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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => SUP Gear Reviews / Newly Acquired / On Order => Topic started by: Cardiff Sweeper on November 10, 2012, 06:33:53 AM
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Carbon
Estimated weight 4 lbs
Details as they come in
Sick!
I'm sure they won't be cheap, but probably tough as nails.
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OMG Drool
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Are the carbon Starboards generally tougher than traditional epoxy boards?
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Gulp.
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Pretty cool looking.
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Sorry, but I think those things are ugly as hell.
But to each their own.
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Who cares how they look (I personally think they look awesome) - they are silly light - and as mentioned - tough as heck!
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Support your local shaper. Buy American.
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Kevin, and if someone doesn't live in America? (Like many users of this forum.)
JeanG, most definitely. I don't every worry about dinging or chipping mine.
I heard about SB shortboards over a year ago. They must have done a lot of R&D. I'm guessing the prices will be $800+ for them. Too rich for my blood.
Sean Poynter
(http://markscriver.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/s5a6517.jpg)
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i dig the 80's retro look. would not buy a board i dont think is asthetically pleasing as there is so much competition these days. i bought a board last year that happens to be perfect for my needs and abilitiy AND I really dig the look and color too. this year that same board looks fugly in the 2013 color and I would not spend my $ on something fugly.
that being said these bad boys look sweet i wish i could afford one…
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This might fit in the other thread what prone board would you get to surf when not SUP surfing.
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Similar shapes to last year?
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How much do or will they cost?
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If I had to guess, $800+.
...Lost surfboard company had an all carbon board out years ago, and it was $1,000.
http://markscriver.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/starboards-blog-interview-with-sean-poynter-reveals-new-surfboards/
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Sean's layin down some tracks!
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Are the boards with the carrying handle on the deck supposed to be micro SUP's or regular surfboards? ???
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For those on facebook , here is more to drool over
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=204191943049222&set=a.204191779715905.51812.158473720954378&type=1&permPage=1 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=204191943049222&set=a.204191779715905.51812.158473720954378&type=1&permPage=1)
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They'll win ugly board of 2013 for sure.
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Support your local shaper. Buy American.
I live in the middle of Canada - 1200 km from the nearest ocean - there are NO local shapers.
I will support a company that is supporting the sports!
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They'll win ugly board of 2013 for sure.
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I'll get ahold of Sean when he gets back from Spain. He's sure to have a couple available to at least look at.
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Support your local shaper. Buy American.
I live in the middle of Canada - 1200 km from the nearest ocean - there are NO local shapers.
I will support a company that is supporting the sports!
You could order the boards from an American shaper, then ship them into Canada. But the border patrol people might put some holes in that idea.
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Support your local shaper. Buy American.
I live in the middle of Canada - 1200 km from the nearest ocean - there are NO local shapers.
I will support a company that is supporting the sports!
You could order the boards from an American shaper, then ship them into Canada. But the border patrol people might put some holes in that idea.
I see what you did there!
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so sick , who cares what they look like.
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different strokes for different folks-how cool is it that you can say you just dont like the look of a board now and you want to look at different options!
I cant get over how far all aspects of sup both Surf and Paddling have come in so short a time...
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I could feel twenty again , with those colors .
Oh sh*t, thats who they are targeting .
Ok, I get it , guess I'm a little slow.
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They are definitely interesting looking boards. Not sure how to describe them. Certainly not your standard shortboard. Not fish. Sort of a hybrid of hybrid shapes.
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Are the boards with the carrying handle on the deck supposed to be micro SUP's or regular surfboards? ???
Exactly, that's one of the reasons I think they are ugly, not just the carbon sorta showing thru look , which I've never liked, but they are so wide, so wide that they need handles, wtf? Very soft looking rails also, eventhought I can't see the bottom of the rails to see if they are hard or not, but with what I can see,,,,,,,,, fugly.
They really do look like a cross between a SUB and a proner (in other words, perfect for neither),,,,,,,,,, can't see it, sorry.
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They really do look like a cross between a SUB and a proner (in other words, perfect for neither),,,,,,,,,, can't see it, sorry.
Did you not see the photo of Sean Poynter tearing it up? I say don't knock it until you try it. Personally I think the brushed Carbon with the Green fade is pretty cool looking. I'd buy it.
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I have been reluctant to comment on this as it seems to be in vogue at the moment, but I just don't get the "brushed carbon" look...I have been working with frp and composites since 1966...I find it strange that one would want to "highlight" the fact that they are sanding into woven reinforcement that dictates the strength of a laminate ...not to say that this isn't hidden many other board builders under a slick paint job...but to draw attention to it?
