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Title: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 21, 2011, 07:33:46 PM
Just thought I'd get this started.  Spring is off to a smokin start and this is when many paddlers start focusing on a Maliko run.  If you're visiting Maui and want to coordinate for rides.. check in here.  I often work at Kanaha beach until 12 noon and then I'm bolting home in Paia to get my board for the afternoon launch.  Kanaha is a great 3/4 run destination to work your way up to going all the way to the harbor and if you let me know ahead of time and I don't have boards on my truck, I'll give you a lift.  Kelly's shuttle has been filling up with OC1s so unless you book a day ahead or so the harbor run is up to your own shuttle plans with at least two trucks with racks needed in the process.  Watch out for rocks just under the surface when you launch at Maliko at low tide, share your cell numbers with your partners, pack water, ask questions and look out for each other while you have fun. 
Aloha Bill
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 21, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
Good plan, and happy Vernal Equinox. I was going to go today, but somehow didn't. Diane offered to shuttle, but after a nice lunch at Haile Maile I didn't feel much like making that effort. Had to go up and see my board, even if Mark won't let me set hands on it until Friday. He doesn't trust me to let it cure.

It's glorious.

I'm going to sell my F18 and the Penetrator. Cheap. Both beat to shit and heavy, but still fine boards. The Penetrator is wicked fast in flatwater and crazy fun in small swells--longest swellrides I've ever had. Sometimes you have to jump off to stop it. Got bent at Spartans but was repaired at SIC. Carbon rails and a glass deck and bottom. If you've got the beans to paddle it you can make it fly. Modified SIC rudder.

My F18 is a planing hull version, rock solid in the big stuff. Many, many Maliko runs. Been repaired a few times. Semi-hollow (hollow carbon fiber core wrapped with foam to make a custom width and glassed. Rode hard and put away wet.

Details in Classified, sooner or later, or just PM me if you're interested.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 22, 2011, 12:14:40 AM
HM had an important piece of advice in a previous thread that I'd like to second here.  If you are a first timer, please take a guide.  There are many places to land on a maliko run.  The two most common are upper Kanaha and the harbor.  Upper kanaha is about 7 miles and crosses the reef. I've put small red lines that are a rough estimate (It's been over a year for me) and it can be dangerous.  The white dot on my red line was pitching today.  Please be careful crossing this reef, particularly at low tide. 

The box marked 'Big Trees' is the defining landmark you will see far down the coast from maliko. 

If you are headed to the harbor, a big crane is your landmark.  Again, go with someone.  Fighting an offshore wind to get in or bouncing along the wall is not fun.  A good line will surf you right into the entrance.   

Todays run was a blast.  Direction was ENE, steady 20 gusting to 30.  Good bumps until Spreks, then it was very good bumps.  They seemed very groomed today.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-21.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 22, 2011, 10:58:13 AM
As summer closes in and paddlers are feeling their oats you will hear them mention their times to where ever they're going.  Times go like this.  If you catch 100 glides and I catch 75 you probably come in ahead of me by 750 yds. because from what I've seen a small glide shoots you ahead about 15 yds from someone who hasn't bagged that same glide when you were right next to them.  That's a first down and a great start.  I figure roughly that glides average about 30 yds, the number I times by the 25 glide difference to arrive at 750.  Now of course some paddlers can stay on glide for over a minute by connecting glides so that they become one huge one.  On these glides they can be going over 10 mph in spots but the average  speed (with glides and a few non gliding gaps between glides) is probably closer to 8.5 to 9.5mph as evidenced by the fastest SUP times to the harbor.  OC1s are faster still averaging over 10mph.  At 10mph a paddler travels a mile in 6min.  That's real fast.  My average is around 7.5 mph sometimes  taste higher and many top tier paddlers blow by me.  But that's OK.  I know they're fighting tooth and nail not to miss any glides.  I know I have moments of fatigue where I miss three or four good ones before connecting.  So that's the difference.  Conditioning, time on the water, and most importantly keeping the board pointed correctly to catch the glide.  Remember one glide is worth a 100 strokes. (who knows?  I just made that up like a little haiku to inspire me)  When the good guys blow by, take advantage to check their line and maybe their stroke.  They usually know where they're going.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 22, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
Great advice both of you. I've never been here over the summer, but there's a world of difference between winter Maliko and Spring Maliko. I stay way the heck outside all winter and generally come in through the harbor. I never come up short reaching the breakwall for the simple reason that I did it once and REALLY didn't like the result. outside is your friend.

In the spring it's a lot more user friendly. Right now I'm looking at monster whitecaps and there no way I'm missing out today (I did yesterday). But there's no groundswell to speak of, which means if you get a little too close to the reefs you won't suddenly find yourself looking at a 30' plus breaking wave barreling down on you from the side. "Oh Shit" doesn't really cover that experience.

A guide is a near must-have for the first time. Obviously people have done it without, but it isn't wise. Unless your guide is really kind and attentive (perhaps being hired for the occasion) they are unlikely to stay close, but at least they can show you the ropes. The difference between someone that has done the gulch ten times and a newby is pretty extreme--they'll have to wait a lot.

There are more places to come in than the three red lines. I've come in at Sugar Cove. Not too bad a landing spot though it runs you kind of close to the infamous Spartan Reef. There are several paths that bring you behind upper Kanaha. You can see them on the map. They look a lot sketchier in real life than on the photo because it looks like you are headed into a box of reefs and waves. You are, but it's not bad.

Larry's white dot is the infamous unnamed upper, upper, upper kanaha wave. I got to enjoy that underwater for quite a long time once. You do dump out into a channel, but it can take a lot longer to get there than you'd like and your board might be a two piece.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paddledaddy on March 22, 2011, 11:58:05 AM
Hey Headmount:
Just want to let you know that your advice and offer did not fall on deaf ears among the uninitiated like me. I don't know when I'll be there next but I know I'll be back to Maui and wanting to have a go at a Maliko run. I would really appreciate the help when I do make the effort.
Best,
PaddleDaddy
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: joeag on March 22, 2011, 09:18:05 PM

you won't suddenly find yourself looking at a 30' plus breaking wave barreling down on you from the side. "Oh Shit" doesn't really cover that experience.


That's classic  ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on March 22, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
Made my weekend runs. Saturday to kanaha and sunday to the harbor. The wind that made the run to the harbor so fast and fun was killing me once inside. Nearly blew me off the board as I was headed for shore, but I refused to knee it in. Built me some character  ;)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 22, 2011, 11:09:12 PM
Good on ya 808.  A stong east inside the harbor entrance is a battle.  Just pretend it's dark, you have 15 hours on the clock - 5 to go - and Laird is in sight.   :) 

Big fun today.  Wind was east and very strong at the beginning of the run.  I did my usual upwind warmup/race avoidance route.  Heading upwind was slow going. Rollers were the biggest, steepest I've seen yet.  Turned around and enjoyed minimal paddling to get on superior glides.  Almost paddling optional conditions.  Relaxed and took big lefts to stay inside, hoping for another ripper across Kanaha.  

As I approached camp one (just before kanaha) the wind let up.  It got glassy as I gazed longingly at my route straight ahead.  Big east swells were still rolling.  Unfortunately, without the wind I could not chance yesterday's route.  The peaks were pitching from right to left.  With a strong tailwind you can go straight across and zig zag across the swell.  20-30 mph wind sets up great chop that oc-1's easily negotiate.  Without the wind I find it too risky.  Foam on a peak is ok if your speed is up.  Without hull speed, an oc-1 can spin and take serious gas.

Crestfallen, I took a right and paddled out to be safe.  The wind picked up and allowed me to surf left again.  Smooth very fast sailing into the harbor.  Super, super fun.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-22.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 22, 2011, 11:19:15 PM
Fun run today, not the nukefest I expected from looking at the whitecaps from Ponohouse, but good. The first third I thought I was loosing it. I couldn't gain speed, couldn't stay in swells when I got them, and couldn't turn. A couple of times my board just kept rounding up like a displacement hull in the big waves, and turned completely out of one. I finally noticed that my leash was coming from the side of the board, not the rear. Jumped off and found my coil leash jammed under the edge of the rudder. Curses.

Pulled it loose and suddenly I was on Pegasus. My big goofy F18 is so great in these confused days with lots of wind and big, medium and small swells all going in different directions. First it's stable, so you can hang out and figure out WTF is happening, then you can catch the little guys, transfer nicely to a middle guy, ride that into a big guy and then run back on the tail and just hang on.

Got some big rides today, including one that looked like two stories with a break in the middle. The top swell dropped about fifteen feet, then there was a big flat spot, and then another swell that dropped another ten feet. I went all the way to the bottom on the first drop, then drifted up while I was going right, then turned more or less straight on with a little left and went back to the bottom again. While I was down in the bottom the upper and lower sections aligned and the whole wave fell into the trough. I pulled out just in time.

I felt like Neptune, GOD of wind and wave. I really shouldn't have wine with lunch before a downwinder.

considered an inside line, but the wind looked better outside

(http://www.xgeez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/maliko.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Six Feet and Glassy on March 22, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
"So far as drinking is concerned, you have my hearty approval; for wine does of a truth moisten the soul and lull our griefs to sleep....[and with small cups] we shall ...be brought by its gentle persuasion to a more sportive mood."
     Xenophon, quoting Socrates
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 22, 2011, 11:52:10 PM
And as you can see when you combine these open ocean experiences with well read paddlers like the men above, some wine, and my god you've got poetry. 

Very seldom is a run smokin from A to Z.  You grab moments... of acceleration and groove wherever you can on stretches that pump.  When I'm not racing I let up when it lulls so I have power to utilize the bursts when they return and I always save a little in reserve for the unknown like what 808 described inside the harbor.  Two days ago with the cruise ship docked it was a nightmare for me after an epic run.  I missed today and thought it looked like funk and squalls from shore but you guys had good runs.  Just goes to show how you don't know until you're out there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Kissa on March 23, 2011, 07:35:26 PM
I am feeling like an old technophobe here but can someone tell me how a adjust the screen such that the words don't run off to the left. There is no horizontal scroll bar?!?! I note that this does not seem to happen with the other Forum Topics - just the Gulch Report. I am coming over in July  ;D so am keen to see what it is all about. Cheers Dave
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 23, 2011, 10:01:38 PM
Hey PB did your GPS work today?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 23, 2011, 11:07:25 PM
I am feeling like an old technophobe here but can someone tell me how a adjust the screen such that the words don't run off to the left. There is no horizontal scroll bar?!?! I note that this does not seem to happen with the other Forum Topics - just the Gulch Report. I am coming over in July  ;D so am keen to see what it is all about. Cheers Dave

there should be a scroll bar at the bottom of your browser screen. It's my fault for posting such a big picture. I'd fix it if I could, but the time for modifying a post has passed.

Bill--yeah, the GPS worked but I'd need to edit it a lot to post it. It's kind of screwed up. I did hit 15.8 MPH today, so there's that. Sure was howling today, and it was cookin' in the bay behind my house at 5:30.

We wuz flying.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Rastaman3030 on March 23, 2011, 11:17:30 PM
Going to be doing the Maliko race this Saturday, fortunately got a hold of a 15' downwind board for race day  8)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 24, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
Had a wonderful look at 3 whales basking just outside maliko.  They held their ground as we passed around them.  Looked like 2 big adults and a young one.  It was sorta windy - the only pic is of the baby.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-24.jpg)

Last year was an all time whale-o-rama.  This year has been slim pickings so far.

Today's conditions were excellent.  Fetch was very long, perfect east rollers.  It's been a great week. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-24-1.jpg)

Wind may drop a bit for Saturday's maliko race.  The turnout may be big.  Slater and Dave are out of town (I think) so it's probably Livio vs. Connor and Jeremy.  Scott Trudon has been around, hope he races.  Andrea and Devon have been practicing too.  I'm hoping some of the elite oc-1's do maliko.  They do amazing runs when the wind is up. 
     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 24, 2011, 11:47:34 PM
Great pics of the whale Larry.  Seems to me like there has been quite a few this year.  Another smoker today, a few crossed up sections but only a mile at most.  The end section was hall of fame and I caught a wave inside the harbor with Biggie on his OC1 and it took us all the way to the beach.  I got pulled the whole way by some heavy hitters and had one of my fastest runs.  PB, got to work all day tomorrow so I'm out of the mix.  A day like today where I put the hammer down the whole way ... I need a rest anyway even if I didn't have to work.  Want to rest up to see if my day opens for the race on saturday.  You racing?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 25, 2011, 12:02:06 AM
That "baby" almost got me. Did a breach with a twist onto it's back coming straight at me, missed me by a few feet. scared the crap out of me. He came so close I could smell him when he hit. Not a good scent (no, it wasn't me). Then Momma rolled right next to me and gave me an eye. Sort of seemed like she was apologizing "sorry about junior, he's a little exuberant".

the outer outer upper Kanaha wave DID get me. I thought I was well past it but I heard a rumble behind me, looked over my shoulder and there was a wall of whitewater. Spun my board 180 and tossed me in the air. When I landed my leash pulled hard once and then went slack. Thought I was in for a swim, but I was still hooked up.

THEN a lady in an OC-1 almost got me 100 yards from the harbor. I looked down at my knee and saw "Scorpius". Startling. Seems to be a thing. First Suzie Cooney nearly runs me down a couple of days ago, now this. Obviously target fixation. In racing they say if you fix on the biggest, scariest thing you'll hit it. I guess my ass works for big and scary.

Good day though, pretty fast. I didn't have any superfast sections like yesterday (15.8 mph max) but I did get one 13.4 peak. 1:31 to the beach. Not so bad for a geezer. Of course that showoff Boyum did a 1:07 or something. He was showered, in dry clothes and had his board loaded by the time I hit the parking lot. Sheesh.

And yes, I plan to race Saturday. Picking up my Bullet tomorrow. We'll see if I can learn to handle it well enough in one run to race a day later. I might be on ol' reliable. It may be heavy, but it's stable. And yes, Slater, Dave and Conner are in Indo on a surf trip.

(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mal1.jpg)

(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mal2.jpg)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 25, 2011, 09:49:59 PM
Well today Friday was supposed to be a break for me.  Work, tired... all the excuses.  Work disappeared for the afternoon, the wind cranked and I caved in to my unsatisfiable addiction to high wind downwind paddleboarding.  Called PB no answer but when I dropped my truck off at the harbor, his was already there.  Got a 1:15 launch and the top end was all glides.  A little mixed up at the usual spot at the peak of uppers but then it suddenly got good again to harbor.  Thought I was getting tired and losing focus for a stretch but then a second wind kicked in for a great finish.  So jacked that by the time I got back up the coast, I convinced my pal Robert to drop me for a second run with a 4PM launch ... only to Kanaha.  Wind was a notch stronger the second run (the highest reading was at 5PM!)... just blistering out there.  It seemed like steering strokes was all that was needed with the blade  often in the water like an ama.    Had one moment the board was all the way over on the edge dropping in and managed to stay on it.  So whipped at the end.  17 miles of high velocity smoke.  Just couldn't let a day like this go by.  Went to Mana Foods and broke down.  Bought a loaf of sour dough and had three thick slices and it was good.  Might be crippled tomorrow.   Race tomorrow?  I don't know about an 11 am start. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 25, 2011, 09:56:46 PM
Alright PB! You got the Bullet it's initiation today?  Or rather you were initiated?  Musta been a thrill.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 25, 2011, 10:20:57 PM
Sounds like a great day HM, good on ya for grabbing it. 

Race tomorrow?  I don't know about an 11 am start. 

From the MCKC website:

Meeting Time: 9:30 - 9:40 AM: Long course
                    11:15 - 11:30 AM: Short course
 
Race Start Time: 10:00 AM: Long course
                        12:00 PM (or once long course guys start coming through)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 26, 2011, 07:14:10 AM
I fell a lot. Probably ten times or more. the board is light and fast though it's hard to be really fast when you're underwater. Went with Justin Gordon. Nice guy. Didn't call you because you said you were NOT going. Junkie. Me too.

Great conditions. I realize how much I've been relying on the extreme stability of my F18. I sold it to BeagleBuddy on Kuai, which is a good thing, otherwise I'd never stop using it on rough days. Time to take off the training wheels and get used to a trickier ride. The bullet sure is nice and light.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 26, 2011, 08:08:45 PM
Ouch, ouch, ow. Crazy conditions today. Would have been great fun on ol' reliable, but I beat the crap out of myself on the Bullet. I need a normal day or two to learn the board before I step into the Maelstrom. I suspect the wind was hitting 45 and the swells around camp one were huge and confused. I can live with huge, I can live with confused. But huge AND confused was a bit much. At one point I was flying down a  monster face and saw swells going in three directions across it. I deliberately left the F18 home so I wouldn't chicken out.

About 30 minutes in I stepped back awkwardly to list the nose over a blocking swell and twisted my knee. My left knee has been giving me fits to begin with, so this didn't help. Then I started falling more because I was favoring my left leg. I came in bloody from board scrapes and limping.

A well, bugger sure is fast. I just need to learn to hang on.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on March 26, 2011, 08:41:25 PM
Pics of your new board please Bill.

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 26, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
Sorry to hear your run was less than ideal PB, hope your knee mends quickly.  Good on ya for going out today. 

The wind was truly exceptional for today's race.  ENE with a fetch of 2000 miles.  Probably the strongest, steadiest wind we've had in weeks. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/nsc3-26-1.jpg)

This was my first run on the long course.  My plan was to go easy the first hour, stay out, and be safe.  We started at 10:30.  I did my best to run the ridge of the big ones coming from the right.  The foam got me a few times and blasted me right out of my seat.  Nothing spectacular - just a quick out and in.  After an hour or so it was time to eye the big point, swing left and start the run to Kahului. 

With another 18 miles to go, I decided to go easy until maliko.  It was thrilling to be in unknown water, catching big glides.  It seemed bigger than anything I've yet experienced.  Some of them seemed dangerous - probably because I was unfamiliar with them.  So I played it safe, ate, drank a lot. 

My confidence was up as I hit familiar water.  The wind was going ape.  At ENE it's important to stay on course - hit the big lefts  -or get blown out to sea.  I began to overtake the slower SUP's at about the airport.  The safety guy (on a ski) was doing a great job zipping around and eyeing us as we dealt with very large swells.  As my line shows, I was way out there. 

At the white dot I heard screaming off to my right.  It was an SUP'er that had lost his board.  He was at least a hundred yards out from me, it's a miracle I heard him.  Thank God the safety guy was within sight of me.  It took a few minutes of paddle waving - and yelling -  but he saw me and dashed over.  When I mentioned it to Jeremy after the race he told me he saw a 15 footer about 3 miles out... 

 
 
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/nsc3-26.jpg)
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Rastaman3030 on March 26, 2011, 10:22:07 PM
Great event put on today by the Maui Canoe Kayak Club - it was my first Maliko Run and I had an absolute blast...and a few wipeouts  ;D I imagined the run having big windswell, but it was HUGE out there. Got the glides of a lifetime and finished in 1-hour 32

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/Rastaman3030/DSC02383.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/Rastaman3030/DSC02375.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/Rastaman3030/DSC02408.jpg)

Thanks to MCKC, the event was first class all the way!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 27, 2011, 11:24:58 AM
You crazy buggah Rastaman, you're supposed to have experience in Maliko before MCKC lets you run! They must have forgotten to ask, or just figured you'd be crazy to go out in those conditions without experience.

Good meeting you, glad you had fun. You might want to go again today, looks like it will be good. See you back in the NW

I stopped on course to capture a runaway boat. When I paddled over to grab it I didn't know whether it might have a body under it--it was barely moving. I waved my paddle to get the attention of the ski guy--he already had the lady on his sled.

Here's an article about my new Bullet: http://www.kenalu.com/2011/03/new-kevlar-bullet/ (http://www.kenalu.com/2011/03/new-kevlar-bullet/?t=New+Kevlar+Bullet)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 27, 2011, 12:40:14 PM
Here is a shot up the coast from the Keanae boat ramp.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/keanai3-26.jpg)

My little waterproof camera is barely up to the task of capturing such beauty and it was a little overcast.  Here's a better pic of the hana coast on another day.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/hanaroad.jpg)

What an amazing experience that was.  We all registered at Honomanu, then some of us went to Keanae to launch.  The ramp is busted and has a sheer dropoff near the waters edge.  Two of us teamed up and carefully carried each boat out and tossed it in the water as the paddler jumped in and swam to the boat.  I had my felt reef shoes on, so I went last.  In she went and it was off to the start line.  It's probably best I didn't get there in time.  This course is twice as long as any I've raced yet, so chasing stonger paddlers was not a good idea.  I settled in for the scenic route and marveled at the coastline.  Absolutely surreal out there by yourself.  Massive waves.  Great experience.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 27, 2011, 04:52:33 PM
Yeah, the only bad part is NO PLACE TO COME IN!  Yeah, I know, safe places to exit a regular Maliko are pretty thin when there's a north swell, but there's a lot of sheer cliffs. My neighbors kid lost his board on a Honomanu run and had to swim in, then crawl up the base rubble, then climb a cliff, then bushwack a mile or so to get to a road. It's a lonesome place. Good to go with support boats.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 27, 2011, 05:43:18 PM
Talked to some of the OC1 paddlers who reported massive triple staircase drops outside Pauwela light.  One said he was ejected after dropping into the biggest he's ever experienced and this guy is a top tier paddler.  Sounded intense.  He described the conditions up to Maliko from Keanae similar to icy windblown crust for skiing and then turning to perfect groom from Maliko to the harbor.  But some of the stand up paddlers described the Maliko to the harbor run as confused.   Sounds like the OC1 was the craft to have yesterday.   Great pics Larry.  What's the mileage from Keanae to the harbor? 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 27, 2011, 10:02:31 PM
The run is 25 miles.  I heard second-hand that Kai won yesterday - over Jimmy Austin - with a time of 2:20.  That's an average speed of 10.7 mph.  I was about an hour behind them at 7.9 mph.  I had 6 miles to go when they finished.  

Holy crap, for an elite paddler to say he got ejected on the biggest drop he's done is a big deal.  Those guys get into some heavy waves.   

IMO, the stories the elite oc paddlers have are the best part of Kelly's shuttle.  The story Dave K. has about chasing (and catching) Laird is a mind bender for sure.  But it's the tip of the iceberg when guys like Kai start talking.
  
Sol was telling us on yesterday's shuttle that he chatted with Kai and some teamates at Makena landing last week  They had just done a run from Kaupo.  Sol said some of them had 'big eyes' and said it was big out on the alenuihaha channel.  

Truly an awe inspiring sport.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 28, 2011, 01:11:15 AM
Triple staircase!! perfect. that's the term I've been looking for to describe those swells. I wonder what makes them look like that. Is it swells stacking on swells? A drop of about ten feet, then a flat, then another drop, and sometimes a third. Looks like a cut in the ocean, not a swell. I love those things. Those and the long textured slopes that go down and down. I don't have words for most of this stuff.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: CMC on March 28, 2011, 03:58:16 PM
If you want to see some epic Hawaiian OC footage check this out.

It is footage of the Pa'a Eono Hoe Open 6 man iron race.  HUGE Molokai channel and bump riding.  It also has a great story on the Napoleans, OC1 Maliko Race, SUP surfing.

This is a great show, those of you in Hawaii do you get to watch this show on TV?

http://www.oc16.tv/shows/31 (http://www.oc16.tv/shows/31)    Click on episode 32 to watch the episode.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 28, 2011, 10:36:56 PM
I picked up the staircase term when I was up in BC snowboarding with maniacs.

Well today I did a run with PB on his new Bullet for his third run on the board.  It was much more organized than the last several daz.  P Bill left the ramp just ahead of me on my 16.  We get out and turn downwind and Bill just starts connecting like nobody's business.  I can't seem to buy a glide in that initial stretch outside of the gulch and every time I glance at Bill, he's in his crouch, not paddling and going fast.    I start hammering and I get close but can't really pass him.  Now, I knew he was on a heavy board before and that was slowing him down, but I could never imagine what a difference this new board would make for him.  It was really astounding.  Although the conditions were perfect for the Bullet,  I saw the carnage of leg cuts and swollen knee from his first two runs and had my fingers crossed for him but today's third time was a charm.  He was pretty damn happy and I'm pretty excited to get my hands on mine in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 30, 2011, 09:16:52 AM
Yesterday was another smokin day.  This has been quite a roll of epic conditions.  Usually these very strong wind events last only a few days but this has been two weeks solid since the tsunami.   I went with PBill and we switched boards about mid-way so I could take a spin on his Bullet.  I had used it before but in much lighter winds and was wondering how it would behave in the strong stuff.  PBill's ability on it was improving remarkably day by day so I was keen to give it another go.  It's slated as a lighter wind board so it was nice to compare it with my Chinese 16 I got last July.  When I first got on the Bullet after my 16, I immediately noticed the difference in stability.  In light water, no problem but in heavy seas I got up tentatively like the geezer I am.  Knew my salvation would be getting the blade in the water and when I did the board took off immediately.  Scary immediately.  Hold on to your hat kind.  All the smaller glides that I catch with the 16 were just as easy but I was also able to run down the big east rolls straight on without having to catch smaller ones to get up to speed to bag them.  My 16 catches the big rolls only after a series of sideways connections then kick the rudder off straight downwind to take the big drop... like testing the middle with a bunch of short passes before the QB goes long.  With the Bullet you can go long like Mike Vick on the first play.  However the rudder is more sensitive than my 16 and quick footwork is necessary on the steep drops.  Wide sloppy troughs were heaven but short steep ones were where I missed the 16.  On strong wind days like yesterday you get both.  The Bullet railroaded a few bumps for me and seemed like it had a higher top end or maybe it seemed that way because of the length.  The board was certainly going way faster than when I took video of it riding small waves in the harbor last Feb.  I was pleased overall with its high wind capabilities.  Couldn't look around and sightsee like I can on the 16 but as a Mister Toad's wild ride it was fast and fun.  Unfortunately I think this high wind event is nearing the end.  A late season very large groundswell is starting to pound on the outside reef and the focus will shift back to wave riding until the next high moves into place.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 30, 2011, 10:11:09 AM
That was one fine run. I sure love this Bullet, though it's a handful, as my beat up shins attest. When it shakes me off it does it with a little quick side to side movement that leaves me standing in midair about five inches to the side of the board. instead of falling flat I go straight down and a few times have managed to whack my shins on the rails on the way down. But I'm getting the beast tamed, and it's SUCH a great ride. As long as I don't get MRSA in the harbor I'm fine with the price for all that fun.

I had fun when I switched to your F16 too, but it was a lot of work to try to catch up. After we switched again at Kanaha I started picking daisies and thinking about my hacked websites and you got a bit away from me. I bore down and seemed to be catching you, when you hit the big waves leading into the harbor and disappeared like the roadrunner--you just got small suddenly.

On a positive note i figured out how to kill the hack. At least temporarily while I clean the whole site up. Again.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: enden on March 30, 2011, 11:02:52 PM
Rastaman3030, is that your Starboard? How do you like it? Does it glide good and catch the bumps easy?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Takeo on March 31, 2011, 12:08:22 AM
Bill and Bill,
I picked up a carbon Bullet a few weeks ago and my experiences are just as you both described them.  In comparison to the V2, the Bullet is stable in flat water, but take it out in 7-10 ft swells or bigger and you quickly feel the stability difference.  With the increase in tippiness however, you now have a board that glides on swells that may not be totally to your back, in fact on small swell days, do it right and you can keep the speed up.  It catches the little stuff that the V2 may not.

The rails of the Bullet can be sharp where the two pieces come together.  I've seen a few scraped and bloodied shins.   Getting pitched off the Bullet is not as graceful but I'm assuming once you tame the beast, she'll be one hell of a ride!


Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on April 02, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
It was hardly smokin today, however I really had fun. The wind was around 15 or so and steady. Lots of runners....Didn't have to grind inside the harbor like last week. I suspect it would have been a perfect day if you were on one of those bullets.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 02, 2011, 10:54:48 PM
Yeah, I made the mistake of telling Diane I'd do a beach day because the wind looked light at the house. got to Maliko and it looked pretty good, so I pulled over and called Bill Boyum who was sounding equally antsy about some commitments he had. Went to the southside to combine a little downwind with some beach bobbing with the wife. The wind sucked. The angle sucked. Grumpy guy, though I paddled the Bullet from the boardwalk to Sorrentos. Great board, good training. Wind from the side, swells from every angle except the right one.

Hope we have a good Maliko day tomorrow. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 02, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
I'll go with you tomorrow if it's OK.  Looked a tad light but even grained like 808 said.  I saw a group of OC1s gliding pretty good when I checked it out on my way to do some work.  Got a new phone with a great speakerphone so I don't get busted talking and driving.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 03, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
PBill and I went today with light winds, just barely whitecapping but perfect grain.  Everything was going in the same direction.  I used a smaller 8.7 blade.  Really liked the speed of the stroke better than my 9" blade. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Microbrewer on April 04, 2011, 07:57:28 AM
What is the forecast for thursday and Friday, Bill?  I hope we can make a run!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on April 04, 2011, 07:43:32 PM
Made another run sunday. Wind was lighter than Saturday but not by much. Was a little tough getting any long glides from Kanaha to the harbor. All in all a great workout and a fun weekend!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 04, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Wind was a steady 20 gusting to ~25 on today's run.  Very good conditions to sneak  inside and zip through the windsurfers.  Experimented a bit between hookipa and kanaha, but it didn't work.  My cohort took the usual rights outside and left me for dead.  He was still in sight above kanaha, so I tempted fate and ran well inside of him.  I was making great time on the bigger swells inside - steadily gaining ground. 

Then a big foam ball reared up behind me and started running me down.  I had good speed, but didn't try to stay on my line to outrun it.  Too many stories of ama down pile ups still fresh from the Keanae race.  So, without even turning back to have a look I hooked a left and rode in, and in, and in.  Emmer effin foam ball just wouldn't quit.  Headed back out as soon as possible, but the good stuff was out a bit.

Oh well, I'm glad I tried.  Saw Jeremy after the run, he said not looking back is usually best.  Sometimes it leads to 'deer in the headlights', hesitation and... you know the rest.  I know this is where the fast guys make time.  I'll go in more eventually.  I was worried about losing a rudder in a few spots. 
 
Sneaking across the reef to the entrance was interesting.  More foamy soft toppers rolling through.  Got lucky and zigged through them.  Fun day.
 
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko4-4.jpg)     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 05, 2011, 02:05:17 AM
I'm on the bench for a couple of days, trying to get my banged up shin to heal. The doc gave me some antibiotics, but it increases sun sensitivity. Still, if we get a good day I'll just armor up--waterproof bandage, tights, long sleeve rashy and my ultra-gay super-duper sun hat. If nothing else it well be a rare sight for everyone in the harbor.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on April 10, 2011, 10:47:17 PM
 The wind returned today so it was a go for a maliko. Had the wife drop me off at about 1:30 at the gulch. Recognized pono bills' funmobile parked and thought I would finally meet him. However he was gone already. The wind was blowing pretty good as I exited the gulch. Paddled out quite a ways as usual and made my turn and bam, I was gone. Most runs I've had are a mixture of good glides, small runners, and  areas where you can't buy a ride. Today was exceptional for me as I was gliding for what seemed the whole way. Big rollers at kanaha which I stayed clear of. What a blast! Maybe I'm just getting better or maybe I just got lucky. Being fairly new to downwind sup I can't say. Either way, I was moving. Managed to cut 10mins. off my previous time of 1hr 40mins. from boat ramp to beach.  Probably not fast by most guys standards, but I was happy with it. Had to really push hard to get to the beach once inside the harbor. What a grind that was! Until next weekend...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 10, 2011, 11:06:16 PM
Yeah, we did an early run, in the water about 10:30 with a set of newbies. Fun run but a lot of waiting around. Came in at Kanaha. then Bill Boyum, Robert and I did a second run to the harbor--about 1:30 to the sand. As 808 said, the paddle across the harbor was tough. Sure do like that Bullet. First third was rocket fast, second third was big and challenging, two miles out it all went confused and hard, then cleaned up for the last mile. Caught some huge long runners just before the breakwall. Good day. pooped.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 10, 2011, 11:18:22 PM
808... 1:40 was a good time today with the nightmare inside the harbor.  We launched for a second at 2:30.  When I was inside the harbor, I saw a smooth stretch of water behind the ship and figured I'd go for the straight line to the end and avoid the pilau diesel smell from the ship.   Got right in the middle and just got smoked by a blast right in my face.  Stopped me dead and I went into the execution mode... on my knees.  Hate to admit it but I caved in.  It was my second run and I was a tad tapped but PBill came in behind me and never went to his knees so I got no excuses.  Still I posted a 1:33 according to my wife... who knows how she decided.  PBill was fast too and not too far behind me.  I thought there were some crossed up sections and the current was sticky in parts but there were also some great sections from Kuau to Uppers where I started to run into some tricky water.  Lots of people on Sundays so it was cool to be out with everyone feeling the force.  PBill gave me a new leash which I put on right away and you know what Bill, I had one fall at the bottom of a double decker and the cord stretched full out.  If that old cord had snapped and I had your new one in my truck, I would've never forgiven myself.  Thanks so much.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 11, 2011, 12:57:44 AM
It was just self preservation--your old leash made me so nervous I couldn't stop thinking about it. I wouldn't have used that thing on a boogie board.

The Bullet works really well in the fast stuff. I'm still getting my sea legs on it, so the crossed up stuff is hard to navigate. I fell a lot on that second run. But man you were flying in that big stuff off Camp One. I was going as hard as I could and catching long rides, one after the other, and you still pulled away.

Sure was nutty in spots, waves banging into each other like seawall backwash--but in the middle of the ocean. And spindrift everywhere. Not to mention that whale that kept doing wild double jumps off my port bow. I was pleading with him to keep his distance. That could have been a really fast run if I wasn't falling so much. I bet I went in ten times.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 11, 2011, 11:39:42 PM
Blistering east today.  Morning run was a black squall and very crossed up.  Afternoon was blue skies and more organized.  Raced in the afternoon with someone slightly better than me and really learned alot.  Kept close with a back and forth for the first 4 miles until I fell and couldn't make up the 50 yds difference which stayed the same until the end.  That's what a fall equaled today... 50 yds.  Huge glides.  The run was a short course to Kanaha and had to come over Camp One reef with almost no water. 

I freaked thinking.. well here goes my rudder.  Caught a wave and tried something pretty slick, which worked.  Right when I saw the super shallow I dropped down on my stomach up towards the nose real quick.  These Chinese 16s have a huge nose kick and doing what I did lifted the rudder clean out of the water, which was cool but now I had no rudder so I dropped my foot over the side to act as a rudder which also worked except I took a gouge out of the top of my foot on the reef.  But not only would I have gouged the rudder, I would've bent the post pretty bad so taking a wound seemed to make me feel like I came out good.  Buzz gouged his rudder terrible.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 11, 2011, 11:48:05 PM
I have one word: Harbor   Well, okay, five: You guys is nutz.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 12, 2011, 10:23:25 PM
PBill's last Maliko paddle until he returns from America and it was a beaut.  30-40 and HUGE rolls outside, simply amazing stuff. Plus we pioneered a new finish point that is so much more civilized and we won't get gunned down by homeland security at the docks.   A great note for him to end this year's adventure.  It's been fun PB and maybe next year you'll remember to bring  dry clothes to change into when we do the truck drop!   Shirley says bye and wished she had known it was adios for a few months.  Thanks for all the enthusiasm and great vibes.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 13, 2011, 01:06:31 AM
Don't worry about the homeland security guys, they're like Barney Fife--one bullet and they carry it in a shirt pocket. Great fun this year buddy, all the best to you and Shirley. see you next year for more whacky adventures.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Microbrewer on April 13, 2011, 05:00:31 PM
I met headmount (Bill) for a guided run down the Maliko on Tuesday the 11th.  It was my first real downwind and the winds were whipping, crashing, and blowing like we were on a moon off of Jupiter.  ( thats what it felt like to me but Bill I think was pretty bored).   I got my ass handed to me most of the trip  but I did manage to get a few lengthy runs in where I felt like I was starting to 'get it' .   I have done most of my paddling here in Washington state on flat water and wind chopped stuff but that did not prepare me for the Maliko run.   It was a hoot though and I am glad I did it.  Thanks Bill!!You are the man.  That place is the real deal.  I was spat from my board every which way but loose and I must admit that I feel like I was taken out behind the shed and beaten with a stick :P.   We had a time on my GPS of 1:45 from dock to beach 7.68 miles.    I have my work cut out for me but certainly  inspiring.   ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Kissa on April 13, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
Here is a board choice question for you Maliko regulars. I am coming over in July when, hopefully, the wind will be consitently insane ;D. Should I get an F16 or a Bullet17? I have tried both here in Australia and my preference would be for an F16 in big windy conditions - it just feels more stable and comfortable but would be interested in your opinions - Thanks Dave
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 13, 2011, 07:22:15 PM
Kissa.. I think you pretty much have it figured out.  When it's windy (over 25) go 16.  I've only been on a Bullet a few times in strong conditions and it's something to get used to.  The 16 you can look around and count turtles or flying fish, no matter what the conditions are.

Micro... a pleasure to meet you and like you said... "I was spat from my board every which way but loose and I must admit that I feel like I was taken out behind the shed and beaten with a stick."  That's the truth but I'll tell you what....  You're a tough guy.  I've never seen a guy go down so many times and get back up on his feet.  I'm worn out if I fall a few times.  Getting back up on your feet with a roll like that is no easy deal and I try to avoid it at all costs.  And also know this... almost everyone who has done that run the first time has had a rough time of it unless they have time in the saddle from somewhere else with somewhat comparable conditions.  I was 54 when I first did it, decades of surfing behind me, and it wasn't pretty.  Plus the day you went was class 1 conditions, 30-40 with solid 8-12 foot crest to troughs, not some billiard table of little grooves to pleasantly push you along.  There are many conditions you can encounter on that run and you were in the ring with Apollo Creed on that day.  Keep practicing and maybe try one of those balance boards some of the guys talk about in this forum.  I'm scared of hurting myself on them and just stand on one leg for a few minutes when I do yoga... which seems safer for a geezer like me.  Core workouts too.  You're plenty strong enough upstairs but paddling's all in the gut.  Enjoy that clinic and think about your run and how you can apply the power.  Going fast is easier than going slow in big seas but you gotta learn how to drop that back foot into the surf stance ... quick.  Dropping in is a heavy deal and you got to aggressively want it.  Watch Million Dollar Baby and see how the gal learns to move her feet.  Have a friend push you hard in the chest and learn how to step back ...softly.  Mark the floor so you can see where your feet land and what your tendencies are so you can make the adjustments.  Then return here and knock Apollo Creed to the canvas.  Oh yeah... 6 years into this and I'm never bored out there.  Every time I'm out, I'm picking up info ... even when I've got my blade in the water, trying to stop.  I don't have enough years left to digest everything I want to pick up from the ocean.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on April 13, 2011, 09:08:20 PM
Headmount: That new finish point? I sometimes choose to avoid the nasty side or even head winds in the harbor by paddling straight in to the boat ramp. It's so easy a caveman can do it!However, lately I have been forcing myself to  the canoe hale as that's where races typically end. Pono: Enjoy your time away from maui. Maliko will be here when you return. Aloha
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 13, 2011, 09:32:59 PM
I second Bill's comments 'brewer. It's not easy no matter who you are. I've done a few runs with newbies when they had groomed ripples and no drama all the way. They fell like they've been sold a bill of goods about how demanding it can be. Then they come back the next day and get their asses handed to them. Lately it's been mostly that. I did my first run probably 70 percent on my knees, which was a good place since I was also praying.

Never boring.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 14, 2011, 12:24:26 AM
808... amen to the boat ramp.  That's where we went.  Caught two waves in about four strokes all the way from the entrance.  Heaven.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 22, 2011, 09:23:10 AM
Well it hasn't smoked since tax day but yesterday Larry and I went with Jonathan visiting from Melbourne.  Jon looked great on the few glides to be found out there and even found one really long one.  I rode my new Bullet and experimented with a new camera set up on the tail of my board.  I can hear the tailmount remarks now.  Anyway nothing new there as the Go Pro guys have been deck mounting for a long time.  But I like the footage from my TS2 without the super wide angle.  Didn't worry about drops and amazingly the lens stayed pretty clear.  Going to make some adjustments as to where I aim but am excited about the next run.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on April 22, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
The smokin maliko HAS taken a break.....However, I have today off and the wind is supposed to return so I am going to give it a go.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on April 22, 2011, 01:19:22 PM
How's it looking for the Maui to Molokai crossing race on Saturday?

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 22, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
 DJ-  It's looking fantastic for the Pailolo.  It cranked back up today and my new Bullet really flew.  Your mate Jon looks solid.  He'll be good tomorrow.  Here's my vid from yesterday when it was very light.  Going to turn the camera aim angle towards shore and lower it so all you see is knees to feet and see the whole length of the deck... and switch the focus to the paddlers next to me.  Next time.  But this was enlightening and fun paddling with Jon.  He's real good.

experiment mount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JuOfHYKhzE#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 22, 2011, 10:21:35 PM
Wow, that footage looks so much better than a go pro wide angle.  

The low mount looks great.  A windy day should be amazing.

Nice tunes too.    
  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Strand Leper on April 22, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
Bill,

Epic Riders on the Storm in strings...

Very, very interesting... I hope that you do this on one of those crazy days...

By the way, thanks for skipping the Speedo on this run!

Thanks for letting us see what a mellow run is like... you can really see (just like surfing) how the strokes are all over the map to get on, and try to stay on, the runners.

Tim
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 23, 2011, 12:46:26 AM
Well the jetski is the tried and true best but a ski is also a hassle and costly.  I need someone to drive while I keep my head real still and shoot.  This way is spontaneous and now that I have this Bullet with the freaking length, well it makes it a quick and dirty way to take a vid.  The board starts to roll sometimes if you notice and of course the camera rolls too.  I almost threw up watching it. 

Paddling and holding up just right for guys to blow by for the shot and then suddenly pour on the steam and catch up with their momentum is a trick.  It'll all get better in the future... and yes Tim I can't wait to take the camera out on a big wind day.  Today was one of those days but I had appointments later and had to do a fast-no-stop run to make it all happen.  Doing a vid shoot is not a normal run.  Mind is constantly on the vid.  It's wild.  Turn the camera off and the mind is free and the wheels start turning.

Speedoes??? THAT would be rude.  Funny.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on April 23, 2011, 06:39:20 AM
Thanks Bill.. Great vid and also great to see Jonathan in it.. Shame Pono's still not there.

I've been offered to try the new GoBandit cameras..  http://www.gobandit.com/ (http://www.gobandit.com/) .. and its view is less wide angled like the GoPro.. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

Tell Jonathan to stop having so much fun.. It's cold, wet and windy back home..  ;D .. and wish him luck in the race tomorrow.

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on April 24, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
Nice video Bill.

How high off the board was the camera lens and how far behind your typical paddling position was the camera? What mount did you use?

Maybe you could take a photo of the camera mounted on your board.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on April 24, 2011, 11:33:34 AM
Great vid Bill, I took one with my GoPro the following day - just sorting it out now. PT Woody has taken some with two cameras, the Panasonic on the nose pointing out to the side and a GoPro on the back of the board. Great for getting shots of your buddies along side then splicing the film from both cameras to change the view. I've booked Kelly for a 1pm run today....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on April 24, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
Headmount/Tailmount--nice video--looking forward to your further experimentations with the camera orientation.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on April 25, 2011, 09:33:51 AM
Ok, here is my video from the day before the race, took it pretty easy to save myself a little for the next day. Had a fun paddle with T, although she said she was out of shape she always pushes, and of course I couldn't let her get too far ahead :D

Sorry for the length, always think 3 or 4 minutes is best but it just stretched out a little....

Gentle Maliko Run (http://vimeo.com/22831783)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 25, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
Nice, looked like a very peaceful run, a far cry from this winter and early spring. I like those runs where you can just hop in the little swells and go forever. Looks like you did what I do--start picking daisies when it's easy. I laughed when you fell in on that little backside punch--been there, done that. Survive a big rocket ride, bouncing over Volkswagens hiding in the bottom of creases in the ocean, and then when everything calms down, fall on the least little wiggle.

I think next year I'm going to have to concentrate on channel crossings. Especially Maui-Molokai. I need to figure out a way to do a lot of them. I guess if we get a few under our belt we won't feel the need for escort boats anymore.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on April 25, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
Great vid Jonathan.. Your best one yet.. That board looks awesome with those little  yellow kangaroos that look like yellow stars.. Good to see you stop paddling and just enjoying the glide.. For me that's the best part.. What was that that popped up out of the water at the end?

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 25, 2011, 05:29:54 PM
Turtle.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on April 25, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
Great video Jonathan. Gave me the feel of riding those runners myself. I wish I could stay on a runner as long as you were. Sure looks like fun.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 25, 2011, 06:49:07 PM
Argosi Here's the pic of the camera mount.  It's from Pana Vise.  Works great.  Never came off the 2 times I used it and yesterday was fairly strong.  Great versatility with angling.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 25, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Oh yeah Argosi.  Forgot to tell you what happened to me with this set up.  So I have the camera set up with a slight tilt in the back .  Jonathan thought it had a left pull on thursday when I had the camera on with that light wind vid I already posted.  I didn't notice it very much that day and then I went out the next day friday without the camera and the board felt all time, no pull at all.  Then yesterday, Sunday the wind was fairly strong and my board keeps pulling left, big time.  I'm hoping it's the freaking camera acting like a sail and pushing my ass end around.  My rudder looks fine and I didn't bang it on anything.  I'll find out if it's the camera on the next windy day because I'm going out with the camera on my pal's board taking vid of me dropping in.  Then I'll splice that in and post.  Looks pretty cool so far, plus I had a blond gal to paddle out with. 

I dig the deck POV.  Moved the board all the way to the right side of the frame and pointed it down on the deck more so you can see my lead feet move.  My body is cut off at the knees.  I figure no one needs to see my sorry ass anyway.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 25, 2011, 07:41:16 PM
Here's a pic of the two Bills loading up at HCC after a Maliko run.  PBill is growing vegies and being a grease monkey in Portland... blows my mind what a contrast that is.  But I'm sure that once the icebergs clear the Columbia River he'll be out there on his new Bullet. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on April 25, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Bill, thanks for the pics of the mount. Looks solid. Was it this model?:
http://www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=74 (http://www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=74)

The optional extender may make for even better videos but a more fragile mount.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work with the deck mount camera. I may get one myself if I can figure out a way to stick it on to my Starboard with EVA deck.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 25, 2011, 07:54:03 PM
Cut a circle out of the EVA and make a smooth suction spot.  I don't know what model it is but it's the only one that looks like that.  Yeah Higher would be better but I think it would have a tendency to bounce around.  Some guy on You Tube commented that I should have used a fish eye.  Totally missed the point of no distortion.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on April 26, 2011, 12:45:23 PM
Did a run yesterday with Jeremy Riggs, Livio and Thomas. It was almost OK to start off then got super light towards the harbour.

This mount is a stick on right where the rudder passes through the deck - fine for light wind but in bigger waves I would have been stepping on the camera. The GoPro isn't great down low IMO, not a patch on the Panasonic because of the wide angle lens distortion.

Took out a Vimeo account so you can watch this one in HD if the fancy takes you!

Maliko run with Jeremy, Livio and Thomas M (http://www.vimeo.com/22908224)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on April 26, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
Another great vid Jonathan.. Keep them coming.. Pleeeese.. :)

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: enden on April 26, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
I use the same mount.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 28, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
Got to do a run today without all the camera hassles and concerns.  My Bullet needed some rudder tuning so I took the 16 out and was glad I did.  Took some big drops outside Uppers I don't think I woulda pulled off on the Bullet.   Trying to warp my head around racing in the next few months.  Such a different deal than just going out and dropping the clean set ups... when you're on your own.  Racing makes me think about stroking too much when waiting is what I like to do.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 29, 2011, 12:15:10 AM
^We missed you today HM, wish you had been along for the adventure.   Jonothan paddled my oc-1 today.  We did the shuttle with 7 standups and two canoes.  He did exceptionally well for his first time in an oc-1.  Wind was good - glides all around.  He tipped a few times in the bay and twice more out to sea.  Not bad at all considering he was catching some fine glides. 
Here he is very early in the run.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/z0.jpg)

Off to the races right off the bat.  I predict he will have an oc-1 within the year.  He just doesn’t know it yet…

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/z1.jpg)

Not many pictures of him in the boat because I had to rush to keep pace.  He waited and checked in a few times to see if I was ready to switch.  After about 3 miles he was ready for the standup.  We jumped in the water, tried to cross over when the F-16 went airborne.  It flew over our heads (and the oc-1) coming to rest about 30 feet downwind.  So I gave JC his paddle, hopped in the canoe and told him to swim.  :)

30 feet was 100 in a heartbeat.  I caught the f-16 and began waiting. Unfortunately, the wind was pushing me faster than he could swim (with the paddle).   Towing the board like a dingy crossed my mind, but I didn’t think I could lash it up without smashing something.  So I jumped in, right arm around the tail of the canoe, left around the tail of the F-16 and started kicking back to him.  We finally met up about 10 minutes later.  No real danger or panic, we knew we would sort it out, it just took longer than anticipated. 

Then it was back to riding.  Tasty bumps today.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/z2.jpg)

I like this pic because it shows a swell coming from the left and a bigger one from the right.  The convergence is where I like to steer.  Oc’s are very forgiving when sprinting into those zones.  10 months in a canoe has spoiled me.  When on standup, I need to remember to choose slower lines.  It’s all coming together nicely.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/z3.jpg)     

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/z4.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 29, 2011, 01:36:56 AM
I like that last pic of Jon on your board Larry.  What an adventure you had.  I had to work later so I had a 1:15 launch.  Went to the oil tanks.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on April 29, 2011, 04:13:01 AM
Hey Jonathan I know how you must have felt..  ;D .. Did you get a pic of it flying through the air? .. Great pics.

I can also see Jonathan and I in OC1's down the track.. I'm super keen.

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 29, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
DJ ... no one will ever duplicate that shot you posted about your ordeal.  That was one of a kind.  Whatever we do here is paddy cakes compared to that.  Well, I take that back.  A guy could have a pretty bad ordeal out in one of these inter island channels.  I had one once along time ago wndsrfng.  But Larry and Jon... they're solid.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 29, 2011, 11:12:17 PM
I was curious about the actual time we were separated, so I had a look at the gps. 

We parted at about 18:30.  My speed goes up - to retrieve the board - then settles down for about 5 minutes, then slows for another 10 before we met.
Watching Jonothan drift away as I held the board was unsettling.  Jumping in the water only slowed me about 1mph.  Thankfully, that was enough to allow us to regain contact.   

If I'm ever in this situation again I'll probably try to stay together and get the board.  My guess is that someone could hang on to an iako and hitch a ride.  If that didn't work then move to plan B. 

At the very least, I should have taken his paddle.  He also could have left his paddle behind for easier swimming.  An oc-1 can go back for a drifting paddle. 

Anyhow, all's well that ends well.           

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/z5.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 29, 2011, 11:41:34 PM
Yes taking the paddle would have been best... or if you're the one with the paddle, ditch it.  Paddles float.  I've been tagged by breaking waves and had to swim over a half mile for my board.  Immediately left my blade and swam hard.   Then it's easy to paddle upwind with the board.  Try to visualize the path you took and you should see it quickly.  And I can't really stress this enough...  Swim when you're not paddling as cross training and to save your ass when these situations come up.  I do 4-5 miles a week just to know that I can still cut it if the board is gone... plus I enjoy swimming.  As I age I imagine swimming will be my final activity. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 30, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
Whatever we do here is paddy cakes compared to that.  Well, I take that back.  A guy could have a pretty bad ordeal out in one of these inter island channels.  I had one once along time ago wndsrfng.  But Larry and Jon... they're solid.

I don't think you need to be inter-island to have a bad day, in fact I know you don't. Swimming in from Upper Kanaha is more than just swimming. Big waves and contrary currents to deal with. Took me twice as long as I expected.

I need to pick up my swimming more. The little bit of work I did with you this year Bill helped a lot, but I need time and practice. I think if you don't swim well and you do big downwinders that swimming may well be your final activity.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on May 20, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Looks like a great Maliko weekend in store for us weekend warriors. Winds expected to be 25+.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 23, 2011, 12:25:50 AM
Have been the last three days in a row but the last two had a bit of cross chop from a small N swell.  Today no swell to speak of.  Best day since early June of last year. wndspd 30-40.  Launch @1pm

Yesterday no falls but today I aired my board off a cross chop at infamous uppers, right as I was dropping a rather fair size swell.  Sent me flying and hit the water at high speed.  Went from feeling like the golden child to feeling really old in one second.  Hero to zero.  Felt glad I had PBills thick leash on my board.  Got back up on my hands and knees and tried to rally.  Finally stood, a glide grabbed me, crouched in the backseat like I was in deep powder, blade in the water like a plow and the child returned.  Tonight I'm toast
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on May 26, 2011, 11:04:34 PM
Heading for a 4:30 maliko run tomorrow after work. Anyone interested? I will be going to the harbor.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 27, 2011, 01:18:56 AM
Today was really good on the standup, 28 gusting to 38 at the airport.  Wonderful glides on an inside line across the reefs.  Great fun.   

Resting Friday, but hope to be on the shuttle Saturday at one.  Should be a ripper.                   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on May 28, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
Got down there at 3:30 and had a very nice run. Slipped inside the harbor as the tugboat was just starting to work its way to the entrance with the barge. 5mins later and I would have been paddling back out to avoid it. I might see you on the shuttle  La Perouse.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 31, 2011, 01:06:10 AM
South shore was excellent today.  Walking distance to the cove is so perfect for late afternoon runs.    Drive to the boardwalk - do a downwinder - walk home and bike back to the truck.  This run is very popular when the wind makes the turn, many canoe trucks in the parking lot.  Some oc-1 and 2 friends zoomed by and hooted about a mile into the run.  They finished at Sorento's.  It was over far too quickly.

Sol and Colleen were motoring.  Shoulda taken some more pics but it was so very hard to stop gliding.  
  
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore2009-06-08001800x358.jpg)

I had to pull out of the strongest wind line early to get home.  Waves smoothed out to waist high groomed perfection.  F-16 was loving it.  Nice change from the chaos of a windy maliko.  South shore is a good option for first time downwinders.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore2009-06-08007800x381.jpg)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 31, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
wow Larry, that last pic of the empty roll was the perfect one for paddlers to see so they can visualize when to stroke.  I'm still out for a few more days so this surgery site can heal.  It's healing fast so far.  See you soon
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 02, 2011, 10:52:42 PM
40+ today.  My first run since my surgery over a week ago.  Apparently the rest did me good.  An absolutely perfect run and totally laid to rest the notion that the Bullet is just a light wind board.  You have to ride it (move your feet) but man this is the board.  Didn't pay any attention to my heading and got pulled out a bit since the wind didn't seem to turn onshore at the end today.  By the time I checked, I had to do a serious 45 on the wind but found the grain and kept on glide the whole way in.  Incredible.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 02, 2011, 11:09:34 PM
We missed you out there Bill, glad to hear the bullet is going well for you.  I was chasing Jack and Devin.  Like you, I went out a bit futher than usual.  At the airport tower I looked around for the crane and almost had a heart attack.  The wind had been steadily blowing me far, far out.  Angled in for a while, then back on line for some fun glides into the harbor.  I don't like to be too far out late in a run with offshore winds.  Maybe the ugliest line I've ever paddled, but it was still big fun. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-2.png)

Devin and Jack getting ready to go.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/6-2-11800x375.jpg)

As usual, they became small on the horizon after a few miles.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/6-2-11-1800x411.jpg)

Here's a typical bomber flying through - well overhead in size.  Very fun day.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/6-2-11-2800x401.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on June 03, 2011, 12:18:53 AM
Left maliko at about 4:30. That was as early as I could do. Found myself out side of my normal line as well. Wind was not 40 or anywhere near for my run, but did have a fast one.
I couldn't help but think how well a bullet would do.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 04, 2011, 01:05:58 AM
HM showed me a great alternative finish.  The wind in the harbor can be a lot of work some days, this spot is really nice.  The sand and water are very clean, nobody around, great feel to this little beach.

The wind was light today, so I stayed inside and tried to hit all the reef I could find.  The light F-16 is fun even in small bumps.  Love that board. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-3-1-1.png)

Here's a closeup of the finish area.  The road leading to the beach is very light traffic.  Probably a good idea to park at the windsurf shop and drive back to the gate to get your boards.  It's a seldom used hidden away area - nice change from the intensity of the harbor.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-3-1.png)

Paddling through kite beach is fun. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-03001800x450.jpg)

This guy was at least 6-6 250, and really flying.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-03002800x450.jpg)

Here are some pics for DJ.  I know he loves this stuff.  :)
17-4 x 26.75 for the bullet, 16 x 27.5 for the custom F-16.

Mark's comments on the design are here: http://www.sicmaui.com/bullet17_4.htm (http://www.sicmaui.com/bullet17_4.htm)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-03003800x450.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-03004800x449.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-03006800x449.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-03005800x451.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 04, 2011, 07:53:37 PM
When I called to rally La Perouse it was sorta sunny and about 20-30... a significant drop from the 40+ the day before.  But on our drive up to the launch the skies darkened and the wind really dropped.. into low teens.  It looked pretty grim and I usually don't go when it looks like that but I instigated the run so i stuck with it.  When we got out into the open ocean it still had some residual bump from earlier so there were small glides to be had although you really had to work hard to catch them.  The day before had spoiled me with a run that only required a few strokes and long glides.  My 10 day lay-off from the surgery really told on me when I had to work hard.  Like La Perouse wrote, his super light board was a great tool for the day.  I also found the many non gliding moments to be challenging on my Bullet as far as keeping it pointed correctly in a timely manner in order to be ready to catch a glide when they came my way.  Steering it in moderate to high winds seems easy for me.  So I'm sure it's just adjusting to something I'm not that familiar with...light winds.  I really enjoy the sun as well and when it gets dark, as PBill says, I start picking daisies.  La Per was also smart to take an inner line where any glides that were there would stand up taller.  I convinced myself that there was stronger wind outside and the wind was going to clock onshore at the end but I struck out.  Got home and the sky erupted in rain.  The sound and cool air was a knock out and I slept till this morning with no dinner.  Woke up starving.  Man those boards do look great next to each other.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 05, 2011, 12:28:48 AM
Oc-6's had a regatta in the harbor, so Jeremy introduced me to the boat ramp finish.  It's a great place to stop - avoids the harbor traffic and wind.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-4800x428.jpg)

I took the oc-1 today, hoping to relax and take some pics.  The wind was about 20 when we drove up.  An intermediate oc-1'er like myself can keep up with an elite Sup'er if the wind stays around 20.  If it goes over 30 - 35, elite Sup's drop me like a bad habit. 

As we launched I was still convinced I had this one in the bag. 

You ready?  Sure, go ahead kid, I'll stay back and shoot some pics, then run you down later...

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-13001800x448.jpg)

There he goes... and up comes the wind, gusting over 30 now...

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-13003800x450.jpg)

WTF? how did he get so far ahead? (big zoom here) I'd better get going. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-13004800x450.jpg)

I had to bust my ass to keep up.  No time for pics. :)  Got lucky on the inside line and snuck away, just beating him to the entrance.  Young whippersnapper pushed me to my fastest run of the year. 

Another cool thing about finishing at the boat ramp are the catchable waves.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-13006800x450.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-13007800x450.jpg)

   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 05, 2011, 07:30:04 AM
We started doing the boat ramp finish at the end of the winter. Way better than the Hale.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 05, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
Wow, very impressive PB.  How did you manage to stay in the same zip code as Jeremy?  The only memories I have of winter and elite sup's are watching them fly past me in my oc-1.   :)

Kelly's shuttle saves about an hour and a half of driving time.  She's a single mom and working hard to keep this business afloat.  Give her a ring or text and get on her email list for updates to the schedule.  I learn a lot on the shuttles.  It's a great opportunity to rub elbows with the true experts.  They are very helpful if you have questions.  Sometimes they tell stories that are mind boggling. 

http://moorewatertimemaui.com/ (http://moorewatertimemaui.com/)

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 05, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
What would make you think I stayed in the same zip as Jeremy. Actually, now that I think if it, I did once--he was doing testing and swapping boards around and guiding someone. I actually finished ahead of him.

Perhaps you're confused by the reference to finishing at the boat ramp. that was Herr Headmount and I, and we planned to do it regularly, but I jammed up my knee and then left for Hood River. It's been so long since I've had a paddle in the water I'm not sure which end goes in.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: maui wave warrior on June 05, 2011, 10:41:14 PM
I am not a downwinder as of yet and thus have never used the shuttle. Not sure if its true, but I heard today that business for Kelly has been slow and will be a challenge to continue much longer of something doesn't change. I think the shuttle service is a very valuable resource for the downwinder not to mention the convienence. I certainly hope the Maui DW folks can help provide some support to help keep her in business. I just may consider getting into the DW thing and use the shuttle whenever I go as my part to help. Maybe someone can start a Maui DW touring business which utilizes the shuttle for all its clients. Any takers out there? Sorry don't mean to hi-jack this thread.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 05, 2011, 10:56:16 PM
You will be amazed at how much fun downwinders are MWW.  Give it serious consideration.

And thanks for the support for the shuttle, she needs it.  


Perhaps you're confused by the reference/ blah blah blah..


That's it?

I fire a five inch shell across your bow, hoping to stir up some controversy in this thread (with the aim of promoting Kelly's shuttle) and you reply with logic?

Are you drunk?  You should be mean and aggressive when off the water!  Get off the meds!

The zone is long overdue for a good dust up.  See if you can get your fat brother involved too, fatso.   :)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/zoners.jpg)

Good news on the shuttle today, Danny moved out.  Mark R. and Kelly expressed interest in something paddle related happening on the property.  I quickly volunteered my willingness to pay rent for storage.  I don't know if it's at all possible - but sure hope so.

C'mon all you paddlers with influence on Maui, make it happen!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 06, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
I'm a little slow on the uptake, it's the cold weather, makes me torpid. That plus I didn't fathom that some traitor who spends his winters sitting down to paddle (and probably to pee) would be giving me grief.

I certainly hope Kelly continues her great service. One of those things that people won't miss until it's gone. I've heard folks say it costs them less to do the shuttle with a friend. Yeah, probably about one beer less. But if you don't support Kelly, she won't be there when you need her. I know that's a common argument for everything, from lifeguards to farmers, but this is an easy one that appeals to my selfish nature. Burn a bunch of gas and time shuttling yourself to Maliko, or do something much more fuel-efficient, easy, fun (great conversations in the shuttle, always) and convenient.

So take that Larry, you pencil necked canoe flogger.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 06, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
PBill... He's in the picture, right behind Jack Nickleson, a tad to the right... the tall starry eyed- pencil neck Benedictoid. 

Now that I've entered the fray I can picture what's coming next.  Hey Bill, you gonna put a Ubangi nose ring in that hole?  Already heard that one.

THings are slow all around right now and should pick up soon for Kelly and all of us.  5 or so races coming up.  She'll be full soon.  Man a storage locker at the gulch would be the bomb... if it were bomb proof.  Getting paddlers to close and lock the door after themselves might be a trick tho. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on June 06, 2011, 01:26:10 PM
Slightly off topic, but I work with a guy who was learning to surf at Tourmaline Canyon in the 60s or 70s and almost mowed down Skip Frye, who told him, "if you ever do that again I'll wring your neck you pencil necked geek".
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 06, 2011, 02:20:41 PM
Pencil necks are a good thing in a canoe.  With my butt planted in the seat, the only way to shift weight forward is to lean.  I can whip my melon forward like a yo-yo for that little extra push.  The primo guys wish they were built like me.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/primo800x450.jpg)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 06, 2011, 06:59:18 PM
Cute, after you master that you should take on Ornstein, he's pretty rad in a canoe too.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 08, 2011, 10:57:16 PM
Today was a grey overcast day but superb conditions-25-40, no contrary ground swell, just a very orderly wind roll with smooth faces, everything running in the exact same direction.  At the end of today's run I made a statement to myself that I usually hate to say... that was the best ever.  But the reasons were more than just conditions.  Most of my runs end up in a very solitary world.  Very seldom do I paddle anywhere near someone else for any period of time and even if we're equally down the coast,  most of the time over there is a 100 yard difference laterally.  I've heard of some teams staying close and that has always seemed a great way to energize a run to the max.  But I'm either too slow or too fast.  However today I met up with Talia Gangini at the boat ramp, my good friend John's 18 yr. daughter.  I know she has a track record as one of the top female paddlers on the scene and suffered no illusions about being able to keep up with her.  However the conditions were off the charts and that becomes an equalizer of sorts.  Amazingly we were less than 20 yds apart for the first several miles.  Many times on the same glide within hooting distance.  It was intense out there and we were going pretty damn fast.  My legs finally gave out on a drop and I went down hard.  It takes awhile for me to get back up and she had slipped away.  But riding close for so long really did energize my run.  Amazingly when Robert and I went back up to the gulch to retrieve his truck and it had glassed off.  We were so lucky.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 08, 2011, 11:57:53 PM
The run-in to the harbor was epic.  Head high groomed swells were too easy to catch.  Wind would  blast then relax for a few minutes.  I'd pause and wait for the wind to launch into the big ones.  3 over the front superman wipeouts today.  Too fun.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-17006800x450.jpg)

/ trying to keep up with La Perouse, who in two runs in different conditions has slipped away, close but just ahead.  I wanted to report back to you that I put the pencil neck in his place/
meh, get in line.

You did look good for only 2 runs in 2 weeks.  It's highly unlikely that you will ever beat me straight up though.  If you pull ahead, I'll just sit down and make a phone call...

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2009-06-14001800x453.jpg)

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 10, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
Great conditions today.  Wind picked up as the run progressed.   

Chivalry is dead.  Devin with her F-16 v3, Sandy with a C4 stocker.  Pencil necks need not apply.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-09002800x450.jpg)

Martin Lenny starts 'em young at maliko. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-09004800x448.jpg)

I love it when the oc's drop in to say hello. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-09006800x449.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 10, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Just try to carry Devin's board for her. You'd be likely to get a paddle upside yer melon. For that matter, don't drop in on her going left at Kanaha. Boyum calls her "The Boss" and seems a little scared of her, which is odd considering that she weighs about 14 pounds.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 10, 2011, 09:15:15 PM
Ha! I can't wait to ask HM about that.  He probably cut her off and got an earful.  :) Too funny.  She was going easy yesterday, so I pulled out all the stops and stayed with her for the whole second half.  When the canoes came by she did some big efforts which were pretty impressive.  

Today was gusting over 40.  I took some great pics of Suzie Cooney on her 14 glide.  That girl is fearless.  She always goes to Kanaha.  Last winter HM and I were out on a very windy, big NW swell day.  HM got the longest ride of his life across the lower reef, finishing at the oil tanks.  I finished at the harbor in my oc-1 and kissed the sand.  Suzie went across the Kanaha reef that day, got munched and had a big adventure.  As I recall, her partner got mowed - lost their board - and she was afraid they had drowned.  It's on her site.  Scary story. The waves were really, really big that day.  

I looked at my chart and noticed what may be my longest glide yet.  It happened at Upper Kanaha, ~ 10mph average for almost 2 minutes.  That's over 500 yards.  I'm still wondering how the fast guys do 10 mph for 9 miles...

Sadly, the pics of Suzie will have to wait for another day.  My camera is in the rice baggie.  Somehow the files got corrupted.  Everything seems dry, but I'll give it some time to dry out before shooting again.  Very fun day.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2011, 02:35:56 PM
Camera came back to life, pics intact.  

The sailing canoes were in town, rigging up for Friday's race from the harbor to Lahaina.  They did Lahaina to Molokai Sunday.  These boats really motor when the wind is up.  And the wind was very, very good both days.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/CIMG0461800x449.jpg)

From the water.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/CIMG0463800x4482.jpg)

This is from the web, on another day.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/Oceancanoe.jpg)

Here's the beautiful and talented Suzie.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/CIMG0465800x451.jpg)

And a client, Bill the retired airline pilot.  Super nice guy.  His leash got severed going across the reef on 12-2-10.  His board washed up on the beach and Suzie got pretty worried.  I asked Bill about it yesterday.  He said the current made it difficult to get to the beach.  He swam for an hour and a half.  

I remember that day vividly.  I've never seen the water moving around so much.  My mantra was 'don't break the boat.'

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=9680.0 (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=9680.0)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/CIMG0468800x450.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2011, 11:25:04 PM
My oc-1 blade snapped off about a mile from home on a south shore run this afternoon.  (How's that for a segue?)  Thankfully, the wind was straight behind me.  I used my slippers and Jamie Mitchelled it in - even caught a few glides.  It was kind of fun.  

Very lucky it happened so close to shore - and home.  Paddled oc-1 on a maliko Saturday.  Losing the blade out there could have been ugly.  Paddling by hand may not have been an option.      

I'll be carrying a spare from now on.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 14, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
My oc-1 blade snapped off about a mile from home on a south shore run this afternoon.  (How's that for a segue?)  Thankfully, the wind was straight behind me.  I used my slippers and Jamie Mitchelled it in - even caught a few glides.  It was kind of fun.  

Very lucky it happened so close to shore - and home.  Paddled oc-1 on a maliko Saturday.  Losing the blade out there could have been ugly.  Paddling by hand may not have been an option.      

I'll be carrying a spare from now on.    
That's one area where SUP is safer than OC-1 and even moreso surfski - that of equipment failure.

You break a paddle or rudder on the SUP, you lay down and paddle in.  When the rudder broke on my ski (fortunately at the very end of the run) paddling it at all was extremely difficult.  I tried laying on it and paddling by hand, it was a no go.  So I paddled it with my legs in the water but it was absolutely uncontrollable.  Luckily for me I was only about 1/4 mile from the finish, but that 1/4 mile took me over 20 minutes.  Had it happened out in the rough water it would have been a true nightmare.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 14, 2011, 05:35:12 PM
Indeed, boats can be so much worse than standups when things go wrong.

Most of the oc-1's I see have rubber wrapped around an iako.  I hope I never have to use it.  They say it's handy to stabilize a broken rudder cable. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-14001640x360.jpg)

A few people have asked about the snapped paddle.  It was a frankenstein made up of various parts - not a retail model.  My first oc paddle had a carbon blade with a wood shaft.  The wood cracked about 8 months ago.  I removed the wood and glued in a carbon shaft.  The wood was easy to get out with sharp tools, but I  compromised the carbon fibers deep in the hole - down where the shaft bottoms out.  Eventually the damage worked it's way to the surface.  The break was clean and quick.  The blade sank before I could get a hand on it.         
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 14, 2011, 06:07:06 PM
Another emergency broken cable fix I read about on surfski.info was to carry a small piece of foam which could be used to jam the rudder in the straight ahead position.  In fact I carry a piece with me in case I break a cable, and when my rudder broke I thought no big deal, I will wedge the foam in to keep the rudder straight and paddle in.

But when I flipped my boat over to my surprise the rudder was simply gone - the shaft had broken and the rudder sank, so my piece of foam didn't help me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 17, 2011, 01:16:33 AM
The south shore has great downwinders.  If the trades have enough NE, they usually make the turn down the coast about 1 -2 pm, and hold until just before dark. 

