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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: JakeSupTX on November 13, 2012, 05:58:08 AM
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Not sure if this is appropriate or not, hopefully I'm helping some folks out and not offending anybody.....BUT........Amazon has some Surftech 12'6 Lahui Kai Jaimie Mitchell race/flatwater boards on sale for about $325 with free shipping. I have bought two, one is already here the other will be here friday. The original list was over $2200. It is the real deal, I guess Amazon is just dumping them.
I'm not affiliated with anybody or looking for anything.....just hoping to pass on some stoke to somebody who might not have the funds for a higher level board. I can't think of a comparable board for that kind of money.
Jake
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THANKS! Do you have a link?
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Try here, I'm not good at links and stuff. There are a few models, check through the options....blue 12' 6"
http://www.amazon.com/Surftech-Lahui-Elite-Stand-Boards/dp/B00841K6EW/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Surftech-Lahui-Elite-Stand-Boards/dp/B00841K6EW/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1)
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NICE. Thanks!!!
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Totally glad to help, hopefully a bunch of people will score a great deal.....it says there are 19 left in stock. May the stoke be with you. :)
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18 left now ;D
I hope this actually ships, crazy deal.
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I got the first one yesterday, ordered a second this am before I spread the word to you guys. The one I have already is legit....carbon fin and free shipping alone was worth most of what I paid. The shipping company Dbags put a nice gouge in the paint but nothing worth sending it back over. I was pretty worried that it was some type of screw deal but Amazon has never done me wrong and other than the hassle of a return, it seemed like a reasonable chance to take.
I'm not the most knowledgable SUP guy around but I'm pretty confident that this is a good deal. I'm stoked watching people score good gear for cheap....I really hope nobody has a bad experience with it.
WOOOT!
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Just bought 3....make that 4...hopefully this works out well???
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Ordred 2. Seems like a deal that's too good to be true. Just wait and see. If this works out I will be looking to trade one for a 8' -8'6" SUP wave board in the 130ltr range. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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Too late . I was all over that but the price just went up to $1000 dollars with three left.... bummer
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This will be good balance practice for all of you. ;D
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Mierda I guess I was an hour late to that party!
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There's still a used one for around 300....board is new, box is messed up from what the info says. Anyway, hope it works out for everybody.
I'm about to go get me some balance practice on mine ;)
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Crazy good deal. Thanks for the heads up. By the sounds of it I was able to get one of the last ones.
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Looks like even that bad boy is gone. Thanks for the heads up though, Jake!
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Dang it...im still looking for a cheap board to hold me over until i can get my infinity in:(
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I probably should've figured this out before I bought it, but is there any difference between the 12'6" "pro elite" vs the other tab on the Amazon link that just says the 12'6" model??
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Thanks for the heads-up! ;D
I think I snagged the last "used" one - at least I got an order confirmation saying so...
Now, what exactly did I buy??
For those who already have this board - is it really a flatwater-only race board or can it be used as a coastal cruiser (off San Diego)?
I'd say my balance is average. I'm currently surfing on a 9'6" Blair and an 8'6" Stamps but am hoping the Lahui Kai would serve as my cruiser/distance board. If not, its still a heckuva a deal!
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Wow! Awesome deal, but I missed it. Thanks for the heads up.
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I ordered the 14ft one. However UPS is having a hard time getting it to me. So far on their 3rd attempt to ship, one should arrive today they say.
Ups lost the first one. Amazon's customer service has been spot on though. They keep overnighting them.
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hey BBQ how much was the 14fter and when did you order it.
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From the reviews that I read prior to buying my first one it is primarily a flat water race/cruiser. I have a 31" wide cruiser now, as well as a 28"x 9'6 surf board. At my low skill level in the surf, the 28" kills me....I suck... on flatwater it is tippy but I have never fallen with it. I know the 27" surftech is going to be less stable and more work but on flatwater I'm up to that challenge and progression. The second one I got I will end up selling for enough of a profit to pay for them both ( can't beat a free board :) ) or I'll trade it for a good inflatable.
The way I see it, you can't even get a really sucky entry board for less than 700 bucks so a decent race board at half of that price is an amazing steal. ( I actually paid a little over 550 for the first one, then watched the price keep dropping).
I really hope that it works out well for those that got one and nobody ends up bummed. Glad for the chance to pass on a bit o' d stoke.
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Sure hope Amazon will start putting on races or sup surf events, or sponsoring paddlers, or doing demos, or giving lessons, or help someone strap a board to their roof, or advertising in any of the sup specific magazines, or help to pioneer the sport for that matter - cause if you are selling sup's - those are all things you should be doing!
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Agreed Easy Rider. These weak individuals have no principles. ;D
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I bet my balance will be way off due to the wad of money I have left in my pockets.
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wow miss the price mistake from amazon. one good thing about amazon is they do honor most of their price mistake. i got a hitch bike rack for 25 shipped to my house and i thought i hit jackpot but those of you got more than one board probably could sell it for 900ish or more. I was bidding on a same board with shipping damage(buckle in the middle) and it sold for $600.
i can see some of these board in the classify very soon. maybe a zoner discount. ;D
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I figured somebody would miss the point of helping others out ( for no personal gain......you know...like the world should be) but choose to pay attention to the chance that a few ordinary folks might catch a good deal. I'm nervous that somebody will get screwed and I'll feel bad for sending down that path but in general my attempt at passing on stoke is why I even spoke up in the first place.
Easy Rider - It was apparent that they were dumping their stock, the price dropped about fifty bucks a day from my first view. Understanding that a bazillion dollar company can dump stuff in ways the local, smaller guys can't you can't blame anybody for snapping up an impossible deal. Not everybody has the money for a higher end race board....hence the heads up....sometimes the little consumer guys need a break, too.
As far as the support the local guys thing, I'm totally into it. I have ( although there is very, very little local SUP where I am) and will continue to support the local and small, honorable guys (like Pono formerly of Ke Nalu, Blue Planet....not local at all but their shipping, service and stoke are top notch, ULI, Creed, RIO Sup and several others have been upstanding in my eyes and will continue to get my support......JimK will be my first choice when I can afford a Fanatic All Wave). I did send a certain northern company a pm request for a shirt and sticker purchase, just for the cool factor and sake of repping them ( plus the tiki-like figure looked pretty cool).....however I got no response :( I accepted it as small potatoes and not worth the company's time for such a small profit margin on a shirt, however, I can't be accused of not trying to spread support.
For those who got the deal or were interested in the dynamics of the surf tech....from a very intermediate level paddler: It is tippy but light and fast. Read up on secondary stability, or maybe one of the experienced guys can explain it better but I think of it as tippy at first but if you don't freak and wobble yourself over, the rails will settle in and the board won't completely tip. So......wobbly but not unstable, seems to me to be a great way to build on balance and technique. I did about two miles a bit ago in 15-20 mph winds, fairly calm water ( a little wind chop, no swells). The water was cold for what I am used to here so I didn't push it as far as turns, etc....was being a puss and didn't want to fall in...no wetsuit.
The board tracked great, was several pounds lighter than my other displacement board and the side handle made it a breeze to load back on the truck rack. It beats the ever loving dogsh!t out of anything three times the price. Of course, a seasoned racer may have many boards that outperform on a side by side basis but if you are one of the newer guys that bought one....get used to the tippiness and you will be happy. The board, in my opinion, is also asthetically beautiful but whoever thought the camo deckpad was a good idea might need to lay off the weed a touch.....comfy but fugly.
Sorry for the novel.
PS.....for the Tax nazis out there.....Amazon charges tax in Texas....I paid my fair share.....so, you know......bite me :P
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Im going to keep this thread alive by posting this:
http://www.amazon.com/Surftech-Board-Black-11-Feet-X40-Inch/dp/B0069LQIDM/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352836382&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Surftech-Board-Black-11-Feet-X40-Inch/dp/B0069LQIDM/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352836382&sr=1-2)
not as good as the $300 paddle board but 11'6 surfech bag for $47 +free shipping is pretty good. for those who got the 12'6 will have only 1 ft sticking out.
