ability and fitness. I prefer the stability of the S3 that still offers a great deal of maneuverability and speed. But for a guy like Boludo who has the skills and the stamina to ride a really short, high performance SIMSUP, the S4 fits him best.
Kirk McGinty at L41 Surfboards is the originator of the Original SIMSUP line. He has created a series of boards that work. Like the title says, "Believe the Hype". I know the boards are good, because I've been fortunate enough to ride all four models. As far as I know there are three Simmons inspired shapers producing SUPs. It's always good to try before you buy, no matter the shaper, boards aren't cheap. Kirk has demo boards available in Santa Cruz at Covewater and the other shapers should have demos also. So demo if you can and then meet with the shaper for discussions about your personal board. If your shaper won't meet with you, or shines you on, or is reluctant to share their time with you.....move on.
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Boludo - How would you describe how your board surfs.... over CS's Starboard Pro you just rode?
Thanks
WOW! Today was an amazing wave day in SoCal. Super glassy with tons of waves. One of the best days in a while. A few good size outside sets that were perfectly rolling thru.
ski,
These boards are soooo different from each other. Biggest just being the rocker. Because CS's board has gobs of rocker, you can go to the bottom of the wave, straight to the top and straight back to the bottom without any issues. That board loves to do that because the rocker will match that wave. So I'd say its more of top to bottom without the worries of perling. CS is a good example how to properly surf that board. He can rip on it all day long. On my board you have to be careful doing that. I've perled it a few times but it's all worth the trade off. If you time it right you can hit the top and point it straight back down if its breaking because the foam will soften up the landing. What I've noticed is your almost better either doing slight turns or keep the rail buried if you are going to do a full cut back. Also the board works very well if you over turn it or slide the tail a little so that the nose is not facing straight down.
They are just 2 different styles of rides. Both fun.
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Did your board feel kinda squirelly in the bigger waves? Did you feel like it would have helped to have a 5th box with a little trailer fin in it on the big days?
The pic is me on an 8-12' (faces) day in NorCal. It was taken in November 2010 and I was on an 8' Original SIMSUP S1 (the other three models, S2-S3 & S4) had not yet been created. I surfed for four hours in consistently sized surf. The board held it's own quite well, and it was my first taste of just how well the S1 would perform in larger surf. To date I haven't ridden any waves bigger than I did on that day so I can say from experience that the board will work well in larger than average surf up to 8-12 feet. You can also ride very small waves as the board is a phenomenal wave catcher. That said, I guess you have to ask yourself how often you get out in big surf, and how big it is. I surf Cali waves 99.999% of the time and would consider myself fortunate if I get more than a couple sessions per year in 8-12 ft. range. So, for me, the 8' SIMSUP is a perfect all-around board.
I've owned three SIMSUP series boards. The S1 through S3. I currently ride the S3, have been for over a year, and have no plans to change to another board. The S4 is a departure from the basic S1-S3 design in that the tail has been brought in some, and the topside k-rails replaced in favor of beveled rails on the bottom of the S4 tail. The overall effect of this design change is that the S4 is a bit less stable to stand on and paddle (read "tippier") but is perhaps the most maneuverable, allowing for buttery smooth rail to rail transitions. To illustrate, the S4 surfs like a modern era shortboard while the S3 (for example) surfs more like a mini-Simmons or fish.
It's all a matter of personal choice and what board fits you the best in terms of style, ability and fitness. I prefer the stability of the S3 that still offers a great deal of maneuverability and speed. But for a guy like Boludo who has the skills and the stamina to ride a really short, high performance SIMSUP, the S4 fits him best.
Kirk McGinty at L41 Surfboards is the originator of the Original SIMSUP line. He has created a series of boards that work. Like the title says, "Believe the Hype". I know the boards are good, because I've been fortunate enough to ride all four models. As far as I know there are three Simmons inspired shapers producing SUPs. It's always good to try before you buy, no matter the shaper, boards aren't cheap. Kirk has demo boards available in Santa Cruz at Covewater and the other shapers should have demos also. So demo if you can and then meet with the shaper for discussions about your personal board. If your shaper won't meet with you, or shines you on, or is reluctant to share their time with you.....move on.
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The pic is me on an 8-12' (faces) day in NorCal. It was taken in November 2010 and I was on an 8' Original SIMSUP S1
Wow! Nice shot!
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On the tangent of epoxy yellowing, my local shaper uses a resin he developed and patented called Resin X. It is nonyellowing and has a dampening quality that helps eliminate reverberation in a board when encountering chop. I would like to see his take on the simmons shape, but he is buried in raceboards right now.
www.c3dindustries.com (http://www.c3dindustries.com)
You are right XLR8, Matt at c3 is the man. His formulation has the strength of Epoxy and Stiffness and clarity of a Polyester world but his Formulation is neither. I have seen some boards 2 years later ith his c3 mix and the white still looks white, amazing stuff for sure XLR8.
Etech Boards uses Matt's c3 mixture on their boards and also they use a Sap Formulation which is the 1st FDA approved Formulation which is what I have on my 8.50 Phoenix that came to light after a year of working with Chris Hill from back to Mid 2011 and then came to life on my board back in April 2012 in the pic below. Wow almost 2 years before Infinity came on board Chris Hill and his shaper Greg Eavery from NC opened up to the R&D this Sims Journey with me using ProBox Finsystems and designing the Simmons Inspired Sup Fin line before hitting market, crazy how time flies.
Anyway XLR8 tell Matt I said Hi. Stoked to work with Matt on his Race boards with my Race Fins last year.
Mahalo,Larry
Great Larry! I did share hello to Matt and he said, "Tell Larry hello and I need to get ahold of him soon and get like 40-50 of those PaddleCore Fitness fins."
And that is truly a fine fin! I raced it all last season on my 14 and did very well in the Great Lakes region. I am excited to try your simmons system too and have been talking with Chill and Dave about getting in line for a board! I'm stoked for that next step!
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Did your board feel kinda squirelly in the bigger waves? No, no at all, very stable, very fast. The S2 and S3 models are even more stable in waves because of the k-rail which is essentially a surfboard rail and not a big thick SUP rail. The boards are also very stable in the whitewash.
Did you feel like it would have helped to have a 5th box with a little trailer fin in it on the big days? No, absolutely not. It would be counterproductive and unnecessary. The whole point is to keep the waterway free of obstructions that would cause drag. Simmons was adamant about that and that's why he put those little fins on the edges of the rails. Minimum interference with the speed he was trying get from his boards via the drag-free waterway. Kirk completely understands this hydrodynamic concept. That why his boards are so fast. He has tweaked the plan shape with other design elements that make the board maneuverable and eliminate the trackiness that can be inherent with this shape. The wide tail gives the board stability which is a big reason the plan shape is so ideal for a short, fast, maneuverable and stable SUP if the shaper knows what he's doing.
The fins on the board in the picture are Lopez SUP quads. Since then I've gone with Controllers which are smaller and add maneuverability without loss of speed. IMHO anyone who puts a fin in the waterway doesn't really get the genius of Simmons hydrodynamic ideas and principles shaped into his original boards which he designed and rode before he died and the progression ended. If you need a fin in the center of the board, then the Simmons inspired SUP is not designed and shaped correctly. Again, that's only my opinion....but I think I'm right. ;)
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srfnff,
Nice pic!
I will slightly comment on the board in bigger surf. I took it out a few weeks ago or so and the waves were definitely over head but nothing huge. Not the best conditions but the S4 seem to do just fine in those waves. It never did skip out on me and does seem like it stays well planted. The rails on the S4 are pretty wild and really do work well for a light weight like me to bury the rail.
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SRFNFF.... nice pic. Hope you bring your S3 out with you when you come here.
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OK....I've been thinking about another board for surf and I want to go shorter than my 9'er. I think this thread has me convinced. I'm wondering about the right mix of dimensions for me. I need more stability than most. Volume is a question too....at 250 lbs 4" doesn't give me much to work with. Thoughts, ideas?
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Srrnff, I would say that you are spot on.
Just my opinion of course, but I think that I am right.
SL
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Boludo - How would you describe how your board surfs.... over CS's Starboard Pro you just rode?
Thanks
WOW! Today was an amazing wave day in SoCal. Super glassy with tons of waves. One of the best days in a while. A few good size outside sets that were perfectly rolling thru.
ski,
These boards are soooo different from each other. Biggest just being the rocker. Because CS's board has gobs of rocker, you can go to the bottom of the wave, straight to the top and straight back to the bottom without any issues. That board loves to do that because the rocker will match that wave. So I'd say its more of top to bottom without the worries of perling. CS is a good example how to properly surf that board. He can rip on it all day long. On my board you have to be careful doing that. I've perled it a few times but it's all worth the trade off. If you time it right you can hit the top and point it straight back down if its breaking because the foam will soften up the landing. What I've noticed is your almost better either doing slight turns or keep the rail buried if you are going to do a full cut back. Also the board works very well if you over turn it or slide the tail a little so that the nose is not facing straight down.
They are just 2 different styles of rides. Both fun.
Great stuff, thanks for the info!
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Awesome! That is good to know about not needing a small trailer fin in bigger waves. Thank you! Kirk is trying to talk me out of it in an email but we haven't had a chance to really discuss that yet. It is so weird for me to think that a big wide thick board like those wouldn't need a little taming in bigger waves with a 5th fin, or thruster, or 2+1 configuration but then I've never ridden a mini sims yet.
I ordered an 8' S2 with double wings like the S3 and an 1/8" deep by 3" wide bevel on the rail bottom kind of like the S4's bevel but far less severe. Do you think I'll be able to drop in old school style and really lay into a bottom turn with my customized S2 or will it still behave more like a rail to rail fish?
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http://youtu.be/hHc2OcumxZY (http://youtu.be/hHc2OcumxZY)
http://youtu.be/UgE5B6JvZg4 (http://youtu.be/UgE5B6JvZg4)
http://youtu.be/vwCNUxUEosM (http://youtu.be/vwCNUxUEosM)
http://youtu.be/mE4Tk4b9oH8 (http://youtu.be/mE4Tk4b9oH8)
Awesome! I appreciate you posting these. I liked watching how boludo was getting into the wave and when he pumped the board a little to generate speed. That's a sharp-looking board too. I like the color scheme and what appears to be a little less volume in the L41s, or maybe it is just redistributed volume. Thanks!
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Yes it's less volume in the L41's but the stability is still unreal. You really only feel the low volume after getting off a wave or going over some foamy spots which does sink the board a little more. Yesterday I paddled about .75 miles to the break I surfed at. Would seem like a lot on a 7'3" but it really doesn't yaw much and the glide is somewhat surprising.
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Did your board feel kinda squirelly in the bigger waves? No, no at all, very stable, very fast. The S2 and S3 models are even more stable in waves because of the k-rail which is essentially a surfboard rail and not a big thick SUP rail. The boards are also very stable in the whitewash.
Did you feel like it would have helped to have a 5th box with a little trailer fin in it on the big days? No, absolutely not. It would be counterproductive and unnecessary. The whole point is to keep the waterway free of obstructions that would cause drag. Simmons was adamant about that and that's why he put those little fins on the edges of the rails. Minimum interference with the speed he was trying get from his boards via the drag-free waterway. Kirk completely understands this hydrodynamic concept. That why his boards are so fast. He has tweaked the plan shape with other design elements that make the board maneuverable and eliminate the trackiness that can be inherent with this shape. The wide tail gives the board stability which is a big reason the plan shape is so ideal for a short, fast, maneuverable and stable SUP if the shaper knows what he's doing.
The fins on the board in the picture are Lopez SUP quads. Since then I've gone with Controllers which are smaller and add maneuverability without loss of speed. IMHO anyone who puts a fin in the waterway doesn't really get the genius of Simmons hydrodynamic ideas and principles shaped into his original boards which he designed and rode before he died and the progression ended. If you need a fin in the center of the board, then the Simmons inspired SUP is not designed and shaped correctly. Again, that's only my opinion....but I think I'm right. ;)
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Larry's attachment is an excerpt from a longer article published by TSJ in 1994, written by John Elwell, a contemporary of Simmons. The title of the article is "The Enigma of Simmons." It is available for purchase ($5) on the TSJ website and I would have attached it here but it is copyrighted. It is well worth the price for more insight into the genius of Bob Simmons, a reticent man who distrusted most people and shared little if any of his inner self (or ideas) with others. A quick search of the TSJ archives will produce several articles on Simmons and would provide a more expansive look at his boards which display how far ahead of his time he was. In my mind there is no doubt that the surfboard designs and shapes we take for granted in this current era would be (possibly vastly) different had he lived.
The information I have attached here is also an excerpt from the aforementioned article. I couldn't find a source for the quote Larry posted from the article, but I don't think it was Elwell who is a more definitive source of accurate info in my opinion. There is also no doubt (as explained in the article) that Simmons made more conventional single fin boards (usually over 10 ft.) for customers and perhaps for the kind of 20 ft.+ surf one finds in the Islands. But Simmons primarily surfed California waves and the boards he rode that the SIMSUP draws inspiration from, were made for the kinds of waves one finds in California and other places with waves like California.
It should also be noted that the SIMSUP designs are "inspired" by Simmons, not slavishly copied. Kirk has taken an already futuristic design and made it current with his extensive design knowledge which is based not only upon study and applied practice, but by the fact that he himself field tests all of his designs. In other words, he knows what works and what doesn't.
If it was me and Kirk said don't put a center fin in the board, I'd listen and follow-up accordingly. And in all honestly that's what I did when we made the first S1 (only for a slightly different reason). I thought the board needed a small center fin in order to keep the board from yawing too much when paddling. I sort of panicked just before the final design was sent to the cutters and Kirk talked me down. As it turns out he was completely right and I was just having an anxiety attack...."over thinking" the board's characteristics. I'm so glad now that the basic fin package does NOT include a center fin.
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Kirk had to talk me down too right before sending it to the glasser. I've been intrigued with mini sims for a while but have yet to read the technical stuff yet. Thanks for posting that. :)
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Rode the S3 demo at Covewater yesterday. And damn it, I can't get anything done today. That's my next board. ;D
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Larry's attachment is an excerpt from a longer article published by TSJ in 1994, written by John Elwell, a contemporary of Simmons. The title of the article is "The Enigma of Simmons." It is available for purchase ($5) on the TSJ website and I would have attached it here but it is copyrighted. It is well worth the price for more insight into the genius of Bob Simmons, a reticent man who distrusted most people and shared little if any of his inner self (or ideas) with others. A quick search of the TSJ archives will produce several articles on Simmons and would provide a more expansive look at his boards which display how far ahead of his time he was. In my mind there is no doubt that the surfboard designs and shapes we take for granted in this current era would be (possibly vastly) different had he lived.
The information I have attached here is also an excerpt from the aforementioned article. I couldn't find a source for the quote Larry posted from the article, but I don't think it was Elwell who is a more definitive source of accurate info in my opinion. There is also no doubt (as explained in the article) that Simmons made more conventional single fin boards (usually over 10 ft.) for customers and perhaps for the kind of 20 ft.+ surf one finds in the Islands. But Simmons primarily surfed California waves and the boards he rode that the SIMSUP draws inspiration from, were made for the kinds of waves one finds in California and other places with waves like California.
It should also be noted that the SIMSUP designs are "inspired" by Simmons, not slavishly copied. Kirk has taken an already futuristic design and made it current with his extensive design knowledge which is based not only upon study and applied practice, but by the fact that he himself field tests all of his designs. In other words, he knows what works and what doesn't.
If it was me and Kirk said don't put a center fin in the board, I'd listen and follow-up accordingly. And in all honestly that's what I did when we made the first S1 (only for a slightly different reason). I thought the board needed a small center fin in order to keep the board from yawing too much when paddling. I sort of panicked just before the final design was sent to the cutters and Kirk talked me down. As it turns out he was completely right and I was just having an anxiety attack...."over thinking" the board's characteristics. I'm so glad now that the basic fin package does NOT include a center fin.
https://m.box.com/view_shared/bbf7848d1d43a55c7b7e
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I will read that tonight. Thanks for providing the link!
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Larry's attachment is an excerpt from a longer article published by TSJ in 1994, written by John Elwell, a contemporary of Simmons. The title of the article is "The Enigma of Simmons." It is available for purchase ($5) on the TSJ website and I would have attached it here but it is copyrighted. It is well worth the price for more insight into the genius of Bob Simmons, a reticent man who distrusted most people and shared little if any of his inner self (or ideas) with others. A quick search of the TSJ archives will produce several articles on Simmons and would provide a more expansive look at his boards which display how far ahead of his time he was. In my mind there is no doubt that the surfboard designs and shapes we take for granted in this current era would be (possibly vastly) different had he lived.
The information I have attached here is also an excerpt from the aforementioned article. I couldn't find a source for the quote Larry posted from the article, but I don't think it was Elwell who is a more definitive source of accurate info in my opinion. There is also no doubt (as explained in the article) that Simmons made more conventional single fin boards (usually over 10 ft.) for customers and perhaps for the kind of 20 ft.+ surf one finds in the Islands. But Simmons primarily surfed California waves and the boards he rode that the SIMSUP draws inspiration from, were made for the kinds of waves one finds in California and other places with waves like California.
It should also be noted that the SIMSUP designs are "inspired" by Simmons, not slavishly copied. Kirk has taken an already futuristic design and made it current with his extensive design knowledge which is based not only upon study and applied practice, but by the fact that he himself field tests all of his designs. In other words, he knows what works and what doesn't.
If it was me and Kirk said don't put a center fin in the board, I'd listen and follow-up accordingly. And in all honestly that's what I did when we made the first S1 (only for a slightly different reason). I thought the board needed a small center fin in order to keep the board from yawing too much when paddling. I sort of panicked just before the final design was sent to the cutters and Kirk talked me down. As it turns out he was completely right and I was just having an anxiety attack...."over thinking" the board's characteristics. I'm so glad now that the basic fin package does NOT include a center fin.
https://m.box.com/view_shared/bbf7848d1d43a55c7b7e
srfnff, The link is from the same article you were commenting on. I guess great minds read alike my friend (-:
It's interesting how people think drag when in the 60's center fins were 1/2 thick and then in the 70's Greeno, Jeff Ho and Greg Liddle changed that way of thinking with Flex Fins in the Hull Market. But let's get back to Simmons. I am still somewhat confused why 2 of the major elements of the Simmons Designs like Twin Fins and Parallel Rails are missing and the boards are more taking and look like CHANNEL ISLAND BISCUIT'S. I guess that goes with the title of this thread, "Believe the Hype"
Don't get me wrong this has nothing to do with Kirk's Boards, he does some beautiful work and knows his stuff. So let's not go down that road because Kirk is not what I am referring to. The miss understanding and repeating of history is what I am talking about. It seems in the last 10 to 15 years the surf industry has taking history and ripped it off to sell their HYPE.
Nice angle shot on that wave my friend!
Mahalo,Larry
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The miss understanding and repeating of history is what I am talking about. It seems in the last 10 to 15 years the surf industry has taking history and ripped it off to sell their HYPE.
Nice angle shot on that wave my friend!
Mahalo,Larry
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You won't get an argument from me on that Larry. The whole advent of the single fin pin tail as the default shape for surfboards is a history unto itself, and a topic for another thread no doubt.
Thanks for the photo comment. It was a real surprise and blessing for me to get that pic.
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this thread continues with good stuff-definitely not putting in a center box on my new Infinity simsup-meeting with dave later this week to hash out details-stoked!
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SoCalSupper
Talked with Dave tonight and you came up
In conversation and from listening to
him your going to get a sick Phoenix
Some really cool stuff getting ready to drop
CHill
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Awesome to see all of this creativity in the SUP world.
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this thread continues with good stuff-definitely not putting in a center box on my new Infinity simsup-meeting with dave later this week to hash out details-stoked!
SoCalSupper, I always say why take away a hidden potential in a unknown world for a extra $5.00 by adding a center box, when later it will costs you a $100.00 to add it if something comes up. If you don't use the center box at first then use a filler strip which I have for my AVS set ups in the pic below. Just make sure in using a center box, you use one that conforms to the board and not a flanged center box that you have to conform the board to suit the box. There are more designs I think some guys will find interesting my friend still in works for this model at Infinity. The few ozs of weight in a standup world you will never feel with the extra box, but hidden potential that you may find will be worth the feeling. These boards were TWIN Fins in the day, but everybody except Infinity is riding them as Quads with Thruster Fin designs, so what's the big deal by adding a center box!
Just something to think about my friend.
Mahalo, Larry
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Definitely not putting a single center box in mine either.
I'm thinking about getting creative and get 2 put in.
Some things get to be experienced.
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Definitely not putting a single center box in mine either.
I'm thinking about getting creative and get 2 put in.
Some things get to be experienced.
Nice getsupngo, Let me share a little story that happened in 2006 with Barry Van Der Meulen. The board in this pic has Probox Finsystem installed with the fin set-up that most people call a McKee set-up. For you that don't know it's a Quad placement like the pic below. The guy that got this board lived in Redondo Beach and is a very good surfer. But when he got this new board from Barry and tried it the board was tracky and hard to ride. The guy asked his friend who had the same board from Barry but fins were placed different. His friend said call Larry, so he did and I told him your Proboxes were placed in the wrong place for his liking. He was bummed and I suggested let me add 2 extra boxes on the same board and lets see what happens. He said Larry 7 boxes is that going to be heavy and feel slungish. I said lets see.