This site is useful for watching the wind direction at the airport.  40 degrees NE is ideal.  50 and 60 also work, but the wind is more likely to shut down or switch direction.  Coincidentally, 40 degrees (and lower) is when maliko is less user friendly.   

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/PHOG.html (http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/PHOG.html)

This site is useful as well.  It's a nice illustration of how the wind wraps around Haleakala in the afternoon.  Daytime heating of the hillside draws the wind down the coast.  It's accurate for maliko runs too.   

http://weather.mhpcc.edu/wrf/maui2/ (http://weather.mhpcc.edu/wrf/maui2/)

This is how the wind can go up or down the south shore, with E trades.  The time of day, cloud cover and wind direction all play a part. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/wind1.png)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/wind.png)

This webcam is at the north end, overlooking maalaea bay.

http://www.mauisunseeker.com/webcam (http://www.mauisunseeker.com/webcam)

This one is at the Mana Kai, a popular finish spot.  A good run will have solid rollers here.  It's  popular finish spot.

http://www.islandsir.com/webcam/ (http://www.islandsir.com/webcam/)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 17, 2011, 09:34:28 AM
These wind maps always remind me that potentially one of the HEAVIEST downwind experiences in the world also resides in Maui County and I'm not talking about Maliko.  By the way yesterday from Maliko was off the charts.  Launched right as Kelly's van was rolling in.  Got a double decker that turned into a full on wave.  Just went ahead and rode it all the way across uppers.  Funny... I hadn't seen any waves before or after that one.  Those double deckers give the best possible top speed and the Bullet was fine... with my back foot over the rudder.  There's a little vee back behind the rudder and that's all I had touching the water.  No GPS so don't know what that speed was.  Maliko is still throwing me conditions that are a constant challenge, thinking about that other spot just scares me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: footemaui on June 17, 2011, 11:28:31 AM
The other spot get some big uns
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 21, 2011, 01:02:55 AM

Another emergency broken cable fix I read about on surfski.info was to carry a small piece of foam which could be used to jam the rudder in the straight ahead position.

This would have helped one of the girls on our run today.  Her rudder had some problems.  She made it to the finish ok, but the rudder was moving around.  I'll be carrying a rudder jammer from now on.  She looked great early on, I could barely keep up with her.  The rudder went haywire in the bigger stuff.

South shore was really blasting today.  Minimum of three people to get each board off the trucks.  Sorry for the lack of pics, I was preoccupied with racing one of the other paddlers.  We have an unspoken yet intense rivalry.  I've only beaten him twice in many years.  Got him today.  Yes.

This was about 20 feet from shore, zero fetch.  Within 10 minutes it was shoulder high groomed perfection.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-20001800x448.jpg)

Yesterday was also very, very good.  One of my neighbors has paddled six man for many decades but is without an oc-1.  So we took my f-16 and boat out.  As we were chatting after the run I noticed something in the nose of the boat. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-19003800x449.jpg)

Hmm, seems to have gone right through, what is that?

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-19001800x448.jpg)

Let's have a closer look.  Are those teeth?

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-20012800x447.jpg)

Indeed they are.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-06-20018800x448.jpg)

Probably one of these - crocodile needle fish (or stick fish).  Bill was surprised it poked the boat.  He thought it had flown right over.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/corcodile-needle-fish-kona.jpg) 

Bill felt bad about the damage.  I told him don't be, this is rather cool.  Then he told me about the time a whale lifted an oc-6 he was in completely out of the water and set it back down.  He and his mates were speechless.   

It's a jungle out there. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on June 21, 2011, 04:08:01 AM
Wow! Lucky it wasn't through your leg or arm..  :o

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Admin on June 21, 2011, 06:21:57 AM
That is awesome Larry!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 21, 2011, 07:20:15 AM
Now you know why I was so spooked about that Ono just missing my leg. I think that's WAY scarier than sharks. Very random, but WOW, what an impact. I may get some shin guards.

***image redacted due to a drunken poster leaving the dims at 400 x 1 zillion***

The only proper thing to do is to eat as many of the buggers as possible. Ono--yum.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on June 21, 2011, 08:16:56 PM
Crikey! That is wild larry. Glad no one got hit. Most of us don't have skin that is any stronger than carbon fiber, so we would be hurting.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 22, 2011, 10:03:58 PM
I knew a french wndsrfr who had one of those stick fish go through his leg... was infected for almost a year, almost lost his leg.  Great pics Larry.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Kissa on June 23, 2011, 10:08:57 PM
I am coming over the Maui next week  ;D and just have a few questions for the locals. What are the perfect conditions for a Maliko run? Looking at Windguru it is cranking East everyday. Should it be more North East? And what about race 2 (to Honolua Bay) of the Triple Crown. Is that a good run with a hard grind at the end of the race? Cheers from OZ.  :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 23, 2011, 11:57:14 PM
I don't live on the north shore, so I have to check online before driving over.    

These lines should be long and from the east.  That's your fetch.  The closer together, the higher the wind speed.

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/graphics/npac.gif (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/graphics/npac.gif)

Wind speed and direction at the airport. 70-80 is probably best.

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/PHOG.html (http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/PHOG.html)

Windguru at hookipa.  

http://www.windguru.cz/int/index.php?sc=53 (http://www.windguru.cz/int/index.php?sc=53)

Radar of rain showers that can block winds. also shows wind direction.  

http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/hawaii_loop.php (http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/hawaii_loop.php)

More cloud stuff that can help with potential rain.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/cpac/flash-ir4.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/cpac/flash-ir4.html)

Cam at top of run.

http://www.mamasbeachcam.com/ (http://www.mamasbeachcam.com/)

Cam at bottom of run.  has graph of windspeed and gusts too.

http://www.mauiwindcam.com/streaming/kanaha/ (http://www.mauiwindcam.com/streaming/kanaha/)

You will get lots of info in person when you are here.

Oh, your question.  :)

NE is not best for maliko or the race to honolua.  You will want E for maliko and ESE for honolua.  The hard part of that race will be paddling north west up to Kahakuloa.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 26, 2011, 11:14:43 PM
Hey La Perouse, don't forget to throw your chart up for sunday's run.  Shirley says I'm getting a GPS for my  61 b-day
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 27, 2011, 01:35:45 AM
I enjoy the gps data.  Here is today's line.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-26700x373.jpg)

Here is part of the chart.  I can't include the overall time because it's too slow.  If the admin were to see it, the zone would go down due to coffee spewage.  I'll post a full chart when I go under 1:05 to the harbor.   :)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-261700x203.jpg)

Garmin lets you zoom in on a section to measure a glide.  My personal record for one of these bumps over 8mph is 500 yards.  The best I had today was this one, about 260.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-262700x327.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 27, 2011, 10:40:20 AM
From the chart it looks like you fell three times... one of them after the big one you told me about.  The graph jibes with my memory of the run, especially the big ones off Uppers.  Looks like we had a steady range of 7 to 11, but my biggest thrill was not falling for the second time on my Bullet. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 27, 2011, 01:50:38 PM
From the chart it looks like you fell three times... one of them after the big one you told me about.

Yes, 3 falls.  The first one was almost a good link.  The f-16 comes alive in that area.  It's not ideal for average speeds but great fun for late drops, surfing and quick turns (for a 16).  Super, super fun across that reef.        

/ Looks like we had a steady range of 7 to 11 /  

The gps average speeds can be very enlightening.  Lots of data in training center to help understand the graph.      

The numbers on the south shore are faster than I thought they would be.  Top speeds and averages can be quite similar.  Wind may be NE early this week.   I'm hoping for good south shore conditions late in the day.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 27, 2011, 11:12:09 PM
The south shore was good today.  Here is a graph for comparison to Sunday's maliko.

These (2) glides are a bit longer than Sunday, about 280 yards (above 8 mph).

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/polo6-27700x339.jpg)

The software also switches easily to time.  The bumps appear to be about a minute at +8 mph.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/polo6-271700x284.jpg)

8 mph is an arbitrary figure I use because it fits my graph well.    It's less than an exact science, but good enough for me to compare my runs.  The bump on the graph looks like a good connection to me. 

I mentioned this system to a pro, one of the best at maliko.  He's had similar speed 'glides' for a kilometer.  That's about 1100 yards. 

So if anyone asks how long the glides at maliko can be, tell them - on an average day - a middle aged pencil neck from Indiana can do a minute or two and a couple hundred yards. 

On a big wind event the fast paddlers are gliding for a very, very long time.         
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 28, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
And when you compare these downwind graphs to time and distance at a surfing break, a surfing break compares like this.  A short wave at an average break lasts about 5 secs, a long wave 10.  I used to surf Honolua Bay every season and it seemed like every year I'd hook up an extra long one from  outside coconuts through the keiki bowl which was about 30 secs and maybe the same length as the open ocean glides the pencil necked geek from Indiana is getting.  A connection of the various sections at G-land would be about the same distance and time, for sure no longer than 40 secs.  Robby's ride at Pavones was in the one of the longest surfing waves category. (also outside of Galveston)  Now you might say that a breaking wave speed is faster than a open ocean glide...  and I'd say sometimes a little more but sometimes less.... maybe more consistent speed on a breaking wave.  I'd like to see Robby's speed on his GPS on that Pavones wave.  I'm guessing 8-9.  Open ocean swells are traveling faster than breaking waves, that's why we need these long darts to catch them, and even then it ain't easy.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 28, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
Robbie Naish's average speed on that wave at Pavones illustrates how valuable it is to bring as much data as possible to each discussion.  His ride was 1.09 k at 2'15" for an average speed of 18+ mph.  Do what you will with those numbers.  
    
I'm not a whiz at math, far from it.  And all of my statistics is long since forgotten.  But I do remember how easily statistics can be manipulated to support an argument.  Common sense tells me to be very skeptical of anything to do with stats., particularly graphs.  With that in mind, I say again that all my graphs are very inexact.  

Great variations may exist in my gps data that I'm not aware of.  Particularly the sample rate.  Garmin 305's will allow you to set the sample rate to 'smart recording' (the default) which "picks up key points where you change direction, speed or heart rate."  The manual continues: "You can also record data every second, doing so creates the most accurate record possible of your activity".  However, with this setting, battery life is only 3.5 hours.  

I use the default option because it gives a more legible graph.  I tried the one second sample rate a few years ago.  The curves on my graph were very spikey, nearly illegible.  Maybe the updated software has better smoothing, I'll give it a whirl on my next paddle.  

IMO, gps graphs are fun to play with, but that's about it.  A mathmatician could probably make a case that my graphs are quite innacurate.  IMO the 305 is accurate for elapsed time, overall average speed and mapping courses.  I'm skeptical of their accuracy as the time interval shrinks.      
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 28, 2011, 07:16:35 PM
Here is some data from my oc-1, chasing Jeremy on his 14.  I'm still undecided as to what glides look like on a graph.  This much I'm sure of; oc-1's are fun and Jeremy is fast.  :)   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-41700x402.jpg)
 
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-42652x474.jpg)

And the section of the run from 0:14 to 0:21 minutes.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-43700x323.jpg)



 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Dangerous Dan on June 28, 2011, 07:23:58 PM
Hey LaPerouseBay,

I'm that pencil neck, only from North Carolina versus Indiana.  We arrive Maui next Tuesday night for a week of surf SUP on the west side.  I appreciate all of the great info on the ten or so pages on this topic.  I am also so hyped about renting an F16 for a Miliko run and hope to get up with some of you guys so maybe you all can help point this 56 year old NC pencil neck from point A to point B!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 29, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
Ocean swells are quite a bit faster than breaking waves, the reason the wave breaks is that friction slows the front of the wave and make it stack, then the back of the wave catches the front and the whole thing topples over (simplified, but more or less true).

Open ocean wave speed is proportional to the wave period--roughly three times the period in knots per second so a 15 second wave travels at 45 kts/hr. As the reach shallow water the drop dramatically in speed to roughly half that.

The reason Robby went so much faster surfing a breaking wave is that he wasn't traveling in the same direction as the wave, he was vectoring across the face.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 30, 2011, 11:25:54 PM
Open ocean wave speed is proportional to the wave period--roughly three times the period in knots per second so a 15 second wave travels at 45 kts/hr. As the reach shallow water the drop dramatically in speed to roughly half that.
Your ablility to rattle that off the top of your head is impressive.  The spelling errors are a dead giveaway. 

I like this link about ocean waves. 

http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/how-do-we-get-surf---forecaster-blog_56731/ (http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/how-do-we-get-surf---forecaster-blog_56731/)

Here's a clip: "The individual waves actually move twice as fast as the wave train or the swell, and a single wave's speed can be calculated by multiplying the swell period times three."

Reading the link's description of open ocean wave speed, I'd probably change your sentence to "Open ocean wave speed is proportional to the swell period..."

Granted, swell and wave are often interchangeable, I'm splitting hairs, etc. 

But the author does have interesting points about how waves behave on wave trains (swells) in the open ocean.  It seems fitting to make the distinction in the downwind section.  And it helps explain why Robbie goes so fast on the wave.  He's got the energy of the entire swell in his wave.  Downwinders are usually milking the waves on the swell, and those little bastards are always reforming...

Quiz on Friday.  :)

I've always liked this picture.  It helps explain the spooky feeling in the pit of my stomach when I see a long period groundswell. I tell myself hmm, why should I be afraid of that 15 footer? it's never going to break.  Oh yeah, it's a thousand feet deep  That explains it.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/swell-period700x368.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 01, 2011, 12:16:47 PM
Great info.  In the world of adventures in low speed or "downwinding" the waves we catch here on Maui are most likely in the 6-8 sec period, especially in these summer months.  It seems to me that in the same depth of water, the smaller slower moving waves tend towards a steeper, easier to catch slope.  The faster waves tend towards increasingly flatter slopes, which are more difficult to catch.  The ticket seems to be getting a boost from a small steep one that can launch you into those faster moving flatter ones.  Since the fast moving swells cease to exist in shallower water, for a Maliko run, it asks you a question, is the deeper outside route a better choice?  If you are able to connect into those fast moving longer period swells then the answer may be yes.  But if you don't connect consistently  into those fast moving flatties then the steeper slower moving inside may be your ticket because of the steadier average speed.  I've seen the difference on many days between one and the other.  Each day has so many variables to try to add up and roll the dice as to which choice is best.  Most times I gamble for the outside.  Even if my overall speed isn't as good as the inside on that specific day, learning the challenge of connecting into the fastest moving wind swells is what really turns me on.  But if you're racing the inside line can be better for overall time.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on July 01, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
You guys impress me with all your scientific calculations  ;)  I just look at the water and decide if it's going to be sleigh rides all the way or if I will be grinding. Which brings me to a question. Since light winds are expected at sundays' race, will your line be closer to shore or outside???
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 01, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
Call me spoiled but light winds will find me on the coach, watching Meet the Press.  No interest in hot muggy slogs.  I've done it and 10 miles turns into a long haul.  One hydration pack isn't enough. 

If I want to paddle in flat water, I'd like to be in Lake Tahoe where a cool-off is right below your feet.

But if there is a little wind (there might be enough for a glide or two) I would think the inside line to be the best, right on top of the reef, although today there was a little N swell but it should be gone by sunday.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 02, 2011, 01:55:06 PM
Since light winds are expected at sundays' race, will your line be closer to shore or outside???
I think your wind will be good.  It won't be 'paddling optional' conditions, but still strong enough for good glides and big fun. 

If I were racing, I'd follow the early leaders.  They pull away pretty fast, but a sharp eye can spot them a mile or so ahead.  They have great knowledge of the tide.  It may be worth asking around before the race.  The paddleboard and oc veterans are wizards.  As this chart shows, the tide will be rising during your race.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/tide700x345.jpg)

The big dogs may head outside or zoom around on the inside.  It all depends on the day.  They also take different lines into the harbor based on the tide.  If the tide is draining the harbor, a current flows against some lines.  You may want to ask them about their line at the entrance.

Personally, in medium wind and a rising tide I seek the shallowest water I can find.  It's not the fastest line.  But I like it.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-5700x325.jpg)     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on July 02, 2011, 02:42:03 PM
Inside or outside line; I think it will be a day best suited for a bullet. Too bad for me  :(
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on July 04, 2011, 09:48:37 AM
First you should understand that all lines of a Maliki run are "shallow" as far as waves are concerned, and the water depth is highly variable. Camp one and kanaha are reef fingers that extend ten miles to the north. We are really dealing with waves that are stacking up in both directions--from the north and from the east. The wave is not the water, it's the energy pulse, and as Larry said, it can extend down a thousand feet, though most of the waves we're dealing with are more like 3-400.

Long period swells are absolutely flatter than short period for the same height-a natural result of the profile. It's why our super short period Columbia river waves make my f18 into a lawn dart and turn the over- rockered Naish glide into the weapon of choice. 

Yeah, I like this stuff and it's the kind of thing that sticks in my geeky head. Like this morning when I was cutting a avocado and said 6.0221415 times 10 to the 23rd to Diane. Girls love that geeky humor, though she diid a good job of disguising how much it turned her on.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on July 04, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
Hey, that's Avocado's Number!

My girlfriend would be a lot more excited if she heard me with a knife in the kitchen, and I was saying 3.14159265 instead.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on July 04, 2011, 10:04:34 AM
6.0221415 times 10 to the 23rd is funny the first time, but most people use it constantly.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 04, 2011, 02:34:52 PM
Here is a link to a noa chart.  Numbers x 6 gives depth in feet.  Click the arrows at the bottom to navigate the reef.

http://www.nauticalchartsonline.com/n.c/Charts/chartViewer.html?viewChart=19342 (http://www.nauticalchartsonline.com/n.c/Charts/chartViewer.html?viewChart=19342)  

I would find it interesting to overlay some winter and summer gps lines on this chart.  Google earth kinda shows the reef, but I'd prefer to see the actual numbers with the red line.  The blue shading seems to follow about 30 feet in depth.  It's cool to see the numbers drop at Pauwela point.  It helps me understand the monsters during the Keanae race.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/soundings700x373.jpg)

South shore is looking good.  NE winds have been steady and fun.  
    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 19, 2011, 09:38:50 AM
We're in the mist of a great roll of great conditions... as evidenced by the great race over the weekend.  This shot was taken by Jeremy yesterday, I'm in the white shirt and the head you can just barely see behind the same wind swell where it's capping is my friend Jimmy Lewis.  We were both on 14's and doing fine... two old geezers out for a stroll.  Also cool taking a break from the radical edge of the Bullet and just cruise on my Cadillac.  Jeremy's new 14' board looked fast and he's offered to let me take her for a spin.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 22, 2011, 11:46:55 AM
All the new arrivals and on-island contestants are enjoying epic downwind conditions this whole week for their warm-ups for the Naish race on sunday.  The wind is forecast to lighten starting tomorrow but we'll keep our fingers crossed....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 25, 2011, 12:39:05 AM
Call me spoiled but light winds will find me on the couch/
Congrats to all that raced the Naish maliko today, sounds like it was a great time.  Cool to see that Dave K. won again.  

I was leery of less than ideal winds at maliko, so I stayed home on the south shore and sat on my couch (oc-1).  Mother nature switched the fan on high for a smoking run to the ManaKai.  Recorded a personal best for this run.  Average speed of 9 mph matched all but a handful of maliko runs.  8+ mph is what I look for on my graphs.  This one has some good runs for an intermediate paddler like myself.  Great fun.  NE winds have been favorable for the south shore recently.  

Today was not what I'd call a 'true' NE wind - where the pressure gradients on the map are truly pointing NE.  The wind is less likely to switch on 'true' NE days.  Lately the pressure gradient lines have been E but weird thermals wrap a  NE down the south shore.  The drawback is that they can switch direction.  

A few days ago it switched direction mid-run.  It was so bad we headed back to the start. Then it switched again so we paddled toward the finish.  Then it switched again, but we pressed on.  Took 1:25 at max effort to finish that one.  Today was 0:45, paddling optional.  

A word to the wise on south shore runs - if you are on a standup, be careful.  Oc-1's are more forgiving.  Standups can be a handful in contrary winds.
  
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/manakai7-24800x230.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/manakai17-24800x311.jpg)  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 25, 2011, 01:16:48 AM
Please be careful on the south shore if the wind may switch.  Here's what I meant by pressure gradient lines not pointing NE.  In the map below, the line is SE.  Local conditions may blow NE and the map can say SE.  Safest bet is when the map lines are NE.  That's what I call a 'true' NE wind.        

Wind goes clockwise around high pressure, counter clockwise around lows.  The lines are pressure gradients and indicate general wind direction.  As you can see below, the line pointing at Hawaii is SE.  Little blue arrows are also wind direction.  

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/graphics/npac.gif (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/graphics/npac.gif)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/weather800x457.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 28, 2011, 12:27:44 AM
Fun maliko today, came within a whisker of breaking the hour.  Wind was nice and steady, perfect for running down SUP's in my boat.  :)

Travis paddled Jeremy's 24" Foote maliko 14 today, no trouble at all.  They will use the skinny board in the channel this weekend. 

Maui teens are shredding maliko.  The next few years should be interesting.  Here are a few pics Jeremy took of Riggs Napoleon in/on oc-1. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/riggs.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/riggs0.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/riggs1.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/riggs2.jpg)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 28, 2011, 09:00:40 PM
Hot damn... that was cool.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 28, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Riggs is pretty amazing.  Top 20 in the Naish race at age 12. 

I got smacked in the shoulder by one of these goofballs today.  It was so quick I had to sniff my shoulder to make sure it happened.  Sniff sniff, yep, that was a fish.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/malolo.jpg)

One of the guys in our group was paddling 6 man when 4 mullets bounced off their boat.  A big one landed in Dave K's lap.  He was startled and tossed it back in the ocean.  Hawaii is so amazing. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/mullets.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on July 29, 2011, 07:18:14 AM
Hit in the shoulder- lucky it wasn't your head. People have gone blind from flying fish injuries. One of the hazards of paddling in paradise.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 29, 2011, 08:59:12 AM
La Per... did you take that pic of the malolo?  I'd kill to get a pic like that but usually you have to be moving to flush them and if you're moving you usually don't have the camera in hand.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 29, 2011, 10:57:48 AM
Pic is from google images.  Want time for pics on a glide?  Get an oc-1.  It's just not fair I tell ya.   :)  Wind was blasting thru makena yesterday.  Woo Hoo! 

Hit in the shoulder- lucky it wasn't your head. People have gone blind from flying fish injuries. One of the hazards of paddling in paradise.

It happened so fast I didn't have time to flinch.  Sunglasses - don't leave shore without them.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 03, 2011, 10:03:49 PM
race season is over but Maliko continues to blaze.  Today was off the charts... again
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on August 04, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
They're forecasting 21 MPH in the gorge today, but my damp rashguard just blew off my board and up onto the garage roof.  Bump and Glide race tonight, should be a good'un. Knee is doing well, grandsons gone back to Michigan. Let the training begin.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 04, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
Yeah I think you need more than 21 mph to lift a damp rashguard up into the air.  Sounds like what we had today... 25 to 40, absolutely incredible.   Italy defaults, US stock market is hammered and I'm riding wind swells down the coast.... strangely... no guilt
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 05, 2011, 11:25:08 PM
Smoking maliko today, 28-38 at the airport.  Perfect wind direction was shoving us in the back.  No sprinting, correction strokes were enough.  Fun day.  F-16 eats crazy steep drops for breakfast.  Thanks MR.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-5700x283.jpg)

Nice tight lines on the map.  Should be blasting again tomorrow.  Looks like it may have enough NE for the south shore to go ballistic.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-52700x483.jpg)

State regatta is on Maui tomorrow, in Lahaina.  LPB's south shore shuttle may be on the road with standups.  Woo Hoo!  These guys have taught me a lot.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/004700x457.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 06, 2011, 11:49:45 AM
Took my friend's everytrail yesterday and registered a 17mph glide.  Don't know how accurate those things are but it wasn't a spike but a rounded hump that sustained 9 for quite awhile off same glide.  Outside Sprecks.  Going into the harbor entrance it registered a 12 and then to the boat ramp I had a steady 8, which is a great way to finish.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 06, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
Another magnificent maliko today.  A fellow zoner and I (forgot his forum name) were close from upper kanaha to the finish.  I was hoping to go easy, but the competitor in me is difficult to restrain.  Wind was ok, fun glides. 

The best part of the run was loaning my oc-1 to Mike Owens, of Aircore Maui.  He's very experienced in ski's and oc-1's.  He's even got a mold for an oc-1, but no boat.  He was ecstatic to get out and paddle.  He posted a very good elapsed time.  Not bad for his first oc-1 paddle in at least 6 months.

My endless summer of downwinding is winding down.  I got called back to work starting Teusday.  Today was 47 downwinders in a row.  Whew.  I'm glad I used my time off wisely.   :) 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 19, 2011, 10:11:01 PM
A small crew of us are doing some finish carpentry in a gated community.  We don't make much noise, but today was a state holiday - statehood day.  The snooty neighbors threw us out of their hood, because they could.  I was ok with it, but some of the guys could have used the day's pay.  Rich people can be so odd.  You would think they might have a shred of compassion in this tough economy.  Oh well, that's life.

The shuttle was almost full.  Strong steady ENE wind at 20-30 mph set up some beautiful conditions.  I've been on the south shore for two weeks, it's been very good late afternoons.  Had a few 9 mph average speed runs, but it ain't no maliko.  Today was 9.1 and it felt a lot faster.  A few of the standups had personal record runs.

I've been focusing on not struggling to get into glides.  The moment I suspect I may not get in, I back off and wait for the next one.  "Don't struggle, keep the boat going downhill"  It's been working like a charm.  Minimal effort with killer glides.  I had a few hard digs to get into pier one swells, but that's it.  Spartan's, camp one and all through kanaha was smooth and easy.  Big thanks to my south shore bro's for the great advice.  And to mother nature for the relatively groomed swells. 

I like how the speed chart looks like the steady heartbeat of the ocean pushing me along.  No radical spikes, just mellow cruising without stalls.  Super fun.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-19800x284.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-191800x350.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 19, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
I went to the oil tanks with a 2 pm launch and ditto what LaPer wrote.  An absolutely prefect day.  I tried to think about the other thread (about best tide for a Hawaii Kai run) when I was out there and attempt to add up all the factors that were making today's run so good.  But my train of thought just disappeared.  All I can say is that it was Bullet territory.  Got to get my camera back from Jeremy.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 20, 2011, 12:36:37 PM
Garmin training center will smooth the data on the graph.  I usually look at it smoothed because it is easier to see the big bumps.  

I took a look at the glide at 49 min. unsmoothed to better understand the data.  It looks to me as though there were 5 smaller waves on the face of the larger, faster moving swell.  If the 5 waves were between 48 and 49 min., each 'mini' glide was about 12 seconds.  This jibes well with my memory of a maliko run.  It's a series of small and medium waves, hopefully on the face of a big groundswell.  

Oc-1's are great for this type of action.  Very little effort is needed to maintain hull speed for loooong glides.  In a boat it's mainly just steering.  Get the hull speed up, catch a ride on a big one, hold back, stay high and fly.  Great fun.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-192618x537.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-193624x563.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 01, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
South shore downwinders have been excellent late afternoons.  Most of my pals  in Kihei are on oc-1 and time is short, so I usually do the canoe with them.  Canoes are faster if the wind dies.  Hasn't lately, but nice not to have to worry about it.  

Had a day off work so headed straight for maliko.  Shuttle was almost full.  Dave K. was coaching a few guys, Kai Bartlett was testing a new prototype xm.  Conditions were excellent.  Broke the hour by a whisker, with minimal effort.  Holding back rather than chasing each and every little bump is really working.  Nice to be going faster with less effort.    

Got a new wood paddle from Mike at Aircore.  Super comfortable paddle.  I really like the S bend on the blade face.  Some prefer a flatter blade, I like this one a lot.  Pictures don't do it justice, it's really a work of art.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/018600x800.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/016800x420.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/027401x800.jpg)

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 03, 2011, 08:30:16 AM
what's the theory for putting the carbon on that side of the blade?  I woulda figured the other side for strength or why put it on at all, except that the blade is whittled down to very thin.  Looks damn nice.

Old surfboards are becoming art objects for the wall but a finely made wood paddle is so much more universal and also subtler than a surfboard.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 03, 2011, 11:09:25 AM
what's the theory for putting the carbon on that side of the blade?  I woulda figured the other side for strength or why put it on at all,/
Carbon is to help lateral stiffness. 

My guess is that carbon is more effective on the back face because - in this application - it will be stronger in tension (rather than compression) over its area.

The handle is very comfortable.  This is the palm side.  It looks like a hybrid of a T and a palm grip.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/DSCF0107700x540.jpg)

Very tight annular rings in the dark side pieces.  The shaft has 11 laminations at the handle.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/DSCF0110700x365.jpg)

9 laminations at the transition.  Very comfy here too.  Very high quality epoxy for the layup.  Catalyzed urethane top coat.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/DSCF0111700x351.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 04, 2011, 09:17:54 PM
I was admiring the top pic of the handle and then it turned into ET
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2011, 08:10:36 AM
Fabulous looking blade. It's a wood version of the new blade we're building. I don't think this guy had all our geek trickery to design that, wonder how he came up with it. The only difference visually is no dihedral and therefore no concave along the dihedral. Other than that it's remarkably similar. I'd love to instrument that and see what it does. I bet it has no flutter and catches like crazy.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: southwesterly on September 10, 2011, 09:12:48 AM
I was admiring the top pic of the handle and then it turned into ET


That's so funny, I saw the same thing then read your comment.
ET lives!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 10, 2011, 11:18:24 PM
Fabulous looking blade. It's a wood version of the new blade we're building. I don't think this guy had all our geek trickery to design that, wonder how he came up with it.

Mike Owens builds them.  He was Owens Ocean Sports in NC, now he and Jeremy do Aircore Maui.  The name Schmidt is inked in the handle of the paddle.  Holm Schmidt is a renowned K-1, surfski and canoe coach back east.  He was in the 88 games.  He received his training (kayak and coaches) at the former East German system of Olympic sports colleges.  He's been coaching U.S. olympians for a couple of decades.  Holm helped design the paddle.   

The only difference visually is no dihedral and therefore no concave along the dihedral. Other than that it's remarkably similar. I'd love to instrument that and see what it does. I bet it has no flutter and catches like crazy.

Yes, it works really well, no flutter, nice flex.  It's a grappling hook upwind.  The spoon back is extremely quiet when trimming the ama.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 15, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
Headmount: 

You are a very lucky guy to have one of Mike Owen's paddles.  They are freaking amazing, and I swear Mike embues them with a soul of their own.  I've paddled his SUP paddle, and it was incredibly smooth, (wasted on me).  They are art; functional paddle art.

Mike's OC-1s are special.  He has the mould on Maui, he should build some OC-1s.  There are ba few in Charleston, but no one will sell.

Of course from reading your posts aboiut Maliko, we already know you are a lucky guy. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 16, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
OPPS, sorry, LaPerouse Bay is the lucky one....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on September 16, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
Fabulous looking blade. It's a wood version of the new blade we're building. I don't think this guy had all our geek trickery to design that, wonder how he came up with it.

Mike Owens builds them.  He was Owens Ocean Sports in NC, now he and Jeremy do Aircore Maui.  The name Schmidt is inked in the handle of the paddle.  Holm Schmidt is a renowned K-1, surfski and canoe coach back east.  He was in the 88 games.  He received his training (kayak and coaches) at the former East German system of Olympic sports colleges.  He's been coaching U.S. olympians for a couple of decades.  Holm helped design the paddle.   

The only difference visually is no dihedral and therefore no concave along the dihedral. Other than that it's remarkably similar. I'd love to instrument that and see what it does. I bet it has no flutter and catches like crazy.

Yes, it works really well, no flutter, nice flex.  It's a grappling hook upwind.  The spoon back is extremely quiet when trimming the ama.   

Spoon backs actually create lift. Probably adds 3 to 5 percent to the catch.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 17, 2011, 05:56:35 AM
OPPS, sorry, LaPerouse Bay is the lucky one....

I agree, Mike is quite a talent.  I'll try to get a picture of one of his seamless all carbon paddles.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 17, 2011, 07:54:54 AM
I'd love to see that new paddle. He was building the plug for the SUP paddle mould last time I was in his shop.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 19, 2011, 12:00:54 AM
Well we finally had a good wind event for today ... maybe tomorrow for this north side and then it lightens up again until the end of summer on the 21st.  Mostly 030 to 050 this late summer and the southside has been the call... until today.  Today really cranked, no swell, perfect.  Took a guy from Santa Barbara and he was jazzed... didn't know he had lucked out big time. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 19, 2011, 12:50:38 AM
Saturday was really good too HM.  I bought a used surfski in the morning and did an oc-1 run at 2.

Glad you had time to get out today.  Paddled about 30 minutes in my new toy. 

It was my first time in a racing kayak.  I was very fortunate to have Mike to talk me through it.  He took some pics for me to help save the memory. 

As I walk in I think to myself, 'this won't be too bad - I was flying the hell out of the ama yesterday at maliko.'

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/005700x394.jpg)

What the, this little bastard is TIPPY.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/006700x392.jpg)

Where the hell is my ama?   :)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/007700x393.jpg)

Mike suggested paddling with my legs in the water.  Sage advice. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/008700x394.jpg)

Still not that easy, but getting better.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/009700x394.jpg)

Repeat this about 10 times.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/012700x393.jpg)

Remounting is not easy, fell back in about half the time. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/013700x394.jpg)

Finally got the feet in.  Full concentration to keep from swimming.  Much faster than an oc-1 in flat water.  Super fun.  Mike says it gets easier very quickly.  Jeremy says he wants to try it.  I hope my skills get better fast.  I want to watch Jeremy and heckle him as he falls in.  IF he falls in.   :)

The ski was much more difficult to balance than my first time in oc-1.  Reminded me of early days of standup.  It's going to take a lot of practice on flat water before downwinding.  Everyone says ski's fly in the swells.  Very interesting boats.  Much faster than I thought it would be.  Hard to balance, but the potential for speed is obvious.  The wing blade is scary powerful.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/041700x393.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on September 19, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
Cool for you that you are getting on the ski.  They are a blast.  And I hear you regarding the wing paddle.  I paddled a 25 miler on Saturday and while I was out in the middle of nowhere with no one in sight I began focusing on the wing while it was in the water.  Started thinking about Pono Bill's recent video posts showing the turbulence off the face of the SUP paddle and realizing that the water off the face of the wing was smooth and clear.  Imagine having a wing SUP paddle.  Have a ball on the ski.  To me there is no finer way to work on that upper body rotation that is a real asset on the SUP. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on September 19, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
I wouldn't be placing any bets on Jeremy falling. Remember the first time he got on the Penetrator? He looked like he was standing on a Starboard Whopper instead of a board with a 22" waterline. I thought I was going to drown myself before I got used to balancing that board.

You're always a step ahead of me Larry. I've been eying surfskis. It's my masochistic reflex kicking in.

Eric--wing paddles are an inspiration. Hard to do exactly what they do with the substantially different stroke angle of a SUP or Canoe paddle, but we're headed in that direction. When a blade has good lift the water behind the paddle becomes an even more important element of the catch. We might even be able to make a somewhat improved OC paddle.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 20, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
LaPerouse:

Enjoy that V10Sport.  I've been paddling that ski for 4 years, and I doubt I'll ever buy another ski.  I love that thing.  I have the Value layup, and I might upgrade to the performance layup, like yours, but I doubt I'll change skis.

The V10S is supposed to be a beginner ski.  There's  group of us that have decided that, being mere mortals, we like a little extra stability when the ocean gets rough, as it allows us to continue to lay down power, rather than brace every other stroke. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 21, 2011, 01:10:02 AM
Yes, the ski's are amazing.  I've barely been able to put together two good strokes so far, but when I do, the boat launches like a rocket.  Much faster than an oc-1. 

Did another short session after work yesterday.  I anticipated my canoe paddling would be a great prepration for the ski, but they are very different.  Some instinctive moves in a canoe don't translate well on the ski.  Leaning back is first on my list of things to adjust. 

I'm anxious to learn everything about the ski as quickly as possible.  My body is already telling me to be cautious. 

To me there is no finer way to work on that upper body rotation that is a real asset on the SUP. 

I agree.  A canoe stroke is more similar to SUP, but the rotation and balance required trump that - by a long way.  My core is feeling it after just a few short sessions.

/ I might upgrade to the performance layup, like yours,/

The V10S is supposed to be a beginner ski./ 

Mine is actually the ultra layup, honeycomb nomex and kevlar.  Feels solid.  The pedal system is brilliant.

Beginner ski?  Guess that makes me a beginner.  The guy I bought it from felt it was too tippy, so he's getting a V-8. 

Here are the traditional pics at Makena landing.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on September 21, 2011, 05:02:09 AM

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Beginner ski?  Guess that makes me a beginner.  The guy I bought it from felt it was too tippy, so he's getting a V-8. 


The Epic V8 is what I paddle as well.  I initially planned to buy a V10S like yours but found the right opportunity on the new V8.  You must be a notch or two above my experience though considering your OC experience.  I am certainly more comfortable in the ski now than I was in the beginning.

I started thinking about an OC last fall and while posting about it here a fellow Zoner encouraged me to look at the ski instead.  His experience was the same as your comment about the OC stroke and the SUP stroke being very similar.  He said that in his coaching experience the ski stroke was more beneficial and helpful on the SUP.  I cannot speak to the OC stroke but I know that the more I paddle my ski the more comfortable I am on my board.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 21, 2011, 09:33:59 AM
I remember that thread last fall, that coach had some great advice. 

As for similarities in the stroke, all I know at this point is that canoes and SUP's like the blade to run parallel to the vessel.  A ski's wing blade angles out at 45 degrees.  That's the goal anyway.

As an intermediate oc-1 paddler, my goal is to be more graceful and efficient.  The fast guys appear to be gliding without effort.  Their stroke drives the boat forward.  My stroke wastes a lot of energy correcting direction and keeping my ama light.  My guess is that my body is overdeveloped on one side.  As a result, I cheat on the ama too much. 

It takes a lot of discipline to let efficient paddlers pull away.  I usually muscle it and cheat on the ama to keep up.  Very similar to a fast swimmer gliding away from a strong guy thrashing behind. 

It's all about reducing drag in the water.  The fast guys and girls can fly the ama on flat water for great distances, while paddling on either side.  That's really difficult, their boats are only 15 inches wide. 

I'm too lazy to train oc-1 on flat water.  The ski should help.  I can feel it already, with only an hour on the water.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 21, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
I found that to really get the ski (if, like me, you don't have prior experience), you have to sell your OC-1 or put in in storage for a season.  The balancing thing can be very humiliating.  But once I got it the balance of the ski, I don't think I will ever go back to OC-1.  The ski is so much more efficient and faster that it is hard to imagine ever wanting to go back.  The skis are like the top fuels of the paddling world.

I'd love to do a Maliko run on a V10. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 21, 2011, 06:49:18 PM
LaPerouse:You are right about that layup, I often confuse the two layups. 

I want to try the V-8 on a big day.  I think that ski would make big conditions a lot of fun.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 22, 2011, 08:46:56 AM
The ski is so much more efficient and faster that it is hard to imagine ever wanting to go back.

I'd love to do a Maliko run on a V10. 

My first day on ski was Sunday, Mike was on oc-1.  I was stunned at how fast the ski's are compared to oc-1.

My scorpius is not the fastest flat water boat, but it's 21-6 x 16.  The v-10 S is 20 x 19.  Based on the numbers - I assumed the ski would be about the same as the canoe.  I was really amazed at how much faster it is, and I can't even paddle it yet.  When I switched back into the canoe after 20 minutes in the ski, it felt like the canoe was dragging a bucket.

Drop a line if you are on Maui and the wind is up,  you can use the ski.  Kai and Lauren Bartlett kill maliko on v-10's.  Philly Gomes too.  We also have a few experienced ski paddlers that do the MCKC series.  They really motor.

I've got 3 months to figure out this boat.  My goal is to paddle the ski on some of the flat water races in January through March. 

Wind was up on the south shore yesterday after work.   The only water I could find was bumpy.  It was very, very difficult.  Small steps. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 22, 2011, 09:39:37 AM
LaPerouse:

Very cool that you enjoyed your first time out on your ski.  Mike will have you flying on that thing.  And if you think the SUP stroke takes a lot of refining, you'll have the wing paddle stroke to work on for years. (In a good way.)

Some of our local Charleston ski paddlers aspire to race in the Molokai in May.  (They haven't said which year.)

I love the SUP stoke, and I love the ski stoke.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on September 22, 2011, 10:05:54 AM
I know this is a Maliko thread but I'm loving the ski chat.  I visit a couple of surfski forums but the vibe just isnt as cool as it is here IMO.  Sometimes I get so focused on my SUP until I get back on the ski.  I just love the speed and how easy it is to upwind.  On the windy days here on the west coast of FL the water gets really choppy.  We rarely see swell and true downwinding opportunities don't happen with any regularity.  Seems like the weather gods just cannot get together on the wind direction and the wave direction.  They always seem to be working in opppoosite directions.  But the chop together with the ski makes me such a much better paddler and I can paddle it in ALL of these conditions.  Hope to get back to Hawaii one day soon and get a chance to paddle a ski in your conditions.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 22, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
Yes, a full ski highjack.  But didn't Randy(?) create the thread and THEN post pics of himself on the ski?  I think ski talk is fair game now.

I began my ski journey when a buddy I had paddled 6 man with told me "you gotta do this."  So I sold my one man, acquired a Fenn Mako XT (same dimensions as the V10 Sport) and spent a season tackling the learning curve.  My experience was first time on the ski, dunk every few minutes (maybe 15 times before I gave up).  The second session I fell half as many times, the 3rd session half as many times as the previous session, etc.  By my fifth time out I was pretty stable in flat water.  By my 10th session I was ready to tackle the Hawaii Kai run.  I probably dunked at least five times my first HK run, but the same learning curve applied there and within 5 to 10 runs I was either staying upright the whole time or maybe dunking once or twice during a run.

Once I was able to do the whole run a majority of the time, I noticed that I was gaining on the guys I paddled with who were still on OC-1; within a few times after that I was beating most of them.  I did the Oahu Kanaka Ikaika short course race season and was steadily improving versus the crowd.

After 8 months on the XT I was doing Makapu runs and I knew I was ready to go to a faster boat, so I got the V10 (regular).  Now THAT boat is a blast once you get the balance for it.  Just keep that big snout pointed downhill and all it wants to do is glide.

Drop a line if you are on Maui and the wind is up,  you can use the ski.

We will be in Maui from 12/26 to 12/30.  Would love to get out there!

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 22, 2011, 11:58:26 PM
The ski is tough now, but it's helping my oc-1 already.  The wind came up again today on the south shore.  I had my ski on the truck, hoping to practice again after work.  An oc-1 freind called, so I took it home an got the canoe.  It was a very fast run, good wind.  A few of the sections had me teetering on the edge of balance, ama up going flat out and about to lose control.  The ski practice gave me new confidence in that tight spot.  I stayed relaxed and it worked out fine.  Turned into a great connection.  It's all instinctive in those moments.  Felt great to zip through a tight spot realizing it was the ski's extra-difficult training that did it.   

No worries hijacking this thread.  Summer is officially over anyhow.

1paddle, bring your wing blade.  The wind can be very good in December.  If you have yet to do maliko, you are in for a treat.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 23, 2011, 07:29:36 PM
The ski doesn't let you cheat on the ama, so it really requires you to improve the balance.  But what is amazing is that the ski is actually easier to handle in the rough conditions (once you get the balance) because it is easier to brace - no "panic" bracing like on the OC-1 when you are paddling on the left but then have to bring the paddle back to the right side to brace to prevent going over.

Will bring the wing, thanks! 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 24, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
But what is amazing is that the ski is actually easier to handle in the rough conditions/
I'm so glad to hear that.  I was afraid my first days at maliko would resemble the relentless beatings I took on standup.  

Today was a fun session with Mike.  He and Tara came over to enjoy the beach and to give me another lesson.  Lucky me.

Jonesey's surf shorts may be around his ankles now, but in ten years he will be punching my ticket with a wing blade.

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Back in the water for me.  It's getting easier, but still very, very difficult.

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I may know it's wrong to lean back and brace next to the boat, but still do it.  It feels instinctive to me, but I'll break this habit.  Or swim a lot.  

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Leaning back again, with too much elbow bend and the pussy limp wrist.  These pics should be funny for the ski guys, hopefully for me too someday.  Rotation is not to bad though.  It's tough to think of so many things to do.  I've a good memory though, so it's all going to happen.  

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I was exhausted after nearly an hour of paddling.  Started to fall over a lot.  Mike encouraged me to take the ski all the way back, but it was too rough for me.  Wind was picking up and bouncing me into the water as soon as I put the feet in.  

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I got back in the oc-1.  It felt like sitting on dry land.  Mike makes it look so easy.  

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MIke and I are paddling early tomorrow.  Should be glassy and much easier.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 25, 2011, 03:08:33 PM
Great pics.  With parents like Mike and Tara, Jonesy is going to be one awesome athelete. He';s liable to have gills.

We had a mixed race here in Charleston yesterday, including SUPs, surfskis, and an OC-1.  Amazing how the skis can catch even small bumps to an advantage. 

I'm thinking of buying an OC-1 just to try it for a while, but this thread is making me re think the idea, and just stay with what I've got, surfski and Sup.   When the conditions line up paddling a ski is almost a religious experience.  Just ask Father Mike, and the Church of the Blessed Forward Stroke.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 25, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
I found that in the beginning always try to keep the blade moving - like a bicycle - even if not really pulling any water.  And not trying to pull too much water with each stroke - just like SUP that has a tendency to pull you off balance.

The balance thing is frustrating (and fatiguing) for a spell, but once you get it it is like a bicycle and you will always have that muscle memory.

Question - is the bucket of the V10 Sport pretty big/wide?  The Mako XT's bucket was and it really helped me to add padding to the sides of the seat so that my hips were in contact with the side of the boat.  Having the additional contact really helped me feel more in control.

The regular V10's bucket is slimmer and I have never need to add side pads to it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 25, 2011, 11:02:36 PM
Yes, the seat is wide in the v10-S.  I may add some foam to the sides.  I added some leftover 1/8" s.i.c. deck foam to the bottom of my seat to add some grip.  It helps a lot.

Today's session with Mike was good.  Just as everyone said, each day gets easier.  I'm gradually getting better at integrating all the advice Mike gives.  It's such a blast when things start to work. 

Mike is an amazing coach.  It sounds like he did a lot of coaching back in NC. 

Still a few of these, but learned to brace out wide today.  Big help. 

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Ski's are weird at first, but I'm beginning to see the light.

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Almost caught my first wave today.  Woo Hoo!

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 30, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Question - is the bucket of the V10 Sport pretty big/wide?  The Mako XT's bucket was and it really helped me to add padding to the sides of the seat so that my hips were in contact with the side of the boat.  Having the additional contact really helped me feel more in control.

I added about an inch to each side and it works like magic.  I've been practicing after work at makena landing - out and back about 200 yards into some wind and swells.  I took a lot of gas the first few days.  I never truly caught a wave, but started to feel good yesterday.  

So I rolled the dice today and did my first downwinder.  It was on the south shore, relatively light wind.  Decent whitecaps in the middle of the run.  About a dozen windsurfers and kiters out having fun too.  

My heartrate was probably at 200 early in the run.  I was terrified of capsizing, not really sure of how I could handle remouting in bigger bumps.  I had a leash on, but was worried about losing a paddle.  As the miles went by without a fall I began to relax.   Mike's coaching all fell into place.  'Sit tall, plant the bade and rotate'.  When the boat began to run, his advice was like magic.  The ski was very manageable, and VERY fast.  

This run is my backyard and I do it almost everyday.  I took it easy, didn't chase anything.  It was tough to hold back.  As you guys know, skis will fall into just about anything and glide like crazy.  It was very, very pleasing.  I only capsized once.  The fall happened in shallow water, about waist deep.  I was able to rest a bit and have a drink.  Only one 'spin out' - to the right.  The ski didn't lose much speed, just sort of motored off in another direction.  My oc-1 usually stalls if I go that far off course.  These ski's are just unreal.  The nose went in only once, stayed under for a long time with no drama.  

Unbelievable how fun and fast ski's are.  This is going to be a great winter.  

Here's the chart, It's going to be interesting to see how the speed increases as I gain confidence.  The average speed was 6.7 mph.  I'll stay on the south shore until my average goes way up - no falls in the toughest conditions.  Then I will head over to the north shore, and start all over again.  Guaranteed beat downs over there.  

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on October 01, 2011, 01:53:24 AM
Hey LPB really enjoying hearing about your ski adventures, my 17yo son and I are loving our Epic V10 Sport as well. It's much more stable than the boat I borrowed at first, that baby was super tippy! I did pad out the sides of the seat of the first boat and it made a huge difference so I'll do it to the V10 as well.
I'm finding paddling the ski much more tiring than SUP at this stage, seem to notice that I'm holding up my arms, need to get some coaching before the bad habits get locked in.
I've caught a few little runners and it's so much fun on the ski, great cross training for SUP and a really good option for windy crappy days. Looking forward to getting good enough to paddle upwind and get into the self powered downwinders.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 01, 2011, 06:05:09 AM
Hi JC, glad to hear you have a ski.  IMO they are better than canoes for SUP cross training.

If I recall correctly, Mike got his first ski on Oahu and paddled without coaching for over a year.  His technique was less than ideal and his shoulders took a beating.  He was off the water for almost a year because of the pain.  He got some coaching in North Carolina and his performance went through the roof.  The exact dates are a bit fuzzy, but the bottom line is that he really knows his stuff now.  His advice to me has been invaluable.  

As you know, ski's are challenging to balance.  I'm still very tentative and wobbly - doing my best to stay upright.  Coaches will let you know where your hands should be.  We may not be able to do it, but the knowledge of what to work toward is very comforting.  

Mike wants me to sit tall, blade fully planted, think about my top hand following the horizon at eye level and ROTATE.  With so much going on, I can barely do it.  But when the stars align and I get it right, the boat rockets forward.  The mechanical link through the core and that crazy wing paddle combine in a profound way.  The best part is that it's almost effortless.  That's why the fast guys look so relaxed.

I'm amazed at how differently I feel about the ski after my first run.  A few days ago I looked at the boat and thought, 'I hate that boat, it sucks'.  Lucky for me I had coaching early.  I knew it would all click someday.  Now I'm dying to get out there again.  

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 01, 2011, 12:08:51 PM

I remember that thread last fall, that coach had some great advice. 


And here it is.

The surfski is exponentially harder to learn than an OC-1 which is why so many people opt for the outrigger (of course an elite OC-1 paddler flies the ama continuously which is even harder than a ski).  That said anybody that can balance well on a SUP in waves/rough water should be able to paddle at least a novice ski pretty quickly.

I believe (and my personal experience has shown) that surfski as a cross training tool is BETTER than OC-1 at least for those who compete at a high level in OC-6.   The biggest reason is that the ski teaches one how to get a big shoulder turn (twist) while staying balanced... that is not true in an OC-1... and it translates to a super well balanced OC-6.  If you think flying the ama on an OC-1 is hard, try it in an OC-6 with 5 other guys all of whom are moving.  The OC-1 allows one to cheat on the ama which allows a lunging style stroke that will never be good. 

Getting that well balanced shoulder turn and conjunction w/ the great tempo that comes from a two sided paddle is a great asset to SUP paddlers who do not have a background in other (unstable) paddlecraft.

Lastly, if you learn to paddle a ski well you will not believe how many open water swells you can catch.  In a recent Molokai crossing the King of Surfski (Oscar Chulupsky) AVERAGED 13mph for over 30 miles!!! Nobody will ever come close to that on an OC-1 or SUP.

...Roger

As I was returning to get my truck at the boardwalk yesterday, I met two long time ski racers, also finishing a run in their v-10's.  You can bet I'll be asking them for info at every opportunity.  Richard is the epic ski rep here on Maui, he helped me locate my used v-10 S.  My first downwinder gave me a good buzz.  It was great to be able to thank him for the advice so soon after the run.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on October 01, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
Thanks L, sitting here at the breakfast table going through the paddling action, lucky no on else is up! Top hand following the horizon, that is such a simple, easy to remember great tip - suddenly the 45 degree stroke makes sense.
Mahalo
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on October 02, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
Cool.  I was hoping someone would refresh this post soon.  JC, thanks for dredging up Roger's old post.  His posts are totally responsible for my ski purchase over the OC.  As I was paddling mine today in a light upwind condition today I was marveling at how smooth it is.  Especially compared to the heavy upwind strokes on the board yesterday using the 9 1/4" Spanker.  Very interested in the conversation regarding correct form and what can happen to the shoulders if using incorrect form.  I am beginning to get a little _tweaky_ in my shoulders after long ski paddles and I know it must be from poor form.  Gotta find someone local to give me some pointers.  The thought of having to take a year off would really blow. 

When I was out yesterday on the board the weather conditions setup such that a strong NW wind was in concert with the wave action.  That coupled with a super low tide created a swell that we don't see often here on the west coast of FL.  Caught a few on the board but got nervous as I didn't take my leash.  As it got rougher I could just see the possibility of my board taking off and me left to swim in.  But in my mind I wished I had been on the ski as I was watching a group of sea kayakers have their way with the swell.

Really got to work on hooking up with a coach.  LPB, I am so glad this is coming together for you.  I guess the bracing comes pretty normal for you with your OC experience, huh?

We may have to talk Randy into letting us start a surfski section on the boards to share all the chat this winter.  Love reading these posts.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on October 02, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
Had a great ski session yesterday on a large flat water inlet and was lucky enough to see another ski out there, paddled over and said hi. We paddled together and I let my new friend go ahead as he was far more experienced. Well I watched his stroke and tried to incorporate what I was seeing and L's top hand across the horizon tip....had a little epiphany and it all started to feel much smoother and more efficient.

After a few k we met up again and I had a little stroke coaching, Geoff said my plant and stroke weren't too bad but my blade release was a bit clunky. He suggested I keep my elbow a little higher, tried that but couldn't quite get it right. But what a breakthrough day, wind was about 15 knots and there was certainly some chop, didn't fall in once even managed a run across the chop for about a kilometer, turned and certainly got some little pushes.

Interesting today I can feel some lower back stiffness, the top of my deltoids and the inside of my thighs and last night I was completely stuffed - must have been some pretty intense concentration going on! Was only paddling for about an hour and a half but that was my longest ski paddle by far. Loving the challenge.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on October 02, 2011, 03:54:44 PM
Thanks L, sitting here at the breakfast table going through the paddling action, lucky no on else is up! Top hand following the horizon, that is such a simple, easy to remember great tip - suddenly the 45 degree stroke makes sense.
Mahalo

You ought to see me when I'm practicing cross-stepping. I do it everywhere. Makes Diane nutty.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on October 02, 2011, 03:59:16 PM
Bill just had a nutty image of you late one evening being asked to walk a straight line by the Highway Patrol, you get into the cross stepping crouch and let rip.....straight to jail do not collect $200
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on October 02, 2011, 04:06:54 PM
I've never been asked to walk a line, but was asked to say the alphabet backwards, which I've been able to do since I was a kid. Blasted it out, cop was stunned, let me go. They expect you to say "I can't do that when I'm sober" which is an admission of guilt.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on October 02, 2011, 07:20:54 PM
I've never been asked to walk a line, but was asked to say the alphabet backwards, which I've been able to do since I was a kid. Blasted it out, cop was stunned, let me go. They expect you to say "I can't do that when I'm sober" which is an admission of guilt.
After you blast out the alphabet backwards and they let you go, that's about the time you hope your wise-ass friends in the car don't say, "That was nothing.  You should see how fast he can do it when he's sober".
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 02, 2011, 11:57:25 PM
I am beginning to get a little _tweaky_ in my shoulders after long ski paddles/
Really got to work on hooking up with a coach.  / I guess the bracing comes pretty normal for you with your OC experience, huh?

Mike told me early on that an improper stroke will 'destroy' shoulders.  He's not prone to exageration.

Oc-1 experience is a big help when downwinding in a ski.  I didn't have to brace much on my first run because I always had a safe line planned out.  It's critical in canoes.

We may have to talk Randy into letting us start a surfski section on the boards to share/  

The admins see all and know all.  No need for another sub-forum, imo.       
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on October 03, 2011, 04:30:29 AM
I'm enjoying the ski posts too.  I dropped my ski for about a year, and only paddled SUP, because we had a local SUP race series.  A ski buddy of mine kept pulling me back into paddling my ski.  Now we have a small group of ski paddlers that are really into racing. I just got skis, OC-1s and prones added to the SUP races.  we had the first combined race, last week.  The Surfski paddlers were grateful to be included, and the SUP racers were happy to have something out front to chase, that they didn't have to worry about beating.

Making the races multi sport races really added a dimension of fun. Now I paddle both about the same amount.  Wind?...take the ski. Glassy?...take the board. Paddling with the fastest board paddlers? ...take the ski, and pace them, and make 'em work, ( while I chat away).
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 03, 2011, 11:59:44 AM
One of the reasons I went to ski was the representation by my buddy that ski paddling was kinder on the shoulders than OC-1.  Not that he's a doctor or anything.  But what I noticed was that my wrists would ache (undoubtedly due to technique - pulling with the arms rather than the body, etc.).  So I got some of those wrist straps and that helped because having the extra material covering my wrists reminded me not to let my wrists break during the stroke.

This thread got me stoked on the ski again.  I took my ski out yesterday and paddled out around Portlock and a short distance up the wall.  Typical viciously confused seas.  Since I'm out of ski practice it was quite challenging, but good practice.  Then I turned around and caught some bumps and remembered "this is why I enjoy this..."  My left wrist is a little sore but no biggie, gotta put the straps back on I guess.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SUP NINJA on October 03, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
Dam it you guys now you have me itching for a Ski again. ;D I have a few things I am trying to accomplish with Body composition. When that goal is successfully met I will tackle this next journey. Paddleon brothers.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 03, 2011, 11:18:30 PM
I'm in the honeymoon stage of ski right now.  Each day is easier, more fun.  Amazing to think that one day I'll have it going in big swells.  Caught a few tiny swells in the harbor this morning and I was so stoked.  Hugely rewarding.   

The key for me now is to never break form.  Balance first, then power, then speed.

Mike was too busy to coach me this weekend, but I'm hoping we can get together next weekend.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 05, 2011, 11:29:49 PM
Speaking of coaching, Zsolt Szadovszki is giving a clinic on Maui Nov 12th.  I just signed up.  12 people in the class, $50.  Technique in part one, including video, then open ocean coaching in part 2.  He won the Maui Molokai this year in 2:46. 

He has a coaching business on Oahu.  He's from Hungary, with a background in K1.  He switched to ski when he moved to the U.S.   

Check out this video. 

Paddling With Zsolt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrN9TGBhQY&NR=1#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on October 06, 2011, 03:30:43 AM
Love that video.  Bet I have watched it 10 times in the last few days.  Seems like it was linked on surfski.info or somewhere the other day.  Wish I could learn to employ that leg pump in my stroke.  He is smoooooth.  Next to paddling ski/SUP I love to watch videos of others doing it with grace like this guy.  Enjoy your class with him. I cannot even imagine how cool that would be.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on October 06, 2011, 09:40:05 AM
L--I was already getting intrigued with surfskis, then you had to post that "Paddling with Zsolt" video. 

I know I sound like a broken record, but that stroke is exactly like swimming.  Watch how his front hand stays completely still way out in front while his stroking arm pulls through.  It's "front quadrant" swimming--the idea being that a good stroke is not like a windmill, it's keeping your forward arm outstretched, and pausing your hand, while your other arm moves through the stroke.  You don't move your forward hand much until your other arm has completed its stroke and is already well into its forward recovery. 

There are drills to help with this--"catch-up stroke", where you don't pull your hand back to start your stroke until the other arm has moved all the way through the stroke and has come back to touch the forward hand.  Some people do it with a tennis ball, so the front hand holds the ball until the other hand has come forward to take the ball.

One coach of mine had us swimming with broom handles.  You hold it with your hands at either end, and swim.  It forces you to hold the front hand forward and still until the other arm has recovered forward.  It looks almost exactly like Zsolt's stroke.  Just never try it doing fly--you'll break your knees.

All of this gets back to what PB has been talking about in regard to the importance of the catch, and getting a smooth deep catch before applying power. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Strand Leper on October 06, 2011, 09:52:01 AM
Amazing video of Zolt... it looked effortless... it was mesmerizing.

Thanks for posting it.

Tim
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on October 06, 2011, 06:00:53 PM
I'm working on the leg pump too.  Definitely don't have it, but occasionanaly getting in a few pumps just right. 

We have a race Saturday morning.  I get too choose SUP or ski.  9 miles and crossing a harbor at mid tide; I think I'll take the ski.  I'm liable to get stuck paddling in one place if I take the SUP. 

The amazing thing about that Zolt video:  It was taken in 2007, and he's been working on that stroke ever since. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 18, 2011, 09:17:10 AM
My new wing blade, a Kajner 4, arrived last Friday.  I'll post pics of it one of these days. 

Ski is huge in Hungary.  The website for Kajner describes the Kajner 4 blade as suitable for a woman.  That's about right.   :)

Did a ton of paddling this weekend.  Overtraining is easy to do at my age.  I feel fine, but need to curb my enthusiasm in the water or pay the price.  So I went shorter than usual Monday.  4.5 mile downwinder in light conditions was perfect to get me in the water.

The ski was behaving very odd in the light downwind waves.  I couldn't get it to turn very well.  About half way into the run I finally told myself, 'well, some days you got it and some days you don't'.  The ski was running pretty fast as the boat angled across the waves.  I'd have to smash the pedal to the floor to get it to straighten the boat.  After the run, I noticed a piece of foam jammed in my rudder.  The boat goes tail first on the truck.  I jam foam in to keep the rudder straight.  Forgot to take it out before the run.

I was damn glad to see it in there.  It explained the erratic steering.  It was just tight enough to prevent the rudder from holding straight, but would slip left and right if you mashed the pedal full left or right.  Good training to relax and go with the flow.  The angles across the shoulder high waves were very interesting.  It's good to know how the ski's behave if you really need to go side on to the waves in a hurry.  May come in handy with the whales. 

Check out the odd path.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south10-17700x295.jpg)

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on October 18, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
LPB, how do you discipline yourself to not _overtrain_?  I wish I had that kind of restraint.  My old road cycling brain always tells me that if I am not going to exhaustion I am wasting my time.  Guess that's why I am battlling a sore shoulder right now.  I get all excited about being able to _upwind_ in the ski and let the distance get the best of me most times. 

Never have seen one of the Kajner paddles in person but I hear they are pretty similar to the Epic paddles but less expensive.  Are you aware of Patrick Onno?  He makes some beautiful paddles and I have been wanting to contact him about making me a small or small-mid wing for the long distance days.  I currently paddle an Epic mid wing and toward the end of a 20 mile paddle I can really feel it.  Too bad I'm not 30 years old anymore....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 18, 2011, 12:22:02 PM
Hey LaPer, that is a funny story.  Many surfskiers keep a piece of foam with them on runs in case the rudder cable breaks so you can wedge the foam in to keep the rudder straight.  With a free swinging rudder the ski is nearly uncontrollable.  Of course you have to remember to remove the foam before your run.

Riding bumps on the ski is of course a bit different than on SUP.  Because of the minimal amount of rocker and nearly full displacement hull, it is nearly essential to angle the bumps rather than go straight down - going straight down almost guarantees burying the nose in the bump in front of you.  Also, with the faster speeds of the ski you can railroad bumps much easier so you need to focus on a larger area in front of you - maybe two to three bumps ahead to choose the line which gives the best push through the series.

On the Mako XT I had this issue where when I would be riding down the face of a swell which was coming from my left (bending in from Portlock, a regular occurrence on the HK run), if the top of the wave crumbled it could fill my cockpit with almost a small bathtub amount of water, immediately killing my glide and taking me a little while to get the water out of the boat.  So what I learned to do is to lean the boat to the right away from the wave to prevent the wave from depositing a massive amount of water in the cockpit.  Counter intuitive since I was leaning towards the downhill side of the wave but the technique worked.  For whatever reason the "bathtub o water" situation never seemed to happen on the V10 so I do not need that trick anymore.

I'd be interested to see that Kajner blade.  I never upgraded from my Fenn mid-wing.  A very mild wing blade.  Since I almost never do flat water on the ski I kind of like that the blade does not grab as much water; it allows me to achieve a higher cadence and not try to pull as much water each stroke.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 19, 2011, 12:35:07 AM
The Kajner is high quality at a good price.  The size I have is just a tad smaller than an epic mid, with a similar shape.  The epics are about 3 oz. lighter (advertised weight),  Some refer to the epics as a Ferrari, the Kajner a Toyota.  The paddle is a lot better than I am and should last for many years.  It has a very nice lever lock.  Good traction on the textured shaft.     

An elite paddle like an Onno sounds great.  I'll bet they are light as a feather.   

As for overtraining, I  watch my weight.  If it goes down too far and won't come up within a day or two, I rest. 

All systems go with the free swinging rudder. Very light wind tonight.  It was flat early, but the light wind created some small bumps about half way across.  Ski's are a blast in small conditions.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south10-18700x321.jpg)

   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 19, 2011, 11:34:38 AM
LaPer, the difference between the two pictures tells the most complete story of the rudder's function.  Skis are helpless without the rudder.

I tried an Epic blade once - they seem to lock into the water when planted.  If I had good stroke technique I'm sure the Epic blade would give me all the bite I would ever need.

Skis probably have their biggest advantage in flatter conditions.  When its all surfing the really good OC-1 paddlers are right there with the fastest ski paddlers.  What I love about my ski is the ability to brain damage OC-1 paddlers once past Black Point - the waves space out and speed up, and the V10 can drop into waves most OC-1s could only dream of catching.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on October 19, 2011, 12:23:43 PM
  I have a small-mid Onno and a mid Epic. The Onno wings are very nice.   Pat makes them functional pieces of art.  The shaft is a little narrower.  They have the lever lock for adjustments.  The Epic blades do have a very solid catch.     I have an older version Epic with the "legth lock" ferrule.  If I brace too hard the feather angle changes, and then on the next stroke I go right over and into the water.   I use an odd feather of 35°.   

Based on Mike's input I may try a Turbo wing next, if I don't get a Ke'Nalu SUP paddle instead.  (Choices, choices...)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on October 19, 2011, 02:05:15 PM

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south10-18700x321.jpg)

   
Looks like they just installed lane lines at Maliko.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on October 19, 2011, 02:16:24 PM
Not maliko.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 20, 2011, 08:34:00 AM
South shore PDX.  'Maliko' may be in the title of the thread, but it's been completely hijacked by the ski's.  I'll put a big stamp "not maliko" in future runs.   :)

Your comments about front quadrant swimming are a useful reminder to keep the top hand out front.  That sets up the ability to rotate.    

It's not easy to remember all the cardinal rules of form on a ski when downwinding.  It's getting better fast though.  As a beginner, I should be on flat water - with a coach yelling at me.    But downwind is all I have in the afternoons.  Hundreds of oc-1 runs on the course is a big help.    

When the line on a wave is correct it allows the paddler to relax.  Power needs to be on call for acceleration into the next glide.  When the paddler can relax, sit up and rotate, wonderful things happen.  The wing blade catches the water and the core delivers effortless power.  That power opens the door to faster links.  And round and round she goes.    

Late evening tide is draining the south shore.  This makes it very tough to get glides.  

Unless you have a ski.   :)

What I love about my ski is the ability to brain damage OC-1 paddlers once past Black Point - the waves space out and speed up, and the V10 can drop into waves most OC-1s could only dream of catching.

Brain damaging oc's is my life's goal.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.  Some 6 man crews were training last night.  I heard them behind me for awhile.  Not sure who it was, but I'll find out.  They were back there for about 10 minutes and I'm not sure what their workout was.  But the draining tide may have had me out front for a while.  I can't wait to find out.  Those guys all want to kill me already for my oc-1 shenanigans.  :) 

Epic is developing a v-14 for flat water.  Almost zero rocker.  Our district rep may have one for the MCKC series.  We have an old salt in a big Fenn that wins all the ski races.  Richard may get him in the 14.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 20, 2011, 11:32:24 AM
Good form on the ski is definitely a balancing act when surfing bumps, as your hips have to boogie with the ocean while continuing to paddle.  Lots of body English which makes that rigid upright posture difficult to maintan.  Also, the upright posture actually makes the paddler more top heavy and more likely to flip.  Like you said, I try to emphasize that upright posture in flatwater, but it usually goes to hell once I get in the bumps.

This video is a good example of how skis can scamper about catching and railroading bumps:

Amazing Surfski DownWindDash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5sVMpIaifE&feature=related#)

Because burying the nose in the swell in front really slows it down, on the biggest bumps I try to keep the ski on the top of the bump, delaying the "dropping in" part as long as possible as this seems to give the highest overall speed, compared to dropping in and then quickly slowing down.

I think the V10 Sport is competitive with good OC-1 paddlers, but the with the regular V10 (or other racing ski) its game over.  Its really not fair, which makes it all the more enjoyable.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on October 20, 2011, 07:41:20 PM
Hey LPB,

What a long way you have come in a month. Read back to a post in late September where you were just starting and now you are brain damaging OC's ....or at least working on it!

Good on you for putting in the hard work to get to that point, looking forward to hearing that you have done your first Maliko run :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 20, 2011, 11:20:18 PM
/ looking forward to hearing that you have done your first Maliko run :)
The wind was cranking today.  It was so strong I had my doubts about launching, but threw caution to the wind.

Very fun run.  It's good to know the bigger swells won't kill me.

Average speed needs to increase another 1.5 mph to equal my best oc-1 times.  That's a good benchmark before heading over to the north shore. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south10-20700x348.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on October 21, 2011, 08:49:23 AM
Quote
I should be on flat water - with a coach yelling at me.    But downwind is all I have in the afternoons.
LaPer, I feel so bad for you.... No flat water, so you have to settle for downwinds..really just breaks my heart, as I sit here on the Atlantic Coast hoping for anything that even tastes like a downwinder.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 21, 2011, 09:15:32 AM
Agreed.  The wind is my friend and I'm very fortunate to have it.

Time to order a camera.  Some video of myself will help.  Zsolt's clinic is in 3 weeks. 

My goal is to be ready for maliko when the Z-man is here.  Daily runs are the ticket.  If I'm ready, fine - if not - it won't be for lack of effort.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 21, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
Once you are able to brace on both sides effectively, it will be easier than you think.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 26, 2011, 09:37:20 AM
That's good to hear.  

Sunday morning a group of ski's practiced in the Kahului harbor.  The wind was light yet the swells were beginning to build outside the entrance.  The plan was to go upwind for a few miles then turn and downwind the last section of a maliko run.  I stuck with them for a few hundred yards, then turned back.  It's a whole 'nother ball game out on the north shore.  It was within my ability, but I didn't want to push too fast too soon.  It was fun to feel the bigger swells.      

I'm sticking to my plan of setting a good foundation on the south shore.  The leg drive is beginning to feel natural.  It's amazing how much stability the leg drive adds.  

Average speed on light bumps and flat water has surpassed oc-1 times.  Now I need some stronger winds to knock me around a bit.  

As for brain damaging oc's, I've decided to resist the urge.  It's just not fair.   :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 26, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
As for brain damaging oc's, I've decided to resist the urge.  It's just not fair.   :)
There was this one time a number of very good female OC-1 paddlers got in the water to start a run just before I did.  One of them had a sticker on her boat that said "You Paddle Like A Boi." 