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In Response:
I have no issues what so ever with more people getting into SUP, and I have no issues with people getting a ridiculous deal on a board (again more people involved).
What I do have issues with are companies that obviously shouldn't be selling sup's (hence the blow out pricing) screwing up the market for every other shop in the world that is "doing it right".
As posted - it wasn't a simple pricing error as the price dropped each day.
I know it's naive - but I would just like to be on a level playing field - and not have to battle companies that have no care or concern for the sport in which they are attempting to make money from.
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Im going to keep this thread alive by posting this:
http://www.amazon.com/Surftech-Board-Black-11-Feet-X40-Inch/dp/B0069LQIDM/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352836382&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Surftech-Board-Black-11-Feet-X40-Inch/dp/B0069LQIDM/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352836382&sr=1-2)
not as good as the $300 paddle board but 11'6 surfech bag for $47 +free shipping is pretty good. for those who got the 12'6 will have only 1 ft sticking out.
Buy cheap...get cheap...
Customer service, quality, and expertise are still the drivers for the vast numbers of our clients...not to mention free aloha, stoke, and passion...with every purchase...;-)
http://surfingsports.com/customer_testimonials.asp (http://surfingsports.com/customer_testimonials.asp)
Great reviews on that bag (1 out of 3) and customer service...;-)
1.0 out of 5 stars Horrible Service - Never got the bag I ordered May 2, 2012
By Rachel
I ordered this for my fiance's birthday and he loved it when he opened it. But, I ordered the 11'6" size (and my invoice, order confirmation, all confirmed this). Even the tag on the board cover that has the UPC on it read 11'6". However, it was actually the 10'6" cover - there was a fabric tag that stated so on the cover and we measured it. So obviously this wouldn't fit the board - so I contacted Amazon and asked for the proper size to be sent. Amazon said they would have the original one picked up when they delivered the new since it was an error. Well, that never happened and when the new cover arrived it too was the wrong size.
My second attempt to get the correct product was ignored and I just received a notice saying they would refund my money. Now I have 2 wrong board covers that I need to get back to Amazon and no birthday present. The problem is pretty simple - someone mis-labled the attached UPC tags - so anyone trying to order the 11ft 6in size isn't going to get the right product.
5.0 out of 5 stars Great bag September 5, 2012
By JanieK
Size Name:11-Feet 6 x 40-Inch|Amazon Verified Purchase
For the price, this is a great bag. I am really only using it for occasional road trips (1-2 per year) and storage and it has done great so far. The shoulder strap is really useful, too.
1.0 out of 5 stars 11'6" Bag July 25, 2012
By Heather
Do not purchase a Surftech Board Bag if you would like to use it for your Paddleboard. My bag ripped after 3 months of use. It ripped completely across the bottom directly behind the slit for the fin. Surftech is claiming that this is normal wear and tear. This definitely was not "Ripstop"
Leave the mall and shop small...support small customer focused businesses...
Totally baffling why these mega-stores even want to play in our sandbox with their cheap crap they don't service...
I would think that the low margins and size of the boxes would be a deterrent...
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Warren,
I totally get your perspective. It looks to me like a buyer screwed the pooch... and had to convert inventory to cash quickly... and lost his a** (and maybe his job) in the process.
Quick cash conversions screw things up for everybody... in real estate and in sporting goods. "But the house next store sold for $800,000 a few months ago..." "Well, yes, that was what is called a short sale. That is when a bank takes a loss to avoid the foreclosure process and quickly converts a loan to cash...." "But the house sold for $800,000... and it is just like your house." (repeat)
It hurts perceived value, and can cause folks to keep the credit cards in their wallets in the hope that another liquidation event pops up... and causes people to misperceive the real cost of inventory... because they can't get their heads around a company taking a $300-500 per unit loss.
It seems to me that whomever it was that liquidated those boards won't be competing for the SUP dollar anytime soon.
My two cents.
SL
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^^^ What he said! ;D
VVVV Also what he said!
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I second that. Someone is losing their a**
It appears Surftech is selling these direct (through Amazon) at far below what it costs to manufacture the board. I think we in the business should take note and be quick to bring it up to Surftech when they walk through the front door of your shop asking you to carry their line.
IMO - they should have run these boards through their dealer network at a reasonable closeout price structure. A fair deal for all.
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In this case the company liquidating the boards on Amazon is
Waveriders Surf Shop
675 Turquoise Street
La Jolla, California 92037
And not a "direct" Amazon sale. Nice find!
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Wow - that is a HUGE hit for a shop.
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Here is a little different perspective. I've been getting my daily stoke from the Zone for over two years now. At times, though, it gets discouraging to see a lot of you, who have been successful, showing your latest and greatest while I'm still making due with my 12'1 Laird for everything. My wife has been unemployed since February, I'm self-employed, but lost 2 months during the summer to back trouble and doctor restrictions. That definitely set back my dreams for even a used Glide etc. We've had some other financial situations in the last month setting me further back. I'm still stoked as ever, so when this deal came up, I saw it as a chance to get to the next level and continue to share the stoke and keep up with you all a little bit. The capitalist, free market countries we live in that allow you on here the financial freedom to pursue this lifestyle also at times create these opportunities for the rest of us that have to live tighter. I'm a painter and I have some great clients, but have people turn me down because they would rather pay day laborer wages instead. Over time, I think it evens out somewhat. So as I posted earlier, thanks so much, Jake for passing the deal on. By the way, I bought my Laird and paddle locally, and the next couple times I went in, they couldn't have ignored me more, so so much for that.
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Nice post Suprbowl. Glad you scored one!
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If thats the board you want, you'd be a fool not to buy it at that price. Grats to whoever got an amazing deal! Most shops have $6000 of liquidity on hand, so they too could have taken advantage of a crazy deal and bought the whole lot, taken them off the market and the resold them for a tidy profit later. I don't think anyone needs to feel bad about taking advantage of this.
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ooops. I should have sad that quick conversions of inventory to cash screw things up for everybody... EXCEPT the folks who scored the amazing deal.
The free market creates opportunities... congrat's to the Zoners who scored a RIDICULOUS deal! And props to the Zoner who posted it here for his bro's to take part.
SL
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Funny, mine came from Indiana, from an Amazon warehouse it appears. Seeing how Amazon had them on their site for quite awhile at the list price then began dumping them isn't it possible that they paid Surftech the market wholesale and blew them out on their own volition? I don't know the facts behind it any more than anybody else here but it is amazing the "what about me" lynch mob is already pointing the finger at a major company, as well as a local shop ( hey, always protect the locals, right?). If that shop in CA is selling some or one super cheap, do you know if it is an attempt to screw the industry or a small business owner in a last ditch effort to save his @ss and feed his kids? I don't think anybody checked before they threw his info up online and pointed the finger.
You going to call Naish next and ask them WTF? They sure do have a lot of gear for sale on Amazon. I bet when their rep walks in to offer you a chance to make some money you don't tell him/her how to handle business.
I normally don't get involved in BS internet arguing but the hippie crap mentality has me kind of fired up. "It's ok if I'M doing it but not if somebody else is and it is only cool/good if I say it is". It is also funny that some of those who appear to throw the threadjack flag at the slightest deviation have no problem jacking one when it is in their interest. The fact that it comes from some of the "heavyweights" on this site ( the Amazons in this scenario, maybe?) is strangely ironic.
A respectable "winner" in any field can have the integrity to be positive when a competitor wins once in awhile. In this case the winner is some average guys who got a break on a board they normally wouldn't have gotten. I respect gracious winners, even when a competitor is in the spotlight. The guys in back of the pack pointing fingers, not so much.