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two center fins???? that's stupid!!! ;)
This board is lights out.
It is the best board i have ever ridden in my life.
Corran Addison Mach 1 outline, thinned, and with Roger Hinds' special sauce added.
Shake it up!
Think different!
Call Bobby Roger Hinds for details...
SL
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Definitely not putting a single center box in mine either.
I'm thinking about getting creative and get 2 put in.
Some things get to be experienced.
Nice getsupngo, Let me share a little story that happened in 2006 with Barry Van Der Meulen. The board in this pic has Probox Finsystem installed with the fin set-up that most people call a McKee set-up. For you that don't know it's a Quad placement like the pic below. The guy that got this board lived in Redondo Beach and is a very good surfer. But when he got this new board from Barry and tried it the board was tracky and hard to ride. The guy asked his friend who had the same board from Barry but fins were placed different. His friend said call Larry, so he did and I told him your Proboxes were placed in the wrong place for his liking. He was bummed and I suggested let me add 2 extra boxes on the same board and lets see what happens. He said Larry 7 boxes is that going to be heavy and feel slungish. I said lets see.
So when we added the 2 extra boxes to the outside rail like the pic below to the same board it worked insane and went off like a rocket. So the moral of this story is for the price of 2 extra boxes the board became magic and was cheaper than buying a new board. Also don't believe what others say who follow the HYPE until you have tried all the hidden possibilities your self along with looks can sometimes be deceiving. Mahalo
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two center fins???? that's stupid!!! ;)
Shake it up!
Think different!
I agree my friend. Mahalo
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^Please give us the story behind that thing. Is that a sup?
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^Please give us the story behind that thing. Is that a sup?
Yes Ninth Circuit, the unique boards are Sups my friend. The "V" Drive was a Velzy Inspired concept to ride on wider tails with 2 3" center fins off the tail at a 20 degree cant using Probox Finsystems to not effect the Quad cluster which is the power feed to the tail of this board. Crazy AH!!!! never say never, when you least expect it.
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^Please give us the story behind that thing. Is that a sup?
Ninth Circuit, Here's the surfboard version of the "V" Drive board with Probox Finsystems. The green and white "V" Drive board were the first done in 09. The white "V" Drive Surfboard at the top pic was done more recent with the Sups.
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.....Let me share a little story that happened in 2006 with Barry Van Der Meulen. The board in this pic has Probox Finsystem installed with the fin set-up that most people call a McKee set-up. For you that don't know it's a Quad placement like the pic below. .....
Another story, so we don't throw Bruce McKee under the bus. In 2010 I had a SUP (from legendary shaper in Hawaii) with a quad placement that looked like McKee. The board worked horrible as quad. The board came with an odd, super tiny rear fin in the back. The tall slid all over the place. Zero hold. Replacing it with any normal size quad fin made it un-ridable. Would not turn.
So I compared the fin placement to McKee's highly detailed data sheet on where the fins should be. The rear fin was placed way too far back. About an 1" too far (if memory serves me).
So how to fix it. Go with McKee's latest data. (BTW, he just published another update to his data). This board had a channel bottom, so it was going to make moving the box a challenge. I could not put a new box on the rail, because a channel was going right thru the spot where the box needed to go. But I could put a box right where the McKee system said it should go.
I was about to find out what an updated McKee system surfed like. So in the new box went, according to McKee. All my previous quads had been edge systems.
Well the board was completely transformed and became my favorite of all my quads. Now I'm hooked on the McKee feel.
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this thread continues with good stuff-definitely not putting in a center box on my new Infinity simsup-meeting with dave later this week to hash out details-stoked!
SoCalSupper, I always say why take away a hidden potential in a unknown world for a extra $5.00 by adding a center box, when later it will costs you a $100.00 to add it if something comes up. If you don't use the center box at first then use a filler strip which I have for my AVS set ups in the pic below. Just make sure in using a center box, you use one that conforms to the board and not a flanged center box that you have to conform the board to suit the box. There are more designs I think some guys will find interesting my friend still in works for this model at Infinity. The few ozs of weight in a standup world you will never feel with the extra box, but hidden potential that you may find will be worth the feeling. These boards were TWIN Fins in the day, but everybody except Infinity is riding them as Quads with Thruster Fin designs, so what's the big deal by adding a center box!
Just something to think about my friend.
Mahalo, Larry
Trust me Larry im into whatever works-like i said earlier this thread is getting insane-i dont know enough about design to make an educated comment but i trust guys like you and Dave-always creative and thinking outside the box.
I love and respect the tradition of the original simmons, but im open to new stuff as well-ive always liked Lepers love of tweaking boards and trying new things-dont have the same budget so ive always played it a little safe design wise, this new simsup will be a big departure for me.
The photos of that McKee design are blowing my mind-honestly havent wrapped my head around it yet.
Stoked on all the great design and innovation talk on this thread-stoked to be talking to Dave soon-Thanks Chill-frothing to see what happens.
Stoked Boludo let me try his board-
did i mention im stoked!
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Found some pics of some dubles.
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Found some pics of some dubles.
Nice one getsupngo, Thought I would do 3 for fun. Why drag things out LOL! Thanks for sharing my friend. Mahalo
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.....Let me share a little story that happened in 2006 with Barry Van Der Meulen. The board in this pic has Probox Finsystem installed with the fin set-up that most people call a McKee set-up. For you that don't know it's a Quad placement like the pic below. .....
Another story, so we don't throw Bruce McKee under the bus. In 2010 I had a SUP (from legendary shaper in Hawaii) with a quad placement that looked like McKee. The board worked horrible as quad. The board came with an odd, super tiny rear fin in the back. The tall slid all over the place. Zero hold. Replacing it with any normal size quad fin made it un-ridable. Would not turn.
So I compared the fin placement to McKee's highly detailed data sheet on where the fins should be. The rear fin was placed way too far back. About an 1" too far (if memory serves me).
So how to fix it. Go with McKee's latest data. (BTW, he just published another update to his data). This board had a channel bottom, so it was going to make moving the box a challenge. I could not put a new box on the rail, because a channel was going right thru the spot where the box needed to go. But I could put a box right where the McKee system said it should go.
I was about to find out what an updated McKee system surfed like. So in the new box went, according to McKee. All my previous quads had been edge systems.
Well the board was completely transformed and became my favorite of all my quads. Now I'm hooked on the McKee feel.
DW, Not my intention to throw McKee under the bus. McKee mainly likes the Thruster feel as you know we had this discussion a few years back on Sways Bro. Just what people should know because it works the same on stand up.
I simple term:
Placement with rear boxes back are good for down the line surf and have the fell of a Thruster.
Placement with rear boxes closer to front but not overlapping makes the board ride like a Twin with power.
But most important it's hard to get a good quad placement with big footed finsystems that were never designed for multiple box placements in the first place.
Thanks for the input my friend.
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Found another duble pic
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Is anyone driving from Santa Cruz to San Diego soon (or at least closer to San Diego) that could bring my new L41 with them? I could pay you for your trouble.
Thanks
Steve
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wouldn't a twin that close increase the drag a lot?
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wouldn't a twin that close increase the drag a lot?
Tautologies, The Twin center fin concept I learned from a old shaper named Bill Thraikill 2009. Here's a link telling you about this. My idea with Etech Boards on "V" Drive Boards came from the Velzy V Fin concept to hold on wide tail board without effecting the cluster set, which is the reason for the extreme cant of 18 to 20 degrees on the "V" Drive Fins. As for drag I think people get confused with LACK of DRIVE confused with DRAG. If your fins are to far forward the board lacks drive and people think drag. Further back then drive comes into play, but to far back is not good because now the fin starts to fight the board. Double sided parallel foil 2 center fins are faster than over toed 4" side fins which have more drag on a 7' board.
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/bill-thrailkill-you-owe-me-new-surfboard (http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/bill-thrailkill-you-owe-me-new-surfboard)
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I actually only felt drag, and it was very noticable, when twins were way too far apart and were placed a little more forward. Thrailkill's twin set up is fast. Its also very fun to ride, another flavor that works great in all wave sizes.
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ok here we go-just got back from Infinity and meeting with Dave for my new Phoenix simsup-even though he hates calling them that.
gonna be a wild one-Dave went out of the box-ran away from the box and jumped headfirst into a twisted gene pool of shaping he found hidden in the deep recesses of his Hypothalmus or whatever you call that little squishy spot in your melon that houses creative radness.
Dave looked a little ragged possibly from loss of sleep due to a recent addition to the family and he started going all Dr. Franken-shteen!!
As long as his brain is working while shaping this and not Abby Normals....
dims are approximately 7-3ish x 28ish x 4ish x 95ish Liters-pretty thin nose and tail and an extra surprise in the rails!
4 box Pro Box Larry Allison adjustable cant insert fin system.
I left a lot of the design up to dave, he can handle it..
Pretty boring paint for me-Cobalt blue and Yellow-hoping for new OAM pads coming out soon.
NO CHECKERS!! >:( :o ??? :'(
I know but it was time to give that a little rest-besides theyre everywhere else on me so, sorry Spicolli!
Will post more pics as shes being created if i can get some.
Ok zoners lets hear about and see your pics of your future simsup-all makes and models-lets keep the design stoke going!
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Nice SoCalSupper
Dave has some really good stuff getting
ready to drop , after our conversation
the other day I want the V4 now , can't
wait to see what your doing
I'm with Dave call them a PHOENIX by
INFINITY and drop the simsup
Dave and his Dad have some really good
ideas for these boards not yet seen
I'm stoked on my V2 won't be selling this one
CHill
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Oh and I've seen the surprise in the
rails you lucky dog and good to see you
keeping it short and not wide Dave has a
way keeping stability yet getting stuff
thin and not wide
CHill
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7'3" you madman! man how stoked are you can't wait to see the finished product. whats the eta?
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Timsup anyone?
Off to the laminator... what is Chelu's drink of choice, again?
7'3" by 4 by 28.5
SL
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ok here we go-just got back from Infinity and meeting with Dave for my new Phoenix simsup-even though he hates calling them that.
gonna be a wild one-Dave went out of the box-ran away from the box and jumped headfirst into a twisted gene pool of shaping he found hidden in the deep recesses of his Hypothalmus or whatever you call that little squishy spot in your melon that houses creative radness.
Dave looked a little ragged possibly from loss of sleep due to a recent addition to the family and he started going all Dr. Franken-shteen!!
As long as his brain is working while shaping this and not Abby Normals....
dims are approximately 7-3ish x 28ish x 4ish x 95ish Liters-pretty thin nose and tail and an extra surprise in the rails!
4 box Pro Box Larry Allison adjustable cant insert fin system.
I left a lot of the design up to dave, he can handle it..
Pretty boring paint for me-Cobalt blue and Yellow-hoping for new OAM pads coming out soon.
NO CHECKERS!! >:( :o ??? :'(
I know but it was time to give that a little rest-besides theyre everywhere else on me so, sorry Spicolli!
Will post more pics as shes being created if i can get some.
Ok zoners lets hear about and see your pics of your future simsup-all makes and models-lets keep the design stoke going!
All right my friend. What color Fins do you want?
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It seems like those almost half-moon fins wouldn't be drivey enough, but hey, I'm new to the sim thing...
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It seems like those almost half-moon fins wouldn't be drivey enough, but hey, I'm new to the sim thing...
Maybe with this angle giving you a comparison in size of fins to board. I a sure you these fins at 5 1/2" tall by 10" Long are over drive my friend. After almost a year of designing and testing with Chill in different size surf big and small this is the end result. No guessing here on these Twins for this type of wide tail boards.
Notice the Surfboard Simmons compared to the Sup Simmons in size, before and after in pic below.
Thanks for asking! Mahalo, Larry
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magentawave
Half moon keels work trust me in
both prone and SUP Simmons boards
Being done right and placed back at the tail
Keeps the wide tail from drifting with
no loss of drive
I've learned from riding these type of boards
for almost 5 years it looks weird but don't let it
fool you
I've attached a pic of an original Simmons
Enjoy
CHill
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The more I read about sims the more I thought I knew to be true about design that gets blown away. It seems like those keels are hardly foiled compared to "normal" fins where a lot more material comes off the trailing edge to create the foil.
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magentawave
I will let Larry answer the fin question
Once you figure out that TRUE Simmons
style boards work it really opens your
eyes and not at just what your looking
at but what you feel
Check out what Daniel Thomas (Tomo)
is doing with his short boards even though
they are not wide check the parallel rails
and how wide his tails and nose are compared
to his width on the boards
Looks are deceiving with Simmons it's
all about speed and control
CHill
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The more I read about sims the more I thought I knew to be true about design that gets blown away. It seems like those keels are hardly foiled compared to "normal" fins where a lot more material comes off the trailing edge to create the foil.
magentawave, The trick is to keep the foil round on the core length for water flow and not thin with a flat which will cause the fins not to give you drive due to the lateral flex and water hold with to thin a fin , will become a wash. In the 60's these Simmon fins were double foil, but I learned with the Gane Garden Twins in early 2000 double foil in the same plan shape was to directional and hard to turn. So we went back to 1/2 foils not 80/20 foils. Which added the ease of turning with bigger fins like the ones you see here.
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Stoked Chill!-yeah the rails are gonna be full mind blowers-i would be skeptical and kinda freaked out if not coming from Dave.
the boehne mind/design collective is full pegged right now.
Nice SL!-i think Chelu drinks Venezualan Coffee or is it Ovaltine/Vodka?-pics look great!
Larry-i like all those colors!!-Just by chance-anything with Chex! 8)
Endless-full froth mode right now-not sure ETA-gonna be a while i think-ive been on a diet and Pilates kick for a bit now just trying to get down to Boludo weight so i can have more fun and last longer-these shorter shapes are leg burners!
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My first mini-Simmons shortboard was twin fin equipped. It was fast and turned pretty well....after all, it was only 5'11". My friend got one very similar to it made by L41 Kirk and equipped with quads. There was no question that the quad was more responsive and maneuverable with no loss of hold or speed. For me quads are the way to go, especially when you move up to a higher volume board like the SIMSUPs or others like it. In the end it may just be personal preference, but I'll go with the quad every time for high line speed and juiced maneuverability.
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Boludo,
Just what have you done?!?
Twelve pages and three to however many people ordering boards later... here we are.
Before we go on and talk about our Pheonix's, and our Daums, and (my) Timsup, and whatever other names we have going... (all cool boards, some long in development)... please understand that this is not intended to take away from anyone's amazing shapes or ideas that have been posted on this thread...
I just want to make sure that everyone remembers where and why this thread started.
Because Boludo got a mind blowing kick a** board from Kirk McG at L41 in Santa Cruz.
Let me repeat, we are at page twelve of this thread because Kirk McG at L41 in Santa Cruz shaped Boludo a board that literally blew his mind.
The board that Corran shaped me will have a massive influence from Kirk's SIMSUP4, no question about it. It better... because I told him that I wanted one of "those" (as I pointed to the SIMSUP S4)... and Corran as my shaper of many years asked if he could try his hand at that type of board and throw his spin on it... and then I tried to micromanage as best I could... ("more vee off the tail... the vee should start higher... no, the fins go there... are you sure that the flip won't detract too much from planing ability?")... and Corran likely ignored me as he knows by now that is probably best... and shaped me a cool looking board... that would not have been shaped had Boludo not received an amazing board from Kirk at L41 in Santa Cruz.
Anyway, prop's to Boludo for thinking outside of the box and ordering such a funky machine.
And MAD props to Kirk at L41 for having the stones to fuse the old and the new and come out with the rad.
Should I fire off a royalty check to Kirk? Probably.
SL
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Stoked Chill!-yeah the rails are gonna be full mind blowers-i would be skeptical and kinda freaked out if not coming from Dave.
the boehne mind/design collective is full pegged right now.
Nice SL!-i think Chelu drinks Venezualan Coffee or is it Ovaltine/Vodka?-pics look great!
Larry-i like all those colors!!-Just by chance-anything with Chex! 8)
Endless-full froth mode right now-not sure ETA-gonna be a while i think-ive been on a diet and Pilates kick for a bit now just trying to get down to Boludo weight so i can have more fun and last longer-these shorter shapes are leg burners!
For you my friend will this work. One of a kind. LOL
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Yes SL, Boludo gave us the op to share Simmons History to Simmons today and lets not forget the most important thing Simmons was a TWIN FIN. Nice Ride this thread. Thanks Boludo. Mahalo,Larry
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(http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18584.0;attach=29971;image)
For you my friend will this work. One of a kind. LOL
Isn't that a version of the Cheyene Horan Star Fin.
Did you make that pink one with the checkered finlets?
Great Fin for longboards or longboard style sups,
but a kelp catcher...it is so perpendicular...I've
wondered if a swept version would work as well,
but I guess the winglets would still catch the kelp.
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I just want the fin because it matches my Vans. ;D
This simsup thing has my interest. The simsup1 looks like it would work the best for the conditions around here. Hmmm.......love me some twin fins, need to see if this will work. XLR8, what do you think Matt could do with this design?
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Stoked Chill!-yeah the rails are gonna be full mind blowers-i would be skeptical and kinda freaked out if not coming from Dave.
the boehne mind/design collective is full pegged right now.
Nice SL!-i think Chelu drinks Venezualan Coffee or is it Ovaltine/Vodka?-pics look great!
Larry-i like all those colors!!-Just by chance-anything with Chex! 8)
Endless-full froth mode right now-not sure ETA-gonna be a while i think-ive been on a diet and Pilates kick for a bit now just trying to get down to Boludo weight so i can have more fun and last longer-these shorter shapes are leg burners!
For you my friend will this work. One of a kind. LOL
:o :o :o :o You had me at "For" Larry!!!
Yep big props to Kirk-L41-how funny is it we already have lots of shapers tweaking an already tweaked old school prone shape-just unreal progress in the sup world.
Call em what you want to-i call it all fun.
SL-upon further inspection-ok mind fondling- of corrans version i really like that thin slight diamond tail!!, and those pinchy rails look like nice speed generators!
That was something i really liked about Boludos board-skinny tail!!
gonna commit to riding this thing twin for a bit just to get a real sense of the simmons like quality-but prob will switch to full quad with different cants in the end.
another thing i find so cool about all this is that IMHO this shape lends itself to allowing really quality local shapers ,be you in Socal/Norcal, wherever, a chance to really shine and show their stuff. Different iterations on tail-rail-bottom-fins etc.. completely fascinating to see what will come from Kirk-Dave B.-Dave D.-Corran-add other established shapers here-etc..Youre not gonna see QUALITY simsup shapes from your costco anytime
soon.
And how long before we see others jump in?-Naish-Hobie etc.. Will some shapers hold out thinking its a fad?-Is it a fad?
like i said, call it what you want-im all in...
Interesting and fun times ahead i predict this year!
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SL, SoCal, Big Ed, and all others, I'm stoked about your boards. When all this is said and done, I think all the little boards are going to call for a play date.
SL, cool of you to give props man. Kirk has been a great guy to work with and I've been nothing but impressed from everything to quick response and turnaround, and finished product. And I must say the glassing is amazing! It's fun to see all the different flavors of these inspired boards.
Larry, no disrespect at all as I enjoy reading all your comments and knowledge on fins, however I may be taking your comment a little out of context when you say "lets not forget the most important thing Simmons was a TWIN FIN." If I were a psychologist I would point out that you are constantly reminding us that Simmons was twin fin and we should not forget that. Not quite sure who you are pointing your finger at.
I will raise my hand and say that I ride my board as a quad. Will I ride it as a twin from time to time...sure why not. Am I showing disrespect because I'm riding it as a quad...I don't think so.
My board is not a copy of a simmons board and neither are the fins. That's why the shapers will say "inspired" not copied. I believe I am able to state that my board has some simmons inspiration built in it and still run it as a quad if I desire.
I guess I'm just stating the obvious, Simmons was a twin fin. I know that and I doubt that I will forget it.
Anyways, congrats fellow brothers! Excited for ya.
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And furthermore, these boards allow you to severely downsize in length while maintaining stability. :)
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And furthermore, these boards allow you to severely downsize in length while maintaining stability.
Well said Cardiff Sweeper !
Quote of the week !!
CHill
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And furthermore, these boards allow you to severely downsize in length while maintaining stability.
Well said Cardiff Sweeper !
Quote of the week !!
CHill
:D :D :D
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February 23, 2013. We already have it scheduled.
O-side.
Be there, be square.
My Timsup and my Mod Twin will be done.
If your toys aren't done yet, come and fondle mine! (My wife says that I over use that line)
It will be a RAGER!
SL
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Now that's speed right there. When did that board get started? Your projects must get high priority!
Interesting tangent on twins, Tim: Roger Hinds' Country label 6'5 swallow twin fin is temporarily in my possession. I got iced in one session after borrowing it.
I'll keep my eyes peeled for the chance that the Timsup ever becomes a hand-me-down.