I of course needed to set the record straight in the ocean without saying a word.  Surfed right by her like she was standing still.  My justification was that she was asking for it with a message like that.  OK maybe I deserved a 15 yard penalty for taunting but it was worth it...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 27, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
The best part of the ski for me is the way you can drive your cardio without tearing up a shoulder, or an elbow, or a lumbar.  The trick of course is to try and use good form.  As a beginner - mine stinks - but it still doesn't tear me up.    

It reminds me of swimming.  No other sport drives my lactate levels so high yet does so little damage to my connective tissue.  

The past week has been very intense one and two a day sessions, yet I'm not sore anywhere.  That was not the case with oc-1.  A max effort canoe paddle invariably left a tight spot somewhere.  At 50 years old, I've had enough of pain.

Tonights run was spectacularly fun.  Good solid connections in 5 of 10 south shore conditions.  Average speed is coming up quickly.  

The NE wind should hold through the weekend.  That spells south shore.  I'm ready to rock with my oc-1 pals.  Very pleased that it's all coming along so smoothly.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south10-27700x317.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 27, 2011, 11:26:18 PM
Mercifully easier on the shoulders, but gave me a bit of wrist pain (especially left wrist) in the beginning.  I think for the same reasons canoe paddling hurts - gripping the blade too tightly and trying to "pull" water with lower hand rather than twisting and pushing forward with the upper hand.

I had the ski out on a windless yet painful Hanauma Bay run last weekend.  It was bumpy as heck with no push at all.  My balance was sorely tested.  I've put the side pads in the V10 to see if that helps with getting the balance back.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on October 28, 2011, 09:36:11 AM
Since we have turned this into a ski thread I was curious if any of you guys are paddling a Stellar ski?  Was in a race with some guys last weekend paddling Stellars and they looked....well....Stellar. Of course it didn't hurt that Olympic paddler Reid Hyle was paddling one of them.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on October 28, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
Darn, LaPer, only downwinders, and you have enough time to get in two sessions a day?  You're going to make me hate you.  I'm lucky to get in two sessions a a week.

I've had wrist issues and issues with my upper back.  The wrist problems stemmed from a grip that was too wide, and put my wrists at an odd angle. The upper back problem is from being an old, fat weakling.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 28, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
Never seen a Stellar ski in person but Oahu is not a ski mecca by any means.  They look like pretty nice boats.

Is it just me, or does it seem that ski evolution has almost bottlenecked? It appears to me that the basic shapes and outlines of most racing skis look very similar. 

Tec, I share your pain.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 28, 2011, 11:08:01 PM

Darn, LaPer, only downwinders, and you have enough time to get in two sessions a day?

Early paddles are flat.  Missing a day equals stiff and cranky the next.  It's a millstone around my neck.   :)

Check out the padding I use in my bucket.  The sides are an inch and a half.  Just enough to barely compress when I slide in.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/012523x700.jpg)
 
The sides will be new and improved tomorrow.  This is the prototype and it's getting weak.  Today's run was the first with a seat pad.   3/8" adds comfort without losing much stability.   

Set a new personal record today, boardwalk to the cove.  Pushing new angles across bigger and bigger wave faces is intense.  Had my first truly effective brace across a fast wave today.  Super fun.  The speed potential on skis is outrageous.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on October 29, 2011, 12:11:50 AM
Thanks for the padding photos LPB, looking forward to more showing the new upgraded version.

Wondering how the seat pad affects the hip rotation, I wear neoprene shorts and thought they might grab on the seat padding when you get some hip rotation going. Of course all this is theoretical from my perspective, my heel pushing and knee bending is pretty tentative at the moment...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 29, 2011, 08:01:30 AM
The forum over at surfskinfo.com has a thread about shorts.  Someone makes shorts with two layers of fabric that slip.  Neoprene seems too sticky to me, so I tried two pairs of old cycling bibs (without padding).  Slides great, and they are more discreet.  Soaking wet neoprene leaves little to the imagination, if you know what I mean.   

Surf shorts probably work ok in a ski, but parachute if they catch water.  Much harder to swim in too.  I tried them once in my oc-1, never again.  Twisted knickers are very distracting.

Here are some pics sent to me by the epic rep here on Maui.  His brother in Australia pads his v-12 like this.  That black part looks like neoprene with lycra bonded to it.  Probably very slippery.  I'll ask Richard about it Sunday. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/seat2566x645.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/seat1700x447.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/seat700x449.jpg) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 29, 2011, 11:27:25 AM
Impressive work LPB. I take it you are not a very chunky guy to use that much side padding, or the bucket of the V10S is bigger than I remembered.

I would wear the neoprene shorts under a pair of looser surf shorts (with no butt pad in the boat) to give a touch of padding to the rear and some dignity at kaimana beach at the end of the run. Ski paddling never rubbed me as raw on the backside as OC-1 or six man.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 30, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
Here is a pic of the new and improved side pads.  3 1/2 inch foam noodle cut in half, fitted then contact adhesive.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-10-30004700x544.jpg)

I take it you are not a very chunky guy to use that much side padding, or the bucket of the V10S is bigger than I remembered.
The old v-10S bucket is an inch and a half wider than a v10's.

Paddled the ski - boardwalk to Sorento's yesterday.  Wind was funky so Jeremy tried my oc-1.  Wind died on us so we were glad to be in boats.  He's pretty good in an oc-1 considering it's been 5 years since he's paddled one.  He asked to jump in my ski, I said 'it's too bumpy, trust me'.  So we finished the run, He asked again, I said 'ok, good luck, don't say I didn't warn you'.  He paddled off without falling.   It took me 5 days to get that good.  We paddled around for another 10 or 15 minutes.  He commented on the ski's ability to accelerate into glides.  Imagine that.   :)

Did a morning session today in the harbor with the ski gang.  I'm so lucky to have coaches to help out with all the questions.  My hip rotation is really starting to groove.  Awesome power in the leg drive.

This afternoon the south shore went ape.  Did a run to Sorento's with some oc-1's.  8 of 10 wind conditions, excellent swells.  Biggest waves I've been on yet, the boat was killing it.  Unreal acceleration into stuff I'd never catch in the oc-1.  Missed a lot of links, but it's going to be fine.  No falls.  Average speed came up to 8.2.  9 is my best on the south shore in oc-1. (10 of 10 conditions).  Maliko is getting closer.      
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on October 31, 2011, 03:06:31 AM
Loving the progression of your posts regarding the ski and wishing I had 25% of the downwind opportunities you share.  I am curious about the material you are using for the seat pad.  And are you using it to fill space or for sit bone comfort? 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 31, 2011, 08:12:46 AM
Foam pad in the seat is comfy.  It also gives a better angle for the core to deliver power.  The thicker the pad, the more tippy the ski.  Some use an inch and a half, but remove it for rough water. 

The materiel is leftover from an old dakine bag.  It's slippery and stiff.  Very similar to foam noodle foam. 

A few strips under the rear bungee grip the paddle for walking. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2011-10-30008700x393.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 31, 2011, 01:30:46 PM
LPB, the half-noodle thing looks trick.  Does a thicker pad really make the boat more tippy?  I know with the wider bucket seat of the Mako XT some paddling was necessary to prevent me from sliding and sloshing around in the bucket when the conditions got rough, but I never experimented to the extent you have in putting that much padding.  I just used a couple pieces of 5/8" (I think) foam paddling which did not hold me in tight, but gave me enough of a contact with my boat and improved my stability significantly.

With the V10 I never put any paddling in before, but after my last paddle I did and I hope to test it this week.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 31, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
Yes, the coaches tell me that sitting on a pad makes the ski more tippy.  I can feel the difference with the 3/8 under me.  When I emailed the photo of my 3/8 pad to our island rep. (Richard) he said to take it out when the water gets rough.  Mine is glued in for now.  I'm still experimenting.   

Mike uses 1 1/2" in a V-10 and has suggested I try it.  He can be more hard - nosed than Richard about coaching though.  I've been doing ok, so he may want to knock me down a peg.  His coach back east was downright mean.  He would literally make people weep.  I've worked for people like that.  The rough edges are easy to overlook when you realize they just want you to STFU and listen.  They always have the most to teach. 

Mike isn't mean at all, quite the contrary.  But, imo, the suggestion to try an inch and a half pad is pretty crazy.  I'll just ask him what's up with that.  I'm an old man, I don't want to slip a disk.  :)     

Zsolt will be here in a few weeks.  He's based on Oahu.  If I were you, I'd look him up.  My advice to anyone on ski is to only listen to the real experts.  The equipment and technique is so complex...   

http://www.zsoltski.com/ (http://www.zsoltski.com/)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on October 31, 2011, 05:21:13 PM
I misunderstood - I can see why sitting on a pad would make the ski more tippy - I prefer sitting on the boat with no butt pad other than my neoprene paddling shorts.  I was referring only to the pads on the sides of the bucket, I found those made the XT much more stable.

Maybe five years ago Zsolt helped me with some issue with my boat - if I remember correctly he had just become the Epic rep on Oahu at the time.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on November 01, 2011, 04:07:12 AM
laPer: Ypu're making incredible progress.  You have the benefit of good coaches, great conditions, and time. It's a pleasure to see you taking advantage of them all.

I'm not surprised Jeremy didn't fall out of the ski, I'm just surprised he didn't stand and paddle it like a gondola.

Mike suggested the thick seat pad to me, too, and also to go out in challenging conditions, to improve my balance. I have gone out in the (relatively) big conditions, but I haven't padded out my seat. 

LaPer / 1paddle: So the side pads really helped your balance?  I really like the loose bucket in my old school V10S.  I tried a Fenn Swordfish recently, and although I liked the ski, I found the bucket was tight, and the feeling put me off. I'll have to try padding the sides, and throw 3/8 in the seat.

If only I could paddle my board 5 days a week, and my ski 6 I'd get better....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 01, 2011, 08:11:14 AM

I'm not surprised Jeremy didn't fall out of the ski, I'm just surprised he didn't stand and paddle it like a gondola.

A few sessions with a coach to set up his equipment would have him moving right along.  The conditions we paddled in were perfect for brain damaging oc-1's.  Had we switched earlier, he probably would have dropped me.  The elite paddlers here in Hawaii are on a whole different level.  I had forgotten about this pic in the kaiwi channel when I told him it was too bumpy for him.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/jeremy.jpg)


LaPer / 1paddle: So the side pads really helped your balance?

The instant feedback of where the boat is helps me a lot.  Also, the side pads have probably prevented some falls in bigger stuff.  It's like a seat belt if you go way over.  I've overheard Mike and Richard tell others that it's a very good idea.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 01, 2011, 12:11:52 PM
Tec, in my XT (with its wider bucket) I just put in enough padding on the sides (maybe a 4" x 10" piece 5/8" thick each side) so that if the boat started to roll I could push my leg against the pad and not be sliding around inside the bucket.  I never put as much padding as LPB has done so if the boat did huli I was always thrown clear and never ended up stuck upside down.

I think a bit of paddling it did help with my balance and preventing flips in the XT because for me it gave a much more responsive feel to the boat as compared to sliding/slipping around - remember I never used a butt pad so it was possible to slide around in the XT's large bucket.  The regular V10 bucket is much narrower, so I never even used the side pads because my butt wasn't sliding around in the boat.  But after last weekend's miserable Hanauma Bay run I threw the side pads in to see if it improves things for me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on November 01, 2011, 06:02:03 PM
I'll pad out the sides of my V10S and give it a try.  Thanks for the input!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 01, 2011, 06:19:13 PM
Here is a look at the pads on video.  The bucket is really big.  My butt is about average for someone 190, the pads just barely touch.  The seat pad is coming out.  Balance is everything at this point.       

It's my first look at myself on video, other than the vids HM posted. 

Great tool for self improvement.   

Hoping to get some footage of downwinders.  The mount works on the tail or in front of pedals on ski and oc-1 and tail of F-16. 

ski test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54rX63Iux8c#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 01, 2011, 07:42:01 PM
Keep up the good work LPB.  I will try to put on the helmet cam and get some decent downwind footage as well.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 04, 2011, 04:12:43 AM
Here is another camera angle.  This camera only records 29 minutes at a time, regardless of memory.  I could not reach the camera, so let it run.  Boardwalk to the Cove is 40 minutes.  This vid shows how the swells build with time.  The edit is 0 to 1, 5 to 6, 10 to 11 etc., for a total of 6 minutes.  Next time I'll try mounting it in front of my pedals.  A helmet cam sounds interesting.  I'll mount it to my bike helmet.

ski 11-3-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLrgoZaOOnM#ws)   

Here is the line, boardwalk to cove ~ 5.5 miles.  8 mph average.  Very good wind, 8 of 10 conditions. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south11-3-11700x261.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on November 04, 2011, 06:12:23 AM
Very nice.. But just my luck.. Someone in a green shirt and white hat came along and sat down right in front of me making it hard for me to see..  ;D

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 04, 2011, 12:00:24 PM
LOL DJ.  LPB - nice video.  Also, when going sideways to the bumps, have you had a wave break over the seat for the instant "bathtub" of water effect?

But I had a thought watching the video - wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the GPS calculated speed in the lower right (or left) hand corner of the video?  Maybe we could try to mount a GPS in an area where it would be visible in the picture?  I think it would be interesting to see how fast we are going when we catch and ride bumps.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on November 04, 2011, 08:58:21 PM
Great videos LPB, seeing those waves up close, makes me want to get back over to Maui!!

Went for a flat water ski paddle today with the seat padded out, realized on the beach that I wasn't quite 'that' skinny so ended up ripping it all off. Then had a brainwave and just shoved a couple of pieces of 5/8 closed cell foam down inside of my neoprene short, not  exactly a fashion statement but actually worked pretty well. Think Ill try 1" next time for that extra chunky thighs look!

You are really coming on, the video thing is a great self paddle stroke assessment tool, you look really stable now. I can see some difference side to side, I do that too, only reason I know that is because I always get more splash when I lift the paddle out on the right than the left.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 05, 2011, 01:45:08 AM
Yes JC, the camera is a great tool for self improvement.  It's easy to see how breaking the elbows early will wear out my arms.  As you may know, the bucket on the '11 V10-S is 3/4" narrower than the older models.

1P2P, the bucket on my ski was full of water many, many times today. 

Conditions were 10 of 10 today on the south shore.  The angles across the waves were very challenging and often resulted in stalls. At least 10 broaches and 3 falls.  It was great fun to be in such big water.  My average speed was only 8.2.  it would have been 9 in an oc-1.  Flying across waves and linking bumps at high speed is unique in a ski.  I was in survival mode, seldom attacking.  It was as challenging as any big maliko run I've ever done.  I learned a lot today. 

Here is a small clip with the camera mounted in front of my pedals.  It's nice to be able to operate the camera.  My friends Sol and Lauren are in the oc-2,  Donny in the oc-1.  They ran away easily in these conditions.     

ski 11-4-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyOK-qmKLDA#ws)

Here is the line.  Boardwalk to Makena landing ~ 10.5 miles.  Wind was as good as it gets.  Solid glides beach to beach.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south11-4-11700x276.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 07, 2011, 03:03:29 PM
Here is another video with Sol.  We often paddle together when it's just barely whitecapping on the south shore.  He's a believer in easy workouts - focusing on reading the water.  He's been in canoes for 40 years, good friends with all the elite paddlers.  He's a walking encylopedia and loves to talk story. 

Yesterday we strove to catch bumps without effort.  Very same idea when it's big.  Most people hammer to catch waves, burn out and fall off.  It's fun, but not fast.  The best downwind paddlers let the ocean do the work.  The trick of course is knowing when to accelerate into glides. 

Here's a great pic of Sol in seat 2.  They were worried about busting the koa canoe this day.  It was bending under the stress.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/oc6.jpg)

south shore 11-6-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6MxL_X9F3A#ws)       
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on November 10, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
LaPer:

You've made more progress on your stroke in a month, than I made on mine in 3 years.  Of course you probably paddled as much in that month as I did over three years....2 sessions a day and only dewwnwinds to paddle in.  Really it's a shame....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 10, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
Tech, Mike says if I'm going to use a camera to mimic another paddler, choose one.  Large variations exist between elite paddlers.  When I got the camera I hoped to mimic Zsolt.  Gave myself ten years to get like that.  Then I watched myself on film and wondered if 10 was enough.  Reincarnation is probably more practical.  :)

My goal with the camera is to improve rotation.  It all starts with the feet.  One foot pulls on the strap, the other drives the heel.  Knees up and down.  Hips rotate.  Sit bones slide for and aft in the bucket.  Twist the spine.  That's the engine room. 

Shoulders and particularly the elbows should only be along for the ride.  Just like Danny Ching says, break those joints and they get tired, or injured.  They don't add any real power anyhow, they only keep me upright.

Balance is my weak point.  Once in a blue moon the rotation clicks and it all works.  Those moments are rare, but worth waiting for.  Speed will increase in the future - IF I can avoid collapsing my shoulders and elbows.  But as we all know, speed is last in line when it comes to paddling.  Balance, Power, Speed. 

It's tough to keep my elbows and shoulders from collapsing when the wind is light - as the 11-6-11 video clearly shows.  As the wind increases, my form goes steadily downhill.  No pun intended.   :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 10, 2011, 01:13:14 PM
LPB, good take on the mechanics of the stroke.  I found that keeping the paddle moving, even if not grabbing much water, helps with balance.  Almost like a bicycle, as long as I'm moving forward and keeping the paddle rotating its much easier to balance.

Then its just time in the saddle...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 13, 2011, 03:49:16 AM
Zsolt's clinic was Saturday morning.  He's a great teacher.  Individual coaching is very valuable from a real pro.  He paddled with us for about 2 hours and talked for over an hour.  Great personality.  His shoulders look like a couple of bowling balls.  His stories are fascinating.    

South shore was excellent in the afternoon.  Perfect direction, 8 of 10 wind speed.  Super fun.  Z recommended side padding in the bucket of my V-10S - where my calves hit the boat.  Enough to keep the gap between my knees about 2 inches apart.  I put in 3/8 so far but will build it up more.  It helps a lot.  

south 11-12-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBStsqu5Ek8#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 13, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
LPB, it appears your work with Zsolt has really gotten you a nice vertical entry on the stroke (of course when the ski becomes unstable its really hard to maintain that and I have the same issue of putting the blade in at a flatter angle when I'm struggling with maintaining balance).  Your video also shows that issue of how the ski can become extremely unstable as the following bump comes up from behind and you are perched at the very top of the wave.  This is when a loss of balance can kill you as it can prevent paddling that couple of extra power strokes to drop into the wave.

All in all your progress has been quite impressive.  You should be able to handle the 17" skis in short order.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on November 13, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
LPB, another great video and I would agree that your form looks great. Did Zsolt discuss straight arm paddling?  What are your thoughts about that?  I have been putting effort into the straight arm stroke and I can literally feel and hear the boat speed increase as I do so. Staying with the stroke is the issue.  Next thing I know I'm breaking my elbows again. BTW, are you wearing cycling bibs.  Noticed the outlines under your shirt.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 14, 2011, 05:29:13 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys.  

Ericspin, Zsolt didn't mention straight arm and those are 2 pair of old bibs without the pads.  Super comfy and slide good in the bucket.  I'm a mile offshore for most of the run.  The tight clothes will be safer if I lose the ski and need to swim in.

When it's windy, about 20 minutes into the run the swells start to get fast.  I have to sprint like crazy to keep up or get mown down from behind.  I'm 1 mph (avg.) slower than my oc-1 times - arm paddling too much.  It's not efficient - no real power.  My oc-1 pals don't believe me about the efforts required on ski for a beginner.  Glides are longer and easier in a canoe.  I can see the fast links but don't yet have the balance or power to accelerate across them.  Proper rotation will add a lot of speed.  But I need more balance first.  Zsolt's shoulders turn almost parallel with the boat.  It's amazing.

south shore 11-13-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGGViGIFwi4#ws)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/south11-13-11700x242.jpg)

Oc-2's glide like freight trains when they get up to speed.  That ama is about 12 feet long.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/DSCN0035700x455.jpg)    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 14, 2011, 12:45:28 PM
Here is a video with big conditions.  The paddler writes in his comments that his form is crap - recovering from a shoulder dislocation.   IMO, his swell reading is excellent.  

He turns into some bombs toward the end of the vid.  It looks like he does a few hard pulls to keep from getting mowed from behind.     

Think Uno Max DownWind.divx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53SUQRn3iw#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 24, 2011, 08:27:33 AM
Fun late evening paddle on the south shore Wednesday.  Wind was good at the beginning, lighter at the end.  Sol practices flying his ama, I try to get my elbows up.  Fun glides. 

south shore 11-23-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgfQGyv2sGo#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on November 24, 2011, 09:35:08 AM
I really like the afternoon light on the mountain.  Nice to watch.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 24, 2011, 07:06:35 PM
Looks like a milk run LPB - a lot of work on SUP, just fine for the ski.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 26, 2011, 04:15:33 AM
Friday had medium wind to Sorento's.  My body was feeling stiff, so not much rotation, still arm paddling to keep upright.  I blame the winter chill in the air.   :)

south shore 11-25-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt4Mdc1tREU#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 26, 2011, 12:37:33 PM
Did a ski run this morning - no camera. Winds were more northerly (NNE trades) which for HK run means even less fetch and smaller bumps, and even less push once you pass Black Point. Fortunately the ski excels in the flatwater - its still work, but less work than most other alternatives.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 26, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
Wow this afternoon was a whole different ball of wax from this morning.  About as big as the HK run ever gets.  Some incredible rides.  Unfortunately no footage...

Only drawback was that northerly wind made the section after Black Point not much fun as the wind wanted to push us away from the island and we had to claw along Diamond Head until we could come in at Kaimana.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 27, 2011, 08:09:02 AM
It was howling here too.  The south shore is usually very good in NE conditions, but it was a touch too N.  If it goes 20 or 30 degrees at the airport, the wind direction gets shifty.  It was offshore and scary on my oc-1.  I hugged the coast and played it safe. 

It was great early on, but started to get ugly later in the afternoon.  Ugly as in 50 mph gusts blowing off shore.  I felt bad for anyone on standup.  Very windy, very dangerous.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on November 27, 2011, 08:57:42 PM
DANGEROUS indeed! The view from the Pali looking towards N.Kihei was enough for me to think.....How far is Tahiti from here?  :o btw it is neither spring nor summer anymore. However it is still smokin!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 28, 2011, 10:08:14 AM
808, this thread was previously hijacked into a surfski or "what was the run like today thread..."

Yesterday afternoon started out as one of the best 20 minutes of downwinding I've ever had on HK run, then after it quickly deteriorated into a confused, light wind mess.  Another reason I hate that run...all the conditions can seem to be ideal and it can still be more work than fun.  It probably didn't help I was tired from 2 runs on Saturday.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 30, 2011, 03:12:34 AM
Easy south shore run in light wind conditions.  Very fun on a ski, nice workout.  Gradually trying to work on my form.  A forward stroke is tricky to figure out when downwinding.  Reading the waves and balancing takes a lot of my attention.  Relaxing my shoulders helps.  Also focusing on getting the blade out of the water as early as possible.  Any pull past the hip is a big no-no.  Keeping my chin up and chest forward is important, no slouching.  Also trying to get the top hand forward to set up the stroke.  Good fun.  Camera is a huge help.  I'm hoping to get some side shots soon.  Still a long way to go before tackling the north shore on a windy day.  When I can initiate the pull with my legs and hips comfortably, I'll be ready.  Still a long, long way to go.  

South Shore 11-29-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK6w_NS14nM#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on November 30, 2011, 10:48:00 AM
Keeping my chin up and chest forward is important, no slouching.
Amen brother
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on November 30, 2011, 10:57:14 AM
Really cool.  I can't wait to see you on a ripping Maliko with that thing.  I think you'll need a drag chute to slow down enough.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 30, 2011, 02:28:58 PM
Trust me, at the rate I'm going it may not be for another year.  My view on downwinding in a ski may appear overly cautious to some, so be it.  It's a wonder I'm out there at all. 

It's hard to describe how difficult ski's are (for me) in windy conditions.  When a foamy crest zooms up behind, it can fill the bucket with about 30 pounds of water.  This must be avoided by anticipating the swells.  If I can't keep the hull speed up and/or steer across the waves properly, the ocean starts to eat me.

When hull speed goes down on standup or oc-1, it's not as unforgiving.  I can float along and rest a bit.  Easy correction strokes will keep a safe heading. 

IMO, on a ski, when I fall behind - and get a full bucket - the best option is to sprint into something before getting twisted, mown, rolled and spat out of the boat. 

Another option is to stick my legs out of the boat and rest.  Trouble is, ski's are designed to move.  The big ass on the ski wants to spin with the waves.  Sitting with legs out, correcting direction in the wind and waves isn't easy - but it's an option.     

Once spat, remounting is a can of worms.  The leash, the paddle and the angle of the boat to the waves need to be dealt with.  Again, I'm dealing with zero hull speed and following seas (and wind) that want to twist and roll me as I try to get in.  It's tough even in medium wind. 

Ski people are very concerned with safety gear.  Do the remount a few times and you get tired.  Get tired and the balance suffers. 

Then it can get ugly. 

My goal is to bite off what I can chew. That video of me from the front clearly shows me at my aerobic limit, punctuated with anerobic sprints.  Barely making the glides, using my arms - poor rotation - not good.  No real reserve if I fall behind.  It's a windy south shore run which can be challenging to keep up with, but no where near the mayhem of the north shore. 

A windy maliko would devour me - early on.  Probably before Baldwin.

I'll wait until my core initiates the power.  At this point it's all a bunch of pieces, not yet glued together.  Good fun, but not ready for the big show.  I'm gonna need a hemi to survive the north shore.  Or an epic V-8.

Maybe I'll include some swampings, falls and remounts to help illustrate the rough patches.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 03, 2011, 08:00:39 AM
Friday afternoon's run had light to medium wind, good direction.  The camera mount is moved back three feet, but too low. 

The spin outs show how easy it is to lose control even in light conditions. 

The segment at the end - heading left - is relatively smooth.  In light winds, I steer left at the steepest angle I can manage.  It's good practice for offshore conditions.  Spin out's and stalls are tough to avoid in higher winds. 

south shore 12-2-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtA4cThprJY#ws)     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 04, 2011, 07:28:30 PM
Fun times in the harbor this morning.  Sundays are a social-demo day for epic skis.  Wind was very light so I paddled out a few hundred yards past the entrance.  The north shore always has some swells if the wind is east.  The rides in are thrilling in a ski. 

harbor 12-4-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQiQAFmEa38#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on December 05, 2011, 12:58:41 PM
Hey LPB, I noted on your 12/2 video both of your spin outs were to the right.  I was thinking about it and realized that many of my spin outs are also to the right.  I'm wondering if that is some kind of holdover from coming from OC-1 paddling where you can only lean right; the 'ama does not allow you to lean over to the left. 

The Fenn XT was much more prone to being spun than the V10, similar to what happened to you in the video.  IMO this was because the lack of tail rudder made it more likely that the following wave would grab and bury the tail, preventing me from using the rudder to release the tail and turn back into the wave.  Even though I put a mondo 11" rudder on the boat, once the wave grabbed the tail and started to rotate me out of the wave, I could not turn the boat back to the wave with the rudder.

On the XT, if I faced the situation of being spun out to the right like in the video, I would lean the boat hard over LEFT which had the effect of giving more effective rocker (the extra width of the boat then acting as rocker), and then the rudder (which was being engaged hard left) would help to lift the tail out of the water, releasing it from the wave.  It seems counter intuitive to lean towards the downside of the wave, but it usually would help me avoid a spin and I was more likely to be able to bring the boat back into the wave.

Sometimes it felt like crash test paddling, bouncing around in the bumps, but it worked.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 05, 2011, 10:06:07 PM
Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try.  So many tricks to learn in a ski.  It's getting better for me, time on the water is helping. 

Tonight's run was quite windy.  I was too lazy to risk fast angles across the waves - so I was mainly using the paddle as an ama - often dragging the boat to a safe heading.  Undoubtedly slowed me down, but it's almost foolproof to prevent a broach.  Some days I just want to stay in the boat.  Fun run. 

It's interesting that the v-10S and your xt are more prone to spin out than the v-10.  It should be fun moving up once I get this one figured out.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on December 06, 2011, 11:38:02 AM
I drag the paddle like an 'ama a lot too when its rough.  Plus, although dragging/bracing slows you down a bit, it doesn't slow you down as much as going in the drink.

I don't have enough time on the V10S to know why it does what it does.  I've tried it on a couple of downwind runs and found it was a bit of improvement over the Fenn XT with a touch more tail rocker and improved rudder position (the XT's rudder was too far back I thought), but that the boats were quite similar in terms of stability.  The regular V10 has a bit of tail rocker right behind the rudder, I assume that this has been sufficient for the most part to prevent the tail from getting hung up in the following wave and me getting spun out.  But I roll the V10 onto its sides a lot too - I think this is where skis really have an advantage over the OC-1 - the ability to roll the boat to help control it in addition to using the rudder and paddle bracing.

I just noticed my typo in earlier post - the lack of tail ROCKER, not rudder
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 06, 2011, 10:11:52 PM
Now that you mention it, the rolling is a lot more common for me as I gain experience.  As I gain confidence in my ability to right the boat, I don't panic anymore if it goes over, just kick it up with a heel drive or whack it up with the paddle. 

The comments about rocker are interesting.  I'd never looked at the differences between my boat and others, but certainly will next Sunday at the weekly get together.  Rolling the boat to get the tail out of a spin is definitely on my practice list.

Tonight's run was less windy, but a low tide over a reef had me zooming right to stay in safe water.  It was a blast.  Only one spin out to the right.  Super happy with the ski.  Perfect weapon to get killer glides on the south shore in light wind.
         
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on December 07, 2011, 10:52:29 AM
The extra paddling you installed in the bucket (thus keeping you somewhat snug) is key for being able to roll the boat onto its sides.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on December 07, 2011, 05:23:45 PM
"Sundays are a social-demo day for epic skis."

You guys on Maui are so lucky, you have a local surf ski manufacturer that does socials and demos....I wish we had a manufacturer based here in Charleston, SC that would do that..maybe even show up at local races, demo boats, build the sport...oh, never mind.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 08, 2011, 05:03:47 AM
Yes, it's great here.  It's ironic that Epic has a manufacturing facility in South Carolina.  Oahu has more ski's than Maui.  Richard may scale back on our demo days so he can get more miles in.  Racing season starts next month.  

Late evening runs are good all year on the south shore.  The wind was good at the beginning of this one, launched from Kehei CC.  Skirted the reef at low tide and finished at the cove.  Super fun in a ski.  

south shore 12-7-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaEPa_c3g1A#ws)
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on December 11, 2011, 11:25:16 PM
Great video L, you are definitely improving. I did a downwind run last Friday and caught a heap of little glides, then paddled back up wind for about 5 miles into 20 knots. Funny, hadn't fallen in once until about 1/2 a mile from the end then fell out about 4 times in a row, tiredness caught up I guess. I'm still doing this awkward nipple drag then leg straddle thing to get back in the boat, really need to practice the flip around drop the bum into the boat thing I've seen on videos. You made a comment about taking your time before trying a Maliko, sounds very wise to me, I can imagine really having trouble getting back into the boat on a big day and getting more and more tired with every tumble.

Really looking forward to a south shore run in a ski next year, love the water colour in your vids. You are looking strong out there.

How is the padding system working out, I have this 'system' I've been using where I shove a strip of foam down each side of my neoprene shorts...not very flattering on the beach! But I just realised that the higher padding you have would probably work much better in terms of the boat reacting to your hip movement.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 12, 2011, 05:11:20 AM
Thanks JC, the ski is great fun for me.

The side saddle entry seems easier to me.  I prefer entering from the right.  If I fall on the left, I duck under and roll the boat to get the leash on my side.

I'm very happy with the padding up high in the bucket.  Zsolt recommended the calf padding.  It keeps my knees close, which is good for leg drive.  It's good to have immediate feedback. 

Sunday's run was very windy, and offshore.  Very challenging to work in to Sorento's from the boardwalk.  I'm gradually pushing my limits on the south shore.  Still a long, long way to go before a maliko.

south shore 12-11-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKwqVpKegQ#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on December 12, 2011, 07:44:09 AM
Had a nice solo run yesterday. We went over to Wailea to have lunch with some friends, and I took along my old Starboard 12'6" in case there was a opportunity to get in the water. Sure enough, around 3:00 when we were leaving I could see palm trees bending. So Diane dropped me off at the Canoe Hale where the wind was pretty much straight offshore, but I could see some angle further east in the way the palms were blowing. She planned to meet me at the Cove.

Turned out to be a very fun run, pretty much in a swell all the time. Easy to turn at the bottom of the swells with a big ol' surfboard. Made it to the Cove pretty quick--shoulda done Sorrentos. Went to Mala at the Marriot with Diane and had light pupus for dinner, wtched the sun go down. Pretty nice day.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 12, 2011, 08:51:21 AM
/ Funny, hadn't fallen in once until about 1/2 a mile from the end then fell out about 4 times in a row, tiredness caught up I guess. / You made a comment about taking your time before trying a Maliko, sounds very wise to me, I can imagine really having trouble getting back into the boat on a big day and getting more and more tired with every tumble. /

One of the best things about the ski is extra safety awareness.  I too got tired, fell and struggled remounting Sunday.  It's a good lesson for me.  Paddling hard enough to make the glides yet easy enough to have a reserve is a fine line.  I crossed over it and took some gas.  Fell over after remounting, lost grip of the paddle twice.  Had to rest up to get back in.  The north shore isn't the place to learn these lessons.  Ski's are bad news when things go wrong.  IMO, that's why outriggers outnumber ski's 100 to 1 in Hawaii.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SoCalSupper on December 12, 2011, 09:00:27 AM
Fun times in the harbor this morning.  Sundays are a social-demo day for epic skis.  Wind was very light so I paddled out a few hundred yards past the entrance.  The north shore always has some swells if the wind is east.  The rides in are thrilling in a ski. 

harbor 12-4-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQiQAFmEa38#ws)
Ill say it again-i lurk a lot on your guys wave ski thread and am so freakin jealous-great vid LaP!
years ago i bought an Macski Animal-didnt know at the time it was a high performance trick ski-not a cruiser ski (duh!) my lumbars didnt like it and man was it tough to keep upright-i saw some guys supping and have never looked back-there are some really good guys down here at Dpatch who come out and cruise the high tide rollers-looks so fun-maybe someday i will pick one up.
im a bit of a sup surf addict but would like to just paddle out sometimes and cruise.
Only real thing stopping me is my back.
Paddle on you lucky SOB's! ;)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on December 12, 2011, 01:58:53 PM

One of the best things about the ski is extra safety awareness.  I too got tired, fell and struggled remounting Sunday.  It's a good lesson for me.  Paddling hard enough to make the glides yet easy enough to have a reserve is a fine line.  I crossed over it and took some gas.  Fell over after remounting, lost grip of the paddle twice.  Had to rest up to get back in.  The north shore isn't the place to learn these lessons.  Ski's are bad news when things go wrong.  IMO, that's why outriggers outnumber ski's 100 to 1 in Hawaii.     

Hey L, what do you do regarding leashes in the ski, recently I have been using a leash to connect the paddle to the boat, relying on the fact that I will be able to keep a grip on the paddle. Don't know if I'd feel comfortable doing that in big seas though.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on December 12, 2011, 04:31:44 PM

One of the best things about the ski is extra safety awareness.  I too got tired, fell and struggled remounting Sunday.  It's a good lesson for me.  Paddling hard enough to make the glides yet easy enough to have a reserve is a fine line.  I crossed over it and took some gas.  Fell over after remounting, lost grip of the paddle twice.  Had to rest up to get back in.  The north shore isn't the place to learn these lessons.  Ski's are bad news when things go wrong.  IMO, that's why outriggers outnumber ski's 100 to 1 in Hawaii.     

Hey L, what do you do regarding leashes in the ski, recently I have been using a leash to connect the paddle to the boat, relying on the fact that I will be able to keep a grip on the paddle. Don't know if I'd feel comfortable doing that in big seas though.
I thought the OC-1s outnumbered the skis in Hawaii because of the cultural familiarity with paddling outrigger canoes, coupled with the fact that skis have a much more difficult learning curve than OC-1.  But what the heck to do I know?

I leash my boat to my leg.  When I go over in bigger conditions often the boat rolls over the leash and I have to roll the boat back in order to get the leash free.  And yes I have remounted and then noticed the leash going under the boat and back up the other side, requiring me to undo the leash, pull it around and put it back on my ankle.  I would be quite leery of leashing the boat to the paddle, and not a body part, in bigger seas.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 12, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
I too use a leg leash.  It's an epic, very stout and short.  It's attached to the frame of the pedals, up over the front bungee.  The front bungee keeps it high, over the pedals.  It has a caribiner at the calf strap.  I don't think it's long enough to wrap around the bottom of the boat.  
 

  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 19, 2011, 12:51:01 AM
More fun stuff on the south shore Sunday evening.  Wind was medium speed, good direction.  Tebow is looking better, but not ready for my Patriots yet.   :)

south shore 12-18-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD_-8IRt4hI#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 24, 2011, 01:53:55 AM
Wind was very good Friday evening on the south shore.  Great fun after work.  No spin outs today, really enjoying the ski.  The oc-1 and standup still get out once a week, but the ski gets the most use recently.  MCKC races are right around the corner.

years ago i bought an Macski Animal-didnt know at the time it was a high performance trick ski/
/ maybe someday i will pick one up.
im a bit of a sup surf addict but would like to just paddle out sometimes and cruise.
Only real thing stopping me is my back.
/
Get a ski.  Trust me, you won't regret it.  They are tremendous exercise for the back. Oc-1's are good too, but ski's are truly in a league of their own.  My back has never felt better.  If you can do standup, you can do ski.  You just have to build up slowly.  Everyone feels it initially in a ski.  It's the same feeling we all had when starting standup - new muscles.   
 
south shore 12-23-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ3zleOi78M#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on December 24, 2011, 03:40:59 PM
Hi LPB love that crazy left right left paddle brace sequence right near the end, can really relate to that! Put a bit of padding under my bum yesterday because I've been getting a little nerve twitch on one side, but at the same time left out my hip padding, couldn't believe how much less stable it felt! Comfy though...
Found a group of local guys to paddle the ski with, mix of newbies and some very experienced...this is going to be fun!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 29, 2011, 12:56:20 AM
Fun run this afternoon.  Wind was medium, then light towards the end.  Direction was very good.  Ski is getting more fun as my ability to anticipate and deal with spin outs improves.  Nothing beats time on the water.

south shore 12-28-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vEGazOBTyo#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 01, 2012, 11:20:02 PM
Wind is light in this video.  It may not look like fun, but I enjoy runs like this almost as much as the windy ones.  GPS numbers are surprisingly high.  The ski was flying along over 8mph for several miles.  Light conditions are great for experimenting with new angles and links. 

south shore 1-1-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbL1-Hxi-wA#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 05, 2012, 12:17:53 AM
Medium wind at the beginning, then light.  NE and NW windswell began to cross things up in this section.  It was very lumpy and strange having conflicting swells running.  Somehow the ski's are able to knife through and get on the following bumps.  Very satisfying run, good speed.  Video is bouncy due the conflicting swells.

south shore 1-4-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ErZzx0dR4#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on January 05, 2012, 03:26:37 AM
Thanks for continuing to post the videos L, the ability of the ski to ride swells through other messy layers of cross swell is amazing. I'm finding that if I put a big effort in to catch a wave it seems to unsettle me and make the boat rock, notice a couple of times in this vid that you seem to be getting much better at putting the power in and not becoming unsettled. Just got a new Bracsa IV paddle and its made a huge difference, much lighter and cleaner entry.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 16, 2012, 12:34:39 AM
Good luck with the new paddle JC.  I've read nothing but great things about the braca 4.  

As for stability when the waves bash you around, do the padding in the bucket and on the calves.  It feels weird for a while but then dissapears.  You will be amazed at how much skis will roll without spilling you.  Each ride seems to get easier and faster these days.  

There is a very interesting thread about a dislocated shoulder over on the ski forum.  Every beginner needs to be aware of this danger.  I did it last Saturday, and was sore for a few days.  Lucky I didn't tear something.  Spent a few days in the oc-1 and all was good to go.  Today's run was relatively mild.  It looks like my bracing may be too far back.  I'll try to ask an expert about it. 

http://www.surfski.info/forum/1-general/9476-shoulder-dislocation-while-training.html (http://www.surfski.info/forum/1-general/9476-shoulder-dislocation-while-training.html)

Here's a video of today's run.  It's a reverse downwinder on the south shore.  Makena landing to the cove.  I wish we would have done a full run to the Kehei canoe club, it was very, very fun.  The wind was light, but the fetch was excellent.  Good power in kona swells.  

makena - cove (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcuC3NRt2IU#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 23, 2012, 06:21:28 AM
Well I finally bit the bullet and did a maliko.  It was quite exhilarating.  As usual, it was bigger and faster than I expected. 

The ski was faster than I expected too.  I held back from all the big waves.  A few early spills had me wondering if I had the skill to do the entire run.  After about a half hour things began to seem familiar.  I gradually settled in, relaxed and started to have fun.  Crazy fast machines on the open water.     

I'm glad the initial run is over.  It was spooky at the start.   

first maliko on a ski, 1-22-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCqgaNZ_pM#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 29, 2012, 01:05:47 AM
Today's MCKC race was rugged.  1 mile of good tailwind, 2 on the side and 7 of headwind left me a bit disgruntled.  A very odd combo of chop and bumps dumped me about 5 times.  It's not fun falling out in a ski.  It's torture when boats pass as you struggle to remount.  No clean re entries.  Up and over at least once each time.  Oh well, some days you got it and some days you don't.      

The wind was good on the south shore.  I did a late run to to remind me how fun the sport usually is.  No falls here on my home course, so some days you don't got it and some days you do...

South shore 1-28-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv_v9iCNEUQ#ws)
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on January 29, 2012, 09:53:59 PM
Jan 29 and think many people got a run in today.  The surface was crossed up by a sizable NW swell the last two days but the wind was blowing and there were some great glides.  Went short to Kanaha today and it was wild coming in over the reef.  Downwind city in Jan!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on January 29, 2012, 11:56:08 PM
Man, that run about did me in. Next time I say "I'm not feeling that good but I'll go anyway" just shoot me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 30, 2012, 01:17:31 AM
Today was an excellent run for me.  Unfortuanately, I only got the first 30 minutes on video.  European tarriff laws prevent consumer grade video cameras from shooting over 30 minutes.  All the best action is across kanaha, which of course happens about 30 minutes into the run.  I was so focused on not spilling, I couldn't even risk grabbing my water.  Stopping to reset the camera was out of the question.  I climbed in the boat too many times yesterday.

The boat was behaving magnificently.  I rigged up a self centering rudder, it really helps.  The experienced guys don't mind a free swinging rudder, but I need all the help I can get.  Now it's nice to be able to paddle into shorebreak with my legs out and have the boat steer straight rather than all over the map.  Seems to help on downwinders too.  No need to constantly worry about the pedal position. 

Here's a link with a few different methods.  I used the foam gizmo under the steering cover.  http://www.surfski.info/forum/20-epic/6072-self-centering-rudder-for-epic-boats.html (http://www.surfski.info/forum/20-epic/6072-self-centering-rudder-for-epic-boats.html) 

Only one fall today, about 9 miles in.  I think the new rudder helped.  Super fun run.  I'll probably mount the camera within reach next maliko.  It was really good today.
    
maliko 1-29-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33bFwo48qUI#ws)
  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on January 30, 2012, 12:16:34 PM
LPB, did you just eyeball the foam piece that you put in for the steering?  Do you find that it limits the range of steering you have with the boat?

Something is dodgy with the Surfski.info forum.  I always have problem logging in to that.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 30, 2012, 10:42:31 PM
1P2P, I made a template out of thin cardboard.  Then traced that onto the foam.  I just happened to have the proper density foam.

As for limiting the travel of the rudder, it may not be a bad thing.  As I'm sure you are aware, over steering a rudder will cause it to stall, (cavitate) and become useless.  I'm terrible about over steering on my ski.  Sometimes I mash so hard on the pedals I twist the rudder in the steering bar.  It's probably a typical beginner mistake.   

Tonight's run was a perfect example of how the foam keeps me from oversteering.  Wind and waves were coming from the right - meaning I had to constantly veer right to stay off the reef.  Lot's of heavy steering to surf well.  Anyhow, I occasionally panic and mash the pedals like crazy, sometimes twisting the rudder crooked on this type of run.  No problem at all tonight.  Rudder behaved just fine - actually felt better than usual on the waves.  I like a self centering rudder with a touch less travel.  The epic rudders have a lot of swing, probably to get around race bouys or something.  I never need that much rudder.  Hence the foam.

I'm going to fabricate the emergency bungee too.  The foam will help if a cable goes, but an emergency bungee will let you steer both directions.
 
I don't have trouble with that website.  I'm a PC, internet exploder.       
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 02, 2012, 05:01:29 PM
I broke my rudder on the V10, and I was probably oversteering.  I was coming around Diamond Head and you get these waves bending/swinging in from the left - kind of doing that horseshoe thing.  On the V10 you can go fast enough to sometimes get a ride down the back (or perhaps spine) of those waves.  So I caught one and was getting a great push, but the wind was trying to push me off the back of the wave.  I was ruddering hard right to counteract that when the rudder snapped.

I'd like to borrow your template - I should make one of those things for my boat.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 06, 2012, 10:12:53 PM
The template is really easy to make.  I used scissors and a thin piece of cardboard.  The foam was packing around a printer.  Jam it in there and center the rudder to the foam.  It works like a charm for me.  You can adjust the stiffness of the spring by ovesizing the foam.  

The black thing is a vent.  I like to vent all my hollow boats and boards on two ends.  When on the racks, I pump fresh air through them with an aquarium pump.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/006.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/005512x515.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 07, 2012, 02:33:10 PM
Looks great, thanks.  And cool idea for drying out the boat.

When the winds are southwesterly do you guys ever do a reverse Maliko?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 07, 2012, 04:02:07 PM
I'm sitting here in the house watching coconuts blow off the trees thinking the same thing. It's pretty offshore (blowing Kona), but it's tempting.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 07, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
The reverse Hawaii Kai can actually be much better than a regular one - you can have open ocean swells unblocked by land.  And the wind seems to blow straight to the blinker buoy (with the safety net of the huge catcher's mitt created by Portlock).

But for Maliko the wind might be blowing you out to sea with no chance of being saved by a landmass.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 07, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Kona winds don't work well on the north shore of Maui (maliko).  But they are tremendous fun on the south shore.  Just like your reverse Hawaii Kai, the south shore gets the big fetch. 

Reverse downwinders on the south shore are amazing.  We only get a handful of runs a year, so it seems like visiting another island.  It's a very, very good run. 

The wind has been too west lately for reverse runs (on the south shore).  West winds set up direct onshore winds.  I had a blast last night paddling straight out, then downwinding back to shore.  Ski's are amazing boats.

The paddlers on the west side of Maui (Lahaina- Napili) have some really good downwind runs in both directions.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 07, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
I tried a reverse downwind southside run last year when we had big Konas for a few days straight. It was a lot of work on a SUP. I think it would be fun in a ski or Canoe.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 10, 2012, 12:53:02 AM
Wind was medium this evening, good direction.  The ski was a blast, as usual. 

south shore 2-9-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ7vrf-eT0w#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 10, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
Yup, I did a bike downwinder about 3:30 Hale to Sorrentos and bike back. Nice run, nice workout, and no tourists ran me over.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 18, 2012, 04:12:21 AM
Maliko #3 and 4.  Great fun in the ski.  I'm way, way outside for all my early runs.  The deep water is much safer. I like to approach the reefs at kanaha from the outer edge, rather than run up the coast and head out as they approach.  It's a slower line, but much easier on my nerves. 

The first video is all early stuff in deep water.  No chance to reset the camera after 30 minutes as it was during a race. 

Camera was started as the reef approached in the second vid.  My line will move in as my confidence grows, just as it did in the oc-1.

3rd ski maliko, MCKC race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6Zi_omIiU#ws)

maliko 2-17-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9zvvuX98I#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on February 18, 2012, 04:49:37 AM
Thanks L, love watching your ski vids :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SoCalSupper on February 18, 2012, 06:58:26 AM
still trolling this thread...have no idea what you guys are talking about wind wise.
can you give me a quick wind education-does a Kona wind smell like coffee?, etc....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 18, 2012, 08:11:07 AM
The word Kona means western side and Kona winds are westerly, which is a reverse direction for normal trades. On the North shore a Kona wind is generally offshore in the middle of the island and sideshore blowing west to east around Maliko. Kona also refers to storms that come from the west, usually from an extreme, rotating low pressure area.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on February 18, 2012, 08:43:10 AM
You know I liked the glare in the 2/27 vid.  It gave me that Victory at Sea feel... a TV show from scary long ago.... B&W.  Thanks again LaPer.

Kona means west but the actual wind from low pressures usually comes from the S or SW.  West is extremely rare and usually happens during the shift from SW to NW (or Molokai wind).  Kona winds are usually wild in nature,  capable of tremendous variation from suddenly stopping to hurricane force.  Boats have disappeared in these winds or get washed up on the reef.  People go a little crazy.  And we, on the north shore, get to breath the dump vapors while Kona winds persist.  The rest of the year everything from the dump blows towards Kihei.

So Cal... The great thing about our usual set up from trades is that we get strong winds from high pressure.  On the mainland strong winds usually occur when a low pressure system rolls through.  Low pressure can mean stormy and erratic.  High; clear and generally consistent.  When you go as off shore as some people go around here, consistency counts.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 18, 2012, 08:55:26 AM
I've been trained by surfing to like the dump smell, a light offshore kona sets the waves on the north shore up really nicely. I call it l'eau de Omapio.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 18, 2012, 10:40:15 AM

still trolling this thread...have no idea what you guys are talking about wind wise.

Yellow x is kanaha, red is landfill, blue is north Kihei.  Arrows are NE trades on the north shore, Kona winds on the south.  

Just to clarify, the landfill is surrounded by miles of canefields.  The odor never reaches Kihei.  If the breeze is near calm, the odor may drift to the north shore.  My guess is that if it's 'blowing konas'  the landfill odor is so dilute as to be unnoticeable.  When the trades are blowing, the odor is gone long before it reaches the south shore.         


(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maui700x546.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 18, 2012, 02:17:41 PM
That's about right, a little 4-5 mph breeze in the Kona direction sets waves up beautifully and scrubs their lovely faces all nice and shiny. over ten they get lumpy and you have to jump on the nose to get down the face. The smell is gone by then.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 19, 2012, 01:30:04 AM
5th ski run at maliko today.  My adrenaline was up from the moment I glanced at the weather map.  The shuttle was packed.  Great conditions.  Some of my South shore pals were there, we really enjoy maliko when it's good.  A group of canoes finished a Kaenae run just before us.  That run is 25 miles.  They said the rain squalls really cranked the wind up to 11.  Must have been great.  Maliko was a 9 of 10.   

I'm still relaxing for the first half and ramping up the effort towards the end.   Outran some oc-2 friends in a last-mile race to the finish, that was quite rewarding.  Skis are such a blast.

maliko 2-18-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJdoKCwenX8#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on February 19, 2012, 02:26:36 AM
You are looking so much more relaxed now L. Are you falling in at all on the Maliko runs?

I've been paddling into some really gnarly head winds and rough seas lately then turning and doing little down-winders on the ski. Still fall in sometimes but the waves are really close and very confused water state so its pretty full on.

I used to do this really weird straddle remount thing but now have the hip swing into the sear down pat, you-tube is a wonderful resource for learning just about anything!

Starting a paddle with a 25 knot headwind in the shore break certainly hones the skills :o

Just wanting to make sure that I can cope with falling in on bigger down wind conditions and comfortably getting back into the boat. Loving the whole experience of learning new skills.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SoCalSupper on February 19, 2012, 06:54:11 AM

still trolling this thread...have no idea what you guys are talking about wind wise.

Yellow x is kanaha, red is landfill, blue is north Kihei.  Arrows are NE trades on the north shore, Kona winds on the south.  

Just to clarify, the landfill is surrounded by miles of canefields.  The odor never reaches Kihei.  If the breeze is near calm, the odor may drift to the north shore.  My guess is that if it's 'blowing konas'  the landfill odor is so dilute as to be unnoticeable.  When the trades are blowing, the odor is gone long before it reaches the south shore.         


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thanks LaP and PB-good explanation!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 19, 2012, 10:59:46 AM
Hi JC, glad to hear you are enjoying the v10S.  

I'm feeling more relaxed on the ski, it's probably from time on the water.  Still in the ski exclusively, I'm really hooked.  

Not falling on the maliko runs.  A few close calls, but emergency bracing gets instinctive.  I'm a bit concerned about dislocating a shoulder in an emergency brace.  It was pretty crazy out there.  Early on, my focus was wandering a bit.  I was having trouble maintaining hull speed.  The seas were knocking my tail around, requiring some hard digs to brace.  That would only stop me, and make things worse.  The bucket swamped up to my armpits a few times.  I didn't go over, but on hindsight it may have been the better move.  The instinct to brace no matter what is strong.  But in strong seas, you get bashed around in crazy ways.  If a the hands are too far behind the shoulders, a dislocation or tear is a real concern.  It's all part of experience and important to recognise that hull speed is paramount when downwinding.  The rough patches can be debilitating for us old guys.  

It was a bit frustrating for a minute.  I was contemplating escape alternatives if the seas got any worse.  Swimming in was on my mind.  Thankfully, the seas relaxed a bit and I was able to get going.  The reefs came up later, the camera went on and it was good fun.

As for remounting, it too gets easier and easier.  I'm comfortable unhooking, jumping out and resetting the camera.  Obviously, it's important to settle a bit and see what's around, but the side entry is easy now.  Try to time it so the swell helps unweight you as you go up, (I'm sure you already do).

Paddling into shorebreak with 25 knot winds is made infinitely easier with a self centering rudder.  You can leave your legs out, (but up and out of the water).  This makes the boat extremely stable.  A few strokes will shoot you straight through, with no worries of going off course.

I recently added a snap shackle to my leg leash.  Unhooking under load is easy.  Have yet to need it, but my day will come.  This one is really nice.  It's forged, with a welded ring.  $50 is a lot for a  tiny part, but it's a leash.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=17733&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50046&classNum=50047 (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=17733&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50046&classNum=50047)    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 19, 2012, 10:45:18 PM
 I was having trouble maintaining hull speed.  The seas were knocking my tail around, requiring some hard digs to brace.  That would only stop me, and make things worse.  The bucket swamped up to my armpits a few times.     
Man reading this is bringing back my learning experience on the Mako XT.  Reminding me of the challenges I faced.  I found that as I got more comfortable in the bumps that I could start to anticipate issues and take steps to avoid them.  One of which (as I previously mentioned) was leaning the boat hard over to prevent a tail spin.  Another trick was to roll the boat away from a large wave coming at me from the rear quarter, which would often fill the bucket with 8 gallons (or whatever it was) and kill all momentum.  I found that I could roll the boat AWAY from the wave coming from 8 o'clock briefly and prevent the instant bathtub in my boat scenario.

As my body got more comfortable with the rolling around it didn't feel as much like punishment, less panic braces, etc., and just part of the experience.  I wonder if the higher speed of the V10 eliminates some of the issues - it seemed to rarely ever do the tail spin thing, and much less of the bathtub thing as well. It also has the ability to go get a bump one bump ahead of you - almost impossible on SUP.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 20, 2012, 05:54:02 AM
1P2P, the tail spin is becoming rare for me too.  My guess is that it's not the v-10, it's just that you never let the boat get so out of position anymore.  It's one of the many things we forget about as we move on.  That's why coaches are so valuable IMO, they see enough of it to quickly spot what is happening.  The rolling is another trick I'm gradually learning.   

Sunday's run was a real eye-opener for me.  Never before have I been so comfortable in bigger waves.  Ski's know more about waves than I do.  I just have to relax and let them go. 

Conditions were excellent Sunday.  Macking east wind, no NW swell.  On a maliko run, if the wind is east like today, it's important to stay 'inside' for the last section of the run.  It's tempting to go 'outside' to avoid any potential breaking waves, but the wind is gradually moving you away from the entrance to the harbor.  It's tough sledding if you miss the entrance.  It was so east today inside the entrance was rugged, particularly with the cruise ship in dock.  That floating hotel creates it's own weather system.     

I usually run outside, but not today.  Great rides from start to finish.  Only one fall, which was a minor inconvenience.  Somehow the paddle slipped from my left hand and I fell to the right.  It was at good speed, but my left foot stayed in the strap long enough to brake the boat - leash didn't stretch.  No spin outs, minimal swamping.  Super fun. 

maliko 2-19-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPhZ-GavDqM#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 21, 2012, 04:58:29 AM
Very windy again Monday.  30 gusting to 40, nice big swells.  I was chasing Devin, Ralf and Lee.  It was quite challenging for me to keep them in the frame.  Conditions were similar to yesterday, if a bit wilder.  Steering and trying to keep them in the frame wore me out.  Once tired, I fell a few times.  Great training and practice remounting.  Very fun day.

maliko 2-20-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOF5sZgVA3k#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on February 21, 2012, 11:30:18 AM
I really love watching your ski video LPB. I have shared before that I am currently paddling a V8. Have been paddling it for two seasons now and am ready to move up.  Thinking about the V10S or maybe a Stellar SR. I have also shared that I am a FL guy and I think we have great conditions for the ski. Nothing like what you guys have in HI but an unending supply of cool places to paddle around the peninsula. Unfortunately I recently accepted a job that has taken me to TN and will probably last a year and half or longer.  Great opportunity but (not to be dramatic) I feel as though my soul is shrinking being away from the saltwater so much. I had no idea how strong my bond is to my home waters. The terrain in TN and the prospects of paddling rivers all year does not excite me. Was home over the weekend and got to paddle yesterday and my heart soared. Those of use that do this because we love it are very fortunate. I wonder if I will last through the life of the assignment in TN? I really miss home and the saltwater. So keep the vids coming. Maybe I should shoot some footage of my paddles so that I could watch them while I am landlocked. Thanks.....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on February 21, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
Best one yet and really loved the upside down underwater shot.  Very cool
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on February 21, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
You are getting better every video L. Great to see the progress, you looked so calm and relaxed in the one the day before.

Paddle on ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 22, 2012, 02:24:59 AM
Glad you lilke the videos guys.  Yes JC, I was more relaxed when I could choose my own line.  Turning and bracing was scrubbing a lot of speed when I tried to keep others in the frame. 

I rigged up a simple head mount today. The angle was too low on tonight's run, I'll try again tomorrow. 

This next video was prompted by HM's comment about the underwater shot.  I re edited Monday's run to include remount ideas. 

remounting maliko 2-20-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm-xzpGk9e4.#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 22, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
Fantastic LPB.  Going over in the ski seems way more fatiguing that falling off the SUP.  Maybe because its so much trickier getting back onto it?

I remember times where my brain would recognize that I was going over, but due to fatigue somehow my arms didn't get the message to 'BRACE IMMEDIATELY' and I would go over, seemingly in slow motion, with no apparent ability to prevent it.  That was brain damaging.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 23, 2012, 02:32:43 PM
IMO, the primary reason re entering is tough is the fatigue that causes the fall.  As the vid shows, with a little practice, getting in is not difficult.  Maybe it seems tougher than sup remounting because of the brain damage.  So close and yet so far...

For me, ski is the perfect tool to teach me to downwind better.  Only in ski is the penalty for sprinting when one should wait so severe.  The ability to accelerate is at your fingertips like none other, but if you miss the glide - it's over.

The new headmount adds the soundtrack of my breathing.  (I won't be including it in future vids).  Yesterday's run had me following some oc-1's.  When I relaxed and found long glides, I ran up on them.  If I sprinted to keep them near, I fatigued and struggled.  

Video is an amazing tool to reinforce proper strategy on the water.

Good for whale action too.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 23, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
Was your last post to have included a video, or the picture of the hat + camera set up?

I think you have a good point about it being the fatigue being the culprit - it causes the dunk in the first place, then you have to get back on (with the legs out as you showed), then get the boat going in the right direction, then pull the legs in, etc.  With the SUP if you are really tired you can lay down on the thing and take a rest if so desired.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 23, 2012, 04:03:24 PM
No video, just the picture. 

+1 on the resting.  No rest for the wicked on ski.  Hanging on to the side is tough on the ego.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 23, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Yes, its a real problem sitting and not paddling on the ski in rough water.  Waiting for your buds to catch up is not fun and requires energy to keep upright.

Hanging onto the side in the water isn't a whole lot of fun and neither is laying across the sides of the bucket getting buffeted around.  The sides of the bucket are kind of pointy and it is not relaxing.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 24, 2012, 11:50:33 AM
The guys in cold water get a ton of respect in my book.  They certainly have their act together.  Imagine the rolling eyes if they read our posts about hanging on to the side!

I've seen some of their vids on the big lakes and in the roaring 40's.  That's some intense massive wave action.  Mad skills on the boys in Lake Superior, Down under and South Africa.  

Paddling with great whites and orcas will never happen in my lifetime.  Far too chicken for that action.  Yikes.        
  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 24, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
Absolutely.  What about the story of Oscar swimming in after losing his boat - apparently didn't end up on land until after nightfall.  Pretty scary stuff.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 28, 2012, 12:51:57 AM
Hey L, did a 15 mile solo ski the other day, had a friend drop me off for a downwinder. Really gave me a chance to take my time and start to get my head around steering the boat by leaning rather than trying to stop it broaching on the wave using the rudder and bracing. Suddenly all became so much smoother, faster and way less effort, started so get some insight into just how fast these things really are.

This is going to become very addictive!!

That's a great threshold on the ski.  It happened for me on 2-19. 

I'm just scratching the surface too.  It keeps getting better...

Nice E swell today.  Should be ripping wind for a few more days.  Delays at work came at the perfect time. 

Downwinding addictive?  Not me, I can quit anytime...  :)

maliko 2-27-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3I-s1OmAjs#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on February 28, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
LPB, just wait until you get on the regular V10; you will look like Smiling Bob on the Enzyte commercials...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 01, 2012, 05:19:30 AM
I'll track down a coach one of these days.  I'm sure they will tell me the V10 is too much boat for me.  My rotation still needs to improve (obviously an understatement).  An elite ski paddler told me yesterday that he watched one of my vids.  he said the quality of the picture was great, but that I stink.  :)

He said to try shortening the paddle and adding more feather.  That should force me to rotate more.  I tried it today in the harbor after the run.  It felt ok, but I'm worried about tweaking something.  So I'll be cautious about changing the paddle on a windy maliko.  A real coaching session is obviously the ticket.     

My butt still gets sore occasionally.  I'd like to do longer paddles, (over 1.5 hours) so I need padding or, more likely, better rotation.  Didn't fall today, but missed a lot of glides. 

Still need vast improvement on swell choice.  Elite canoes drop me quickly. 

Having a great time - a dozen windy malikos in the past fortnight.  And the wind keeps cranking...

maliko 2-29-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYHAuYVsS8#ws)       
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 01, 2012, 10:31:51 AM
LPB, I think you should be commended in taking a ski out in heavy conditions.  IMO if you can handle a Maliko on the V10S you could handle a south shore run right now on the V10.  Another 25 Maliko runs on the V10S I think you probably have sufficient balance to go to the V10 for all purposes.

Technique is another matter, I'm no master there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 01, 2012, 10:43:46 AM
Downwinding addictive?  Not me, I can quit anytime... 

Too funny.  Classic... took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 01, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
As I posted elsewhere, makes heroin addiction look like a vague wish for something salty.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 02, 2012, 01:46:29 AM
maliko 3-1-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rymJmyz3mFE#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 02, 2012, 09:39:26 AM
First day of march and it was finally sunny.  Man what a difference with 1080p.  Crystal.  You notice that high frequency shudder sometimes?  I get that on my board sometimes when it begins to take off and it really distorts the video.  I have this stuff called vibrothane  as a bushing between the mount and camera and it's great stuff but not enough for that.  I think that as you get out towards the ends of the board (or canoe) that vibration can be accentuated.  It doesn't happen enough to really go after the problem for our purposes but I'm always obsessed.  In the middle of the board would be in the way so no answer there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 02, 2012, 05:00:20 PM
1Paddle... don't let LaPer entice you over to the dark side with all the speed that a ski has.  Come back, come back... LaPer actually has switched in the past but he's getting so good with that thing, we'll probably lose him... at least he's got that orange hat
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 02, 2012, 05:37:29 PM
I'm not quitting standup, or oc-1.  It's just a great excuse to be weak in all 3 sports. :)

1P2P has been on ski for years.  He started on an intermediate ski like mine, then moved to an elite ski - a V10.  His ski is much faster - tippier than mine.  Mine is a V10 sport, huge difference.  

1P2P thinks I may be ready for a V10 soon, but he's just being polite.  I want to stay on the V10-S for a long time - trying to get a better stroke.  Slower, wider, more stable boats like mine are best for learning.  Balance isn't the first thing on ski, it's the only thing.  Rotation is king on a ski, but it takes balance.  

I'm to lazy to do flat water, too cheap to pay a coach, so my rotation is lame.  The elite paddlers on Maui tell me I stink, which is true.  If they get polite and tell me I'm doing great, I'll be embarrassed.  I've done the research,  I know the score.  (No offence 1P2P, forum compliments are welcome, face time is different). 

A few months ago I made the mistake of telling someone I'd like to move up to a V10.  2 coaches happened to overhear it.  They were pushing each other aside to try and punch me.  'you punk, you stink' etc.  This is a good thing.  Kayak racing has a huge tradition and history.  Like fast cyclists, the fast kayakers have done a lot of homework.        

On to shaky cameras:

Yes, the vibration is very noticeable.  The pixelation in my point/shoot is probably due to the small shutter, with a little help from the shake.  It seems more common as I drop into stuff.  

The sun was good on the first half of the run, then went behind the clouds.  This vid is on the same day, second half.  It's easy to see how my camera suffers in lower light.  

Philly and Big were on the shuttle.  Those guys are masters at reading maliko.  Chris Dunn and Frank Zajac are also very experienced on outriggers.  I launched and turned downwind before they did.  They came by about 30 minutes later - just after I reset the camera - perfect timing.  Philly and Big were regrouping and talking, so I got a few shots of them.  Fun run.  

maliko 3-1-12 second half (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aKsiu1lvmo#ws)    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on March 02, 2012, 06:05:03 PM
LaPerouseBay--out of curiosity, don't the conditions make a huge difference with different surfski models?  If you were on flatwater, would you be fine in a V10? 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: surf monkey on March 02, 2012, 06:24:16 PM
leperousebay

Your sitting upright that's the hardest part,looks like your having fun and the rest will follow, But yea the stroke needs work.

Haven't paddled skis in a while but have a bunch of friends that still do. Seems like you are just using your arms when paddling. Need to lock out your arms a little and get you body to rotate.

Just looked up K1 paddling lots of paddling video


Learn the right paddle stroke. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXrIrwvD48&feature=related#)


Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 02, 2012, 09:15:52 PM
LaPerouseBay--out of curiosity, don't the conditions make a huge difference with different surfski models?
I'm not quite sure what you are asking.     

If you were on flatwater, would you be fine in a V10? 
The experts say I'd be smart to train flat water on a V-8. 

Also, that I'd be faster in a V-8 than my V-10S - flatwater or downwind.

I believe them.  They've been through the mill.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 03, 2012, 01:01:53 PM
It's amazing how fast those K1's are on flat water.   The world record for the kilometer is 3.22.  That's a little over 11mph.

WR in K4 at 500 meters is over 14mph. 

How fun would it be to have one of these gals for a wife.  I'll bet they could throw a toaster a hundred yards.  :)

Canoe Sprint World Ch 2011: Women's K-4 500 m, Final (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-jGLMe05SM#ws)

Zsolt came over from Oahu to give us a clinic.  He was on the Hungarian national sprint team for 13 years.  He missed the olympics in 2000 by a whisker.  His team (K2 500m) took second at nationals.  The winners qualified for the Sydney games, eventually winning gold.  He's on ski now.

Paddling With Zsolt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrN9TGBhQY#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 03, 2012, 08:10:18 PM
Bill, no worries, I primarily paddle SUP.  Truthfully, my posting on this "downwind" forum has me feeling like an impostor - most of my paddling lately has been flatwater practice in the marina on the ACE.  No time for downwind runs and the wind here has not been great lately.  But with spring coming I'm hoping for more wind and longer daylight hours to get me back in the game!

Until then I will be doing downwind runs vicariously through you guys and the Australia crew.  Keep the vids coming.

LPB, one thing I noticed from your videos was that sometimes the nose of the boat seems to submerge.  Is that actually happening or the is the camera angle making it look worse than it is? 

Those K-4s are amazing, but I rather enjoy the C boats - looks so crazy.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 03, 2012, 09:41:04 PM
One thing I forgot - the beauty of the regular V10 is that even though it qualifies as an "elite" ski, it is extremely stable for how fast it is.  When Epic came out with the V10, its main competition was the Fenn Millennium, as very fast ski, but super tippy.  I got on one briefly and said no thanks.  Soon after the V10 came out, Fenn introduced its Mako 6.  An interesting boat, fairly stable, and it had a ton of rocker (in ski terms).  It was a fantastic boat in light downwind conditions, but in bigger bumps it could be a handful.  The V10 is incredibly stable, even in pretty heavy seas.

Also, I will never have a great stroke.  Ski experts would call me a hack, and they would be correct.  It didn't matter, I still had a blast on it (and still do when I pull it out for paddle).
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 03, 2012, 11:38:14 PM
The submerging nose is no illusion.  It goes down all too often on a windy day.  Sometimes the boat is really moving.  The spray over my feet is so strong i can taste the sunscreen as it gets blasted off my face.  :)

Glad to hear the V10 is stable for a 17 incher.  That's going to be my next boat. 

My paddle went down in 1cm increments from 213 to 209 today.  I also added 5 degrees to the feather, to 60.  I like how it feels.  It seems much easier to make quick stabs and to accelerate.  Definitely a big help when downwinding.  I think it will help me control the boat better.  Seems to be easier to rotate too.   

maliko 3-3-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9J33R2Dx3A#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on March 04, 2012, 03:20:32 AM
Fitted the foam inside the rudder housing today, what a huge difference! Found myself hardly touching the steering and trying to steer by rolling the boat. Also the first few strokes out through the shore break with the feet out are so much easier. Great tip - thank you LPB.

Had a funny experience today, headed up into the wind for a 4 miles before turning for the downwind run home. Wind was 10 to 15 knots and I swear I was actually accelerating down the back of the incoming waves on the way out. Coming from SUP paddling that doesn't make any sense at all, but I like it!

Bought one of the new Garmin 910XT watches and I've been fixing it onto the foot strap, easy to see and great to allow me to track to a destination or follow a course. It has a neat compass face image with a very clear pointer to show heading to the next marked point.

Hmmm faster on a V8, pretty darn sure that would apply to me too, is it ego or ignorance that makes me keep on looking at faster boats about two years before I'm ready??
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 04, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
I didn't paddle the V10S enough to remember that.  The XT had a design which shed most of the water which came over the bow, and it did not end up in the cockpit.  I've paddled other boats where the water coming over the top would flood the cockpit.