The first time I saw a some what similar look was when Tem Berkstresser was building ultra light windsurfing slalom race boards back in the 80's...don 't know exactly what Tem was using, but it looked like awlgrip 545 white epoxy primer and there were no deep 60 grit scratches in the carbon...no sanding into the carbon laminate...no clear coat to add weight...it was all for go not for show...
I surmise it's a marketing technique today for the most part...allowing the builders to skip the last step of the finish...don't get me wrong...if the guys building the boards were paid what they are really worth the better boards would be a bargain at twice the price.
These boards may hold up well and be "strong", but that being said...the closer you can minimize sanding into the cloth, the closer it will get to being optimal strength.
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Hey, how come this post is about surfboards when this is a SUP forum?
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The Starboard "brushed carbon" look is the end result of taking a full carbon board - - painting it a lighter color so the black of the carbon won't be as affected by the sun - - and then sanding off as much paint as possible to lighten the board. Starboard has been doing it for a long time with its sailboards.
Personally - I like the look.
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My SB Pro carbon could be puke-colored, and I'd still love it. It's the most fun, durable board I've ever owned. Yeah, yeah, I sound like a kool-aid drinking fanboy. I've been through eight stand-ups, and found the company that fits my wallet and riding style.
I have nothing against custom boards (had two of them), but the durability just wasn't there. Although Wardog's acid washed carbon Sups look killer! Now Starboard is taking a chance at really expensive carbon surfboards. They'll either sell or not. I applaud them for taking a chance.
:)
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I'm wondering just how much of a weight savings comes from sanding some of the paint off. A good pound or so in these lighter boards can usually be felt more so than in a heavier board. I guess its the percentage of reduction that is being felt. I'm okay with the look if it upgrades the performance and fun factor. I just don't really see anyone intentionally having their car painted with that look.
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^^^ on a Starboard Big Easy (12'0" x 32") almost 2 lbs of paint is sanded off.
May not seem like much - but when the board in carbon is just over 20 lbs - that's 10%.
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So it might be safe to say that its somewhere around a pound of paint that is sanded off on the much shorter SUPs. I'm thinking that I would probably notice this 1 lb drop on a 12 pounder more so than a 2 lb drop on a 20 pounder.
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SUPflorida,
Seeing that construction in person, I think they are not really sanding into the lam. Its a full on fill coat.
I think they add, just enough white to reduce heat, while still showing off the carbon for marketing purposes. Otherwise it's harder to sell at that high price.
There is some technology in the way it's sanded that is hard to figure out. Some custom machinery or tooling must be involved. You can look at the attempted copies of that finish coming from the guy in the Pacific Northwest, and see it can't be duplicated just adding pigment or micro balloons to the sanding coat.
I'd love to know the tricks behind it.
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The new lineup unveils today in Spain.
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New stand-up boards in action!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wc-sRHhixU&sns=em
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Great video! Thanks for posting.
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http://youtu.be/vXhcpQ7_Xgo
Review
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That's no review, just a sales pitch...
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Ok.
Sales pitch.
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Supping on a 5'4"!
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(Sorry for the low resolution)
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i think Dan is confused, he claims the brushed carbon board he is holding has a PVC core, this contradicts Starboards own diagram in the catalog that shows the brushed carbon boards have a EPS core with a pvc sandwich. not saying that is a bad thing, sandwich construction is typically pretty bomber. but that statement about pvc core is inaccurate.
and that photo of the 5'4" is straight up ridiculous! :D
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durability test:
Starboard Shortboard Strength Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDmEcG-TemM#ws)
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Nice.
Check this out too. Go to 5:00.
Pinkbike Visits The Santa Cruz Test Lab Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xreZdUBqpJs#ws)
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Supping on a 5'4"!
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(Sorry for the low resolution)
Wondering how much Vanina weighs
I think I can go for a 6'6
Cardiff's Carbon 7'7 floats me with plenty of room to spare
Have to look into the differences since she is riding and actual surfboard not a shrunken SUP but it would be a much cheaper option!
This is where being small pays off!!
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She probably weights 85 pounds but that would be so cool to ride a little board instead of the big ass 9'-6" thing I'm schlepping around in the surf, and especially considering I was never into surfing longboards anyway. I really want one of those sup sims so at least I could drop down to about 8'.