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Xlr8,
Corran has never taken more than a week to shape a board, from order to delivery to the glasser. I caught him after he finished the last batch of orders and was getting ready for a trip abroad. If he wasn't headed out of town, he would have glassed himself today.
That twin is such an amazing board. It is one of the things that inspired the other twin thread. That board has seen some days... It is so cool that her life is extending into the heartland.
SL
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February 23, 2013. We already have it scheduled.
O-side.
Be there, be square.
My Timsup and my Mod Twin will be done.
If your toys aren't done yet, come and fondle mine! (My wife says that I over use that line)
It will be a RAGER!
SL
SL - pls post pics. Corran put out a pretty cool pigfish back in the early imagine days.
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SL, SoCal, Big Ed, and all others, I'm stoked about your boards. When all this is said and done, I think all the little boards are going to call for a play date.
SL, cool of you to give props man. Kirk has been a great guy to work with and I've been nothing but impressed from everything to quick response and turnaround, and finished product. And I must say the glassing is amazing! It's fun to see all the different flavors of these inspired boards.
Larry, no disrespect at all as I enjoy reading all your comments and knowledge on fins, however I may be taking your comment a little out of context when you say "lets not forget the most important thing Simmons was a TWIN FIN." If I were a psychologist I would point out that you are constantly reminding us that Simmons was twin fin and we should not forget that. Not quite sure who you are pointing your finger at.
I will raise my hand and say that I ride my board as a quad. Will I ride it as a twin from time to time...sure why not. Am I showing disrespect because I'm riding it as a quad...I don't think so.
My board is not a copy of a simmons board and neither are the fins. That's why the shapers will say "inspired" not copied. I believe I am able to state that my board has some simmons inspiration built in it and still run it as a quad if I desire.
I guess I'm just stating the obvious, Simmons was a twin fin. I know that and I doubt that I will forget it.
Anyways, congrats fellow brothers! Excited for ya.
BOLUDO, NO DISRESPECT taken my friend. I thought your title of this thread was insane, great choice "BELIEVE THE HYPE" Your title drew alot of people here, which was smart on your part. I just wanted to remind the new comers about TWINS just like you wanted to remind them about QUADS. Forums are great to share knowledge and understanding. I am a firm believer of the more someone knows and understands the better it is on their hard earn dollars spent. Alot of good info here, even other concepts like 6 and 7 fin boards with a purpose along with a new TWIN concept by Bill which alot of you didn't know existed and worked until now. GOOD stuff and info from everyone Boludo, thanks for sharing my friend. Mahalo, Larry
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I just can't wait until pics of the finished boards start showing up.
SL
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Yeah me too! Kirk told me yesterday my board should be ready in about two weeks - can't wait!
I just can't wait until pics of the finished boards start showing up.
SL
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ok here we go-just got back from Infinity and meeting with Dave for my new Phoenix simsup-even though he hates calling them that.
Way to go Jon; no matter what you and Dave end up calling it.....I'm sure it's gonna be one helleva board.
Stoked for you....and dang man, "95ish Liters".....pilates must really be doing it for ya! :o :D
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Timsup anyone?
Off to the laminator... what is Chelu's drink of choice, again?
7'3" by 4 by 28.5
SL
Nice T.
Good news is that "off to the laminator" is gonna be a real short trip.....like maybe, just down the stairs. ;) :D
BTW, at his 50th....he seemed to be enjoying an adult beverage that rhymes with, "ummm". ;D
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And furthermore, these boards allow you to severely downsize in length while maintaining stability.
Well said Cardiff Sweeper !
Quote of the week !!
CHill
+1
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Stoked Chill!-yeah the rails are gonna be full mind blowers-i would be skeptical and kinda freaked out if not coming from Dave.
the boehne mind/design collective is full pegged right now.
Nice SL!-i think Chelu drinks Venezualan Coffee or is it Ovaltine/Vodka?-pics look great!
Larry-i like all those colors!!-Just by chance-anything with Chex! 8)
Endless-full froth mode right now-not sure ETA-gonna be a while i think-ive been on a diet and Pilates kick for a bit now just trying to get down to Boludo weight so i can have more fun and last longer-these shorter shapes are leg burners!
SoCaSupper, Here's a Chex fin to give you a idea how your Twins will look on the Phoenix Board. Let me know your thoughts. I am in design mode! Chess anyone :) Mahalo,Larry
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Stoked Chill!-yeah the rails are gonna be full mind blowers-i would be skeptical and kinda freaked out if not coming from Dave.
the boehne mind/design collective is full pegged right now.
Nice SL!-i think Chelu drinks Venezualan Coffee or is it Ovaltine/Vodka?-pics look great!
Larry-i like all those colors!!-Just by chance-anything with Chex! 8)
Endless-full froth mode right now-not sure ETA-gonna be a while i think-ive been on a diet and Pilates kick for a bit now just trying to get down to Boludo weight so i can have more fun and last longer-these shorter shapes are leg burners!
SoCaSupper, Here's a Chex fin to give you a idea how your Twins will look on the Phoenix Board. Let me know your thoughts. I am in design mode! Chess anyone :) Mahalo,Larry
I really need that fin Larry! :o :o
No chex on new Phoenix coming so this will get it done for sure!
Seriously how do i get those?
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I just can't wait until pics of the finished boards start showing up.
SL
Here is mine. 8'4" x 30 x 4 1/4... I went for super light weight 1lb foam no gloss no deck pad just monster grip & wax.... 15lbs. Had it one week is freakin awesome. ;D Thank you Dave Daum.
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clean ride Poppy!
another fine board by DD.
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Boludo I flat out love the collective synergy of this string! It's cool to feel like we are innovating as a group. I watch the L41 Instagram looking for a glimpse of my S4 quad on order. I feel like a kid listing for the UPS truck. Larry your participation on this forum is of great value and respect for history is always important. Someday we will be the old cranky dudes at SanO looking back at this time.
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Boludo I flat out love the collective synergy of this string! It's cool to feel like we are innovating as a group. I watch the L41 Instagram looking for a glimpse of my S4 quad on order. I feel like a kid listing for the UPS truck. Larry your participation on this forum is of great value and respect for history is always important. Someday we will be the old cranky dudes at SanO looking back at this time.
Hey!, 5*-whats the deal holding out on us!
All this kumbaya family talk and i find out youre gettin a simsup too and no facts!! ???
Details man we need details!!
Or im telling mom....
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The speed with which SimmonsishSUP fever has spread is remarkable.
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I'm trying to picture a Corran Sup wider than 26".😳
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Boludo I flat out love the collective synergy of this string! It's cool to feel like we are innovating as a group. I watch the L41 Instagram looking for a glimpse of my S4 quad on order. I feel like a kid listing for the UPS truck. Larry your participation on this forum is of great value and respect for history is always important. Someday we will be the old cranky dudes at SanO looking back at this time.
Hey!, 5*-whats the deal holding out on us!
All this kumbaya family talk and i find out youre gettin a simsup too and no facts!! ???
Details man we need details!!
Or im telling mom....
I beat you to it FILO! I already told Mom and she says Big Ed is in big trouble!
I must say (trying to be humble here) that this is one dang good thread! I've enjoyed everyones stoke and input and all the ridiculous fin set ups by Larry. It's been pretty exciting. I'm just excited for you guys because I know how fun they are.
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I'm trying to picture a Corran Sup wider than 26".😳
I think his hands were shaking... and he had to stop halfway through to see his therapist. He managed it though!
SL
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Here is my 8' L41 S2 (with a beveled rail similar to the S4 but more subtle) ready for glassing...
EDIT: By the way... There is a 120+ long thread at Swaylocks about sims. Its interesting that there is so much fascination with these boards.
I just can't wait until pics of the finished boards start showing up.
SL
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Here is my 8' L41 S2 (with a beveled rail similar to the S4 but more subtle) ready for glassing...
Nice, an S2 with wings similar to the S3, and beveled rail similar to the S4.....now that's pulling them all together.
So mag, looks like you're going with a S2/3/4... ;) :D
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Magentawave, what will the glassing schedule look like? The color and shape are killer!
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SoCaSupper, Still not to late to add that center box my friend ;) It's alot cheaper than $25,00.00!
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Boludo I flat out love the collective synergy of this string! It's cool to feel like we are innovating as a group. I watch the L41 Instagram looking for a glimpse of my S4 quad on order. I feel like a kid listing for the UPS truck. Larry your participation on this forum is of great value and respect for history is always important. Someday we will be the old cranky dudes at SanO looking back at this time.
Big Ed, Thanks for the kind words my friend. Comments like yours make my day from the rip offs of the wanna be corp world. I am all about the "RIDE" and corps have no clue so they are all about the "FASHION". I can always make Performance a Fashion, but you can't always make FASHION a Performance as I state in this interview below.
Probox Larry / Fibre Glas Fin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oN8TziAEFM#ws)
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Boludo I flat out love the collective synergy of this string! It's cool to feel like we are innovating as a group. I watch the L41 Instagram looking for a glimpse of my S4 quad on order. I feel like a kid listing for the UPS truck. Larry your participation on this forum is of great value and respect for history is always important. Someday we will be the old cranky dudes at SanO looking back at this time.
Hey!, 5*-whats the deal holding out on us!
All this kumbaya family talk and i find out youre gettin a simsup too and no facts!! ???
Details man we need details!!
Or im telling mom....
I beat you to it FILO! I already told Mom and she says Big Ed is in big trouble!
I must say (trying to be humble here) that this is one dang good thread! I've enjoyed everyones stoke and input and all the ridiculous fin set ups by Larry. It's been pretty exciting. I'm just excited for you guys because I know how fun they are.
Boludo, Thanks for the kind words my friend! All I can say is "TWIN! TWIN!" ??? GOT YA! ;D Just kidding :) I understand what you were talking about " Simmons Inspiration" I have had a couple long conversations with Kirk a week back. I can relate, Cool guy for sure. Enjoy my friend! Mahalo, Larry
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Larry,
I enjoyed the video.
Also, I owe you an apology. I didn't mean to lash out of you. I've been under the weather for over a week and one week of no surfing for me, puts a usual happy me into a bad mood. In the end I felt like I kept interpretating your words as a way of talking down on L41 or Kings or other simmons inspired SUPs for using quads rather than TWIN. I'm sure I just got an incorrect reading from you. It's all good though!
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Larry,
I enjoyed the video.
Also, I owe you an apology. I didn't mean to lash out of you. I've been under the weather for over a week and one week of no surfing for me, puts a usual happy me into a bad mood. In the end I felt like I kept interpretating your words as a way of talking down on L41 or Kings or other simmons inspired SUPs for using quads rather than TWIN. I'm sure I just got an incorrect reading from you. It's all good though!
Thanks Boludo, I admire the loyalty you have to your shaper. No apology needed my friend, if you only knew what the reps of my competition say about me to sell their wanna be stuff your hair would fry and they are serious because they want that pay check. I need to get paid also don't get me wrong, but there is a differance between taking money from someone and earning the money. As you see I spend alot of time learning what the problems are so my customers hard earn money is spent wisely. Thanks for sharing my friend and I hope you feel better. Mahalo,Larry
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Larry-seriously where can i get some of those chex fins?
Quads also or just twins!?
Magenta-saw your board a few days ago on Instagram-beauty!
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Larry-seriously where can i get some of those chex fins?
Quads also or just twins!?
Magenta-saw your board a few days ago on Instagram-beauty!
SoCalSupper, Call me at the Factory 310-530-1383. I can make you Quads,Twins, Twinzer, Singles what ever my friend. Still working on 3 designs for these boards for Proboxes that you will change your mind again. I will have them done before your board Twins are ready in production which Infinity has, but not Chex. I only have enough of Chex for you only. Mahalo, Larry
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stoked!
Ive been a mild fin geek in the past but i think this simmy im gonna go full Geek!
gonna get lots of diferent fins to play with.
Ill take a few sets of quads and twins for sure-calling you when i sign off!
Hey did you hear that everyone-PBL is making me my own signaturre line of chex fins!
Dude i must rip!! :D
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Good question. We never discussed that and probably should have! I think its double 6 oz E on the deck with single 6 oz E on the bottom but could be wrong. Does anyone else know what Kirks "standard issue" glass job is with the L41 sups? Is it worth the extra $ to use S cloth or whatever?
Magentawave, what will the glassing schedule look like? The color and shape are killer!
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from the original simsup site
"Three layers 6 oz. E deck, 6/4 oz. E bottom, vent plug, handle and four Futures boxes"
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Awesome looking board! Has the deck caved in a little in the last week? Do Kings board vacuum bag the glass jobs?
Here is mine. 8'4" x 30 x 4 1/4... I went for super light weight 1lb foam no gloss no deck pad just monster grip & wax.... 15lbs. Had it one week is freakin awesome. ;D Thank you Dave Daum.
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Great vid Larry.. Great story.. Great fins.
DJ
Probox Larry / Fibre Glas Fin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oN8TziAEFM&feature=youtube_gdata_player#ws)
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I have never checked out Instagram before. Were there more photos of my board than the one I showed here?
Magenta-saw your board a few days ago on Instagram-beauty!
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Thanks. Yeah, 3 layers on the deck makes a lot more sense!
from the original simsup site
"Three layers 6 oz. E deck, 6/4 oz. E bottom, vent plug, handle and four Futures boxes"
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Magenta, Your board looks great. You're gonna love it.
So I'm recovering from this cold that has kicked my butt. I look at reports and it's fairly calm 1-3' and sunny. So I think yeah I will be fine just cruising around catching little waves. Turned out to be a beautiful sunny glassy day. Fun super small waves and very relaxing. A guy in mid 20's, super lean, pulls up on an 8'8 progressive shaped board and starts to ask me about my board. We chat it up and I tell him to hop on it. He wants to but he was trunking it and didn't want to get wet. 30 minutes later I can tell it's killin him. I tell him to just take it out. He gets on it, paddles it no problem. I tell him that he needs to catch 2 waves because the first one may feel a little odd. No waves for 20 minutes then a set comes through. He grabs it and milks that wave. I could tell he was a short board surfer the way he was surfing it.
He comes back so fired up and says he was surprised at how fast it was for the gutless waves that were coming through. He said it felt just like being on his 5'6" shortboard. He says he shortboards most the time but likes to mix it up with SUP. He offers to buy my board. We work out some details and now I "may" be buying a very similar L41 S4 board. May be just a little narrower or a little thinner.
So the moral of the story is don't ride my board unless you're prepared to buy one!
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What you wrote gets me fired up even more so I can't wait until my new board is done! Is it Cardiff Reef you were talking about? I drove by there about 3 today - not much in the olas department but conditions were perfect. I'm sup boardless at the moment cuz I just sold my sup a couple days ago to pay for my new board.
Magenta, Your board looks great. You're gonna love it.
So I'm recovering from this cold that has kicked my butt. I look at reports and it's fairly calm 1-3' and sunny. So I think yeah I will be fine just cruising around catching little waves. Turned out to be a beautiful sunny glassy day. Fun super small waves and very relaxing. A guy in mid 20's, super lean, pulls up on an 8'8 progressive shaped board and starts to ask me about my board. We chat it up and I tell him to hop on it. He wants to but he was trunking it and didn't want to get wet. 30 minutes later I can tell it's killin him. I tell him to just take it out. He gets on it, paddles it no problem. I tell him that he needs to catch 2 waves because the first one may feel a little odd. No waves for 20 minutes then a set comes through. He grabs it and milks that wave. I could tell he was a short board surfer the way he was surfing it.
He comes back so fired up and says he was surprised at how fast it was for the gutless waves that were coming through. He said it felt just like being on his 5'6" shortboard. He says he shortboards most the time but likes to mix it up with SUP. He offers to buy my board. We work out some details and now I "may" be buying a very similar L41 S4 board. May be just a little narrower or a little thinner.
So the moral of the story is don't ride my board unless you're prepared to buy one!
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Not it was not Cardiff Reef.
I just got an email from him (I gave him my email while we were out there). " I can't get that wave out of my head, it felt so good I can't even tell you. So fast, I am pumped on that board!"
Funny thing was another guy that tried my board a while was out there as well and he also asked if I was selling it. It's become quite the hit.
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Maybe Kirk can make it down for our So Cal demo day... with some demo boards... to unload on the unsuspecting SUP public?
:)
Classico move Boludo!
Chelu's rum of choice is Santa Theresa Selecto. FYI
SL
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...and I happen to be next in line to try it.
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Magenta, Your board looks great. You're gonna love it.
So I'm recovering from this cold that has kicked my butt. I look at reports and it's fairly calm 1-3' and sunny. So I think yeah I will be fine just cruising around catching little waves. Turned out to be a beautiful sunny glassy day. Fun super small waves and very relaxing. A guy in mid 20's, super lean, pulls up on an 8'8 progressive shaped board and starts to ask me about my board. We chat it up and I tell him to hop on it. He wants to but he was trunking it and didn't want to get wet. 30 minutes later I can tell it's killin him. I tell him to just take it out. He gets on it, paddles it no problem. I tell him that he needs to catch 2 waves because the first one may feel a little odd. No waves for 20 minutes then a set comes through. He grabs it and milks that wave. I could tell he was a short board surfer the way he was surfing it.
He comes back so fired up and says he was surprised at how fast it was for the gutless waves that were coming through. He said it felt just like being on his 5'6" shortboard. He says he shortboards most the time but likes to mix it up with SUP. He offers to buy my board. We work out some details and now I "may" be buying a very similar L41 S4 board. May be just a little narrower or a little thinner.
So the moral of the story is don't ride my board unless you're prepared to buy one!
Classic-i never thought to ask you to sell it to me!! ;)
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Neil in NorCal. 6'2" and 210 lbs. on a stock 8' SIMSUP S3 (8'X30.25X4.5X125L) Quad. ::)
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Awesome looking board! Has the deck caved in a little in the last week? Do Kings board vacuum bag the glass jobs?
Here is mine. 8'4" x 30 x 4 1/4... I went for super light weight 1lb foam no gloss no deck pad just monster grip & wax.... 15lbs. Had it one week is freakin awesome. ;D Thank you Dave Daum.
Yes the deck has caved slighty where I stand. It may have something to do with applying 175lbs of pressure with my feet. ??? The trade off for light weight to fragility I guess. Am not sure if they vacuum bag the glass boards though I know he does bag the carbon race boards.
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Poppy,
My super light boards do this I like it as it is easy to know where I am on the deck w/o looking.
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Poppy,
My super light boards do this I like it as it is easy to know where I am on the deck w/o looking.
Yes as long as there is no delam... it's all good.
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Carbon boards get pressure dents, too.
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I had my first SIMSUP S3 vac bagged because I wanted the lightest board I could get. It came out at 13 pounds without fins or pad. I don't install pads anymore on my surfing SIMSUPs. They're unnecessary, and just add weight and cost. Wax works just fine. Re the glassing the issue is finding someone who does it, and does it well. Would I do it again? Not sure. A lot of glassers claim their conventional glassing jobs are just as light and strong, but from the research I did, vac bagging is the lightest and strongest you can get. If I was really confident in my glasser I most likely would pay the extra cost to have a lighter board.
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I know about 3 factories in Florida that vac bag their boards.
The lightest, while still being heel dent proof, without bagging, around here is a 2 layer bottom of 3.6 oz S. the decks are 2 layer 3.6 oz S with full carbon patch hidden under deck pad. Stringless 1.5 lb blanks.
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The 1 pound blanks just dent no matter what you do (in my experience) But they are so worth it!
SL
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No deck pad, eh? I know it adds more weight but it sure seems like it would also add a lot more protection to the deck of the board in preventing much deeper foot and knee dents that without the pad could delaminate later. What do you think?
I had my first SIMSUP S3 vac bagged because I wanted the lightest board I could get. It came out at 13 pounds without fins or pad. I don't install pads anymore on my surfing SIMSUPs. They're unnecessary, and just add weight and cost. Wax works just fine. Re the glassing the issue is finding someone who does it, and does it well. Would I do it again? Not sure. A lot of glassers claim their conventional glassing jobs are just as light and strong, but from the research I did, vac bagging is the lightest and strongest you can get. If I was really confident in my glasser I most likely would pay the extra cost to have a lighter board.
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No deck pad, eh? I know it adds more weight but it sure seems like it would also add a lot more protection to the deck of the board in preventing much deeper foot and knee dents that without the pad could delaminate later. What do you think?
That hasn't been the case. Denting is minimal and it just isn't an issue.
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Kirk talked me into going with a deck pad.
That hasn't been the case. Denting is minimal and it just isn't an issue.
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Kirk talked me into going with a deck pad.
That hasn't been the case. Denting is minimal and it just isn't an issue.
No big really, I was just super focused on making the board as light as possible. The downside of wax for me is that it gets on your paddle handle. Every once in a while I have to take the pickle to the shaft to clean it up. Just about everyone goes with a pad.
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Well, I happened to try out Boludo's board today. Super fun from the first wave. For a 7'3", I had to get my foot up on the nose when paddling just before the drop. Surf was small today in Cardiff, and that thing caught every wave I went for. Late dropped and early dropped without hesitation. I took a left up off the lip and could snap it around easily (surfs off the tail). And I almost had a cheater-five on an inside section.