The V10 has that huge snout, its nearly impossible to sink the nose.  Only once or twice did I ever even have a situation where the nose was being pushed down, on a huge steep bump off of Portlock.  But trying to shove that massive volume under water was not an easy thing to do.

I'd recommend paddling the new Fenn ski(s) when the time to move to the next boat comes around.  I understand that their new boat is very nice as well.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 11, 2012, 03:07:02 AM
I'm anxious to try a V10 one day.  But for now I'd better stick to the 10S.  This past week has been all south shore.  Smaller conditions are great for rotation drills.  With the camera up front facing back - it's obvious that I need the help.   I'll get there, it just takes time and patience.  Well worth it according to the experts.    

Of course when maliko starts cranking it's all about survival.  Form was the last thing on my mind today.  Effective bracing was the name of the game.  

Huge swells and wind from the east today.  Biggest conditions of the year by far.

I'll try to get some clips of the second half of the run tomorrow.  But the camera will have to be on my head.   No way I'm unclipping the leash to reset a cam if the wind is this big.  Fell once during this run - at the end.  It was not easy getting back in.  Wind took my paddle and I had to swim about 10 feet for it.  I tried to swim to it holding the boat, which didn't work.  So I let go of the boat and prayed my leash would hold.  Man, that was scary.  Fun day.  Very, very big out there.  

maliko 3-10-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZwfZRxZ_c#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 12, 2012, 02:28:40 AM
Here is some of the 'second half' of today's run.  E swell is still big. 

My camera angle is low because the hat slides down.  I'll wedge the camera up in the future.

Very happy with the ski.  I chatted with the epic rep from the big island today.  He's been on ski's and outrigger for 33 years.  He only does ski now.  He prefers the fluid motion.  He's also a personal trainer and says the shoulders get a more even workout than outrigger paddling.  I certainly agree.  I think it's great for us older guys. 

maliko 3-11-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA50gbVkh_k#ws) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 12, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
Tropical Cyclone 'IRINA' - 68.8km/h on a Double Surfski - The Mound - Durban (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-B6R-EYU9M#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on March 12, 2012, 10:26:39 AM
The guys are definitely flying on that surfski! Love the way the spray is torpedoed up past the camera.

Does anyone have other gps data to compare speed coming down a wave - I've heard of speeds of 36km/h riding open ocean swells - do you accelerate that much more when coming down the face of a wave? Phenomenal stuff!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 12, 2012, 01:11:50 PM
Clearly those guys are going super fast, but I have to wonder if 70 kph (around 40 mph) might be a bit of GPS over-exaggeration.  From the video itself, I could easily buy them traveling at 30 mph, but 40 seems a bit over the top.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 12, 2012, 02:34:18 PM
Here's the thread.  The experts will eventually chime in and give their opinion.

http://www.surfski.info/forum/1-general/10565-688kmh-on-a-double-ski.html (http://www.surfski.info/forum/1-general/10565-688kmh-on-a-double-ski.html)

Personally,  I'm not a big fan of garmin connect or motionX on the iphone.  The graphs are difficult to zoom in on.  

If I see spikes on my gps chart, I like to unsmooth the data, zoom in on a particular glide and see what's really up.  Garmin training center on a pc makes it easy for a computer novice like me.  

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Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
« Reply #175 on: August 20, 2011, 09:36:37 AM »

Garmin training center will smooth the data on the graph.  I usually look at it smoothed because it is easier to see the big bumps.  

I took a look at the glide at 49 min. unsmoothed to better understand the data.  It looks to me as though there were 5 smaller waves on the face of the larger, faster moving swell.  If the 5 waves were between 48 and 49 min., each 'mini' glide was about 12 seconds.  This jibes well with my memory of a maliko run.  It's a series of small and medium waves, hopefully on the face of a big groundswell.  

Oc-1's are great for this type of action.  Very little effort is needed to maintain hull speed for loooong glides.  In a boat it's mainly just steering.  Get the hull speed up, catch a ride on a big one, hold back, stay high and fly.  Great fun.  

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-19800x284.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-192618x537.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-193624x563.jpg)

training center on google earth using a pc makes it easy to locate the point in question.  The white dot indicates the time of the big spike. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-191800x350.jpg)

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My nikon coolpix rear display is busted, so a gopro2 is probably next.  It has the ability to link garmin gps through dashware.  That may be a great combo.  I'm not a fan of the fisheye lens and the barrel effect - but don't have the cash for a real waterproof cam.        

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 12, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
Yeah, I certainly do not qualify as an expert.  I had originally posted some stuff supporting my assertion in the prior post that it couldn't be 40 mph, then realized it was all just conjecture and left only my assertion.

My family had a Ski Nautique competition style water ski boat for a while when I was in my teen years.  At full throttle that boat made a little better than 40 mph.  Knowing how fast that felt, and seeing the video of those guys on the double, my gut reaction was "no way" was that anywhere near 40.

Could I be entirely wrong?  Absolutely.  But my guesstimate is that the balance of that wave those guys caught had them traveling far closer to 30 mph than 40.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tom on March 12, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
When I take my Garmin on snowboard trips, it sometime clocks me at 80 mph. My balls ain't that big.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 12, 2012, 09:52:11 PM
It's certainly possible in a wave that size. Open ocean long period waves in deep water do 30-40 MPH depending on wavelength. If that water was less than 500 feet deep then the speed is more like 20-30mph, but still, they are moving at an angle to the wave--say 20 degrees, so that would be 22-34MPH
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 13, 2012, 01:14:59 AM
1P2P, the experts chimed in on surfski.info.  The 68km/hr does not match the location in the video - so the paddlers were just kidding.  Still a freaking fast ride, all in agreement there... 

They were suggesting a speed test at Jaws or Shipstern's.  I'd pay money to see that.  :)

Big fun on the south shore this afternoon.  The wind was exceptional. 

south shore 3-12-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQlirRG2qQ#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on March 13, 2012, 04:32:57 AM
Wow fantastic south shore conditions L, never seen it as wild as that.

Have you had a paddle of a V10, be very curious to know how tippy it feels compared to the V10 Sport.

Had some advice on the Surf Ski forum regarding changing the fin on the V10S to the surf eliptical fin (http://www.epickayaks.net.au/images/shop/v10-surf-rudder.jpg) apparently it makes a huge difference when down-winding, helps eliminate a lot of the broaching.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 13, 2012, 06:39:27 AM
I see you have joined the surfski.info forum.  Wow, nice job on the rack thread JC, you've started quite a battle.  If I didn't know you better I'd think you were a troll.  I'm tempted to join and tell everyone they're all asshats and post a picture of some v-10's on a rack sideways.   :)   Our epic rep does it like that.  RAB is a piece of work.  He knows a bit and loves to bait people.  Every forum seems to have one.  Rope Tom foolery indeed, I wouldn't let him get away with that one.   :)

JC, the elliptical fin in your picture is standard equipment in HI.  If you don't have one of those, you should get one.  I have a carbon shaft one and the new stainless shaft version.   The stainless is more user friendly IMO.  The metal is quite malleable.  I bend mine straight with my bare hands.  Don't fit it too tight.  The slightest bump will bend it a little - causing it to catch on the hull.  

No, I've not tried a V-10.  I'm gradually working to improve my form before moving to a tippier boat.  The 10S is a very fast boat.  Much faster than me.  

Paddling hard while going left on a steep wave is still tricky for me.  It may be a deeply ingrained fear of flipping on an outrigger.  I'm glad to have the stability of the 10S.  It's a nice feeling to know you won't go over even if you make a big mistake.  And I've made some good ones lately.  

I don't fall anymore, but scrub a lot of speed with poor turns.  Leaning back is a natural instinct for me.  It works great in outriggers.  But it severely compromises your ability to use the paddle stroke for stability.  Sitting tall and driving hard to get out of a tight spot is great fun when it works.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 13, 2012, 11:38:47 AM
Jonathan, for a 17" ski the V10 is very stable.  How does it compare to the V10S?  It is a noticeable difference, but hard to say exactly what the differences are.  Best thing to do is demo one.

Anyway, I paddled a 19" wide ski (Fenn XT) for one full season before moving to the V10.  When I made the jump I knew I was ready, because the XT felt like a bathtub it was so stable.

If you almost never fall in your V10S, you are ready for the V10.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 14, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
NW wind was not as pleasant as the recent E winds.  Water was kinda choppy.  The outriggers were bummed.  The ski's didn't mind, we just went a little slower.   

Brain damage.  :)

maliko 3-13-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR9PTSdJ1Tg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 14, 2012, 11:11:36 AM
LPB your improvement is clearly noticeable.  The bracing, rolling the boat, etc.  Experts would still bitch about the mechanics of your stroke but the comfort in the water comes through the video.

Question - did you think 3 months ago that you would be at the level you are now?  Was it easier or more difficult than you expected?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 14, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
Good questions, thanks for the compliments.

I took a look at video from a few months ago and don't have good answers.  It might help to say I'm obsessive about details and have a tough time looking past my weaknesses and errors.

One thing I'm sure of, for ME anyhow, is that proper technique is worth emulating to the best of MY ability.  It takes balance to generate power on a ski.  I don't have it yet, but it's getting better. 

I switched to ski from oc-1 because I didn't have the patience or discipline to develop proper balance - too much cheating on the ama.  It's hard to resist here on Maui because the downwind scene is so huge.  It's always a friggin' race. 

I was hanging ok with mid-packers, but getting severely thrashed by guys in their 60's and skinny girls.  They do it with balance.  That's my goal.  As you know, the ski encourages it.  And the rewards are huge.       
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on March 15, 2012, 01:18:45 PM
I changed the universal fin to the elipical fin on my V10S, thanks to my friend Mark.  It's a better fin, even if you don't do downwinders on Maui.   

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 15, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
LPB, I remember having those same thoughts when I was contemplating switching over to ski, and asking the guy who convinced me.  He told me "its no big deal..."  I guess he was right.

JC, the elliptical fin in your picture is standard equipment in HI.  If you don't have one of those, you should get one.  I have a carbon shaft one and the new stainless shaft version.   The stainless is more user friendly IMO.  The metal is quite malleable.  I bend mine straight with my bare hands.  Don't fit it too tight.  The slightest bump will bend it a little - causing it to catch on the hull.  

Agree, I have never seen an Epic boat here with anything other than that elliptical fin.  (My XT came with a tiny swept back fin that was close to useless in downwinders - if you have something like that it is only good for flat water.)  The original rudder which came in the V10 was the carbon shaft variety, which as I posted about a while ago snapped earlier this year near the end of a run and dropped the remaining portion (actually most of) the rudder into the ocean.  Trying to go anywhere in the ski without a rudder is very difficult.

So I bought a replacement for about a hundred bucks and the stainless shaft version showed up.  I think that is probably a more appropriate material for the rudder shaft, even if it weighs a touch more.  The only problem is the shaft is too long for me to put that cap back on the boat, so the cap is permanently removed.

Other than that, I absolutely love the V10.  Even when I hadn't paddled it for 6 months, I could not bring myself to sell it.  I took it out last night for a windy marina paddle and cranked around for an hour.  What a blast.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 15, 2012, 09:49:21 PM

LPB, I remember having those same thoughts when I was contemplating switching over to ski, and asking the guy who convinced me.  He told me "its no big deal..."  I guess he was right.


That's not really what I was thinking, but now that you mention it, moving into ski really is no big deal.  I'm living proof.  If I can do it, anyone can.

Slater Trout was in the MCKC 3 sisters race last Saturday - in ski.  Rumor has it that Slater may be learning ski to compete in some lifeguard type races.  He really gets around, maybe it's for a competition downunder or S. Africa.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 17, 2012, 02:01:00 AM
maliko 3-16-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HYpwxpe0Fs#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 17, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
Da fish were rad... very rad.. thanks again LPB
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 17, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
I hate to admit it, but after doing a "race" today (typical Hawaii Kai run course) and it was a typical lame wind-but-no-bumps grind, I got a bit resentful at how fortunate the guys in Maui are for downwind.

I'm thinking I should start taking the V10 around Makapu, that is the only run that rivals Maliko on Oahu, but unfortunately it has a mile long prelude to paddle out and around Makapu, then a mean backwash-cross chop for a large portion of the run across the mouth of Hanauma.  Great practice, but not as many unfettered open ocean glides as Maliko.

Makapu would provide great footage, I should try to get my camera set up going.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 18, 2012, 01:15:09 AM
A ski guy in his 70's had a rough day today.  Rumor has it he had to swim in to kanaha.  Apparently the paramedics took him in for observation.  More info if I get any. 

An oc-1 busted a cable and may have lost his boat.  Nobody hurt seriously.  It always causes a lot of concern when paddlers have trouble.  I guess everything is ok until it isn't.

After all that a friend calls later in the day and wonders If I heard anything, and by the way he's watching a smashed boat wash up on the rocks.   :( 

maliko 3-17-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGIaS-2UdzE#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 18, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
LPB... makes me appreciate all the things you do and have as equipment for back up.  I was stoked to hear they found Doug, another Hang gliding pal, before I launched for my run with Keith.  Put me in a much better state of mind.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 18, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
Just watched the vid in 1080p... WOW.  Of course that early start made for excellent light and the second to the last clip was unreal... breaking waves and big drops.  Loved it.  Pretty cool to see your timing and little paddle adjustments. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 19, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
Glad you like the videos HM.

The camera allows me to examine the run and notice mistakes.  The view from behind is very helpful after the run. 

maliko 3-18-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctBCg0AU5lo#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 19, 2012, 01:24:16 PM
Beautiful weather and conditions.  I also like the aspect that camera location gives; the only issue is that the see-sawing horizon is a bit unsettling. 

A necessary evil of surf ski maybe.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 19, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Youtube has a free image stabilizer.  It has a scale of 1 to 10 to choose from, this version is on 2.  If you look closely, the sky bends around like a funhouse mirror.  The 10 version is smoother, but the distortion is more severe.  The picture is smaller too. 

If the original scrolling text is any indication, this version is a lot smoother than the original.  I chose 2 because I wanted to see the white boat moving around.  The boat is almost gone at 3 and the picture continues to shrink as the number goes up.

maliko 3-18-12, stabilized @ 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNTT3aYpGbU#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 20, 2012, 03:22:15 PM
Very trippy man...

I think its asking a lot for any image stabilizer program to try to normalize a video where the horizon is swaying back and forth like that. 

This is one area where the headcam excels in comparison to the camera mounted on the boat.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 20, 2012, 04:00:20 PM
Yes, I agree, the warping images are odd.   You should see them on level 10.

The swaying horizon didn't distract me until you mentioned it.  My focus is on form and the behavior of the swells.  I'm grateful for your input, it led me to the youtube editor.  The editor allows a side by side preview witht the original.  Imo, it's a huge improvement.       

This south shore run was much calmer than a typical maliko run.  I ran it through the youtube editor on +1 for stabilizing.  It was an overcast day.  Brightness and contrast are also set at +1. 

I'm glad to see the rolling of the boat. 

It helps me understand how important anticipating the swell can be.  Relaxed and easy is the key to going fast, but you gotta be going the right direction!   

south shore 3-12-12 stabilized +1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=norl7RkK-Rs#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 20, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Holy crap, what a day you had.  Possibly the best conditions I've seen.  Envious I missed that one.  Loved the storm cloud over Kahoolawe and cloud street to Wailea.  Awesome day for you LPB.  Reminds me that the south shore on the right day is a real treat.  What do you mean by exceptional wind?  30-40?  Video always takes a little steam out of the surface (wind) appearance but it was easy to see the grooves in the swell.  IMO I'd leave out the image stabilization.  Maybe I'm used to a rolling horizon but warp is worse to watch.  This one is perfectly set.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 20, 2012, 10:24:38 PM

/What do you mean by exceptional wind?  30-40?/


Yes, that sounds about right.  Maliko vids get their windspeed from the airport tower.  South shore is a guess.  That was a 9 of 10 day. 


IMO I'd leave out the image stabilization.


Ok.  The originals will go here, both versions will be on youtube. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on March 21, 2012, 04:05:33 PM
Hey L, thanks for putting all the time into the videos and experimenting. Must admit, I'm with Headmount on this one and prefer the unadulterated original. You get such excellent clarity with your camera it seems a shame to lose that, funny I hadn't noticed the horizon moving until it was pointed out! Guess I was focussed on the water state and your paddling too, vicarious Maliko down winding with LPB  :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 21, 2012, 09:08:14 PM
I agree that the quality of the video is better without the stabilization. So long as I focus on the boat and not concentrate on the horizon the videos are fine. For whatever reason the other day the see-sawing horizon caught my attention.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 22, 2012, 04:21:39 AM
I really appreciate the ski banter in this thread. I frequent the surfskiinfo forum as well but the vibe in this thread is more....approachable. The guys over there have been real helpful and have always welcomed me into a thread but they are waaaay more knowledgable about the craft than I am.  LPB, I am sure you have been following the threads by Rob and the others regarding their recent experiences with the V10S and Fenn Swordfish as compared to the elite skis. They seem to be pretty sold on the advantage of the intermediate skis vs. the elite skis in anything other than flat conditions. My personal plan is to move to a lightweight version of an intermediate ski in the next year. My road bike experience tells me that the weight does make a big difference. Not sure how the lighter layups will translate on the ski but I plan to find out. 

I have posted here before that I am a FL boy stuck in TN right now. My work has brought me here and while it is a beautiful place the fact is that I miss the saltwater so much. Part of the allure for me is the unpredictability and changing conditions you encounter in saltwater. The rivers and lakes around TN are pretty but not much challenge.  I hope to use my time here to work on stroke,form and endurance. In fact I plan to enter an 80 mile race on the river being organized in the Knoxville area. LPB, I paddle a V8 and cannot say enough good things about it. And at home in FL I really appreciate the stability especially on those days with a lot of side chop. Anyway, I just really appreciate you guys sustaining this thread and cannot tell you how often I watch your videos to remind me of paddling in saltwater conditions. Although my FL home waters are not as interesting as your Maui waters.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 22, 2012, 01:17:38 PM

I frequent the surfskiinfo forum/ /The guys over there have been real helpful /
  

Agree, particularly with safety ideas.  Ski's are bad news when things go wrong.
 
   
LPB, I am sure you have been following the threads by Rob and the others regarding their recent experiences with the V10S and Fenn Swordfish as compared to the elite skis. They seem to be pretty sold on the advantage of the intermediate skis vs. the elite skis in anything other than flat conditions.


Yes, it's great to hear them reinforce the idea that technique is so important.    

The more I practice, the more I realize that rotation is everything.  My gps numbers are proving it.  I can't do it on downwinders yet, unless everything is lined up perfect.  Still very hard to get that high horizontal recovery and pause, which is, of course a balance issue.  V10S is almost too much for me at this point.  Still great fun to hack around though. 
            

My personal plan is to move to a lightweight version of an intermediate ski in the next year.// Not sure how the lighter layups will translate on the ski but I plan to find out.
  

Light is the way to go.  Resale is better too.  

I wish the think boats were available here.  Those guys are trying harder than epic, IMO.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 22, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
So it's spring now, but still seemed like deep winter today.  Big roll out there and a significant groundswell which crossed up the surface quite a bit.  I went with Pono and RainWaves, visiting from Alaska.  RainWaves did increasingly better as the run went on and finished like a champ.  He picked quite a day for his first Maliko run and was able to snag some great glides.  I was stoked not to get my ass kicked like I did last week.  No broken cords today and it was within the range of possibilities if you made a mistake.  We had one feather right under us.  RainWaves remarked that it seemed large and I told him to keep paddling, we can discuss that stuff when we're on the beach.  I'm sure he's enjoying a beer right about now.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 22, 2012, 09:41:24 PM
So it's spring now, but still seemed like deep winter today.  Big roll out there and a significant groundswell/
/We had one feather right under us.  RainWaves remarked that it seemed large and I told him to keep paddling, we can discuss that stuff when we're on the beach.
Sage advice.  Those were some big swells today. 
 
Some fast ski guys told me to stay outside.  As predicted, pier one was stacking up real high.  I was glad to be on the outside line coming in.  It was fast, fun and safe. 

They passed me about 4 miles into the run.  They were inside of me at that point and later said I was smart to be way out.  They had a few feather under them.   

Today was the first time I gps'ed maliko on a ski.  The temptation to start pushing the conditions is growing.  Gps will only make it worse.  Ski's can motor on those big swells.  Super fun, but too far in is hazardous.   

The yellow line is a potential swim, 2.25 miles.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-22-12600x258.jpg)   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 22, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
Funny angle to the waves today, made them especially tricky, but good for glides. I thought we were out plenty far at Camp One and Kanaha but I had one nearly get me at the east end of Kanaha reef and one even closer when I thought we were out of the danger zone and starting to turn in (we came in at the oil tanks). Then I decided I wanted to surf through lower Kanaha so I angled while Bill and Pete went for the Triangle Channel. Didn't work very well, my board was rounding up with a sticky rudder. Got punted, but not a big deal.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 22, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
 That's pretty far out, literally and figuratively and you know there were moments where I wished I was that far out today.  And folks, LPB's yellow line is probably pretty accurate for a potential swim.  I was just mentioning to LPB the other day that swim googles and at least one swim fin is a good idea.  I've got to get that together.  Know I could do the distance but it'd be a whole lot easier with goggles and a fin.  Not that much weight penalty for a ton of security.  Plus you'd have to have your eyes not cooked from salt water to look up once in awhile to make sure a wndsrfr or ktbrdr isn't about to run you over.

Fun huh?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on March 23, 2012, 11:39:15 AM
 I had been waiting for almost a year now to come here and make this run, and what a day it was! Beautiful Maui weather: Sunny skies, strong winds and a big Ocean lump. Vey humbling to say the least :o
Many thanks to Bill (Headmount) for taking me along, and very cool to have Pono Bill come with us, (finally got to try a Ke Nalu paddle, athough struggling to stay upright may not have been the best conditions to "feel the magic". But, they sure are light!). I can't count how many times I went for a swim (50-60+), and at times it felt like I was seeing more of the bottom of my board than the top ;D
 I have never padlled on my knees once since I started doing this great activity (a year plus), but I spent probably 1/3 to 1/2 of my time yesterday that way: getting out of the mouth of the bay (resembled the inside of a washing maching), spitting back out the ocean after a fall, re-grouping and resting. I did start to get my Sea-legs after a while, and got in a few nice glides from time to time. Wicked fun for sure! Lots of cool sights out there, plus a zillion windsurfers and Kite boarders thrown in, but no time to play tourist, as I was busy tyring to stay on my feet.
 I did take my GoPro along, and have lots of editing to do before I come up with a "highlights" video. As others here on the forum have pointed out, video really does flatten out the size of ocean swells and conditions. The only time you can get a sense for how big it was is when Bill is ahead of me, and dissapears from view over the horizon as the swells roll under us.
 And yes, that cold Beer when I got back to the condo sure was refreshing! (along with some asprin for by banged up knees). Good times for sure, and much respect for those who make it look so easy in all these videos!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on March 23, 2012, 06:17:07 PM
Can't wait to see the vid..  :)

What board were you on?

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 23, 2012, 07:06:08 PM
He was on my 14'6" made by Richard Greene, famous for designing the windsurf line for JP.  It's six years old and still hasn't gained any weight (but it was born at 35 lbs).  Carbon on both sides, doomed deck.  I used it until two years ago when I switched to a rudder board but it's a great downwinder.  Almost flat tail rocker, and the nose rocker is off the template MR used for SIC 16's.  Only drawback is the 35 lb weight which is  heavy for a board that length.  But when it blows hard out here, it's a Cadillac at 28 in wide.  Perfect board for someone doing their first downwinder.  Richard makes his living off of making helicopter parts these days so it's a one of a kind.  RainWaves caught some big glides yesterday.  Tall guy, around 6'3" so he had a high CG and had to get his sea legs at first but he did.

Today was 26-38mph with the swell still giving us some fast heart beats and big drops. Pono and I went and getting out of the gulch was a a real washing machine today.  We were going to go to the oil tanks but we called my wife, while we were still out in the ocean off Kanaha and told her we were changing plans and going into the harbor.  Cracked me up making a call out in the wild blue.  How decadent is that?  Anyway we were glad we did because that two miles before the harbor mouth was as good as it gets.  But inside the harbor there was a tug by the Matson barge spewing a ton of fumes... so we paid.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 23, 2012, 07:31:45 PM
Pete did great. I've taken people out on Maliko runs that did the whole run on their knees. He got some great glides and was stoked the whole way, though I did note that he wasn't ready for lap 2. And it might take a few days for his eyes to get normal size. Watching a 25 foot swell come rolling at you with the top feathering has a certain excitement about it,

Glad we didn't have anyone else along today. I don't know about Mr. HM, but I was paddling for my life at camp one. The swells were breaking hard and even pitching out a bit way out on my chicken line. No such thing as a safe line today. The swells were really steep. Tons of fun, and lots of long, deep drops with plenty of time to read the water and look for the best place to run to. Not the fastest run ever, but way fun. My GPS says 1:36 from outside Maliko to the jetty, including a few minutes spent deciding whether to go in at the tanks, and then calling Shirley.

Fun, fun run. And of course the first thing we did when we got back to Bill's house was talk about tomorrow's run. This is one heavy duty addiction.

Oh, one other thing. I stuck an Elite Molokai blade on a Ke Nalu xTuf shaft. Oh my God, I love this paddle. Absolutely launches you into the swells, and it's super easy on the body. My crap shoulders feel warm and good.  I let Bill try it but I snatched it back before he could get too fond of it. We're going to have to offer this thing, I just need to figure out what to call the recipe. Maybe a Molokai Downwinder.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 24, 2012, 04:54:29 AM
New personal record on the south shore, 39:03 to the beach.  Beat old oc-1 mark by 40 seconds.  This segment was 9.6 mph.  If I could hold this pace for the 9 miles of maliko it would be a 56:15.

south shore 3-23-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uObaxSx5TGM#ws)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-24-12700x272.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 24, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Looked like the last part of our run yesterday, towards the harbor entrance... without scary pier one.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 24, 2012, 11:24:34 PM
Fun maliko today.  Strong E wind and a swell from somewhere up north.  I chose to play it safe outside.  Clips begin at sprecks - the white dot on the red line.  They finish soon after, across upper kanaha.  As the vid shows, the swells are super fun even way out to sea.

Ski's are great for coming in from an outstde line.  Oc-1's can be challenging with the ama on the left.  White water blasted me on the side a few times but no falls.  Great fun.     

maliko 3-24-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGlmqNUG-Ng#ws)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-24-12700x279.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 25, 2012, 12:53:52 AM
The beginning looked like the crazy pitching swells from yesterday. Wonder what's doing that? The water is over 30-50 feet deep in most of that area. I don't understand how the swells can be pitching out and breaking in the open ocean.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 25, 2012, 08:48:22 AM
My line is very close to the 20 fathom line on this chart.     

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/fathoms700x637.jpg)

Here's the link to the depth chart.
 
http://www.nauticalchartsonline.com/n.c/Charts/chartViewer.html?viewChart=19342 (http://www.nauticalchartsonline.com/n.c/Charts/chartViewer.html?viewChart=19342)

I like this link for windswell behavior.

http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/how-do-we-get-surf---forecaster-blog_56731/ (http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/how-do-we-get-surf---forecaster-blog_56731/)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 25, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
Nice footage LPB. I find myself leaning with you sometimes while I watch. I had a nice little run (FL style) yesterday when, for maybe the first time, I found myself in a pretty strong downwind condition and never once felt like I was going to be swimming. I thought about your earlier statement regarding the difficulty maintaining proper rotation in your stroke while _working_ the conditions. I was trying to keep my rotation but found myself doing a fair amount of arm paddling. Always fun when you get such a push that when you reach out for a catch it feels like the wing fell off the end of the shaft because there is no resistance on the paddle. Damn that's fun. Oh well, back to TN and flatwater paddling tomorrow. Will be in the endurance mode the next month or so while I prepare for this 80 mile race. It's a bummer too as these are some of the best weeks in FL for windy conditions. Don't get many downwind opportunities during the summer in FL. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 26, 2012, 01:36:00 AM
After a stretch of very strong winds, today was mellow in comparison... 20-30 but very clean and easy to manage.  Went with a group of 7 SUPs and we all stayed fairly close.  Pretty fun.  Saw LPB's orange cap way off on the outside of us when he would top a crest and then he'd disappear again.  Groundswell lowered but still present but surface wasn't very crossed up.  Cruise ship was in so it was an oil tanks day for us.

MCKC race this weekend from Keanae (long course) and Maliko (short course).  You got to hand it to the guys that go long course.  Aside from the extra miles, the water surface can be pretty lumpy- backwashy. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 26, 2012, 01:54:45 AM
The Kaenae race is about a month away, HM.  They had 22 boats do it yesterday for fun.  They've done it a few times this year. 

I saw you launch ahead of me, and was hoping to zip over and say hi, but the glides distracted me.   

Glad you like the videos Eric.  keep working on that rotation as much as possible.  It will pay off big when you start downwinding again. 

Conditions were lighter today.  Clips are from early in the run.  Glare was strong today, so I didn't shoot the second half of the run.  It was a smoker.  Record time in a ski.  Closing in on my oc-1 times, hope to beat them this summer.  Great fun. 

maliko3-25-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ClnXbOCYw#ws)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko3-25-12700x294.jpg)

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 26, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
LPB... Do you think there is any way to overlay our google map routes with this depth chart?

Sorry about the race info.  Someone told me that I thought was reliable. Perhaps they meant the fun race.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 26, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
If there is an easy way to overlay our garmin path with the depth chart I'd love to hear it.  The depth numbers in my previous posts were scaled by hand.

The chart is interesting at pier one.  That bump has mowed a few canoes over the years.       

Google earth recently updated the picture on the south shore.  The previous version was on a calm day and gave a good view of the reef.  The new picture is on a windy day - no more reef.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 26, 2012, 12:17:38 PM
The chart is also interesting for showing the outer Kanaha wave that pops up now and then in a big swell. It must be that big shelf. It's further west than I thought it would be.

I did a south side run yesterday from the boardwalk to Makena Landing with Gary who runs a surf school on Nantucket. Took along my old 12'6" starboard for him, which works really well in that super-short period swell. I didn't want to take him on a Maliko without seeing how he did, but he'd be fine, we should have done it. Especially since the north shore looks like a lake this morning.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 27, 2012, 01:53:16 AM
The first 5 minutes of this clip is an average speed of 9.9 mph.  I wish I could hold that speed longer.  Great fun.  South shore was good today.   

south shore 3-26-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKysXMGGNJU#ws)

1.8 miles out, 3 mile swim.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-26-12700x338.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 27, 2012, 10:55:00 AM
Wind speed guess?  Victor checked in afternoon at Sudas and thought it was a tad offshore around the launch.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on March 27, 2012, 08:16:56 PM
 My Son and I hiked up the Lahina Pali trail this morning, then cut uphill on one of the "logging roads" in search of a better view down towards Ma'alaea bay. Goregeous up there, and the variety of vegetation was something else. The road we were on went up into the clouds (almost even with the highest Windmills, damn, those things are huge :o!), then looped back down under the power lines to where we started from.
 Here is a different perspective from the "birdseye view", for those who aren't familiar with the area:
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 28, 2012, 12:43:54 AM

Wind speed guess?  Victor checked in afternoon at Sudas and thought it was a tad offshore around the launch.

Probably 20-30mph.   

Today was another fun one.

south shore 3-27-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv4Q5DC_FBw#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 28, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Did a southside with Rod Parmenter, it was pretty good.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 28, 2012, 10:10:42 AM
Rain Waves... that was a great pic, thanks.  Those old roads up there used to be the old way to Lahaina before 1951.  In the late 1800s there used to be the Hawaiian equivalent of highwaymen that would ambush sole travelers on that road.  Makes you appreciate police.  We take for granted being able to travel roads safely these days.  However cell coverage is sketchy along that Pali.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 28, 2012, 11:26:18 AM
LPB, a couple of questions. First, in your most recent vid from the 27 th you mentioned that your calf leash was toast and you were using the coiled leash behind. What is it anchored to? I'm always screwing with this in my mind as I really dislike the footwell being so full of cable. Second, what GPS are you using? Do you have it secured to the bungees in the fore of the cockpit? Or does the V10S have the bungee setup? A shot of your cockpit would be cool with your setup as it is when you are paddling. Thanks.

Really enjoyed the vid from the 27th and it seemed a little calmer than some of the recent Maliko's. Looks like you had some nice pushes. Is your lay back a holdover from the OC. Or am I just using bad form by not doing that? Then again, I certainly do not get that kind of following sea when I am home in FL. Our stuff is more often pretty choppy.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Bolt Upright on March 28, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
Here's a fun Maliko run Jeremy Riggs and I did 3/24/2012. Small craft advisory 10 - 12 foot sea's.
Paddled outside a bit. Go Pro mounted on the rear of my F16 and using 4 different angles on our way down. I'm liking the rear and side facing angles the best so far, still experimenting. Jeremy is piloting the SIC Bullet and demonstrating why he is one of the fast guy's... skill and grace on display. Fun to watch him whip a 17'4" board around effortlessly, and always in total control. I always enjoy watching Jeremy practice his art. Hope you enjoy!

Select 720p or better then watch full screen for optimal enjoyment.

A Maliko Downwinder Featuring SIC Maui - The Bullet & the F16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6dB2Hg9xg&context=C4c17445ADvjVQa1PpcFP6LE5hO1-dVxEjPvj-OrQpxivYeYqDHi0=#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 28, 2012, 03:05:47 PM
Sure has been good lately. 24th was amazing though 23rd was crazier. I was talking to Kathy yesterday at the end of a run from Boardwalk to Sorrentos and she said it was right at the outer edge of what she feels comfortable with. That's really saying something, she's really good. 

I looked at her new Foote Maliko 14. It can't weigh more than ten pounds.

That camera angle works really well. Funny how you don't really get an idea of the wave sizes until you pause the video to a still picture. Then it looks nuts.

Jeremy just flat out pisses me off. He makes it look so easy and smooth.

The video reminds me that there's a good reason the first thing Bill tells newbies is "don't look back".
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 29, 2012, 01:04:27 AM
Perfect combo with you two.  The faster guy should follow so that the action comes at you and gets bigger.  That was great.  I'm going to use that angle.  Liked the music also.  On a sunny day that's going to look fantastic.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 29, 2012, 03:43:13 AM
Nice video Randy.  That gopro2 looks good. 

First, in your most recent vid from the 27 th you mentioned that your calf leash was toast and you were using the coiled leash behind. What is it anchored to?
A leash string through one of the star thingies that holds down the cargo bungees.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-03-28001669x700-1.jpg)

Second, what GPS are you using? Do you have it secured to the bungees in the fore of the cockpit?
The strap is built up with some foam to hold the 305 watchband.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-03-28002700x651-1.jpg)


Looks like you had some nice pushes. Is your lay back a holdover from the OC. Or am I just using bad form by not doing that?


Leaning way back isn't good form.  It decreases your ability to balance the ski with the paddle stroke.           
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Bolt Upright on March 29, 2012, 09:41:54 AM
Perfect combo with you two.  The faster guy should follow so that the action comes at you and gets bigger.  That was great.  I'm going to use that angle.  Liked the music also.  On a sunny day that's going to look fantastic.

Thanks Bill, yeah that angle helps to show the face of the bumps better I think. Also using multiple angles makes it bit more interesting especially with the longer clips eh? I'm pretty stoked with the new GoPro, it can do 3 fields of view (wide, medium and narrow). I used the med, It's seems to be more like a regular camera FOV.

Oh yeah, and having Jeremy in the frame almost guarantees good things will happen, you can see how he slows down to stay in view of the camera. It was fun for me because I just paddled like hell and I didn't have to worry if about running away from him...Ha!   

Thanks for the thumbs up brah!! I love your vids!!

Randy
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on March 29, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
The strap is built up with some foam to hold the 305 watchband.
Hey, no fair!  Every video you post makes we want a surfski.   With that photo of the Garmin 305 (which I do have) you might as well have captioned it, "Hey, PDX, here's what your 305 would look like in your new surfski". 

There's one sitting in a kayak shop a couple hundred yards from my house.  Now I'm going to start thinking, "Well, I already have the gps, and the leash, and the carabiner and the string....".
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 29, 2012, 10:59:57 AM
LPB, thanks for the response. Amazing how much deeper the bucket is on your boat than in my V8. I am going to have a little stash of money to play with soon and the plan was to buy a new 14' board but I wonder if I can resist a faster ski? I like the idea on the leash, I may try that myself. Do you use any type of paddle leash. I know some guys I paddle with in FL use ONLY a paddle cord and swear they never let go of their paddle. Having watched my boat sizzle across the top of the water away from me, I would never trust that. Thankfully it was blowing into a sandbar. Thanks for the photos.

Eric
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 29, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
PDX, go buy the ski. You will love it. Mine has really become my _go to_choice on the water. With all these new intermediate skis there really is no reason not to do it. What kind have you looked at?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on March 29, 2012, 11:41:31 AM
Here's a fun Maliko run Jeremy Riggs and I did 3/24/2012. Small craft advisory 10 - 12 foot sea's.
Paddled outside a bit. Go Pro mounted on the rear of my F16 and using 4 different angles on our way down. I'm liking the rear and side facing angles the best so far, still experimenting. Jeremy is piloting the SIC Bullet and demonstrating why he is one of the fast guy's... skill and grace on display. Fun to watch him whip a 17'4" board around effortlessly, and always in total control. I always enjoy watching Jeremy practice his art. Hope you enjoy!

Select 720p or better then watch full screen for optimal enjoyment.

A Maliko Downwinder Featuring SIC Maui - The Bullet & the F16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6dB2Hg9xg&context=C4c17445ADvjVQa1PpcFP6LE5hO1-dVxEjPvj-OrQpxivYeYqDHi0=#ws)

Great video.  That freeze frame of Jeremy on top of that monster wave was really something. Good ideas on the different video cam angles.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 29, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
In 720p and full screen I really get the feeling of a real Maliko instead of the usual flatter look most angles and cameras create. This shot from right around 6:15 in nearly dizzying in full screen. Very cool video. Do you mind if I share this on Ke Nalu?

(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/kenalupics/malpic.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on March 29, 2012, 12:08:03 PM
ericspin--The one at the shop is an Epic--V8, I think, or possibly V10 Sport.  I purposely stay away, since a surfski would wipe out my $$$ I need for more important things like a new fin, Ke Nalu paddle and taxes.   I see several skis on the river here--almost all Epics--V8, V10, V10 Sport. 

In the meantime, I have a relatively narrow kayak, so I paddle that occasionally, and pretend it's a surfski.  It's also white, which helps with the illusion.  And since I have the kayak already, I'd want a surfski that was signficantly more challenging--since I haven't ever paddled one, I don't know if that means any surfski, or maybe I'd pass over something like the V8 and go to something the next level up.  It's all flatwater (unless I go up to the Gorge).  Whatever the one in the shop was (most likely a V8) the owner said I'd have no trouble going from my kayak to that. 

In the meantime, I'm loving this thread.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Bolt Upright on March 29, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
In 720p and full screen I really get the feeling of a real Maliko instead of the usual flatter look most angles and cameras create. This shot from right around 6:15 in nearly dizzying in full screen. Very cool video. Do you mind if I share this on Ke Nalu?

(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/kenalupics/malpic.jpg)

Aloha Bill, of course you can post it.... I'd love it to get out there! It might be cool to let people know that Jeremy is available for guides and coaching, did you see Jeremy's version of the same run? You can find it at thejeremyriggs you tube page. It's a lot shorter at around 3 min. I like showing some paddling and I'm trying to give the viewer a sense of the size out there, maybe post both... the extended version and the shorter version?

You might ask Jeremy if he wants his name and contact info out there as far as the coaching and guiding goes, I would think he would.

Anyway Mahalo for the positive review!!

PS... I'm using the Blur Fix Lens from Snake River Prototyping. It's a standard size flat lens so you can use different lens filters, thinking about trying a polarized lens for those sunny days shooting into the sun. Also it has a slot built in so you can put in anti fogging beads inside the lens housing. So far I've had no fogging issues using this. Now looking for something to keep the water from clinging to the lens. If you have any suggestion other than RainX please let me know. On this run I used the lick it and dip it method. It seemed to work well until I pointed the camera forward, it did OK but I wish it wouldn't be an issue at all. I've been hearing about super hydrophobic coatings that repel water. Not sure if someone is offering this in a bottle that you could apply yourself? Sure would be nice to get that issue resolved.

Mahalo!!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 29, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
I keep getting Shanghaied by work but yesterday on the way to Kihei, I took some pics of Maalaea Bay.  From top to bottom is from left to right side as you would look out to sea from above Maalaea.  Trying to show the gap between the tip of Maui and Molokini crater and then the gap between Molokini and Kahoolawe.  THese two gaps are what you want to avoid... the goal being to skirt the left shoreline of Maui.  The last pic is a close up of the run area.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 29, 2012, 12:54:54 PM
And for the overall POV, I'll reinsert RainWaves pic he took from up high.  This is the south side run on Maui.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on March 29, 2012, 01:09:27 PM
 Here's another shot from farther down the ridge that catches everything above. Also, a question: is Kahoolawe still "off limits"? I saw what looked to be a very big sandy beach out on the Western end from up there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 29, 2012, 01:21:53 PM
Yes it is off limits.  There are still safety issues with unexploded ordinance from when they used to use the island for bomb practice.  They won't even let you anchor close to shore.  But if you ever have the option of going ashore on Kahoolawe vs continuing on out that gap, then go ashore.  You might be in trouble but you'd get to live.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 29, 2012, 02:18:44 PM
Do you use any type of paddle leash. I know some guys I paddle with in FL use ONLY a paddle cord and swear they never let go of their paddle. 


From what I've read, a paddle leash will act like a brake if the boat gets away.  Some also say that a leg leash - paddle leash combo can be dangerous if they tangle.  Personally, I prefer to be connected to the boat.  I've dropped the paddle in big conditions and had to release my grasp on the boat and swim to it.  It was not fun.  You should spend time over on surfski.info for safety advice.  I'm new to this sport.  The cold water guys have the best ideas.     

The veterans over on surfski.info are adamant about a leash.  A recent thread had RAB complaining about the hassle of a leg leash.  'Too short, prevents me from bla bla bla...'  He's been around and should be more sensitive to the fact that new paddlers search the forums for advice and may take his words out of context.  He stepped on a landmine with that post (probably intentionally) and the vets called him out.     

My guess is that many of the top paddlers avoid forums because they don't want to entice a novice out in hazardous conditions.  'Wow, that guy did a channel solo with no support, I think I'll try that too"...

Here's a classic example from the wayback machine.  Wind was scheduled to be epic for about 10 days when our grand poohbah posted this.  The MCKC Kaenae race was soon.  I was in oc-1 and planned on attempting it.  I was a first timer, terrified and rightfully so.     

I want to do a run from Kaenae on a SUP sooner or later, maybe sooner is sooner.

In my opinion, that's an extremely difficult task on an SUP.  Paddlers with ten times my ability have told me they will never do it again.  Apparently, 10 miles of side on trades and disorganised open ocean swell is very tough to navigate on a standup.   

My fears were justified. I did the race, but it was no race for me - mere survival.  The white water pushed me off my seat several times.  Oc-1's are much safer than standups in those conditions.  It's a 25 mile run with rock cliffs the first half.  PB wouldn't have made 5 miles. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on March 29, 2012, 06:02:20 PM
Agree with LPB as to using the leg leash.  In heavy conditions, I would only accept my body (via my ankle) being tethered to the boat.  A heavy enough wipeout could separate me from my boat and rip the paddle out of my hands, and if that happened I could be SOL - without a paddle or a boat.

Yeah its a bitch when you flop out and the leash gets wrapped around the bottom on the ski, but it sure is reassuring that (without failure of the leash) the boat can go no further than the end of the leash.

In the marina I will take the leash off.  Even if I fell (not likely) the boat will not get away from me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: stoneaxe on March 29, 2012, 06:34:51 PM
Sweet video Randy. That was fun to watch. I'm dying to get out ther someday and that gave me the best sense yet of what I could be in for...wahhooo!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 29, 2012, 06:39:43 PM
Thanks for the leash talk. Please don't misunderstand me though....I NEVER go out without my calf leash....NEVER. As a very new ski paddler I ventured out one day without the leash and it turned into a very nasty day. I had several getoffs I really sketch conditions and vowed that would never happen again. I now wrap my leash around my paddle so I will not forget it.  Just curious about others preferences and why. LPB, I frequent the surfski.info forum several times a day and participate often. I witnessed the RAB thread. But he's always stepping off in it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 29, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
I assumed you wore your leash all the time eric.  

I was prompted to switch from a calf leash to the rear mount for a few reasons.  Primarily because I was unclipping to reset the camera.  Now I can swim back without unclipping.  Also, If I ever get nailed in shorebreak, (unlikely) the leash will stretch far enough to keep the ski from killing me, yet let me have some control over it.  With the coiled leash, I enter and exit the water clipped in.      

Some of my landings are in populated surf zones.  It's mild, and safe, but I try to assume the worst.  Clipping out, losing a grip on the ski and watching it mow some kids over is a fate worse than death.

For any oc-1 fans, the storm is here.  Unidirectional carbon, seamless construction.

Light, strong and polished in every detail.  Finest boat I've ever seen.     

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-03-29001700x193.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 29, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
Pono came by late this morning.  Looked grim out front of my place on the north shore.  We chatted for a bit and then decided to check the web cam on south side.  Took forever for the cam to load but it did and conditions looked surprisingly good in the face of a poor forecast.  A confirmation call to LPB and we loaded up fast.  The run was great.

I love this modern age.  I've spent many years and hours driving around this island fruitlessly searching for waves and to be able to access info and rally quickly is pretty damn cool.  Also appreciate PBill who is always ready to roll and LPB who is a great south shore spotter.  Talked to LPB later and he did twice our distance.  Everything was clicking today, firing on all cylinders.  Great day.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Bolt Upright on March 29, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
Sweet video Randy. That was fun to watch. I'm dying to get out ther someday and that gave me the best sense yet of what I could be in for...wahhooo!

Super glad you enjoyed it Stoneaxe!! For sure a classic run. I'm jonesing for another smoker.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 29, 2012, 09:36:04 PM
Here is a google earth picture of today's run, boardwalk to makena landing.  The red x is up high where RainWaves was hiking.  The yellow x is molokini.  The island upper right is Kahoolawe.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-29-12700x343.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on March 30, 2012, 12:12:16 PM
how was the wind on that run,did it turn against you past Sarento's?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on March 30, 2012, 12:25:37 PM
about leashes,on a downwinder,don't fxxk around,wear one,and calf leashes are only safe with surfboards and small sups,more volume than that,as a wave crashes on you and pulls on the leash,your calf muscle compresses,the leash slips right off,now your board or oc-1 is gone with the wind,wear it around the ankle.you can tie the leash to the cuff by removing the screw with a FCS wrench and passing the string through the hole,that way it doesn't interfere if you are on a oc-1.
Speaking about oc-1,how is that Storm on a downwinder.My concern is that as light as it is supposed to be(15lbs?),there is not enough momentum to catch the bumps.yeah,it will fly when paddling on a flat day,but how well does it do on a downwinder,connecting the bumps? any feedback appreciated.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 30, 2012, 01:01:36 PM
Wind was very good through makena.

Excellent advice on the calf leash slipping.  It's happened to me a few times.  Just like you say, it went right over my foot in a flash.

The storm belongs to Jono.  It was his first time on it.  I didn't ask him how it goes. 

Not sure what they weigh, but it's light. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on March 30, 2012, 02:09:43 PM
mahalo La Perouse
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on March 31, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
Well this video doesn't really have any right being in a post that has 'smokin' and 'Maliko' in the title but here goes anyway. It was fun and gentle and a great way to start the day out on the water with a buddy...

Dawn downwinder with Mike (http://vimeo.com/39549121)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 31, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
Good one JC.  Looks like you are enjoying the ski.  I was chuckling to myself as the video progressed and your speed kept going up.  'He's hooked, no going back now.'   Ha Ha. 

No worries about posting here, this is now the unofficial ski thread.   :) 

Keep the videos coming.  Great for training aren't they?   

Speaking of smokin' maliko, today was 10 of 10.  Unfortunately, my camera was tough to reset.  My rear display is toasted, so I rely on the beeps to let me know if it's filming.  It was so windy I couldn't hear clearly - missed the entire run.  Tomorrow should be a bit lighter, I'll try again.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 31, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Couple years ago it smoked like today on the last day of March... out like a lion and it roared today. Was stoked I rested yesterday.  Wind blew in my window, hard, all night long.  Woke up to it fully blasting by 8 am, with ocean surface in front of my place at least 50% white caps which always looks like solid white.  Realized this might be a day to do two runs.  There is always talk of channel crossings and I knew if I were doing anything other than whistling dixie, then I better find out if I can still do two runs, which at roughly 20 miles, still isn't the mileage of any of the channel crossings. I've done two before but not in a few years and at a much slower pace than I go at now.  You know you get older and you never know when you might start sliding backwards.

 Pono is older than me and was up for it and along with two other pals we were launched by 10:30Am with two trucks waiting at the finish.  Earliest start I've ever had.  We saw the 8-10' swell along with the white sea and knew we were in for a ride and it was in one word.... intense.  Constant focus right out of the gate, navigating between the wash cycle at the mouth of the  gulch and a nearby wave.  But we did and we were off and gliding.   I caught the longest wave I've ever had across the reef at kite beach, skimming over inches deep reef, praying I didn't screw up.  A huge fire off Stable Road laid a smoke screen over us for the last few miles.  Water turned a weird orange and breathing smoke, after a clean air injection for the previous miles, was a harsh finish to one of the most fun runs ever.  Wind was still hard east down towards the finish and getting in wasn't as easy as usual.  


 The scene at the harbor at the end of round one was that time just before the shuttle pick up.  HCC was full of frenzied paddlers, SUPs and OCs.  Drank a few coconuts and drove back up for round two.

Got clipped by a capping swell just out of the gulch on round two but it backed off before making its big break on the inside, thus saving me from absolute devastation.  Got back on, committed  not to screw up.  Felt too tired to have to swim.  

Pono had a friend of his, Rod, I just met, along for round two.  PBill told me Rod hadn't done Maliko yet but was good to go.  Stared at PBill wondering why his sentence didn't make sense to me on a day like today.  This seemed to be confirmed by Rod falling at the start a few times.  I waited up thinking I may as well take this one easy anyway.  But soon Rod was right with me, ripping and catching huge glides and really laying the hammer down when it was needed to catch one.  Inspirational stroke to watch and an incredibly powerful dude.  Back and forth for awhile but then he slipped away.  Sometimes waiting for me.  I felt like I'd been set up.  The guy was really good, even  kept up with Devin when she slipped by us.  

Afterwards I find out from Scott he's this famous Hood River guy, great mountain guy, a real athlete, in his 40s, the works.  Typical Bill giving me understated info.  Anyway it's always great not to have to worry about people and when they're ahead it's never an issue.  So another great run.  Legs felt slightly weak at the end of round two and shoulders were screaming a tad inside the harbor but I think I still had a few miles in me if those miles were DW or light.  But if I had to do more than a mile into a headwind at the end of round two, I would've been tapped.  Still have questions in my mind about endurance for 28 miles... straight... or crooked..  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 01, 2012, 12:43:41 AM
You must have though I was nuts, that's was pretty radical today, no place to bring someone that couldn't handle it. Rod is Rod Parmenter, we've done probably a hundred downwind runs in the Gorge together. The Gorge isn't Maliko, but I knew he could hold his end up. And he's done kiteboard downwinders from Hookipa so I knew he knows the coast.

He did a lot better than I did. I was playing tail end Charlie, falling a lot. Probably fell ten times on that second run. Sure was whacky stuff though. Camp One was pretty big.

Sure was fun today, sure does hurt tonight. I'd say from how calm it is tonight that we chose wisely.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on April 01, 2012, 06:44:09 AM
JC, beautiful dawn sky in your vid. Curious, are you paddling a V10S?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 02, 2012, 12:50:39 AM
Wind was lighter today, but the E swell was still strong.  Skis and outriggers don't need a lot of wind to get great glides.  Yesterday felt like 30-45 mph wind, today was 15-20.  Today's time was only 3 minutes slower. 

Here's a short clip from upper kanaha. 

maliko 4-1-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kheAKQShEOA#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on April 02, 2012, 08:48:24 AM
Hey, for all you Epic guys. Have you seen the V8 vs V10S comparison on Epics FB page. I couldn't wait to see who got to the _rock_ first.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on April 02, 2012, 08:33:21 PM
Hey, for all you Epic guys. Have you seen the V8 vs V10S comparison on Epics FB page. I couldn't wait to see who got to the _rock_ first.

Looked on the FB page but couldn't find the video, could you please post the link to it ericspin.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 03, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
Starting to sneak in across the reefs.  Lighter wind, no NW swells and no breaking waves.  Great fun.  Ran the ridge through upper kanaha for the first time since oc-1 days.  Wow, they don't call them surf skis for nothing.  Great fun. 

Chris and I were always neck and neck in oc-1's.  Looks like I can get him now in light-medium conditions.  But last Saturday when it was big, he put at least 5 minutes into me.  Big conditions are still too spooky to charge in ski.  But the lumpy big stuff just before the entrance is super fun in ski.  They really shine over outriggers in the slop.  Crazy fast bouncy speed that last quarter mile, regardless of wind or swell. 

maliko 4-2-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQVU72WV9qg#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on April 03, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCAjiJIugejs&v=CAjiJIugejs&gl=US (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCAjiJIugejs&v=CAjiJIugejs&gl=US)

Try this link for the V8 V10S video.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 03, 2012, 05:21:56 PM
This is what it looked like when I woke up the morning of our pre-April Fool Run

(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/malikowind.jpg)

(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/malikowind2.jpg)

Sometimes it's just kind of obvious it's going to be a good day. Those swells are about 3/4 of a mile from my house. They're good sized.

Today was a pretty good surf day at Kanaha. I hit it for dawn patrol. Left a board and paddle on my jeep for Rod. Ho'okipa was pretty big, lumpy and crowded. I would have had to surf the far end of Lanes, which I'm not fond of. Kanaha had nice size, was flat calm erly but the wind came up just as I hit the lineup. There was a squall going by and I was banking on the wind being from that. I was right. It died again. We had a lot of nice overhead sets and a few real pounders that cleaned the lineup. I caught some nice waves, Rod got to try the Kalama board and got some impressive rides. Wind came up, and I left. went to Costco to score a new HD GoPro for 199.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 04, 2012, 01:10:06 AM
We shoulda launched at the bay in front of your house.  That's quite a pic. 

Hope you told Rod how much of a fool I felt.

Rock star park job in front of Flat Breads tonight?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 06, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
Fun run today.  Boy, the north shore is so exciting after a few days on the south shore.  Hope the wind holds for the weekend.

maliko 4-6-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHQBqbyGwig#ws) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 06, 2012, 11:30:44 PM
1:44 and 3:38-3:40 have some great stills you could cull out of that video, especially the 1:44.  They would be low res but fine for internet.  Notice how on a grey day like today that the bright colors (boat and cap) are crisp and the dark colors like your shirt and arms have a muddy texture to them.  But these low light days also have a certain magical look to them when you overlook the mud.  Yes I did enjoy that brief underwater shot and you getting back in your boat.  That's interesting for me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 07, 2012, 01:04:22 AM
1:44 is frozen. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/1441.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 07, 2012, 02:47:25 AM
Does maui have wind on the north and south shores all year round?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 07, 2012, 10:20:53 AM
Tradewinds blow on maui about 61 percent of the time. January is usually the lightest at 42 percent and june, july, and august are all above 90 percent.

It's been a weird winter. All these rockin' runs we've been having are in the typical lightest wind time. When I used to come here for windsurfing we wouldn't think of getting here before the end of April, and even then there would be days when we'd surf all day. It's 7:20 AM and there's whitecaps in front of my house.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 07, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
Great LPB.  Do you like that pic?  Thought the little wave pyaramid over the back was cool. Also looks like a drop into a good size trough.

JF808... yes there can be DW caliber wind on both sides of the island ... any month of the year.  Feb is usually the calmest month, but not this year, in fact it was just about the best month for DW I've seen in awhile.  May through August would be the main trade wind months but we get tropical depressions that roll through and even during these months the wind can back off for a week.  What I've also seen is that the month of March has some of the strongest days.  If you have kids with you, chain them to a car or they'll blow away.  

Last year's winter was pretty calm Nov-early March which is kind of norm.  But if you're willing to drive, you can usually find something worthy.  And if you're planning a trip, check in with the guys here to let you know what the trend is.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 07, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
It's been a weird winter.

La Nina (NEEN ya)

 
Last year's winter was pretty calm

El Nino (NEEN yo)

Great LPB.  Do you like that pic?  Thought the little wave pyaramid over the back was cool. Also looks like a drop into a good size trough.

Yes, the pic is fun to look at.  It reminds me of ice.  As for a drop in, yes it was a good size swell. 

I'd encourage anyone to shoot video.  Not to post them, but to see just how different the footage is from your memory of the run.  You can pop the memory chip into most computers and the vid starts instantly, in HD.  I'm a pc, so I open the file and run it on windows media player.

Editing is another can of worms.  It gets much easier with practice.  Lot's of tricks to streamline the process.   

The vids do not come close to representing how big those swells are.  I know HM sees it because he's edited some footage.  DJ's footage is even more deceptive because of the high mount.  We all use a wider angle than the human eye, which flattens the waves.  Trust me, those swells may not be pitching across kanana, but they are tall, and very fast.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 07, 2012, 12:40:16 PM
That's the most irritating and deceptive thing about these videos. Everyone that has seen the videos on the zone and shows up on Maui to do a Maliko gets a serious case of the wide eyes when we paddle out of the gulch. Doesn't matter how many times we say that in words, when you see a swell as tall as a three story house rolling towards you, it all gets VERY different.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 07, 2012, 03:43:52 PM
Whoops, I certainly wasn't trying to deceive anyone.

When I said the swells were 'tall' I should have said less than 10 feet.   

As for three story house sized swells, those are the exception rather than the rule at maliko.  The only 30 footers I've seen this year were on 3-10.  4-1 was great, but 20 footers max, if that.

Kai Lenny's recent Jaws video is 20 and 30+ feet.  I'll try to keep the numbers real to add authenticity to the thread.  We don't want the real experts to roll their eyes at our tales of derring do. 

 

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 07, 2012, 08:07:18 PM
Huge pack that launched with shuttle crew today.  I paddled out with Dave, Scott, and Livio, three powerhouses and let myself fall off the wind a little earlier than them so I could be just a tad ahead when they turned off the wind.  Then I just stuck my blade in the water and watched as DK let loose with guys he races with.  It was a sight to see.   Wish I had my camera but I think the best moments are always when there is no camera.  Anyway it was a grey day for video.  But I felt lucky to see that level of finesse and power.  And that's the thing about these Maliko runs, you see some stuff from the best.

The clinic continued and I caught a great glide just as an OC-1 caught me. We rode together for that glide and then he connected and I didn't... sayonara.

Conditions were much better than I anticipated.  Not great but if you worked hard, glides were there. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on April 07, 2012, 08:31:52 PM
Not too many takers today. Probably due to the modest NE winds. Or maybe it was due to the latest swell to hit our N facing shores. Whatever the case I went for it. Started off out of maliko into fairly light conditions and stayed that way to Kanaha. No reason to paddle out away from shore to get into the wind line because there wasn't one to speak of. You just needed to stay out far enough to not get creamed by the surf. The outer reefs were working and from Kanaha  through Pier1. My line was inside more than usual so I had to keep one eye on the Himalayas  breaking on the outside and the ones on the inside. In the middle of the maelstrom I caught a glimpse of a prone paddler who I had seen earlier at maliko. My neck started to hurt just looking at him.I couldn't help but wonder what he must have thought about the surf. Laydown guys can't see as far ahead as we can. The paddle in the harbor was a breeze due to the light NE wind. A pleasure for sure! Could have used some company but fun anyway. 808 out...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 08, 2012, 12:33:23 AM
Okay, two story house, that's MUCH better.  Though from trough to peak a 10 foot ocean swell is 18 feet tall. Open ocean swells are measured from base to peak. In the open ocean the swells don't build a deep trough because they are not being slowed by drag against the bottom. In places like Camp One where the water is relatively shallow the wave speed decreases rapidly and the swell stacks, producing BOTH a peak and a depression (trough). What you experience as a visual height being in the trough is the full size of the wave face. Call it what you will, it's intimidating.

When people say a wave at Peahi is 25 feet they mean from base to peak, base being mean ocean level. In fact a 25 foot Peahi wave is typically 45 feet from peak to trough. Take a look at the standing size of a surfer in jaws, assume that's five feet, and see if you think he's in a 25 foot face. Apples and oranges.
(http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/25ft.jpg)

This is a 25 foot wave at Peahi. The bottom of the trough isn't even really visible. I count eight Garrett McNamaras between the top and bottom. 

Actually the takers today were pretty dang numerous. Shuttle was full plus, one guy sitting on the floor and two rack spots stacked two deep. Plus a bunch of people in the bay when we showed up. Dave Kalama and Bill Boyum shuttled themselves. as did several other SUPs and another rack trailer full of OC-1. I guess it depended on when you went.

I came in with Sharon and a raft of OC-1, probably six of them. Boyum and Rod were already on the beach, Kalama. Livio, and Scott Trudon were packed up and gone. I was spending so much time looking down at the nose of my board working on what Jeremey taught me the other day that I didn't watch where I was going and wandered into upper Kahana. Nothing serious, got knocked off the board by whitewater and had to paddle out like a lunatic to avoid a big set, but I made it without incident.

Light wind, moderate winf swell. pretty good ground swell. Interesting and fun. More fun tomorrow.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 08, 2012, 01:52:00 AM
South shore was going good, nice whale jumps in Makena. A malolo bashed into my armpit, a few near misses over my head.  None of the wildlife is on the video.  Had a fast minute averaging 11 mph.  Great fun.   

south shore 4-7-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIDban5hw0#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 08, 2012, 10:27:11 AM
LPB... you chose wisely.  Maliko was fun because there was such a big pack of people but the conditions in your video were off the charts.  The light was also enough to make a crisp highlight of your arms which in the grey day vid from before were muddy.  The marbling on some of the troughs made incredible shots to be able sot see the full extent of crest to crest.  For stills I thought .48-.49, 2:18-2:21, and 2:45-2:246.  If you still have the chip with that footage on it, you could bring it over and I can cull out the best from those sections.  7 secs of vid times 30 is 210 pics.  I put them in a folder and pick and choose.  You could have a nice action sequence. 

Anyway great day for you over there.  Epic vid.  Cool lean and angle.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 08, 2012, 12:28:32 PM
The chip was erased yesterday.  These images were snagged from youtube. 

0:49

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/49.jpg)

This sequence is 2:18 - 2:21.  This bracing is perilously close to dislocating my right shoulder.  Hands must always be in front of shoulder plane. 

An unexpected upward bump from behind can push the arm bone up and out.

1.25 miles offshore.  Good incentive to keep the rotators strong.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/218.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/219.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/220.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/221.jpg)



 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 09, 2012, 03:24:04 AM
South shore was good again, here's a short clip from early in the run.

south shore 4-8-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umQi9mf0AVs#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 15, 2012, 02:49:31 AM
Back to weekend warrior status at maliko for awhile.  The first clip is the fastest two minute clip of the run.  I like to save those sections as a helpful reminder. 

maliko 4-14-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E4t0GgcjJQ#ws)

0.6 mile offshore at upper kanaha, nice inside line.  It felt like a current was in my favor.  Finally broke the hour in the ski.  The fastest average speed was at the white dot - at spreck's.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko4-14-12700x280.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 15, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
2 minutes at 10.5 mph!  Smoking!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 15, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Yeah and to think he was just contemplating a Maliko run a few months ago.  Inspiring to see such progress in something I think is extremely difficult.  Holding that speed is incredible for that time.

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 16, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
Thanks guys.

1P2P, the 3.5 minute clip in this video is 10.2 mph and covers almost a kilometer.  Oscar's fastest kilometer is 1:59, which is almost 18.8 mph.  Holy smokes, that's fast.   

HM, ski's are not as difficult as many believe.  In my opnion, they are more stable than oc-1's.  It's just a matter of time in the saddle, same as anything else. 

South shore was blasting early in the run today, then backed off.  The second half of the run was still a hoot.

south shore 4-15-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQtAwoBo78#ws)

1 mile offshore.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore4-15-12700x274.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 16, 2012, 02:28:31 PM
HM, ski's are not as difficult as many believe.  In my opinion, they are more stable than oc-1's.  It's just a matter of time in the saddle, same as anything else. 

I believe this too, but OC-1 guys usually stare blankly at me when I say that.

Oscar is amazing (friggin' 19 mph over a kilometer??), but apparently there are plenty of guys in SA who paddle as fast or faster than him in flat water.  What Oscar possessed was an amazing ability to surf on the ski.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 16, 2012, 10:35:46 PM
In addition to the stability, I believe ski's are also easier to remount than oc-1's. 

Without an ama to worry about, skis are easy to roll.  Then just slide in.  Oc-1 seats are higher, so it's tricky to pull oneself up on the foam seat without flipping the canoe.   
             
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on April 16, 2012, 11:39:10 PM
I think the 18.8mph ave over one kilometer by Oscar should have been 18.8km/h - otherwise he was averaging 30km/h - not sure if that's possible even in a ski....skis will hit 20mph+ top speeds but to average that for one kilometer would have taken exceptional conditions.... mind you, if anyone has been around to find those exceptional conditions it would have been Oscar...

Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm really not sure.....if it's true, then he has gone more than twice as fast as I ever had on a SUP - my best is 14km/h (8.7mph) average over 1 km and I thought I was flying!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 17, 2012, 09:38:26 AM
I was amazed too.  Oscar is a monster in big surf. 

All the elite paddlers here on Maui do amazing speeds when it gets gnarly.     

Oscar's personal record speeds are at the end of this article.

http://www.epickayaks.com/news/news/heading-downwind (http://www.epickayaks.com/news/news/heading-downwind)

Here is a good link for the math.

http://www.machinehead-software.co.uk/bike/speed_distance_time_calc.html (http://www.machinehead-software.co.uk/bike/speed_distance_time_calc.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 17, 2012, 10:30:40 AM
Smoking Maliko run yesterday, the ground swell was dinky but the refracted wind swell across the reef was good sized. A pleasant run all the way to the tanks, and a good day to practice what Jeremy taught me, there were micro and mini swells going everywhere.

I'm McLovin' that xTuf shaft and Elite Molokai blade. Power steering and turbo boost for swells without any shoulder badness.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 17, 2012, 08:11:55 PM
And here's PBill putting some steam into that tuft shaft.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 17, 2012, 08:18:48 PM
That pic was actually today which was even windier than yesterday.  Liked this pic because the Haleakala is stunning behind him.  PBill caught that wave looming behind him in this shot and after that all I could see was a head.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 17, 2012, 08:29:19 PM
Nothing but diamonds out there today and steering was the theme of the run.  We were going to go golfing but decided on these links instead.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 17, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Nothing but diamonds out there today and steering was the theme of the run.  We were going to go golfing but decided on these links instead.

Excellent choice I'd say!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 17, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
Golf!! I'm saving that for when I get old.

Damn that was fun today, the perfect way to stamp "DONE" on a fine winter, cut a little short. Ah well, back to Hood River tomorrow--time to start NOT falling in that cold river. You'd be amazed, Bill, how much better my balance in when the water temp is 50.

Thanks for the pics. It was a nice run. Coming over the reef was a hoot, and Camp one was about as big as I've seen it. What were we doing so far in???  No wonder we got tagged.

I don't think I can really call that tagged. More like bulldozed.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on April 18, 2012, 10:40:37 AM
Golf!! I'm saving that for when I get old.
I'm getting visions of reading this thread 20 years from now--page 21,473.  Headmount posting videos along the 14th fairway--not sure if they'll focus on the actual golf, or how fast PonoBill is driving his cart with 8 sets of clubs on the roof rack, driving into ditches.  Still hasn't settled on a camera mount, or what the best focal length is for capturing the action.  PonoBill testing out his clubs he made in his garage, after two years of posts showing the 5-pound, duct-taped, epoxied repaired clubs he keeps breaking.  Periodic reports of problems getting back to clubhouse due to weather shifts or starting out too late in the day.

Every few days a new video from LaPerouseBay--GoPro mounted on back of cart, driving the course, doing much better than he'll give himself credit for, occasionally getting passed by golf cart drivers with Eastern European names and narrower carts.  Is debating about getting a narrower one himself someday. 

Occasional gps screen shots showing paths of golf balls--low trajectories with predictable flights, but high possibility of hitting hazards, or high trajectories going much further due to picking up wind, but possibilities of getting blown into the ocean....

Occasional balls hit through windows, with irate homeowners captured on video.  Video of PB entering house through shattered window to apologize to owner, only to find owner is Strand Leper, sitting on sofa dressed in genie outfit due to idea he got from bad golf joke PM'd to him from me 21 years before. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 18, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Heckle and Jeckle on the green of the 18th hole.  A good drive from here gets you into the ocean.

So PDX how about you?  Will you be in one of those Portlandia restaurants asking the chicken's name and if he had a good life?  Primal but not Paleo.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on April 18, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
I've already gone full Primal. My daughter likes baking sugar cookies, so I just got her a new cookie cutter.  So now all the sugar cookies are shaped like squirrels.  Tell me that's not Primal.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 19, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
40+ mph today.  Epic to the oil tanks.  Three days straight in this wind range has me pretty tapped out.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on April 19, 2012, 07:00:58 PM
Heckle and Jeckle on the green of the 18th hole.  A good drive from here gets you into the ocean.

So PDX how about you?  Will you be in one of those Portlandia restaurants asking the chicken's name and if he had a good life?  Primal but not Paleo.

 PonoBill, where did you get that shirt?!! my favorite "beverage" for sure!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 19, 2012, 10:56:55 PM
My daughter likes baking sugar cookies, so I just got her a new cookie cutter.  So now all the sugar cookies are shaped like squirrels.  Tell me that's not Primal.
That cracks me up. 

South shore was windy this evening.  Almost had a minute over 11 mph.  The ski just keeps getting better and better.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore4-19-12700x500.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 20, 2012, 07:21:13 AM

 PonoBill, where did you get that shirt?!! my favorite "beverage" for sure!

Like 90 percent of my clothing it's a freebie event shirt. From one of last year's Maui Canoe and Kayak Club events. On the back it says "Catch me if you can". One of my favorite shirts.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 23, 2012, 02:23:12 AM
Excellent wind on the south shore today.  The second clip is primarily to show the wind speed.  It was really going for a few minutes. 

south shore, 4-22-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_geY8LRY2zk#ws)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore4-22-12700x315.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 23, 2012, 01:15:34 PM
LPB, that was great footage.  I like the way you have to weave between the straight downwind bumps and the ones swinging in from the right.  And that now on the ski you often can connect them.