The whole point of the thread was to pass on stoke and be cool to people, again for no personal gain. Kind of irritated that it has taken this turn. Maybe I'm taking it personally when it doesn't really affect me but the ones proclaiming they are the "stokest" the innovators and the best to do business with aren't doing anything here but killing it.
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HAHAHA I was so busy ranting back at the machine that I missed the thank you's and positives. Thanks for that guys, that's what it was all about in the first place.
Well, that and scoring a killer deal.....going to go ride my "crappy" three hundred dollar race board again tomorrow :)
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Jake, well said. Bottom line is that those boards were going to sell at that price sooner or later, anyways. Cool that you hooked zoners up. Especially cool to hear a story like suprbowls. The one coming to me will have a bow slapped on it and put under my girlfriends tree. She has gotten a small taste of friendly competitive racing and LOVES it but doesn't have her own board.. this is going to make her day. (and score me some points).
I second your opinion about the circumstances. Too tough to know why these boards got dumped, where they really came from, and the full story. I respect and appreciate the guys on here that make their living in this industry and I'm sure they face internet battles like this often. Hopefully everyone sees that you weren't pushing against them, just helping other zoners score. Better a zoner than someone else, right?
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Amen! Now let's get out there and paddle!! :D
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So were on some mailing list for deals or something or did you just get lucky while window shopping?
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Anyone actually receive their board? I ordered the 14. It is listed as being sold from amazon and coming from their Pennsylvania Center. I live in NC and I have been going back and forth for about three weeks. Amazon has shipped three to me now through UPS. None have arrived. Tracking shows that it leaves UPS in transit to Greenville NC then poof. Gone. Amazon is trying hard to rectify the situation.
Anyone work for UPS and can help me out?
I paid $639. Looks like the price is back to $1500.
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So were on some mailing list for deals or something or did you just get lucky while window shopping?
Window shopping.
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@ JakeSupTX
I am sorry that I sent your tread off on a tangent. That was not my intent.
As I said - I am stoked when more people get into sup - and if this "deal" allowed more people to do that (or up grade their equipment) - then I am all for it.
Just have had a rough few weeks of similar "industry" related stuff that continues to make it hard (from a financial perspective) to keep on doing what I do.
To all those that managed to get a board for WAY less than any dealer will ever pay - Congrats - and have fun paddling.
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Curiouser and curiouser...
I live about 4 blocks from this address and I've never known that there was a shop there.
Maybe I'll stop by tomorrow and see what the story is.
Maybe too much competition from Mitch's, Bob's, Tower, OEI and Fastlane Sailing - all shops within about 5 miles of each other in PB & La Jolla.
Oh - and I just got my shipping notification from Amazon and it says my board is shipping from Goodyear, AZ. But I got the "used" board (whatever that ends up meaning).
In this case the company liquidating the boards on Amazon is
Waveriders Surf Shop
675 Turquoise Street
La Jolla, California 92037
And not a "direct" Amazon sale. Nice find!
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Buddy of mine that ordered one this morning got his shipping notification about an hour ago.
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I get shipping notices, then no board. :(
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I too am stoked for everyone that got a sick deal. I actually told my non-SUP "surfer" friend about it after he saw my board this weekend, and he jumped on it. I almost bought one for myself, but only the lack of garage space held me back (plus I have too many boards at the moment). Anyway, he'll love SUP as he's a great surfer/waterman and also has done plenty of marathon/tri. He lives in San Clemente and will go buy a paddle tomorrow and other gear as he gets more and more into it...
That being said, the "surfshop" that sold the board, http://www.waveridersurfboards.com (http://www.waveridersurfboards.com), is also less than 2 blocks from my house. In fact I can see it right.... now, well the back of it. Its an office building that no surfer in San Diego would ever recognize. There are no surfboards for sale, or wax, or just a guy to shoot this shit with. Maybe no surfers at all...
I think it is shady business to under-cut the market so drastically. A real surf shop would sell them for a minimum of $1000 on craigslist if all else failed, but since there is no shop, that is not an option. I will never personally buy something from them... at least not until its more than 90% off :)
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I left Surf tech a message but no reply so far. I know they had a bunch of the LuiKai boards left over the last time I checked in September but they were not super cheap.
I do have a problem with the deal if it is a Surf Tech to Amazon direct leaving any dealer out of the deal like what BIC did last year. If wholesale operations offer the deals to all their retail outlets that's fair, but when they sell direct to Amazon, or other online close out operations and leave their year round shops out, that's when I don't like it.
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a Surf Tech to Amazon direct leaving any dealer out of the deal
That's what has got me wondering what is going on. Stuff in warehouses all over the country. Why would one small dealer have so many of one kind of board? That's absurd. Someone was in a world of hurt or something fishy? It's not like they were sold out of a van in a parking lot. Hell yeah, I wish I would have got in on it.
I don't know the whole process but I had thought to be a dealer for this kind of stuff....Hobie, Naish, Kialoa, Malibu, Rosignol, Burton, Dynastar, Northface, Marmot, Patagonia, etc. etc..you have a minimum price you can hawk their wares for. At least until a certain amount of time has passed. This is what keeps a level playing field and "local" dealers buying more goods in the future as they feel they have a fair shot if nothing else. No clue but I just kind of thought how it worked. As a dealer I would be pissed too.
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If that shop in CA is selling some or one super cheap, do you know if it is an attempt to screw the industry or a small business owner in a last ditch effort to save his @ss and feed his kids? I don't think anybody checked before they threw his info up online
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I only pointed out the local shop to illustrate that lots of small businesses sell through Amazon. Nothing wrong with that.
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Easyrider - Man, its cool, no worries at all. I respect your position even though it is opposite of mine. I appreciate the apology although it isn't necessary. I don't rely on consumer whim for my livelihood so it is easy for me to side with the buyer. I can appreciate the strain of owning a business and how rough it can be on you. Like I said, I usually don't get spun up in internet arguments, to me it was more the principle of my position. I do enjoy a good debate, especially when it stays somewhat peaceful. I also wasn't trying to be the thread nazi, it isn't mine any more than anyone else's, was just arguing the point. Hopefully it's all good and no hard feelings.
BBQ - I'm not sure why they keep jerking you around with UPS, I'm almost positive they don't handle stuff this large for residential deliveries. My first one came from a local freight company and the tracking for the second appears to be the same. My second is supposedly already on the way but the shipper name hasn't updated yet. This will be my fourth board via shipper, each one has been different so far but they all have been logistics freight companies not UPS or Fedex. I wish I had a better idea of how to actually solve that problem, I can't think of anything but the obvious stuff you've already tried. You'd think that they'd be sick of wasting time and money losing boards.
Bean - Nothing wrong with it at all, I've bought plenty from shops selling through Amazon. I perceived it to be a finger getting pointed at a local shop that might have doing something different than what was described and getting thrown under the bus for it. The problem was likely in my perception and my apologies if I was off track.
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Jake...although the style board they were selling on Amazon was not something I was interested in, I greatly appreciate the kindness you were/are trying to share with fellow SUP'ers on the zone. Please keep "doing on to others as you would want them to do onto you". It is unfortunate that there are some bound and determined to have no good deed go unpunished.
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Ordered two, his and hers. Even if I end up selling them later, the next guy will get a deal on a used board.
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Mine is coming from AZ, and the carrier is CEVA? Never heard of it...
Thanks again Jake. Pretty cool how someone you don't even know can make your day.. Definitely some good karma going your way Jake
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Easy Rider, I too apologize for "jumping on" and running the thread in another direction. I think it's great that people got a deal. Big picture, more SUPS on the water is a good thing. But something does sound "off" with the price, they're giving the board away, and the non-existent shop that is selling them. (?)
Every shop must move out excess inventory at some point. I will be clearing out some excess inventory next week with a CLEARANCE SALE ;D
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Thanks again for the kind words everybody, passing on some stoke is what it is all about. I'm really glad some folks are going to get a great xmas.