I won't be ordering a Simsup anytime soon, but you kids are sure to have fun on them. :)
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CS, I enjoyed watching you surf it. Love your style!
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Well, I happened to try out Boludo's board today. Super fun from the first wave. For a 7'3", I had to get my foot up on the nose when paddling just before the drop. Surf was small today in Cardiff, and that thing caught every wave I went for. Late dropped and early dropped without hesitation. I took a left up off the lip and could snap it around easily (surfs off the tail). And I almost had a cheater-five on an inside section.
I won't be ordering a Simsup anytime soon, but you kids are sure to have fun on them. :)
Come on CS!!
SIMMY!, SIMMY!
you know you want to...
everyones doing it...
what are you, some kinda SUP purist or somethin man....
Just one, your moms not gonna know, come on try it man...
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Thanks, Boludo. :)
SoCal, I'm pretty sure SL's CorranSimSup will change my mind.
The color theme alone will do it for me.
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CS,
Man today was night and day different from yesterday. Today was REALLY good surf. Had a great sesh with Kneecap.
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Ughhh. End of the month, then I can come play. Glad you guys scored.
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Infinity Mini Simmons shape going airborne-hoping to replicate this on my Infinity Phoenix :D ::)
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You can really see the concave in the bottom. That is the first photo of a sim flying that I've seen!
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Twin fin and single concave = speed
Great pic SoCalSupper I have a 5'10" Tombstone its a GREAT board
CHill
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Big Ed has something to share...
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/14/zujaqa5a.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/14/na8ygupa.jpg)
On the truck from Santa Cruz S4 8'3" x 31" x 4" 5/8 for 135L I'm 6'3" 235
I'm going X-trax and a stomp pad.
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nice ed. mine is curing.
SL
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Nice! My L41 will be done this week and on the truck next Thursday. Hey, who is delivering your board, and where is it going?
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Soon to be heard......"Hey Chelu, what do you think about a Mini Simmons shaped SUP?" :D
Nice looking board there Ed, should be a whole bunch of fun!!
SL, yours is looking REAL nice also. So when do you think we can....... ;) ;D
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Now thats a sled worthy of a 5* rating!! ;D
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Nice dims and great looking board!
Pretty small board for a big guy! You have my respect.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/14/zujaqa5a.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/14/na8ygupa.jpg)
On the truck from Santa Cruz S4 8'3" x 31" x 4" 5/8 for 135L I'm 6'3" 235
I'm going X-trax and a stomp pad.
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Nice! My L41 will be done this week and on the truck next Thursday. Hey, who is delivering your board, and where is it going?
I'm doing will call at Conway trucking on Convoy..." We ourselves a Convoy"
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Thought you all might enjoy this sequence of Brad Rochlitzer (B-Rock) rockin' the house on his custom L41 Original SIMSUP S4 at a local NorCal beach break. This spot almost always serves up a substantial helping of power, speed and shape. Photos by Jeff Chamberlain.
There's more shots of the same session posted on their website http://www.original-simsup.com/ (http://www.original-simsup.com/) Click on Galleries, lower right on the home page.
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Big Ed - How much are they charging you? And how much extra did Kirk charge for boxing it?
Thanks
Steve
EDIT: I just called Conway and they quoted me $211.00. Just curious... How come you used them when UPS is only $100.00 and Leon is only $60.00? Because you can't wait to get it NOW?
Nice! My L41 will be done this week and on the truck next Thursday. Hey, who is delivering your board, and where is it going?
I'm doing will call at Conway trucking on Convoy..." We ourselves a Convoy"
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Big Ed - How much are they charging you? And how much extra did Kirk charge for boxing it?
Thanks
Steve
EDIT: I just called Conway and they quoted me $211.00. Just curious... How come you used them when UPS is only $100.00 and Leon is only $60.00? Because you can't wait to get it NOW?
Nice! My L41 will be done this week and on the truck next Thursday. Hey, who is delivering your board, and where is it going?
I'm doing will call at Conway trucking on Convoy..." We ourselves a Convoy"
I sent you a PM
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Here is a photo of my new hybrid S2 Kirk sent me today. Its the S2 but has double wings like the S3 and beveled rail on bottom similar to the S4. Someone on here called it an S2 3/4 recently. Anyway, I need to get it from Santa Cruz to San Diego or at least closer to SD real soon - even LA would be okay. Is anyone heading down from Santa Cruz sooner that could bring it with them? I'd chip in for gas. :) If I use Leon I won't get it for another 10 days. Aaargh!
Thanks
Steve
EDIT: Its 8' X 30.5" X 4 9/16" X 129 liters. Ask me if I'm stoked... YES, I'm stoked!
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Dude makes some awesome looking boards.
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likely to be a smart move to wait versus using a freight co.
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You guys are killing me. I'm riding a 7'4" X 33.5" ANGULO fish. I have a 7'11" KING'S Simmons Sup being glassed. I am trying to figure out if I can get a SIM SUP and get away with calling it my wife's new board.
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And here's another teaser of my new board from Kirk. Sure is a lot going on with this board, eh?
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So sick! You are going to have so much fun on that board. I've never seen Kirk use that color before so you've got an original ORIGINAL. It looks a lot like my S3 (only a thousand times nicer because of the color) but I read your posts about customizing the S2 to suit your preferences. Mega Congrats.
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Magenta,
Cool to that you've customized and personalized it to you. I like it. You're going to be a proud papa!
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This board started as an S2 but with the mods Kirk now calls it an "S2/3/4" because I had him add the S3's double wings for backside stuff. And since the S2 has a thicker "K" rail than the S3 there was room for him to add a semi S4ish bevel to the bottom rail which should help rail to rail stuff. I was tempted to forgo the pad to save weight but opted for a black pad and black or smoke Controller fins. I always think I'm going to go with a different color but when its time to choose I often go with yellow for some reason. Anyway, she should look really sharp with the black on yellow and dark fins.
So sick! You are going to have so much fun on that board. I've never seen Kirk use that color before so you've got an original ORIGINAL. It looks a lot like my S3 (only a thousand times nicer because of the color) but I read your posts about customizing the S2 to suit your preferences. Mega Congrats.
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Day-glo yellow + black pad = aesthetically AWESOME!
Someone shoot magenta shredding on this board in an overcast low-light situation....boards gonna pop! Love the build on this one.
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That board is pretty neat looking!
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Congrats!
Just put a coat of Monster Traction on my new "baby": can't wait to try it! Stoked! :)
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I think I am officially on the bandwagon. Just need to figure out who is going to shape one for me.
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Congrats!
Just put a coat of Monster Traction on my new "baby": can't wait to try it! Stoked! :)
I lasted one session with monster. not enough grip for the feet.... I waxed over it for session two.
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This board started as an S2 but with the mods Kirk now calls it an "S2/3/4" because I had him add the S3's double wings for backside stuff. And since the S2 has a thicker "K" rail than the S3 there was room for him to add a semi S4ish bevel to the bottom rail which should help rail to rail stuff. I was tempted to forgo the pad to save weight but opted for a black pad and black or smoke Controller fins. I always think I'm going to go with a different color but when its time to choose I often go with yellow for some reason. Anyway, she should look really sharp with the black on yellow and dark fins.
Very beautiful board, looks like so much fun.
Oh, and I really like what Kirk is now calling it..... (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=18584.msg186285#msg186285) ;) ;D
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Picked up the Timsup. Don't have the right fins yet. Extreme angle swell... Bypassing most of OC and SD. Found a spot pulling in quite a bit of swell somewhere in S SD. Shoulder to OH plus on the sets. Lots of current and backwash. Breeze early, chop early. What the heck...
Put on future keels (front) and 325s rear. Would like a more vertical rear, like a controller type, but those are in my surf pack that matrdog is holding for me. Chop, backwash, side wash and a bit of power... And the inside section standing up over the cobbles. Paddle past the proners... A hundred or two hundred yards South. Just me and my two mates, Adam and Gregg. Three of us on this peak for three plus hours.
All lefts. Super amazing difficult fun session. Just a tough spot to wire.
Wave one: late takeoff overhead close out. Board handles the drop nicely, I pivot towards the close out, straighten out and shoot the board free. Nothing learned, really... Oh, I guess I learned that I really like the slight flip that Corran gave me on the tip.
Wave two: shoulder high, make the first section, gently nursing the board off the bottom, go for a snap turn and nearly spin out. Wrong rear fins... Milk the wave all the way in and change fins on the beach to the Jaimie Mitchell rears. Wrong foil, wrong rake, but maybe the right surface area.
Waves three: head high almost glassy. Racing the section... Speed to burn. Snap turn under the lip BAM... No loss of speed back into the pocket... Pump through two or three sections... Just flowing. Pretending I am Rasta, getting ready to pleasure my hot supermodel wife. Speed to burn. Kick out and paddle back out. A little corky (h/t Fark), not the right conditions for the board, but liking the stability in the rip chop backwash.
Wave after wave... Just blowing through sections... A dozen all the way to the beach and just powering through unmakeable waves... Nursing it high on the face, letting it run as I flow down the face.
Just fun, fast, and loose.
Kooked a couple of waves... One in particular where I faded too deep and looked like a bronco buster trying to find my way back to the open face.
Gotta dial the fins.
Holy Toledo. Thanks Boludo! Thanks Kirk Mcginty! Thanks Corran for making it happen and your twists.
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Strand Leper - How big is your sup and are you a goofy or regular foot?
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7'3" by 28 by 4. 96 or 98 liters (forget which)
Goofy.
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SL, we need more board porn. Don't hold out on us.
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After reading all about the hype, I had to find out about it myself. So went in the garage and made one! Like the old Monkees song "I'm a believer" Still dialing it in, but so far "To much fun"!
STAND UP SURFING ON A UMIPIG BOARDS SIMMONS SHAPE SUP on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/59781786)
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JeanG,
I am beat. Pics tomorrow. You can really turn these things... But unless you just want to squirt around, you've really got to bury the rail...
Also, I am obviously not used to all that width... I was fading on a pretty fun sized wave, and when I went to do my redirect turn, I just "ankled" it ... The board started to come around and then said "dude, you need to commit" ... It really forces you to engage your whole body in each turn (not in each flick... You can flick it really easily)... But the payoff is a that you really need to pay attention to the basics, where is my weight? Am I compressing into the turn? Am i extending out of the turn? Etc. I see my surfing improving as a result of using this board.
The spot I was at has lots of dead spots in the wave... And the board was just POWERING through them... All the way to the cobbles and to the shore break.
I couldn't tell if I was hopping onto the waves earlier than I otherwise would have... As the conditions were so sloppy. But when I paddled Mach 1 out for a few waves the the wind blown slop (conditions deteriorated a bit), it was BRUTAL... Caught a few fun waves on Mach 1, however. In the end, I cannot wait until I figure out this board. Ordered some Futures Controller fins from my equipment guru Ralphie... Gonna spray some monster paint on the front of this puppy.
I cannot imagine how stable this board will be in glassy conditions.
If you have a deficiency of style, (ummm, yes), this type of board is like a style trainer.
You need to engage your body, or you will not get this board to anywhere near its potential.
STOKED!
SL
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7'3" by 28 by 4. 96 or 98 liters (forget which)
Goofy.
Without a picture, it doesn't exist ;D ;D
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SL. That's awesome. Can't wait to see some pix! You're right on the speed of them. You can get a lot of 2fers with the board. I caught a good wave that flattened out, from the distance I could see another section building. I was hydroplaning to the next section and made it. Turned a short ride into a long one.
My new one was just shaped yesterday. 7'2" x 28 x 4 1/8. Photo courtesy of Kirk. Oh and it's another S4.
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Congrats!
Just put a coat of Monster Traction on my new "baby": can't wait to try it! Stoked! :)
I lasted one session with monster. not enough grip for the feet.... I waxed over it for session two.
Yes, Ican tell that I'll need some wax. I dislike booties, but at this spot i need them. First session yesterday and had a blast. Super easy to get into waves and very loose; caught a rail on one wave as it's definitely different than my boards with the pulled in noses. Caught a left (backside for me) and made a couple of turns off the top. The tide was dropping fast so I caught one in before the reef could do any damage to myself and the Black Beauty.
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Frank, What are the specs on that board? You guys in CA are lucky - those look like 'forever' waves like in the NW with reform, etc..
Jim
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Frank, What are the specs on that board? You guys in CA are lucky - those look like 'forever' waves like in the NW with reform, etc..
Jim
Jim,
Board is 8' x 29" x 4", 110L, single to double concave V-tail, quad. Put a bamboo veneer top so using wax to not cover it up and actually using the kick pad with this length board.
Yeah it's been a good winter with consistant north swells here in Ventura! Had it up this weekend at the Rock in Morro Bay, CA in head high plus and it handled well dodging the proners.
Frank
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Big Ed-
Can you give us a review after you spend some time on your new board? I weigh the same as you, but 2 inches shorter. Interested on the stability of that board for you in windy, choppy, bumpy, backwashy conditions. Or maybe you plan on using this for glassy days? Thanks!!
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Pic's:
Corran nailed this one... Kirk McGinty inspired it... Boludo opened the door.
Here she is: Timsup is the genre... have not named her yet.
Had her out this arvo in 1-3 reef break to sand finish.
Here is the deal. Remember when you got your iphone, and recognized how easy it was to send pictures, but were unaware of how the device could streamline your life? That is basically where I am with this board.
I disagree with Josh a little on this point. If you were the least bit inclined, this board could be a quiver killer... with the right quiver of fins, it could be a quiver destroyer. No, I am not selling all of my skinnies... but this board is damn fun... isn't that why we started this whole standup thing in the first place?
Racing sections, getting dusted in little barrels, squeezing out of a few... throwing tail in six inch high sections... busted the tail clear on one but I wasn't expecting it so I didn't land it... trying 360's in the closeout soup... stretching the toes over the nose... just because. It was like pure sugar... like listening to Echo and The Bunnymen perform Ocean Rain with a live orchestra (remember that tour?)... like eating both sides of the Mastro's 72 Ounce Porterhouse... like eating frozen Ding Dongs... like sitting in the jacuzzi after a long day on the mountain... like swimming back to the beach with a stringer of White Seabass trailing behind... like dating Bar Rafaeli, and you find out she's smart...
My friend Daniel and I were basically the only guys out at this spot... he was pretty blown away at this board and how it performed...
Nope, not selling my skinnies.... (PM me ;) )
SL
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SL,
First let me clarify my statement of not a quiver killer. For the 2 months or so I've owned this SIMSUP, I have not taken any of my other boards out. So when I mentioned that, it was my first go round. So let me rephrase my statement: Hi, my name is Boludo and I'm a SIMSUP addict. Been SIMSUP'd for 2 months with no hope of quitting.
2nd of all SL, HOT DANG!!! The board looks KILLER! I love that I can read your reviews and I keep nodding my head, yep, yep, yep, that's exactly right. Let me add something for you. It only gets better and better as you become more at one with her. Can you seriously believe how crazy good they work. I'm still shocked every time I take her out.
What's the weight of her? Hope you don't mind me asking your new girls weight.
Stoked for you Brotha.
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Boludo,
I am not sure of the weight... I will weigh her this week. She is light. About the same weight as my other Corran boards.
SL
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shes a beauty Tim!
im gonna go all Nostradamus on everyone and predict we will see tons of these out in the lineup starting real soon, bigger guys can ride them and i guarantee their surfing will improve, guys that surf often and rip will go shorter and thinner and mess with the dims to get a board still floats them fairly easily and boosts thier surfing performance, a truly new direction in sup surfing is upon us.
Im gonna start calling these Viagrasups.
If your session lasts more than 4 hours....
side effects include stoke, excessive smiling and more stoke.
Ask your doctor if your heart is ready for lots of stoke....
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SoCal.. that's really good.
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SoCal... I gotta agree... here's the longish reason I am a late bloomer in the SIMSUP conversation.
When I first saw the SIMSUP, I thought... just another Twin Fin replay.
I had gone through it in the early 70's.... they were all the rage for a time, but shape evolution moved relentlessly toward the no nose thruster concept. The Twins had wide noses and were prone to getting hung up on a cutback. I had always wished that we had the very narrow nose designs when I was in my prime. To see it come up again didn't interest me much..... BUT.... seeing TimSUP has peaked my interest ;D
Tim... that board is so very sweet looking. Wow... the bottom... crisp tail... great chines... fins look well placed.... looks to be a really interesting board! Corran nailed the color... pad, graphics.... Primal Creek may just be able to jump on one of these by summer ;D
I want to see pictures and vids of that little ripper in action!
I put together a medley of very rough shots pulled from an old 8mm movie.... Me riding my G&S Twin Fin in about 1972. the photos of the board are not mine.... just similar, to show how close they looked to the SIMSUPs in general.
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SL,
First let me clarify my statement of not a quiver killer. For the 2 months or so I've owned this SIMSUP, I have not taken any of my other boards out. So when I mentioned that, it was my first go round. So let me rephrase my statement: Hi, my name is Boludo and I'm a SIMSUP addict. Been SIMSUP'd for 2 months with no hope of quitting.
I would have to back up Boludo here. I have had my SIMSUP for a month now and it continues to amaze me. I knew the moment I saw the design it would be a revelation. I thought a couple years ago when the Jammer came out "Thats it" the wide tail was the key to added stability... but it was not quite there. It was short board, easy to paddle, easy to catch waves... but it stopped there it kind of surfed like a slug. The simmons inspired designs have the rest of the design elements, less rocker, thin rails, and especially the double concave vee in front of the fins allows the board to transition easily from one edge to the other... In other words it surfs more shortboard like without giving up stability. I have an Infinity Blurr which surfs incredible.... but it is so much more fun to surf on the SIMSUP and not have to wobble around between waves just trying to stay upright.
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im gonna go all Nostradamus on everyone and predict we will see tons of these out in the lineup starting real soon,
I don't know. Gong had these kind of boards (mini simmon / wombats / "short longboards") in production since fall 2010, all who tried them rave about them on the forums and on the beach (theye are the ones that I use the most), but you do not still see them in any significant numbers on the spots. I think that since they are totally ignored by the SUP magazines, main brands , contests, and sponsorized surfers the average rider do not want to try them and stay with the seen-in-the-contests traditional shapes.
I really hope all of you will be able to change that and open the eyes of the average (and above) SUPers around the world... speed is fun AND easy to get!
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I had this idea a few years ago. Blow up my 5'6" Fartknocker and see if it'd work.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Dec%20and%20Jan/E41B3B8F-DACF-473B-8846-2718A7EBA3A1-1197-0000018E2AAADFDA.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Dec%20and%20Jan/6CBB850D-C372-4938-BC54-DC6358D859EC-1197-0000018E2EE527F0.jpg)
Quad
Step deck
Beveled rails
Huge concave
Fun!
Fast!
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im gonna go all Nostradamus on everyone and predict we will see tons of these out in the lineup starting real soon,
I don't know. Gong had these kind of boards (mini simmon / wombats / "short longboards") in production since fall 2010, all who tried them rave about them on the forums and on the beach (theye are the ones that I use the most),
yes coolas, i am one of those, it is the board i use the most
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That board looks amazing, SL. Sounds like the perfect dimensions too.
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They look like wake boards ;)
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All,
Look, I still think that milking the last fifteen percent of performance on a decent wave is going to come from a well shaped narrower board...
But the fun factor, and the performance that you can wring out of these wakeboards is undeniable...
A very, very (very) fun addition to the quiver.
SL
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You convinced me bru
I am ordering one
Thanks SL
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Awesome looking board, what are the dims SL?
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I haven't surf a Fartknocker but they have always looked like they'd be a blast to surf. And yeah, add some length, thickness, and maybe 'S' rails and it is very simsy-ish inspired.
I had this idea a few years ago. Blow up my 5'6" Fartknocker and see if it'd work.
Quad
Step deck
Beveled rails
Huge concave
Fun!
Fast!
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SL, Is that your first board with a FCS handle? How do you like it? I picked up one board with it and loved the feel of it. My new SIMSUP will have it.
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Boludo,
No, I have a few with the FCS handle and LOVE it/them!
No negatives... all positives.
SL
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Ummm...
George Greenough, 1966.
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Thanks SL.
southwesterly, great photo and cool board.
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The fantastic plastic machine!
Ummm...
George Greenough, 1966.
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Ski bike: 7'3" by 28 by 4
Primal Creek: come out and try my board when u hit 195!
Supperson: when yours is done, post her up! Don't go too low on the volume.
Boludo: look what you started... Thanks!
JeanG: I am pretty stoked on the dim's and on the Corran twists to the SimSUP idea.
Cardiff: zactly.
Sw: zactly.
Colas: you been preaching, we been watching. Now we be listening.
SL
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That Fartknocker is an awesome fun board. My 200# buddy rode a 6.0 in faced up, hollow overhead down at Punta Mango in El Salvador. Had the same notion the other day when I was looking at them in the shop. I am going to blow up this one, Stewart's old S-rail fish/Therapy. Doing it myself, we'll see...last board I made got me in big trouble with my dad for blasting foam powder all over the garage. Then in more trouble when I left a surfboard shaped ring of resin on the floor during my ill fated glassing fiasco. Then more trouble when I ruined a good pair of rainbows and glued my toes together. Damn thing rode though, even had its own warning horn as the fins hummed really loudly going down the line. On second thought, think I will hire it out to a professional.