The HK run was probably a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 yesterday afternoon, took out the F-16 for a solo run.  Overall was a good solid run.  But what is incredibly annoying about the Hawaii Kai run is that at about 4 miles from the blinker buoy, outside of Kahala, there is very often a wind shadow or wind interference where the wind can absolutely die, even after its been pushing pretty good up to that point.  Then what you have is chop with no push from behind.  This situation gives way as you approach Black Point and the wind picks up again, but then you contend with rebounding waves coming right at you as you are trying to get around Black Point for the stretch outside Diamond Head.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 23, 2012, 02:09:47 PM
I felt bad missing it yesterday and now I feel horrible.  That was off the charts epic.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Strand Leper on April 23, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
For the last time PDX, I DO NOT have designs on Dianne!

Besides, she let me know that my ADD is still way too under control for her.

She said something about maybe giving her a call when I welded an SUP/ Outrigger/ Hobie trimaran rack onto my Spec Boxster track car... or when I retired, then started two e-magazines, and fundamentally revolutionized the human gait...

I figure that I am likely not going to achieve either... so the Genie costume will be reserved for someone else...

Tim
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 23, 2012, 07:43:36 PM
I don't know...from where I'm sitting it looks like the ADD is hitting on all eight cylinders.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on April 23, 2012, 08:25:01 PM
LPB, if the grunting and groaning and heard breathing are any indication this must've been an awesome run. I can relate to the noises. Cannot even imagine what a vid of me would sound like. I _talk_ my way through tough conditions a lot. Just wonder how my V8 would do in this conditions? Bet it would be a blast. Thanks again for more great footage.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Strand Leper on April 23, 2012, 08:41:48 PM
I don't know...from where I'm sitting it looks like the ADD is hitting on all eight cylinders.

You may be onto something there Bill (as I am reading the new issue of Excellence, trolling the Zone, playing with Maximus, talking through a data integration issue with the wife, watching The Pacific on DVD and working on an employee evaluation)  :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on April 23, 2012, 09:46:36 PM
I have ADD too, but it's under control exce
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on April 24, 2012, 12:17:08 AM
For the last time PDX, I DO NOT have designs on Dianne!

Besides, she let me know that my ADD is still way too under control for her.

She said something about maybe giving her a call when I welded an SUP/ Outrigger/ Hobie trimaran rack onto my Spec Boxster track car... or when I retired, then started two e-magazines, and fundamentally revolutionized the human gait...

I figure that I am likely not going to achieve either... so the Genie costume will be reserved for someone else...

Tim
Every so often there's a post that makes me think that maybe there should be a thread where people can go to ask what someone meant on another thread. 

Where people could ask about genies, big waves off Kanagawa, ineffable, how to translate Australian...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 24, 2012, 01:04:33 AM
Wind was excellent all day on the south shore.  My typical after work run is to cove park, about 5.5 miles.  The swells are rather tight for a 20 foot boat, but still great fun.


Just wonder how my V8 would do in this conditions? Bet it would be a blast.

Yes, I think the V-8 would do very well on the south shore.  It's a 'technical' run, with steep, short period swells.  The shorter length of the V-8 should let it turn more quickly. 

In the V-10S it's always a battle to keep from pearling the nose.  The guys on surfski.info say the V-10S pearls too easily.  I'm looking for a V-10 now.  I'm anticipating ramming right over those little bastards.  It's fun to railroad bumps in the V-10S, but will pearl up to my feet when I miss time it.       

south shore 4-23-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLr3Q4BxwPQ#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on April 24, 2012, 10:34:14 AM
LPB, you mentioned your _after work run_. I didn't think you guys had to work over there. Figured it was all play all the time. Ha!

Interesting to hear you are thinking of making the move to the V10. I imagined you would evolve to that as quickly as you have mastered the V10S. You mentioned the length sometimes feeling a little longer than you would might like. I was reading somewhere on the inter webs the other day about the fact that surf skis of old were shorter and fatter. I also wonder a lot about rocker. In the article I was reading they were sharing that the original ChalupSKI by Chalupsky had a fair amount of rocker. I have been thinking pretty seriously about stepping up to a Stellar SR and it has definite rocker in the bow. I don't necessarily like the look as much as the plumb bow but as I learned from my cycling days I can't see any of that stuff when I'm on the machine. It simply becomes a performance thing. At home in FL it's pretty much short chop so it seems the shorter boat would do better. Who knows? Another great run in that last video. Must be a blast to maintain that speed for that long, huh?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 24, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
I guess this has become the smoking Maui report these days as it's probably too much to resurrect the Smoking south side report.  

Yesterday smoked on the south side.  It was grey, not sunny like when LPB took that cool vid the day before yet it was still off the charts good.  I went with Jeremy, RR, and Steve.  Jeremy was still under the weather but like MJordan playing in the playoffs with the flu, he still can surge whenever he wishes... for instance... he was paddling backwards shooting vid of the three of us.  Cracked me up.  There was lots to see like a vision of RR dropping in with just the back eighth of his 16' board connected with the water or Jeremy paddling right by a turtle as big as an island.  He was shooting vid so maybe we'll see.  We went medium long and the wind backed off a taste towards the very end but still gliding.  3 Bullets and a F-16.  Pretty buzzed at the end of the run.

Maliko can be great but also can be frustrating.  When the south side is like it has been, it's all gratification.  And the really cool thing is a group can stay together fairly easy.  

We had a lifeguard come out and ask us if we'd seen a gal named Linda.  Hopefully she was found.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 24, 2012, 12:35:35 PM
In the V-10S it's always a battle to keep from pearling the nose.  The guys on surfski.info say the V-10S pearls too easily.  I'm looking for a V-10 now.  I'm anticipating ramming right over those little bastards.  It's fun to railroad bumps in the V-10S, but will pearl up to my feet when I miss time it.

I told...you...don't say it!

The huge snout of the V-10 really makes it difficult to shove that much volume underwater.  Ericspin was talking about the older boats having more rocker, and he is right - they had more rocker and were a bit wider for more stability.  The older boats were pretty similar in dimension (at least length and width) to the present V-10S and Mako XT.  Its a proven design, and the numbers work.  But they are not as fast as the newer designs.

The V-10 and all of the shapes it inspired have what I see as a "virtual" rocker, especially on the front half.  If you put the boat on the ground, the front part of the bottom of the boat is nearly in contact with the ground for the entire length of the boat.  But the nose is knifelike and vertical, so that when it first hits the water, the boat is not trying to lift over anything, it is slicing through it.  The lift starts something like 1-2' back from the front of the boat.

All this seems to result in that instead of having to run over bumps, the V-10 actually cuts through the top of the wave, rather than lifting over it, so that you do not have to lift the entire mass over the swell; you only have to lift the mass about 4" below the top of the wave you are trying to get over.

I wondered why they didn't make the V-10S with more nose volume.  The XT had they same pearling issue as LPB describes.  I think Fenn saw this "missing link" when they created the Swordfish.  I bet that would be a fantastic big water ski - a bit more stability than the V-10 or the Elite but with almost as much speed.  Probably a good ski to do Molokai on.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 24, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
LPB... Guess it's easier to operate the camera with it in front and that's why you switched to front mount but I preferred the back one like you had before where we could see you paddle.  Conditions were great in your last vid but just the nose of your ski is all we can see, which would be cool if there was another paddler in the frame.  Prospective and contrast.  If you're screaming down the hwy in a BMW with the windows rolled up, it's hard to get the feel of how fast you're going. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on April 24, 2012, 02:45:05 PM
1P2P, I am surprised that the Swordfish hasn't come more often. Seems like Rob and the guys over at surfski.info are pretty high on it. I would really love to paddle one of these. I have created a fund for a new SUP race board but am always negotiating with myself to instead buy a faster ski. Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 24, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
Ericspin, if the Swordfish is as good as they say I bet it would be a great choice for really rough water, and probably a very good all around boat.  Fast enough in the flats and stable enough for the bumps.

We have a Fenn distributor who lives near me.  Even though I have no interest in purchasing a surfski I think I will ask him if he has one I can try.

The cost of a carbon vacuum surski is bracing ($3900!!), a huge differential from a regular glass ski ($2500).  I paid $3400 and change for my carbon vacuum V-10 five and a half years ago, I guess that is inflation.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 24, 2012, 11:56:03 PM
 
We had a lifeguard come out and ask us if we'd seen a gal named Linda.  Hopefully she was found.


Yes, she's fine.  As I was unloading my boat she walked up to say hello.  She has a V-10S and a V-10L back home in Vancouver. 

I think Jack gave her a ride back to her car.  He mentioned she had broken her iakos or something.  I had to paddle quickly to get home before sundown - so didn't chat much.


/ you have mastered the V10S.


Far from it.  The videos are only the best parts.  I know you are speaking rhetorically, but this is a forum.


I told...you...don't say it!


I remember.

Our local epic rep can get me a deal on an almost new boat.  Although the other manufacturers may have better stuff, I'm going with the V-10.  Any of the elite boats will be a lot better than I am.

Nice explaination on the plumb bow.

I'm not thrilled about the extra windage of a V-10, but it's worth the tradeoff, without a doubt.  A big water boat can be exercised here on Maui.     


LPB... Guess it's easier to operate the camera with it in front and that's why you switched to front mount but I preferred the back one like you had before where we could see you paddle. 


I prefer the view from behind also.  I'll repair the mount one of these days.  And get a gopro2 with dashware...   
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 25, 2012, 07:34:19 AM
 Jeremy was still under the weather but like MJordan playing in the playoffs with the flu, he still can surge whenever he wishes... for instance... he was paddling backwards shooting vid of the three of us.  Cracked me up.  

That's the kind of thing that confirms his alien status. On a board shaped like a telephone pole he can ride backwards and even paddle into swells. That's sick. I DID see him fall once this winter, but he got back up onto his board and his feet in one smooth move that made me gag.

Not human.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 25, 2012, 01:47:17 PM
I'm not thrilled about the extra windage of a V-10, but it's worth the tradeoff, without a doubt.  A big water boat can be exercised here on Maui.     

You won't even notice the windage on the nose of the ski.  Compared to how significant wind is to SUP, the wind force on the V-10's nose is basically irrelevant.  Skis laugh at sidewinds.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 26, 2012, 09:47:54 PM
Yesterday I did a run on my old 14' since my Bullet was getting repaired.  Strange getting back on a no-rudder board... my left foot kept searching for the peddle.  But it was fun. 

The 14 feels surfy after being on the 17 for so long ...  was able to do some great backside cutbacks  and @ 28" wide, stable, no falls.  Those steep critical moments where the 17 might poke, I could attack with abandon.  The doomed deck was also nice to return to, as it allows your feet to move much more freely than the slightly recessed deck on the Bullet. 

But the break away speed that carries you over a flatter sloped step and into the big glide wasn't there like it is for the Bullet.

Conditions were great and Buzzy Kerbox took this pic right before the point where there is no more posing.  Couple yds further and on a no-rudder board you have your foot wrapped over your right rail paddling hard so as not to get pushed onto the left side of the gulch.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Muskoka SUP on April 27, 2012, 03:27:02 AM
Nice pic HM... You are living the life... 8)
May I ask what make your 14 is? Looks like a SIC, or maybe a Foote..??

Thanks for the ongoing Maui reports (all of you in this thread..)

David S.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 29, 2012, 11:35:30 PM
Racing season is starting and more and more people are going.  Please be careful getting into the water at Maliko Gulch boat ramp.  There's slippery limu (seaweed) on the ramp and the cat walk that goes out a way alone the side can be hazardous.  Some guy tried to launch off the catwalk the other day and stepped into a hole where there's no support... and broke five ribs.  Just get in the most conservative way possible, no tricks.  Save your board and body.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SEA on April 30, 2012, 12:04:12 AM
Hey Bill

No video of Down Wind on the south side with Da boys ??  would love to see something !!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SEA on April 30, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
Scratch that just saw JR post :))
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 30, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
Sea... what did you think of that vid Jeremy made?  When the fastest guy has the camera, the rest of us can just go because we know Jeremy can catch us in a blink.  Buzzy and I tried yesterday with the same set JR had but we didn't get anything worthy.  JR knows how to aim the camera very well.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SEA on April 30, 2012, 08:29:27 PM
Agree with you Biill

JR makes it look effortless. He is able to look around and capture others riding the bumps as he is riding the bumps !!!  That takes some serious balance and years of experience out there. I loved that video it was a pleasure to watch and enjoyed watching you guys just buckle loose.  Brother Bill you were catching some awesome glides. It looks SO FUN. I wish and hope one day I can get over there and do some runs with you guys. 

Aloha

Scotty
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 01, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
Today smoked just like yesterday.  Have gone with Buzzy Kerbox the last three days as he irons out the kinks using his wtrprf Nikon P/S.  Today he got this pic.  One of those moments with the Bullet where I was screaming in 5th gear and then ran into a bump angling in from the outside.  Most times, hitting these bumps stops me and kills the glide but today the board would just deflect and drop in a new direction.  Pretty damn fun.  Colors Were good anyway.  My pal Victor is on the inside with the yellow shirt keeping a tight group of 5 guys all the way down.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: supthecreek on May 02, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
Nice shot Headmount and to have it taken by Buzzy Kerbox makes it all the better ;D

I've surfed a lot of Big Sunset Beach on the North Shore.... but I gotta say... being that far offshore in less than predictable conditions would creep me out more than a little. Did you start right off going so far offshore or did you work your way out as you became more experienced? What is the solution if something goes wrong... injury or equipment failure? It seems like there's no easy way in without out side help. For instance... I was SUP surfing today and the board came down like an axe and cleaved my paddle in two.... no big deal in the break area... but 3 mile out would be more problematic.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on May 02, 2012, 09:38:36 PM
Nice to see--a rare photo of the cameraman.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on May 02, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
Great shot Bill.

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 02, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
supthecreek... You paddle out of a bay that sets you on a line with the wind, which by the time you've gone even a half mile, has you a few hundred yds offshore.  The farthest offshore you are on the run is between .5 and a mile and remember it might look farther because the camera he used was 28mm focal length which while not distorting, is the start of what is considered wide angle, which increases the feel of those distances.    

As far as comfort goes, I know I still have at least two miles of swim in me because I do it once in awhile.  I started doing prone paddle boarding in 1989 from Maliko so the run is not strange to me.  But I know it is for some people.  I took a pal of mine from B.C for a run.  Solid guy, great skier, and fearless.  He'd been buried once in a avy.  So he's paddling great with his eyes on his nose.  We get out to what I call, 'the line' and tell him to look up and forward.  He does and sees a freighter coming out of Kahului harbor, looks over towards me and informs me he doesn't know how to swim.  Well I shit but calmly said, "don't fall" and he just nodded and didn't... and he did more runs after that.  

Point is you get used to it fast.  Go with someone who will stay close and it's all good.  Amazing how the fear factor disappears with company.  Our main preoccupation is keeping up with each other.    Your pal may be 30-40 yds ahead but you know with one good glide you'll be right back in the mix.  It gets very exciting and consuming.  Buzzy of course smokes us.  he can get ahead, take a picture and catch up quick.  But sometimes he goes with guys who smoke him.   Doesn't matter, we're all pretty jazzed at the end.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: supthecreek on May 03, 2012, 08:58:59 AM
HeadMount
Thanks for the info... I am sure it must be a lot of fun. The balance factor must be considerable, to handle a narrow, long board in choppy swells.

Ever since seeing Laird on his Hydrofoil Board I have wondered about the potential for surfing really big ocean swells (that never break... just big rollers) for miles out in mid ocean... I don't know if there's a chase boat that could keep up with you in those waves.... but it would be another way to enjoy offshore swells.... and mitigate the chop factor.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on May 03, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
HeadMount
 I don't know if there's a chase boat that could keep up with you in those waves....
Plenty of boats, it's called Horsepower!  Although the Jetski's and Waverunners seem to be most common for tow-ins, rescue, etc, etc. Small, plenty of HP, nimbleness, you get the idea ;).
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 06, 2012, 11:10:28 PM
Fun weekend at maliko.  Summer is starting off great with lots of east wind.  The fetches have been excellent.  Great swell action across the reefs. 

maliko 5-6-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGExMvtt4xI#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on May 06, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
LPB---when I see the horizon flopping so much, it makes me think that if we were seeing your rides with a camera that wasn't mounted to your vessel, so that the horizon stayed level and your surfski was what was angling back and forth, your rides would look a lot wilder than they appear in the videos.  And they're impressive enough as it is. 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on May 07, 2012, 01:23:50 AM
Going for a downwinder on my ski in the morning, always great to get a new LPB video to jazz me up a little for the run, just wish it was like Maliko ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on May 07, 2012, 02:08:40 PM
Mike, LPB did some videos with weird morphing when I made a similar comment a while back.  Just keep your focus on the boat and forget the horizon and it will all be ok...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on May 07, 2012, 07:49:54 PM
LPB, thanks for posting this. I was going through withdrawals as it's been a few days. Something about this format that you used really gave me the sensation of climbing the back side of the swell and then I could almost feel the ass end rising as you screamed down the face. Cool!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 10, 2012, 12:08:28 AM

LPB---when I see the horizon flopping so much, it makes me think that if we were seeing your rides with a camera that wasn't mounted to your vessel, so that the horizon stayed level and your surfski was what was angling back and forth, your rides would look a lot wilder than they appear in the videos.  


A steady cam would certainly help capture the ride in a realistic fashion.  It's difficult to describe how runs really look compared to the video.  Some parts seem more tame, others wilder. 

IMO, the biggest negative about video is the lack of peripheral vision.  An imax would add a lot to downwinding video.  From the boat we see (feel might be a better word) so much more.  That's all lost in video.      

The hips move around under the ribcage to absorb lateral motion.  That's most of the really wild horizon swings.

This video has a lot of braking in it.  I'm not bracing, but slowing the boat down to keep it from zooming down the face.  The waves on the south shore are often too short to fit my 20 foot boat into.  The best line is to go across the face, but when they are so short and steep, that's very tricky.  So sometimes I brake to stay back on the top of the wave, then accelerate if I see a path.

I ordered a new V-10.  It will be here in a few weeks.  It has more volume in the nose.  It may be able to shoot right through some of those steep, short swells.

south shore 5-9-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDf8HTEI_-0#ws)  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 10, 2012, 12:21:12 AM
Well I was going to bug you about how it was today but you just answered my question with that video.  OMG.... thanks LPB

One question what time did you launch?  Victor and I have Dale coming over from Oahu tomorrow and want to go.  Went today over here and top half was great but turned straight onshore at the end.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 10, 2012, 12:45:40 AM
Solo launch about 3.  It's been very good over here all week.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on May 10, 2012, 03:12:05 PM
Wow, great conditions LPB.

Looking forward to seeing the videos with the V10, which construction are you getting?
The close wave thing is tricky isn't it, I find its a very fine line between going across the face of the wave and broaching. I'm looking at the Carbonology Vault, shorter than the V10S and finer nose.

Makes me wonder if in the close waves that we get in Melbourne whether something like the shorter V8 or the Think Eze might work really well. Seems like a backward step but may actually be more fun. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 10, 2012, 10:29:57 PM
Construction is going to be a red one, same as my sport.  The durability, stiffness and strength of the kevlar honeycomb is incredible.  The sport has been bashed around a few times, nary a dent or chip in the gelcoat.

As for using a shorter boat, I say if you can try them, do it.  I'll bet those EZ's and V-8's are a blast.  If the smaller boats fit the wave and allow you to turn and surf, go for it.  If we only had flat water we'd all be in atoms.   

Personally, I'm on a mission to brain damage as many outriggers as possible.

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on May 11, 2012, 11:27:52 AM
Personally, I'm on a mission to brain damage as many outriggers as possible. 

He he.  Just keep the nose pointed downhill, and its see you later...

LPB, are you going to do the race on the ski this weekend?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 11, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
^ If only they had a category for skis.  Oh well, more money available for Kelly's shuttle.  Not paddling the standup or oc-1 at the Olukai either.  I should have tried to keep up on both, but didn't. 

Wind is going to be light Sunday for the oc-1 race.  I'll bet someone from Oahu wins this year.  I think Dave K. will win the standup race Saturday. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on May 11, 2012, 11:49:34 PM
I'm on Maui!! met the gang at Kanaha, and seen Danny Ching coming in from a early downwinder riding a 17' V1 Bullet covered in 404 stickers. pretty cool to see.

Got my first tast of Maliko today.... all I have to say, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! you maui boys got some epic conditions, so fun.  But.... whats up with all the monster turtles!!!! and they dont move for nobody, I didn't hit any turtles which is lucky I guess I lost count of how many I seen. Getting in to the beach is a little tricky for sure
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on May 12, 2012, 06:54:58 PM
808, good luck and have fun!

LPB, do they have Maliko races that include skis, or are there not enough skis to justify a separate category?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on May 12, 2012, 07:15:16 PM
 Hey, not to parrot what 1p2p said, but hope you had a good time! Getting to do the Maliko with everyone must be a real cool experience.

 Who knows, maybe I'll try to make it over next year for the race, after all, someone has to come in last place :D.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 12, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
I'm on Maui!! met the gang at Kanaha, and seen Danny Ching coming in from a early downwinder riding a 17' V1 Bullet covered in 404 stickers. pretty cool to see.

Got my first tast of Maliko today.... all I have to say, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! you maui boys got some epic conditions, so fun.  But.... whats up with all the monster turtles!!!! and they dont move for nobody, I didn't hit any turtles which is lucky I guess I lost count of how many I seen. Getting in to the beach is a little tricky for sure

Speedbumps. They're so used to us they just don't care.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 12, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
Yes, watch out for those turtles, the big ones will mess with you.  I had one look at me as I slammed on the brakes.  Then he dove - so I continued without steering away and the bastard resurfaced.  WHAM, I thought the nose of my ski was crushed.  Lucky for me the boat was ok.  The turtle probably didn't feel a thing.  He was a monster.    


LPB, do they have Maliko races that include skis, or are there not enough skis to justify a separate category?


Yes, there are several maliko races that include skis.  

The MCKC series runs from January thru April with a race every 2 or three weeks.  One is a maliko to the harbor, the other is also maliko to the harbor (short course) and a long course Kaenae to the harbor.  

There are usually about 10 skis in the MCKC races.  

We did a maliko to the harbor a few weeks ago which was the Imua.  85 sup's, about 30 oc's and only 2 skis.  Everyone was out of town for that one.  There are also fund raisers for some of the 6 man clubs, they let skis race with 'em.  

MCKC just ran the Maui Molokai.  Zsolt beat all the big names in oc-1.  I don't think Karel was there, But Kai, Jimmy, Danny etc...  

Maui has some fast paddlers on ski. They are right up there with the elite oc-1's and often beat them.  I'm not sure why the Olukai doesn't include ski's.  Money maybe.  They would have to split the purse to include prizes for the skis.  

The Molokai Oahu for skis is the 20th.  Zsolt and Greg Barton may do it in a V-10 double.  If conditions are good, they should kill it.

I heard Connor won the Olukai, then Travis,  Danny, Dave K, Jamie, Livio, Kai Lenny, Kaeo Abbey then Jeremy.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 13, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
This is the smoking thread and since the first week in Feb, it has smoked pretty consistently.  But today it totally glassed off.  Kinda of wild and incredibly silent in comparison to the usual roar.  Tonight's sunset. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 14, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
And from the same spot this morning... my porch.  Like last night's sunset you can see Molokai behind the tip of West Maui

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 18, 2012, 10:27:34 AM
Wind was back yesterday.  Classic summer type conditions with almost zero swell and perfect grain.  Launched at 2:30 to oil tanks (9m). Was stoked with time (1:06)  Almost two miles more than Kanaha run where I only did 1:02 last sat at race.  Had a feeling I wasn't going to fall yesterday and didn't but many wild balancing moments where I almost fell.  Practiced my JM  imaging (see JM stroke in technique) and praise Oden, it worked, worked well.  I had been averted to bending at the waist but it really wasn't bad and my back feels fine this morning. 

At home, before my run, I had a flash to take my blade to the top of our stairs.. bent my knees, hips out a little to opposite side of stroke, top arm roughly in line with my back and placed the blade tip about half way down second run of the stairs  which had the neck of the blade even with the floor my feet stood on.  Then I pulled for 10 secs in an isometric combo stretch I could really feel especially in my shoulder joint.  Felt good. Then switched to other side.  That felt great and imprinted the body feel of what I saw in JMs stroke pic. 

I drove to Kahului to renew my drivers license (now very complicated with three forms of ID needed) and had given up on the idea of going for a run.  A pal calls me inside the DMV, I look outside and see the palm trees bending and say 'hell yes'.  He drives into town, we drop a truck, stop at my house to pick up my gear and before I know it, I'm putting the JM image practice to real time use out in the wild blue.  Perfect day and now I have this comical looking new pic for my Maui driver's license I've had since 1967..  wish I had all those pics to see how I've aged.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 20, 2012, 04:25:32 AM
NIce to be back at maliko after 2 weeks on the south shore. 

maliko 5-19-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x96j3EzkLYg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on May 21, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Unreal that Oscar won...again!  At 49 years old.  Not even three minutes behind Greg/Zvolt.  Wow.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 21, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
Yes indeed the big O. is amazing.  I followed the race on facebook, couldn't believe he did it again.  Oscar was with the double for a long time. Then he fell off, lost a few places then busted a big move to crush everyone at the end.  What a beast.   

What an amazing talent in the waves.  I think I read he was at 275 less than a year ago.  Then he started training in earnest with this race in mind.  Amazing.   

A friend of mine did it and said the conditions were brutal.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 23, 2012, 09:50:11 PM
Went today and it was as east as I've seen it for quite some time.  Everything including the current was pulling me offshore and I had my 14 not my Bullet with what would have been my very helpful...rudder.  Escorted a father and son from the SF area.  Solid paddlers but it was a wrestling match to keep inside to make our finish point. 

Strong winds forecast as far out as they make predictions.  Today had everything from light post squall to frothing 40+.  If the moisture upwind of the state dries out, we'll be in for some great runs as each successive day gains a bit of easterly roll.  But with moisture the offshore component is strong.  Real strong.  Check your leashes.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on May 24, 2012, 11:52:49 AM
Someone here said Oscar was 120kg's then he decided to give the Molokai another go - after having won 11 times, the last in 2007. He went down to 105kg - and won - at 49yo.........Apparently he also excelled in pretty much any other sport and got national colours in 3 or 4 of them - probably the greatest athlete ever to come out of SA!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on May 24, 2012, 12:46:25 PM
Incredible feat of athleticism.  We know Oscar can talk the talk...now he proved he can walk the walk.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: supdiscobay on May 26, 2012, 10:41:22 AM
Thanks to Headmount for a great couple of Mailko runs.  Had a great time and Bill is a great guy.  Nice to finally meet. We ended up meeting several zoners over here the past two weeks.  For those who haven't done any downwind runs, this was my first and now I am hooked.  We flatwater at home in the Delta, and SUP surf in Santa Cruz.  It will be tough to find something in Nor-Cal to compare with Maliko.  My 19 yr old son didn't really want to go, but after the first one he was hooked too!  He is a strong prone surfer, going to school in Irvine.  Monday was a nice 20-25 day and a good first Maliko.  Bill described the Wednesday run well.  Bullitts are the norm out here.  It seems like thats all we saw, and we could have used a rudder on the 5/24 run. If you get over to Maui, get in touch with Bill and enjoy. Thanks again Bill  !!!!!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 26, 2012, 06:57:26 PM
Maui is Da Kine for downwind, but Hood River is pretty tasty too. You won't fall in as much. The stuff I do to stay on the board must be pretty funny, I had TJ laughing like a loon when he and I made the mistake of trying the line over by the railroad tracks yesterday--it was like paddling in a log flume. Steve And Doug were over close to Wells Island and it looked almost like a cartoon they were disappearing so fast.

Hood River is a lot closer than Maui.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 27, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
Forgot to install the memory chip yesterday.  Today's run was much windier.  
Got nailed at Spreck's and the camera mount got loose.  All the good footage went missing.  Oh well, summer is just beginning.  

This clip is the best section of the first half.  Very exciting run.  East swells over the reef are the bomb.

1:01:22 with 3 falls and minimal effort.  Man, when the wind blows 40 all you have to do is steer.  

No news on the V-10.  I'm cool with it, the sport is still rocking.

 maliko 5-27-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0uzqM56kmk#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 27, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
Thanks for the call LPB.  Did two today.  Video first, then run and gun the 2nd.  From the road above Hookipa, it appeared grey and rainy and smooth.  We were anticipating a trudge paddle but as soon as we got out of the gulch, we were blown away.  It was rainy and smooth but the wind was screaming.  The net effect was smooth faces and huge troughs.  Felt like powder skiing.  You could point er anywhere you wanted with absolute control.  Best condition I've ever had.  Wasn't like that the whole run but to Paia it was incredible. 

First run was good but in comparison to last several days it was unremarkable.  I know I'm getting jaded when 30mph is unremarkable.  That was an 11:30 launch.  2nd was about 2pm with the heavy black squall.  2nd double in 3 days.  It's just fantastic.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: SEA on May 28, 2012, 12:34:57 AM
Bill , You are a truly blessed man !!!  Keep it up !!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 28, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
40 is the new 30....mph that is.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PilonSUP on May 28, 2012, 08:00:10 PM
40 is the new 30....mph that is.
;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 28, 2012, 08:14:39 PM
When the wind clocks in like this for this many hours of the day, several days in a row and blows pretty decent all night long... well it gets special out there, really special.  We launched at 2 and it was screaming.   But a pretty good size east swell starts stacking up on the reefs.  You had to look ahead.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 28, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
Took Shirley up to Iao for a hike but it was Memorial day and the place was packed.  So I drove down thru Wailuku and we saw this.  She says, "You should go for a run"  I love her.

For you guys coming over for the Naish race the harbor mouth and the crane that is good for lining it up from far away. This harbor opening is quite a ways offshore. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 29, 2012, 12:36:58 AM

/ a pretty good size east swell starts stacking up on the reefs.  You had to look ahead.

Sometimes looking ahead isn't enough.  My dumb luck finally gave out today and I got plastered at camp one.  It was the first time in a boat.  Held on to the ski and paddle but the hat and glassed were blasted to oblivion.  Didn't stick around to look for them.

The camera mount looked ok, so I high tailed it out of there and settled into a great run.  I was stoked that the footage of the second half would make it.  Unfortunately, the mount had tipped back about 10 degrees.  All the footage after the beating was of the sky.  Oh well, summers just starting...

I'm too fried to edit all the footage so I grabbed 3 minutes from early in the run.  I think I'll grab some more stuff from this run later. 

I'm staying off the water for a few days.   The boat bonked me on the eyebrow, 3 stitches.  It was a wild ride.  Super fun day.  Killer big swells and wind. 

maliko 5-28-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSx1lLeFdk#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 29, 2012, 12:54:07 AM
Nice LPB.  Very nice.  3 stitches?  It was that kind of day.  See the speed limit sign in the pic above?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: J.Riggs on May 29, 2012, 01:41:10 AM
Today was amazing! The east swell has been building and the wind has been blowing 40mph for over a week! I looked back a few times and I couldn't believe how big the swells were.
I got tossed in the harbor and my board was flipping in the wind. Glad I had my leash!

Take care of that brow. Nice video LPB.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on May 29, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
Ouch, quite a bonk.  That's the thing about super windy conditions, bad things can happen and happen really quickly.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 30, 2012, 08:27:48 AM
Not itching yet, but the minor swelling is done.  A few more days and it will be right as rain. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/005639x435.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 30, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
Is that betadine yellow?  Mighty close to the eye there pal.  You musta had quite a flow of blood in your face.  Who said this wasn't a contact sport?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: maui wave warrior on May 30, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
Just curious, is the Maliko shuttle still in business?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 30, 2012, 10:15:57 AM
Is that betadine yellow?  Mighty close to the eye there pal.  You musta had quite a flow of blood in your face.  Who said this wasn't a contact sport?

Ha!  The yellow tint is camera error.  No bandages either, just a dab of neosporin. 

No blood during the run, it was just a blob of clotted blood hanging on.  Very minor bruise and swelling.  I posted the pic just to show how minor the cut is. 

Clinic was empty.  In and out in less than an hour.  I was hoping Jill Riggs was in, but she moved to the Wailuku clinic.  The staff at Maui Lani misses her.  She's a peach.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 30, 2012, 10:36:50 PM

Just curious, is the Maliko shuttle still in business?


Indeed.  Kelly is running 3 a day this week. 

She prefers texts, but calling is fine. 

250-1984

Get on her email list.  Her schedule can vary.  She has punch cards and other discount specials this time of year. 

kellyonmaui@gmail.com

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 31, 2012, 03:43:50 AM
Here's another chunk from Monday's run. 

maliko 5-28-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lei7m6oZiB0#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 01, 2012, 08:13:19 AM
Did a mellow south shore downwinder Thursday evening.  It felt great to be back on the water.  

Here's another chunk from Monday's run. I was very satisfied at this point.  My average speed was better than usual, holding at 9.1.    

I usually hold back and play it safe when it gets a little crazy out there.  As you can see, I don't have the power or ability to charge these swells.  But it will come with time.    

The final video of this run shows what happens when I lose hull speed at just the wrong time.  I'll try to post it tonight.    

maliko 5-28-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKOvPSIvPMI#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on June 01, 2012, 10:56:03 AM
LPB, do you ever paddle the OC anymore? I had my first experience in OC-6 last night and was blown away how awesome it was.  So different from my surfski and while the stroke is similar to my SUP, of course as you guys know, it's as different as it can be at the same time. Thought about you Maui guys as I was finishing up sprints at the end of a pretty killer open water paddle in a nice swell. I couldn't help but compare it to the ski in my mind. Anyway, wondered if you did the OC thing at all now that you've become so smitten with the ski?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on June 01, 2012, 11:29:21 AM
OC-1 is my favorite,because of cultural roots.Not a true traditional design,what with  the closed top that won't swamp the canoe( thank you very much) and the rudder,but close enough.Flying the ama(outrigger) is da bomb.The first report ever by a westerner of surfing was by Captain Cook,in Tahiti,and it was canoe surfing,Pakaka nalu in Hawaiian.Downwinders in a 6 on a good sized swell is a rush also.Ka'apahu on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/31529538)     Ka'apahu canoe
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 01, 2012, 07:46:31 PM
Thanks for that vid.  It was freaking awesome, especially at the end in the big roll out in the open water.  Fo me there's nothing more thrilling.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 02, 2012, 12:02:40 AM
Lanai in the background... off Molokai?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 02, 2012, 01:41:40 AM

LPB, do you ever paddle the OC anymore? I had my first experience in OC-6 last night and was blown away how awesome it was.


Glad you like the six man, I've heard they are fun.

I'm all ski these days. 

Here's the final video of last Monday's run.  Too bad I got mowed, conditions were super good.

maliko 5-28-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AptvGJElLU#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on June 02, 2012, 06:08:57 AM
Paid, that's an awesome short video. HM is right about the rollout with everyone's _paddles up_. Very cool. We got a small taste of something like that the other night, however, on the west coast of FL our seas are more chop than swell and they are much closer together. So you get little short rides. Love the ohana in the 6. There are those times when you would like to take a stroke or two off but you know the other men are counting on you. Told my friends afterward that I was experiencing alternating feelings of elation and nausea. Love the full out effort.     

LP, looking forward to seeing video of you in the new V10 when she comes around. Meanwhile, I always look forward to all your video as it helps me keep the stoke during those landlocked days when I am working in TN (another year of this commitment). There is just no comparison to paddling in open water. And it doesn't really matter WHAT you're paddling, right?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 04, 2012, 04:32:12 AM
Fun run Sunday.  Wind felt lighter than the airport reported, but the swells were big and fast.  I was spooked for the entire second half of the run.  Last Monday's beating really freaked me out. 

maliko 6-3-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG1NZnP_pLE#ws)

This screen shot looks interesting.  A moment sooner may have resulted in a soaking but probably not a spill.  I didn't see anything, but I felt it back there.  My hull speed was pretty good - that lip could have stalled me - but it wasn't pitching violently.   

I forgot to edit out the 'screenshots' before publishing.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-3-12800x450.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 04, 2012, 09:19:55 AM
LPG... Finally got to watch last vid which was fun.  Love those wipeouts.  In reference to your head wound....here's a post from you from last March... a thought is a powerful thing.
 
Re: First significant paddle boarding injury
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 11:13:53 PM »   
It was in my first summer of maliko runs.  Small whitewater at pier one knocked me off my old red F-16.  Came to the surface without covering up and the board  bashed me in the cheek.  Not enough to bleed, but enough for a small welt.  I was lucky.

Barely qualifies as a 'significant' injury, but get this, nothing has happened since.  Knock wood.  Go ahead, call me a coward.  Sticks and stones....

     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 04, 2012, 01:26:19 PM
LPB, nice video.  You can hear the scuppers sucking feverishly with the high speeds generated.

 I was over on Maui this weekend for a funeral service and Headmount was gracious enough to take me out on a Maliko Sunday, lend me a board, paddle and hydration equipment, and his wife picked us up at the end and drove us back.  Unfortunately it seems that all of my trips to Maui have been tied up with non-paddling issues, it was great to get in the water yesterday.

The wind was a bit light for Maui standards but I still had a great time.  Kudos to Headmount, I really appreciated it.  One of these days my family will get to Maui for a true "vacation" and focus on some nice downwind runs.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 05, 2012, 09:56:15 AM

Love those wipeouts.


Me too.  I find it extremely useful to review the lead in to the spill.  My memory (and that of others) is often very different than reality. 
The water color change, the swell shape changes and the missed glide are all very useful to me. 
I don't like crashing in a 20 foot boat.  Some are minor 'step offs' like a sup, but that crash was ugly.  The string is a sliding leash setup.  I wan't to get away from the ski if necessary.


LPB, nice video.  You can hear the scuppers sucking feverishly with the high speeds generated.


That sound is actually the wind on the camera.  The front cover got ripped off and the microphone is more exposed.  The rear display is dead.  If the camera ever dies I'll get a gopro2, remote and dashware.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 08, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
The V-10 arrived today.  It's light, skinny and looks great.

First time in the water and I almost rolled right out of the boat - just like day one in the V-10 sport. 

This boat is tippier. 

Paddled a bit with my legs out, then settled in and continued on without falling.  Fiddled a bit with the foot strap and pedals. 

Paddling behind the waist is forgivable in the sport, but this boat won't allow it.  Pull too far and it's hello fish.  Mike said my stroke would improve...   

Seat is extremely comfy.  Snug fit.    I like the slightly higher hump too. 

Paddling with Mike Owens tomorrow.  I'll try and stick the camera on the back.  Underwater shots are likely.   

Sport is sold.  I'll shine it up and move it tomorrow.  Time to figure out the new boat and get ready for downwinding.  I hope it doesn't take too long.

Extremely stoked.  This boat feels very, very fast. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-06-08001700x224.jpg)   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on June 09, 2012, 05:11:47 PM
The V10 looks hot, hot, hot. I see ( from the red tips ) that you ordered the Ultra layup. Must be super light. Looking forward to the first paddle report.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 09, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Yes, the kevlar is light, only 26.5 pounds.  It's amazing how light and strong these boats are.  The steering feels like it's got ball bearings in it.  Super smooth.   

The paddle today was good.  We did an hour in light rolling chop.  The V-10 is feeling much better.  The pedals went back another notch.  I'm really pleased with the snug bucket.  It's a full two inches narrower than the old version of the V-10 sport.  The biggest adjustment so far has been the extra length.  It feels about 30 feet long.  The tippyness is beginning to fade, but still lots of bracing if I step on the gas.  And I get tired quicker with all the extra balancing.  Everything old is new again...   

Super happy with the boat.  I'm hoping to be ready for light downwinding soon.         
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 10, 2012, 04:02:04 PM
Hmm that new boat looks really nice L, I rented a Carbonology Vault for a week a couple of weeks ago. It coincided with a week of strong wind so it was straight into downwinding with the tipper boat.
First run I didn't even have time to pad it out so the combo of smaller narrower boat, and floating around in the seat meant lots of swims. Pretty quickly got used to it but found it hard work in bigger conditions, our water is getting pretty cold now as well so that doesn't help.
Keen to try a Fenn Swordfish next.

Be really interested to hear how you go with the V10, I'm starting to think that narrower boats may not be the way to go for downwind with my skill level, also going to demo a Stellar SR, seems like a backward step from the V10S but I think I need stability to learn technique and improve (actually start!) leg drive. Stellars are supposed to be really good for leg drive.

Just got my new carbon Ace 14 x 25 so I'm back in love with SUP at the moment, did a 35 knot, 3m swell downwinder in freezing conditions and pouring rain last week with the new Ace, now that was a wild ride, first time in the drink I knew fleecy pants and top and goretex shell was the wrong attire....

We are so lucky to have all the options and choosing the right board or ski as a 'problem'......
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 10, 2012, 07:04:35 PM
Today Mike and I got a sample of some serious water.  We were looking for a safe place in south Makena to launch, but a south swell forced us to the lagoon at LaPerouse Bay.  We launched at 7 am, which is about 90 minutes too late for calm water.  The trades were filling in quickly from the Alenuihaha as we made our way south.  We planned on 60 minutes, to get some base miles in.  

So we set out and the wind started.  It's all cliffs and rocks, so the rebound makes it lumpy and unpredictable.  We motored around the lighthouse and got a taste of some big swells.  Great fun.  Mike really enjoyed it out there.  He's strong in a ski.  He uses a seat pad to improve his leverage, which makes a boat far tippier.  He tells me he does it to empathise with my struggle in an elite boat.   :)  

It was tough to catch anything in the longer, narrow boat, but it's getting better.  I fell about 5 times, Mike doesn't fall in ski.  It was a blast.  Far bigger than either of us expected.

I think you are wise to stay in a stable ski JC.  The veterans are not kidding when they say stability is #1.  I'm much slower in this V-10 than the V-10 sport.  

The V-10 is like starting over again.  I would have stayed in the V-10 sport if I was a 3 day a week paddler.  But I only miss a few days a month, so I've got time on the water going for me.  And that's the key.  

The V-10 ultra is a slick boat.   I got a 10% discount on mine because it was used (once).  Epic rents new ones for the Molokai - Oahu then sells them.  $3400 (delivered) is a great price.  I hear Aussies pay over 6k.  I wish we had all those other great boats to try. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/LPB6-10-12700x394.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/LPB6-10-121700x394.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 11, 2012, 02:27:49 AM
Went out this afternoon, first time in the V10S for over a week but it feels so stable now after the Vault, certainly something exciting about getting into a finer tippier boat. While I had the Vault I did a river run with a buddy and strangely the Vault actually felt much tippier on dead flat river water than it did in choppy ocean swell, the initial stability doesn't give any sense of confidence but the secondary is very strong.
If you are paddling most days Im sure you will be fine in the V10 in no time, it will be really interesting to see how long it takes to improve on the V10S times for downwind runs, I know i was slower on the Vault downwind than the V10S but every so often I would get an insight into just how fast it could be, that superfine nose just pierced and the thing rocketed on.
Not sure why we get hit with such high prices for the Chinese skis, the containers come straight from China to Australia, bit like cars here, we pay more for the GM cars we manufacture here than you guys do after we export them from Australia to the US ???
Looking forward to some V10 videos!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 12, 2012, 05:20:39 PM
I'm much slower in this V-10 than the V-10 sport.  

The V-10 is like starting over again.  I would have stayed in the V-10 sport if I was a 3 day a week paddler.  But I only miss a few days a month, so I've got time on the water going for me.  And that's the key.  

I think that will be a short temporary situation, in all but the most challenging of conditions.

I never was able to paddle everyday; I was that 3 day a week paddler and after one season in the XT the V10 was faster (well faster) in 95% of the conditions I faced

I finally took mine out yesterday after two months of collecting dust.  Do I start out easy?  Hell no, I take it up the wall around Portlock and up to Hanauma Bay, some of the most challenging water on Oahu.  What a paddle, increasingly disorganized water culminating in a crescendo of insanity as you approach (and then enter) Hanauma Bay from the West.  And then there is no place to rest while sitting in the middle of the Hanauma Bay - brutal conditions to be not moving in the V10, even with legs over the side it is not in the slightest bit "relaxing."

My shoulder was a little achy yesterday, feeling OK today though.  Time for some video of that water.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2012, 01:05:26 AM
Well, as usual, 1p2p, you are right about the V-10.  I did my first downwinder tonight and the boat is just amazing.  It steers better, accelerates better and pretty much does everything better than the V-10 sport. 

Conditions were light, barely whitecapping.  But the reefs do lift the water up a bit.  I know the run well and have done similar conditions many, many times.  This boat is just unbelievably fun to paddle.  I'm a VERY happy camper.

I was contemplating paddling flat water early in the mornings to help my form, but man, that is tough sledding.  I did some yesterday and it almost killed me.  One hour of that feels like two long downwinders.  Maybe I'll try it a few times a week.  Evening downwinders after work are going to be so fun.   

The first clip in this video shows how nice the sliding leash is.  It's back out of the way and will slide back if needed.

The second clip is the fastest minute of the run.  9.7/min is almost as fast as anything I've ever done in the V-10 sport.  And I wasn't even trying.  Woo Hoo!     

south shore 6-12-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCmT5Y9I49M#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2012, 08:57:54 AM
My biceps feel a bit tight this morning, which tells me I was 'arm paddling' more than usual on that downwinder.  That makes sense to me, because I'm still not capable of using my legs to drive the V-10.  Each time I experiment with kicking the footplate and driving with my hips, the boat rolls too much.  Hopefully, that will gradually improve, because thats what really makes a ski go, IMO.  

And to clarify my comment about flatwater almost killing me, it's so hard because it allows real focus on form.  We have enough time to think about doing things correctly.  I find it extremely difficult to sit tall, get that top hand up where it should be and drive with the core.  Spearing the water is tough too.  Experts make that look so easy.  My balance goes all over the place on flat water, the core works overtime to stay upright and I'm fried.  Tough sport.    

After a session of that, my biceps don't feel a thing.  Fatigue is down between the belly button and upper thighs.  That's where the real power is.  K1 sprinters that can draw on those muscles are quite talented.  

The only time I've ever felt as locked in and tippy on a machine was on a velodrome.  Track bikes require good form and go fast, especially in the TT position.  Get sloppy in a ski and it's hello fish.  On a track it's hello boards.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 13, 2012, 11:57:35 AM
Well, as usual, 1p2p, you are right about the V-10.  I did my first downwinder tonight and the boat is just amazing.  It steers better, accelerates better and pretty much does everything better than the V-10 sport. 

It is not that I am smarter than the average bear, it is just that the boat is so MUCH faster than the V10S (or similar) that as long as you can stay upright in the V10, it will be faster.

No question a 17" boat will test a paddler's balance.  But what is amazing is how stable the V10 is for being that narrow.  Compared to the latest Fenn ski available at the time of my purchase (the Millennium or the Mako 6), the V10 was much more stable.  The Millennium gave me the shakes on flat water.  The Mako 6 was more forgiving, but still could not match the V10's stability.

Where did you get that sliding leash?  My coil leash was really being a pain on Monday, when trying to get my feet into the footstrap in the chop.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 13, 2012, 12:01:49 PM
Was hoping you wouldn't be able to resist the downwinders for long in the new boat!

It certainly looks fast but I can empathize with the more tentative paddling and can see the relative lack of stability in your body compared to where you were in the Sport - sure it won't be long though.
How does the sliding leash arrangement work L?

Never ceases to amaze me how complex the paddling stroke is in the ski, looks so simple when you see the pro's doing it but trying to think about leg drive, core stability, etc etc is really full on and very tiring as you say.

Oh and just so you know, I always find your videos fantastic image quality but very very slow to load. I'm not familiar with using YouTube but maybe there is a way to save them as slightly smaller files without degrading the quality. Please keep em coming 8)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 13, 2012, 12:29:28 PM
Damn... that really looks great
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 14, 2012, 12:00:30 AM
JC, you can choose a lower resolution.  When you click the start arrow a little gear will appear on the lower right.  Click that and choose. 

The leash is my epic.  I attach it to my pfd with the string and the carabiner goes on the slider.  The slider is an idea I got from the sea kayak guys.  I put the bungee on there to keep it taut.  The rear mount is some clear tube through the cover, with some epoxy to reinforce it. 

The hat and glasses are also leashed to the pfd with some leftover camera leashes. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-06-13001700x393.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-06-13007700x393.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-06-13003700x393.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2012-06-13006700x393.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 14, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
The leash looks nifty, but do you think it will withstand a really hard pull (say if you got rolled by a breaking wave)?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 14, 2012, 11:48:22 PM
^ It's strong enough for the conditions I'll encounter in the near future.  And probably strong enough for a serious yank.  I've heard ski's don't pull hard when they are in line with a wave.

My plan is to keep searching for a stainless tee nut in 1/4 x 20.  I mounted a tee nut in the v-10 sport, but it was electro plated and corroded quickly.  They are super strong if mounted correctly and serve as a camera / leash mount.  

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 15, 2012, 04:03:42 PM
^ It's strong enough for the conditions I'll encounter in the near future.  And probably strong enough for a serious yank.  I've heard ski's don't pull hard when they are in line with a wave.

My plan is to keep searching for a stainless tee nut in 1/4 x 20.  I mounted a tee nut in the v-10 sport, but it was electro plated and corroded quickly.  They are super strong if mounted correctly and serve as a camera / leash mount.  



How do you get inside with the T nut L? T nuts I'm familiar with need to have access to both sides of the panel. Maybe a rivnut would work but I'd be worried about the amount of crush it would put on the panel with the self crushing/locking motion.

Seems strange to me that the ski manufacturers don't come up with better integrated leash systems, would be easy to sort it all out during the manufacturing process.

The EZ Stick on leash plugs work really well if you prep the surface properly, you could even put two at the back to make extra sure.

When I was attaching the leash to the footstrap I experienced quite a bit of "pull" on a big day but I'm sure that the sliding leash line will let the boat align with the swell and help reduce the pull.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 15, 2012, 04:32:09 PM
I imagine if the boat it attached to the leash somewhere near the tail, then it would be more likely to be in line with the waves then if the boat is attached via the foot pedal (where I have mine); makes sense that if the boat is attached via the footpedal then there is a greater chance of the boat ending up perpendicular to the waves.  I've been rolled a couple of times by breaking waves between Light House and Kaimana on the skis, and it was difficult to remount when I was getting worked by wave after wave.

Jonathan makes a good point about manufacturers including a dedicated leash attachment point.  Seems simple enough.  I imagine because skis started out in those competitions where the riders are standing on the shore holding their boats, leashes are not typically used and so manufacturers never thought it was an important thing to consider.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 17, 2012, 01:49:09 AM

How do you get inside with the T nut L?


I surface mount the nut, with the flange on the outside.  Threads in the t nut are long enough to use half for an anchor bolt and half for the camera mount post.  The anchor 'bolt' is a segment of threaded rod.  I bent it 90 degrees and had it stick out the rear of the boat, (with another nut on it).  The t nut is on top.  It was all expoxied inside the boat.  Very, very strong. 

It worked great, except for the corrosion.  I'm not sure about drilling holes in the new boat at this time.  Maybe when it gets beat up a little.   :)

Did my first maliko in the V-10 today.  Holy crap that boat loves big swells.  It was dropping into glides with barely any effort.  The V-10 sport required big efforts to get into similar glides. 

My balance needs practice.  Only one fall.  It took several attempts to get back in.  We finished at Kanaha due to a regatta in the harbor. 

Super fun boat.  Scary fast.  Lot's of adrenaline. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 23, 2012, 11:52:01 PM
Fun times on the south shore today.

Very happy with the new boat. 

south shore 6-23-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLGVuNmXHY#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 24, 2012, 05:34:15 AM
Wow, that looked fantastic L!
A couple of times I could see you really paddle to catch a swell in front and that thing accelerated so fast.  :o
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 25, 2012, 09:13:49 AM
^ JC, acceleration of the v-10 is a notch faster than my old sport.  The new boat is a few pounds lighter, that helps.  The narrow width and smooth hull probably help the most.  The sport's previous owner carried the boat hull down a lot, so it was kinda lumpy.  I will never, ever, carry any of my stuff hull down.

The v-10 really shines when it gets moving.  At a certain hull speed the stability clicks like a light switch and it wants to run.  The trick is to get it up there.  My leg drive (stability) is holding me back, just like early days in the sport.

Maliko wore me out yesterday.  Arm paddling into big swells works for about 15 minutes.  3 falls due to exhaustion.  Arms were so tired I couldn't pull myself into the bucket.  New boat is great.  Leg drive, balance and shoulder turn are improving.

I'm anxious to adust to the V-10 and hop in a V-10S.          
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 25, 2012, 12:15:54 PM
LPB that looked like a lot of fun.

Do you find that the boat spins out less than the Sport?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 25, 2012, 11:32:50 PM
^ Yes, very much so.  I hope JC gets to experience that difference.  It's been a few years for you so you may not remember it as well.  It's only been a few weeks for me and it was quite dramatic.  

When we angle across and the rear gets close to pushing, alarms start ringing.    My first time downwinding in the 10 was a revelation.  The alarms were ringing, yet the boat locked in and kept flying.  The sport would have surely spun out and stopped, but the 10 motored.  

I'm also very pleased with how well the 10 'recovers' from a spin out.  The sport would go sideways in a hurry and slow to a near stop.  The 10 seems to give more warning.  Although the best line is missed, the boat still lets you add some power, keep some hull speed and huck it into the next swell - or maybe the second.  Such great fun, I'm really spoiled on the south shore.

Tonight the wind switched to mild headwind conditions.  I like mild headwinds because they create steady hull speed and add stability.  Great for practicing leg drive.  Some swellage was still following - it was fun to catch glides in a headwind.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 26, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
I just viewed the video of 6-23-12, it has perfect examples of the V-10 on the edge of my ability to go left.  I had launched  with an outrigger that was finishing further down the coast.  We stayed together for a while, then I looked over and realized I had to get in quickly.  The wind and swells were slightly offshore so I had to get speed then angle left on the waves.  At 1:30 you can see how I'm fighting to go left.  The sport could not hold those angles.  The 10 is spinning out too. The recovery kinda shows how the 10 can maintain a bit of hull speed after broaching.  Sitting tall and driving hard after a mistake is precarious.     

My vids usually only have the best glides, so the set ups (building speed by going right) seldom make the cut.

The experts on outrigger really fly on the south shore.  They go WAY outside in harrowing conditions.  They lift the ama and zoom left on huge swells for very, very long distances.  Unreal talent on this island.  The zigs and zags they carve are amazing.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on June 26, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Ha!  I actually remember the spins very well.  As I was progressing with the XT, I was doing runs with some guys who were quite talented on OC-1.  I remember being able to keep up with them pretty good as long as I stayed upright, but if I spun (or flipped), then I got left behind.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 28, 2012, 01:13:42 AM
More fun on the south shore.  Wind direction was good.   

south shore 6-27-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raVIGH6ici0#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 30, 2012, 09:08:28 AM
Good wind to the Mana Kai Friday evening.

south shore 6-29-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpzWPNGRxAg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 30, 2012, 09:44:06 AM
That's nuts.  This new boat is sooo much faster
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 30, 2012, 10:56:41 AM
^ Yes, the boat certainly feels faster.  At the end of the run the waves were standing up really well.  I went for broke and cut loose for a final sprint, jumping across a few peaks.  I held on for a few hundred yards but faded and eventually fell out of the boat.  The V-10 was accelerating across gaps and asking for more.  It was surreal how fast the boat can go.  GPS didn't say anything special, but it felt great.

Here's a virtual view of the south shore from the windmills.  Friday's run is on the left, Jamie Mitchell's Nuu run is on the right.  That's the Alenuihaha channel and the big island behind their red line.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore6-30-12700x277.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 30, 2012, 02:40:09 PM
The big island deserves a virtual view.  Note the compass in the upper right is swung about 180 degrees.  Jamie's 25 mile Nuu run is there, our Friday 8 miler a blip.

It's tough to get a the entire island of Hawaii in the view.  It's landmass is greater than all the other Hawaiian islands - combined. 

From the sea floor to the top of Mauna Kea is a greater elevation change than Everest's 29,000 feet from sea level. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/bigisland700x293.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on June 30, 2012, 03:12:54 PM
Wow!  PonoBill only got his up to his rooftop level.

Seriously, the earth views showing the routes are great. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 30, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
We usually view gps lines from directly overhead.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-27-12700x298.jpg)

Here's another angle of the same run. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-27-121700x590.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on July 01, 2012, 02:24:03 PM
Those views are great - its like flying over in a plane.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 05, 2012, 12:34:29 AM
Fun times at maliko.  I'm trying to slow down and pick better lines.  It's working great on the south shore.  Effort levels are dropping dramatically.  Maliko is much more challenging.  As balance improves the power should increase.  One step at a time.

maliko 7-4-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1041AQhkgik#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 09, 2012, 02:12:46 AM
Fun maliko today.  Gopro2 with the wifi remote is nice.  It has a lot of features.  This was 1080 medium view.  It's a bit heavier than my old Nikon and the picture isn't as good, but the wifi remote rocks.  Anti-fog strips worked.   

maliko 7-8-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfeleO-GSNw#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Admin on July 09, 2012, 07:05:39 AM
It has been cool to see your progression, Larry.  You are killing on that thing now!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 09, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
new cam is solid
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 15, 2012, 01:19:53 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys. 

The ski is a blast Admin, much more exciting than oc-1 in my opinion.   

Fun times on the south shore today.  The wind was excellent.

south shore 7-14-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45LwxS9_T2U#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 18, 2012, 02:48:09 AM
Wind has been great on the south shore recently.  It's been a bit shifty, but was solid after work tonight.

south shore 7-17-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUDSvq1G9tU#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 30, 2012, 01:19:39 AM
Wind was light this afternoon, but the fetch was very good. 

Stability is gradually improving.  Leg drive is starting to get comfy on the south shore, but not yet at maliko.   

Kept it smooth and easy as possible, except for the last two minutes.  The harbor entrance is always a slug fest.  The rest of the footage is boring with the gray overcast skies.  I was very pleased with the elapsed time - my best yet in the V-10.  Fast boat.  Great fun.

maliko 7-29-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1YkmoOuIU#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 12, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
Good conditions on the south shore recently.  Ski keeps getting faster as effort levels seem to drop.  Balance is gradually improving, allowing me to hang back on the waves and work more angles.

Today's run was easy and fast, with unusually groomed conditions - even by south shore standards. 

The gopro fisheye lens is just not doing it for me.  Even on 1080 medium FOV, the waves look too flat.  I'm searching for a narrow FOV replacement lens to add some realism and bring back some excitement to the videos. 

The waves in this video were really good.  Shame it's so distorted.  Loving the remote though. 

I may shoot with the nikon tomorrow to compare.  Mike Owens made me a cool camera mount out of carbon fiber.  A small tripod about a foot high.  Light as a feather.

south shore 8-11-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfQ5TS_B_Mo#ws)

   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on August 12, 2012, 08:21:11 AM
LPB: If you find a replacement lens that improves the go pro, please post details. I share the frustration with my Hero 2. Absolutely epic days are turned into stuff that just looks completely tame. Love the vids anyway though.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 12, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
I thought yesterday looked almost cloud free on SS from over her on NS but your vid appears dark... unlike 7/14 (sparkling blue) at the top of this page.   Was it dark or was it the cam?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 12, 2012, 11:22:54 AM
HM, it was bright and sunny at the beginning of the run. 

The clip above is from later in the run when the sun dipped behind a cloud.  I almost included some of the early footage with the good light, but clipped it and went with the fast glides later on.  Good light makes a huge difference with color saturation in the gopros.

cove, I've been watching this thread and a few others over on the remote helicopter forums. 

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1579275&page=5 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1579275&page=5) 

Sunnex is probably the way to go, the ragecams have some naysayers.  But it's hard to form a good opinion with so little discussion.  Ragecams guy has been booted from most forums for endless shilling.  True experts chime in occasionally and say replacing a lens on a gopro is like putting lipstick on a pig.  Then there's a rumor that gopro may have a replacement lens in the works that has no fisheye.  No news on that, but I wish they would hurry up and do it.  Probably not enough demand yet and tearing into a camera is probably not a good idea for the average consumer. 

I'll probably spend $50 and try a sunnex with ~ 90 degree FOV.  The gopro wide angle is just horrible in the swells.  I tried it on 1080 wide on a killer day and was really upset with how weak the video was.  Just terrible.  The 1080 medium FOV I'm using is not representative of the swells.  It's not what I see out there.  The 1080 narrow is useless too.  It's just the same video with the sides clipped off electronically.  Tall narrow picture.  Just plain wrong.  Love the remote though.             
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 808sup on August 12, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
I agree with what has been said about the go pro. The videos I have taken in what I thought to be great conditions play back as tame :-( So much so that I haven't posted any as of yet. I would welcome a lens change if it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. BTW, my hero was a gift otherwise I may have purchased something better suited for video rec.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 12, 2012, 11:07:36 PM
Super fun maliko today.  My plan was to stop at 20 minutes to start the nikon, but the wind was up.  It's been a while since I've seen maliko up and running, so I was too spooked to jump out. 

Big fat Oscar's advice to hang back, relax and angle across the big swells is working great in the ski.  The past 3 days have seen a personal record on my after work run, brain damaged a strong friend on outrigger yesterday and broke the hour at maliko today - all without big efforts.  Great fun. 

Be lazy, let the ocean do the work, that's my motto.  If it works for a fat slob like Oscar, I'm all over it.   :)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko8-12-12700x575.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 14, 2012, 07:09:24 PM
On the local news last night they reported that two stand up paddlers had to be rescued when they blew out to sea in Maalaea Bay (our south side), plus the two good samaritans that initially attempted to save them.

The cams looked great on wind direction... even slightly onshore.  Wish I'd been able to go.  Also the wind report for the day also showed this.  How could they get blown offshore?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on August 14, 2012, 10:02:12 PM
Me, me!! Well, okay, I don't really know the specifics all the way from Hood river, but when you start from Maalaea Bay you get the funny wind angle right at the start that requires you to angle pretty hard toward Sorrentos. If you don't, you get out to an area where the mountain doesn't influence the wind direction. Instead of wrapping it just blows straight out. If you don't have a rudder and/or don't know how to catch a swell and ride towards shore then it's Tahiti for you.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 15, 2012, 12:55:53 AM
Well yesterday was so onshore that even in the bay center, one would have been swept into north Kihei.  When the report used the preposition "out' it really meant "away" from where they started.  I, like PBill, assume 'out' to be towards Tahiti.  That's the problem with the news.

My problem was I made the assumption that since they were even out in any kind of wind they were paddlers of basic ability.  That was wrong.  Finally got the skinny.  Turned out to be just regular tourists trying SUP  in one of the strongest wind funnels in the world.  Kinda like thinking one wants to try surfing for the first time and paddles out at the Pipe.

What's that expression?  "God protects the dumb and the drunk"
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 15, 2012, 09:27:40 AM
Here is a picture to help illustrate what HM is describing.  It's the line I paddled that evening.  Like HM said, the wind was 'onshore' meaning pushing me to my left.  Wind in my right ear.  So I was paddling to 'stay out' most of the time (surfing right).   

Yesterday evening the wind was 'offshore' so we got pushed 'out' and had to paddle to get in (surf left).  Wind in my left ear.  This is when it's exceptionally dangerous for novices.  The wind can push you far out to sea when that happens.  Miles and miles. 

I think what HM said about the tourists is that they tried to get back to where they started.

 (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore8-13-12700x353.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 19, 2012, 01:12:01 AM
Good conditions on the south shore today.  Fun run to Makena landing.  First time in the new shuttle on the south shore.  JC paddled his bullet.

south shore, 8-18-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Znn7vq-GHk#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 20, 2012, 09:44:27 AM
Here's a picture of Saturday's south shore run.  Wind was right down the line.  It's a bit stronger further out.  That red line out from the cove is 2 miles.  That's a very long swim if my ski or paddle fails.  I carry a VHF radio in my pfd, always.

West Marine has a new model, it's small and inexpensive at $99.  They work better than phones if you are in real trouble.  All boats in the area are on line. 

Too many SUP rental rescue stories lately.  Beware the wind on the south shore.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore8-18-121700x421.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on August 20, 2012, 02:01:23 PM
Where was JC in the video?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on August 20, 2012, 02:36:50 PM
JC was on a SUP Bullet.  LPB would have to drag a brick to stay with a SUP.  Added to that they go out farther.... much farther.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on August 20, 2012, 08:00:48 PM
People think South Shore = tame and safe, Maliko =  danger when really it's South Shore = no beating but potentially dangerous, Maliko = safe but maybe some beatings.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on August 20, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
was @ Ukumehame last week with Randy,wind got 2 strong 4 me,then nuclear,so i came in,and watched Randy rescue 2 women on rented sups getting blown out to Lana'i,they were pretty far out already.Hubbies had already called 911,by the time the boys got there,Randy had brought them safely in.15 minutes later,not a puff of wind,all glassy for about 30 minutes,that's Maui
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 20, 2012, 11:09:07 PM
Where was JC in the video?

I was searching as I angled in.  Unfortunately, I can only glance to the side for a moment.  A dedicated scan requires a stop and legs out of the boat.  Bright clothing helps.  Friends have hulied in outriggers nearby and I've missed it.  Directly in front is much easier for me. 

LPB would have to drag a brick to stay with a SUP.

That reminds me of a Dave K. story. 

It was a south shore downwinder, good conditions.  I started just before him in my old V-10 sport.  I had my camera going and hoped he would go by.  After about 10 minutes he came gliding by.  The interesting thing is, he wasn't paddling.  He glided by and stayed out front for about 5 minutes, gradually pulling away. 

Not one stroke.  Zero.  I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't filmed it.

When he started paddling he vanished quickly.  WAY out front in a bright red shirt.     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 22, 2012, 01:17:15 AM
South shore has been good lately.  Here's a short clip from tonight's run.

south shore 8-21-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrR33-BPPCY#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 26, 2012, 02:25:09 AM
Amazing water color today.  The wind was light and the total lack of north swell meant crystal clear water.  These clips are from the best bits of light color.  Very beautiful on the north shore today.  FUn run too, very steady and predictable glides. 

maliko 8-25-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kCMR4lg6Jc#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 04, 2012, 01:21:03 AM
Maliko was good today.  High tide and a good fetch from the east made for good conditions across the reef. 

Summer conditions are the best.  South shore always has something for me after work, malikos are great fun on the weekends. 

I've been on a roll lately with 64 of 65 days paddled in the v-10.  Great fun.  Easy on the shoulders, great for the back.

Mike only has a few maliko's in ski under his belt and he's already zooming across the reef.  It took me years before I'd venture in there.  If you look closely he takes a sharp right to get further out.  Wise move.  It got a bit sketchy after this clip.  Not much to see so I cut it, but I was lucky not to have been mowed.  In winter this area can get very big and very dangerous.  Some call it camp one, it's just before upper kanaha.   

maliko 9-3-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOyn9f5fLU#ws) 


Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 04, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
That was great, especially when Mike got close.  The addition of even one other paddler makes a huge difference.    Leave tomorrow ... see you in Oct.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on September 04, 2012, 07:13:19 PM
Wow, that wave at 3:23 had your number.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 06, 2012, 09:27:54 AM
^Umm, ok.  911 maybe.  It was shallow and I wanted to work my way out.  Those are powerful, unforgiving swells in there PB.  Like I said, I was lucky not to have been mowed on that reef.  At my skill level, I was too far inside for those conditions.         

Good fun on the south shore Wednesday evening.  GPS and video are great for showing me how keep the average speed up.  The sudden lean backs and nosedives at the end of these clips are to be avoided.  Looks like fun and a good drop, but it almost always kills hull speed.  Smooth transitions and relaxed easy paddling are the key in big boats.  

south shore 9-5-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWaUoX5TVSE#ws)

    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 11, 2012, 01:05:48 AM
South shore was excellent this evening.  I may bump my paddle out 1 cm (to 210) on days like this.     

south shore 9-10-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbeiT3ne054#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: RainWaves on September 12, 2012, 06:38:23 PM
 I was watching the Kama'ole webcam monday afternoon, and wondered if any was making a run, it was cranking! Glad you got out, looks like it was fun.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 12, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
The opening pic is great, right as you drop into a bomb.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Fitzsup on September 13, 2012, 07:44:24 AM
My wife and I made last minute plans to get to Maui late next week.  We have only been in the winter and are familiar with typical conditions around Kihei during that season.  Since our last visit we have advanced in huge bounds regarding our SUP abilities, but are still "beginners.". We are comfortable in 15mph winds and 3.5' disorganized Great Lake chop.  This thread is of interest to me because of the cited incidents on the South side. 

Our plan is to rent a few boards for the week, get some small wave time in at the beginner spots in Kihei - but we also wanted some open water time.  My assumption has been that we would be "safer" on the south side, and have a greater chance for mild conditions- so we should stay in that area.  We've always wanted to rent a place on the north shore, but I discounted that idea as I thought we would have to drive 45 minutes to get in the water every day

We certainly planned to seek out a guide for any distance paddling, but the question is -  are we any more likely to find safe conditions in either locale this time of year? Or is the south still a better bet, check in with a guide and pick a day for a shorter Maliko run?

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 13, 2012, 08:26:20 AM
Really nice run.  What PFD do you use?  It looks like it doesn't get in the way at all.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on September 13, 2012, 08:51:54 AM
My wife and I made last minute plans to get to Maui late next week.  We have only been in the winter and are familiar with typical conditions around Kihei during that season.  Since our last visit we have advanced in huge bounds regarding our SUP abilities, but are still "beginners.". We are comfortable in 15mph winds and 3.5' disorganized Great Lake chop.  This thread is of interest to me because of the cited incidents on the South side. 

Our plan is to rent a few boards for the week, get some small wave time in at the beginner spots in Kihei - but we also wanted some open water time.  My assumption has been that we would be "safer" on the south side, and have a greater chance for mild conditions- so we should stay in that area.  We've always wanted to rent a place on the north shore, but I discounted that idea as I thought we would have to drive 45 minutes to get in the water every day

We certainly planned to seek out a guide for any distance paddling, but the question is -  are we any more likely to find safe conditions in either locale this time of year? Or is the south still a better bet, check in with a guide and pick a day for a shorter Maliko run?


Contact either Jeremy Riggs (JRiggs) or Bill Boyum (headmount) for a guided Maliko run. It's absurdly fun, and either of them will make sure you don't get into trouble. Jeremy's trips are a bit more expensive and concentrate on technique. It's been nine months since I did one with him and I'm STILL working on the stuff he taught me. Bill's trips are more about the experience and minimizing the fear factor. No one knows the place better than Boyum, and he is one of the few people that can get you into the beach for shorter runs without undue drama.  You'll see the value of that once you're out there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 13, 2012, 10:06:25 AM
Really nice run.  What PFD do you use?  It looks like it doesn't get in the way at all.
I can't feel it.  Looks goofy as my bike helmet, but they can save your ass if things go wrong.     

http://www.astralbuoyancy.com/products/men/V8/index.html (http://www.astralbuoyancy.com/products/men/V8/index.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 15, 2012, 01:38:11 AM
Super fun maliko today.  Wind was strong and steady from the east, tide was high.  Conditions were excellent.  The ski is usually relatively easy in those conditions, but filming standups zipping around is tiring.  I was falling out due to exhaustion by the end of the run.  Devin was turning more, which was really tough to film.  Jeremy's lines were smoother and more gradual like a boat.  He was running away on the bigger swells.

maliko 9-14-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX5XFTYxB-g#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: J.Riggs on September 15, 2012, 11:08:57 AM
That was fun! Good to paddle with you again. Cool video!
Here's some pics.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 18, 2012, 04:27:22 AM
New personal record on my weekday evening run.  8.8 mph average. 