Haole - My second one is also coming from Arizona via Ceva. Take a deep breath on this...........My first one from Amazon came via Ceva as well.......they were pretty sketchy in their customer service. Reviews for Ceva pretty much suck, they got the board here on time the first time but that was about it. Watch them with shaky scheduling and the drivers trying to bully you into signing before you inspect the board. If you stay on top of it and let them know you are paying attention you should be fine. Not trying to make you stressed but stay on top of these guys.
I'm not sure how far from the air freight hub you are but with one of my earlier boards I picked it up at the delivery company's dock. It was about an hour or so out of my way up into Houston but I didn't have to deal with a delivery time or driver BS.
Paddle On!
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Don't get bullied by freight drivers, they are paid to sit and let you inspect the package BEFORE you sign. That said, even if the board was cut in half and you have to dish out a few hundred bucks to put it back together you are still getting an awesome deal :D
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As Jake said - - to ALL that bought a board - (or buy any board for that matter) INSPECT IT OUT OF THE BOX BEFORE SIGNING FOR IT! I mean completely un wrap it - no matter what the condition of the box.
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Thanks for the professionals tips. Hope everyone gets their boards hassle free.
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Easy Rider, I too apologize for "jumping on" and running the thread in another direction. I think it's great that people got a deal. Big picture, more SUPS on the water is a good thing. But something does sound "off" with the price, they're giving the board away, and the non-existent shop that is selling them. (?)
Every shop must move out excess inventory at some point. I will be clearing out some excess inventory next week with a CLEARANCE SALE ;D
Hey Greg, let us know when your sale is happening! I will come by for a look see.
Mike
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Wow - that didn't take long...
Looks like these are already hitting craigslist:
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/spo/3409269667.html (http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/spo/3409269667.html)
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/spo/3408225382.html (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/spo/3408225382.html)
Asking $1200 & $825. It'll be interesting to see how fast they sell.
I plan on paddling the heck out of mine (once it arrives) but can't begrudge those who are reselling theirs. That's a nice ROI. JakeSupTXp should be getting a commission!!
CEVA says mine will be here on Friday - but who knows.
Thanks again JakeSupTX!
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Keep ur eye out for other deals...I'll be boardless this winter:(
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Thanks for the heads up on CEVA.
Can't blame anyone for trying to sell it, but $1200 seems steep. Pretty sure you could find a better deal for it on an online store. Atleast at $825 someone is getting a good deal too.
I am debating selling mine or giving it to the wife for Xmas. Not an ideal board for her (5'5" 120 lbs), but definitely an ideal price which she doesn't have to know about ;D.
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WOW... this thing seems to be getting out of control! cant wait 4 the next 1
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Well, I think I got it worked out. ::)
After I had the fourth Amazon rep contact UPS and get the same answer. I told him to call back and see if UPS would even deliver something that big and if they have to use another freight company. He said he would research it and scheduled to get back with me on Friday. 5 min. later he called me back and said I was right and transferred me to large products department. The guy there told me he would line it up with Ceva.
Seems like the east coast warehouse didn't know to use the alternate carrier and kept shipping it UPS. UPS kept taking it.
If these deals pop up again, my advice would be to call the order in and talk to a rep to be sure it is handled correctly.
They say next week. We will see.
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I love the " Its not what I wanted but it was a great price" part of this thread. :D
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I love the " Its not what I wanted but it was a great price" part of this thread. :D
If this were Facebook - I would hit the "Like" button ;D
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Rule #1 on ordering online is never call in an order. if it is a price mistake, most CS will flag it and you will not able to order. It is best to place the order online and call in later. Again most companies will cancel your order if they found out it is a price mistake but amazon always fullfill my order even it will cost them more.
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If this were Facebook you would be a "facebook bully" ;)
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I love the " Its not what I wanted but it was a great price" part of this thread. :D
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If you're going to put quotes around something at least get it right. Pretty sure I said it's not an ideal board for my "wife". To clarify that for you: I will be the one using the board the majority of the time but it's a board she can enjoy out on a lake with me as well now that I own two boards thanks to Jake.
Not sure why it's just a big deal that it's "not an ideal board for my wife" to you. Also, not sure why you guys can't be happy for someone who just scored a good deal. It's not like it was a free Obama handout. ;)
You keep paying full price though for your boards/gear if it makes you feel above everybody else. Capitalism is a beautiful thing.
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If this were Facebook you would be a "facebook bully" ;)
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I love the " Its not what I wanted but it was a great price" part of this thread. :D
haolebuilt---I know gorgebob, and happen to know a bit about the background behind his post. When you posted about buying the board, several of us here had a secret meeting and discussed your purchase in detail, and what kind of response was warranted. We split into committees and worked for more than an hour to craft the best response. We voted to have gorgebob come up with the exact language with which to address your particular purchase. Some people here are still pretty upset about the price that you in particular paid. Some words (bad ones that were inappropriate) were exchanged within our own group, and I'm not proud say this, but yes, some self esteems were hurt.
Of course, the alternative explanation could be that it was a comment about human nature in general and not about any particular person, and that the quotes were not meant to indicate something any particular person actually said, and that nobody is unhappy that you or anyone else got a good price. It is possible. ;D
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BBQ - Glad you got it hopefully worked out. Good luck with Ceva, I just tried calling them to schedule for delivery and got no answer.....again. :( They made it here the first time, hopefully the second will be ok, too. I just don't trust them. I'm off this half of the week, I sure hope they get it right and don't make me wait until a work day, that is a huge hassle. I can foresee a drive to the loading dock tomorrow but whatever, it beats being stuck at work.
If I end up flipping the second board I'll have gotten the first for free. Actually, I will make a profit of $39.51 at my asking price.......I'm keeping the profit as punitive damages for easy rider and the others stressing me out......hahaha kidding!
It is a beautiful day down here, just got back from taking the dog to the beach.....now I'm going to take my new board out for some balance practice. Like someone said earlier.........I just hope all of that extra cash in my pockets doesn't make me fall in ;D Hmmmm, I wonder if there are any deals on hair dryers on Amazon?
As fired up as people are getting on here (obviously, I'm guilty, too) it is becoming a easy target gold mine for comedic opportunities.
Haole - I hope you and your girl enjoy your board with every paddle stroke, glad you got a great deal. That's what it is all about, who gives a sh!t about what anybody thinks.
Have a great time and be safe everybody.
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In all seriousness - (pdxmike aside) - for all those that are waiting for a board to be delivered by a trucking company - - try calling the company and offer to pick it up at the depot closest to you.
I pick up (and deliver) all the boards coming and going to my shop at several different trucking company depots here in my city. The depot people are ALWAYS very happy to have me do this, because as we all know SUP's in boxes are not the easiest thing to move. That and most trucking companies are not set up for residential deliveries. (big trucks - small streets - etc.)
Worth a shot.
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As the updates of shipping problems are surfacing, I think the shop owners in here are saying quietly " See you get what you pay for. Wouldn't have happened if you supported a brick and mortar." As I mentioned, I'm a painter, and when someone thinks I'm too high, I secretly hope the cheapo they hire tracks paint on their rug etc. When your livelihood is based on you working hard and being as pro as possible, it hurts to be undercut, but lots of us here aren't independently wealthy, so we get excited on deals. I think we can all end this now and go read Creeks post with the vintage pics and feed off his stoke.
Ps. Thanks again Easy for some more insider info.
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Suprbowl,
Totally unrelated thread hijack. A few years ago (actually a decade ago) after my wife and I bought our "dream home," the first thing that we did was have it painted.