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^^^^ kind of like this?? I'm 6'1" almost 260 plus winter rubber.... This board is 8'10"x32"x5" (but only under my feet when in paddling). Not a sim-sup, nor a thread jack attempt. Just similar to the Stewart pictured above. Round nosed fish.
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I'm not sure if the Sim is a crappy weather friend or a simply a "weird" board for the quiver.
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A good summertime board for SoCal.
:)
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Thats what I was thinking but I'm starting to see photos of guys surfing them in overhead stuff so I'm hoping my new sim sup will be a quiver killer.
A good summertime board for SoCal.
:)
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latest Infinity Phoenix photos from Dave-blank on order and Dave set to begin working out the details you wont see in the pics.
I told him the parameters i wanted but left it open to his expertise on the details regarding bottom-rails-etc... there will be some changes from what the pics show-this is just the general outline.
96.5 liters - i agree with SL that i dont want to struggle the entire sesh-i could have gone lower but i just think this board is supposed to maximize small waves and still be somewhat paddle friendly.
More pics to come once the foam mowing starts...
Cool to see everyones boards coming along and finished products.
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Yeah SoCal, That's exciting! A bit of a teaser...can't wait to see more.
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Nice Soke!
As to the quiver killer question, for 90 percent of SuP surfers, if you don't go with too much volume, and you are open to fin experimentation, it could easily be a quiver killer.
The exception is the guy or gal who is riding super hollow waves and wants to get deeper... And the guy or gal who wants to be able to lay it on a rail with an ankle twitch.
All just IMHO of course.
I see my quiver evolving a bit in the next month.... And I've only surfed it twice.
For the very serious SUP surfer, I think a SimSUP type board (or a TimSUP ;) ), and a step up could cover pretty much the whole gamut.
SL
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And she is here by christened, "TimSUP".
All in favor...?
Those opposed...?
So let it be written, so let it be known.
*slams gavel*
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And who makes the TimSUPs?
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Cardiff,
So it is written.
Timsup she is known by all men hereinafter.
Magenta,
Corran Addison makes them.
SL
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No i dont need any Viagra! >:(
Having surfed Boludos L41 just two waves i arrived at the conclusion that i would probably never again ride my 8-8 x 28 x 4 again in small waves-these little simsups are just too much fun-i dont mind the extra workout-remember people you can always sit down between waves.
If its not a quiver killer its a quiver mangler!
always gonna keep my Blur-always gonna keep some kinda simsup-now i gotta go get a more log type for when i really just feel like cruising and practicing my cross step, helicopters etc..
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TimSUP ;D
perfect
Thanks for the offer SL... I just may have to do a left coaster run.
Been a while, but a TimSUP session is mighty good motivation.
to do list:
lose 40 more lbs
sell something to raise necessary$$$$ (I'm running out of things to sell :'()
fill the tank
head west
(hurry... cuz Tim goes thru boards like Imelda Marcos goes thru shoes)
Keep an eye out for me ;D
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Went out this morning and size was pretty big but all over the place from the after storm affects. Got out and balance was tougher but manageable. If you hit the right spot, it would peak up super fast on you. I was so surprised how well it handle some really steep drops for not having that much rocker. It so small that you just step back and let the drop happen. I hit some really good fast chop hops on the face of the wave. Got caught in the inside for about 10 minutes which was getting very old but made it back out, eventually. The whole diversity of today made it fun. Just proof that these boards can handle many different conditions.
As I was done walking back, a guy kept looking at my board and he stopped me. Said "what size is that"? Told him 7-3. He said "okay now you have my attention". We talked for about 20 minutes. He said he rides short boards and has had nothing against SUPs it's just that those big SUPs didn't appeal to him one bit but said this one does. He took down a bunch of info with a notepad and pen including the famous Kenalu paddle.
Another great day!
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Damn it was windy this morning too! That's awesome you made it out. I've really been wondering about paddling in rougher conditions. Part of my sales job to the missus is the whole more days in the water aspect. The other half is promising to take her to Sano more if I have a board that I like to ride there. I think This'll fit the bill.
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kneecap, I was thinking of you today with all the crazy rights going off. Few guys getting quick spitting barrels on the rights. At my usual spot, there were these cool fun bowls that would just hollow out for a short time. I'm still working on my rights so today was good practice.
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Went out this morning and size was pretty big but all over the place from the after storm affects. Got out and balance was tougher but manageable. If you hit the right spot, it would peak up super fast on you. I was so surprised how well it handle some really steep drops for not having that much rocker. It so small that you just step back and let the drop happen. I hit some really good fast chop hops on the face of the wave. Got caught in the inside for about 10 minutes which was getting very old but made it back out, eventually. The whole diversity of today made it fun. Just proof that these boards can handle many different conditions.
As I was done walking back, a guy kept looking at my board and he stopped me. Said "what size is that"? Told him 7-3. He said "okay now you have my attention". We talked for about 20 minutes. He said he rides short boards and has had nothing against SUPs it's just that those big SUPs didn't appeal to him one bit but said this one does. He took down a bunch of info with a notepad and pen including the famous Kenalu paddle.
Another great day!
you gotta start getting some commission $ from Kirk! :D
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haha! I should! Actually just having that board alone is a real bonus for me.
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Guess which one is getting most of the love.....
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:)
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Today was fun at Oside Jetty's 3-4 occaisonally 6 foot.... The waves were about 4 seconds apart... made it very interesting. Some steep drops it was thick and lippy with a bunch of sideswell bounce and chop.... SIMSUP handled it well. ;D
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I went out at the reef. It wasn't easy for the first half-hour, then it glassed off and the crowd was just myself and two other guys. I got a couple bomb drops, cranked it hard right off the bottom and up the face into...
nothing?!
Waves were lacking proper shoulders due to the shifty nature of the windswell.
Size wise, it was overhead on the biggest waves. Two, three wave sets. Jumbled up, hard to balance, and was thinking of this thread and how easy it is to paddle a "believe the hype" board.
I did manage a fast right that held up and got half-pitted. Went in after that.
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So I've been telling myself that I wasn't going to try Boludo's board until I was ready to pull the trigger on one. I broke that today. Waves we about had high and really fun though a little slow on some of the rights.
I've got about 25 lbs on Josh but was able to paddle his 7'3" 96l board very easily, silly stable really. It caught waves really easily as well. Crazy how the belly nose lifts like a boat when you catch a wave. Once you get moving the board just wants to squirt through turns, almost shoots out from under you. Those boards are surprisingly fast. I could set an edge as hard as I wanted though I had to stretch turns out a little more than I'm used to. I bet I could change that after I ride it a few times. One wave backed off so I crossed up to the nose and through 5 with a soul arch til it steepened up and I nailed the end section. A very different experience but tons of fun!
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And 25 pounds more than Josh means you weigh how much?
So I've been telling myself that I wasn't going to try Boludo's board until I was ready to pull the trigger on one. I broke that today. Waves we about had high and really fun though a little slow on some of the rights.
I've got about 25 lbs on Josh but was able to paddle his 7'3" 96l board very easily, silly stable really. It caught waves really easily as well. Crazy how the belly nose lifts like a boat when you catch a wave. Once you get moving the board just wants to squirt through turns, almost shoots out from under you. Those boards are surprisingly fast. I could set an edge as hard as I wanted though I had to stretch turns out a little more than I'm used to. I bet I could change that after I ride it a few times. One wave backed off so I crossed up to the nose and through 5 with a soul arch til it steepened up and I nailed the end section. A very different experience but tons of fun!
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Kneecap is pushing 190 ( I think). I weigh around 165 ish. Had fun switching it up on kneecaps Corran board. 100% surfboard. Enjoyed the sesh.
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Yep, I weighed in at 189 dry the other day before wetsuit, paddle, etc. Normally surf a 92l Mach1. Sorry if my post is hard to read I'm using swipe to type on my phone and sometimes it types something other than what I'm thinking.
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I pulled the trigger and ordered a 7'6" TimSup today.
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TimSUP ;D
perfect
Thanks for the offer SL... I just may have to do a left coaster run.
Been a while, but a TimSUP session is mighty good motivation.
to do list:
lose 40 more lbs
sell something to raise necessary$$$$ (I'm running out of things to sell :'()
fill the tank
head west
(hurry... cuz Tim goes thru boards like Imelda Marcos goes thru shoes)
Keep an eye out for me ;D
Road trip!..... ;D
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Corran could be quite busy in the coming weeks. :)
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Yes he could be. Email with specifics and dimensions sent to him last night... this forum is worse than a drug habit.
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I weigh about the same as Kneecap so I'm thinking a little sup like yours would be awesome for chest high super clean glassy conditions.
Kirk texted me to say that Leon picked up my SHOCKING YELLOW board today so I'll have it Monday night. Yay!!!
Kneecap is pushing 190 ( I think). I weigh around 165 ish. Had fun switching it up on kneecaps Corran board. 100% surfboard. Enjoyed the sesh.
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kayadogg... buddy....pal... ;D ;D ;D
so... gonna be a SimSUP in the neighborhood this spring!
creek likey ;D
dibs on first swap, out at our favorite break!!!!!
Axeman... you in for a road trip?
My little Honda will be tight with the two of us in it.... but I see a little "Cannonball Run" to the left side!
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Fin experimenting... The front fin on the quad controller is too splayed and a bit shallow.
Love the rear fin though.
Rode it for a few waves with the full future controller set... Too east to blow the fins out. A fun set up for a long mush burger, however.
Switched back to future k1 and used the controller quad rears... That set up,is pretty close to optimal...
Maybe a slightly smaller front fin...
Out for now.
SL
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So my previous L41 SIMSUP has gone to a new owner that will soon be moving to Costa Rica. It was love at first ride for him so he bought it on the spot and I have since ordered another L41 SIMSUP, almost identical with just a few minor changes. Here's a picture (underside shot) in progress that Kirk sent me.
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Looks pretty. What specs did you change?
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shes a beauty Chomps!
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Thanks guys.
7'2" x 28 x 4 1/8. so just an inch shorter and half inch narrower. A little different on the glassing with carbon rails. Other than that, all the same. Oh and I will have the new fcs handle.
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Thanks guys.
7'2" x 28 x 4 1/8. so just an inch shorter and half inch narrower. A little different on the glassing with carbon rails. Other than that, all the same. Oh and I will have the new fcs handle.
Can not wait to see this thing especially with the carbon rails!
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Carbon rails will be good for demo day.
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Awesome Boludo! 25 pages later you've come full circle. This shape is so hot it is evolving within its own thread! I may get a chance to get a taste of the simmons style in early April, I will be in Irvine for a weekend.
I hope the new board is great! It looks great.
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Big Ed, Are you saying my board may get a few whacks on demo day? ;D
XLR8, I hope you do get a chance to ride one of these simmons inspired boards. Just be prepared to write a check.
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I LOVE that L41 quad fin cluster!
Congrats Boludo... Can't imagine giving up my TimSUP (for any amount of coin). You are a generous cat!
SL
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Maybe I missed something here but how has Boludo come "full circle" when his new board is pretty much the same as his old board?
Awesome Boludo! 25 pages later you've come full circle. This shape is so hot it is evolving within its own thread! I may get a chance to get a taste of the simmons style in early April, I will be in Irvine for a weekend.
I hope the new board is great! It looks great.
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XLR8, I hope you do get a chance to ride one of these simmons inspired boards. Just be prepared to write a check.
I was a victim of that this week. They truly are amazing boards.
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Hey Magentawave -
How about a report on how your new SIMSUP board rides. Please put your weight and height.
Thanks
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Maybe I missed something here but how has Boludo come "full circle" when his new board is pretty much the same as his old board?
Awesome Boludo! 25 pages later you've come full circle. This shape is so hot it is evolving within its own thread! I may get a chance to get a taste of the simmons style in early April, I will be in Irvine for a weekend.
I hope the new board is great! It looks great.
I don't know...I'm overly enthusiastic and not particular with semantics. I was simply saying he started this thread with a board and has now moved on to the next version, if only slightly different.
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For those looking to get in on the "simsup" thing for small cash (under 1k new), take a look at the Boardworks Minimod. The 8'5" is 28.5" wide, and 3.5" think (!!!), very thinned out rails, wide and flat tail, quad cluster very similar to what a lot of these boards are using. Low rocker. There's a 7'10" x 28.5" x 3.3" model for you masochists.
Here's a pic of the shop demo model, still wet from a session this morning. Was a little too much offshore breeze today, but yesterday in chest to head light onshores it was the ticket.
crap pic, but whatever
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raf, There was a video on that board. It caught my eye more for the paddle work.. but shows the board.
Mini Mod 8'5" with Anthony Vela on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/43697512)
Jim
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I've seen that vid before. Anthony V. is one of my favorite SUP surfers. Great style...very natural movement and control, getting that board moving all over the place without looking like he's trying too hard. I would have loved to see how he has his fins set up. I've actually had a great session with this board set up as a 2 plus 1 with a skinny flex longboard fin as well. Thanks for posting that.
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What I really like best about this video is that Anthony drives a spike right through the heart of the naysayers who say the SIMSUP doesn't turn...it's just a straight line, down the line ride. Wrong! The board turns great and Anthony is riding a long SIMSUP at 8'5". The secret is out. SIMSUPs rock. Nothing proves this like the fact that a lot of really good shapers are taking Kirks Original SIMSUP design (he was the first to build one that really worked) and putting their touches on the basic Simmons/mini-Simmons/SIMSUP plan shape.
It would be so cool if one of these days we could get the various shapers to bring their boards to a head-to-head demo day so we could see how the different twists on the Original SIMSUP plan shape differentiate the boards one from another. I know Kirks's board the best having been involved from the beginning. But I don't know how the other SIMSUPs surf and I'd love to try them all.
Kirk's first SIMSUP, the S1 is a lot like the board Anthony's riding only shorter, wider and thicker. But I am amazed at how similarly the two boards surf. With the S1 the length does not adversely affect the speed or maneuverability of the board from what I can see. I would guess that the S1 is more stable than the Mini Mod due to an extra 1.75" in width (30 1/4") and an extra inch in thickness, 4.5". It's impossible to see the bottom contours on the Mini, but the S1 has a combo displacement hull in (roughly) the front half, and a double barrel planing hull with vee in the back. Not all wide tail boards are equal and it take the design expertise of a knowledgeable shaper (or the trail and error repetition of a hobbyist) to get it right and make it work.
Again, one of these days (maybe this Summer) it would be so cool to put together a SIMSUPs demo day and actually get the feel of how these different designs all built around the same basic plan shape actually differ. I would love to talk to the various shapers and get their take on what they did and why they did it.
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Who else is shaping simmons inspred SUP's (available, retail) aside from L41, Infinity, Kings and the BW MiniMod?
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L41 Original SIMSUP S3 Model - Fast, maneuverable, high performance, stable, FUN!
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Who else is shaping simmons inspred SUP's (available, retail) aside from L41, Infinity, Kings and the BW MiniMod?
Here's another Simmons influenced iteration that we have been working on...it's also Jammer influenced...;-)
We have a couple of new 7'11" models also coming along...as well as an 8'11"...
http://blog.surfingsports.com/2013/02/da-hammer-sup.html (http://blog.surfingsports.com/2013/02/da-hammer-sup.html)
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I'm doing an online board review of the 7'10" Mini-Mod next week. I've ridden it before, and feel its different than the Simsups being discussed here.
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Simsup 3 ordered today. 8'4"x31. Long time windsurfer and surfer but fairly new to SUS this is my first sub 10 ft SUP. Kirk has been great to deal with so far. Really looking forward to getting my board.
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I finally pulled the trigger today. Just came back from talking to Vec. Looking for a cross between the L41 S1 and the Infinity Phoenix. Shawn's a very talented shaper, can't wait to see his take on this.
Specs:
between 8-6 and 8-10 x 33" x 4.75, convex entry, flat middle, into the double concave. The nose will be pinched in a little and the tail a little wider. He's going to give Larry a call to talk fins. Going to push a little more of the volume to the rails to help my crappy balance but most of the float will be in the front half of the board with the tail thinned out.
Could not think off who has the handles with the gortex vent....I want to get one of those in there as well.
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That's FCS; sounds like a great build, can't wait to see how it turns out.
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Bob,
The Controller fins or similar models by Rainbow and others, mounted tight and near the rail like Kirk does it are THE answer. I wouldn't bother with anything else. My first surf on a SIMSUP was with GLs and didn't like the board that much, rode it again with Controllers and it blew my mind.
For stability, keep the tail wide like the S1/S2, and don't go crazy on the V. Your dimensions will be stable and floaty, you will love it.
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You guys up in Santa Cruz should go by Stretch's shop and pick up his version of controllers and his new template for his Super Buzz Boards. Or better yet, have Kirk be the crash test dummy for these. They look money.
(http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws.com/f916f0c2813111e282b422000a1f9ab7_7.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/rowjimmytour/Board%20Quiver/DSCN1867.jpg)
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z386/tommy_831/41A5E9D8-314E-4D71-840B-38213FC72F05-4550-000002D1450F70D9_zpscf5d9ce4.jpg)
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I finally pulled the trigger today. Just came back from talking to Vec. Looking for a cross between the L41 S1 and the Infinity Phoenix. Shawn's a very talented shaper, can't wait to see his take on this.
Specs:
between 8-6 and 8-10 x 33" x 4.75, convex entry, flat middle, into the double concave. The nose will be pinched in a little and the tail a little wider.
those are the approx dims i was looking for, maybe thinner at 4.25. please keep us posted after you try it out. seems to be some talk that these shapes don't work as well on the east coast, so am very curious as to your impressions. as i don't know the people you mention, is this board being made locally for you (i.e. Cape Cod area)?
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Stony, please let me know when you get that Vec.... I would love to go out some day and play swaps with my Allwave. Super psyched there will be one in the neighborhood! Be good on a southside day ;)
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Absolutely...figured that was a given... ;D
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Kojak,
You're gonna love it!!
Stonie, stoked to here that you're gonna have one made. Keep us posted on the updates.
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Kojak,
You're gonna love it!!
Stonie, stoked to here that you're gonna have one made. Keep us posted on the updates.
All your fault, Boludo ;D. If only you hadn't started this thread! Seriously though it seems like the best board available to maximize your time and fun on the water. I also really appreciate you sharing so much info for all of us here.
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Wow 26 pages already--- resistance is futile--- just e-mailed Kirk, turn around time 4-6 weeks, be back in Calif.in about six weeks-- good timing. Thinking about a 7-6 / 7-10 for the central Cal. beach breaks. :D
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But the one in the video doesn't look like a sim sup at all.
What I really like best about this video is that Anthony drives a spike right through the heart of the naysayers who say the SIMSUP doesn't turn...it's just a straight line, down the line ride. Wrong! The board turns great and Anthony is riding a long SIMSUP at 8'5".
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I picked up my 8' L41 Simsup from Leon the delivery guy last Monday night. My board is what Kirk called an "S2/3/4 mashup." I've been busy this week but have ridden it three times so far.
First time out on Tuesday in chest to shoulder high conditions I only had about 90 minutes to surf but the board felt good in spite of that being my first time in the water in over a month (I was boardless!) and dropping from a 9'-6" to this 8'er. I was feeling kinda rusty but was impressed on a shoulder to maybe head high right how smoothly I could do a clean rollercoaster off the soup with the board feeling super stable as I dropped back down through the white water.
Second day out the waves were junk. The surface was really bumpy not because of wind but due to this weird swell refraction thing off the reefs at this spot. I felt off myself that day so not much to report except that I walked away thinking it probably paddled as well as my 9-6 McTavish would have in similar conditions.
My third time out was yesterday, Friday, and had a three hour sesh with super clean fun waist to chest high surf to myself for the first 2.5 hours. Little to no wind and no weird swell refraction deal yesterday so the surface was nice and flat. I got tons of clean long rights in spite of the long lulls between sets. I'm still adjusting to the radically wide tail trying to find the right place/stance for my feet for whatever kind of turn I want to do. I feel there is a lot to unlock from the potential of this board. Sometimes I nail it and sometimes I don't. This board is fast - VERY FAST! I love how forgiving the soft Simmons rails are up forward with the rounded Simmons belly. I'm sure the bevel on the bottom helps contribute to being forgiving too. I get a nice pop out of my turns that was hard to do with my past three wave sups (9-10 Stu Kenson quad, 9-4 Walden Magic, 9-6 McTavish) but I guess part of that is just being on a much shorter board. Put your back foot way back and crank and you can pull off a square turn as if you were on a short surfboard which is great for kicking out of close outs.
As far as paddling... I figure my fat ass must weigh about 200 with wet rubber on and I'm surprised how stable it is. It just might paddle as well as my 9-6 that I think had a lot more volume (149 liters vs. 129 liters). Due to the short length you have a narrow sweet spot for paddling. Step just a little aft and the nose will tip up and off you go, but this is a good thing because I don't want tons of volume back there for surfing and it sure makes it easy to bring the board around to catch a wave. Many times when I start paddling out I'll start on my knees and its amazing how this board goes through the soup...even three feet of just broken whitewater. Lean a little back when you hit the white water and it just shoots over the whitewater without dumping me. I really like that cuz I would usually get brutalized doing the same thing on my previous boards. Sometimes when trying to catch a wave I'll be angled to the wave face and on previous boards the hard rails forward would catch on some chop and I'd fall off. That is not the case at all with this board due to the soft rails forward and the bevel.