They say the key to a fast run is to limit the lower dips of the gps graph.  Today's run has a long section where the graph stays above 9 mph.  That's fast for me, unusual for such a long period.  Those lower dips are tough for me to avoid.  The south shore is much easier than maliko in that respect.

Today marks one year in the ski.  Super fun boats.  Really good in all conditions, but I'm obviously spoiled here on Maui.       

This clip is the section between 19:30 and 24:00.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore9-17-12700x513.jpg)

south shore 9-17-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIoFzz58DTM#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 18, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
This clip is the section between 19:30 and 24:00.   

Photobucket is red x'ing, so here it is again. 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 18, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
I remember just living on the back of bumps on the ski.  Just enough paddle to stay there, let the ocean do all the work.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 18, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
^That's my goal. 

It's fun to gradually learn what the boats can or cannot do.  The 'spin out' at 0:50 is my favorite part of the video.  It looks like an error to me, but the v-10 just motors on to the next glide.  An intermediate boat is much less forgiving.  I remember the v-10 sport stopping dead in the water, almost doing a 180. 

The gps and video are a big help because I'm usually alone.  When the 6 man distance season finishes the boys will be back in the one man.  Then I'll be able to see some smart lines.  They make it look so easy.  As do Devin and Jeremy at maliko.  They don't paddle very much but zoom right along.  Fun to watch.

Speaking of which, Jeremy just did this on vimeo.  I'll post up a picture of the tail of his bullet sometime next to the tail of my ski.  His is flat underneath and mine is round, but I think his is narrower. 

https://vimeo.com/49651165   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 18, 2012, 02:12:18 PM
He makes it look easy, but few people could handle a board that narrow.

Plus, I was usually working with bumps less than waist high.  It would be more tricky on a Maliko.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 19, 2012, 05:54:03 PM
Another really nice run.  Thanks for the tip on the PFD.  I'm looking forward to seeing the comparison photo of Jeremy's Bullet and your V10.

So the V10 makes the runs significantly easier?  The V10S would stall out on a spin?  I'm comfortable on my V10S, but I may have to take Mike Owens' advice and start padding up the seat to push my balance so I can handle a skinnier ski.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 19, 2012, 09:40:32 PM
^Yes, IMO, the v-10 makes downwinding much easier.  One of the main reasons is its ability to track across a swell better than a shorter, wider boat.  I couldn't tell you why the boat behaves this way, but the result is a more relaxed ride.  We all know the key to downwinding is to sit up high on the swell and angle across.  Somehow the 10 just hangs in there, feels more stable and offers more chances to steer without losing the glide.  When I blow it and the tail starts to spin, there is a bigger window of opportunity to save momentum.  

And this isn't due to experience on the water.  It's most apparent when you first switch to the 10.  It's tippier, yes.  But it's more at home doing what skis and outriggers are supposed to do.  You just have to get it on the glide, let it run and feel the difference.  The hull is actually 12% narrower and 7% longer.  Those sound like big numbers when it comes to moving anything through water.  

Someone started a thread over on sufski info asking for input on shaping a downwind specific ski.  He wanted to think outside the box with a big planing tail, extra fins etc.  The experts let him know that it's all about the glide.  A planing hull has too much drag on something like a ski.

http://www.surfski.info/forum/35-surfski-innovations/13204-design-challenge-ultimate-downwind-destroyer.html (http://www.surfski.info/forum/35-surfski-innovations/13204-design-challenge-ultimate-downwind-destroyer.html)

To a much lesser degree, intermediate boats can't link glides like elite boats because of that transition zone.  The dips in a speed chart kill average speed.  

If you are comfy on a sport, try the V-10.  Stability will come.  Don't get me wrong, the sport is a very fast boat.  It took me weeks if not months to get faster on my 10.  The beauty of the 10 is more speed, less effort.  

As for Jeremy and our skis, I'm sure he he could roll one upside down, stand on it and paddle around.  The tail is rather flat on the top.   :)  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 21, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
A "downwind specific ski" - pretty funny.  The V10 is like the Porsche 911.  Once you get it right, no point in changing it until you can come up with something better.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Tecpartner on September 22, 2012, 09:42:01 AM
Just out of curiosity:

1 paddle 2 paddle / LaPerousebay:

Have you guys tried a V12?  How does it compare tp the V10 for downwinding?  The nice thng about the V10 is that the price is coming down hard.  They're coming up for sale at below 1000 on the East Coast.

I was surfing my V10S and V8 a last weekend, and really had fun. The V8 was solid as a rock even in the rough.  A V-8 placed 6th (3rd except for a time penalty due to paddling the wrong side of an island), in a race up in Massachusettes.  There is definitey something to be said for stability, so you can lay down power. 

But it's interesting to learn your perspective on the V10 ski. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 22, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
We have a few v-12's here.  I've not tried one.  The v-12 guys like them.  But they are expert paddlers, so their opinions don't relate much to me. 

They say the 12 turns better and the secondary stability works good at maliko.  But those guys have been in elite boats for many, many years. 

I considered a 12, but a veteran said 'don't do it, the 10 is more stable'.  My guess is that only an experienced paddler can justify a 12.

Wow, a V-10 for less than a grand?  That would sell fast here.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 22, 2012, 10:39:22 PM
I've never paddled a V-12. What I understand is that the V-12 is a notch faster in flatter conditions but once conditions get rougher the V-10 is just as fast, while being more stable.

I've said it before - the magic of the V-10 is how stable and comfortable it is, for being as fast as it is.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on September 26, 2012, 05:26:19 PM
 just for you,this was posted on ocean paddler,and i see my niece dancing on that too
https://vimeo.com/50212766
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on September 26, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
Tahiti has its water sports dialed in.  Heck, the production value on that video is amazing.

I guess it is not a big mystery why they are so good at paddling, they put so much into it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 26, 2012, 10:32:56 PM
Breathtaking scenery.  The barrier reef is amazing.  I cannot imagine how beautiful that must be in person.  Wow. 

Nice shots of the swells.  Those were some great conditions. 

How great would it be to finish with the drums and the girls dancing.  Very nice.

Thanks for that. 
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 22, 2012, 01:33:29 AM
Fun maliko today.  Really enjoying the the V-10.  Today was 113 days paddled in the last 118.  I'm not bored yet.   :)  Maui is so perfect for wind.  Over a hundred of those days are downwinders. 

Excellent conditions today.  Solid east swell with no NW.  I'm always very cautious in the ski, today was no exception.  The east wind and swells drove me way out.  South shore is my primary run, today was crazy big by comparison.  Very, very exciting.     

maliko 10-21-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlBeVAp5pHk#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on October 22, 2012, 09:51:52 AM
That was great.  I've noticed it before and it was very apparent in this vid, that a sun spot glare actually helps delineate the depth of the troughs.  I dug it.  Looked like mostly braking and steering for you.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 29, 2012, 01:51:29 AM
Yes, the bracing seems to be very helpful.  The curved surface of a wing blade is well suited to drag across the water.  It may slow the boat a bit, but the ability to relax and lean on the blade for a moment is a welcome relief from constant balancing.  People often ask 'but you don't have an outrigger?'  When I explain that a kayak blade is actually like two amas, of course they look at me like I'm demented.  Oh well...

South shore was super fun this weekend.  Solid conditions to polo beach both days.  Today Mike paddled with us.  He's a much better paddler than I am.  Better technique, balance, much faster on flat water.  But I have an edge in downwinding experience.  We took it easy alongside each other today.   

south shore 10-28-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV57x7JRA2s#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on October 31, 2012, 03:22:38 AM
More fun on the south shore. 

south shore 10-30-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i6f6F-9uUc#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on October 31, 2012, 03:16:41 PM
These conditions weren't just ski and OC-1 good, the were stand-up good.  Really good.  It seems like that time of year...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 01, 2012, 02:07:02 AM
More fun on the south shore. 

south shore 10-31-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OXLCOU2Ax0#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 14, 2012, 09:10:36 PM
Thank you Headmount and Pono Bill for taking me along on a sweet Maliko run today! You guys are awesome. Here's the garmin track link:

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/243445837 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/243445837)

Lucky to have nothing but a nice wind swell and no groundswell for my virgin run. The colors of the water are spectacular. Turquoise, deep blues, blue greens with amazing visibility, indescribably beautiful. A day I will never forget. Thanks again you guys!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on November 14, 2012, 10:46:34 PM
You did well.  More on the way.  Ready for tomorrow?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 14, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 26, 2012, 10:34:18 PM
Howling offshore conditions on the south shore today.  About halfway down the run I gave up trying to make speed and focused on getting to shore.  With about 3 miles left - safely near to the shore - I turned downwind and had some fun.  The middle section was brutal.  The road to tahiti was open for business.   

We had some very experienced paddlers get swept way out.  They usually finish first, but had to double back to make it to the finish.  It usually wraps in toward the end, but even the Hawaiians got fooled today.

south shore 11-26-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxJ4Pgf5kEA#ws)   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 26, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Was on the north shore today mid day - hardly blowing but a bumpy ocean with what looked like a short period swell. Got back over to the south side about 2 or so and it was howling but looked to be moving in and out from near the shore line. Cool that you got a nice run - looked like some good long surfs! Sounds like a spooky day to be out there though.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on November 27, 2012, 09:56:27 AM
Yes.  LPB confirmed what I saw on the cams and I didn't even load up the truck.  Days are even worse for us on SUBs than LPBs' ski.  Today might be different tho.  Call me Greg.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on November 27, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why would we call you Greg??? 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 27, 2012, 11:56:55 AM
You'd call me because it would make you feel like a pro to see me struggling through my fear. ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 27, 2012, 11:59:59 AM
Why would we call you Greg??? 

God I'm slow. If pdx Mike had written that, I would have gotten it the first time. Gotta get some better coffee.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: pdxmike on November 27, 2012, 12:54:31 PM
Don't call me Shirley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on November 27, 2012, 01:04:09 PM
No, Shirley's with me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 27, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
/ Sounds like a spooky day to be out there though.
Yes, it was.  I wasn't having much fun until I got close to the beach.  Relaxed, patient, but zero glides on the big swells. 

(offshore) / Days are even worse for us on SUBs than LPBs' ski. /
Very true.  Ski's are the most forgiving paddle craft in those conditions.  Oc-1's walk a razors edge to maintain hull speed.  They do their best to zoom left, but if the wind gets that ama, over they go.  The elite standups can do magic.  Average standups are in deep trouble.  Best to lay down and prone it in.  The wind will push out, relentlessly. 

Here's a pic of yesterday's line and more video.  The previous vid is footage on the left in the picture, 'close' to shore.  This video starts on the white dot, over a mile offshore. 

The wind is drilling me in the left ear.  I've given up hope of running the ridge of anything fast, just working my way in.  As you can see by the line, I don't make much headway.  Gopros ruin everything more than 20 feet from the boat.  But if you look carefully, I'm searching for threads heading on shore - between the big swells running off shore.  Tough sledding. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore11-27-12700x316.jpg)

south shore 11-26-12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSXfUEsyk-I#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 27, 2012, 06:10:56 PM
Just finished an awesome S Sider with nice wind direction. Started at the Canoe Hale in N Kihei and went to Wailea Beach. Good wind most of the way, got a little lighter somewhere off the Cove but then it filled back in near the boat ramp. I was on a borrowed fixed fin 14 and the wind and swell were very friendly. It was no problem angling left (or right). Great bumps right into the beach at the end. Glad it wasn't like yesterday - real glad to miss that. Thanks to Bill and Bill for getting me out there - you guys rock!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on November 27, 2012, 06:42:51 PM
You're welcome.  We were lucky and our timing was spot on.  Better that you went on my 14' 6" than that 12'6".  First time that the bottom was better than the top for me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on November 27, 2012, 08:30:30 PM
The 14 6 was really a nice ride and was a surprise in pretty much every way. Very fast on the glides,  much more stable than I expected and very steerable. Really a pleasure to ride. Thanks again! The downwinders I've done with you guys are just outstanding and are the highlight of my trip. I could do those every day forever and never stop grinning or being awed by the incredible ocean here.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on November 27, 2012, 08:50:02 PM
That was a good one, and I needed it. Sure cure for the blahs. Looks like no wind for a while, and good surf, so that works too.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 12, 2013, 11:21:38 PM
Fun day on the south shore.  Sol and Lauren bought my old V-10 sport a few weeks ago.  I was the 3rd owner, they are the 5th.  They are loving it.  Excellent cross training for their primary sport of paddling outrigger. 

I lost my gopro2 a few weeks ago, surfing the ski.  No leash on the camera or mount.  :(

This vid is with a gopro3 white edition.  The mount is lower and closer to me, but it still looks ok.  Nice camera - much smaller.

http://youtu.be/gB0V9P9zaL8 (http://youtu.be/gB0V9P9zaL8)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on February 12, 2013, 11:29:42 PM
That was fun, especially with the others.  New cam works good but seemed a bit darker than old one.  Did you think so?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 12, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
^Yes, the blues should have been brighter that time of day.  Maybe it's the winter sun angle.  And, the sun was going in and out of the clouds.

An early maliko run is usually good for color.  Especially in summer.  Sun from behind is always good with action cams.     

I am happy with the crisp focus at the edges. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on February 13, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
I feel your pain LPB, I've lost 2 go pro 2's. I'm down to a relatively cheap hero 1, which I'm not that crazy about. Which is why I will probably never lose it.

The sharpness and clarity is really good I think. Really like having the other boat in the field of view too! I need to put something on my lens, maybe rain x, to keep it clear and free of water droplets.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on February 13, 2013, 10:28:37 AM
I bought my Quadcopter an early birthday present--a GoPro Black. Yes, I know, I said they'd never get my money again, but the little bastard wanted one, and he promised not to use it to spy on me ("just the neighbors, I swear" says he). I don't completely trust him, but I have to say the pictures are damned good. The stability control eliminates most of the "jello" I've been getting. If I wasn't so lazy I'd do a better job of balancing the props and motors to eliminate the problem at it's source. But when you're breaking props by the gross, it feels like a wasted exercise.

Biggest problem with the black so far is that the batteries are usually drained when I want to use it. I haven't figured out how to turn everything really OFF I guess. Leaving it connected to charge makes the bugger warm to the touch, which isn't great for electronics. LiPo batteries shouldn't get hot when they charge anyway. Only during discharge.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on February 13, 2013, 12:10:18 PM
And the waterproof housing I presume.  Let's use it on a run and see how it works.  Wow the black.  Cool.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 13, 2013, 06:57:34 PM

The sharpness and clarity is really good I think./

I agree.  Gopro made a good compromise with this lens regarding wide angle and fisheye distortion.

It's a shame the file that comes out of the memory chip looks better before I run it through youtube.  My guess is that they need to compress the big files - which degrades the image.  Oh well, its free and good enough for me. 


I need to put something on my lens, maybe rain x, to keep it clear and free of water droplets.
Gopro recommends rainX and it works for me.  The original version in the yellow bottle.


New cam works good but seemed a bit darker than old one.  Did you think so?

Gopro has a free video editor called cineform.  I tried it today for the first time.  It has a few adjustments, simple to apply.  I was concerned about time needed to process the changes, but it was very fast.  I'm suspicious that they compress the file too. 

It looks brighter. Maybe a tad too bright with the glowing hat, but I didn't spend much time on it.

http://youtu.be/9BBXnamkzzs (http://youtu.be/9BBXnamkzzs)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 21, 2013, 05:34:00 AM
Very windy south shore run from KCC to the cove. 

http://youtu.be/dD6XhWIxoXg (http://youtu.be/dD6XhWIxoXg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Maui-belle on February 21, 2013, 09:07:17 AM
Great info on this thread for a novice, thank you!!!...  anyone thinking of doing a Kihei run today?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on February 21, 2013, 09:10:05 AM
Wow conditions were epic for you guys.  

My only input on the vid is to angle the cam off to one side or another so that you're on the side of the frame rather than center.  That way when someone like Mike comes into the frame, we can see more of him.  You have a dedicated side to keep other people on and it works well.  

Huge troughs for you guys.  We chose wrong by going on north side.  Full-on  grind by comparison.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on February 21, 2013, 12:14:28 PM
Yep, that looked pretty darn sweet. Looked like some amazing glides and some nice waves as you started to head in. Love watching these vid's and reading the stories.

It's either nuking and so freezing a downwinder is foolish or awesome glass race practice paddling here in Hood River lately. Hope we can come over to Maui soon!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 24, 2013, 07:12:45 AM
 
My only input on the vid is to angle the cam off to one side or another so that you're on the side of the frame rather than center. /

I like the side angle too.  The mount is a work in progress.  It is currently set up with only the gopro plate - which allows only pitch adjustment.  I'll add a ram ball to it for a swivel mount.

More fun on the south shore Saturday.  It's been very good late afternoons this week.  But the timing window is short.  It's usually offshore but this day was very onshore.  I had a tough time linkng glides to stay out.  Tricky to fit a big boat across the tight swells.  Super fun.

http://youtu.be/O3vUZuUg5EU (http://youtu.be/O3vUZuUg5EU)

   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on February 25, 2013, 06:37:14 PM
LPB, so damn glad you replaced your GoPro. If you lose this one give me a shout and ill send you another. Love the ski vids and your conditions. I like to watch your vids and often think that on the west coast of FL we see what I would call _conditions_ only a few times a year. And then read in your posts how you just head out for a casual afternoon downwinder. Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 27, 2013, 10:43:48 AM
Thanks Eric, glad you like the videos. 

Here's a good one from my heroes down south.  The water is cold, the put ins and take outs are rugged and the wildlife is terrifying.  These guys have the safety gear dialed. 
 
Summertime Surfski on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/23034771)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 06, 2013, 03:58:09 AM
Relaxed south shore run, medium winds.  Vince's new oc-1 is super light.  The hull only weighs 15 pounds.  The entire boat is under 19.   

http://youtu.be/LY9FC-gGeqc (http://youtu.be/LY9FC-gGeqc)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 06, 2013, 06:36:53 PM
Another great vid. There you are paddling your V10 which is a boat I really want to add to my quiver. Waiting for the new hull design to surface. And your friend Vince is paddling the same OC1 that I have, the Storm. Don't know if its just the camera angle but looks like he's cheating the ama pretty heavily. I think you must have to be a very experienced and confident outrigger paddler to handle the Storm as the ama weighs NOTHING. Seriously, by the time I feel the ama getting light it's gone. As we've discussed on PM's the V10 is so much more balanced. So much easier when you brace not to have the momentum of the ama potentially overpowering the hull. Anyway, after a gray and snowy day in the east TN mtns watching your video in the warm water and the sound of the water in the background is pretty healing for me. Counting the days until I get my ass back home to FL. Maybe no downwind opportunities like yours but at least it's warm.....er.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 06, 2013, 08:15:19 PM
Congrats on owning a storm.  Incredibly light.  It looked very responsive.  

He's only had the boat a few months and this was his first downwinder.  He's a very experienced paddler.  Vince is good friends with Mike Giblin, so he's getting the best advice on the subtle tricks of the boat.  He was leaning on the ama, but he's been working crazy long hours.  His balance will come around when he gets some time on the water.  I'll try to get some video of him later in the summer.  He was really glad to get that run in.

I don't miss the outrigger.  I broke 2 paddles bracing on the right.  Never did an ama down pile in, but I remember coming close.  It was a miracle the ama didn't tear off.  Oc-1's take some serious gas when an idiot like me is at the controls.  

18 months in ski and I've only fallen to the right maybe 3 times.  Less than one percent.  I always fall on the left.  That's from cheating on the ama.        

I'm anxious to see a new V-10.  I'd like to have one of those new bailers every time I make a big mistake!

3 of my outrigger friends have owned my old V-10 sport.  One of them has moved into an elite ski and is really flying.  They are all primarily outrigger paddlers.  They do ski just for cross training.  They all rave about it.  Great way to have fun on "flat" water.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 07, 2013, 03:01:46 PM
Vince was curious about the speed in that last video.

So I sent him this pic.  It's a screen shot grabbed from Garmin's Training Center.  I like the ability to zoom.  It also has a nice smoothing feature to make the graph more legible.

The video had two clips in it, which are marked on the graph.  The 'high tempo' is a section where I zoomed ahead for a few minutes.  The efforts were just a bit higher.  Also, I charted my own course, rather than shadowing Vince.  

Shooting video of another paddler often has me missing glides (to keep someone in frame).  It was ok to fall off glides on this day (those are the big dips in the speed chart).  Vince was going easy, finding the balance point of his new boat.  So, it was relatively easy to build some speed and catch up.  Shadowing someone like Jeremy is crazy hard.  One missed glide and he's gone - no chance of catching up.  He does a lot of waiting with us average paddlers.      

Speed graphs and video are invaluable to me.  The south shore is very consistent in sections.  Very helpful for experimenting.  I like to see the numbers, because seat of the pants can be deceiving.    

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-5-13800x400_zps2de5eb7a.jpg)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 11, 2013, 07:33:36 PM
Here are some google earth pictures of the 3-5-13 run.  Garmin training center overlays in google earth.  The yellow lines are locations in the video.      

Boardwalk to Sarento's

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-5-13-clips800x430_zps9f4c6509.jpg)

Zoomed in - same yellow line (clip 1).  
  
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-5-13-zoom800x473_zps81f51bec.jpg)

I started the camera and the gps at the same time, 5pm.  Now we have 2 files, video and gps.  I match them up the old fashioned way, with a few notes.  That's how I edit most of my videos - scan the graph, note the fast sections and skip right to them in the video.    

Locating a section on the red line is done with the "time slider."  The "time slider dot" moves on the red line as you slide the pointer (in the box).  The pointer has the time of day on it.  

On the time slider the pointer starts at 5:00:00 pm.
On the garmin graph: clip 1 begins at 00:37:30 and ends at 00:39:00.
Next, move the time slider pointer to: 5:37:30 and 5:39:00.

Now, the dot shows where clip 1 begins - or in this case, ends.

The yellow line is created with the "add path" feature.  Start and stop the yellow line - near the positions of the "time slider dot".  The pointer is shown at 5:39:00 - the dot and yellow line mark the end of clip 1.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore3-5-13-zoom1800x473_zpsc556b8fc.jpg)
 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 14, 2013, 02:42:15 AM
Dashware is a neat program that overlays garmin's data on the video.  

It would be nice to have a decimal in the mph.  I may switch to kph for a bit more detail in the speed.

Cool program.  It should be useful for flat water days.  I'm anxious to try it on a big wind event or surfing waves.

It's much easier to set up than I anticipated.  You can watch the video on your own sytem very quickly.  Rendering is similar to the extra time required by Wndows live movie maker.

http://youtu.be/hhOuhALYo68 (http://youtu.be/hhOuhALYo68)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 15, 2013, 02:44:22 AM
Fun waves at the cove.  More experiments with dashware.  $50 seems inexpensive for something this powerful.  Editing is a breeze.  The little map on the boat is a 15 minute segment.  Next time, I'll join the 15 minute MP4 files into one big one so the map is start to finish.  That should look good for downwinding.

http://youtu.be/1WsWQT_WVP0 (http://youtu.be/1WsWQT_WVP0)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 15, 2013, 04:30:22 PM
Amazing how simple it is to overlay data.  Just a few clicks in 3 simple programs - two of which are free.  

Here's a pic of the google earth path.  Red line is drawn by garmin training center.  

Dashware draws a white line and adds a position marker.  That will give me a rough idea where I'm at on a run. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/3-14-13kalamabowls800x422_zps606d226b.jpg)

3-14-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05ahYeRj2dw&feature=share&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on March 15, 2013, 06:19:31 PM
Wow, that's really cool. I keep fighting the Suunto Movescount. Betting I purchase a Garmin product soon. Every Garmin I've used on the bike is just so easy.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 16, 2013, 09:45:01 PM
Very cool. Going to have to check out Dashware, although I have to say, my video skill level is low enough that I'm probably not ready to take on any additional complexity. Seeing Bowls makes me wish I was there.....

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 28, 2013, 11:21:47 PM
Fun run on the south shore today.

south shore 3-28-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpExTaK7pB8&feature=share&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 29, 2013, 09:08:01 AM
Looks nice LPB! Only problem is that the videos make me wish I was there!

It's slowly warming up here and has been glassy or relatively light wind. When it really blows, which will likely happen soon, there's a bunch of us just Jonesing to go, even with our cold water temps. Until then, it's flatwater distance paddles, which actually can get kind of addictive.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 29, 2013, 09:39:24 AM
Southside really lit up yesterday. Bill and I had a fine run to Makena Landing from the pons. I was going to test my RC rudder, but two critical wires broke off while I was fiddling with the thing, so I locked the rudder and went rudder rudderless on my F16, which was fun. Smoking run. My F16 took on some water, which is very uncool since it's a EPS board. I guess my servo well leaked. That sucks.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 29, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Bummer on your leak. I always thought locking the rudder on that board would actually be pretty fun, run back to the tail and foot steer that bad boy with no unexpected 'input'! Hope you can get it dried out.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 29, 2013, 03:57:19 PM
Turned out it was two of the screwholes that hold the servo down that leaked. Surprising that it took on so much through such small holes. But I've got the aquarium pump running on it, and it's back to normal weight.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 29, 2013, 05:04:46 PM
Did you run all the way to Wailea?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 29, 2013, 05:44:59 PM
Makena Landing--it's past Wailea. About 10.4 miles from Kealia Ponds.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 29, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
Sweet! You must of had wind all the way down. The furthest we went when I went with you and Mr. HM was Wailea. I'm looking forward to the full distance next time if the wind cooperates!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on March 29, 2013, 07:41:13 PM
In all the times I've gone that far, yesterday was the first time the wind held to the finish.  PBill and Larry say it happens a fair amount but when it doesn't you have to pay dearly... hot sun on the side of your face and counter currents.    You'll slaughter me on these parts Greg.  (BTW your boards have scorpions crawling all over them so I'm pretty sure they're safe)

I figured the bungee wrap job PBill did around his rudder to secure it to center, would make his board a brick but he was ripping into glides as good as I've ever seen him.  Also had a concern that his rudder wrap might not hold and we'd have it stuck going right, with him going to Kahoolawe.. but it held and worked great.  Didn't know till the end that his foam core board was leaking.   

At first I struggled with the low nose rocker on his V2 which was a handful in the short period wave length.  By about mid-way I began to figure it out or at least my feet were moving quicker but I think the V2 is better on the north side.

The run went by relatively fast and we're hoping for a repeat tomorrow's race to the same finish, although the forecast isn't promising much.  Right now a monsoon rain is settling in.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 29, 2013, 11:32:09 PM
Very fun south shore today with Uncle Biggie.  He was out for almost 2 months with a weird blood infection of some kind.  2 weeks in the hospital on antibiotics.  He's better now - still gaining strength.  Big is 62, and is a master in the outrigger.  He's taught me all I know about downwinding.  He's almost as competitive as I am, so it's always a race.  I'm 10 years younger, so the south shore is usually mine.  Ski's roll pretty good in those swells.        

But maliko - he crushes me.  He charges stuff that I will never go near.  Come to think of it, I've never beaten him at maliko.  Well, I beat him once, but the wind was very light.  I'll be shouting from the rooftops when I beat him on a windy maliko.  He's very fast when it gets heavy. 

south shore 3-29-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHfF15GWGc&feature=share&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg#ws)    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 29, 2013, 11:47:49 PM
HM, thanks for keeping your guard scorpions fed and happy. I'm glad they are on duty. When I come back over, maybe I can hire some guys to get my boards out of that shed for me... ;D

Sounds like you guys had a nice, long run, good thing PB's rudder held and that his board didn't get any more water in it. Hope it's salvageable. If anyone can get it back to normal weight and dry it out, PB can.

it's been nothing but glass and light winds here for the past week. Lots of people ready for some downwind when it finally kicks - it's gonna be a downwind navy when the wind comes back.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on March 30, 2013, 04:52:04 AM
Hi LPB, the new videos with the Dash software are great. Interesting, these videos load super smooth and fast for me compared to the earlier ones. Not sure what has changed but the difference is marked. I went back to the earlier videos to make sure it wasn't just a random high speed internet evening, still had the same slow loading and jerkiness with the old ones.

Back to Maui in September for a few weeks, can't wait! Looking forward to doing some runs with you and the gang. Don't think I've ever been in late September early October, hope the wind is still blowing then...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 30, 2013, 10:56:25 AM
Glad the videos are working better JC.  I'm hoping to get some good stuff this summer. 
The V-10 keeps getting better all the time.  More comfy. 

The wind should be fine for you.  Late summer has very good wind. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 05, 2013, 12:14:23 AM
Fun maliko today.  Andy is visiting from Denver, he rented a V-10 from Richard, our Epic kayaks rep.  Andy is South African, so he was raised in ski's and K-1's.  Amazing technique.  We had another visitor, Dean from Bellngham WA.  Conditions were light, but the fetch was good so the swells were excellent.  1st maliko for them.

http://youtu.be/k5yAXm-ACQU (http://youtu.be/k5yAXm-ACQU)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on April 05, 2013, 04:44:09 AM
Fun maliko today.  Andy is visiting from Denver, he rented a V-10 from Richard, our Epic kayaks rep.  Andy is South African, so he was raised in ski's and K-1's.  Amazing technique.  We had another visitor, Dean from Bellngham WA.  Conditions were light, but the fetch was good so the swells were excellent.  1st maliko for them.

http://youtu.be/k5yAXm-ACQU (http://youtu.be/k5yAXm-ACQU)

Wow, smooth technique, both the guys made it look effortless. Think I'd better bring my paddle with me, love to do a run or two on a ski when I'm there. Wonder if Richard has a V10S I could rent for a few days - or a V8 if its big!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 05, 2013, 08:35:21 AM
Yes, Richard has the V10S and V-8's.  A tandem, V-14 and new version V-10 are on the way from Oahu.  He runs a business and has kids so he's always busy, but makes time to promote ski here on Maui.

Skis are amazing fun in lighter conditions.  Maliko was barely whitecapping yesterday yet we had glides the entire run.  Some of them were outstanding.  Richard would link a few and jump ahead a half mile.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 06, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
LPB, I loved the speedometer on the video.  It really shows how catching bumps is what gets you to the finish line quicker.

A ski is about the only thing that can make light wind conditions enjoyable.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 07, 2013, 01:44:31 AM
Nice E wind today.  Excellent glides with the E swell. 

http://youtu.be/q2JCyFB6_bs (http://youtu.be/q2JCyFB6_bs)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 07, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
It is officially spring and team Bill did a M run today as well.  The top was pretty damn great but a tad sticky at the bottom.  Tide started flushing out and we felt like we were standing still.  First M run in quite some time and it felt fantastic.

Sounds like the canoe guys did epic runs the last two days... starting from Keanae and going to west Maui. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 07, 2013, 09:08:31 PM
Yeah, it felt pretty good. My bicep that got whacked a few days ago was fine, but I must have taken a whack to the ribs too. they started yelling at me pretty quickly. Just before Kanaha I told the other Bill to go ahead without me, I'd just stay out here and die. Well actually I'd just take it a bit easier, but once he hauled away I picked it up and was probably only five or ten minutes behind at the end. The first thrid was great, second third was sticky, last third was great again.

thanks to Scott Trudon and Ashely for the shuttle. Very civilized. Scott's truck is spotless inside. I felt like I was being chauffeured. Especially compared to my jeep, which looks like a homeless person might be living under all the crap.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 07, 2013, 09:24:06 PM
Well he's in sales and has normal type people ride in his truck.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 07, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
HM, 25 boats did Keanae to the harbor yesterday (not west maui).  They had great conditions, very east winds are best on that run.  It's a 26 mile run.   

The same gang (the Lae Ula club) did Maliko this morning.  I hitched a ride with them.  They had 2 trailers again, about 25 boats.  Super fun group.

Fun day, less wind than yesterday, but very nice E swell glides.

http://youtu.be/Hji9T5sf0Cs (http://youtu.be/Hji9T5sf0Cs)

 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 10, 2013, 12:19:00 AM
Great run today, started kind of slow but picked up quick. I was using my radio rudder, and it worked great. I had some issues with my bush league mounting--the duct tape came loose and I had to tie the receiver onto the board while bouncing around off Ho'okipa, but it worked great. It takes a different technique, and I wasn't really getting full use of the greater control until about Camp One, but then it clicked and I was having a blast.

I swapped boards will Headmount at Kanaha. He got the hang of it really quickly, though his shorter fingers made it impossible for him to control the rudder while he was paddling. But since he's so good at reading water and catching bumps that didn't really slow him down and pretty soon he looked like a waterbug, staying in the power section of the swells and getting bodacious long rides.

When you give it full rudder the board actually banks into the turns. You can also use the rudder to regain your balance, turning the board under you to recover. Now I just need to refine this thing and get the attachment and waterproofing to the next level.

Looking forward to testing the autopilot. I rewrote the software tonight and it looks amazing. It adjusts the center trim over a ten degree (five degrees each way) span, slowly correcting the path back to whatever course you lock. I also added reverse expo to both the autopilot and the steering. I think it will be good. It speeds up the rudder response for the first few degrees but then slows it substantially as the rudder turns further. Nice to be able to do this kind of stuff in software.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 11, 2013, 02:01:49 AM
Early 11:30 shuttle had a fun pack of SUP paddlers and only one ski (LPB who used to do SUP)  PBill and I were planning to ramp up and do two but one tapped us out today.  Good conditions, not great, a little jumbled in sections but beginning four miles was awesome.  Did a GPS run from ramp to beach, trying to get my line straightened out for the summer race season when you don't have concerns about surf. 

But sometimes waves pop up way out at sea, Sarah Palin calls them rogue.  Today one clipped me real good.  Kinda spaced out, running along a trough, in that state of mind where you're not in your head anymore.  Usually that's a good place to be where your body has instant reactions.   But I saw the crest, of the  swell I was riding,  loom up pretty tall.  They get tall like that sometimes but usually never break.  Anyway my zen state didn't compute that it would break way off shore.  But it did.  All the sudden I was off my board  in a very wide swath of whitewater, like a real breaking shore wave.  My leash was stretched to the limit and I was kinda blown away.  How? 

Definitely Sarah Palin.  She could be Gidget, don't you think?

Glad I had a solid leash.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 11, 2013, 07:56:59 AM
That was an excellent line you and PB were on.  It was great fun on the ski, gradually tracking you guys down.    

Jeremy and Livio straggled behind a bit in the gulch.  Jeremy was on his custom 22" bullet.  Livio tried it for a few minutes, balancing on one foot.  Those guys are aliens.  When they started, I had to tear my arms off to keep them in view.  Jeremy accelerated very quickly and zoomed left to join his group.  Livio headed outside.

PB was up in Paia,  HM a few k's ahead at Sprecks.  I was close behind HM when he got clipped by the white water.  (I have it on video if you want to see what happened, HM).  Very fun across Kanaha.  HM always picks fun lines across the reef.  

http://youtu.be/UbiAU-d80g0 (http://youtu.be/UbiAU-d80g0)  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 11, 2013, 08:59:05 AM
That ocean wasn't all that open. The line we took was over the upper edge of second reef, less than ten feet of water in places. I just missed getting tagged myself, good thing the ground swell was dinky. I managed to turn in and ride the breaking swell that almost got me, and then turned back out and got the heck outta there.

When Livio passed me I decided to try to stick with him as long as I could, which wasn't long, but that's where my extra energy went. When I was eating lunch later I raised my hand towards my mouth and my whole arm curled automatically, nearly shoving the food in my face. Very weird feeling. These damned 150 pound aliens who never fall, have bigger shoulders than I do, and great paddling technique are going to kill me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 11, 2013, 10:06:32 AM
LPB... cool vid with JR and Livio cruising in front.  And then with all the windows giving data info, it was like some kind CNN broadcast.  So much more when others are in the frame.  You're a perfect match with those guys.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 11, 2013, 01:19:37 PM
Thanks HM, but those guys are much faster than me.  It's interesting to watch them (for the short times I can see them).  They turn very quickly on those big boards to maximize every ounce of hull speed, then wham, they are off on the ridge of a big swell - very different than my long, drawn out lines.  It's very tough to keep them in frame.  Livio was going easy at the start, that's why I ran up to him.  Jeremy literally vanished up ahead and to the left.

I think PB's remote steering can make everyone a lot faster on those big boards.  I've also noticed that the elite oc-1's do some very quick direction changes.

PB, HM was right about being in deep water when he got clipped.  The beauty of dashware is it's ability to pinpoint time.  I was right behind HM when he fell, so it was easy to mark the location on the google map.  He's the dot, in about 96 feet of water.  The next clip (of me, solo) is the little red line further up on the reef.  I'm taking some steep drops in about 18 feet of water.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko4-10-131800x357_zps5056b796.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko4-10-131800x357_zps5056b796.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko4-10-13800x373_zpsc9b88c80.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko4-10-13800x373_zpsc9b88c80.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: J.Riggs on April 11, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
That was sooo fun through Kanaha! 25kph on the ski! Wow! Nice job Larry.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 12, 2013, 09:49:06 AM
Thanks Jeremy, it was great seeing you out there.   

Another big group of standups on the 1pm shuttle Thursday. Team Bill, 6 ski's and an oc-1 all arrived at maliko at the same time.  Slow day in the summer!  Jeremy took this pic.  Team Bill and Ralph Sifford launched just a bit earlier. 

Amazing E swell and wind.  No NW swell, high tide.  Wind eased up for the last mile or so.  Big, big swells.  These girls were charging. 

http://youtu.be/GEuLCQB8Kpo (http://youtu.be/GEuLCQB8Kpo)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko4-10-132800x540_zps74826ca5.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko4-10-132800x540_zps74826ca5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 17, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
We had a few good DW days last week,  then the wind died again when a low caused light south winds that brought only VOG from the BI and very little surf  on saturday. 

These south winds (Called Kona winds around here) are really a KO.  JUst hanging around the house I felt like crap... no energy, congested, and a achy.  Visibility, which is usually to the horizon, was limited to a mile or two.  Landmarks like Haleakala and West Maui disappeared. 

With these conditions there was a Maui to Molokai race put on by the MCKC  this last saturday.  From what I heard there were two participants from the SUP category.  Young Travis and not so young Ron. (50+) Head winds and side chop conditions were described as brutal and their efforts were awesome in my book. 

Ron is already a hero.  He teaches speech at MCC for the last 20 yrs and deserves some kind of medal.  "Was one complete sentence.  Put da big letter at the beginning and da kine period at da end.  Subject, verb.  Wassthat?" 

Anyway Ron finished in over 6 hrs. which is remarkable given the conditions.  He had tried to draft PBill and me into doing it when we saw him last week when the conditions were great.  But we knew the forecast and just shook our heads.

Today the breeze is already beginning to blow in my window and I'm hopeful for a DW run.  At the very least my headache has gone away.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 17, 2013, 11:45:49 AM
Amazing how a few days without wind and waves turns me into a grumpy shit. Worse than a junkie. I drove to Hana and around the backside of the island with Diane and Sam yesterday, always a great ride. What started as a way to eat up a surfless day turned into a very pleasant trip and reminded me that I actually used to do other thing besides surf and downwind here.

All the same it's nice to see the wind coming up. And we'll have a little swell in a couple of days. So I might actually not be so grumpy soon.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 17, 2013, 10:50:13 PM
I had some pent up energy from the last four days of VOG and the events from Boston.  Conditions were full on summer style and cranking.  PBill, a Boston raised guy, was telling me on our shuttle up the coast, that he'd been a little grumpy.  We didn't talk much about what happened in Boston but I could tell he was as keen as I was to get in the water and put the hammer down.

PBill had seen some barges out off the coast and we figured we'd avoid the harbor and do our speed course which is downwind all the way to the last little beach before the harbor... 8.5 miles on my GPS.  Turned my GPS right as we hit the wind line and we were off.  In close between Maliko and Hookipa, where I usually can't put much together, today everything was working.  Low tide and zero surf so we planned to stay on the inside line.  Worked well for me.  Two high speed falls yet my fastest time to this finish recorded on my GPS.  1:10 to oil tanks.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 18, 2013, 12:22:58 AM
Thank god the wind blew today. One more day of this grumpiness and Diane would be kicking me out to the Ohana. I was also catching every bump and hooking everything together but that bugger Headmount just steadily pulled away. I really don't get it, I was in every wave, and almost every big drop was hooked into another. How is he going so much faster?  I was at least ten minutes behind at the tanks. oh well, it was a fine run.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 18, 2013, 02:32:35 AM
Fun run with Jeremy as he coached Hillary and Peggy today.  I tagged along and watched as he gave them advice on the bumps.  Conditions were excellent.  We were inside of your line HM.

Jeremy has some good tricks for steering.  That's the key to downwinding quickly on a standup, IMO.  I see all the fast guys using them.     

http://youtu.be/7Mq6tv_m95Y (http://youtu.be/7Mq6tv_m95Y)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 18, 2013, 01:52:36 PM

I really don't get it, / How is he going so much faster? /


Get those shoulders back.  Tough to do with a stiff knee - so get your remote steering dialed.  It's going to revolutionize downwinding on big boards. 

I feel your pain.  My shoulders need to move forward. 

HM, balanced and relaxed.  Big power with the weight over the feet.  Essential if you want to change direction quickly.  And that's what maliko is all about.   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/008700x393.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/008700x393.jpg.html) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 18, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
Kicked HM's ass today. Oh, I know, he'll say he was escorting a guy on his first run. We all have out little excuses.

Really fun run, it started out looking like a 101 at the gulch and ran up to grad school about the time I rolled over the reef way, way on the inside (for me, mr. Chicken) at Spreks. I was in deep doo-doo for a while, but rode it out without drama and then angled out a little. Good thing.  When you're already in the water and a wave tumbles you and your board like the spin cycle, it's time to get the heck outta there. My tail handle was very reassuring. I don't think a leash would have held.  I popped up and caught the next express train.

Coming into the harbor was CRAZY. I caught a nondescript little wave and rode it so long I had time to check my email. 1.25 to the harbor mouth, 1.36 to the sand. Not great, not bad.

(http://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/maliko.jpg)

Yeah, You're right Larry, I need another session with Jeremy before I cut out for Hood River
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 19, 2013, 02:16:27 AM
Excellent conditions today.  Nice glides start to finish.

http://youtu.be/LFHiYhHj3kM (http://youtu.be/LFHiYhHj3kM)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 19, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
LPB.. great vid and follow of RS.  Did you notice a slight lag in the speed read out?  In any case it's kinda cool seeing the bursts you're getting at the top of the crests.  I dig the patience you have these days.

I'm beginning to notice those times when there isn't a huge apparent sensation of speed but gaging the paddle pressure during strokes, I can tell that I'm indeed on a pulse that's usually feeding me into something even bigger. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 19, 2013, 01:34:54 PM
I agree, GPS is great, but has some issues with instant speed readout on the bumps.  I should mount the antenna on my head!   

Patience is important for me.  Better to let a few bumps go than struggle and let them ALL go.

Yes, those pulses feel great.  It's a shame that video doesn't relate the power of those fast links.  They look relatively boring - the water is almost flat.  Small bumps on a big swell are the holy grail at maliko.

The dashware and garmin graph show it though.  The lumps on my graph usually run about a minute or so.  If I can keep the lower end of that bump at 15kph, good things are happening. 

Some peaks are cool to see, but I'd much rather hover in the high teens than zoom between the 20s and single digits.  Steep drops look exiting on video, but average speed also plummets. 

The peak speeds you refer to (on the crests) are the bomb.  That's good fun up there.               

     

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 19, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
I think that's one of my challenges in getting a higher average speed (besides my fat butt)--I love the big drops. I know that when you fall out of one you pretty much stop unless you manage to find something new just as you are slowing. I'll chase a big drop and let three easy glides go. A little discipline might be in order. I'm into the smaller bumps but only as a way to increase speed to get the big ones. Jeremy says "chase the little bumps and the big ones take care of themselves."
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 19, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Good one today. Unexpected. As we pulled out of Maliko in light wind Boyum said "damn, I should have taken that guy today instead of yesterday." Microseconds later King Neptune took offense and stuck his trident into the water. I went across camp one without really paddling. Just dragging a paddle, hanging on and steering. Pretty sure that any newby would have been pooping their pants (you have to read that with an Arnold Schwarzenegger accent). I had a good run going with only one fall right up to Kanaha, and then I fell five hundred times.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 19, 2013, 09:00:13 PM
Grey day so it fooled us before the launch. Big water once we all got out there.  Very technical.  Amazing for me, almost fell many times but didn't fall once.

Gung ho group.  LPB snuck up behind me like one of those new electric cars and spooked me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 20, 2013, 01:42:38 AM
Whoops, it wasn't intentional.  Fun run for sure.  Nice glides all the way.   

http://youtu.be/1WDwJHpoe7U (http://youtu.be/1WDwJHpoe7U)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: XLR8 on April 20, 2013, 03:14:25 AM
We had a few good DW days last week,  then the wind died again when a low caused light south winds that brought only VOG from the BI and very little surf  on saturday. 

These south winds (Called Kona winds around here) are really a KO.  JUst hanging around the house I felt like crap... no energy, congested, and a achy.  Visibility, which is usually to the horizon, was limited to a mile or two.  Landmarks like Haleakala and West Maui disappeared. 

With these conditions there was a Maui to Molokai race put on by the MCKC  this last saturday.  From what I heard there were two participants from the SUP category.  Young Travis and not so young Ron. (50+) Head winds and side chop conditions were described as brutal and their efforts were awesome in my book. 

Ron is already a hero.  He teaches speech at MCC for the last 20 yrs and deserves some kind of medal.  "Was one complete sentence.  Put da big letter at the beginning and da kine period at da end.  Subject, verb.  Wassthat?" 

Anyway Ron finished in over 6 hrs. which is remarkable given the conditions.  He had tried to draft PBill and me into doing it when we saw him last week when the conditions were great.  But we knew the forecast and just shook our heads.

Today the breeze is already beginning to blow in my window and I'm hopeful for a DW run.  At the very least my headache has gone away.

I was enjoying following Ron's paddle that day.  He comes to the Midwest and takes us to school each summer, paddling with the BlkBox race team.  We call him Coach Ron.  His sister Mary has won the women's division of the Midwest WPA series two years in a row with two perfect seasons (6 wins, 6000 pts)

Our friend Dave from Detroit Surf kept us in the loop on Ron's progress, though he said it was very difficult to keep track of the paddlers from land.  It did not sound like the type of downwind run I am hoping for when I might finally get to visit at the end of this year.

We were stoked and feeling much respect for Ron for his paddling accomplishment that day.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 20, 2013, 09:56:56 AM
I respect Ron for what he did but a run that long, in those conditions is like marching into Russia in the winter.  Aside from the danger of bonking from any number of reasons, it's very possible to kill the most important thing you have.... your stoke.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 20, 2013, 10:42:50 AM
Looking at your video, Larry, brings home how different the experience is from what it looks like through a camera lens. It appears like a nice, easy, safe, low effort run. I think that's the reason relatively inexperienced folks get to Maui and want to do a Maliko run. The video makes it look easy. Then you paddle out of the gulch and it's a whole different thing. Yesterday was pretty insane, and in the video it looks like a walk in the park.

Its a good thing most get someone like Bill Boyum to guide them and keep them from smashing up a board or getting swept onto a reef. We might have lost a few folks by now if they didn't.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 20, 2013, 11:34:19 AM
Today another low has settled in and we're back in the doldrums.  VOG is slowly moving in and the ocean looks like a mill pond. 

Startling contrast to yesterday.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 20, 2013, 11:51:52 AM
Actually, I'm seeing whitecaps and swell moving from my house, but that might die off. I'm going to load up the Hobie tandem and take Diane for a beach day. We'll see how that works out. In other news, the autopilot version of the radio rudder is ready to be installed, and I built a chamber inside my F16 to hold everything. The servo wire now travels inside the board and everything is well sealed. I'll probably have most of the bugs out juest in time to head for Hood River and start over.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Fitzsup on April 20, 2013, 02:57:43 PM
I've been following this thread for a while now, we will be moving to Kihei in early July and I get so pumped up about it when I watch the videos posted here. (It's 34 degrees outside at my house today) Anyway, just wanted to drop in and say I look forward to potentially meeting, and learning from some of the folks that contribute and read this regularly. 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 20, 2013, 03:20:13 PM

Its a good thing most get someone like Bill Boyum to guide them and keep them from smashing up a board or getting swept onto a reef. We might have lost a few folks by now if they didn't.
 

Yes, It's about time for the safety lecture.  First time maliko paddlers beware (south shore too).  

It's not like the video.  

First timers need some tips, I don't care how strong you are.  

I escorted Anabelle Anderson on her first maliko run, years ago.  For those of you that don't recognize the name - she's a seasoned pro.  She won the BOP last year.  Anyhow, she jumped the shuttle at the last minute - just arrived for the big races.  It was her first time on a 17-4 bullet -steering was on the wrong side.  

The wind was cranking.  

When we heard it was her first maliko, the experienced paddlers glanced around to see who could tag along with her.  I had the time (and she's beautiful), so off we went.  Long story short, she did fine, only fell a few times.  She never got the feel of the board, it was too windy.  The entrance to the harbor was tough to see.  The worst part of the story was how she launched.  

It's important to stay right as you go out, the wind pushes hard to the left and it's shallow over there -  often breaking on some nasty rocks.  Well, she got on her board and immediately dashed straight to the left.  I yelled to her as early as I could, she almost got worked on the rocks.  Then we had a nice chat about what to avoid, should we get separated.  Fun day.  She's a pistol.  I remember her yelling at me in the harbor as I was paddling on my knees (the side wind was brutal)  "Get up on your feet!  Stand up like a man!"  Very bright young lady, excellent ambassador for the sport.   

A few weeks ago our group included a very talented ski paddler (a tourist). Super strong paddler - like Anabelle - far better than me.  We did a maliko in light wind, everything was fine, no falls.  Then another in higher wind.  The wind got him the second day.  He couldn't get back in the boat without assistance.  Lucky he only fell 5 times.  The other paddler in our group was strong enough to help him.  If it had been up to me, we may have lost the boat.  Big NW swell that day.  

  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Fitzsup on April 20, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Perhaps I'm the cautious exception, but it looks far from easy to me on the video's.  Experts frequently have the ability to make something extraordinary look somewhat effortless - but I'm pretty sure my video would look disastrous if I were to show up and paddle into that.

My plan is to get plenty of mentorship and instruction in safer waters and humbly work my way...as long as it may take... into a Maliko DW. 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 20, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
Fitz, you really won't recognize the place from the videos. It's really quite safe with a guide, and any strong paddler that can handle big chop and can deal with fear without panicking can do it--with a guide.

Of course when most of us started there were no guides, and we paid a price in busted boards, afternoon-long swims, and moments that we really can't remember because terror pushes the reset button.

What you're never seeing in the videos because of wide angle foreshortening is that a lot of the wind swells are steady ramps, perhaps 20 feet or more from trough to peak, and the groundswells in the winter can be more than that. They really aren't any big deal, but when people see them they freeze up and can't do anything.

My first time was on Gumby, a 12 foot downwind board Bill Foote made, and I was pretty certain my "friends" had decided to kill me. I did half the run or more on my knees, and I really thought there was a good chance I was going to die. Now I would consider the conditions we were in to be a pretty good run, but 6that time it seemed simply impossible to stand on a board or even to kneel on it sometimes. It's 99 percent mental. Once you loosen up it's doable. and it's so much easier to stay on the board when it's hauling ass than when it's a cork in a very big, very angry ocean.

You're gonna love it. It's worse than crack.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 20, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
From the wayback machine, page 1 of my posts.  I'd been on standup for a year, but only flat water.  Maliko #1 was my first day on the north shore.  I almost drowned, but was hooked.

chan and randy were kind enough to let me tag along on a maliko run today.

/ it was a real blast, and i can't wait to do it again.  

lots to learn in that downwind stuff.  fell off at least 30 times.  


Tide was low and we finished at kanaha.  Randy and Bill Foote were chatting just before the reef, probably switching boards.  (Undoubtedly waiting for the new guy).  I eventually caught up and they made sure I got through ok.  

Jeremy was there on his 12-6 x 24 Footie.  When I got to the finish he was changed, calm, relaxed.  I felt, and looked, as though I'd just been over Niagara Falls.  I asked Randy "who is that guy? and how did he get cleaned up so fast? And how does he stand on that tiny board?"  "Oh, that's Jeremy, he's good."  Fun day.  Great memories.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 21, 2013, 10:03:43 AM
Great stories! Love reading about your early runs and your memories of those experiences. This past Fall/Winter were my first experiences with downwinding on Maui. I look forward to getting more experience and competence but also recognize how special those early experiences are, especially when you go from absolutely stoked to pretty much terrified and back over and over again. It is truly addictive.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 21, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
Great stories! Love reading about your early runs and your memories of those experiences. This past Fall/Winter were my first experiences with downwinding on Maui. I look forward to getting more experience and competence but also recognize how special those early experiences are, especially when you go from absolutely stoked to pretty much terrified and back over and over again. It is truly addictive.
Cove... since you've done both and most recently that great stretch out in the desert east of HR, how would you compare the two aside from water temp?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 21, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
HM, so different in terms of environments - the runs in Maui and that desert run were all stellar experiences in life, in my opinion. I feel I'm a very lucky man to get to have experiences like these.

That desert run was done under really favorable conditions. I'm anxious to go again to find out if it can be even better. There is also another stretch that ends up at a place called Three Mile Canyon, that has incredible potential. I've windsurfed at Three Mile a bunch of times in swells that are overhead and clean. It's an amazing stretch of the Gorge. Got to put together another expedition.

For pure quality of glides, I have to say the desert run was pretty hard to beat. There was so little cross chop or surface chop and the swells were not only relatively big vertically but also long in the horizontal direction - just big long smooth rollers. Beautiful. The wind lined up perfectly with the swell and it was blowing just hard enough, around 35 to 40, that it was absurdly easy to catch some of the really good glides.

I'm also really comfortable in the Gorge and that influences how well I respond on the board. I started windsurfing here in the mid-80's so the river, even when conditions are big, feels familiar.

In Maui, it was not like that. I had a mixture of fear and pure excitement every time we went, especially on the north side. The stoke overpowered the fear but there were moments, on that last run I did with you guys, where the fear and stoke were fighting for the upper hand. My skill level felt adequate but the lack of local knowledge kept me from feeling very confident. That makes it hard to really evaluate the conditions fairly. I think with more experience, my appreciation of Maui conditions and my ability to enjoy those conditions will grow.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 21, 2013, 08:20:48 PM
Well I might do a mainland trip this August and was thinking about popping up there to see if I could do that run.  Even with your wide angle lens it looked great.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 21, 2013, 08:39:01 PM
If you make it up here, hopefully the wind will cooperate. Spring seems to be a bit more reliable for wind in the east end of the Gorge. That said, good days out east are not exactly rare even in Summer so there is a chance you'll hit it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 21, 2013, 08:54:36 PM
August is the highest velocity consistent wind month in the gorge. Make the trip--we have a spare room, or if you stay longer there's always the warehouse.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paddlestandingup on April 23, 2013, 11:20:54 AM
I did my first Maliko run this past Thursday April 18th.  I want to reiterate what others were saying a few pages back.  You must go with someone who will watch out for you until you get some experience out there.  Luckily, I had the excellent Bill Boyum on my shoulder the whole the time.  He was never out of sight and always within yelling distance.  He kept an eye on me the whole time, from start to finish.  I can't thank him enough.  Local knowledge and experience out there is priceless.  If you are from the mainland, it ain't nothin' like you've seen before.

As soon as I hit the wind line, I fell.  I kept trying to stand but just kept falling over and over and ended up knee paddling the whole way.  Bill was right there though and guided me in over the reef for a safe finish at Kanaha.  I was pretty happy to get my feet on that sand and sit down.

It's pretty scary out there.  Everything is new, the water, the wind, your paddle, your board, the rocks, the surf, the sheer size of the swells (and this was considered moderate from what I understand). 

Trust me, it's nothing like the videos!  I felt really, really small and exposed out there.  Get someone (like Bill Boyum) to guide you.  I will try it again though no doubt about it! 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 23, 2013, 12:33:27 PM
Actually that run was anything but moderate. It started off light, but went straight to ten on the wack-o-meter. It would have been challenging for anyone.

When you first come out of the gulch the swell just simply scares the crap out of you. If conditions stay rational you learn that the really big ones just roll right under you, and they are just there to turn your knees to water--unless you freak out and try to cross the wrong reef, in which case they will turn your board into splinters and perhaps do the same thing to you.

You didn't get a chance to calm down and find your feet, just about the time you might have calmed down it all went crazy.

Don't feel lonely--there's a lot of people that have made their first run on their knees--me included. I could hardly stay on my knees.

The easiest way to get hurt is to panic and try to come in across a reef. For most of the run that just doesn't work out very well. You have your first one out of the way. It gets easier after that, sometimes.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paddlestandingup on April 23, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
Thanks PonoBill, I saw you out there waiting for us in the beginning.  I was not prepared for the size of the swell that is for sure.  To feel that wind hit your body while trying to angle the board out and downwind is very tricky. 

I was nervous to start with and then when I kept falling, what confidence I had quickly eroded.  I lost count of the number of times I fell.  The more I knee paddled, the harder it was to stand up.  I never wanted to get too winded and lose my ability to quickly get back up on the board.  About halfway down, I was content to knee paddle and make the most of it and even caught a glide or two.  I even fell from my knees once.

I was not panicky, but I was plenty scared.  Even though Bill was right there I knew I had to stay on that board and paddle it to a beach by myself. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 23, 2013, 04:26:42 PM
Thanks for contributing to the thread paddlestandup.  Less than ideal runs are common.  Sadly, they are not well represented on the forum. 

The wind was gusting to 40 that day (airport).  The fetch was good so you saw big E swells.

It was a 'moderate' day in the sense that we didn't have a NW swell.  E winds can get stronger also.  I would call your run a 'big' day, not 'moderate'.  But it does get bigger.   

Winter NW swells can add size and confusion.  Those days are less fun for me.  Adrenaline overload, slower times due to extra caution.  The fast guys charge and post incredible times. 

They also smash outriggers - every season.  We lost a ski last winter (or winter before?).   I heard he had a very rough go out there.   

Here's the vid from your day.  Those swells are big.  I was out in deep water.  It's good you had a guide across the reef into kanaha.  It has some shallow sections that should be avoided.   
 
maliko 4-18-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFHiYhHj3kM&feature=youtu.be#ws)

I love this garmin player!

http://connect.garmin.com/player/302366574 (http://connect.garmin.com/player/302366574)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paddlestandingup on April 23, 2013, 05:53:57 PM
Hey thanks for posting that video!  I thought I was a pretty good paddler until I got out into that.  Very humbling.  After falling the second or third time I knew it was going to be a long day, there's no turning back once you get out there.  It's a one-way trip.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 23, 2013, 08:07:08 PM
Yeah it was one of those days that didn't look like much driving up but it sure did go once we we were out there.  Anyway You got the feel of the energy and know what to expect next time. 

Some of the guys on this forum that run rivers on the mainland are making vids that show very challenging water.  Plus there's the Columbia River in Oregon.  Lots of great practice areas.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 25, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
Today was like one of those runs in backcountry champagne powder where everyone is babbling trying to express how freakin great it was.  High tide added a favorable current and last few miles were as good as it gets, with long smooth faced troughs.

Even though the surf came up overnight, downwind conditions didn't get too crossed up as they often do with a swell.  23-35mph. 

PBill is heading back to HR soon and I'm sure he'll have this as a good stash in his memory bank.  He had some unbelievably long rides today... best I've seen him do.  Always good to go away with a good feeling. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 25, 2013, 09:29:50 PM
I also had some unbelievable face plants, hard to keep the nose of the V2 from plunging when you're just holding on. I hit so hard on one steep drop that I did a somersault and landed on my back. Knocked the wind right out of me. Good thing there weren't any newbies out today.

Let me put it this way. Jeremy fell three times.

We kind of screwed up and stayed inside too long. Camp one was Indian country. I've never seen the waves be so peaked and mean looking. We angled out pretty hard, but we definitely passed through the valley of the shadow of something--broken boards maybe.

I was talking to La Perouse Larry in the parking lot and he said he was scared all the way. I assumed he was exaggerating, Larry has a zillion runs under his belt, so I said "All the way" and he said "Oh, I wasn't scared when we came out of the gulch, but after that I was terrified."
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 25, 2013, 09:51:18 PM
@ LaPerouseBay,

  how do you control your boat from pearling too much?  I also do downwinders on my OC1, I dont find it nearly as exciting as on a SUP.  On the SUP I have control when it comes to steep faces, I get as far back on that tail as I need to keep that nose up, steep drops dont worry me on SUP.  When I get on my canoe, there is no such thing as "trim" your as the mercy of the boat really. trimming down the face of a wave  as if your making a bottom turn like on a SUP is not as doable on a canoe, it's just not nearly as agile as a SUP.

Do you ever find yourself not taking a bump because it's too steep?  knowing that your going tyo burry the nose up to your feet?  What do you do when your in that situation?  Just curiouis as to how you handle it on your SS
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: J.Riggs on April 25, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
Today was amazing! I look over at watched PonoBill drop into a massive swell at Pier 1 that just kept going and going at top speed.

Larry looks like he's having so much fun on that ski. I would love to try it one day but definitely not on a day like today. I'm pretty sure he buried the nose a few times but it doesn't seem to slow him down.

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 25, 2013, 11:37:37 PM
JF808, that's a really big question.  Here is a link to an article on swell riding.  It's all the same for canoes and standup.  Feel free to ask if any of it is confusing.  It took me a long time to figure out what they are describing.  Time on the water helps.    

http://www.surfski.info/getting-started/tips-training/story/1030/downwind-technique-in-depth.html (http://www.surfski.info/getting-started/tips-training/story/1030/downwind-technique-in-depth.html)

The guy that taught me the most about downwinding gave me two phrases I constantly tell myself.  "keep the boat going downhill" and "relax."

Yes, I pearl my ski occasionally.  V-10's have huge noses for the dreaded nosedive.  I had one today.    

Great run today.  Beat my old outrigger record by 0:36, and my ski record by 1:21.  I'm stoked.
  
Got some video of Jeremy at the start of the run, he dropped me and dove inside.  I was outside as usual. Super fun run.  

Yes, I was spooked all day.  I hate falling when it's big. I always post my best times when I dodge the big bombs and go like hell when they catch me.  

http://connect.garmin.com/player/303360923 (http://connect.garmin.com/player/303360923)

Jeremy at maliko 4-25-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtFlFkGUwRc&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 25, 2013, 11:51:26 PM
Im no stranger to downwind, although like most other places in the world. We dont have conditions like Maliko, harldy anyone does.  I just don't find being on the canoe as fun as my Bullet.  It's faster, but going diagonal on an outrigger is easier said then done, probably much easier to do on longer period stuff that you guys have.  As for our short period bumps here on the big island (more similar to maui south shore) most of the time your rudder is out of the water untill your deep in the trough, so no steering untill you regain water line.  Thanks for that link, I'll read into that too.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 25, 2013, 11:56:51 PM
Great Video of your conditions today! Can't wait to see you guys @ Olukai.  Meeting up with Headmount and maybe Pono on Friday the 12th for training runs down Maliko!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: J.Riggs on April 26, 2013, 01:07:51 AM
Nice video! Thanks Larry. The conditions just kept getting better all the way down. How's the footage of the end of the run compare?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 26, 2013, 08:18:41 AM
The footage at the end has some good connections.  I think there's a good one at pier one.  I'll try to edit on Saturday.

I agree JF808, short period swells can be tough in a big boat.  If I can't hold an angle to go across the face, the v-10 nose is very forgiving.  It will float over most small stuff.  It's also good at charging right over bumps.     

In big crossed up maliko swells, a severe pearl is sometimes unavoidable.  A fast steep wave can grab my tail and steer me into a deep hole.  The nose may go straight down, all the way to my feet.  I'm amazed at how ski's can handle it.  They slow down, spin around a bit but pop back up, seemingly backwards.           
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on April 26, 2013, 03:46:41 PM
 JF808, i personally love the drop on the oc-1 when it buries the canoe all the way to the 'iako.pretty amazing how it comes back up really.the standup definitely  is more agile and maneuverable,but sitting down on the canoe makes the waves look way bigger and the drops steeper,don't you think?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 26, 2013, 07:44:57 PM
Man, we burned it up today. I can't feel my arms, where are my arms.

Sure was fun. I fell coming out of the gulch when I looked the wrong way, once when I was looking back to check on Bill (he went down hard), once more when I got tagged (mugged actually) and then my cable came off the drum and turned hard left. That's it. Other wise a clean run. I'm taking that as technically a one fall run.

I didn't see the train that hit me at the end of Kanaha. I was just thinking we were in the clear when something hit me in the shoulders and tossed me flat onto my board. WTF??? It almost got Bill too, but it reformed just before it got to him.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 26, 2013, 11:36:22 PM
Wow, I really overdid it. I have cramps in my ankles. Seriously. I didn't even know you could get cramps in your ankles. Biceps and Triceps are numb on both sides. My legs ache way down inside and are trying to cramp up. I'm tiptoeing around trying not to trigger a leg cramp because I think if one goes, they're all gonna go. Going to be a long night.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 27, 2013, 09:56:54 AM

Thanks for that link, I'll read into that too.


Here is another one.

http://www.kamanucomposites.com/2012/the-de-mystification-of-surfing-an-oc-1 (http://www.kamanucomposites.com/2012/the-de-mystification-of-surfing-an-oc-1)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 27, 2013, 03:11:17 PM
Hmmm, it wasn't supposed to blow today, but it is. Not crazy like yesterday, but do-able. I had a good nights sleep--I think. I was unconscious so I'm not sure.  So I'm probably going to have to go.

Junkie.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 27, 2013, 04:05:05 PM
Enjoy. It's Marcia's birthday so we hiked Beacon Rock this morning.

Meanwhile, it's completely filled in, great swell, in the 70's, looks like the best day for Viento yet this year, and I can't find anybody that wants to do a run.

Hurry up and get back here. Junkies should support each other.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 27, 2013, 06:41:52 PM
will do, see you soon. Buy a big fricken bottle of Advil. I'm getting them at Costco these days--they look like cookie jars.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 27, 2013, 10:15:56 PM
Here's my version of getting 'pitted' - as in swamped up to my armpits.  The ski was zooming along, so it was just a nudge on the side.  Minor loss of speed and a hat adjustment.  Note the garmin on my head - better radio signal and it's drier up there.  :)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/pitted800x453_zps0f4750b5.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/pitted800x453_zps0f4750b5.jpg.html)

Here's some video of last Thursday.  What a fun day that was.

maliko 4-25-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKdCqyCMgMA&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on April 27, 2013, 10:33:12 PM
Here's my version of getting 'pitted' - as in swamped up to my armpits.  The ski was zooming along, so it was just a nudge on the side.  Minor loss of speed and a hat adjustment.  Note the garmin on my head - better radio signal and it's drier up there.  :)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/pitted800x453_zps0f4750b5.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/pitted800x453_zps0f4750b5.jpg.html)

Here's some video of last Thursday.  What a fun day that was.

maliko 4-25-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKdCqyCMgMA&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)     
LPB...Great vid and stunning still pic.  That's the huge value in these vids... to be able to extract a still.  Of course they aren't high res but for online use, they're great.

Paddled DW on friday with PBill and we did some geezer sprinting inside the harbor in the flatwater in the lee of the docks.  It was really fun and I got to try drafting for the first time.  Pretty fun keeping the nose rocker right over the tail of his board.  But we overdid it and were pooped when we finished.  Flatwater is for young, tough guys.  I had to stretch it out with a swim today but got to see 300 women go by me on SUBs... so I had that going for me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: 1paddle2paddle on April 28, 2013, 12:17:40 AM
@ LaPerouseBay,

  how do you control your boat from pearling too much?  I also do downwinders on my OC1, I dont find it nearly as exciting as on a SUP.  On the SUP I have control when it comes to steep faces, I get as far back on that tail as I need to keep that nose up, steep drops dont worry me on SUP.  When I get on my canoe, there is no such thing as "trim" your as the mercy of the boat really. trimming down the face of a wave  as if your making a bottom turn like on a SUP is not as doable on a canoe, it's just not nearly as agile as a SUP.

Do you ever find yourself not taking a bump because it's too steep?  knowing that your going tyo burry the nose up to your feet?  What do you do when your in that situation?  Just curiouis as to how you handle it on your SS

JF, the V10 has a monstrous amount of volume in the nose.  It is nearly impossible to pearl.  They designed the nose to have enough volume to prevent it from getting pushed under water in almost any situation you will face.  It truly is an amazing boat.

But if you do face such a situation, you probably want to lean as far back as possible, keep the paddle out to brace on the appropriate side, and hope things turn out for you.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 28, 2013, 11:15:52 AM
@ Paid, yea it does, haha.

I dont worry about it too much on my OC, and I've come to realize that in that situation, nothing you can do really, use to lean back, but now that I realize it's more of a natural reaction rather then provide any sort of function, leaning back don't do jack, your weight it still in the same spot haha.

I've read that Kamanu Article, Luke's blog's are very interesting to read, and I encourage all to read it SUP or OC1. It's always great reading someones insight on downwind.

I really think that it's the swell period that dictates everything. love watching these videos, it's kinda my weather forecast as far as Olukai Race goes!!! so stoked, cant stop mentioning it!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on May 02, 2013, 08:27:06 AM
Our sup trailer, Maliko bound!!!! We also have a trailer full of OC1's and OC2's coming over.  24 racers total from Big Island.  Plan on Hooking up with maui zoners on Friday!!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 02, 2013, 09:56:09 AM
That's an impressive load. 

The BI is the spiritual center of the islands so please consult with the wind gods.  We're having issues over here with these lows that keep rolling through.  Yesterday was doable, actually pretty good but then the forecast through next wed looks grim... so hopefully there's a turn around by the 11th
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on May 02, 2013, 07:34:04 PM
we are praying for wind!!!!! it seems over the past few weeks Maliko had wind here and there, while everywhere else was nothing!!! So the odds are probably best there...  Last year was good up untill that weekend, and the wind backed off.

Last year our run on friday before race day was epic!!! Glad we were able to experience Maliko doing what she does best.  Come race day.... sad story.  So we are hoping for the best
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 06, 2013, 03:04:56 PM
Excellent reverse (kona) south shore conditions this weekend.  I chose this inside line Sunday to avoid the usual slug fest among the hyper competitive paddlers in our group. 

Rather than start outside with them at Makena, I floated away early - inside.  Lucky for me, the tide was weak (about 30 min. after the peak high), so I had a great run.  Tide can have a big effect on the south shore.  Some spots will see standing waves or endless rides - depending on the tide.  As it turned out, the wind and reefs were surfy and fun.  Low effort and finished with the group.     

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore5-5-13800x426_zpscbe1c1d8.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/southshore5-5-13800x426_zpscbe1c1d8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on May 06, 2013, 03:35:57 PM
JF808,who's  team  da Big Island  OC-1  and canoe guys paddling for now,not called Livestrong anymore,jimmy something?
they doing real good.saw the results on OCPaddler for yesterday's PAA relay.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on May 06, 2013, 03:47:54 PM
Good article that LBP,from Luke@Kamanu.The way I see those "low points" is the flat looking spot in front of the bumps,that's how it was pointed out to me,you see those,and paddle for them and stay on them and then they turn into a drop.while surfing that,look for another.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 06, 2013, 06:43:22 PM
Thanks Paid, I'll try that.  It's exactly the type of info I'm looking for.  It's easy to remember and fits perfectly with what I've been focusing on lately - "relax" and "keep the boat going downhill."