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PVC sandwich with carbon is way strong and light. Over 20 years ago I had a 10 lb. sailboard around 80 liters that had the lightweight EPS core, PVC sandwich with some carbon construction. The shape was all about speed and the thing would just haul ass and sky the jumps on the Columbia. It never snapped but it eventually got soft under the heels. That board was so hard on the body that I could hardly walk the next morning.
Rode some glass boards(Clark foam/polyester resin) soon again afterwards, but now they felt heavy and they didn't last very long. The good thing was that the body wasn't getting worn down. I moved on soon to full kevlar, direct-sized S glass and epoxy over Clark foam with a PVC sandwich bottom. The weight dropped a touch but the durabilty had gone crazy on all levels. I could toss the board out of the truck and onto the pavement and then drag it on over to the grass where the sail was with no worries.
Board constructions have evolved even more now. Some things haven't changed as much. Smaller boards still rock when the conditions are on. A lightweight board is also addicting. I really don't need a board to endure a full toss onto the pavement anymore. It just needs to endure all the regular stuff nicely and still have that smooth ride tuned in.
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Thick beaks on all those boards.
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Anyone know what type of pad Vanina chopped up to put on that board? Looks similar to what Zane Schweitzer had on his board in one of these videos. Looks cool. Think I could just chop up an X-Trac to do something like that?
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Yes, or any kind of pad. That's a common setup on the islands, from what I've seen.
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I got ahold of one to demo. A tad small for me, but it might float well. Its ridiculously light, 4.5 lbs.
Wax is needed, just like a normal board.
5'7" x 19 1/4 x 2 3/8
20 liters
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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Dec%20and%20Jan/5D4CB266-3443-4DD9-8C32-B48F15322D19-2957-00000321F30076B7.jpg)
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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Dec%20and%20Jan/16CDB95E-D7CE-41F0-9EA8-23AABAB2BA36-2957-000003221FC98349.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/kf6vgz/Dec%20and%20Jan/0F9174B2-A071-4E51-9A39-8226E2F978C3-2957-000003228A4D7B24.jpg)
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Has anyone noticed what kind of paddle Vanina is using on the picture above? looks like the blade/shaft connection point is lowered on the blade.
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I know that this is a dumb question... but what do surfboards normally weigh? Never put one on a scale.
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I know that this is a dumb question... but what do surfboards normally weigh? Never put one on a scale.
My short board is 11lbs w pad and fins. 6'8x22"x3"
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My 10-0 x 24" wide 3-5/8" thick triple redwood stringer Dewey Weber stylist weighs in at a manly 25 pounds, making my sup a joy to schlep around. I pity the fool unlucky enough to have that plank slap them across the melon. I love that board so much.
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=9BQM4X9coRg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9BQM4X9coRg
I also have the 2014 catalog in .pdf format. Private Message me your email address if you'd like to see it. Progressive new designs on the way!
(Same link as above, if that doesn't work)
http://youtu.be/9BQM4X9coRg
(And just a reminder: I am in no way affiliated with this company. Other than being a customer. :) )
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CS, Is the "active carbon stringer" going be in the sup model too or just the surfboard for now?
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Yup, light is totally happening. Who is that person in your avatar photo? He looks familiar...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=9BQM4X9coRg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9BQM4X9coRg (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=9BQM4X9coRg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9BQM4X9coRg)
I also have the 2014 catalog in .pdf format. Private Message me your email address if you'd like to see it. Progressive new designs on the way!
(Same link as above, if that doesn't work)
http://youtu.be/9BQM4X9coRg (http://youtu.be/9BQM4X9coRg)
(And just a reminder: I am in no way affiliated with this company. Other than being a customer. :) )
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That video needs more paddles!
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I'm just about to get two of these boards.
I'm getting a 5'10 x 20 3/4" and a 5'4 x 22 1/2", both at 33 lts.
They should arrive in one or two weeks and I'll tell you how they go.
I've swap boards before to see how the 5'10 would float me but no surfing.
I'll give you guys some feedback later!
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Airush kiteboards (A sister company of SB) are made the same way and have been around for a few years. Rode the Airush Choptop as a regular surfboard over a year ago and that thing was fun. I never even kited it but it was so much fun insanely lite, and very durable. The only downside to it was the $1200 price tag, glad someone else bought it and let me ride it. If these new SB surf sticks are anything like the Airush ones it is almost justifiable to buy one.
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i have the 5'10 it surfs great. i love fishes and like this one as its so light it seems glued to your feet.
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The new SB Longboards look REALLY cool too! might be tempted tp do some "crawling" in 2014
JimK
www.extremewindsurfing (http://www.extremewindsurfing)