Anyway, thats the deal for now. I really like this board a lot so far and will probably have more to say after todays sesh.
Here are a few more photos. Some might be repeats of what you've already seen.
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Steve,
Don't be reluctant to turn off the square corners. The board will cut back sharply with your foot as close to the corner as you can get. Coming back around is smooth and stable, the rail shape (especially your k-rails) won't bog and your turn recovery will be flawless if you (not the board) don't bleed off too much speed.
Anyway, sounds like you're getting the hang of it, I thought I'd just throw this in because it works so well for me.
I don't have a lot of pics but this one will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. I'm on an Original SIMSUP S3.
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For some reason this forums system duplicated my previous post so I deleted what was in it. Sorry about that!
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Thanks for the tip! Yeah, I didn't mention it before, but those 'K' rails are totally happening! Heading out now...
Steve,
Don't be reluctant to turn off the square corners. The board will cut back sharply with your foot as close to the corner as you can get. Coming back around is smooth and stable, the rail shape (especially your k-rails) won't bog and your turn recovery will be flawless if you (not the board) don't bleed off too much speed.
Anyway, sounds like you're getting the hang of it, I thought I'd just throw this in because it works so well for me.
I don't have a lot of pics but this one will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. I'm on an Original SIMSUP S3.
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For me, the big difference in going from my 25-26 ish wide boards to this wide board is that in order to really lay a turn, you need to be on your inside rail. I know it is pretty obvious.. And I am probably not telling anyone anything they didn't already know. But just in case... For me that is the key.
SL
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Diggin' the neon paint job!!
Hmmmm....Magenta wave, Neon board. Pretty good acid, eh?
Seriously, very cool board, and cool sessions. Wish my fat 200# could surf something like that:(
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Due to my recent surfers ear surgery which has dry docked me for a few weeks, I finally committed some time to videoing Kirk on his S4 at his home break. Board works good!
https://vimeo.com/60919786
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Megentawave -
Thanks for the Simsup report. I'll give a detailed report when I get my new 8"10" by 33" across S4 for heavyweights Simsup. The only problem I see is Kirk is out surfing (srfnff video) while I thought he was shaping my board :)
Great thread!!!
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Works Well
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Great vid srfnff!!
Here are a few shots of my 7'7"x 283/4" Simmons Inspired sup.
I went with the traditional fin setup,having so much fun on this board i can't tell you!
Stable :o going 7'3",my wife is going 6'10"...I hope Bob isn't rolling over with us using a paddle and all but.....these boards rock as sup's.
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Nice video. those were some glassy waves.
PilonSUP, Nice board! That left break looks like fun. I look forward to hitting it up with you in the summer.
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Great vid srfnff!!
Here are a few shots of my 7'7"x 283/4" Simmons Inspired sup.
I went with the traditional fin setup,having so much fun on this board i can't tell you!
Stable :o going 7'3",my wife is going 6'10"...I hope Bob isn't rolling over with us using a paddle and all but.....these boards rock as sup's.
Nice Pilon! What's the volume on that 7'7? How thick?
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wow Sean that board looks amazing!
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There is some great board-porn in this thread. How long do you think you would have to wait for a print magazine to show you these same boards?
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wow Sean that board looks amazing!
Hey FILO, did you notice the massive lineup of surfers on that left?
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wow Sean that board looks amazing!
Hey FILO, did you notice the massive lineup of surfers on that left?
Way too packed for my taste.
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And none of the surfers (longboarders?) could catch the waves he was on...
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Due to my recent surfers ear surgery which has dry docked me for a few weeks, I finally committed some time to videoing Kirk on his S4 at his home break. Board works good!
https://vimeo.com/60919786
How big is Kirks' board? Great video. Board looks like it can accelerate.
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But you can surf a board like mine cuz I weigh the same as you.
Diggin' the neon paint job!!
Hmmmm....Magenta wave, Neon board. Pretty good acid, eh?
Seriously, very cool board, and cool sessions. Wish my fat 200# could surf something like that:(
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IMPORTANT QUESTION PLEASE: And is moving your feet to the inside rail to lay into a turn what ALL OF YOU with sims do?
For me, the big difference in going from my 25-26 ish wide boards to this wide board is that in order to really lay a turn, you need to be on your inside rail. I know it is pretty obvious.. And I am probably not telling anyone anything they didn't already know. But just in case... For me that is the key.
SL
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Nice board! Hey please tell my ol buddy Brent Bourdeaux "Hi" for me, okay?
Great vid srfnff!!
Here are a few shots of my 7'7"x 283/4" Simmons Inspired sup.
I went with the traditional fin setup,having so much fun on this board i can't tell you!
Stable :o going 7'3",my wife is going 6'10"...I hope Bob isn't rolling over with us using a paddle and all but.....these boards rock as sup's.
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Thanks for posting the video of Kirk. Its nice to know the shaper gets out and surfs too. On one wave I see Kirk surfing without his paddle which makes me wonder how easy is it to retrieve a paddle that got away from you? Is it easy to see it? Does a loose paddle travel far in breaking waves?
Due to my recent surfers ear surgery which has dry docked me for a few weeks, I finally committed some time to videoing Kirk on his S4 at his home break. Board works good!
https://vimeo.com/60919786
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Yes, extreme inside rail to bottom turn.
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I think one of the reasons that Kirk's boards work so well is that he surfs them (and surfs them well) and integrates his own feedback into the designs. He's a really stylish surfer, and navigates in and out of a crowded line up as well as anyone I've seen on a SUP. As a result, he makes a lot of waves, taking advantages of misses, wipeouts, etc. Nothing goes to waste...
Thanks for posting the video of Kirk. Its nice to know the shaper gets out and surfs too. On one wave I see Kirk surfing without his paddle which makes me wonder how easy is it to retrieve a paddle that got away from you? Is it easy to see it? Does a loose paddle travel far in breaking waves?
Due to my recent surfers ear surgery which has dry docked me for a few weeks, I finally committed some time to videoing Kirk on his S4 at his home break. Board works good!
https://vimeo.com/60919786
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I'm pretty sure Kirk's riding a stock custom S4, dims: 8' x 30" x 4 5/8" at 123L. Or pretty damn close to that. He's about 6'2" and around 190-200 #'s. His website has some good pics of the board. http://www.original-simsup.com/p/l41-s4.html (http://www.original-simsup.com/p/l41-s4.html) Yeah all the SIMSUPs accelerate nicely due to the Simmons hydrodynamic principles built into the planing hull and no center fin to slow it down.
On that lost paddle wave, he was prone paddling back out to the lineup when this little insider came in which he grabbed. He tried to hang on to his paddle but no deal. I thought, "well he'll be looking for that for a while," but amazingly he came up with it pretty fast. But it was in between sets and there weren't many waves so he got to it in short order. I pretty much always have a death grip on my paddle...don't want to lose it.
Re turning the S4 transitions rail to rail very smoothly. My opinion is that this is due in large part to Kirk's skill in shaping the rail on that board. Check out his website and look closely at the rail shape top and bottom. Whatever insights you get let me know cuz I don't know how he makes them work, they just do.
The S3 rails use the k-rail or s-rail which thins out the rail at the waterline so the board surfs more like a conventional surfboard. With less volume at the edge of the rail it's easier to push it down into the water to turn. The S3 sticks high and tight in the wave face like a miracle and I find myself making lots of really steep takeoffs that I wouldn't be making on another SUP. And yeah, in those situations I'm on the inside rail. But for turning I find myself utilizing the corners of the square tail, bringing the nose up and pivoting it around. So in that instance too your foot is on the inside corner (rail). But if you're running hot down the line you can easily maintain your stance in the center of the board and control the rail to rail movements with little effort, especially with lots of speed which is what you'll have with all the S model Original SIMSUPs. (You can see this in the video of Kirk I posted. Keep your eyes on his feet.)
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Megentawave -
Thanks for the Simsup report. I'll give a detailed report when I get my new 8"10" by 33" across S4 for heavyweights Simsup. The only problem I see is Kirk is out surfing (srfnff video) while I thought he was shaping my board :)
Great thread!!!
Want to read that report as soon as you get your (as I call it) SimSup Royal.
Or just a SimSup with extra cheese.
Any idea on the volume on your 8'10" x 32"?
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Ok
Tested these in 2011
To confirm
The Boardworks Mini Mod is a Sim-similar Board.
Really like the way it Lay Back Turns..
Nice Thin rails..
Rockets and Climbs pretty good!
Construction Above Average
Price around $1000
Ralph
Sup-position
Huntington Beach, California, USA
(714) 899-3020
www.Sup-position.com (http://www.Sup-position.com)
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I see having time to move your feet as you approach the shoulder to carve a roundhouse cutback, but how are you dealing with instantaneous maneuvers like slamming off the lip after your bottom turn when your feet are on the inside rail?
Yes, extreme inside rail to bottom turn.
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Continue into the lip on your inside rail, after you land, you will still be on your inside rail...if u want to do another, you are set... If you wanna go out on the shoulder and do a roundhouse, as you are racing to the point to initiate the turn, just scoot your foot towards the center if you wan to do one of the turns where you are pivoting off your fins and the rear corner of your board... OR if you want to bury the rail on the roundhouse, move your foot to the other rail side as you approach the point of initiation... Then have at it!
Hope that helps.. Clear as mud, right?
SL
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Southwesterly - I check in at around 225 lb. and Kirk made me a S3 that is 8'10" x 32" at 148 liters. Love the board and can't believe how well it surfs. Very stable and paddles great
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Continue into the lip on your inside rail, after you land, you will still be on your inside rail...if u want to do another, you are set... If you wanna go out on the shoulder and do a roundhouse, as you are racing to the point to initiate the turn, just scoot your foot towards the center if you wan to do one of the turns where you are pivoting off your fins and the rear corner of your board... OR if you want to bury the rail on the roundhouse, move your foot to the other rail side as you approach the point of initiation... Then have at it!
Hope that helps.. Clear as mud, right?
SL
What he said!
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Continue into the lip on your inside rail, after you land, you will still be on your inside rail...if u want to do another, you are set... If you wanna go out on the shoulder and do a roundhouse, as you are racing to the point to initiate the turn, just scoot your foot towards the center if you wan to do one of the turns where you are pivoting off your fins and the rear corner of your board... OR if you want to bury the rail on the roundhouse, move your foot to the other rail side as you approach the point of initiation... Then have at it!
Hope that helps.. Clear as mud, right?
SL
I should have clarified that I was talking about scooting the rear foot around. The front foot is less critical but scoots a smidge as well.
Srfnff, thanks for posting that vid.
SL.
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I'm still adjusting to the wide tail but when I was out there on Saturday I was wondering how a board just like mine would surf but with a Takayama Scorpion like tail instead of the current wide squaretail? Pintails are tight off the bottom and loose off the top, but how much stability would I lose when paddling? I swear, if I had the dough to burn right now I would order another board from Kirk with a tail like this one unless he talked me out of it...
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I think we're comparing apples and oranges here, or more specifically, shortboard surfboards and SUPs. Just "blowing up" a shortboard design and expecting it to work as a SUP usually doesn't happen. That said, maintaining width throughout the board's length from nose to tail allows for the Original SIMSUP to be 1) short 2) stable. But that's far from the end of the story and very simplistic. It's all of the intelligently designed elements blended together that make a short, wide board like the OS a fast, stable and maneuverable high performance SUP. Putting a pintail on a SIMSUP or a mini Mod or any of the other Simmons inspired boards on this thread would do nothing to make them better imho. (They would also no longer be Simmons inspired hulls.) But as always, that's just my opinion. I'm not a shaper and would consult with a real shaper on any ideas I might have.
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magenta....for me having almost no board behind my rear foot is what makes this board ride the way it does.
If it works on overhead,I"ll be thining the heard.
I"ll pass it on to BB also :)
On the volume of my board..no idea :-[...just going to keep going smaller & stop when i cant stand on it any more. Probably around 7'x28 1/2x3 5/8"
The shorties are definitly taking notice!
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Its way too early to give a full assessment of my new board. I already know there is a lot I reeeeeally like about it, but pintails have always worked well for me so I'm just cooking up some ideas here (which is exactly why my current board started as an S2 but sprouted S3 wings and a bevel sort of like the S4). ;) Besides, IF I have Kirk do a pintail, it would be very simmonish except for the pintail.
I think we're comparing apples and oranges here, or more specifically, shortboard surfboards and SUPs. Just "blowing up" a shortboard design and expecting it to work as a SUP usually doesn't happen. That said, maintaining width throughout the board's length from nose to tail allows for the Original SIMSUP to be 1) short 2) stable. But that's far from the end of the story and very simplistic. It's all of the intelligently designed elements blended together that make a short, wide board like the OS a fast, stable and maneuverable high performance SUP. Putting a pintail on a SIMSUP or a mini Mod or any of the other Simmons inspired boards on this thread would do nothing to make them better imho. (They would also no longer be Simmons inspired hulls.) But as always, that's just my opinion. I'm not a shaper and would consult with a real shaper on any ideas I might have.
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few sneak pics from the Skunkworks bunker below the Boehne shaping bay.
Again i gave DB Carte Blanche with shaping-pretty wild rail :o
Surfing with him and the crew yesterday i went right like 3 waves in a row to hurry up and get my quota for the month out of the way-he yelled out he wants to make me an Asym Sup for my left fetish, sheesh, this is gonna be an expensive summer.
Think i saw an L41 Asym sup pic on Instagram earlier?
Wow-thats a whole nother thread!
More pics coming soon...
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Holy Ben Aipa Batman! Love those Stinger rails! That's gonna be a fun toy. And yes I swear you'd go left at Rincon.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
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Perfect for D-patch...slow and mushy, but go fast on that puppy!
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That board looks rad. I wonder if the glasser and sander will charge more? :P
Its interesting that you mention asymmetrics... I've had a couple asymmetric tail boards in the past that worked great and I was thinking after my last post with the Takayama Scorpion that an asymmetric tail on a wave sup would be totally functional. In fact, way more appropriate than they are on much narrower boards like surfboards and sailboards. Put the wide tail on the forehand turning side and the shorter tail on the backhand side for quick stuff like off the lips and cutbacks. Combine that with the "K" rail and bevels on the bottom and I think you'd have a wave sup that wouldn't require nearly as much moving around of the feet to do certain maneuvers. The only reason asymmetric boards haven't caught on is because its too freaky of a concept for most unless they actually take the time to think about it.
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Similar winger rails as one of my boards from a couple years ago. It was a fun board, but too many other newer toys to play with.
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Here's another one with a wide tail. I took this one to Brazil. It's better in the slower/musher stuff.
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From the keyboard of Dave:
The V3 (version3) is a progression of the demand of a more performance oriented Phoenix. The original is a higher volume, extremely stable, and a wave catching machine. The perfect place to start in a surfers journey into very short SUP surfboards! Now guys are progressing to their 2nd or 3rd Phoenix and the skills are getting better so we are matching skills with some updated design. V2 (version 2) is a thinner version of the original Phoenix keeping the parallel outline w/ nice wide tail... We now have 4 models in the Phoenix line that I will be adding to our website in about 3 weeks.
V3 keeps true to the simmons philosphy and theory in bottom contours and parallel outline etc that truly unlock the magic in these little boards... We’ve pulled in the nose and tail creating curve with a single wing directly behind the front quad fin. I added this “elevated wing” to increase the performance as well. These are cool as they trick the water into thinking the board is 2” narrower in the tail making the board even more maneuverable while maintaining the stability. The Wing adds some bite while in a hallow face... We match it up with the probox fins w/ all the cant options for incredible ride customizing. Twin fin is the set up of choice personally. It’s the fastest and most free. The way we position them they do not slide out like many wide tail desiged quad boards... Quad is fun too. NEVER a center fin. Center fin is a big no no... We’ve been throwing all sorts of tails on these things too depending on what the rider wants the board to do. Square, Diamond, Arc, Jet, etc....
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Board has an elevated wing like Malcolm Campbell uses on some of his bonzer shapes. Not a wing like shown above. It's on the underside of the board rather than the deck and not a Aipa Sting.
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Nice SoCal. Thanks for the updates. It's good to see shape come to life. It has a nice wild side to it.
Get that baby glassed and in the water...unless your paint job will take 2 months.
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Here's another one with a wide tail. I took this one to Brazil. It's better in the slower/musher stuff.
VonR, Like your taste in boards my friend. Mahalo,Larry
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Hey Larry let me know how those Chex fins are coming when you get a moment-no big rush.
Those are some crazy fin combos Von!
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Hey Larry let me know how those Chex fins are coming when you get a moment-no big rush.
Those are some crazy fin combos Von!
SoCal, Those are not Vons fin set-up they are Etech with ProBox Finsystems. Thought I would share the similar tail designs that Von has and likes my friend. Mahalo, Larry
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Plus the wing on Aipa's Stinger was way forward than that one.
Board has an elevated wing like Malcolm Campbell uses on some of his bonzer shapes. Not a wing like shown above. It's on the underside of the board rather than the deck and not a Aipa Sting.
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Plus the wing on Aipa's Stinger was way forward than that one.
Board has an elevated wing like Malcolm Campbell uses on some of his bonzer shapes. Not a wing like shown above. It's on the underside of the board rather than the deck and not a Aipa Sting.
So happens I have one of those from Ben that I got in 1975 magentawave.
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Love this V4 by Dave at Infiniy :o :o
http://infinitysup.blogspot.com/2013/03/chris-chill-hill-and-phoenix-evolution.html (http://infinitysup.blogspot.com/2013/03/chris-chill-hill-and-phoenix-evolution.html)
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I love the chopped nose. I'd say do the chopped nose and chop the tail similar for a clean look. 2 thumbs up for the nose.
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I wanted to add something different to this thread that I was just informed about. The new Fusion from FCS looks very similar to ProBox after install. Talking about believe the "HYPE" Thought I like to hear some feed back from my Zone Buddies on this. What a JOKE!!!!
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i wouldnt worry about it much since it still not adjustable like the probox.
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Now I am just starting to get angry at this thread... that assym V4 is calling me... in about 96 liters... But my board budget is SERIOUSLY blown for this quarter...
My wife cruises from her office into my office this morning (our companies share space) with yet another invoice for a board... from Corran... she just holds up the bill and says: SEQUESTRATION.
Classic.
Please update us on where the assym ends up. I have a 6'0" assym quad that goes insane... just couldn't get people to shape them.
SL
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I love the chopped nose. I'd say do the chopped nose and chop the tail similar for a clean look. 2 thumbs up for the nose.
I think i see a TomoSup coming soon-CD got a sweet little Tomo from dave a while back-crazy looking and crazy narrow like a true Tomo-i dont see a lot of Tomo sups coming soon though mostly due to them being very narrow. But the idea of chopping a big section of the nose purely for handling characteristics and reducing the amount of nose to swing around on a wave is intriguing-definitely for a very serious sup surfing individual -prob not tons of fun to paddle through whitewater.
Crazy times in the sup world and im lovin it!
Larry-my mistake-that is a crazy set-up. Dave is chargin ahead with my V3 and im frothing to see those fins too.
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Strand, is the board a prone or sup? Pics please!!!!!!!!
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I was in love with those Tomo boards when I saw them. So when I saw the chopped nose, I got a little excited.
Cool stuff guys!
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I was in love with those Tomo boards when I saw them. So when I saw the chopped nose, I got a little excited.
Cool stuff guys!
http://www.tomosurfboards.com/mph.html (http://www.tomosurfboards.com/mph.html)
lots of Tomo board porn on this site-there are other sites too that explain the basics of the Tomo-interesting-to me the crazy foils-bottom countours-channels-tails etc..will find their way into sup but to be a true Tomo its usually pretty narrow. Dont think the really narrow part would work except for very few individuals. I love all the interesting tails-channels though.
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My wife cruises from her office into my office this morning (our companies share space) with yet another invoice for a board... from Corran... she just holds up the bill and says: SEQUESTRATION.
SL--you probably thought she meant that she wants to see some budget cutting after seeing that last invoice. But maybe she was referring to sequestration's plder, scientific meaning, in which an organism accumulates a compound or tissue, with you being the organism and your boards being what you accumulate. And if fact, since your boards include carbon, she was likely making a humorous play on words, as "sequestration" can also refer to the scientific process of "carbon sequestration".
I'd go with that, and explain to her that you saw what she did there, and that you appreciate her humor. In any event, don't get a sequestration complex.
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Sweet, and didn't some of Larry Bertlemanns boards put the wing even farther forward than that? I still think Bertlemanns layback cutbacks were the coolest! Don't you guys think a Bertlemann style stinger wing set way forward with a couple more wings aft could work awesome on these super wide simsups? I wonder how much volume you would lose for paddling? I'll have to ask Kirk about that.
So happens I have one of those from Ben that I got in 1975 magentawave.