We had a trusted painter, a real pro who did all of our painting for us... We had him come out and bid the job. OMG!!! We swallowed hard. Got another bid from another professional and ended up going with the guy that we trusted. It was a rough stucco tudor style sprawling one story (with a one room second story bonus room)... a very tough type of surface to fully and properly cover. He did his usual fantastic job
Anyway, my neighbor was blown away at the quality of the job that my guy did and had him come over and bid his house. A few weeks later, I saw some "handymen" painting his house. When asked, he told me that my guy was WAY too expensive. Long story short, he had his house painted again two years later, and again a few years after that. When we sold the house last year, our original paint job was still going strong.
Zoners got a great deal! But the seller does not give a rip about whether or not you ever buy something from him or her EVER again... so you are on your own actually getting your product to your door unharmed... but hey, that's what discount shopping is about... and you guys will be stoked when you pull it off!
Pretty cool of the brick and mortar guys to be rooting for you and giving you tips on how not to get hosed.
As Austin Powers said, "Yay capitalism!"
SL
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Can I continue the hijack?? It does seem like the "you get what you paid for" conversation has moved onto airlines on the other thread anyway.
I have great empathy for painters. Of all the construction trades, that's the one with probably the biggest spreads in price and quality. Most of the trades have some pretty high barriers to getting into the field--electricians, plumbers, etc. But anyone can become a painter. That doesn't mean almost anyone can be a GOOD painter. It takes several times longer to prep correctly, but it's completely possible to paint without doing any prep at all. And even the cost of good paint is a lot more than the el cheapo stuff. Good painters are at least as skilled as anyone on a job. (They can be a little weird, esp. with their choice of radio stations, but that could be from the fumes, and it's another topic.)
I hear stories like yours about painters all the time. The tough part is that if you're a good painter, you can't earn a living just by collecting stories of people wishing they'd hired you.
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It nice to have the info out there on how to receive a shipped SUP. Many don't know their rights and how its a pain to deal with trucking firms. I would say about 10% of the boards we get are damaged. Some of the boards are damaged at the factory boxed up and shipped. You have to un rap every board check noses,rails and tails, take photos save the box note damage on the claim and haggle on a value lost. I don't know how shops do it with out a repair facility. The whole shipping thing sucks, but thats the way it goes and they got to get here some how. I have not seen a less damage on any particular trucking firm. If so I would like to know. Good luck on all the deals, Think global, shop local.
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This is getting stupid. The boards were ordered 2 days ago. After 10 days if they dont show up then start getting concerned. The company shipping my boards ABF called me yesterday and said expect them at my door on the 20th at around 2pm and they would call 1/2 hour before the driver arrives. They also said that he will wait for me to unpackage and inspect. That sounds great I said, she thanked me for my business and gave me a direct local number to call if I have any questions or concerns after I hung up I got a confirmation text message.
Side note I called three painters for a recently finished room over the garage one was $1200 the other was $800 and one was $500. I went with the $500 job and never once wished I paid $800 or $1200. Today I have a new MTN bike with the money I saved.
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In willingly for the hijack this time.......so how does a guy who knows nothing about painting find a good painter? I have this issue coming up as I prepare to sell my house this summer and have nothing to go on. How do I find out who is good other than Angie's list type reviews or picking the highest bid? Any wisdom?
As far as to nitpick at words over you get what you pay for.......I'd argue more that the quality of the board versus final price would be a solid benchmark. Shipping is a customer service issue, in my humble opinion, and in this case it is free. I admit that free is worthless if the board doesn't show up on time or is damaged in shipping. Staying on top of a suspect or poor performing third party carrier is extra legwork, yes, but if it makes the difference in avoiding a nightmare or babysitting the doofus to get the job done I'm willing to do the work. I can't control the shipper in many instances but I can try to avoid a mess by not sitting there "hoping" they do it right. Kind of like Easy Rider picking up his gear....he has a ton of money wrapped up in his inventory, I'm sure, and gives himself a bit more control of the variables by making his own pickups and establishing relationships with his shippers. I would guess he has better things to do with that time but sometimes it is worth the effort.
PS I finally got through to Ceva, my other one will be here tomorrow at 1 pm. I hope others post up their results as the boards show up so we can see what the final score is.
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I'm currently dealing with ABF on a different board purchase. Nothing bad to say, but they did say that I had ti sign before I could open the package, as that's what they have to do. I am allowed to inspect the box/package for outside /possible inside damage before I sign though.
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Just got my call from CEVA.
Board will be here between 8am-12pm tomorrow morning.
I mentioned that I wanted to open up and inspect the package before signing and they said "no problem". We shall see...
I'll either have good news or bad news tomorrow morning - and I'll report either way.
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Jake--I'd say the best way to find one is to get names from people you know who've actually hired them--homeowners, or maybe if you know any general contractors, architects, real estate agents... Next best is recommendations from friends of friends...The more familiar you are with the recommender, the better. You can talk to several painters, but I wouldn't ask for a bunch of bids. If you're asking 6 people for bids, nobody's going to want to spend much time being accurate. A good painter should be able to tell you what's in their price in some detail. It's a warning sign if a guy throws out a number with no backup info. And the guy who's perfect for one client might be wrong for another--that's why it's good to talk to more than one.
And the thing with bids is that then you have to figure out--is the low guy the best because his price is best, or is he the worst because he's not planning to do good prep, or use good paint, or maybe he racks the price up with extras later. Same with the high bid--he's not necessarily any better--could just be more expensive, or is planning for better quality than you need. You can tell a lot about bidders in any field by how conscientious they are about asking questions, explaining their bid, etc. separate from what the price is.
And to the other guy, my point wasn't that more expensive is better, or that cheaper is never good. Just like when people experienced with getting deliveries are generously giving out free, helpful info about inspecting boards, that doesn't mean they're saying anything bad is going to happen with your order.
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Just had a board delivered by ABF to me in Florida yesterday. They had given me a tracking number so I could track where the board was. They called me the day before to arrange a delivery window (3 hrs) and called me about 10 mins before they were at my garage door.
The driver was great and patient and even helped me unpack the board and waited until I was 100% certain there wasn't a nic, scrape, dent, or other damage before I signed his iPad . He seemed as concerned as I did because the box had a tell tale fork lift tear. No damage at all.
I thought their customer service was great (West Palm Beach office) and it only took 4 days from Wisconsin to Florida.
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While I am giving out tips - - to all those who are forced to sign first - inspect second . . . the proper phrase to write on BOTH copies of the weigh bill - right by your signature is "Contents Subject to Inspection".
Also have the driver sign your copy.
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Jake, really curious how you stumbled on this deal? Check it every day? Inside scoop?
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Lots of jealous people here, I always heard good things about that board and would love to have one. But dont need it.
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I stumbled on it, literally, when I was looking at inflatables......specifically to see if Naish had put their Naish One 12'6 inflatable on there yet. My rationale, not that I'm looking for approval or disapproval from anybody, is simple......where I live there is little to no SUP business support and very little to actually look at or demo in person. I HAVE to order online, especially something specific. I have an Amazon account with zero interest and a generous limit. Most boards on Amazon are crap but there are a few gems. I found a Surftech inflatable at a discount, clicked on it just for the heck of it and the board of fury popped up in the links section. I looked at it for several days then took a chance with it. Then the price started dropping even more every day. I finally bought a second and then spilled the beans to everybody here.
I had no reason to not tell anybody else and be greedy. I had already gotten my fair share, why not spread the word and let some others get a break, too? Stoke is a big deal to me, it was nothing for me to type a few lines to try to be cool to others.
I wouldn't normally buy something like this from Amazon, I'd internet search for the best deal for the exact board I want. If it happens to be where I can put it on a zero interest deal, get free shipping and some consumer protection.....even sweeter for me. I wanted a good inflatable so I can take my dog out without her toenails wrecking the board, she is a 70 lb German Shepherd. I am fairly good at researching prices/deals and I pay attention. I don't make a ton of money so big ticket toys require some extra effort on my part.