From web reports: the Big Island team that was Livestrong is now Mellow Johnny's.  It's a bike shop in Ausitn TX, owned by Lance Armstrong.  How about Daniel Chun taking second place in his FIRST solo attempt?  Second to Danny by 2 seconds?  Yikes, those Big Island boys are awesome this year!  3 of the top 7 in yesterday's relay.     
     

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on May 06, 2013, 07:35:37 PM
ok,so still livestrong.Daniel Chun second to Danny Ching by a couple seconds,awesome,but I think that was the race the other day,yesterday,first was Pat Dolan?Kai Bartlett.Big Island guys coming on strong.How about Danny Ching,stand up or Oc-1,phenomenal athlete.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 07, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Yes, Danny Ching is amazing.  He will probably do the Olukai this weekend.  It will be interesting to see how he does against our local Maui guys in the standup race.  I hope Connor and Kai Lenny are around, those guys can motor.  Dave K. is doing a clinic this week on Maui, I'll bet he does the Olukai.  Livio is also super fast.  Kai Bartlett has been known to jump on a standup occasionally.  Maybe Jeremy can win it on his 22.     

The conditions for yesterday's relay were the worst Luke has ever seen.  I heard the headwind was creating 3 foot seas.  Just saw the winning time - Kai and Pat did 6:25.  Last year they won it in 4:21.  Only strong paddlers attempt the Kaiwi channel, relay or solo.  19 of the 60 teams DNF'd.      

This year's solo (2 weeks ago) was no walk in the park either.  Danny won it in 4:58,  Last year Jimmy Austin won it in 3:31.  

The Maui - Molokai was also rugged this year.  Zsolt won it in 3:29, last year he won it in 2:35.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 12, 2013, 12:19:53 AM
South shore had very good wind today.  Very nice glides all the way to the Kea Lani. 

Hey, Hawaiian, I like rest on your ama?  I'm tired.   :)   

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/ama800x454_zps3baea9cb.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/ama800x454_zps3baea9cb.jpg.html)

south shore 5-11-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tLh2m7XDe8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 12, 2013, 08:21:26 AM
Nice fly by and neat pic.  Looked really good, especially considering how grey it looked in the distance towards the finish.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 12, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
Swells looked nice!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 12, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
More ama shenanigans today.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/ama2800x446_zps74c02134.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/ama2800x446_zps74c02134.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 13, 2013, 12:54:36 AM
Excellent wind today.  Super fun run.

south shore 5-12-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7-zsNIrVJs&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 14, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
Today the great Maliko conditions returned.  Light load on the shuttle which included Justin from Melbourne.  He was amazed at the conditions.  Ear to ear grin.  After the grim conditions for the race it was great to have a visitor experience the full enchilada. Stick around here long enough and you'll get it.

Today somehow the glue from my graphite slip pad under my rudder peddle, decided the leak out enough to gunk up the slip pad.  Result was rudder peddle got stuck in various positions and when I forced it over with my foot, it went to extremes.  Challenging to operate like that.  My board PBill not yours.

Got home and rubbed it off with alcohol and smooth as silk now.  But it's something to check, especially if your board is getting on in age like mine.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 15, 2013, 05:38:09 AM
South shore was excellent too.  Wind was about as good as it gets.  My plan was to hang back on the glides and angle across the bombs as much as possible.  It's the best practice for keeping my hull speed going.  The downside is that it seems slower, as if big opportunities for fast glides are passing under.  I made a ton of mistakes and worked some big angles out and in from my destination.  But, as is always the case, not trying for a fast time resulted in a new personal best. 

The wind had a lot to do with it.  It was cranking.  But it's great to know how much more speed is out there.  Relax and keep the boat going downhill is working great.  Lots to learn about steering the boat more quickly on the small bumps.     

south shore 5-14-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xvAJkHmcjk&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 16, 2013, 11:31:12 AM
This lady can write.  A must read for anyone contemplating ski.  She has a lot of sand, that's for damn sure.

http://runningwithwaves.com/ (http://runningwithwaves.com/)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on May 16, 2013, 12:25:34 PM
This lady can write.  A must read for anyone contemplating ski.  She has a lot of sand, that's for damn sure.

http://runningwithwaves.com/ (http://runningwithwaves.com/)

Brilliant use of a keyboard - couldn't stop reading! Nice find!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 16, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
Yeah, she's amazing.  It almost works better for me reading it backwards.  But if zoners get turned off by the ski stuff in the last post, start at the beginning.  Don't miss it, she's very, very good. 

She's a bad motor scooter to be signing up for Mauritius.  Wow.  Big fan.  The trip in WA with the boys is on everyone's dream list.  She's SO cool.  She learned more about ski's on that trip than I did by reading every word on the interwebs and it shows.  Simply masterful how she dances around such controversial subjects.

Green dragons indeed.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 16, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
Smoking E wind today, good E swell.  I experimented with an inside line, closest I've ever been.  Kinda spooky and technical.  Wore out my brain.  ET was ok, a bit faster than usual, but the run seemed longer.  Too much worry in there.  I prefer deeper water.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-16-13800x379_zps693f3f89.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-16-13800x379_zps693f3f89.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on May 18, 2013, 03:41:39 AM
This lady can write.  A must read for anyone contemplating ski.  She has a lot of sand, that's for damn sure.

http://runningwithwaves.com/ (http://runningwithwaves.com/)

Larry, this is good stuff. I can so relate to 100% of this. It is good to know that I'm not the only one that mindfcuks the whole _which is the right boat_ thing. Lots of respect for her commitment to training and to stepping out to paddle in a big event. Speaking of big events you have surfski royalty in your backyard right now. Sounds like they might miss out on the excellent conditions you guys have had the past days. Hopefully they get enough bumps to help it rockin'. I love that we have this thread here.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 18, 2013, 03:36:30 PM
Thanks Eric, glad you enjoy the ski thread.  We have some royalty of our own right here on the zone.  Kissa beat Oscar back in '94.  Here's a clip from the history of the race, from this site: http://www.molokaiworldchampionships.com/about/ (http://www.molokaiworldchampionships.com/about/)

2004 ~ Herman Chalupsky crushed the field with a time of 3:48:40; Aussie Dave Kissane came in second with a 3:55:16 and Oscar Chalupsky third with a 3:58:10. OC-1 Karel Tresnak Jr. was back in play with a first place time of 4:11:15 with Mike Judd taking second with a 4:13:32 and Danny Ching with a third place finish of 4:22:23.

It's mind bending how fast skis go across the 32.3 nautical miles of that channel (59.8km, 37.2 miles).  Kissa's average speed on that day was 9.48mph, or 15.25kph.

Deano has the record at 3.21.26, set in '97.  That's an average speed of 11.07mph, or 17.81 kph.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 23, 2013, 12:36:47 AM
Today it was smokin hot.. as in temperture.  Worst VOG I think I've seen.  Burning eyes.  No wind. 

Paddled this morning  until I drained my camelback.  Sweated gallons.  Caught little perfect glass 3' at lowers on my Bullet to practice wave riding skills on extra long board.  Having to cross the reef with breaking waves during  the Olukai race made me realize this is a skill I want to keep sharp.  Lots of blade work to accentuate any rudder control, which by itself isn't enough. 

Checked my steering and made sure everything's set for this weekend when the wind is forecast to return in a vengeance. 

Covesurfer just arrived from HR so we're keyed up for the weekend.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 23, 2013, 06:50:51 PM
Keep that kind out of trouble and don't let him get killed. We can't afford to loose such a reliable shuttle driver.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 24, 2013, 03:25:20 PM
Nice to have the wind back, south shore has been fun.  The south swell is a welcome addition.  It drives the currents, and snags them too.  Patience is a virtue when downwinding.  If glides are not working due to a swell - go easy.  It's just a matter of time until things swing around and glides rip better than usual.  Sandy beach landings are a blessing, but you need to be quick on your feet. 

south shore 5-23-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCiBvMpH7U&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 24, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Should have listened to LaPerouse Bay today.  South side was the call but I joined a gang for a Maliko.   Great crew in the 1pm shuttle, full of Bullets, good paddlers and two great paddlers, JR and Scott.  Greg from HR did fantastic on PBill's V2 and the board floated his light frame  high out of the water.   Probably the best Bullet for the day.   Conditions were light and suppressed by a few low clouds.  Still, it was better than it looked on the drive up.  Guess it's good practice to have to hunt hard for glides but hopefully tomorrow will bring an uptick in wind speeds. 

Body felt good after so many days of rest and hopefully I don't seize up tomorrow.  No falls today felt like an accomplishment.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 24, 2013, 09:53:27 PM
Lighter conditions downwinder for sure but being here and getting to paddle is amazing! For my first Maliko in 5 months and being on the V2 for the first time, I was pretty happy with what we got.

At my weight, the V2 is pretty stable and it steers well if you sashay back to the tail. Because you have to do that dance all the time in the short period swell in the Gorge, the V2 didn't feel terribly weird, it was actually pretty confidence inspiring. I was amazed that I only had one fall near Lowers. Got a few really nice glides and some good surfs going into the harbor. The cross wind was mercifully light paddling across the harbor, a far cry from my last run. ;D I know it's going to be more challenge on a bigger day.

HM claims he's slow but I don't think so. Chased him the entire run. Nice way to spend an afternoon. Big thanks to HM and PB!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 25, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
South shore was blasting today, fun run.

south shore 5-24-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n67uRdDgWVo&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: hbsteve on May 25, 2013, 06:55:35 AM
The story line made me laugh.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 02, 2013, 06:37:35 PM
Early June has historically been great and this year is no exception.  Yesterday Cove and I did a packed 1pm shuttle and today it was packed for the 11:30am shuttle.

  Even with the early launch today (sunday) conditions were off the charts good.  Good tide and wind strength was 30-40mph.  Legs were tired on this fifth Maliko run in a row (50 miles in five days) and I had at least six falls but the successive rides on the super troughs from Kanaha to the harbor entrance were phenomenal.

 Might take a break tomorrow but I only say this now, immediately after the run.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 02, 2013, 08:23:36 PM
Man, that was a good day.  So glad summer is here.  Like HM said, the runners from the airport to the finish were epic.  Very groomed, with the wind shoving you onto the bombs.  So fun.  Probably the easiest big bombs I've ever caught.  Very low effort, just flying. 

I had my camera mounted facing the rear today.  Jeremy and I lagged behind the group at the launch.  Chatted with Raaphorst a bit.  He did an earlier run on his standamaran.  I hadn't seen Mark in about a year.  He looks great.  Very fit and young for his age.     

Jeremy and I worked together for about 3 miles.  It would have been great footage if the battery had been properly charged.  Dang camera turned off just as we started to zoom.  Doh!  We caught his wife Jill at Paia.  He stayed with her and I zoomed ahead to pick off the other standups.   :) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 02, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
I said the same thing right after today's run, how I should pace myself. But now, it's evening and all I can think of was what a great run it was today. My run started with me sighting the biggest shark I hope I ever see, cruising fast along the bottom right outside of the gulch. HM had just had a quick dip too. I didn't mention it until we were back to the canoe Hale. Fantastic conditions out there today!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 04, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Wild day.  28-35mph with small but noticeable north swell to accentuate the drops.  In the course of this ten mile run, three of us experienced great conditions out of the gate, a glue like counter current half way thru, huge putting green drops off uppers and extraordinary wide wavelengths from lower Kanaha to the harbor entrance.  Right psoas was tweaking with back leg getting a deep powder work out. 

Saw a thread about a lack of trade winds.  Could have fooled me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 04, 2013, 08:52:10 PM
It's after 530 pm and it still looks big out there. The last mile outside of the harbor was so good. Wind and waves lined up, three paddle strokes and you were surfing.
Title: Re: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JP4 on June 04, 2013, 10:04:48 PM
Have you bought a telescope yet Cove? I'm guessing you can see that whole run from your place.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 04, 2013, 10:12:49 PM
No, Wassup. Was hoping that might be a housewarming present when you come visit.  ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 05, 2013, 12:55:20 AM
The wind has been excellent on the south shore lately as well. 

south shore 6-4-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTcn-imiE3w&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 05, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
What is it about the color in this video that seems different, more crisp than your others? 

Also did anything come out from the fly-bys you did the other day on Maliko?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 05, 2013, 09:28:34 PM
The gopro 3 white is the least expensive version.  They say the performance is weak in low light.   So my guess is that the color looks a bit better in this one because of the higher summer sun angle.  Cloudy days with a low, winter sun angle look dark.  My cam needs good light.  

The picture is sharper than the gopro 2 it replaced.  3's have a flat, glass water housing lens.  They say the cam lens itself is also a big improvement.  The fisheye barrel effect is reduced from the older version.  I used to shoot at the 'medium' setting.  Gopro called that 120 degrees.  This white version only has one option at 1080 and they say it's 120 also.  That's why I bought this cheap version.  1080/30 is all I ever use.  I noticed the sharper picture immediately.  Not bad for $200,. IMO.  

I'm sure the black version will give a brighter picture at 1080/30, but they cost $400.  That version has about 20 shooting options, I have 4.

I'm really bummed about no good video from Sunday.  The battery died just as Jeremy and I began zooming along.  First time I've ever forgotten to charge the battery.   No video of any fly byes.  That was a smoking day too.  Oh well, summer is here.  Maybe some weekend I'll get the alien on video.   He looks good on those rear facing camera shots.  That 22 inch bullet really motors.        

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 06, 2013, 06:17:43 AM
I like "the Alien" as a nickname for JR. Fits perfectly.

I have a GoPro Black, and it's a bit disappointing. Keeping it and the remote charged is a constant challenge for ADD-boy. When either component sits around they discharge rapidly, especially if I forget to turn off the remote radios (which is ALWAYS). Whenever I go to use it, it's certain to be dead. I've managed to train myself to charge my iPhone frequently, maybe I can extend that to the GoPro. Great camera other than that, the last software update fixed a lot of issues.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 06, 2013, 06:04:29 PM
PB, thanks again for letting me use the Bullet! I am now on HM's old F16, which I bought. Perfect dw board for me. Wish you were here, it's been howling. I missed today and yesterday, although I got some surfing in on the s swell (which is already dying) both days. See you in a week or so.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 06, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
The wind has been excellent on the south shore lately as well.  


Oh yeah, I want some of that  ;D

Seem to have turned the corner lately on my V10S Surfski, able to put down full power to catch waves and still feel stable.  Haven't fallen in for the last three downwinders.  Even kidding myself that the seeing my knees going up and down equates to leg drive when really I know I'm just going through the motion.... but boy oh boy am I having fun! Bringing my paddle to Maui in September LPB and renting a ski for sure. Perversely love the steep learning curve, what a fantastic complimentary sport to go with SUP, similar water skills but different muscle groups.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 06, 2013, 11:54:23 PM
Glad to hear it JC.  Give Richard plenty of lead time, he travels a lot.  I'll help out with the rental if he's not around.  

You may think you are just 'going through the motions' with regard to leg drive because it doesn't feel like much.  But that's how it's supposed to feel.  The legs are so much stronger than your arms that it feels effortless.  It should feel graceful and flowing, like dancing.  Fred Astaire was the best dancer because he led with his hips.  The best kayak sprinters are very, very smooth.  It's the nature of the double blade and rotation.  Be sure to feel each stroke through the heels.  That's the key to stability.

Yes, it's deceptive.  Seems like no effort, but graceful balance is what makes a ski work.  Then power, then speed.          
    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on June 07, 2013, 08:06:32 AM
Nice video. From someone that's never tried a surfski, the speeds are amazing. You make it look so easy as well.

How did you get the speed, time, and distance to show up on your video? I keep my Garmin speed display when paddling but your setup adds another dimension to the video.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 07, 2013, 10:21:36 AM
You need these two programs.  Extremely simple to use once you do it a few times.

I can help out with more tips if you need them. 

http://www.dashware.net/ (http://www.dashware.net/)

http://download.cnet.com/Avidemux/3000-13631_4-10829933.html (http://download.cnet.com/Avidemux/3000-13631_4-10829933.html)


And it looks easy on the videos, because it is easy.  It's all about harnessing the power of the ocean - using the angle across the swells.  Once you get the balance and figure out the angles, it's smooth sailing.       
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 07, 2013, 05:16:59 PM
I couldn't resist.  Fred and Cyd gettin it on. 

FRED ASTAIRE and CYD CHARISSE - Dancing in the dark, at the Central Park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDHwJrbrp0Y#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on June 07, 2013, 09:19:28 PM
You need these two programs.  Extremely simple to use once you do it a few times.

I can help out with more tips if you need them. 

http://www.dashware.net/ (http://www.dashware.net/)

http://download.cnet.com/Avidemux/3000-13631_4-10829933.html (http://download.cnet.com/Avidemux/3000-13631_4-10829933.html)


And it looks easy on the videos, because it is easy.  It's all about harnessing the power of the ocean - using the angle across the swells.  Once you get the balance and figure out the angles, it's smooth sailing.       

Thanks. I'll check those programs out. I'm using a Garmin 310XT and a Panasonic waterproof digital camera to take video - hope the files will work with the software.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 07, 2013, 11:43:31 PM
I use a garmin 305, the file works.  Just "export" it.  I send all my video stuff to an external hard drive.  Dashware will ask for the file.

My gopro creates MP4 files.  Dashware will accept just about anything.  

I use avidemux to join my 17:35 clips into one file.  It's just a copy.  Save the file, dashware will ask for it.  

If you use avidemux, the only thing you will need to choose is the "output format."   Make it the same as your panasonic file type.   I use "MP4 muxer."  

If you use avidemux, drag your files into the work area.  You will see the timer add up the files.  Then "file," "save."  Voila, one file.  

To simplify the synchronization of the gps with video, I start them both at the same time.  I start them before launching and end after the entire run.  

Be sure to set your garmin to the most accurate sample rate.  It's probably once each second.

When you run dashware, use the wizard.  Go to the help tab and choose "show me how to" "create a video and data project."  It will walk you through the steps.    

Load your entire file and use dashware to edit out clips.  Use the time slider arrows to choose a section, then hit "create video"  Dashware will render it for you.  I think you will like it.  It's a great editor.  I always use it to look at my runs.
  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 08, 2013, 02:07:34 AM
Nice video. From someone that's never tried a surfski, the speeds are amazing. You make it look so easy as well.


Think L is being a little self effacing there, easy once you have put in the hard yards! Seems absurdly difficult at first but like everything your body adapts if you stick at it.

Argosi, you would love it !!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on June 08, 2013, 10:36:24 AM
Thanks LPB! Those extra tips will help.

Although I may need a new camera since my Panasonic can only take clips of limited length.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Argosi on June 08, 2013, 10:37:23 AM
Nice video. From someone that's never tried a surfski, the speeds are amazing. You make it look so easy as well.


Think L is being a little self effacing there, easy once you have put in the hard yards! Seems absurdly difficult at first but like everything your body adapts if you stick at it.

Argosi, you would love it !!

I bet I would love it. Storage of the surfski isn't possible for me unfortunately.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 08, 2013, 12:44:44 PM
Argosi, my first cam would record for 30 minutes, then shut off.      

Dashware will synch the timing of various video clips with your garmin data.  No need for a new camera IMO.  

I'd leave the gps running with the elapsed time on the display.  If you restart the camera, aim it at the garmin screen and video the elapsed time.  That will make it easy to synch the data in dashware.  It's a very polished program.

JC, yes it was tough for me in the early days.  But only because the outrigger had twisted me into a pretzel.  Too much cheating on the ama.  

I'm coaching some girls in ski.  They have no trouble balancing.  They are advancing 10 times faster than I did.  It's so fun coaxing them into tougher conditions.  One minute it's "we can't do that."  The next minute they are charging.  So funny.  

I'll have them downwinding in a few weeks.  Their minds will be completely blown.  One of the girls had better form than I do ON HER FIRST DAY.  Leg drive, nice top hands... I remember watching her and thinking to myself, "that's just not fair at all."  :)    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 08, 2013, 04:17:27 PM
Nice video. From someone that's never tried a surfski, the speeds are amazing. You make it look so easy as well.


Think L is being a little self effacing there, easy once you have put in the hard yards! Seems absurdly difficult at first but like everything your body adapts if you stick at it.

Argosi, you would love it !!

I bet I would love it. Storage of the surfski isn't possible for me unfortunately.

I store mine on racks coming out from the side of the house. Its always in shade and has some minimal protection from the eaves of the house. Always wash it with fresh water and honestly its good as new.
Guess if you have an apartment it might be tricky! A lot of people in Melbourne who paddle skis or OC1's belong to clubs and store them there. Guess we don't get the cold cold weather you guys get though. Be warned....it's addictive ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on June 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
Larry, I know I've said this before but I am so glad that you keep the surfski stoke going in this thread. We have talked many times about this in the past year or so but I think I'm about ready to sell my OC-1 and use the money to advance beyond my V8. I think I'll always keep the V8 for big conditions days. But it's time to move up. Pretty loyal to Epic but the new Stellar SEI that is hitting the market is pretty intriguing. Anyway, hope to be in a more aggressive ski within the next month. Thanks for keeping this going. Always look forward to your videos. JonathanC, was the Sport your first ski? You've been paddling it a little over year, right?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on June 08, 2013, 07:43:24 PM
Hi Ericspin,

Yes exactly right, had the V10S for a over a year now, probably almost two. Must admit I've gone through phases of not paddling it much, bought a fixed paddle initially and that was a mistake, it was set at 60 degrees and that just didn't seem to agree with my propensity for tennis elbow. The two piece small Epic fixed that though and its really nice to be able to muck around with the length.

At the point now of wanting a little more speed and something lighter, I have the basic heaviest model, and to its credit is still in perfect condition. Planning on trying the new V10 which is apparently almost as stable as the current V10S and a Fenn Swordfish and the new Stellar SEI when it comes out. Have to make sure I don't get too ambitious and muck up all the down-winding fun I'm having! A lot of new, more stable but still fast, boats out in the last year and more coming.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 08, 2013, 07:55:30 PM

I store mine on racks /


...in my living room.


Guess if you have an apartment it might be tricky!


So I cut a hole in the wall.  My priorities are in line.  :)

Eric, have a spin in the new V-10. It's wider than the old V-10.  It's probably just as stable as the sport.  I had no trouble going from a sport to a 10.  If you can paddle 2-3 times a week, you will sell that V-8.  Guaranteed. 

The girls I coach can both paddle V-10's.  One of them has only been in a ski maybe 10 times.  She owns a sport, but she can do flat water in a 10.  Skinny boats are WAY more fun.  They surf MUCH better.   Short boats spin too easy IMO.

Glad you sorted your paddle out JC.  I went through growing pains too.  I was all the way up to 75 degrees for awhile.  I'm down at 30 now.  Kayakchampeen over on surfski info uses zero feather.  2 control hands. 

My blade is short at 205.  I'll go up to 207 on flat water, but that's about it.  Good reason to be slow. "my blade is really short".  Easy on the joints and very quick for downwinding.         
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 12, 2013, 12:12:05 AM
State holiday today, what better way to spend a day off than a nice maliko. 

maliko 6-11-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-RKsZO7Rc#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Cardiff Sweeper on June 12, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
^
LPB, I always enjoy your videos. That looks very difficult to keep upright, but you make it seem easy!  Curious, do you do SUP downwinders as well?
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 12, 2013, 10:54:37 AM
He used to go with me on SUP but once he tried this rocket ship I knew he was gone.... and it could be appealing to me for the speed and for having fun on lighter days when catching glides with a SUB is more difficult. But standing up and basically surfing out in the open ocean has a huge appeal to me.    Just like using a jet ski to ride a wave, it can go faster and catch every wave but you're still sitting on your ass.  So if you're into ultimate speed for paddling toy, the ski would be for you.  But if you like moving your feet for trim and standing up, then your choice is obvious. 

Some people don't do well with their backs, sitting down (like me) and others get their back out of wack on a SUB. 

CS, I'd think you'd dig  the stand up more.  You did it once over here.  Com'on back and we'll order up some stronger wind for you. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 12, 2013, 01:39:27 PM
HM, perhaps we will paddle today (based on rumors from a credible source).

That would be cool. Hope to see you in a couple hours.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 12, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
Today's run started out sort of light but still held promise. Unfortunately, by the time I got to Upper Kanaha, a rain squall had moved over and the wind backed down to near nothing. Plenty of sloppy chop was left over. It was still possible to get some glides but it was not easy, at least for me. Turned into a real workout and by the time I got to the harbor entrance, I felt pretty cooked. A few random gusts started to kick up the last mile or so, but they weren't consistent. Still, it was enough to get a couple of fun surfs going towards the entrance.

Once in the harbor, there was a pretty stiff cross wind, more than what should have been blowing considering the conditions outside. I was pretty relieved to finish but it was probably really good training. I felt like I'd never paddled so much on my right side, which is my weak one.

I've gotten 11 runs in over the past several weeks and met some awesome and generous paddlers who shared their knowledge and stoke. HM has been a great paddling partner and although I missed him today, recovery was a good choice considering the conditions.

It kind of feels like I'm learning how to downwind all over again. Paddling here is challenging and also really incredible. The ocean is just amazingly beautiful and the time I've logged out there ranks as some of the best I've spent doing anything ever. Looking forward to more adventures to come.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 12, 2013, 09:45:40 PM
I almost went but chose to run up the sand dune and swim today (in shallows) to see if I was going to fall apart.  I worked out for over 2 hrs and was fine so I might go tomorrow.  Unfortunately,  Cove, you're leaving back to HR tonight.  Well we'll see you soon.  It was great paddling with you and you really hit some great days.  Try to get back for the race and bring the big guy with you.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 12, 2013, 10:07:13 PM
I'll start working on him when I get back there. Glad you're feeling better - be careful about overdoing it too soon. Looking forward to being back here soon.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2013, 01:06:28 AM
^
LPB, I always enjoy your videos. That looks very difficult to keep upright, but you make it seem easy!  Curious, do you do SUP downwinders as well?

Skis have a bad reputation for being difficult.  Like standup, it just takes time.   

I quit the standup and only do ski.  I had lumbar pain for decades.  The ski fixed it.  That's a BIG plus for me.  It's like having a new body.  The higher top hand of single blades used to aggravate my shoulder, not so with the ski.  We only go about eye level.  Very fun boats.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: CyberSUP on June 13, 2013, 10:19:04 AM
LaPerouseBay - yup, I can vouch that you are a ski guy!! (my Surfski.info handle = Cyberski)

I have left kayak/ski paddling now and will be going strictly SUP...know anyone looking for a brand new Huki S1-XL?????   ;)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2013, 10:25:01 AM
Cyberski,  I'll ask around.  Those hukis are great boats. 


Some people don't do well with their backs, sitting down (like me) /


I forgot that about you.  But, for anyone that tried outrigger and it hurt their back - skis are different.  Our buckets are designed to allow more freedom of movement.  Our knees bend more.   Our feet do a lot to stabilize the boat.  Like outrigger and standup, the kayak stroke is all about rotation.  But our blades are wings.  So we don't pull next to the boat.  We pull away from it - almost 45 degrees.  The wing creates lift in the forward direction.  They are about 10% more efficient than a flat blade.  It engages the twisting muscles in a nice, fluid manner.     

It completely rebuilt my core muscles below the belly button.  All those complex hip muscles (out back and in front) are engaged and strengthened.  That was my weakness that led to back pain. 

I thought I was in ok shape from outrigger and sup when I first started in a ski.  The seating position was comfy if I sat straight up 90 degrees.  But skis need a slight forward lean, about 10 degrees.  This affects trim, provides leverage and engages all the big muscles better.  The first day I tried to sit forward correctly my diaphragm locked up completely.  I could barely breathe.  That's how jammed up I was.  Now that whole system is rebuilt and better than ever.

Here's a vid of a true expert showing very good form.  Note the leg drive, rotation and fluid motion. 

Paddling With Zsolt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrN9TGBhQY#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 16, 2013, 12:25:16 AM
Fun maliko today with Mike and Richard.  Wind was excellent. 

maliko 6-15-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHIAgWF2kWI&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 16, 2013, 08:51:15 AM
Nice LPB! When you turn left, the swell size becomes more apparent. There is a spot around there somewhere (upper Kanaha) where it feels like you are sliding down a ski slope. The ocean just seems to go down down down. I don't think it was my imagination, I noticed it nearly every run and if you caught it, you'd get an ultra fast, super long glide.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 16, 2013, 09:31:33 PM
Father's day and well it was grandfather's day for Victor and me.  His son Shaun joined us along with Bill Hofman.  Bill, Victor and I are all over 60 and it felt cool to be enjoying Maliko as good as it gets.  Long rolling smooth faced troughs without an ounce of crossing.  Seemed like putting greens.   So much fun blazing along with three others in my peripheral vision.  Summer conditions are here. 

Peter from South Africa wrote me that he and some mates are coming over in July.  Pretty cool for these guys to go to the effort to come to the opposite side of the planet to paddle with us.  Young Dylan Flick did very well last year. 

Been using PBill's smaller Maliko blade for the last few weeks but today I returned to the Molokai.  Think I'll go back to the Maliko size.  Like the higher cadence.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 17, 2013, 12:06:35 AM
Just happened on a bike article that described how bigger bikers were grinders at higher gears and lighter weight bikers were high cadence low gear guys... spinners. 

I've always figured that I was on the heavy side when I started SUP but as I slip down farther towards 180, I feel like redefining myself as a spinner...

Smaller blade for sure.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 17, 2013, 09:06:56 AM

/ There is a spot around there somewhere (upper Kanaha) where it feels like you are sliding down a ski slope. The ocean just seems to go down down down. I don't think it was my imagination, I noticed it nearly every run and if you caught it, you'd get an ultra fast, super long glide.

Thanks for the comment.  I'll elaborate a bit on how that reef works.  I don't think you mean to say that upper kanaha has a 'special spot' that gives better runs.  But the nature of internet posts are easily misunderstood.  I like to keep this thread going to help novices and visitors better understand the ins and outs of maliko. 

You have a good start with a few big wind runs under your belt.  But Raaphorst told me it takes about 50 runs to start to understand maliko.  That held true for me.  Oh, and light wind runs are just as valuable.  Watching how the swells bend on the reef (even if they are small) is important. As is understanding just where the shallow spots are at low tide.     

Ok, back to your comment.  It's not your imagination.  And it's not one spot at upper kanaha.  In that video, the swells I 'let go' (in the first minute) are just as capable of providing that long, long ride.  Some swells may hold more power than others, but as a general rule summer conditions are groomed.  The east swell is consistent.   

Here's the chart of that day's run.  The video took place on the dot.  As you can see, the depth didn't change much (on my line across the reef).  The runs you describe were happening all over the blue section. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-15-131800x340_zps34046593.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko6-15-131800x340_zps34046593.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-15-132800x431_zps4f608a9e.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko6-15-132800x431_zps4f608a9e.jpg.html) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 17, 2013, 12:00:19 PM
LPB, thanks for posting that! Understanding the bottom topography (bathymetry) and how it affects the surface characteristics is a fascinating subject to me.

I have about 20 Malikos in now. My first description would be that I am feeling more and more humbled each time I paddle it. Maybe after 50 or so runs that will change, but it is an amazingly challenging run to me on so many levels.

Since I got back to the Gorge last week, I've had the chance to do downwinders almost every day, yesterday I even got a double in. But the Viento run in the Gorge is a walk in the park in comparison to Maliko under any conditions, lighter or windier.

As you said, it's more than just one spot out there with the super long glide potential. I just noticed over and over that in the vicinity of where your chart is showing, I would get glides that weren't just long but felt like sliding down a hill and it seemed as if the ocean was just dropping away and down. Very strange and very cool when you're riding it.

I'm really looking forward to continuing to get experience, improve my skills and learn more. As I said, when someone mentions Maliko, the first thing that comes up for me is how humbling the run is for me. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Learning from you guys that have so much experience on the open ocean is very cool.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 17, 2013, 12:28:17 PM
Yeah, what constantly astounds me is how different each day is and even when you do a double, how different those two runs can be.  Rarely is it great from start to finish like it was yesterday.  Usually there's at least some part that feels sticky or chopped up.  But all those challenging days really set you up for the great days like yesterday.

Knowing that, just like in life, when things are challenging or fantastic, it's going to change is a great way to approach the different pitches thrown at you.   

Yesterday was a fast ball, right over the plate.  Hmmm looks like today is shaping up as well.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 18, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
Glad you like the charts cove.  IMO, anyone that isn't humbled by maliko... will be.  That's why I'm always rambling on about safety.  I've been a weekend warrior at maliko for 5 years.  If I get some time off work I'll go more often.   

Here's a picture of the end of the run.  I heard some roaring white water behind and just to my left.  My line was probably safe, but who knows.  I always save energy for that section. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-15-133800x432_zpse21ec049.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko6-15-133800x432_zpse21ec049.jpg.html) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 18, 2013, 11:46:04 AM


I too have heard some pretty good hissing on my left shoulder running into the harbor on several occasions, then I'd see a pretty fair sized set rolling past just to my left and leaving a trail.

Saving energy for the end is a good strategy. I look forward to the day when I can finish that run and feel like I have more than fumes in the tank.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 22, 2013, 01:05:57 PM
Here's a Maliko launch at 6:30 AM.  Who would do such a thing?  Someone training for the early start of the M2O
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 22, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
JR posted on facebook that it was an awesome early day today. Nice photo!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 22, 2013, 05:58:48 PM
That board sure is recognizable.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 22, 2013, 10:34:07 PM
Yeah JR said it was unreal the last 3/4 of his crack of dawn run.  So cool.  Can just imagine the great lighting at that time.  Lighting is huge for allowing you to spot the grain in the water. 

Today was filled with off and on rain squalls.  My partner and I launched at 12 which was rather psychedelic.  As soon as we were in the water, a rain squall dumped heavy on us all the way out the gulch.  A thick mist was on the surface with the rain giving the appearance that it was windless.  But it wasn't and the smooth runways really made gliding easy.

That changed in around three minutes and in a blink it was sunny and raging wind.  Another fall-less day for me and was stoked to get into the action with small rights and finally gaining the co-ordination to crank the rudder with the appropriate paddle shift, to catch the big left rollers.  The direction shift to the backside  left  has been a huge challenge for me but learned a better stance for doing so today.   Of course it was made easier by a little more NE component in the WD.

The last two days have been real confidence builders for my balance issues.  One month until the big Maliko race. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on June 26, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
I paid my entrance for the Maliko race today. Can't wait!  Btw, what wind sites do you guys use, and what's the best direction? 

Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 27, 2013, 09:25:08 AM
^
http://weather.mhpcc.edu/wrf/maui2/ (http://weather.mhpcc.edu/wrf/maui2/)

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/graphics/npac.gif (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/graphics/npac.gif)

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/hi/flash-ir4.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/hi/flash-ir4.html)
Click the W-low box on this one.  By the way, it's showing what I call a 'true' NE wind right now.  So the south shore will be ballistic today.  Heads up to you north shore sleepyheads too lazy to drive over.  Yesterday was smoking.

http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/hawaii_loop.php (http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/hawaii_loop.php)

Southbay, the best direction for maliko is about 60-70 degrees.  Straight down the coast of maliko is actually 40 degrees, but the trades work better if they slam into Haleakala and compress down the line.  40 degrees is good for the south  shore because it squeezes into the valley and turns left down the south shore.  That's what will happen today.  North shore light, south shore blasting.  Probably. 

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 27, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
JR posted pic's of yesterdays southside run and it looked really good. Screaming good.

Man, you all are lucky. We are in the doldrums here in the Gorge with a big windsurfing/kiting/SUP downwinder race scheduled for 'Windfest' weekend coming up. My last downwinder was four days ago.  Forecast calls for a little wind Saturday so there's maybe some hope. Otherwise, we've got temps around 100 degrees forecast for the next week - that usually means not much wind. At least you guys over on Maui are getting the goods! Enjoy!

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on June 27, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
Thanks for the info LaPerouse.  Wow, the Kihei run does look good today!  Am I blind, where is the wind direction on here?  My return to the island is Monday.  Looking forward to seeing my new board and meeting you all.

Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 27, 2013, 04:18:31 PM
JR posted pic's of yesterdays southside run and it looked really good. Screaming good.

Man, you all are lucky. We are in the doldrums here in the Gorge with a big windsurfing/kiting/SUP downwinder race scheduled for 'Windfest' weekend coming up. My last downwinder was four days ago.  Forecast calls for a little wind Saturday so there's maybe some hope. Otherwise, we've got temps around 100 degrees forecast for the next week - that usually means not much wind. At least you guys over on Maui are getting the goods! Enjoy!

flatwater fun.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: hbsteve on June 27, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
All those little arrows, about 800 of them, are the wind direction.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 27, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Yeah the wind bends sometimes 90 degrees as it's funneled through the valley.  We all have stopped trying to figure it out and just go when the cams are good and LPB says it's a go.  But it's good ... right now.  It wasn't a half hour ago. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 28, 2013, 02:16:03 AM
Here's some video from today.  The wind was excellent.  In my experience, the Maui 2K wind forcast is more accurate on the north shore.  The south shore has a mind of it's own.

south shore 6-27-13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vjJEyth6Go&feature=youtube_gdata#ws)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 28, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
Here is a screen shot of this morning's channel 4.  The wind direction at Kauai is what I call 'true' NE.  The prevailing winds are about 40 degrees.  

On Maui, it's closer to true E, probably closer to 60 or 70.    
  
Maliko will be good today.  Note how far out the fetch is.  That will produce longer period groundswells on the reef.  Local wind strength may vary, but there will be bombs.  Classic summer conditions.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/channel4698x491_zpsdc8f5e55.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/channel4698x491_zpsdc8f5e55.jpg.html)

As you can see by this screen shot, the south shore can get very windy.  Paddlers beware.  Conditions often switch from side shore to harrowing offshore.  Very dangerous.

 (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maui2k726x487_zps228dbf6e.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maui2k726x487_zps228dbf6e.jpg.html)

  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on June 28, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
True dat,and the other day it completely did a 180 on us and we were paddling upwind for a while.Better that than when it wants to blow  you over towards Kaho'olawe!LBP,where do you come in?We start at Kihei canoe club,don't feel safe leaving our vehicles at Ma'alaea,some friends' cars got broken into.But coming in at the beach in front of Sarento's is too short of a run if you're driving over from North side.How is coming in at Polo beach and walking up the walkway with all the tourists there?Too many times it's not downwind to Makena Landing.Mahalo
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 28, 2013, 09:15:00 PM
^ Aloha paid, sorry to hear your friend's vehicle got robbed.  I almost always start at the boardwalk.  I park in the lot rather than next to the bushes.  It's been safe for me so far.  If the wind is offshore I'll start at KCC.

Polo beach (Fairmont Kea Lani) is an excellent beach to land on.  The tourists on the staircase are cool.  I like landing there.  We finish there when the wind may not hold to Makena Bay.

I'm not a big fan of Sarento's either.  But it's usually a safe bet for the wind.

Weekdays I often finish at the Cove.  I live walking distance, so I drive straight to the boardwalk after work.  I launch, then walk the ski home and shower.  Then jump on the MTB for the ride back to my truck.  It saves a lot of time not shuttling.  If someone calls, I'll do a longer run.

That new hotel, the Andaz may have a good beach to finish a run.  I think it's Elua beach, between Sarento's. and Polo.  I've heard the facilities are good.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 29, 2013, 11:56:06 AM
Paid...a better line on good days, is had by starting at Kealia boardwalk.  I don't know of any people who've had car theft there, knock on wood.  PBill leaves his grungy over sized slippers in the back with a few used shotgun shells.  His jeep is always wide open.  Heard about the problems at Haycraft Park.  That would be a cool launch if you had a driver to take the vehicle away.  I like the line from there and the milage becomes great.

For those looking in on this thread, Paidmydues is one of the sentinels for Hawaiian language on the island.  He knows every word for wind and even what the word is for paddling downwind.  His pronunciation is perfect and his voice is strong.

Paid.... If you ever see PBill try to pronounce Kealia, plug your ears quick, as he butchers the Hawaiian language beyond belief despite my attempts to tutor him.  I think he does it to bug me.

And for those of you out there that wish to make a better stab at Hawaiian words, here's a start.  The letter I is pronounced E and E is pronounced A and A is pronounced AH.  There are also some double vowel words and even a few triple vowel words.  (There is a town on Oahu, Kaaawa where each vowel is a syllable)  But I think just these tips will get you much closer. Correct me and add if you wish Paid. 

The organizer of a recent SUP race butchered a Hawaiian word so badly at the skippers meeting, that it took on a totally different meaning  that made all that knew ( and there were many) cringe.  Made worse that he kept repeating his mistake over and over again. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 29, 2013, 05:46:01 PM

There are also some double vowel words and even a few triple vowel words. 


If I'm not mistaken, Kauai is a 4.  I visited years ago and heard a local radio DJ pronounce it as such.  His voice was mellifluous.  I still hear it each time I spell the word.   

I didn't know that about paidmydues.  Very cool.  Such a beautiful language.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 03, 2013, 09:36:41 PM
Peter... After I spoke to you I went to Kihei and launched with my pal at about 3:40.  Direction was great tho velocity was weak at first but by half way glides began to be good enough and towards the end were pretty good.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring but give me a ring around 12-1 and I'll let you know what I see.  We only did a 7 miler today but you could have gone longer.  We launched late, in my book and I didn't want to chance getting calmed.  My pal was on a no-rudder 14 and he had no issues today but it all depends on the direction.  Your Naish boards should be good.

Wow, you're here.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on July 03, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
Hope you guys get some good conditions. It was smokin' in the Gorge today. I did two runs. Looking forward to paddling with you again HM.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on July 03, 2013, 11:07:01 PM
I bashed a tourist with my board at Polo once--he was sitting on the the outside of the corner and wasn't inclined to move. It wasn't intentional, but I felt pretty good about it.

I think the reason no one steals stuff from my jeep is they think they might get some kind of fungus from it. They aren't wrong.

I'm learning Hawaiian pronunciation at my own speed. I have "chree to fi" down pretty pat and when I say Ho'okipa people know where I'm talking about. there was a time I just got blank looks.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 04, 2013, 11:50:45 AM
I bashed a tourist with my board at Polo once--he was sitting on the the outside of the corner and wasn't inclined to move. It wasn't intentional, but I felt pretty good about it.

I think the reason no one steals stuff from my jeep is they think they might get some kind of fungus from it. They aren't wrong.

I'm learning Hawaiian pronunciation at my own speed. I have "chree to fi" down pretty pat and when I say Ho'okipa people know where I'm talking about. there was a time I just got blank looks.

We need you back here to bash a few more.  You can team up with Victor.  He said to say howzit.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on July 06, 2013, 10:32:25 AM
Did our maiden Maliko to harbour run yesterday in 8-12knots NE. Phil from Australia kindly chaperoned Pietro and myself the entire way - well, he had to sit and wait for us on a good  couple of occasions....

It took us 2 hours from put in to take out with a few breaks and medium effort....cannot believe how much you sweat out there!

We rode the 14' Glide while Phil was on his 17' Bullet, I'd have to work overtime to try and stay with him.

Runs are quite different to back home in Cape Town, even though it was probably as soft as it gets, you get lumps lifting you and I can see why a 17' works here - you just have that little more momentum where you'd have to scramble hard on the 14' to get in. Phil also stayed on for longer, beginning to wonder if attempting the M2O solo on the Glide is a good call...

Pearling was never an issue, I almost had to step off the pad to get into some of them, where at home they are much shorter and steeper.

Phil rated it 1 out of 10 for Maliko - amping for Mon-Wed!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on July 06, 2013, 10:59:43 AM
I was over for almost a month late May to mid June. Used a 17' Bullet and an F16. On a bigger day, I am really wondering how a 14 would be for Maliko. Seems like it would be a blast.

I'll be interested to read your reports from next week when the wind comes back. I paddled one light day all the way to the harbor and it was a grind. Lumpy and really tough to catch any glides except here and there. It's a different world when its blowing. You will like. ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on July 06, 2013, 04:18:45 PM
 Bill,mahalo for the Hawaiian lesson to help others on the Zone.yes,I have heard Ponobill destroy some place names,LOL,anytime you want to make pono,ask me.Let's start with your usual winter spot,Kanaha.The last vowel,a,is stressed,not the middle one as everyone says it.It means The Crack,the Fissure,and was the name of one of two fishponds in the area(The other being Mauoni).I was told it was named By Kamehameha to honor either the son or the daughter(Mauoni being the other one)of the Chief Ka Pi'ioho O Ka Lani who was responsible for the construction of the fishponds... What I can recall(chemobrain  excuse),a Pueo(Hawaiian owl) laid an egg that cracked,in the area,and one of the royal children were named after that.Okay,that your lesson for today.Ka NahA.
I surfed everyday of late,just loving my 6.0 minisimmons,haven't tried a standup one yet,but if they are anything like the shortboard,they are sooo fun,you gotta try it to believe it.Paddled my new OC-1 Maliko to Kahului with NO wind,really teaches you to concentrate on technique to get on the small bumps.Aloha
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 06, 2013, 09:18:39 PM
Peter, You're in good hands with Phil.  This is like his second home.  I think I saw you this morning off Sugar Cove.  I did a run from Maliko to Kanaha with my 10 yr old grandson.  The jet lag was getting him a little but he pushed thru it.   Water clarity was epic and he rode a wave across the Camp One reef on a 17 footer and got the hang of the rudder pretty well.  No falls.

Paid... Finally someone has told me the correct pronunciation of Kanaha.  I think I've been butchering it for many years.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 07, 2013, 09:48:43 PM
I was on the south shore today but yesterday I did a glass run to Kanaha with my ten yr old g-son.  He had seven hrs of jet lag but did the seven miles with no complaints.  July on Maui with no wind is hot beyond measure but although I was sweating he didn't want to get in the water to cool off.  My son told him there were sharks.  If he was here, I'd whack him on the side of his head.

Anyway wind is supposed to return tues.  Tons of paddlers in town.  M2M next weekend.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 07, 2013, 11:53:41 PM
Did an early run and reverse shuttle.  Great to have the Aussies in town for the races.  Chatted with Iron Phil and met Dave Kissane. 

It was light wind for us, picked up nicely for them.  Very fun run.   

maliko 7 7 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrcZ6eQ7wcY&feature=em-upload_owner#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on July 08, 2013, 12:06:27 AM
Picked up my SIC bullet 17 last Tuesday, and did a run Wednesday with Jeremy. Good fun, but the wind was too North. Hoping to get a run in tomorrow. Are one going on the 11am shuttle?  I have a truck with racks if anyone is headed to Maliko tomorrow, let me know.

Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 08, 2013, 01:14:20 PM
PM me
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on July 08, 2013, 10:04:14 PM
Today was feast - 25knots+ and runs everywhere from start to finish. Aussie invasion, Saffa invasion, Japan, Germany, Brazil - guys and gals from everywhere.

It was epic! So stoked to be here, the 14' was heaps of fun, surfing off the tail and linking left and right - much better with wind on it - but I guess that's the same as at home......STOKED!!!!

I think Dave said Livio nearly beat his own course record....and tomorrow is supposed to get even better....yeah baby!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on July 08, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
Peterp, that sounds awesome! I knew you'd be stoked when the wind came back!

I rode a 17 and a 16 for Maliko and love the glide of the longer boards but a 14 frankly feels like a big surf board to me and I kind of like that. I don't think I'd mind paddling just about anything on a windy Maliko run though. ;D

Sounds like a really cool day with paddlers from everywhere! Hope to read your windy paddle reports in the upcoming days!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on July 09, 2013, 09:23:25 AM
Here is vid of GPS data from my Mobii Motion - looks like I could straighten out line a bit. Red snake is run on the 7th and Blue snake is yesterdays run. Yesterdays run took 1hr24min from start to finish points in vid.

Frothing for today....

Mobii Malikoruns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLBn_RMDfXc&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on July 09, 2013, 09:34:22 AM
It's a lake here today. Have fun.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 09, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
House rattled all last night (it's a termite palace not a bunker) and at 6:30 am it was full white caps out there.  Southbay, I'm just waiting till 8 to call you (to be polite) but lets's go early.  Lighting is off the charts when it's this early.  Maliko is full-on today... like right now
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on July 09, 2013, 11:03:11 AM
peterp, that's a good time - you were 1:17 and change to the harbor entrance. It must have been a great run! The slow run is just about the exact time I had on the day that the wind quit off Baldwin Beach and the conditions turned to sloppy lumps that were difficult to catch with any consistency. Have fun out there today, I looked at the forecasts and it's gonna be smokin'!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on July 09, 2013, 09:19:16 PM
So it blew hard all night and this morning was whitecapping at sunrise.  I was pumped.  Dave Kissane came by around 9 and we could see the ocean at the end of my street was already full blown.  Dave looked like he'd been training hard and was leaner than he was last year.  He went with Livio yesterday and that's a statement in itself.

Chatting with Dave got me really excited and set my head into doing two runs.  Connected up with Southbay, a Zoner I'd never met.  Turned out to be a local boy, that had just moved back here after being on the mainland since after high school.   Tom Wolf said you can't go home again but he has moved back and today he got to reap the rewards of being in top paddling shape from his time in California.  Plus he has a M2M under his belt from last year.

We launched our Bullets at just after 11am.  Wind had been gusting over 40 since 10am and continued to do so all afternoon.   First run with Southbay was incredible.  Hoped I was going to be able to keep up with a very fit  thirty-three old.  Right out of the gate he went out much farther than me and was gliding great.  Amazingly, in the time it took us to get to Hookipa, we had switched places and I was outside riding my comfort zone with rights on a east wind.  Glides were spectacular until Upper Kanaha which was a tad crossed up for about a mile, then lined up very well for the last few miles.  Felt better than I have in a long time, since before PBill left town.  Two high speed falls, one with a board grab and rapid redeployment, almost seemed like I knew what I was doing for a moment.  Been doing burpees on the beach and they paid off in that moment.  Southbay seemed stoked to be back home.

Second run was with my pal who used to be Southbay's baseball coach in high school.  He's a grandpa as well and it was good to know he has all the pains I have.  Tide was higher and less crossed up at Uppers.  Section to harbor entrance was as good as it gets.   The 4pm readout when we finished run number two was 45mph gust.   Stunning day and I'm not that wasted after two.

Tons of trucks loaded with SUBs traveling up and down Hana Hwy... as many as cars as with wndsrfrs.  It's kinda cool to see since there's absolutely no worry about the ocean getting crowded.  Great that so many have come from so far to do this.   M2M this weekend has a huge turn-out.  Wind is supposed to back off from current nuke levels but still be blowing plenty good enough.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on July 09, 2013, 09:22:39 PM
Great report. Lots of energy happening over there. You can feel it through the story in the post.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on July 09, 2013, 10:11:42 PM
Less words and more vid... Please..  ;D

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on July 09, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
That was the best run I have ever done!  Thanks HM for waiting for me.  We have to do that again soon!  The wind was so insane today...dropped into one and had a full on surfing bottom turn going left. I could have probably dragged my hand on the face it was so big. Also, I did a couple full speed pearl dives that sent me over the handle bars big time!  Every time I thought I may be able to be able to catch HM, I fell, and he just sailed on. He ended up smoking me....well done!  Can't wait to get a few more under my belt before the race this weekend.

Near the end of the run, maybe after that big bottom turn, I felt like I was always turning left, and had to hold the rudder to the right.  Finished the run, and briefly looked at it, but didn't notice much.  When I got home I noticed that the right cable on the A.S.S. system was completely detached!  I am lucky that I made it back before it completely stopped working. Looks like a pretty minor fix (on land).  Hoping I can get to SIC in the morning. 

All in all, Awesome, and thanks again to Headmount for showing me the line! 

Southbay

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Kissa on July 09, 2013, 11:38:20 PM
Was good to catch up Bill and glad you got out there.
I did a couple of runs today. The first was a certainly my best maliko ever.
Everyone was absolutely smoking. There were SUPs everywhere. Must of been 20 paddlers representing about 10 different nations - v cool.
I mainly paddled the course with Kelly Margetts and Marcus Tardrew (sp?) from oz. Was so much fun mucking around on the runs together. It was kinda like skiing a times - just big slopes that you could do anything on. Lots of stalling on the back of the boards...just waiting for that little opening that would allow you to accelerate through to the next trough. We just don't this sort of stuff in oz so it was very cool to share it with a couple of mates.
Ran into Livio in Paia after. He did a mid-arvo run. Livio times all his runs and lets just say it was very fast - in excess if averaging 10mph. It is a shame we will not have smoking conditions for M2M. He is just so awesome when it is nuking.
As for photos / video DJ - good ole Iron Phil had the headcam out again today so you never know. :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on July 09, 2013, 11:54:19 PM
Southbay, see if Mark has any of the plastic nuts instead of metal. I like them a lot better, they stay put and don't get corroded into place.

Good to hear you guys are having fun. Hot and still in the gorge today, I did a little flatwater stuff, but we're waiting for wind now.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on July 10, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
Here is video of GPS track from yesterdays run compared to day before that - much tighter line, so much so, that I had to pinch a little to get back out. You can see me changing course in line with airport runway.

We went straight through Kanaha and all the Poleboarders and if there had been any kind of swell it would have been trouble as the tiny windswells were breaking meters to the left of us.

Not sure if this is too tight? I felt the pinching bit did slow us down a bit.

You can also see wind was stronger in harbor as I was seeking any refuge I could find - having no steering sucks in there.....

No-one overtook us yesterday - helps when you take a 20minute head start.... ;D

TighterLine Maliko 9 July 2013 - 30knots East (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZv9Fl7BK3s&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 10, 2013, 10:26:08 PM

Not sure if this is too tight? I felt the pinching bit did slow us down a bit.


Less than 1k offshore at the airport is close by my standards.  It's all a matter of how you feel in there - whether or not you can make use of the bombs before they push you in to the breakers. 

The tide is high, so you should have plenty of water.  Be careful if the tide is low, it can dredge in there.  Some days shooting the reef has a slow section for me.  Next day, same time, same wind - zip right through.  It's a mystery to me.  I just relax and go with the flow.  I can feel if the tide is working on the south shore, but not maliko.  The experienced north shore guys can feel it.  They know when they are supposed to get glides.  If they don't get 'em, it's the ocean.     

The tide will be about the same on the 20th.  I hope it blasts again for you all.     


No-one overtook us yesterday - helps when you take a 20minute head start.... ;D


You did about 1:11 to the entrance.  Very impressive on a 14.  You guys must have had some great runs.  If you had time to stick around and learn the run, maybe a bullet and some lessons from Jeremy, you guys would kill maliko.  That millers run video was incredible.  On 14's!  Amazing.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 11, 2013, 07:08:48 AM
Here is my line from last Sunday.  It was lighter conditions, maybe 15 knots.  This is an inside line for me.  750 meters offshore at the airport.  I'm usually further out, about 1200m to 2km, depending on conditions. 

Soft topper white foamies were breaking just like it says on the map.  Note how I zigged out to play it safe, even in small wind.  I've only been truly mowed once in ski.  Knock wood.       

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko7-7-13800x345_zpsc06188f1.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko7-7-13800x345_zpsc06188f1.jpg.html) 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko7-7-131800x431_zps84b81b7d.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko7-7-131800x431_zps84b81b7d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on July 11, 2013, 07:29:57 AM
I don't think I'd like to get mowed on a ski, it's bad enough on a SUP. Which reminds me, first thing next winter I need a new leash.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 11, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
I want to see HM's grandson on the V-2 on a windy day.  If that board gets some air under it it will lift him out of the water by  his ankle.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/bald-eagle-attack-o_zps82da04bc.gif) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/bald-eagle-attack-o_zps82da04bc.gif.html) 

Brave kid at 10 years old to be launching at maliko in this big wind event.  He only weighs about 70 pounds.  Standing on the tail of a 17-4 in big swells must be a thrill.   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on July 11, 2013, 10:38:35 PM
Yesterday I did a Maliko on oc-1 with a friend that I'm breaking in on oc-1.It was his 4 th maliko,and only his 5 th time paddling an outrigger.I started him in 20-25 mph,and yesterday was to be a little notch up.Outside of  the lifeguard tower @Kanaha, about a mile out,just as he was righting up his oc-1 after a huli(flip),and while I was keeping an eye on him,a pretty mean squall caught us by surprise.I did not see it coming,it was the most intense gusts I have experienced .I have been out in 40+knots,but this felt way stronger,I felt that I was in a blender!.And with a straight east blowing on the ama,it would have been very easy to blow the harbor entrance.Luckily,I had chosen a tight line for this run because of the east direction of the wind,if we would have taken a further out line(which often I do for catching the glides all the way to the mouth of the harbor),we would have been shitting bricks.The airport shows 45mph for that time frame,11 am,but I'm sure it was more than that out there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on July 12, 2013, 01:28:45 AM
Video from the last couple of days - cameo by Jeremy Riggs - he cross-stepped his way past me, pulled out a camera, took a pic and disappeared as quickly as he came...incredible on that 22" Bullet!

Hawaii - Maliko Take One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpXNZJYQ8rE&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on July 12, 2013, 06:02:09 AM
Wow! Great video perterp! Very, very pro. How did you get the camera shots from above? That is a great perspective. Thanks for posting that! Conditions look screaming, near continuous surfs/glides.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 12, 2013, 08:33:43 PM
Outside of  the lifeguard tower @Kanaha, about a mile out,just as he was righting up his oc-1 after a huli(flip),and while I was keeping an eye on him,a pretty mean squall caught us by surprise.I did not see it coming,it was the most intense gusts I have experienced .I have been out in 40+knots,but this felt way stronger,I felt that I was in a blender! /

Wow! 5th time on an oc-1 and the wind tears it up like that!  Now that's what I call an adventure. 

So stoked the wind went ape this week for all the visitors.  Thanks for the video PeterP 

The wind was exceptional last night over here on the south shore.  Nothing like maliko, but great fun for 5.5 miles.  Turned off like a light switch soon after I finished.  Perfect timing for my bike ride back to the truck.  I was dreading that headwind. 

Best of luck to all the racers this weekend. 

south shore 7 11 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_zV8Ss9CTM&feature=youtu.be#ws) 

 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 17, 2013, 09:48:19 AM
Here is an excellent article about steering in swells.  I'll post it here in the unofficial ski thread.  It also applies to standup.  

I'm eagerly anticipating the next article, explaining the advantages of positioning on the crest of the wave.  

It's a complex topic.  Telling someone with an F-16 to NEVER jam the nose is bad advice.  It depends on the situation.  (Sometimes it pays off).  Having a coach (on the water) explain the trade-offs is invaluable.  It's very dependent on the individual - virtually impossible to put in writing, IMHO.

Good advice about how rudders can work efficiently.  

http://surfskicenter.com/2013/06/30/broaching-your-surfski-and-how-you-can-prevent-it/ (http://surfskicenter.com/2013/06/30/broaching-your-surfski-and-how-you-can-prevent-it/)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on July 18, 2013, 06:00:11 PM
As I learned in yoga class.....practice, practice, all is coming. I have read this article several time since it was first published and while I _ get it_ I don't get to practice enough. But when it hooks up it is awesome, right? Envious of your situation where you have downwind opportunities regularly. My biggest mistake is what they talk about here.....I typically go to early when my bow is fully engaged in the water instead of letting the crest get up under my butt. Practice, practice.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 22, 2013, 05:27:57 AM
Wind was excellent Sunday afternoon.   

A small south swell adds another element to the wind swells.  It seems to give an extra boost on select glides.  What goes up must come down, so some are slower.   

I kept my heart rate under 120 all week in an effort to rest, gain efficiency, etc.  Today was almost an all out effort. 

These are select glides on the faces of big swells.  Hard to see in video, but the speedo shows it.  Each clip usually begins as I  start to run on the crest of a big swell.  Then it's just steering around - hoping I can get another ride as it re forms.  Holding back and eyeing the direction of the big underlying swell is quite the trick.  I may have had on or two today, but they are very elusive.  Very fun day.  Too much effort though.  Holding back is the key - then zooming at the correct moment.       

south shore 7 21 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z885-6mIpY8&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on July 29, 2013, 01:51:55 AM
Excellent conditions on the south shore today. 

south shore 7 28 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNAz_9l4JME&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on August 02, 2013, 05:38:44 AM
Demoed a new Epic V10 today and really enjoyed it, hadn't really set it up too well, not enough padding and my legs too stretched out but still had a blast. What a forgiving boat, and certainly faster than my V10S. Winter down-winder in Melbourne, the Stand Up gang were all there as well, it was a great run.

V10 Demo on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/71569980)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 05, 2013, 02:15:44 AM
Nice one JC, glad to see you on the ski.  South shore has been very steady lately.  Great conditions this weekend.

south shore 8 4 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aumiPUKUpJc&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on August 10, 2013, 04:48:27 AM
Last vid of fun in Maui.....
Hawaii Take 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubd64o41cn0&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Muskoka SUP on August 10, 2013, 05:36:58 AM
Great edit Peter...
Looks like you had a super time in Maui.  Thanks for including some non water time. 

BTW, what's with Mr Muuustang???
(Maliko runs AND Mustangs, doesn't get any better than that  ;D )

DS
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: peterp on August 10, 2013, 08:29:56 AM
Great edit Peter...
Looks like you had a super time in Maui.  Thanks for including some non water time. 

BTW, what's with Mr Muuustang???
(Maliko runs AND Mustangs, doesn't get any better than that  ;D )

DS

Pietro couldn't get over how many Ford Muuustangs are driving around in Maui (we don't see them over here) so he started counting them during the shuttling to the Gulch - he was averaging 6 or 7 per trip - it became a daily routine (and laugh)

Overall the trip was fantastic, we had wind virtually every day and everyone we met were so friendly and the events were amazing. The level of paddling is way above what we're used to so we also learnt alot as well - really hope to come back some time soon!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on August 10, 2013, 08:31:58 AM
Great video Peter! I just watched it on FB, like the edits and mixing up activities. Great to have your group so close together when you're shooting too. Looks like lots of fun!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 11, 2013, 09:09:25 AM
Excellent video Peter, nice editing.  Great to see the off water shots and maliko fun. 

We had good conditions Saturday. 

maliko 8 10 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AkHYyk3ZwY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg#ws)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 17, 2013, 04:00:00 AM
Great conditions on the south shore.

south shore 8 16 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epcF14qRHE&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on August 17, 2013, 07:25:56 AM
And great conditions in Melbourne, man it's been windy lately ;D

Wow LPB, those conditions in your video above make the Bay look pretty tame...awesome South Shore!

Good Times Roll on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/72546329)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on August 17, 2013, 03:33:39 PM
Hey Jonathan.. You'll have to borrow my heigh camera mount one day and put it on the nose of your ski.

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on August 19, 2013, 04:56:46 AM
Cold and wintery...but nice and windy!

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: DavidJohn on August 19, 2013, 05:04:07 AM
Nice.. That was your best Jonathan.. It was pretty wild out there wasn't it.

DJ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 19, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
Nice one JC, those are some long rides.  I love the remount video.  You cold water guys don't waste any time getting back in the boat!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ChefBoyRD on August 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Aloha everyone on this thread, I am looking to do my very first Maliko run on  Sep 4th , Can anyone recommend who I should contact to help me out on my virgin run please?  :o
Does JRiggs help out newbies?, I have an old 12'2" Laird ( some have told me this would work). I SUS, prone surf and ride whatever I can , I just have never done a Maliko DW'r and would like to give it a try especially before the winter swells start rolling in. Would appreciate any help in who to go with , I don't really want to solo my first run. Patrick you like take me? , only problem it's on a Wed.  Thanks so much
Aloha !!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on August 21, 2013, 03:42:42 PM
Jeremy does take newbs, and he has boards you can use.  You could use the laird, but you'll get more glides and have more fun with a 14 Bullet (Jeremy has one you can use I believe).  Jeremy is a great guy, obviously super knowlageable, and you don't want to mess around with Maliko!  Have fun!

Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ChefBoyRD on August 21, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Great Thanks so much SB , I'll get in touch with JR, I agree I don't want to mees with Maliko solo.

Mahalo nui loa !!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on August 21, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
You might try Headmount as well, I think he's still doing guided runs. PM him here. Jeremy is very good for teaching, and he's patient. Bill is more oriented to making sure you have a fun run and don't get into trouble.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ChefBoyRD on August 21, 2013, 06:30:39 PM
Thanks PB, I think HM might be too intense for me , I was thinking of asking him , but after seeing those pics of his early days , I think he might be more of a drill sargent on me,( boy, I said boy ,what's taking you so long? lol) just kidding HM, I would be honored to hang out with you. I'm not as young as I once was and don't know if I can keep up.  I sent JR a message on his blog, I'll see if he's available .  Thanks for the replies and advice.
Aloha and A Hui Ho!! 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on August 21, 2013, 07:21:30 PM
Agreed Pono. Headmount is the man out there!  Looking forward to meeting you when you get back on this side.

Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: StillStanding on August 25, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Chefboy,I did my first Downwinder at Maliko in July and employed the Services of HeadMount.From the moment i met him at Kahalui Harbour right through the 10 miles of Maliko ,He was very thorough and very competent ,covering all my questions and everything else he thought i should know.I would say he is a great Teacher!!
StillStanding
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on August 26, 2013, 06:13:08 AM
Fun weekend.  New personal record at maliko on Saturday, excellent wind south shore on Sunday.  Video from both days is relatively boring.  No big changes in speed or big drops, just steady rolling along.  Balance is gradually improving.  Still only scratching the surface of ski's potential.   Timing the leg drive is very tricky.   Paddle is still very short.  Power and speed will improve when the shaft gets longer.

Lots of flying fish on the south shore .  Another shark sighting south of us.  Dolphins Sunday in Kahului harbor.  They were hanging in the same spot for an hour as we did loops in the chute.   

south shore 8 25 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S85orUguHXE&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on August 26, 2013, 08:24:36 PM
Thanks PB, I think HM might be too intense for me , I was thinking of asking him , but after seeing those pics of his early days , I think he might be more of a drill sargent on me,( boy, I said boy ,what's taking you so long? lol) just kidding HM, I would be honored to hang out with you. I'm not as young as I once was and don't know if I can keep up.  I sent JR a message on his blog, I'll see if he's available .  Thanks for the replies and advice.
Aloha and A Hui Ho!! 

Nah, he's seriously mellow. Old surf hippie. He just LOOKS mean. He's absurdly patient too. He taught windsurfing for years in allan Cadiz's outfit. When I tag along on one of his guiding deals I almost always ditch him because he's carefully guiding people along who won't listen. My patience lasts about as long as fruit-fly adolescence. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on August 27, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
Sorry Ricky,just saw your post.I agree Jeremy would be your best bet,especially if he has a board for you to use.Bill also,HM,he's cool.They both are.Jeremy has a nice bright orange cap,you can see him from far,I see him passing  when I'm surfing at Hookipa ;D   Since I only do Maliko on a oc-1,they would be better for you .Having the right board is very important for the fun factor,you want to catch bumps,and glide,and glide some more,not just paddle the whole way.That ain't fun.Let me know how it goes.Maliko good these days.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 01, 2013, 02:01:02 AM
Amazing conditions today at maliko.  A small north swell was just perfect across kanaha.    Knocked another 30 seconds off my best time.  It was like Christmas out there.

maliko 8 31 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPLNcNSDGM#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 02, 2013, 07:45:15 PM
My legs were feeling shot today but couldn't resist my fourth day in a row of spectacular conditions on the north shore.  Been many people going recently, including a six man canoe yesterday.  That was something, seeing that thing plowing downwind.  The stroker in front was underwater half the time.

Every labor day I cringe remembering my atrial fibrillation on this date in '07.  But fortunately today, I had Covesurfer with me.  It's thrilling to enjoy days with someone paddling just off your periphery, pushing each other to the max but more than that it removed any historical weird feelings I had about today.   I was thankful for his company today.  His board is noisy and even when I can't see him, I can hear him.

Also great to see Jimmy Lewis out cooking along on his new  lower rockered 14'.  Picked the thing up and it was light light.  Known Jimmy for a long time and it's great to see him going often.

Cove and Art from Seattle have adapted quickly to conditions over here after their experiences on the Columbia.  If you're keen to do Maliko and you live on the mainland, the Gorge seems like the ideal warm up.



Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 02, 2013, 08:16:33 PM
HM, I didn't know about the a-fib anniversary! Glad you are feeling good, you looked awesome out there today, surfing big glides and smokin' along! That is really cool when I know you're over there, surging up ahead and then I'll catch a drop and surge too!

I saw RR at the end of the run and his new custom 14'. Really sweet looking board!

Mercifully, the harbor was pretty light when I came in - the wind was more out of the northeast than east and it wasn't a bad paddle in, even with the cruise ship sitting there.

I took a pretty inside line and had to dig hard to stay high enough to make the entrance. Kept thinking about PB's warning not to come up short. 

Learning to read the water and learning the run is about the most fun thing I've ever done. There are places where I catch glides that leave a silly grin on my face and a feeling that there was no way in hell I should have gone that fast on a giant board and no way I should have stayed up to ride yet another one.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on September 02, 2013, 08:42:57 PM
You guys are killin' me. I shouldn't bitch, there was enough wind for a good downwinder today but I didn't even try. Too much other stuff going on. I raced Peyote last weekend at Portland International Reaceway--had a good time and broke my personal lap record. Next weekend is a big race at Road America in Wisconsin. I belong to a group of lunatics that race Triumph or Triumph-powered cars and we're having the annual meet up at Road America this year. Peyote has a Triumph frame and running gear. Should be great fun, I love that track and Elkheart Lake is a true racer town.

But it still kills me to be missing out on doing Maliko runs with you guys.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on September 02, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
that 6 man was Hawaiian Canoe Club,Keanae to Kahului,24 miles  flying downwind.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on September 04, 2013, 05:24:28 PM
That really was a great weekend of Downwinding!  Around Uppers it was truly amazing.  I was walking all the way back to the tail of my Bullet 17 and putting the board on rail, going left and right.  I was just laughing out loud at what a great time I was having.

I cruised along side the 6 man for probably about 3-4 miles (they were switching positions in the canoe and stopping a lot, otherwise they would have smoked me).  Watching them surf along side me was really amazing to watch.  The stoker could have used a snorkel. 

Then on Sunday HM, Covesurfer (I think?!?) and I stayed together for a good 20 minutes all surfing the same bumps within earshot.  What a great weekend!  Maui No Ka Oi.

Who is down for a Kihei run this week?


Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 09, 2013, 11:29:23 PM
Southbay, somehow I missed your post! Yeah man, that was some good stuff when the three of us were all catching bumps out there last weekend!

I still haven't gotten a southside run in but HM and I went yesterday and today to the oil tanks. Victor went with us yesterday and was just paddling out of the gulch today when we retrieved my car after our run. I'll bet he had a good run as it looked really good driving back down toward Kahului.

Today was a little better than yesterday, it was a pretty solid 25 knots and filled in nearly all the way to the oil tanks. The glides were non-stop and HM and I were pushing each other, paddling about 20 yards apart, catching tons.