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And Dave at Infinity said about his V4 assy... "Feel the heelside advantage with an Asym." See, this is exactly what I was talking about yesterday. Is this V4 done yet? Any feedback?
Love this V4 by Dave at Infiniy :o :o
http://infinitysup.blogspot.com/2013/03/chris-chill-hill-and-phoenix-evolution.html (http://infinitysup.blogspot.com/2013/03/chris-chill-hill-and-phoenix-evolution.html)
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No kidding Tomo's boards are narrow. Its been a while but last time I checked he was riding a sub 6' board that was only 16" wide!
I was in love with those Tomo boards when I saw them. So when I saw the chopped nose, I got a little excited.
Cool stuff guys!
http://www.tomosurfboards.com/mph.html (http://www.tomosurfboards.com/mph.html)
lots of Tomo board porn on this site-there are other sites too that explain the basics of the Tomo-interesting-to me the crazy foils-bottom countours-channels-tails etc..will find their way into sup but to be a true Tomo its usually pretty narrow. Dont think the really narrow part would work except for very few individuals. I love all the interesting tails-channels though.
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The NextGen's are narrower but the MPH's are ridden the same width as a regular shortboard.
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PDX,
She didn't buy it. Thanks though.
Fark, prone with balsa center inlay and extra glass for strength. Bought it for a very quick, very heavy (relatively for So Cal) backhand reefbreak in front of the house that goes off on a w / nw ... before I got good enough to ride it standup.
TimSUP:
I haven't written any more about TimSUP. Cuz if I did, people would think that I was bragging... or talking trash and I don't want to get that rep... or reinforce it if I already have it.
Plus I don't want admin to think that I am shilling for Corran... I think that Corran should definitely name the production model the TimSUP... but I think it would defy his "edgy, progressive" naming conventions. :)
I am stunned. I am blown away. I had it out at 1-4 foot Trail 1 on Saturday morning...
I will try and get more pics to add to the TimSUP in action thread... this board needs to be seen (ridden) on a chest high to overhead wave... the precision is nowhere near a Mach 1 or a Mach Bobby Roger, but the fun factor is off the freaking charts.
I will just list a few reasons why I like the board.
I can nose ride through entire sections... sometimes, rather than slashing back into the pocket, I just sit on the nose... and check out chicks... and go over "to do" lists in my head... and try not to fall off.
If you stay on the inside rail in the pocket and scrub your speed, you can murder the lip... as many times as you want.
If you are nose riding through a section and see a closeout coming up, in one swift shift, you are back on the tail floating, blasting, carving, or doing whatever turns you on.
It feels like it would be a 360 machine, but I haven't gone there yet... having too much fun doing the other stuff.
It fits in my wife's tiny benz convertible (well, almost). Don't let her know that... she doesn't know... "What, sand in your car? That is wierd!"
This board, plus a Mach 1 or a Mach Bobby Rogerish type board could truly be a complete quiver.
Out,
SL
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If you stay on the inside rail in the pocket and scrub your speed, you can murder the lip... as many times as you want.
Out,
SL
Really? More than your Mach 1?
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few more pics from DB
Froth level pegged at 10 about now...
last pic is the Asym.
at this point i dont really care about the how and why for the Asyms, i just want one...
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I have a lot more to learn about my simsup because I've only ridden it 3 or 4 times in the last week so maybe my perspective will change a week from now, but I'm still trying to figure out how its possible to "murder the lip" when your feet are way over on the inside rail? I know I'm not the only one thinking this because this very issue is the whole reason why Dave is doing the V4 assy model.
If you stay on the inside rail in the pocket and scrub your speed, you can murder the lip... as many times as you want.
Out,
SL
Really? More than your Mach 1?
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SoCal, your board looks siiick!
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few more pics from DB
Froth level pegged at 10 about now...
last pic is the Asym.
at this point i dont really care about the how and why for the Asyms, i just want one...
I like the bat wings.
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If you stay on the inside rail in the pocket and scrub your speed, you can murder the lip... as many times as you want.
Out,
SL
Really? More than your Mach 1?
No, not more than my Mach 1... but it is pretty impressive.
SL
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Magenta,
Pretty amazing how you can throw this thing around... but it took me about four surfs to get comfortable throwing it up at the lip.
SL
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so cal. board looks mental...
Shots from today from my 10yo,thx baby!
Twin fin simsup,also rode this board as a single fin....very nice ;D.
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Yah PilonSUP! Awesome pix. Looks like you are lovin the board. Thanks for posting.
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Pure porn!
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Aaaaw, I sure miss the tropics. Thanks for photos Pilon!
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Trying to dial in dims for an L41. I'm 51, 6'2" and will be surfing around 210 lbs. I surfed a lot in college and been SUP surfing for 2 years. I rode an 8'11"x32x4.75 South County last year at 235-240 lbs (Not there anymore thanks to the Primal thread here).
I surf in Florida where it gets a little bumpy at times.
I'm thinking S3 or S4. 8'4"x31x4.75.
What's the stability difference between the 2 models? Would a 31" S3 be like a 32" S4?
Would an S3 be similar to my South County in stability at the same length?
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From what I can gather, the S4 is a performance Simmons. If you are questioning anything, maybe go with an S3. Of course, a call to Kirk may set things straight.
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Trying to dial in dims for an L41. I'm 51, 6'2" and will be surfing around 210 lbs. I surfed a lot in college and been SUP surfing for 2 years. I rode an 8'11"x32x4.75 South County last year at 235-240 lbs (Not there anymore thanks to the Primal thread here).
I surf in Florida where it gets a little bumpy at times.
I'm thinking S3 or S4. 8'4"x31x4.75.
What's the stability difference between the 2 models? Would a 31" S3 be like a 32" S4?
Would an S3 be similar to my South County in stability at the same length?
I am about 10 years younger and about 20 lbs less than you but am on the East Coast and share a very similar profile otherwise. 1 year of SUP, lots of past surfing experience. I talked to Kirk and sent him a pretty lengthy email with what I was looking for...Left it to him on a few choices including SimSup 3 or 4 etc. He is going to be making me a SimSup 3 at similar dims but a bit thinner than what you referenced.
Give him a call or shoot him a note, very responsive and genuinely interested in making you the best board for your conditions.
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Yeah, call Kirk. He's a good guy and will get you what you need.
Trying to dial in dims for an L41. I'm 51, 6'2" and will be surfing around 210 lbs. I surfed a lot in college and been SUP surfing for 2 years. I rode an 8'11"x32x4.75 South County last year at 235-240 lbs (Not there anymore thanks to the Primal thread here).
I surf in Florida where it gets a little bumpy at times.
I'm thinking S3 or S4. 8'4"x31x4.75.
What's the stability difference between the 2 models? Would a 31" S3 be like a 32" S4?
Would an S3 be similar to my South County in stability at the same length?
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Trying to dial in dims for an L41. I'm 51, 6'2" and will be surfing around 210 lbs. I surfed a lot in college and been SUP surfing for 2 years. I rode an 8'11"x32x4.75 South County last year at 235-240 lbs (Not there anymore thanks to the Primal thread here).
I surf in Florida where it gets a little bumpy at times.
I'm thinking S3 or S4. 8'4"x31x4.75.
What's the stability difference between the 2 models? Would a 31" S3 be like a 32" S4?
Would an S3 be similar to my South County in stability at the same length?
sounds like an S3 would work well for you. 8'4" x 31 x 4.5 - 4 5/8.
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Strand Leper, have you figured out the optimum fin combo yet? My TimSup will be ready around the end of the month.
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Supstoked,
I really like the futures K1 front, with a larger than usual rear in chest to head high (375-400... like a Jaimie Mitchell quad rear type size, but single foil) ... when it is smaller, I play around with 300-350' rears (the Scimitar rear for example). I will try to get some example pics this weekend.
FCS makes a similar slightly smaller keel fin too.
I can't say that I have it dialed... but at least I know what doesn't work. :)
SL
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This works great for me in chest to head high. I use the Scimitar trailers when it's small.
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This works great for me in chest to head high. I use the Scimitar trailers when it's small.
Wow! I have the Scimitar set on my shortboard and I was thinking just yesterday of trying it out on my SUP. Nice!
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This works great for me in chest to head high. I use the Scimitar trailers when it's small.
Wow! I have the Scimitar set on my shortboard and I was thinking just yesterday of trying it out on my SUP. Nice!
:o :o :o :o
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:o :o :o :o
Mine came with a 5th fin kinda like the nubster.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8176/8000861926_711bfb125b_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/8000861926/)
S-Winger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/8000861926/#) by ewxlt (http://www.flickr.com/people/30741622@N07/), on Flickr
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If I lived in California I'd be on the phone to L41 or Kings or Corran etc.
Actually I live in Scotland and I'm sure one of these would be great here. I'm 155lb and currently riding a Starboard POD - similar length and width but quite a different plan shape with a broader nose, narrower tail and thicker rails
At the risk of appearing to steal intellectual property, what sort of nose and tail rockers have you guys got? I'm keen to get a local shaper to make me one of these
Andy
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Andy,
Mine has about a 1' kick in the tail that begins at a point approx 8'' from the end. As for nose rocker the measurement is "almost nuthin' ". That Pod looks like a lot of fun and was set to be my next purchase until this whole Sim/Tim explosion.
For some reason Future stopped making the Scimitar but for those Zoners in So. Cal. Stewart's still has a ton of the 5 fin set ups like Giant's for an unbelievable 45$. I have that same 5 Fin S-Winger by the way, great board. Secret Spot: Stewarts also has a box of random fins for 5$ each. I've come across some great finds in there lately.
I was reading the latest issue of Trans World Surf and Future advertised a great looking twin keel set called the Seaworthy, similar to the K1 but a bit more sleek. It's not to be found anywhere in their catalogue or the Internet. Any ideas? They must be "on the way" like their long board center box adapter.
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Andy,
I had the Starboard POD for just a short time so I know the board well in comparison to my L41 S4.
I sold the Starboard POD for one main reason. It felt too slow to me. The POD pivots really good and goes top to bottom really good as well. That's what makes that board so much fun and the reason why I got it. However, after 5 sessions I was craving more speed and could not get it out of the POD. The S4 is no comparison to the POD. Feels like 3 times the speed and much more refined. The S4 will bury a rail and hold when you need it while the POD has thick rails and performs so different.
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I could be wrong because I didn't measure it, but I think my 8' S2/3/4 had around 3" of tail rocker (unless my floor is out of whack) and a lot more than that in the nose.
Andy,
I had the Starboard POD for just a short time so I know the board well in comparison to my L41 S4.
I sold the Starboard POD for one main reason. It felt too slow to me. The POD pivots really good and goes top to bottom really good as well. That's what makes that board so much fun and the reason why I got it. However, after 5 sessions I was craving more speed and could not get it out of the POD. The S4 is no comparison to the POD. Feels like 3 times the speed and much more refined. The S4 will bury a rail and hold when you need it while the POD has thick rails and performs so different.
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I just checked the SRFNFF blog (http://srfnff.blogspot.com (http://srfnff.blogspot.com)) and saw a couple of cool things. First, Gary posted the video he shot of Kirk surfing his L41 S4 on a building swell about 2 weeks ago. I was out on my S2 that morning, and Kirk was killing it as usual. The clip has a great soundtrack so turn up the volume.
The other thing I picked up in the feature story seems to be a hint that the L41 Original SIMSUP may be going into production. To date, all of Kirk’s boards have been customs, but based on this quote it looks like at least one of the SIMSUP models will be headed for wider distribution. “There is even a rumor that the production models of the Original SIMSUP will soon be available internationally.” Does anybody else have some intel on this?
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well i got out on my new (last fall) board yesterday and after many sessions on it am just really not feeling it. definitely a bummer but what can you do it's all part of finding a good board.
after some interest, reading a ton of this thread, and a couple emails it looks like i'll be getting a simsup and joining the zoner sim shape paddlesurf crew...
im thinking 7'10x29.5 s4 should do me - it'll make a lot of sense for the type of waves we get here.
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Is the board going up for sale?
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it's not a simsup. but it will be for sure. gotta fund this new board. i live in canada so im sure i'll be trying to sell it locally.
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Go for a Cuban style and I'll meet you in Michigan. ;D ;D Put your passport in a baggie and we'll get you back across the boarder.
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My S3 order is in. 8'4"x31.5x4.75 per Kirk's recommendation. 4-6 weeks. Right around the end of April. Water will be warm by then. I'm 6'2" and will weigh 210-215 when it arrives
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It's coming! 7'11" X 31.5.
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It's coming! 7'11" X 31.5.
That board looks NICE!!!!!!!!
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Nice, and you got the "S" rails too! I hope you'll post more porn photos, er ah, I mean board photos.
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Getting a bit jaded. Forgot how the TimSUP makes people happy. Kind of like my dog Maximus.
Walking up the trail on Sunday. Fifties ish surfer dude who had been up on the cliff for awhile: "Hey dude, where did you get that board?" Me: "I beat up a homeless guy this morning and took it from him." Him: "No, really, where did you get that board?" Me: "I found it on the side of the freeway with this paddle. This whole standup paddle thing is kind of fun." Him: "Dude, come on..."
Then I did the sales pitch thing. I am so used to the bitterness, I have become a bit bitter. We laughed about it and then I walked back to the car.
SL
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SL... I think it's time for a road trip... eerr... plane trip.
Surf a few cold days with great waves and no crowd static....
It leaves a huge smile and a fuzzy warm feeling deep inside.... simply total peace & satisfaction
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Just got my new one in today. Gonna surf it tomorrow then take some pix of the board for you all. The board looks awesome and small. I did not do my finest work on the pad but it's fully functional ???
Feels very light too.
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I am so used to the bitterness, I have become a bit bitter. We laughed about it and then I walked back to the car.
When out on my small boards, I get a LOT of positive comments and whoops from surfers in the water. My baby Blurr averages ~two positive comments from prone surfers on land per outing. It's a crowd favorite. Got stopped four times whilst walking my last time out with it - all four by surfers with their boards in hand. One hit me up for SUP buying advice.
I don't experience the SUP hate, it's a bit weird I guess. It's 99% shakas and smiles.
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Just got my new one in today. Gonna surf it tomorrow then take some pix of the board for you all. The board looks awesome and small. I did not do my finest work on the pad but it's fully functional ???
Feels very light too.
saw the pic on l41's IG it looks awesome. wonder what the weight is on it. did you get the pad or do you put your own on it? i just wonder what the pads that you can get with them are like. im super picky about pads after having so many bad ones.
my order is in. S4, 7'10 x 29.5 x 4 1/2 with S Glass. wanted to go small but not too small so i can still surf this choppy slop the lake gives me
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Here it is:
L41 S4: 7'2" x 28" x 4 1/8" 94L
Dry weight = 12.6 pounds
With pad, stomp pad, monster spray on nose, and quad fins = 14.4 pounds.
Feels very light and the FCS handle is a huge improvement.
Not gonna give much of a review because it's on page 1 of this thread. Basically same as my other board, just a smidge smaller.
I will repeat a few things though. The board is extremely stable. I really can't believe it. I can relaxingly stand on it without having to paddle all the time. It must be the design of it and how it carries so much width throughout the whole board. Of course other elements come into play as well but kudos to Kirk for making an amazing board thats stable.
It's weird that when you go with a board that small, small adjustments look big. Example: .5" off the width and the board doesn't look near as wide as my other.
Surf: It was a 1 foot day out with occasional 2'ers. Way to small to give a review except it does feel like my other board so the review is not needed. The board feels amazing. On the 2'ers the waves would build up but flatten out quickly so not the best day. I did get 2 fun ones and it felt like a hot knife cutting through butter.
Can't wait for some bigger surf.
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When out on my small boards, I get a LOT of positive comments and whoops from surfers in the water.
Me too! =)
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Boludo that thing is looking great. such a small board and it sounds like you could actually go smaller if you wanted too. i can't wait to get mine.
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Looks great B. Which pad did you go with? And what's all the talk i keep seeing re: the FCS handle?
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endless,
I definitely could have gone even smaller but it would have taken the fun out of it. I really think these dims are perfect for me.
AJR, X-Trak pad with DK stomp pad. Bought 2 stomp pads just to add one more section on the sides to fit the wide tail better.
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Looks real sexy. Board turned out fantastic.
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Nice dude! Did you take it out at Swamis? How wide is the widest part of the bevel?
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Looks like your getting things dialed in nicely...very nice indeed.
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You should really talk to Kirk rather than getting info from the peanut gallery which advice will vary wildly from the "dude ankles under water is way more stable" to the more practical.
At 270, you should probably be shooting for no less than 160L and just to give you an idea, prior email exchange he said an 8'10 x 32 x 4 3/4 will net 150 liters. So you will probably want to add thickness first and then maybe some length to that. You probably don't want to go any wider, but I'd leave it up to the guy who is shaping them and not someone else who doesn't know your skills.
Definitely be wary of getting any advice from the little guys on this forum. I don't think they can appreciate what the difference in weight requires in a board.
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I'm in the process of ordering one. 6'3" 270#-what would you get? What about the carbon rails, other options...
Big Bear,
i second JD. K McG and I exchanged a few emails before i went with Corran. He also inspired me to put my money where my mouth was and get a full on twin. Super knowledgeable and just as prompt and professional.
SL
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Whoa, Timmy! Not even a quad option? Ballsy move.
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Supstoked,
Looks like you changed your 7-11 up to a swallow tail vs the block tail that Kings usually does. Looks good, how did you arrive at that?
Did I miss something SL or are you getting another Corran TimSup in a strict twin? If you're really going for it, how about half moons right on the tail: there's no school like old school.
Waiting for the fog to burn off...
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Whoa, Timmy! Not even a quad option? Ballsy move.
You all will come around.
Simmons boards are designed with two fins...way way back on the tail.
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My S3 order is in. 8'4"x31.5x4.75 per Kirk's recommendation. 4-6 weeks. Right around the end of April. Water will be warm by then. I'm 6'2" and will weigh 210-215 when it arrives
I'd like to hear some input from the guys already on these types of boards with regards to size of rider vs. size of board.
I'm currently on a 8'6x29.5x4.25 at 116lts (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=19182.0) (that is almost too "corky/floaty"), and tip the scales now at about 205-207. Reading "8'4"x31.5x4.75" as a recommendation for someone only a couple pounds heavier, just seems like too big of a board for what I am seeing as the intended purpose of them.
"Short", and "wide" (carried into the tail as in these boards), for someone around 200-210 to me is something under 8' (more like 7'-10), with a width of about 30ish or so, and a thickness relative to get the volume somewhere around 110-120.
What am I missing? ???
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Supstoked,
Looks like you changed your 7-11 up to a swallow tail vs the block tail that Kings usually does. Looks good, how did you arrive at that?
Did I miss something SL or are you getting another Corran TimSup in a strict twin? If you're really going for it, how about half moons right on the tail: there's no school like old school.
Waiting for the fog to burn off...
Dan, there is another thread in this topic area called "Why not Twins?" It discusses a collaboration between Corran, Roger Hinds, Larry Allison (Pro Box Larry) and me to make a mid 80's inspired twin.
Corran has to get props because all of our work together (going on four years now) gave us the right outline and basic volume parameters.
Then Roger took the Mach Bobby Roger outline and pushed the width around a bit to resemble the twin template... with SICK bottom contours. We shaped this together. My contribution was something like the holder for a placekicker, but less.
Then as I was looking at fin templates, I realized that no stock fin out there that captures the depth and rake parameters of the MR / Bill Stewart - ish twins, (the outline is very MR / Bill Stewart 1983 twin fin). So I reached out to Larry Allison. Who, as you can see has blown up the typical shortboard twin template, thrown his spin on it and is custom making a set of differing size half-moon trailers to see what I think about them.
I originally did not envision a third box, but Larry talked me into it... his take was, if you REALLY love the board, you aren't going to want to have to switch off when it is O and a half and throaty.
The reason that I have to give props to Kirk McG of L41 of Santa Cruz is because as we were e-mailing back and forth regarding simmons inspired boards and I was describing some of my fin experimentation, he hinted that perhaps rather than playing with twins on my quads, and moving the boxes around, I might make a little bigger commitment. I took that hint and ran with it. And blew the year's board budget in a three month span.
So that's what is going on in the twin fin world.
My next quiver pic is gonna be rather diverse.
SL
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"Short", and "wide" (carried into the tail as in these boards), for someone around 200-210 to me is something under 8' (more like 7'-10), with a width of about 30ish or so, and a thickness relative to get the volume somewhere around 110-120.
What am I missing? ???
Mine is 7'4 x 31.5 x 4.5 110-112 liters. I'm 200-205 lbs. Very comfortable and fast. Shorter is faster. The difference between east coast waves and west coast = shorter for us.
If you want shorter, do it.
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StandinDan, I am currently riding a 7'4" fish type shape and just decided on impulse to carry it over to the King's. The board is their SIMMONS SUP, but with the tail modified only.
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"Short", and "wide" (carried into the tail as in these boards), for someone around 200-210 to me is something under 8' (more like 7'-10), with a width of about 30ish or so, and a thickness relative to get the volume somewhere around 110-120.
What am I missing? ???