And if Naish puts the One up on Amazon after I pay these boards off, guess what I'm going to do? BAM one click shopping B!tches!!! Anybody from the business sector want to compete for my business, I'm glad to listen....just be ready to be the best deal or open a shop in my town.
Seriously....PLEASE OPEN A SHOP IN MY TOWN!!!!!!
Edit*** Also wanted to give props to Easy Rider, he is throwing out a lot of good info to protect folks and help them out. Goes to show that on either side of an argument there are good people and good points. Difference of position doesn't always mean one side sucks. If I was up in the Canadian market, I'd definitely be considering that shop as a contender for my business. Plus, they get to SUP in the mall.
Peace out
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Thanks Jake. Taking your location into consideration, even if you lived across the street from the water and 3 blocks down the road from 10 shops, at that price you'd be a complete idiot NOT buying one. You've done a great service to the community for sharing. Stay black.
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Yes we have indoor surfing in a mall - - but it is balanced by this . . . ;D
(http://www.theeasyrider.com/palladium/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/wc3.jpg)
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That is exactly why I'm not up in the Canadian market......I friggin HATE cold weather. I'm looking forward to moving out of the Houston suckhole next year but hell if I go into that kind of cold.
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Thanks for the painting hijack, guys. I always tell people that anyone can put color on a surface, anyone. The difference between that and a pro painter is huge. Sometimes that's all someone wants or can afford. I've noticed over the years, though, that once you start working on surfaces, all of a sudden the homeowner develops a keen eye, seeing things they have lived with for years; so I have learned to fix old mistakes, make it look nice for now,and use products and techniques that will last for years (a la Strands experience) Pdx pretty much said it as far as finding a good painter. I moved 7 years ago and have not once had to advertise. I will add to look for painters established in your area. I forget who said it, but the board seller isn't looking for repeat customers. Some painters are the same, looking for a quick buck and move on. Also if there are any licenses needed ( in my county I need a home improvement lic. for exterior) make sure they have it. Proof of insurance, references. When they come to look at the work, look at it as a job interview and take the time to ask. I also, never give a ballpark on the spot. It has always burned me. So someone willing to take the time to write a detailed estimate is a good sign.
jrad: Nice score and glad you have no regrets
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Does anyone have contact info for CEVA? I'd like to call them well in advance to advise them that I would like to pickup at their location rather than hassle with them trying to deliver to our residential address.... Thanks
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Hey just googled ceva and found this
http://www.cevalogistics.com/en-US/pages/WorldwideDirectory.aspx (http://www.cevalogistics.com/en-US/pages/WorldwideDirectory.aspx)
Closest listing for us is JFK
516-620-6000/6295
877-888-1146
Let me know when you go get them. Can you tell I'm stoked?!
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Sweet. Tracking says they'll be here on 11/23... Black Friday
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Yes we have indoor surfing in a mall - - but it is balanced by this . . . ;D
(http://www.theeasyrider.com/palladium/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/wc3.jpg)
Hey Easy, how are you loving that OR suit? I've been out in mine twice and it's awesome!!! Going out again this weekend but thankfully, no ice here yet.
And Jake, thanks for posting that original link, glad I didn't see it! Or, I'd need another storage locker. That, or another wife. ;)
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NoSalt--Isn't one wife enough?
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Surftech sales manager is let go. This is all I know about his job at this time. I wonder if the Amazon sale of the LauiKai's had anything to do with his departure.
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I hate to see a guy lose his job over something like that. I wonder what the story was.
That Ocean Rodeo dry suit looks bad@ss, glad I don't have the need for one but it is slick.
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Anybody ever fall into some icey waters with the Ocean Rodeo or any dry suit. Just wondering if you still freeze with that on after taking a dive?
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The dry suit is awesome - Haven't fallen in, in true "icy" conditions - but have had to wade in to my waist to break through the surface ice. Have stayed toasty warm in it. On this last paddle I had my Quiksilver Cypher heat vest on under it - and was very comfy.
As for the Surf Tech sales manager losing his job . . . if he did something he wasn't supposed to . . .
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CEVA and Amazon came through!
CEVA showed up exactly as promised and the guys were cool and patient with me as I unpacked the board - which took awhile as there is a lot of tape and bubble wrap.
My board does have a small blemish that goes into the color coat (but its really shallow). This correlates to the damage that was done to the shipping box that had been repaired with another piece of cardboard. But bare in mind that I bought the "used" board - which means that I knew that I was getting a board that had damaged packaging.
The issues is so minor and superficial that I gladly accepted the package. I'll probably do more damage with paddle nicks on my first outage anyway!
So I'm very very stoked!! The wife thinks its pretty as well though she's not too keen having it decorate the living room - but I'm working on her...
Thanks again for sharing the stoke Jake, as well as to the others who positively contributed to this thread. ;D ;D
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I'm stoked for you guys!!!
Glad you scored.
I am always checking the zone, but I missed the few hours where the door was open on this one.
I flat-water a 9'10 surf sup everyday
I actually had enough cash that day to jump at this..
Oh well, serves me right for playing golf that day ;-)
Good thing I like my shorty... But at that price, I would have bought one of these.
Enjoy the boards!
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Martog, man I'm so glad it got there and you scored! If it makes you feel any better, my first "new" one had a bigger scuff than that. Doesn't bother me a bit, I can live with it for the price. The second is due here sometime this afternoon. I took my first one out again just a bit ago, new personal best mile times according to runkeeper. Granted, I'm not racer and this board is a step up from my other "race" board but I'm stoked and out paddling and that is what it is all about.
If the surftech guy was being shady I agree he should go, I just hope he wasn't the fall guy for higher ups' misdeeds. That being said, I'd love to find a job in the sup/ board business. 279 days to go until I can retire from my current gig....so any of you bigwigs need a busted up old cop to hawk some boards for you.....hit a brutha up!!!
I hope to see many more success stories over the next bit.
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I just got the cancellation notice this morning from Amazon. I called them and they said that there wasn't enough inventory to fulfill my order. Strangest part is that there 19 when I bought mine. A buddy of mine bought one about an hour later and his has already shipped. Don't get it, felt like it was too good to be true, at least some are scoring! So much for a kick @ss Xmas present for the girl this year... crtraveler, let me know if you want to get rid of one and make a little profit ;)
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I wonder why they picked you out of the crowd? I wonder if they figured out a mistake and cancelled the ones that hadn't shipped yet. What a kick in the nuts. Sorry man.
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They got plenty of stock if you want to pay 1351 to 1500. So that does not sound right to cancel your order and say they don't have stock.
You guys got a super deal. Pass on the stoke
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Just had a board delivered by ABF to me in Florida yesterday. They had given me a tracking number so I could track where the board was. They called me the day before to arrange a delivery window (3 hrs) and called me about 10 mins before they were at my garage door.
The driver was great and patient and even helped me unpack the board and waited until I was 100% certain there wasn't a nic, scrape, dent, or other damage before I signed his iPad . He seemed as concerned as I did because the box had a tell tale fork lift tear. No damage at all.
I thought their customer service was great (West Palm Beach office) and it only took 4 days from Wisconsin to Florida.
My boards arrived at ABF terminal today and I went out to pick them up. All of the staff at the terminal were great and excited to see the boards ( Not that many coming through the great lakes). Box had some minor damage on the outside, but THanks to George at Infinity, the boards arived safe and sound. Awesome pack job. More to follow on the boards in another thread. ABF was great and I would totally use them again.
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They got plenty of stock if you want to pay 1351 to 1500. So that does not sound right to cancel your order and say they don't have stock.
You guys got a super deal. Pass on the stoke
The boards available in that price range are sold by Surftech. The ones for $325 were sold by Amazon...
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if you talk(live chat) to the amazon CS and ask for some sort a compensation for there error, usually they give you amazon GC($10-??). Or ask to be inthe backorder whenever it come back in stock.
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675 Turquiose is the West End, a dive bar between Pacific Beach and La Jolla.
A very fun place with friendly people (I've partied there with the Hells Angels) but a dive bar none the less. Those blaming it as a cut rate board shop might need to look elsewhere to place their hate.
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For you guys who have received your boards, do you have these mystery holes near the loop handle?
They look suspiciously like a misplaced jig partially drilled two extra mounting holes for the handle on mine. One hole looks like it penetrated to the EPS core, the other doesn't go all the way through.
Was wondering if these are somehow purposeful before I seal them up. There are no vents on the board otherwise.
Thanks!
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Has anyone declined a board because of damage while shipping? How does that work?
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jradtke- I got an Email from CEVA letting me know the package was in poor condition. So I called amazon to find out what their standard operating procedures are for orders damaged from shipping. The guy said that you can either reject it from the delivery guy and they send it back to Amazon. From there, they will refund you the amount of the purchase and you'll have an option of being sent a new one. Or you can take the order as is, and they will give you up to 20% off if there is any damage.
I just went and picked up my board and there wasn't and major problems, other then some cosmetic blemishes to the pad, which was a little ripped up from what looked like a fork lift. So, I plan on calling Amazon and to see what they can do. I almost feel bad for asking for a discount for a roughed up pad, considering how much I paid for the board.
Martog- I noticed two small pencil width sized holes like you described behind the handle as well. You can't see it unless you move the handle strap out of the way. Not sure what's up with that.
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To me - they look like "extra" holes that were drilled for handle mounting.
Make sure that they are sealed before putting it in the water. Even on top - where they are - they will take on water.
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It's a bit scary to me that a company would sell a board a defect like that, that isn't readily visible to a buyer, but that could cause so much damage. Plus, it's not like some defects that a manufacturer could have overlooked even with an inspection. The fact the buyers got a good deal (which could have become a less good deal once water was added) doesn't excuse the manufacturer from not disclosing it.
I never could follow this thread in regard to who the seller really was--I guess the manufacturer would be off the hook if this was a reseller situation, where the boards everyone here got were resold by someone to whom the manufacturer did disclose the defect. Even then, though, if I were a manufacturer, I might worry about selling that many defective boards (if several boards have these holes) to someone, since obviously anyone buying several boards would be reselling them. Was that enough speculation for one post? ;D
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Turns out the Surf Tech sales manager was let go a month ago. So probably had nothing to do with the Amazon thing.
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Turns out the Surf Tech sales manager was let go a month ago. So probably had nothing to do with the Amazon thing.
I bet in the end this whole thing gets tied in with Petraeus.
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haolebuilt---I know gorgebob, and happen to know a bit about the background behind his post. When you posted about buying the board, several of us here had a secret meeting and discussed your purchase in detail, and what kind of response was warranted. We split into committees and worked for more than an hour to craft the best response. We voted to have gorgebob come up with the exact language with which to address your particular purchase. Some people here are still pretty upset about the price that you in particular paid. Some words (bad ones that were inappropriate) were exchanged within our own group, and I'm not proud say this, but yes, some self esteems were hurt.
Of course, the alternative explanation could be that it was a comment about human nature in general and not about any particular person, and that the quotes were not meant to indicate something any particular person actually said, and that nobody is unhappy that you or anyone else got a good price. It is possible. ;D
Off the zone for over a week (on a 20th Anniversary trip with the wife) and came back to do some catching up. This thread was one of the more entertaining one's in a while and really fun to read beginning to end--we've got Zoners helping Zoners, people taking umbrage, people clearing up misunderstandings, insiders giving helpful and very generous advice, AND as a free bonus--tips on hiring a housepainter! Amidst all of this, somehow the above chestnut from pdx went unacknowledged and I just can't let that happen. Brilliant, PDX--had me chortling outloud.
For guys like me who have very little expertise to offer in the surfing realm, highjacks are some of the only places I can chime in. With that said, here are my two cents on painting contractors. During a few seasons of life I worked construction and saw several instances where a customer tried to save money by doing the painting themselves. They usually envisioned it as something they could knock out in a weekend and were almost always wrong and regretful. I've got pretty good skills for a homeowner and do most of that stuff myself, but there's a huge difference between what I can accomplish and what a professional painter can do. When it comes to any kind of trade, the last thing I want to see is someone advertising. Most of the good tradespeople I know get most of their business by word of mouth, so I place much higher value on someone I know having used them or one of my friends in the trades know them from jobsite experience. A good rep with customers is important to a contractor, but almost more important is they're reputation with other contractors. They rely on that for jobs down the line. It's very motivating to know that the guy that just hooked you up with work put his own reputation on the line. Do good work and he'll recommend you again.
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A couple of things.....
First, I can't believe Petraus was banging the Surftech guy, too. :o Mike you said Petraus online, now the CIA is going to flag you....crap, I said it, too. Time to go get my foil hat...... 8)
Second, Both of mine came with those extra holes, they don't appear to be blems or faults to me. I had figured them for extra spots for screw inserts, in case the others break or you want to adjust your anchor points. I could be wrong, though. Not sure why else the co would drill two extra holes after the board was done.
Third, The info sticker that came with both of mine claimed that the inner foam itself would not absorb water, regardless of holes or dings. What say you people? Trustworthy technology or marketing hype? It seems pretty opposite to everything I have ever heard about surfboard foam.
Fourth, Ceva, who I had much maligned in my earlier anxiety ridden posts came through both times. A little boo boo on the first, box wasn't even dirty on the second. Customer support kind of sucked compared to what I have to expect from other companies but they got here fine and on time.
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Thanks for the info on the mystery holes guys.
I'm sealing mine up - or maybe sticking a goretex patch over them. I'm not buying the sticker saying EPS doesn't absorb water.
I finally got to paddle my board today in Mission Bay - way less than ideal conditions, but I was loving how fast the board felt compared to my surfy boards and my 11' Uli Steamroller.
The board is a little tippy for me right now but had good secondary stability. So I never fell but had a few balance checks that would throw off my cadence.
All in all. I'm very stoked. Going out again early tomorrow before the wind comes up. Then maybe finish the day with some SUS'ing.
Yea SUP!
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Karma - What comes around goes around.......came home for lunch today and found a new Hyperflex 3/2 AMP K waiting for me....early Xmas gift from a family member and I had no idea it was coming or they even knew I wanted it. (They live about 1500 miles away). Stoked beyond words. I like to think it is a bit of good fortune for trying to pass some positives on to others. Either way, stoke lives. Hope the boards are still rolling in good for you guys.
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I think those holes explain why these boards were being blown out. Those look like factory mistakes to me, some guy drilled the holes for the handles in the wrong spot or something. Should have zero effect on the product if you slap some epoxy and/or a dime size glass patch over them.
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As of last night, the charge was still on my bank account for the board even though my order was cancelled almost a week ago (by Amazon). I know it could take some time to get the charge reversed but I called Amazon just to make sure it was being processed properly. I spoke to a very nice lady who put me on hold for a few minutes. She came back on and said that due to their mistake, they would like to offer me a similar product for the same price. Seemed to me like they messed up the charge reversal and were now trying to make it easier on their end. I said, so you mean you'll give me a board similar to the one that was in the cancelled order? She says yes but it has to be closer to the value that I paid. Well, obviously there are no boards even close to $325 new, maybe a low-end inflatable at best. She said hang on and she will find one that they would authorize.. I wait a few more minutes and then she comes back on and said they can send me a 10'4 Bic ACS, brand new, and it will be here Friday. I said yes. I know, it's a Bic, it's heavy, it's a Bic, and it's a Bic, but now I have a board to keep at my parents beach house without breaking the bank. The way that Amazon handled this entire process seems really bizarre. We'll see now if this board actually shows up. It does show in "My Orders" and has already shipped and is coming via Ceva.
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My downwind board has XPS foam, a vent plug, and quite a few of those pre-drilled holes. My ding repair guy says XPS is heat sensitive. The holes help with off-gassing and also prevent delamination.