Mine is 7'4 x 31.5 x 4.5 110-112 liters. I'm 200-205 lbs. Very comfortable and fast. Shorter is faster. The difference between east coast waves and west coast = shorter for us.
If you want shorter, do it.
I rode a 7'6X29x4 Simmons and a 7'8X28X4 with step rails and the 7'6 felt sluggish compared to the 7'8. May just be me or the type of wave I was riding.
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I'm not sure they make them any longer but FCS made some big ass MR fins for twins but I don't think Futures made anything quite that big. You could buy a used set of FCS MR twins and if you have the tools you could make an adapter to fit a Futures box. I have a pair MR's on a Walden fish.
Supstoked,
Looks like you changed your 7-11 up to a swallow tail vs the block tail that Kings usually does. Looks good, how did you arrive at that?
Did I miss something SL or are you getting another Corran TimSup in a strict twin? If you're really going for it, how about half moons right on the tail: there's no school like old school.
Waiting for the fog to burn off...
Then as I was looking at fin templates, I realized that no stock fin out there that captures the depth and rake parameters of the MR / Bill Stewart - ish twins, (the outline is very MR / Bill Stewart 1983 twin fin). So I reached out to Larry Allison. Who, as you can see has blown up the typical shortboard twin template, thrown his spin on it and is custom making a set of differing size half-moon trailers to see what I think about them.
SL
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My S3 order is in. 8'4"x31.5x4.75 per Kirk's recommendation. 4-6 weeks. Right around the end of April. Water will be warm by then. I'm 6'2" and will weigh 210-215 when it arrives
I'd like to hear some input from the guys already on these types of boards with regards to size of rider vs. size of board.
What am I missing? ???
I rode the Infinity Phoenix V1. It was 7'6x31 and took no adjustment whatsoever.
I could easily envision shorter.
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Magenta,
I have those MR FCS fins... they are too small for what I am looking for.
(as you might have guessed, I have a very large fin collection).
Thx though.
SL
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Supstoked,
Looks like you changed your 7-11 up to a swallow tail vs the block tail that Kings usually does. Looks good, how did you arrive at that?
Did I miss something SL or are you getting another Corran TimSup in a strict twin? If you're really going for it, how about half moons right on the tail: there's no school like old school.
Waiting for the fog to burn off...
Dan, there is another thread in this topic area called "Why not Twins?" It discusses a collaboration between Corran, Roger Hinds, Larry Allison (Pro Box Larry) and me to make a mid 80's inspired twin.
Corran has to get props because all of our work together (going on four years now) gave us the right outline and basic volume parameters.
Then Roger took the Mach Bobby Roger outline and pushed the width around a bit to resemble the twin template... with SICK bottom contours. We shaped this together. My contribution was something like the holder for a placekicker, but less.
Then as I was looking at fin templates, I realized that no stock fin out there that captures the depth and rake parameters of the MR / Bill Stewart - ish twins, (the outline is very MR / Bill Stewart 1983 twin fin). So I reached out to Larry Allison. Who, as you can see has blown up the typical shortboard twin template, thrown his spin on it and is custom making a set of differing size half-moon trailers to see what I think about them.
I originally did not envision a third box, but Larry talked me into it... his take was, if you REALLY love the board, you aren't going to want to have to switch off when it is O and a half and throaty.
The reason that I have to give props to Kirk McG of L41 of Santa Cruz is because as we were e-mailing back and forth regarding simmons inspired boards and I was describing some of my fin experimentation, he hinted that perhaps rather than playing with twins on my quads, and moving the boxes around, I might make a little bigger commitment. I took that hint and ran with it. And blew the year's board budget in a three month span.
So that's what is going on in the twin fin world.
My next quiver pic is gonna be rather diverse.
SL
Tim, After seeing your board first hand yesterday at Aloha Glassing this is what I drummed up for you. MR twins modified to fit the Sup World which is different than the Surfboard World. With a Keel "Kick" fin in the center Probox almost 4" up from the split of your swallows. Mahalo
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SUPCHLU I worked with Kirk today and we changed the dims to 8'2"x31.5"x4.5. I should riding at 210 lbs.
Where are you riding? I'm in Florida where we get sub optimal conditions. If I was in Ca I might go narrower. Talk with Kirk and go off his recommendations. He'll ask what you've ridden before and set you up. Previously I was on an 8'11"x32" at 240 lbs so this is a step down.
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SUPCHLU I worked with Kirk today and we changed the dims to 8'2"x31.5"x4.5. I should riding at 210 lbs.
Where are you riding? I'm in Florida where we get sub optimal conditions. If I was in Ca I might go narrower. Talk with Kirk and go off his recommendations. He'll ask what you've ridden before and set you up. Previously I was on an 8'11"x32" at 240 lbs so this is a step down.
Thank you pguidry....yes, I'm in SoCal, and will definitely need to communicate with Kirk, when the budget allows.
I try to leave the impulsive buying to the wife, and it's hard enough looking at, hearing about, and drooling over all of these boards....I can only imagine my desire to plunk down money I don't have right now, as soon as I got the dims "just for what I need".
DW and giant, I'm leaning towards the "shorter is better" idea....
Thanks to all for the update, and advice. Hope to be able to do something in the not too distant future....fingers-crossed.
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Ah hell, now what's this fly-in-the-ointment? :o
(http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19723.0;attach=31917;image)
I gotta stop reading here....I think it's gonna get expensive!! ;D ;)
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I gotta stop reading here....I think it's gonna get expensive!! ;D ;)
Fortunately, there is an optimal number of boards after which you can cease acquisition.
Unfortunately, that number = (your current number of boards) + 1
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Sell one to buy one. The others are just going to collect dust.
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The process:
[1] fill your car/van/trailer with as much SUPs as you can
[2] rethink your setup to put even more SUPs in it
[3] upgrade your car/van size
... repeat from [1] :-)
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@ Colas - send you a PM ;D
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That assy sim sup looks frikkin AWESOME and makes a whole lot of sense! Of course I need it reversed since I'm a regular foot.
BTW: Is Tim Ryan the "timsup" man on this forum? If so, what is his username please?
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little vid of DB riding the Tombstone-Infinitys take on the simmons this thread is dedicated to.
smooooooottttthhhh.......
Pretty sure i will look like this but just with a paddle in my hand when i get the V3 ::) ;)
Mini Simmons Quick Clip on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/34866028)
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Pretty sure i will look like this but just with a paddle in my hand when i get the V3 ::) ;)
Hahahahahahha ;)
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Pretty sure i will look like this but just with a paddle in my hand when i get the V3 ::) ;)
Hahahahahahha ;)
i knew youd catch that!
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Ordered mine today finally! Went with the Corran "Retro," formerly known as Timsup, in 7'5" x29" x4.3" at 106 L. I'm sure it's going to seem massive after paddling the Mach 1, but I'm stoked to get on it.
After trying a bunch of Simmons type boards I decided to stick with Corran for two main reasons: 1) the rails on the Timsup had more bite than the other ones I tried and that suits my surfing just fine. 2) I've ridden a few of his boards, they all rode amazing and I trust his shapes. I sent him roughly what I thought I'd want and he came back 30 minutes later with a couple tweaks and now we're of and running. Man I can't wait!
Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
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Kneecap,
Because the "Retro" is such a GAY (not that there is anything wrong with it) name... whenever I say the name to Corran, I call it the f'ing retro (using the whole word of course). I figure that if I say it enough, he will change the name back to the TimSUP... be sure to let him know that it is properly known as the f'ing Retro (suing either the whole word, of the letter and an "ing" as you feel appropriate).
SL
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I was thinking about the name. I like "moped." Doesn't look all that special but it's sure fun to ride.
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It's called the Timsup on my invoice from Corran!
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Here's my take on this style of board. Gonna get it in the water tomorrow.
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I've seen dudes out at the reef on their Kings SimSups, and they're all rather big looking. Guy today was on his maiden voyage, 8'4"x30" (don't know the width). He's about 180 lbs (tall, though) but the board just looked unnecessarily large. I thought the point was to go short with these things?
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The Kings demo Simsups are all under 8', IIRC.
Some people demand them bigger because they don't realize how stable these are relative to their existing board (people like me).
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Cardiff,
8'4" x 30" seems really big. You gain a lot of volume with the wide tail.
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sweet lookin little nugg VonR!
diggin the moon tail
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I've seen dudes out at the reef on their Kings SimSups, and they're all rather big looking. Guy today was on his maiden voyage, 8'4"x30" (don't know the width). He's about 180 lbs (tall, though) but the board just looked unnecessarily large. I thought the point was to go short with these things?
seems this is pretty common-underestimating how floaty these things are-i was completely shocked when Boludo let me paddle his first L41. People may get scared by the seemingly crazy low numbers and inflate them a little to be safe.
Its a big purchase and i can see why-i went with almost same dims as boludos and i know its gonna be stupid fun.
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Think it really depends on what you want out of the board. Many of the folks here ordering them have many other boards in their quiver.
I ordered a slightly larger Kings than what I could have gone purely because I wanted to surf just that one board for all conditions hopefully. So its enabled me to come down from a 9'0X30 to a 7'7"X28 with relatively small adjustment in balance considering the volume. And for me the fact that at this size, it is as stable as it is yet the performance gain is that much better, is just a complete bonus. I however did think the Kings in the water for some reason, did look bigger. I think their tail is a little wider than the other SimSups.
Plus when I rode the shorter/wider Simmons, it didn't impress me as much as the slightly longer, narrower version.
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Dang! This thread has not lost any steam!
JeanG, I thought you already had a Kings Simmy? What dims are you going for the TimSup.
Kneecap, stoked for you bro!
VonR, that's a cool looking board. Nice job.
As far as some of the recent comments, I agree that the point of these boards is to go short. They are deceiving because they look so small yet they are so stable.
My 7'2 x 28 is very comfortable and could easily be a daily driver in most all SoCal conditions. I couldn't imagine the need for going much bigger on a SIMSUP based off my weight at 165.
I love these boards so much I've thought about getting a little quiver of these boards. Would love a 6'8" x 28 S2 or S3 version around 87L or so just to push the SIMSUP limit.
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Boludo,
I do have the King's, but I got it early in my SUP career. It's 8'4x29!
My Timsup is identical in dims to Tim's board - which I believe is pretty close to your first L41: 7'3x28.5x97L. Rode it at the demo day and really liked it.
I think it'd be awesome to try one of these things really really small - like this 6'3 L41: http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=19723.msg193121#msg193121 (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=19723.msg193121#msg193121)
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Here's my take on this style of board. Gonna get it in the water tomorrow.
What is the dimension and bottom contour? Im thinking about building a simsup, either going longer(7'+) but thinner thickness or shorter(around 6'8 ) and thicker. Most mini Simmons shortboard i seen to have a belly at the nose transition to a deep single concave at the tail. But most Simsup seem to have the opposite, a single concave to deep V. I just need to figure out the which bottom contour to go with. ???
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Now the question is when will the first SoCal SimSUP Demo day be?? Please make it after Sept. 1 so I can join in the fun ;D
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This one is 7'8" x 29" x 4" and 114L, designed to float some bigger guys. It has a single concave to moderate V bottom.
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But maybe 8'x4" is super small compared to his previous board and he's afraid of going too small?
I've seen dudes out at the reef on their Kings SimSups, and they're all rather big looking. Guy today was on his maiden voyage, 8'4"x30" (don't know the width). He's about 180 lbs (tall, though) but the board just looked unnecessarily large. I thought the point was to go short with these things?
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Very nice but what are the dimensions dude?
EDIT: Can't delete this but saw your dimensions after. Thanks!
Here's my take on this style of board. Gonna get it in the water tomorrow.
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Ucycle, I've gone as small as 6'10" on my SUPs; however, I've gone back to the mid 7" range now. I found the 6'10 to be a little too short and anything in the 8" range to be to big unless the surf is really big.
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Magenta, two posts above
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My L41 has quite a bit of belly up forward and coupled with the soft rails forward makes it really forgiving. You can still ride the nose too.
Here's my take on this style of board. Gonna get it in the water tomorrow.
What is the dimension and bottom contour? Im thinking about building a simsup, either going longer(7'+) but thinner thickness or shorter(around 6'8 ) and thicker. Most mini Simmons shortboard i seen to have a belly at the nose transition to a deep single concave at the tail. But most Simsup seem to have the opposite, a single concave to deep V. I just need to figure out the which bottom contour to go with. ???
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But maybe 8'x4" is super small compared to his previous board and he's afraid of going too small?
Good point. I forget some surfers like to just go out and have fun. I'm still in the "challenge me" stage.
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I have been reading this thread from the start and doing a little background reading along the way and thinking i may as well have a little play at shaping something similar. From what i read it seams like the original Simmons were a hull in the front leading to a single concave out of the tail however from the pictures on this thread it seams like a majority of the boards have a v with double concave. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind this and what the benefits of the two are? Colas you use the single concave design don't you?
many thanks charlie
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Thanks.
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I hear ya. Its the challenge that has me hooked on this. Not being able to demo a short board before ordering could be another reason why some go with a bigger board.
But maybe 8'x4" is super small compared to his previous board and he's afraid of going too small?
Good point. I forget some surfers like to just go out and have fun. I'm still in the "challenge me" stage.
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Censorship on the Zone - ain't nobody got time for that...
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Why was SL's latest post on this thread removed? It didn't mention any brands and it gave a great review and comparison of two different styled boards.
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I just went back about 10 pages and you deleted a lot of the cool stuff that has made this thread one of the most popular threads on your forum. I'm pretty sure none of the photos were posted by the shapers so I don't understand why you did this??
A friendly reminder. Please read the sticky post here: http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=18716.0 (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=18716.0)
We ask for your cooperation in these matters. Brand postings have been removed from this thread as have subsequent posts that stemmed from those.
Thanks.
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It's all about possible revenue loss.
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I am also disappointed about the all of a sudden deletions.
:o ??? :-\
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It's all about possible revenue loss.
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Still up at 4:58 eastern. ;D ;D
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But how could that be? Because they buy a custom board from a local shaper instead of a plastic wonder made in Taiwan through one of their affiliate links?
It's all about possible revenue loss.
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i dont get it either, it is not like the advertise companies have similar product(simsup) that they are competing with. IF they do starting making simsup, it is because of this thread and all the fellow zoners who give out their user input.
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A friendly reminder. Please read the sticky post here: http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=18716.0 (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=18716.0)
We ask for your cooperation in these matters. Brand postings have been removed from this thread as have subsequent posts that stemmed from those.
Thanks.
It would be helpful to know how to identify a "brand posting" vs posting a pic of a board you are stoked on. I am a site sponsor and I don't claim to understand the distinction in most cases. It is a shame so many great pics were deleted as this was a very stimulating thread and an excellent example of how influential "the Zone" is in developing this sport.
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I have been reading this thread from the start and doing a little background reading along the way and thinking i may as well have a little play at shaping something similar. From what i read it seams like the original Simmons were a hull in the front leading to a single concave out of the tail however from the pictures on this thread it seams like a majority of the boards have a v with double concave. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind this and what the benefits of the two are? Colas you use the single concave design don't you?
many thanks charlie
I have also been following this thread from the start and I am also interested in Colas views, he always offers refreshing views and he rides a board closest to the original Simmons as far as I know.
Another thing is that his board is the only option to get a Simmons sup in Europe.
It's all gone... Makes me wonder what else is deleted
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Compromise?
When a thread gets too pimped on Swayloks it gets moved by admin to http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/swaylocks-surfshop (http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/swaylocks-surfshop)
Nicer than having it all lost.
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I understand the need but it does seem a bit harsh especially for a thread that has sparked such great discussion.....I'm not sure some of the deletions met what I thought was the requirement. Maybe a comment/warning and a discussion would have been better served and made it clearer what is allowable?
At the same time I think you guys need to cut admin a break. There is good reason for the requirement. There have been plenty of folks that have come on here for no other reason than pushing a brand. Fake login names, friends with benefits plugging brands, some underhanded slamming of other brands through intermediaries, you name it. They understand the power of the zone very well. While I'm not sure I feel anything here went that far we did have sponsored riders, and brand reps commenting on gear that are not site sponsors. The zone is a private enterprise that has had a lot of heart and soul put into it, and more than a little time and sweat. I hope admin is finally making a few bucks off of it. I know I wouldn't put all this time and effort into something like this without expectation of some kind of return.
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Yes Mrs. Cleaver.
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It is ironic that good, intelligent discussion about SUPs gets censored, but if its about guns and chicks, then its all good. This is a SUP forum, right?
I didn't see anything in that thread that seemed to cross the line or deserved to be deleted. If the experts are automatically disqualified from commenting on products or trends, whats the point of discussion?
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There needs to be an anything goes section so when threads like this take on a life of its own Admin can move it to the Wild West Section. Maybe some forum sponsors don't like other products getting "liked" more than their products?????
the Ke Nalu thread was like this, but Kirk isn't even posting in this thread and that one went on ad nauseam.
Some clear ground rules being provided would be helpful hey? Instead of you've been deleted for posting something we decided is a no no and we aren't going to provide the details. A little clarity would go a long, otherwise this place is about to go the way of the Surfermag forum.
I complained about Wardog's over the top sales pitches being thrown into other people's threads a while back and got a "thanks for the comment" while noticing the ongoing blinky ad off to the side.
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It was great to see and hear about the endless variety of some sweet (mostly domestic custom) shapes on this thread. I hope it can continue on here.
That's what is really pushing it all forward. Not necessarily the one (or few sizes) that thinks it outfits it all.
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Funny you mention "fake login names" because there was a post yesterday or maybe earlier today that was a duplicate post but with a totally different username. If that was what caused the deletions then its probably because the admin could see they both had the same IP Address.
As one who makes a living from internet marketing, which offers me a lot of FREE TIME to do the stuff I love to do in my life, I have no problem at all with the owner of this site making a TON of money from his affiliate links and I really doubt anyone else has a problem with that. Speaking for myself, I've never met Kirk but figured it was cool to post photos of my yellow board.
ADMIN: I'm very thankful for this forum but could you please explain to us what happened so it won't happen again?
Thank you.
I understand the need but it does seem a bit harsh especially for a thread that has sparked such great discussion.....I'm not sure some of the deletions met what I thought was the requirement. Maybe a comment/warning and a discussion would have been better served and made it clearer what is allowable?
At the same time I think you guys need to cut admin a break. There is good reason for the requirement. There have been plenty of folks that have come on here for no other reason than pushing a brand. Fake login names, friends with benefits plugging brands, some underhanded slamming of other brands through intermediaries, you name it. They understand the power of the zone very well. While I'm not sure I feel anything here went that far we did have sponsored riders, and brand reps commenting on gear that are not site sponsors. The zone is a private enterprise that has had a lot of heart and soul put into it, and more than a little time and sweat. I hope admin is finally making a few bucks off of it. I know I wouldn't put all this time and effort into something like this without expectation of some kind of return.
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I have no problem at all with the owner of this site making a TON of money from his affiliate links and I really doubt anyone else has a problem with that.
I have no issue as long as the two big pitfalls are avoided: the contents do not suffer (useful information for readers on some subjects forbidden), and pretending to be a open community but being actually just a promotion medium for some brands.
Just as I have no issue with advertisement in newspapers / internet site, but I just wont subscribe to the ones where the advertisers impose the contents.
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Well said Colas, that why i love the SUZ from the beginning, alot contents that is non bias reviews based on real users. If i want bias review on stuff, i can always get it surf mag. Plus most zoners here have great BS/troll alerts.
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Bandwidth costs money. It’s not really cheap to run a forum of this size. If it wasn’t moderated for advertising you would have every joe blow wanna get into the SUP business spamming threads with their junk that no one wants; You gotta have rules in place to curb that. Its also not fair to the sponsors that do pay to advertise their product here. However, there is a difference between the owner of a brand pushing their own product, and a group of happy customers that are happy with a product, and in this case a style/shape of board. If this forum is going the way of ‘you can only have long positive product review threads about our own sponsors’ then that’s really too bad and will just cause people to move elsewhere unfortunately. But in the grand scheme of things, none of us pay to use this forum, they own it, their rules on how they wanna run things.
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I definitely appreciate what Admin does to make this site what it is, I just have trouble understanding how this thread is different from the Ke Nalu thread. I view them both as a source of information for people to chime in on what works for them, it never came across as a shaper/rep/company trying to push their product over others.
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Hi guys,
There is substantial brand motivation to having info posted on forum sites. The direct exposure value is high, the link value is high, and duration is high. These combined factors cannot be duplicated on other online resources, paid or otherwise. Forums have issues with this at registration and in the form of brand participation.
We are pleased to have a good deal of traffic to share and are stoked that site sponsors (which range from large brands to one man operations) have backed up the site and have requested to share in our traffic. Stand Up Paddlers who are associated with brands that are not site sponsors are allowed to post here but are not considered normal users. Their postings need to be limited to general info and cannot contain brand specific photos, videos, links, product info, etc. In other words, they should not be referring to their related brands at all.
When we see non-adherance to this rule, posts are removed and a dialogue typically begins. In the instance of this thread, our wishes were expressed and not followed.
This can of course be avoided by doing what most do. Drop a PM or email and we will be happy to let you know if what you intend to post is a fit for this site.
Thanks