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Sorry you've had such a bad time, kayak. Just picked mine up from CRT this morning ( review and pics tonite when I get home) He got 4 shipped. All were mint. He picked them up directly from ceva. The guy that helped him was a fellow surfer, so he treated him right. Can't believe how fast compared to my old 12 Laird. Tippy but fun. Stoked to get out again and master it. THANKS JAKE!!! (and CRT too) Bics are bulletproof.
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for all that thinks their board is tippy, change to a larger & deeper fin! might even track better. could someone post pictures of stock fin? enjoy!!!
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Sure hope Amazon will start putting on races or sup surf events, or sponsoring paddlers, or doing demos, or giving lessons, or help someone strap a board to their roof, or advertising in any of the sup specific magazines, or help to pioneer the sport for that matter - cause if you are selling sup's - those are all things you should be doing!
Easy and Raf and other shop types here... It is hugely frustrating to be undercut by (big boxes and) big electron. Maybe you should invoice Surftech for the after-sales support.
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Bigger fin is what we were thinking after first time out today. Stock is 10in at highest point
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Here's some pics of Bowl and his new board. He's 170#'s and he'll have it 100% dialed in quickly and the "tippyness" won't even be an issue. I gave it try and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be... even at my weight of 240#'s.... It floated me fine but is probably not "ideal" for my weight.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/21/u5uru3um.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/21/anubared.jpg)
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In case you can't tell from the pics.... He's stoked!! He said he shaved off about 15-20% of his normal time "around the island" compared to his Laird 12'1 all around. We're gonna give them a real run on Thursday...we'll keep you updated... (I'll see if I can stay dry)
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That is awesome. What a beautiful place to paddle!
I'm getting into the groove as far a stability goes but out of curiosity, what kind of bigger fins you guys talking about?
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We were curious what my Naish 11.5" DW fin would do to the board....maybe nothing, who knows... We'll let you know once we try it..
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Just getting ready to post my review and pics. You beat me to it! 37F and Glassy! The tippyness mostly went away about half way through my half hour trial run. I'm finding, so far that about 2 to 3 inches back of the center handle is working. You can really trust the secondary. The route I did is my quick lap around an island when I don't have much time. It usually takes about 40 to 50 min on my Laird. I did it in 30 today. Still can't believe it was that fast, and not nearly as tired. I can see what I've been missing without a race/flatwater board. Can't wait for more sessions!
Here's one more, my wife let me keep it in the living room for the night ;D
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you guys are chirping like birds. man..... what a great feeling to be more efficient! you got the bug for sure now
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So after my inaugural paddle, I went back an reread alot of the posts here. I realized that I had not sealed up the extra holes. I will be doing that today, but I wanted to post pics of the holes. They look like pilot holes that may not be all the way through, but why chance it. They are kind of hidden by the handle (I originally thought I had only one) so check your board. I'm going to put some epoxy also in the handle hole to be sure.
In this pic, it's the one on the right
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The one on the left
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Glad "Black Friday" came early for you boys!!!
I want to paddle one when you hit the Cape next spring!
Post your winter paddle pics in "Flatwater" for us to enjoy
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So after my inaugural paddle, I went back an reread alot of the posts here. I realized that I had not sealed up the extra holes. I will be doing that today, but I wanted to post pics of the holes. They look like pilot holes that may not be all the way through, but why chance it. They are kind of hidden by the handle (I originally thought I had only one) so check your board. I'm going to put some epoxy also in the handle hole to be sure.
In this pic, it's the one on the right
(http://i46.tinypic.com/jl045k.jpg)
The one on the left
(http://i50.tinypic.com/34t4wa8.jpg)
They look like screw inserts. Sold to the windsurf industry for installing straps. They work with sheet metal screws. You can confirm this by sticking a needle in the hole and checking for a firm bottom in the hole.
On a SUP, its probably for mounting accessories.
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Yup, firm in all holes. Makes me feel better. Thanks DW
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Well, we discovered that the Glide 11" fin doesn't quite fit in the box so we'll have to wait to do some fin testing. Stay tuned...
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Ok long time lurker here. I just registered to add my two cents to this.
Be careful with those two holes. On my Surftech Bark I have one hole just like that. It is the expansion plug hole. It is threaded. Below the threads is the core. You probably should have received a machined screw with an o-ring to plug it. I would not go in the water without plugging it, And not with epoxy!
The other hole, who knows, call Surftech.
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Glad the deal worked out for those buying this board for personal use. I see some are still sitting out there on Craigslist for $850. Speculation is just that and there could be easier ways to make $400.
Craigslist is great to find all the questionable SUP dealers offering misleading posts toward their website. You are really better off buying from Costco than some of those people or just buy a good second hand board from a private party. At least you know that guy took your money to buy another new board. A healthy second hand market helps support the new product line and keeps companies in business. These discount internet SUP dealers only hurt the industry. Currently in my area the CL sellers are mostly people in it for the fast buck. Sad for the future on SUP :(
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I also wanted to update. It's a long story so I will keep it short.
I ordered the 14 for $639. In a nut shell Amazon could not figure out how to ship it from one of the warehouses in PA. They lost three to UPS who kept taking them even thought they couldn't deliver it. I finally pointed this out to Amazon and they verified that this was true. I was transferred to the large items department. In a company that large I guess it is no different than government. Large Items is based in somewhere in the central US. They could not get the warehouse to communicate with them by phone or email. The warehouse kept getting back to them saying we are trying to figure it out.
At exactly 30 days past the date of my order and getting nowhere, I finally just called it quits. Could I have kept on it? Sure, but I bought it because of the deal and in the end don't really need it. Also, I guess it worked out because I just got a line on a good deal from an individual about a 14 that I really wanted.
Now before people jump on the Amazon and big business let me say this. I often order things from amazon with free super saver shipping and it shows up two days later. The individual from large items kept me in the loop and actually called me back several times to keep me up to date. That said, I will never order anything big from them and really didn't think it would happen when I did place the order.
I bought my first board from a local shop. I have two local shops that I support. Often when I go in they will talk to me for 30 min to an hour. I always buy something after they do just to support them in hopes that they can stay open.
I feel like a lot of people in this thread are trying to guilt people. If I walked by your shop and you had the same sale priced slapped on a board, I would have bought it on the spot. I don't believe the argument that you can't sell it for that price. How long has it been since these board were discontinued? Sometimes shops have to take a loss just to get some money in. Some money is better than no money. You can close the doors with a shop full of boards or you can free up some capital to hopefully fight another day.
I deal a lot in the music business, their margins have to to be worse than SUP margins. It happens all the time.
I mean no harm in what I said above and am just providing another point of view.
Trust me, I understand your plight, I make guitars and furniture. After my time and spirit put into a guitar, I can't come close to the $99 electric that the general public expects.
And by the way, you guys have nothing on how much guitar nuts flip gear! ;D
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Thanks for all the updates and the info on the drilled out holes by the handle. I am dying to get mine out, but it's just too damn cold up here in the Great Lakes region.
BBQ- Sorry to hear about your Amazon experience. Somehow I lucked out and had a smooth delivery through CEVA.
Well said on the guilt trip others are trying to push on those of us who scored a good deal. I have no shame in admitting I posted a craigslist ad to get a "quick buck" (however I do plan on keeping it at this point). In my mind as long as I can make a legal and ethical "quick buck" I see no shame in it. Especially since someone else could have scored a good deal on a new board at that price. I was hoping to get $900, so I could buy an Ocean Rodeo suit at my local SUP shop ;D.
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I can't think of an easier way to make $1,000. I ordered 2, listed both on CL before they arrived. Sold 1, check in hand before the boards arrived, sold the second the day the board arrived. My email and phone was blowing up with people thinking $850 was a great deal. Looks like a win win for everyone, especially me, and that's the most important win.