I'll try and go tomorrow and Wed. but I'm going to be tied up for a couple days after that. I'll PM you my #, text or call.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 10, 2013, 12:01:56 AM
Going with paddlers that are close to your speed really does push your level.  Cove has been dialing his board and pushing me to do my best.   Fell twice today and Cove once but our time improved from yesterday. 

These are probably some of the last days of open navigating with no concerns about surf.  We had our first small (thus super crowded) swell of the season a few days ago and the onslaught of north swells will begin soon.  It's flat again now so we're getting these days in before we have to act like cats in a room full of rocking chairs, looking out for outer reef breaks on windy winter days. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 13, 2013, 11:42:16 PM
Last night the civil defense siren went off at 3 am, right next door at the Paia Firestation, by accident... twice.  So we got up and checked the TV and computer to see if death was coming our way... nothing. 

Would have chilled all day, feeling kinda groggy from little sleep but my pal came by and made me go.   Suddenly it seemed like winter downwinding, with isolated outer reef breaks and small NW swell crossing up surface conditions.  Grabbed some incredible glides but many of them were off angles with shifting direction, like a trials bike.  Wallowed often with no consistent rhythm, struggling with the uneven undulating surface.  The short sleep really knocked me off balance as well and was stoked just to make it.  Not a good 17' Bullet day.  Woulda been much better on a 14.  Winter seems to on its way with our first NW swells.  Already one SUS session.  Going to sleep now... so tired.  If I get woken up tonight, I'll be homicidal.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 20, 2013, 11:06:51 PM
Lots of fun this week on the maliko run. It's been a mixed bag of days that are epic or darn close to it followed by ones that look like they are going to be windy but turn out to be less. Today was kind of like that, windy at my house all morning but when we were driving up, it was looking on the weak side.

Still, a day on the big blue can't really be beat. Today's paddle was a work out. RR and Todd were flying, both riding 14's too. Left me almost in another zip code. I trailed HM for nearly the whole run. You really had to work to get glides, follow the waves, concentrate and not waste energy. Because you had to put out a lot of energy just to paddle the run, as light as the wind turned out to be. The last 15 or 20 minutes into the harbor was actually really good. I was getting tons of glides to the right and quite a few linked ones. The wind actually increased to provide a decent push. Big fun. It made me forget about the previous hour of hard work.

When we got into the harbor, the wind direction was really favorable so it was a cruise in to the canoe hale. That was a nice way to finish, cruised in chatting with HM. Today was seven solid days of runs for me - six malikos and one south side. I'm almost hoping we have a dead day as it seems I just can't stop myself from going. Trying to get lots of sleep so I can keep this streak going, at least for another run or two. Or three. ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on September 21, 2013, 02:01:10 AM
One more tomorrow Cove!  I have to return your rack pads!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 21, 2013, 09:52:22 AM
Sounds good SB! Let's get Mr. HM out there too.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 21, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
Today Cove and I drove up with Southbay and did a collective exhale as we turned the corner by Mamas where you get your first glimpse of the ocean.  Hardly even any texture and large glassy patches in the ocean upwind.  Cove and I had just done a slog yesterday which resulted in my near faceplant into my food at dinner last night.  Doing a repeat sounded grim.  I advised a stop check above Hookipa for a reconsideration.  A squall went by and a little more texture appeared but still,  it certainly didn't look good.  Southbay had worked all week and was young, fresh and gung ho.  Even though Cove and I were old and worn out from a solid week of downwinders, I looked at Southbay  and said let's go.

Felt tired as soon as we started paddling out, facing the grim task of yet another flat to sloppy water grind.  But the wind was a great direction, east, and the little that there was created some little bumps.  Wrapped my head around trying to fit into little grooves and enjoy the work out.  Southbay ventured far outside looking for wind while Cove and I were farther in.  By the second mile, oddly we all merged up from our variant paths and things really started to pick up.   Suddenly by the third mile it was spectacular.  The three of us kept trading places all the way to the end.  Care had to be taken as the east wind direction held up all the way to the finish.  As soon as we dropped in we tore the best angle we could towards shore... definitely a rudder board day.  Beach at finish was so windy we decided to double up on the board carry up the beach.  No sense in losing your board after such a great paddle.

Incredibly as we drove back up to retrieve Southbay's truck, conditions had glassed off again.  Felt like winter conditions today, small wind window and east winds.  We got lucky.  Surf is on the rise and wind is declining.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on September 21, 2013, 10:54:23 PM
Nice report HM.  We also had excellent wind on the 1:00 shuttle.  A bit light at the start but it soon cranked.  I too was exhausted from overtraining, so I skirted the reef. 

Ski was in it's element in the deep water swells (on the black dot).  Spooky big after a week on the south shore.  It was really moving "outside."  Magnificent glides and huge fun. 

2 years in ski now.  The boat is far more capable than I am.  It really strains at the harness at times.  The devil on one shoulder saying "charge!", the angel on the other saying, 'stay in the boat'...  But a few of today's glides felt like all time zoomers.  Great fun.     

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko9-21-13800x341_zps91d3dc08.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko9-21-13800x341_zps91d3dc08.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 21, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
Our line today...
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on September 22, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
It sure was glassy at first!  If I haven't been jonesing so bad, I doubt we would have gone....I can't believe what luck we had with the wind.  The end was some of the windiest conditions I have felt this summer.  Check out this picture of Ho'okipa (3 min from Maliko) before we started.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: paidmydues on September 22, 2013, 08:15:51 PM
NICE PIC OF HOOKIPA,WHAT TIME WAS THAT?We left the Maliko dock at 11,on our OC-1's,when we passed in front of KAULAHAO( the beach next to the blue tile roof house in Ku'au) I saw that the waves were breaking in front of the beach,which means a north swell,which means waves in Kahului harbor.After our Maliko run(felt like winter with some big  drops and  north swell running),we spent another fun session catching waves in the harbor,what a nice way to end it.Lucky we live Maui!!!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 22, 2013, 08:34:38 PM
That was probably taken just before 1pm. We were on the water about 20 minutes later. We came in at the oil tanks, east side of Pier 1 so we missed the waves in the harbor. Off Kanaha, we had some big drops. Spectacular run on a day when it looked like it was going to be a slog.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on September 26, 2013, 07:29:56 PM
Today's featured light winds but were accentuated by a cloud street that extended out from Pukalani.  This cloud street is there fairly often but usually the tops are around 8Gs.  Today the tops were easily 10 and probably 15 Gs.  That created a ton of cloud suck and for all of us who launched at 1:30, benefited from it.  Without much residual background swell, the surface conditions were extremely well organized on a billiard table surface and gliding was excellent.  Very enjoyable. 

September is usually hot and not fantastic for downwinders and this month has been hot but the runs have been pretty decent.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 27, 2013, 09:29:44 PM
Today was nice but overcast, with high cirrus clouds filtering the sunlight. The wind was blowing though and the ocean looked solid with whitecaps looking east, into the wind. Speaking of east, there was plenty of that in the wind direction today too.

Discussed the possibility of a maliko with HM and he thought it might be pretty good. Yesterday was really outstanding, not off the charts windy but steady, good direction and fun, lined up swells. I was operating on full stoke from that run, as it was my fastest so far and I'm really starting to figure out how to use my rudder to stay gliding.

Anyway, we decided on a run to the oil tanks and rallied around 1230. On the way up, it really looked sort of weak but HM observed that he'd seen similar days with the high overcast that appeared to be on the light side but turned out to be really good. Well, as soon as we got outside the gulch, it was very apparent that HM had made the call correctly. It was solid wind with really good direction. The glides were fantastic and there were many opportunities for linking multiple waves. HM and I diced it up for just about the whole run, paddling close to each other and alternatively pulling away on glides.

My only fall resulted from oversteering right and I crashed almost directly in front of HM. He had a flawless run with good speed and no falls at all. It was good wind and waves all the way in to the beach. When we went back up to retrieve cars, it was still blowing and well after 3 pm. What an awesome couple of days!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on September 28, 2013, 11:12:50 PM
What a difference a day makes!

A building NW swell changed the run quite a bit. We went to the oil tanks. I fell four times and the run took total concentration, especially from upper Kanaha on. Still, it was a lot of fun, the wind was good, the direction was good, and there were some nice big drops.

Near the end of the run, right around the water treatment plant, but still out too far to expect breakers given the general sea conditions, a large set rolled in. I totally didn't expect it. Somehow, I lucked out, even though the set waves jacked up and began breaking, I was in a spot where they rolled under me. Scared me pretty good though.

The four set waves were beautiful but they were BIG, at least compared to what we've been seeing out there. I typically don't look up the faces on a downwinder but these bombs rolled in right from the north and to my direct right hand side. In the interest of survival, I watched all of them. After the big set rolled through, it was back to the usual windswell chop and you'd have never thought that those bad boys would have shown up. I think it entertained HM, who saw the whole encounter although he probably didn't see how big my eyes must have got.

Finished the run today with a decent time but definitely humbled. I better get my excuses ready for why I'm too busy to paddle on the north side this winter. ;D
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on October 02, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
JC from Melbourne joined Cove, Victor and myself for a great run.  Victor loaned JC his other Brian board which he adapted to immediately.  East winds and increasing swell.  Spaced out and forgot that there was a swell and led Cove right into a rogue peak outside uppers.  Heard it first and glanced over my shoulder to see a full on breaking wave.  Fortunately we were just clear downwind.  Legs began to wobble
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on October 02, 2013, 11:25:31 PM
Great run today, lots of steep drops and beautiful glides. Solid wind. HM and I paddled pretty close together for the run. That was cool. I was also very stoked to have made my first north shore run with no falls. That felt pretty good!

The days of skirting the reefs with impunity are likely behind us. As HM said a while back, its like being a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on October 03, 2013, 07:42:41 AM
Be careful out there you goofballs.

I'm surfing my way back from the BOP. In Santa Cruz today. Windy and the water is cold. Oh, well. Good run so far. November 5 is coming fast.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 12, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
Incredible conditions across Kanaha.  This video was straight offshore from the airport, at 1.4 miles offshore.  About the same line as the one above.  

I like to play it safe in the winter.  20+ fathoms may be a bit slower - but more relaxing than the potential mayhem across the reef.    East and Northwest swells were getting along very nicely.  Super fun.

A nice feature of boats is the ability to mount the garmin at your feet.  It's easy to see and keep track of info.  I watch my heart rate carefully.  Up in the 160's is a clear warning that I'd better be careful.  I'm not in great cardio shape these days.  The risk of falling increases greatly as the heart goes up.  And, in these conditions, it may take 3 minutes of rest before I can remount.  Hanging on to the boat, kicking hard to keep it from broaching is barely resting...

It's nice having the heart rate on the vids to remind me of just how hard I was actually pushing.  Several glides missed, but hey, that's all I got.  Not breathing hard, just trying to pull hard at the right times.                

maliko 12 11 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXjc0d-2CDo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg#)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on December 12, 2013, 08:01:20 AM
Yeah, it was pretty challenging conditions for my first Maliko of the year. My timing was off, or the Wiki I was using wasn't cutting it--I had a hell of a time hooking up glides. Back to a Molokai for north shore downwind I guess. Wiki orks fine on the southside.

I was suppose to come in at the oil tanks with HM and Cove, but I was so far outside and the wind had so much east, that I didn't think I could make the turn. I didn't want to get caught up against the jetty if Pier One was going off, so I went in the Harbor. I should have just gone for it, Pier One wasn't all that big, and the angle probably would have worked. But I figured a half mile of walking is better than a half mile of swimming with a busted board. As it turned out Cove came and got me, so that was coo,
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 29, 2013, 03:45:11 AM
HM suggested a different camera angle for shooting other paddlers.  The cam is mounted on the bow of my ski. 

This is a side view of Kathy in light wind.  She's new to ski, 4th downwinder.  She has a strong background in surfing, standup surfing and downwinding.  She's progressing very quickly in ski. 

Skis motor in light wind swells.  Fun day. 

south shore 12 28 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsaV98M0jM8&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on December 29, 2013, 08:11:41 AM
See the diff?  That was unreal.  Huge improvement.  Good work.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 29, 2013, 10:58:53 AM
Thanks HM.  I"m hoping to get some good stuff in downwind conditions.  The girls and I have been using that angle for flat water.  It was tricky at times to keep the bow of my boat alongside, but the results are great.  

She didn't know I was shooting.  Just a typical workout for her.  That girl has some great focus.  No surprise that she is advancing so quickly and carries so much fitness from her other sports.  She's ticking off a lot of small details very diligently.          

Devin and Lee were with us, on standup.    Devin is another inspiration.  Always fit as a fiddle.  Charges huge scary maliko all year.  Truly a pleasure to see fit people at home on the water.  Devin has an awesome forward stroke.  I think she and Kathy get that from standup surfing.  She and Lee were close behind.  Kathy was motoring.  She will get faster as her steering improves.  

Anyone on the fence about ski should go.  I know both the reps here - Epic and Fenn.  The first time is important.  They have a range of boats with various levels of stability.  Very rewarding sport.  Marginal to dreadful conditions on standup are big fun in a ski.  Big wind will scare the bejeesus out of you - if you are into that.    
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on December 29, 2013, 03:39:56 PM
Great video LPB, wow, how relaxed does Kathy look, not that I'm surprised of course...

Interesting to see the rudder come right out of the water at one point.

Such a good angle to see the way the boat reacts to the swell.

And couldn't agree more about ski's allowing marginal SUP conditions to be really enjoyed. I'll never forget that Kihei run we did in September where the wind changed 180 to become a head wind but the waves were still running. Strangest feeling catching wind waves going into the wind, but even stranger was the guy doing the downwind run on the OC1 coming towards me!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on December 29, 2013, 07:57:03 PM
Funny you should mention Devin's stroke Larry, I've been watching her surf recently, and it's interesting to see how much she keeps her paddle vertical and how much reach she gets--even surfing. It looks like the stroke of someone that's been doing a lot of outrigger paddling, but I'm not sure that's the case. I wonder where it comes from. I'll have to ask her next time.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on December 30, 2013, 01:14:37 AM
Hi JC, yes, she is smooth and graceful.   

Today was her 5th downwinder.  Nice wind, whitecaps all over, slightly offshore.  Fun day.  She had to turn in to Sarento's fairly aggressively.  With a standup background she was concerned with the angle.  She steered the ski across without slowing.  She's learning very fast.  I'm not surprised.  It's fun to watch.

south shore 12 29 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmxI5v_S5b8&feature=youtu.be#)

 


Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on December 30, 2013, 07:47:56 AM
You put two subjects in the frame and it becomes pretty exciting.  That was great.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 09, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
Hey LPBay--what's the learning curve like on a ski?  I've been seeing them around here in SoCal, and kinda have an inkling to try one out.  Heard they're tippy and hard to balance, tho'.  Would one expect to get dunked repeated for many sessions, even on a 'stable' ski?

There are roughly 3 types of skis.  Beginner, intermediate and elite.  Beginner skis are about 17 to 18 feet long and about 21 inches wide.  That's your V-8's and Bluefins. 

Then come the 20 foot by 19 inch V-10 sports and Swordfishes. 

Then the 21 foot 17 inch V10's, 12's 14's and Elite Glides.

Anyone that can do standup will not fall out of a beginner boat.  It's virtually impossible.  You can sit comfortably with both hands in the water on one side of the boat and it won't go over.  They are a HELL of a lot faster than people think.  A strong paddler will smoke me in my 'elite' boat, easily.  Technique is huge in skis.  Very difficult to master. 

Most, if not all paddlers start in a boat that is too tippy.   I did.  Men are especially bad that way.  It's an ego thing.  I started in a V-10 sport and it was murder.  But I didn't quit and kept going.  If I had it all to do over I would start in a V-8.  It's very hard to paddle correctly when you can barely balance the boat.  Men are idiots.   

Kathy started in a V-10, but she's quite talented.  But even she should be in a more stable boat.  She got that one to save money.  She hopes to develop her balance as she learns, with the understanding that it will just take longer.  She's progressing quickly and will eventually be faster than me.  That's just Kathy.  She's got more talent in her little finger than I have in my whole body.  And ski's reward talent.  It's all about graceful, fluid motion.

So, get in a ski.  They are a blast.  They get a bad rap because the first experience can be tough.  It's often the case that some dickhead with an elite ski wants to have a laugh so he invites his pal to give it a go.  Most girls can balance an elite ski, first try.  Men usually have tight hip flexors.  They get nervous and go over.  Elite skis are tippy, but that goes away.  I can't remember the last time I fell out.       

Like paidmydues said, oc-1's take more skill.  They really do.  Beginner ski's won't punish you on the first try.  Ironically, you can paddle the most advanced oc-1, first time.  That's not the case with ski's.  Men need to work up to the elite boats.         

     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: mik911 on January 11, 2014, 08:51:34 PM
LPB---thanks for that info. Much help!
I have no pride, so will be looking for a beginner ski.  (my first SUP was a South County 35" wide!)
What's the avg weight of a beginner ski?
Where I launch, I'll need to carry it by myself across the street to the launch site.  Is this do-able?

thanks again
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on January 11, 2014, 09:37:34 PM
I can answer that since I've been browsing (no, Larry, not buying yet). Most skis and OC-1's weigh less than a downwind SUP, certainly less than my 38 pound Bullet 17 V2. My scorpius weighs 21 pounds. The heaviest Epic V8 weighs 39 pounds, the performance version weighs 27.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on January 11, 2014, 11:42:07 PM
Mike, skis are a bit more difficult than standups to transport and  store.  Most of the beginner boats have handles.  Not hard to carry with a little practice.      

Be sure to have a ski paddler with you the first time you try one. The pedal setup and paddle adjustments are important for comfort and safety.

Another ski paddler can walk you through the setup and help with how they behave on the water.  Super fun boats.  They are designed to surf.

Here's a link to the V-8.  That's a very nice boat, recently redesigned.  You may find big discounts on older models that are nearly as good.  Fenn has a similar boat called the Bluefin.  I think they are a bit less expensive.  Find someone in your area to steer you in the right direction.
      
http://www.epickayaks.com/product/product/epic-v8 (http://www.epickayaks.com/product/product/epic-v8)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JonathanC on January 12, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
I can answer that since I've been browsing (no, Larry, not buying yet). Most skis and OC-1's weigh less than a downwind SUP, certainly less than my 38 pound Bullet 17 V2. My scorpius weighs 21 pounds. The heaviest Epic V8 weighs 39 pounds, the performance version weighs 27.

Do it do it do it, is my subtle response to even the slightest interest  ;D

Did a paddle a couple of days ago in quite large side-on ground swell, maybe 20knots of wind behind us, distance of about 10 miles, choppy, confused conditions. I was on my V10S, old model in the heaviest Club construction, my buddy who is 10 years younger and very fit and strong was on a new Fanatic Falcon 14 x 27 in carbon construction.  

Honestly I was idling pretty much the whole way so that we could stay in touch, its a very exposed stretch of open water and no fun to be left behind there. I would wait for him, then with a few strokes pick up one of the big ground swells and take off laughing like a fool, then stop and wait...
He must have fallen off 8 or 10 times, he still had a blast but nothing like the fun I had. A ski turns mediocre SUP conditions into huge fun. Had to come in through 4 foot beach break and even that was a hoot despite my trepidation.

I've had my ski for 2 or 3 years now and the learning curve is certainly pretty steep starting from scratch with something like the V10S, I remember the hours in the marina when the ripples from a passing boat would make me tense up with apprehension of the impending dunking! But now I feel quite relaxed in big ugly open water with waves coming from different directions, amazing how the body learns new motor skills. It's also great cross training for SUP.

I love down-winding in good conditions on a sup, love the ability to get right back and surf, but anything less than optimal a ski leaves it for dead in the fun department imo.

I'm looking at the new V10L which will be in Oz in a few weeks, probably go for the black tip middle weight version, hoping that may be a little tougher for coming in through surf. Keeping my old V10S, the family love it. Totally agree with LPB, V8 would be the perfect entry level boat for most people and probably a great keeper for friends and really rough conditions.  
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: mik911 on January 18, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
Thanks guys.  I'm anxious to try a surf ski now.
Will look around SoCal, see what I can find.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on January 26, 2014, 01:12:24 PM
More than a rumor about a 160 pound 6 man canoe built by the Chinese autoclave factory.  My friend has one ordered.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
^ Wow, 160 is light for a 6 man. 

Very fun reverse south shore run today.  Wind direction was perfect.  Not crazy powerful wind, but the runs were lined up very nice. 

We only had to paddle out 10 minutes to start the run.  That took us out almost a mile.  If the wind is really cranking, 2 miles out is better because reverse runs have big swells bending on shore.

It's a shame we only get a few reverse runs a year.  A big kona storm with a proper fetch will have swells as big as any maliko run.  This fetch was smaller, but the swells lined up very nice.  It's my favorite run on Maui. 

reverse south shore 2 1 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQCgx005Uo&feature=youtu.be#)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/2-1-14800x430_zps5d435f83.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/2-1-14800x430_zps5d435f83.jpg.html)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on February 01, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
160 lbs for a 6 man is 240 lbs less than what a standard 6 man outrigger weighs in at. Paddling a boat like that would be unreal!

PB and I formed up a team for the relay race up the west side from Oluwalu to Hanakao'o. We had some great bumps but generally more quartering seas than a true downwind run would have. Still, it was really a blast. When we were signing in at the canoe hale in N Kihei early this morning, I wasn't so sure what I was getting into but PB assured me it would be fun and he was right on.

I wondered if anybody was doing a reverse run from south to north near Kihei today. Glad to hear you had a good run, LPB!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on February 04, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
Here is a cool video with Oscar.  Both paddlers are in V-8's.  Very fast boats.  Very stable too.  

He's the maestro of downwinding.  12 times Molokai to Oahu champion.

He's coming to Maui and spending a week, doing a clinic on May 11th.

The other guy in the video is Boyan, also a great paddler.  He runs the Epic surfski center in Tarifa.  Oscar is part owner of Epic kayaks.  He's building surfski centers all over the globe.    

Oscar Chalupsky gives a downwind surfski lesson while paddling at full speed on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/84523848)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 16, 2014, 12:12:37 AM
Smoking south shore today.  Sunday should be blasting too.  Good footage today, I may post a vid later.   

Here is a pic of a close whale encounter.  Massive creatures.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/mauitraffic800x388_zpsee75282c.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/mauitraffic800x388_zpsee75282c.jpg.html)

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 16, 2014, 12:32:28 AM
We went canoe club to Polo. Great run, wind was very offshore most of the way. No whales today but I almost hit a pair of mating turtles!  Headmount also spotted two good sized sharks just off Polo Beach. Looking forward to tomorrow. Left was the word of the day.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: surfinJ on March 16, 2014, 01:19:10 AM


Here is a pic of a close whale encounter.  Massive creatures.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/mauitraffic800x388_zpsee75282c.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/mauitraffic800x388_zpsee75282c.jpg.html)

What a pic!  You guys live a gifted life, good for ya :)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on March 16, 2014, 03:22:10 AM
Thanks surfinJ, we certainly do.

The wind is really strong here tonight at midnight.  Sunday should be epic.   

Here's some video of Saturday.  The ski was flying through this section.

Cove, the wind was offshore for us too.  It was tough sledding for me in some sections.  We should have started at KCC. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7c36yqw52U&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on March 16, 2014, 09:38:48 AM
We should have done a second run. I don't know what I was thinking of. I'll even take the surfboards off my truck today so we can do two easily.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on March 16, 2014, 10:00:49 AM
As off-shore as it was, I was pretty happy with our single run.

It is rainy and cranking wind up in Wailuku. S side cams already showing wind. Hope direction doesn't get too east. Like you pointed out a while back PB, the S side seems tame but when we get the wind turning out to sea, especially with the strength it's going to have later today, it takes on a whole different character.

LPB, that's an amazing picture! Must have made you jump a little yourself!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 01, 2014, 09:23:14 PM
cove: actually, that whale sighting relaxed me.  I remember being uptight about something, then the whale came by.  Seeing whales always reminds me of how tiny we are on this planet.   

Fun maliko today.  My favorite Martian passed by about half way through the run.  I went full gas to try and keep up, but didn't last very long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhSOOeueSMU&list=UUsEHopzsYr4Yc3c-FyD_DAg
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 02, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Nice video LPB. I watched it on FB earlier and kicked myself - gently - for not going. Conditions looked stormy from my house so I opted for a rest day. Signed up for the 1030 tomorrow with dreams of a double run, perhaps. It would be my first time for a double so I want to see how conditions look first. Hope to see you out there.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 02, 2014, 01:20:11 AM
That video looks like something from a CGI bench. Flat light, grey water, strange, unmoving clouds. Then JR comes by and runs all over the place without paddling. Weird.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on April 23, 2014, 10:30:11 AM
Maliko was definitely smokin' yesterday!  Headmount and I met up with Cove, after his first run, for a 1pm run. The wind looked a little north on the way out to Maliko, but once in the water the direction was just about perfect. Plenty of horsepower and some good sized east swell running made for some big drops and lots of surfing.  Headmount and I stayed together for the entire 10 miles. It's not often on a Maliko that you can stay near anyone, but when you can, it's so cool. HM was standing on the tail just surfing for the last 4 miles. Once back at the harbor there were smiles all around. Somehow Livio and Jeremy beat us to the harbor without me even seeing them....usually I get to at least watch them pass like I'm standing still!  Ninjas for sure! 

This was also my first run on my new, to me, Bullet 17. It had become clear to me over the last few months that a hollow board is the way to go for me.  My foam board currently weighs 43 lbs!  The hollow board is 32lbs, and I could not believe how different it felt. So happy I bit the Bullet, literally, and bought the new board. First thing I did after buying it was replace all the rudder wires. Some of the nuts were really stuck, so I used some wd40.....cut to me jumping I the water at Maliko and realizing that the deck was covered with oil!  Probably would have been my fastest run ever if I hadn't fallen at least 15 times!  What a bonehead move. Haha!


All said, awesome day had by all!  Sorry Pono.....see you all soon.


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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on April 26, 2014, 12:19:24 AM
Baldwin Beach to the harbor mouth, the wind was literally turning the surface water into vapor.  The drops were huge, and surfing was about as good as it gets.  None of that got my heart racing quite like whatever hit me, hard, at Upper Kanaha.


There was not all that much swell today, but enough that the outer reef at uppers was breaking occasionally.  I was a few hundred yards upwind from the reef, when I saw it break.  I took a hard right and moved outside a couple hundred yards further.  That's when I noticed that the nice guy, and good paddler that I sat next to on the shuttle, was heading right at the break.  I was paying attention to him, hoping that I was not going to be faced with a ethical decision, should he be taken out by the wave!  It didn't seem to bother him, he just paddled right at it, as very large wave broke right in front of him.  He caught a bump at what looked like a few feet from the breaking part of the wave and just skirted past it.

I was focused on what looked like his certain death, when something hit me hard, right under my feet.  I cannot think of a time that I focused harder on staying upright on my board and catching bumps fast then at that moment.  I told myself that it was a turtle, tried to quiet my brain, and put my head down and pushed all the way to the harbor. 

Once in the harbor, the wind was so east, that it was a brutal upwind paddle to the canoe hale.  I was so exhausted that I almost forgot about the incident, until I flipped my board over....Looks like I probably did hit a turtle!  Strange that the scratches are right to left, but what ever happened, it was most likely not a tiger shark, and that is good news to me! 

Maliko.....always an adventure.

Check out the pic:

Best of luck to the Maui to Molokai guys tomorrow!  Can't wait to hear all about it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 26, 2014, 12:23:57 AM
Whoa, I hope those are turtle scratches! Conditions for m2m look epic. Hope I can get some sleep!

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 26, 2014, 10:55:03 AM
Glad the "turtle" didn't take out your rudder! 

I was on the shuttle with SB.  It looked mild on the drive up, but we knew it would open up.  A rain curtain was uphill a few miles calming things down, but they pass.

Sure enough, just as we hit Baldwin the wind unleashed.  Big east swell along with a strong wind was pure magic all across the reef. 

Very fast run.  Wind, swell and current was in synch.  My confidence to zoom along in faster bumps finally returned after a long winter hiatus.  Got my mojo back on the north shore!

They are going to score heavily in the channel today.  Excellent conditions.

Paddle Imua maliko benifit for the kids is May 10th.  Oscar downwind clinic is the 11th.  Hoping for good conditions. 

Here's a clip from yesterday.  Gloomy looking, but super fun on the water.  Big bumps. 

http://youtu.be/YM4ytItvC4g
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 26, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
Whoops, Paddle Imua is May 3rd, not the 10th - next Saturday.     

Astonishing volunteer support.  All for a great cause.  Sign up early!

http://imuafamilyservices.org/paddle-imua/
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on April 26, 2014, 07:49:55 PM
May 10th is Olukai.


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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 26, 2014, 10:37:44 PM
Maliko was off the hook today.  I'm guessing the channel was too.

2nd fastest time I've yet recorded.  So fun. 

Inside line, high tide.  The swells were so powerful I was forced to stay inside and run for my life.  Big foamy breakers outside to my right on the reef.  Super fun. 
 
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko4-26-14800x415_zps56fc26e2.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko4-26-14800x415_zps56fc26e2.jpg.html)

http://youtu.be/28saRivxPiQ
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on April 27, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
LaPerouse, I think that may be your best video yet.  The lighting really gets the bumps to show up on cam, and it really gives the feeling of what Maliko is like.  Nice work Maestro.  Wind looks a lot lighter today, but the direction looks good.  Hoping I can get a run in....
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 27, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
LPB, very impressive, you looked so relaxed and you're hovering at 12 MPH for a really big portion of this video! My fastest glides are seldom any faster than that, and then it's only for a brief moment at the peak of acceleration.

SB, it may look lighter but it's been windy up here in Wailuku. I still have to retrieve my board and other gear from our chase boat so I don't know if I'll be set up to paddle later or not. I'm pretty trashed from the channel, it was all time epic.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on April 27, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
Sometimes it's best to put in a light workout after...just to work out the kinks!  What are junkie friends for!  Haha


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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 27, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
Well, I think as sore as I am, something light would be good. Not sure a maliko qualifies, but if it gets windy enough,maybe.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on April 27, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
Thanks guys, that was an incredible day.  It's easy to look relaxed when the wind, swells and tide are all pushing together.

SB - here is a video with some glare.  Like yesterday, big east with no NW. 

I was extremely cautious in those days - new to the V-10.  The chart shows how spooked I was of the reef.  1.6 miles out at the airport.  Yesterday's run was 0.6 at the airport. 

I hope you guys eventually get boats.  They can go way out around the reef on a dangerous NW swell with a driving east wind.  SUP's are a handful if you are too far out on an east wind.  Boats can sneak in without much drama.  Nice safety feature in the winter.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko10-21-12800x445_zpsdbf04442.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko10-21-12800x445_zpsdbf04442.jpg.html)

http://youtu.be/hlBeVAp5pHk

     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on April 27, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
When you're a complete novice in a boat, like I am now, they too can be a handful on an east wind. Went for an 'easy' paddle mid morning today, just in the harbor, in PB's OC1. The east wind was gusting up around the low 30's in the harbor. With the ama on the left, it was on the leeward side of the boat going out toward the harbor entrance and I jumped on the canoe and made it to the harbor entrance pretty quick.

But, as I turned around to come back in, I suddenly realized that I had the wind and waves hitting the ama side of the boat. I was actually a bit freaked out, it was difficult for me to get in as both wind and waves wanted to lift the ama and flip me. I ran down parallel to the harbor jetty, trying as hard as I could not to get hulied by the wind and waves. Then I zig zagged all the way across the harbor, into the wind, until I got to the windward side where I ducked into the lee of the breakwall and paddled towards the beach.

I can't imagine how you'd deal with that situation outside the harbor mouth where an actual significant swell was running. I was really glad I hadn't dared to venture outside. I'd guess that there is a proper technique for paddling in those conditions but by the time I got in, my low back was on fire from weighting my left side and trying to still paddle effectively. I didn't flip but coming in from outside is unimaginable to me in those conditions in a boat.

Yesterday, a lot of the canoe people were impressed with us riding standups on the channel crossing. But for most of us on boards, we couldn't imagine how difficult a boat would be to handle in conditions that we considered fantastic for downwind surfing. There's a whole lot about paddling a boat that I have no knowledge of. This morning made me realize that I need to be a lot more aware of the wind and wave conditions in order to stay safe and that I'd better learn more to keep out of trouble.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 29, 2014, 01:20:48 AM
I paddle both SUP and OC. Even here on the big island people are just in Awe that we do downwinders on SUP's it's so shocking to them. I find it funny actually, even more so when some of us are actually faster then the lesser of the OC guys.

They always ask, how do you do it? why dont you try OC1, it's faster and easier, blah, blah, blah

I just smile, I tell them "you know that saying, only a surfer knows the feeling... " I also paddle OC1, but you just dont get the same stoke riding canoe like you do riding a board. Yea it's faster but... it's not the same. I feel sorry for some of these guys who just limit themselves to one paddling discipline.  After all you cant surf a wave on an OC like how you can surf a wave on a board, pure and simple.

as for the Novice OC thing... just like anything else you gottah just get use to it. It's a totally differnt technique to be fast on the canoe. Once the balance thing is out of the way.  This year Olukai I'm briging my board and OC1 to maui to race both days! super stoked
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on April 29, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
This year Olukai I'm briging my board and OC1 to maui to race both days! super stoked

Thanks Awesome JF808!  I have been trying to figure out how I can race OC-1, or OC-2 that Sunday.  I have very little experience in Outrigger, but it sure would be great to get to race both days...

See you soon!

Southbay
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: JF808 on April 29, 2014, 10:39:08 PM
Olukai is just one of those events where the stoke is just being out there with ALL the yellow jerseys! If you can borrow a canoe, or hitch a ride on an OC2, then do it SB!! I'm so ready to go, cant wait
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on April 30, 2014, 08:56:05 AM
Boyum passed some of Jeremy's shots to me yesterdays. This is my favorite.

(http://www.ridingsophia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Pailolo%202014/backlit%20KS%20and%20R2.jpg)

click it for full size
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 03, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Here's a video of Oscar in South Africa at Cape Town's Miller's run.  This run is bigger and wilder than our maliko run - on average. 

If Robin is using a gopro3 like mine, (flattens the waves) my guess is that these are very, very big swells.

Downwind clinic is next Sunday.  Wind is forecast to be light.  The cool thing about downwind instruction is that it's the same in light conditions. 

It may even be an advantage.  It's easier to talk about lines in lighter wind.  If he puts us in the back of a double, I'd be spooked in waves this big.

Speaking of gopros, my gp3 white is sleeping with the fishes.  I gently bonked into covesurfer last week.  We briefly crossed swords to stay upright and the cam was in the way.  No big deal, that one lasted a long time.  I'll tether the next one. 

GP3+ silver is on order.  $100 jump in price over my old one.  Better software, lens, battery and a smaller housing.         

http://youtu.be/5pL4qew6DLI
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 03, 2014, 11:27:48 AM
Wow, that was cool. Maybe there's hope for fat guys like me after all. What does he weigh? His back looks like mine. Well padded.

Today is Paddle Imua--a Maliko run for Imua Family Services. Fine charity. The forecast looked like crap, but I'm seeing whitecaps at my house--albeit out pretty far--and they're headed in the right direction.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: ericspin on May 03, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
LPB, that is an awesome video. I saw it over on .info last week as well.  I'm attending a clinic here in FL with Oscar next week when he stops on his way to you guys. Had to laugh when I saw his post about the DW clinic in Maui. Our clinic is entitled _Forward Stroke Clinic_. Ha. We do something that we call DW here when conditions setup that you guys wouldn't roll out of bed for. Meanwhile. I'll be happy to hang with him for a couple of days talking stroke theory. God knows, he has plenty to teach me! Btw, loving the V10S.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 14, 2014, 11:44:17 AM
Glad you like that V10S Eric.  The more I learn about skis, the more I realize that stability before ability is so important.  All those stories of paddlers with better form - not necessarily stronger - outrunning 'elite' boats are true.

I tagged along for a maliko run with Oscar and his students.  He had 6 students and 2 reps for his downwind clinic.  He put them all in V-8's and a few V-10S's.

Conditions were quite good, with excellent glides all the way down.  Not big wind, but great current and nice connections.  2 Epic reps were helping Oscar switch the students in and out of the double.  I'd watch and do the segments along with them.  He did the heavier, less experience students first.  I was able to keep up with the double for the first few legs, but I was at my limit.  About half way down Kathy got in with Oscar and they really motored.  They quickly dropped me.  The reps and I tried to keep up, but no chance.  But they paced me in V-8's.  When I pulled up to Kathy after she got back in her V-10S demo boat (she has a V10L) to ask her how it was, she looked like she had seen a ghost.  "you have to get in the boat with him.  His strength was unbelievable."  Just like Oscar said in his clinic, If he wants to beat top racers half his age, only technique will work.  It's all in his legs...

So back to the V10S scooting along.  A rep gets in the double and it vanishes.  Poof - one swell - gone.  Kathy starts off in pursuit of the double.  The rep in the V-8 drops me.  Kathy drops me.  Not by much, but I chased her for 2 miles as she floated along in milder conditions -  never caught her.  Granted, she's light as a feather and all muscle, but that boat and the V-8 surf real good.  I was a bit fried from a long day, but that's when elite boats make you pay.  When you get tired, stable boats are faster.  Have fun in that V-10S and don't worry about not having an 'elite' boat.  I can't go long in mine without falling apart.

Fun south shore yesterday, big wind was more offshore than I expected.  I was WAY outside.  No trouble getting in, but I paid a bit in overall speed because it was Left, left left all the way.  Big bombs out there.  Super fun.  The chart shows 2 miles out at Kam 1.  That's out there.  The Epic rep from Hood river was with me, we had a blast.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/southshore5-13-14800x359_zpse04e345e.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/southshore5-13-14800x359_zpse04e345e.jpg.html)

Gopro3+ silver has great clarity.  White balance gets tricked a few times.  They will probably remedy that glitch later.  I tried the wide angle for this run.  I like how it includes 'more' picture on the sides, but it distorts the waves too much.  I'm going back to the medium view.  They both flatten the waves, but the wide angle is just terrible for downwinders.  This was a big swell.  The rest of the run had some good stuff, but it all looks flat. 

The Gopro Studio editor has improved a lot.  I'll be switching to that and dumping the windows live movie maker.  I'll try Vimeo too.  Gopro studio is set up for it, so the vids should start looking better.  Vimeo accepts a lot more data than youtube.  The data from the cam to HDTV is astonishing.  Getting that quality to the web is not cheap or easy, hope they catch up soon.

http://youtu.be/GT8WbnhVVSg 

     
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 14, 2014, 12:14:25 PM
Nice, LPB! You are flying on those glides! Interesting to have the speed readout vs. trying to figure out how fast you're going from the vid itself.

Yesterday was pretty amazing. Your line was bold, I stayed much further in. At one point, I was probably about a mile out and I got sketched with the wind blowing out so much. At that point, I just kept heading left. Today is not looking too good as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 14, 2014, 08:00:09 PM
I need to talk to that HR Epic rep, I want to try a V8, but I probably have plenty of time.

My surgery is Friday, and the doc says I'll probably be in a sling for six weeks. Yikes. I told him I wanted to be paddling in three months and he said "possible, not likely". My suprapinatus tendon is pretty much toast. It's been mostly detached for too long, all pulled back and atrophied. The Doc says he'll see if there's any possibility for partial reattachment, but not too likely. But I've lived without much there for two years, so I've been recruiting other muscles to do the work. The subscapularis is torn deeply and the tendon is rolled into the joint, which is why I can't touch my stomach. The tendon is in there like a doorstop. the Biceps tendon that runs next to the subscapularis is mostly detached, and they're going to decide where that gets reattached when they get inside. As long as I don't have to pull a string to raise my arm I'll be happy.

I guess it's a bit of a mess. The Doc says he'll be able to fix quite a lot of it, and I should be back to at least where I was before the most recent injury, and maybe a little better. So a Ski might be a good choice for rehab. At least that's my story and I'm sticking with it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 14, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
You need more gear on your roof rack, hahaha! Good luck with the surgery. Rehab on a ski sounds like something to look forward to. Maybe the different movement with the paddle stroke is therapeutic.

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Aero on May 17, 2014, 10:17:04 AM
Hey Bill - you can try my Fenn Bluefin sometime.  Definitely worth trying it before committing to a V8.  I liked the Bluefin much better, but it is all personal preference.  It seems like less of a barge, but just as stable.   I am planning to paddle in HR a lot this summer.  Cove can give you my number.  Aij.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 17, 2014, 02:52:59 PM
Love to try it. It's going to be a little longer than I planned perhaps. I had my surgery yesterday, and it apparently was kind of messy in there. 1.5 hours turned into 4 hours. Hopefully that extra time equates to even better results. Or at least that's what I prefer to think.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Aero on May 18, 2014, 11:48:55 AM
Best of luck with your recovery.  You should be good to go by the time the water in the Columbia warms up :).  Make sure to follow your doctor's recommendations on rehabilitation.  Worst thing you could do is to overdue it too soon and mess up the repair.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 18, 2014, 12:30:52 PM
Yeah Bill, listen to Aij!

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 26, 2014, 07:05:26 PM
The wind is back boys.  Maliko was insane fun today.  Check your tide charts and look at 12-oclock.  The tide was DRIVING.  Inside was unreal.     

Hope your shoulder is healing up ok PB.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Muskoka SUP on May 26, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
I am stoked..  Looks like I lucked out, got into Maui Saturday, checked out the north shore spots yesterday - Kanaha was flat. 
Headmount will be taking me on my first Maliko run..I hope he's as patient as Pono
Suggested..

I watched a bunch of outriggers do a Southside run today.. Pretty cool looking out from our condo at Kamaole.  I can sure see why the South side is pretty good when the wind is right...

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 26, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
I am stoked..  Looks like I lucked out, got into Maui Saturday, checked out the north shore spots yesterday - Kanaha was flat. 
Headmount will be taking me on my first Maliko run..I hope he's as patient as Pono
Suggested..

I watched a bunch of outriggers do a Southside run today.. Pretty cool looking out from our condo at Kamaole.  I can sure see why the South side is pretty good when the wind is right...

He generally is, though he seems to be getting crustier as he gets older. Or maybe that's just from hanging around with me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Muskoka SUP on May 27, 2014, 07:21:03 PM
Actually Bill is extremely patient, and an extremely cool guide.  I was in over my head, he politely suggested we bail at Ho'okipa.  I did the sitting/kneeling paddle of shame after getting beat and worked about a zillion times on J.C.'s Bullet (used to be Ponos?).  Bill went and retrieved his truck at the gulch, then we drove back to the harbour and waited for Steve. 

Lesson learned.  Don't try to change too many variables at once.  As in having no open ocean experience, as well as never having used a ruddered board before.

Humbled, yes.  But very thankful for having Headmount looking after my best interests. 


Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: stoneaxe on May 27, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. At least I tell myself that,,,, ;)

I tasted the humble pie on the south side with lots of open ocean experience so don't feel too bad. I couldn't handle the bullet either. I managed the rudder OKish (oversteered into a fall more than a few times.) but she was just too tippy for me.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Muskoka SUP on May 27, 2014, 08:04:15 PM
Thanks Stoneaxe.  I was thinking maybe I'll get back on the horse..on the Southside if conditions warrant it.   And on a 14' board.



Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 27, 2014, 08:20:39 PM
First off, seriously beware of the southside right now. HM called and told me it was looking amazingly good over there on the cameras.

The problem is that a sperm whale is sick and dying off the south coast of Maui and is being systematically taken apart by a group of large tiger sharks. The whale, and sharks, were last reported off Wailea although I haven't seen any updates since early this morning (Tuesday May 27).

Yeah, the sharks are always out there but if there is a big attractant, like a dying whale, I don't want to be anywhere nearby.

I finished up a Maliko around 3 at the harbor with Southbay and Kathy S. It was on the light side but there were plenty of small bumps that were catchable. I fell in three times, all of my falls were pretty smashing. I don't know what is putting me in but I think it may be that I sometimes catch the nose when I'm trying to angle down a steeper face chasing a glide. This happens if I try and stay in the front seat, steering with the rudder but definitely not stepping back very far. The forward position is good on smaller stuff because you can get the nose into the glide and not stall the board by overtrimming on the back. But it requires finesse to not poke if you stay up there. Gotta work on that and moving my feet around more deftly.

This was my first downwinder in almost 2 weeks. There was plenty of paddling today if you wanted to get any glides. Nothing was ridden for free. Seems like the trades may be returning. Can't wait to go again!
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 28, 2014, 02:28:53 AM
Good fun today, very inside line.  One of the waves (in by the airport) was curving almost at me, so that was the limit for inside.  0.45 miles out at the airport.  Summer runs are so much fun.  Odds are good I'll get mowed this year.  It's irresistable in there.  A bit more wind and it would have been breaking all around. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-27-14800x343_zps794311c0.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-27-14800x343_zps794311c0.jpg.html)

http://youtu.be/T2qT9tbXCww
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 28, 2014, 07:45:17 AM
Nice! And what a line! That looks like Victor's winter line, but then he's both fearless and nuts.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on May 28, 2014, 12:14:36 PM
Nice! And what a line! That looks like Victor's winter line, but then he's both fearless and nuts.
And doesn't have a rudder.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on May 28, 2014, 05:26:26 PM
Yesterday was pretty fun. You had to work for the glides, but there were plenty of them. The lefts were the call, which lead me to a line that was as far in as I have ever gone.  Better line for the tanks, than the harbor. Glad to have a rudder at the end.

I'm off to the NW for a couple weeks, and the wind is back...bummed, but hoping that I can make it up t the gorge on the 9th of June. Bill, I'm sure your still recovering, but I'd love some local knowledge! 

Let's all start planning M2M!  See you all soon.

Southbay


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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on May 28, 2014, 11:02:34 PM
Mi Casa, su casa buddy. Give me a call when you get here. If nothing else I'll set you up with gear and guys to go with. Might even shuttle you. The same phone number works--you have my cell.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 28, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
South bay, sounds like he's gonna adopt you. You'll have a  blast but don't let him stock you on an old moldy board. There are a few cherries in his fleet but you'll have to look carefully. Haha haha!

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on May 28, 2014, 11:42:05 PM
Thanks Pono. I can't wait to check out the gorge! Bummed I forgot my hat you love so much....Talk soon. Advice noted Cove.


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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 29, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
Odds are good I'll get mowed this year.  It's irresistible in there. 

Well, that didn't take long.  Got mowed on the black dot. 

Little string that holds my leash untied.  3 minute swim felt like 30.

Nice windsurfer gal held my ski for me.  I was hoping for a face picture so I could identify her, but this is all I have.  If anyone recognizes this outfit, could you PM me.  I'd like to send her some flowers.  She really saved my bacon. 

Super fun day.  Nary a slipper went missing.  Nice wake up call.

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-141800x380_zpsaf66f1d3.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-141800x380_zpsaf66f1d3.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-14_zps2fe12e21.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-14_zps2fe12e21.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: stoneaxe on May 29, 2014, 11:25:34 PM
I'd recognize that cheek anywhere....... ;)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on May 29, 2014, 11:35:17 PM
Wow Larry.  Thank god she showed up, and thank god for the people responsible for the miniaturization of the bikini.

Seriously, that is exactly where I would not want to have lost my board. I've seen a decent amount of sea life there.


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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on May 29, 2014, 11:47:12 PM
Wow, LPB, you really were close in. Glad it worked out ok!

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Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on May 30, 2014, 08:37:32 AM
Very fun run.   The knock down was pretty mild.  I had just missed a glide and lost hull speed.  I was a bit arrogant not to turn straight to the beach and prepare  for a potential foamy wave.  The white water snuck up on me, but I should have anticipated it in that spot.  Better to ride a wave in too far than get broadsided. 

Pics look exciting, but it was a minor wave.  I almost held on but fell to the left and rolled under the boat.  Hat and glasses leash worked well.  Super fun day. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-142800x449_zpsdfe8287c.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-142800x449_zpsdfe8287c.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-145800x439_zpsd4383f12.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-145800x439_zpsd4383f12.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-146800x449_zps3f3f4db2.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-146800x449_zps3f3f4db2.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-147800x448_zps1130f679.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-147800x448_zps1130f679.jpg.html)



More clues on my rescuer.  The boat was rolling, so I didn't notice these pics before.

 (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-144657x537_zpsd1a265a5.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-144657x537_zpsd1a265a5.jpg.html)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko5-29-143_zps1cc6670e.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko5-29-143_zps1cc6670e.jpg.html)

http://youtu.be/MAjkU05it6U

 

 



   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: justingordon on May 30, 2014, 02:03:56 PM
Yes, Maliko runs are finally in full swing! I'm going every day in case anybody wants to join me. I'm game for either a Maliko to Sugar Cove run, or a Maliko-to-harbor run. My contact info is here: railsonmaui.com/about (http://www.railsonmaui.com/about)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 01, 2014, 02:43:15 AM
Another fun run today.  Blue skies, blue water, smooth sailing. 

http://youtu.be/_hs49tlxgog
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 04, 2014, 01:53:50 AM
Surprisingly good conditions today.  I wasn't expecting much, but the wind direction and tide were working just right.  Very predictable, groomed conditions made for an easy, fast run.   

The outrigger paddler is Austin Talley.  He's a teenager and very fast.  He was taking it easy today, so I tagged along for a few shots.  He's on a Storm.  That boat weighs less than 19 pounds, total.  Note how easy it picks up glides.  Super fun across the reef.

http://youtu.be/r_p9eTKrVrk
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: justingordon on June 05, 2014, 12:21:21 AM
Here were the conditions today! Textbook Maliko!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0brEz22SwY

Sorry for the shakey video. I had to hold the go-pro with a string from my mouth!

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 06, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
Big E swell today.  Tough for me to make connections but a few worked out for speedy glides.  The 14's and 16's had great fun surfing the steep drops. 

http://youtu.be/Ohweou-yiZ8
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 07, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
Finally the kind of day we dream about.  Two women stepped up the game off North Shore Maui and went around 20 miles.  They were smilin' at the finish.   And though they aren't old, these gals aren't young either... just hardcore and tuned in.

The bar level of DW paddling just keeps getting higher.

Sorry to tell you this Cove.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 07, 2014, 10:53:18 PM
Here's a great pic from Jimmie Hepp showing what DW conditions were like today.  I didn't go short but some of my pals did and blundered right through the race course.  Lots of swearing but my pals are as old as me and can't hear.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 08, 2014, 07:15:43 AM
Finally the kind of day we dream about.  Two women stepped up the game off North Shore Maui and went around 20 miles.  They were smilin' at the finish.   And though they aren't old, these gals aren't young either... just hardcore and tuned in.

The bar level of DW paddling just keeps getting higher.

Sorry to tell you this Cove.

Devin and Andrea are awesome to do Keanae on standup.  Very big deal in my book.  (And it's 25 miles).  Cove would be wise to be cautious when contemplating this run, on outrigger or heaven forbid, standup.  The first 10 miles are not fun at all.  I remember the side-on conditions sweeping me out of my seat twice.  Just brutal.

Maliko was really cranking on Saturday.  I was very cautious, nice wide line around the reef.  About 1.5 miles out at the airport.  It takes me about 4 minutes longer than a medium day straight across the reef, but I'm just not feeling the big ones these days.  I can't seem to stitch together the big ones with any confidence.  And without that, shooting the reef on a big day is a risky proposition on a ski.  Not worth the risk of a spin out and tumble. 

I had a good zoomer at Hookipa but it was just one.  Big links are fun if it works, but the commitment has to be there.  That connection was half luck, half skill.

These clips are on the reef at Kanaha, way outside, skirting the reef.  Big drops can be mighty scary in a ski.  I fell in the gulch and it took me 4 tries to remount.  Not the best way to start a big, windy run.  In ski, if you don't feel on top of the conditions, it's better just to hang back and be safe.  Only when I'm really loose and fluid with good leg drive will I attack the big lefts with abandon.  Oh well, maybe next time.  Fun day.  Big bombs out there.       

http://youtu.be/dLmtdPxqv2g     

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 08, 2014, 08:46:11 AM
Wow, knowing how GoPro squash down those bombers, that looks like a big day. Glad to see you guys are getting some good stuff. It's been blowing like stink here in Hood River, making me even more nutty standing on the sidelines.

I've always wanted to do a Kaenae run. My neighbor, Will Mahin used to do them all the time on his F16. He considered Malikos to be too short. Kids and work have taken up a lot of his time, but he's one hell of a waterman. I'll probably do one with him next year, if only to check it off the bucket list.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 08, 2014, 12:02:25 PM
Finally the kind of day we dream about.  Two women stepped up the game off North Shore Maui and went around 20 miles.  They were smilin' at the finish.   And though they aren't old, these gals aren't young either... just hardcore and tuned in.

The bar level of DW paddling just keeps getting higher.

Sorry to tell you this Cove.


I was sorry to miss it yesterday but fatigue has made itself obvious on the last few runs. I'm hoping that not going yesterday will diminish my lack of balance issues that I've been struggling with the last couple of runs.

Conditions look promising for later on today and actually, all week. Like we talked about, the steady trades and long fetch are setting up some primo swell conditions. I'm very excited to go today. Wish there was a way I could get some decent pictures but I have never liked the way the gopro comes out. I may take it anyway though.

Pretty cool to have those gals out there stepping up the game. They're pretty inspiring, even if they do kick most of our asses on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 08, 2014, 11:40:46 PM
Wind backed off a bit Sunday, which was good for me.  I find it easier to see the path.  The big boat was really rolling along fine today, super fun surf on the swells. 

No fear of crashing like yesterday, so I was able to step on the gas all day.  Chopped 3 minutes off yesterday's time.  Strange how my perception of maliko can change.  Yesterday I was ready to quit the ski because it was so damn hard.  Today I want to get a V-14.  What a difference a day makes... 

Super blue water and skies.  Truly magnificent out there.

Cove got a nice outrigger.  If he backs off a bit (I warned him not to try and keep up with Kathy)  and learns to rest, he should break the hour this year.  He's going good on the standup.  When I switched to outrigger I had the hour in less than 10 runs.  And he's better than I was.  Ha ha, another one over to the dark side!  You're next up Southbay!  You guys are gonna suffer some serious brain damage on your first maliko.  I hope I'm around.   

http://youtu.be/8cwZ7ZpknnM
     



 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 09, 2014, 02:27:55 AM
Today's goal for me was not to fall. I agree with you LPB, when it gets full rock n roll, I have to back it off too. Today was near perfection for a nice smooth run. It wasn't my fastest run but I was pretty happy with how I paddled it. I did fall when RR caught me, on the last section before the harbor entrance. I got distracted and boofed but I gave myself a pass for making it nearly the entire way with full concentration. The water and sky were incredible out there today, the ocean was the most beautiful deep, dark blue. It is truly a blessing to be able to paddle here.

As much as I wanted to paddle the outrigger this morning and then do a Maliko on the standup in the afternoon, I took the morning off and reaped a much better Maliko run as a result. I can't wait until conditions are favorable for trying my first downwind run in the canoe. I'm hoping Southbay gets a boat soon, that is going to be great!

I know I'm pushing myself right up to my limits and it isn't because I'm trying to get faster or train hard. It is just so fun to paddle here, I really cannot get enough. But I'm hearing a voice in my head lately urging 'balance grasshoppah, balance.'
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 09, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
Adding outrigger to your standup is going to help in many ways.  Since we are both up in our 50's, I'm very sensitive to overtraining.  That's why I keep harping on you to slow down and take it easy.  You know your limits better than I do, so the advice is as much for me as to keep you on the water.

The great thing about boats is they reward patience.  "relax and keep the nose going downhill'  is going to take on a whole new meaning when you start downwinding in a boat.  Big fun, easy on the body.

When you sit low on the water and look for runs, your visual sense of the ocean will adjust in ways that cannot be taught.  That knowledge will transfer in a very positive way when you get back on standup.  You will see new paths - act on them - and they will work.  The new lines will be faster and easier.   

The short paddle is easier to keep vertical.  When you start to feel how effective a tiny pull at the proper moment is, your standup stroke will change.  It will be more efficient.  You will start to look more like Jeremy and Kathy on the water.  Paddle less, surf more.   Boats are really good at rewarding timing.  Your footwork will change to support the proper stroke.  I'm always telling standups to cross step more.  Some do, some don't.  You will.  Your footwork will change when you learn to fly the ama.

As time passes and you start to get comfy in the swells, you will see a huge variation of paddlers.  Faster standups, all sorts of outriggers.  Some young guys will pass you hammering downwind.  They can push right up to lactate threshold for the entire run, just ramming into everything.  You will also see old ladies and old guys dropping those meatheads - floating along, picking smarter lines.  Then you will see the best floating by effortlessly and wonder how they can do sub 50 malikos.  They will tell you the same thing.  'Relax and keep the nose going downhill.'

Here's a cool video of Jeremy laying down power with one foot in front of the other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSxrrIBZgI
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 09, 2014, 10:18:09 AM
Adding outrigger to your standup is going to help in many ways.  Since we are both up in our 50's, I'm very sensitive to overtraining.  That's why I keep harping on you to slow down and take it easy.  You know your limits better than I do, so the advice is as much for me as to keep you on the water.

The great thing about boats is they reward patience.  "relax and keep the nose going downhill'  is going to take on a whole new meaning when you start downwinding in a boat.  Big fun, easy on the body.

When you sit low on the water and look for runs, your visual sense of the ocean will adjust in ways that cannot be taught.  That knowledge will transfer in a very positive way when you get back on standup.  You will see new paths - act on them - and they will work.  The new lines will be faster and easier.   

The short paddle is easier to keep vertical.  When you start to feel how effective a tiny pull at the proper moment is, your standup stroke will change.  It will be more efficient.  You will start to look more like Jeremy and Kathy on the water.  Paddle less, surf more.   Boats are really good at rewarding timing.  Your footwork will change to support the proper stroke.  I'm always telling standups to cross step more.  Some do, some don't.  You will.  Your footwork will change when you learn to fly the ama.

As time passes and you start to get comfy in the swells, you will see a huge variation of paddlers.  Faster standups, all sorts of outriggers.  Some young guys will pass you hammering downwind.  They can push right up to lactate threshold for the entire run, just ramming into everything.  You will also see old ladies and old guys dropping those meatheads - floating along, picking smarter lines.  Then you will see the best floating by effortlessly and wonder how they can do sub 50 malikos.  They will tell you the same thing.  'Relax and keep the nose going downhill.'

Here's a cool video of Jeremy laying down power with one foot in front of the other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSxrrIBZgI
Great vid.  Don't normally enjoy this POV but with JR in action it was exciting. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 11, 2014, 01:44:53 AM
Wind was light at the start today but filled in about half way down the run.  I was inside when the wind started.  It was far too strong to allow me to escape to an outside line.  It was spooky - about .6 mi out from the airport.  Fear of getting tagged is a good motivator.  Most exciting run of the summer for me.  Super fun.  I was ready to run to the beach at the drop of a hat, but got lucky.   

http://youtu.be/o_qpTt1isdM
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 11, 2014, 08:14:50 AM
That's exactly what I don't like about running the middle slot at Kanaha. When things change--and they often do--you can be in the wrong place with nowhere to go except a spooky bailout over the reef. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up just thinking about it.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 11, 2014, 10:48:11 AM
Indeed.  And it's worse for you because you do it in the winter.  NW swells do some odd things in there. 

Here's my line from yesterday, the video was between the red lines.  The wind picked up just as I hit Spreck's.  I tried to get outside, made some progress then got pushed in.  Full concentration at the airport, listening for white water running me down.  When I saw that light aqua color and looked over at my distance to the sand all I could say was 'Oh hell.'  Lucky for me the ski kept moving.  Loss of hull speed and a spin is just brutal in there.  Far steeper than the video appears.

I worked hard and used every trick to try to work out after that video.  It's a very fast line, but still above my pay grade.  I'm lucky it wasn't any bigger.  Very fast run.

Kathy and Gregg were still jazzed from yesterday's no whitecap run and considered going in boats again.  I'm glad they asked my opinion, because I suggested they wait and get more comfy with their steering.  They will get tossed around eventually like I did in early days.  But it's easier to get going and avoid trouble when the foot steering and bracing is automatic. 

I practice diligently on the south shore to get ready for maliko.  I perch the boat on the crest of the wave and try to get bashed around.  Crazy sharp angles, just daring the ocean to roll me.  I would strongly recommend it to anyone new in a boat contemplating even a medium day at maliko.  It's the best way I've found to prep for the constant need to motor in oddball situations at maliko.  It's easy to remount on the south shore.   Gregg did a bike ride and Kathy did standup.  I had to dash afterward so didn't get to chat with her but I'm sure she surfed her brains out on the second half.  It was really good.

 (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/maliko6-10-14800x384_zps00feb350.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/maliko6-10-14800x384_zps00feb350.jpg.html)           
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 11, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
Wow, LPB, to me, that is really a spooky line. You were way in.

The reef does all kinds of weird things to the surface, even on days when it's primarily windswell. I've found the section between outer Sprecks down to just past Lower Kanaha to get steep and often sort of random. Waves seem to suddenly jack up from the north, even when the predominant pattern has been an easterly windswell. And I'm noticing this even on days that have little to no groundswell. I am probably overly cautious (chicken) because when I approach Camp 1, I am already scanning for any evidence of breaking waves ahead of me that are jacking up from the north. And, I often see stuff, even though on a day with little or no groundswell, you can likely get through unscathed because there isn't much power in the breaking waves. Still, I'd rather avoid breakers under any circumstances out there. I've found it can be a challenge to stay upright and moving fast over the reef on any given day, so I always treat that area with extra focus.

Going in the boat accentuates all of that even more. It's one thing to deal with some adverse conditions on a standup when you've got a lot of runs under your belt, but in a boat, when you have very shallow experience, I have to believe it's best to only bite off very small bits at a time. The other day, in the outrigger, I appreciated your direction and that we stayed in really deep water. I was actually a tiny bit nervous to be out so far but the approach into the harbor turned out to be fast and easy. That was a completely 'no drama' run and it's no wonder both Kathy and I finished it being so stoked. Given how mild a day it was, it was apparent to me that not only could you turn up the fun factor exponentially when the wind cranks up, you could also potentially get into fairly serious difficulty pretty quickly. I found the conditions pretty exciting and it wasn't even white capping! It is hard for me to imagine what the oc1 will be like when it starts getting bigger.

I'm really looking forward to gaining experience in my oc1 but I'm not in any hurry to push it. When you wipe out on a standup, as long as your leash holds and you don't hit anything on the way down, it's not a big deal to remount and go. That could be a lot different trying to deal with 20+feet of boat and ama catching wind and swell and moving in whatever direction the ocean decides. :o

I am really keen on getting in some south side runs and slowly working up to going in stronger wind conditions in the boat. I have finally gotten some confidence for running Maliko on my SUP. I don't see that happening with the oc1 for a very, very long time to come.

Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 13, 2014, 02:05:50 AM
Great conditions today, nice outside line just barely on the reef.  Big bombs and nice wind the whole way. 

Second clip is one mile out at the airport.  Shallow enough to twist me around on some steep drops.  I prefer the deeper water because it's more predictable.  Swells are taller on the reef but I don't go any faster on average when it's windy.  It's usually just a fast, barely controlled steep drop.  Then a big slowdown and careful recovery until the next big drop.  I'll figure out how to steer across them someday.     

http://youtu.be/dTtO_DQemCU
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: GingerRawrrgers on June 13, 2014, 10:16:58 AM

 ^ I'll just be over here living vicariously from rainy gloomy Seattle while stuck in my office. Thanks for sharing these, I can use the mental vacation. ;)
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 15, 2014, 01:06:51 AM
Glad you like them GR.  I make them as I do my yoga after.  It's always helped me to rewatch and try to re-live the run, looking for better ideas. 

Today was a blast.  Excellent current running all down Kanaha.  Inside line at .7 miles out at the airport.  Pier one snuck up on me.  I heard it coming and was glad I looked back.  Not a dangerous wave, but enough to knock me over for sure.  Barely made it.  I won't wear music for that reason.   Super fun day. 

http://youtu.be/wbMu8O14hxM
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: headmount on June 15, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
While LPB reports a good currrent, we launched much earlier when tide was much lower and current was notably against us.  Tide is a biggie especially around these full moons and especially June full moons.  Had late afternoon launches previous two days and it was absolute heaven.  A good run is like a surf session where all the elements add up or don't...  Been crankin' recently
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 15, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
LPB, you must be hearing the siren song on the inside these days! We have had some very east wind days lately and the northerly cant of the wind yesterday was a bit of a surprise for me. I was surfing right nearly the entire run just to stay on my line. Pretty fair sized windswell on the reef made for some exciting glides.

Looking at your video, you were further left at Pier 1 than I have ever been, that close in. Funny how steep and sometimes big it can get in there, sort of without much warning. Looks like you got yourself a nice exciting ride! I found a lot of rideable bumps out there yesterday but current seemed sticky to me from Kahaha on down. Probably just me getting worn down from too many days in a row. As a matter of fact, it's time to pack up for today's run! The wind is cranking again.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 16, 2014, 01:39:19 AM
Yes, Saturday was a fun one for me on the far inside.  I was ok all the way down the line, having a blast.  Only at the very end was I a bit too far inside.  The Sirens had me under their spell and almost got me.  Ha.   

Today certainly was a different day.  I made for the outside right away and stayed way out.  The extra wind made everything much bigger.   The last half was really cranking.  I could barely keep up with anything.  The swells had me on defense.  Every time I heard white water chasing me I pushed hard and went left.  It was always the right call.

The second clip is a bit longer than usual.  It shows how hard I worked to keep hull speed -  between the bombs.  They were big today.  The spooky thing about skis on a big day is that every big glide that can possibly be caught, needs to be charged.  It's the safest way to keep hull speed up.  The v-10 snacks on those drops and wants more.  I just didn't have the beans to go extra hard today.  Fell once, about middle kanaha.  Lucky for me I wasn't exhausted, so the remount was easy. 

http://youtu.be/NTs04nn2g6w   
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: covesurfer on June 16, 2014, 02:55:16 AM
Yes indeed, the last half of the run today was smokin'. The outer reef was allowing the big windswell to really jack and the glides were fast and somewhat hairy for me. There was a definite northerly aspect to the east windswell that was pushing me inside for the entire run. I kept surfing right, which was no biggie until I got by outer Sprecks. From there on, I found myself trying to go right on monster bombs that were bumpy, big and fast. Even though the waves were hitting at a pretty good angle from the right, they continued to open up as you'd surf them with troughs that allowed good progress straight down the line, even though the ocean really was trying to move you inside and left. But, as PB would say, it kind of looked like death and destruction when you'd take off on a big one. And there were mostly big ones.

I actually didn't fall on the entire second, bigger half of the run but I had already made up for that by taking 3 or 4 or maybe it was 5 ridiculous wipeouts on the top section that sapped my confidence and rhythm. I was frustrated with getting bucked off again and again. Then, somehow, I guess I found my happy place.

I was late getting out of the gulch, stopped to chat with Kelly for a couple of minutes and by the time I got launched, everybody was already outside! I have made the joke before but these downwinders are a lot like skiing on a powder day. Everybody is STOKED and they get on their boards and they're gone! No friends when it's windy I guess. Oh, and the other thing, nobody's racing. Right? Yeah, right.

I could see a lot of the guys up ahead and figured out who was who. I think I was so focused on trying to catch up at the top that it contributed to all my falls. By the last one, I decided that chasing was futile and I'd be a lot better off if I just concentrated on my run instead of everybody else. Maybe that's why I stopped falling... ::)

About a mile and a half from the harbor, I could see Headmount and Southbay up ahead of me, a bit to the inside. Then I lost Southbay, he was down up ahead, sitting on his board and there was someone else next to him. It looked like he'd collided with a windsurfer because there was a brightly colored sail laying in the water. I caught two huge monster glides and surfed (literally) right up to him. HM was on scene to my left. From far away, I thought either there'd been a near or actual collision or that SB had seen a friend and they were saying hello.

Once I got close though, it was obvious that SB was rescuing a woman windsurfer that had had her rig separate from her board. The board was long gone and the rig was not going to help them in this newly developing situation. It was pretty clear SB was going to paddle her in. We were out at least 3/4 of a mile and it was big wind and big, steep, breaking windswell. It was also clear that she needed to either de-rig her sail and get it tied up securely or jettison it altogether. She seemed too spent to de-rig and she didn't want to let the gear go but there were no options. The conditions were pushing all of us towards a critical point. Tick-tock. SB had to go and right now or it was potentially going to get worse than it already was. I gave my input and she didn't really respond. HM delivered the message with more certainty and she abandoned the rig, which promptly sank according to what SB told me later on.

He also told me that getting her in was extremely challenging but they made it, thanks to SB's patience, experience, strength and good ocean skills. Nice job SB, that gal was sure lucky you came along. Pretty nice to know you're paddling with someone that would put his own safety and gear at risk to help out somebody that is in trouble.

HM and I had made for the harbor and it was a wild trip in. Huge, steep waves all the way until the last few hundred yards when the ocean became a turbulent minefield of bouncy swells going about 5 or 8 different directions. The wind had really clocked around to the north and it was a fast paddle across the harbor. HM hit the road and found SB and the unfortunate, no make that the FORTUNATE boardsailor. HM got her back to her car and SB back to his, and everybody lived to go again another day. Overall, a good finish to what became kind of a dramatic afternoon. 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 16, 2014, 09:55:24 AM
Yikes, that was a big day to be rescuing people.  She's lucky the three of you are so experienced in big conditions.  As HM said in the other thread, she wasn't thinking clearly because she was scared or whatever.  No substitute for experience in those cases.  Glad it worked out ok.  Best to let that equipment go and get to dry land, that's for sure.   Now that she's been through it, next time she will think more clearly.

Here's my line from Saturday and Sunday.  Saturday was fun, perfect line for a relaxed and surfy run.  Sunday was all about survival.  The harbor mouth was psychotic.   Big rollers that had to be respected, with crazy random lefts and rights all over them.   Ski's are actually good in those conditions if you can get them moving.   But if you stop, it's over. 

That's why I keep harping on cove to learn to steer his outrigger before doing even a medium maliko.  You gotta paddle with authority and throw caution to the wind sometimes.  It's the safest way.  Kathy shrugs her shoulders when I tell her cove is in for a beating if he goes too early.  "It's a guy thing" she says, smiling.  I remember telling that story to Bill Foote,  "Bill, how do I convince beginner standups to beware maliko?"  His response was much more direct.  He'd cut me off mid sentence with "FUCK THEM,  KIDS WITH A STOVE.  YOU TELL THEM NOT TO AND THEY GET BURNED.  FUCK 'EM."  Bill is so cool.  I almost tore my ama off in early days, so I'm guilty as the next guy for not listening.  It's a guy thing. 

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj308/risley47/6-15-14800x421_zps50bed225.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/risley47/media/6-15-14800x421_zps50bed225.jpg.html) 
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: PonoBill on June 16, 2014, 11:01:15 AM
Yes, Mr. Bill is wise when it comes to that kind of stuff. You can't tell people much of anything. For the most part Maliko doesn't kill the people who aren't really ready for it, but they sure can have a lousy time. Doing ten miles on your knees thinking you're gonna die is not the world's best experience.

Your inside line makes my ears tingle. You and Victor can have that shit. That outer line makes me homesick for Maui. Of course I'd be sitting on the beach there too, so that doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: The smokin spring and summer Maliko report
Post by: Southbay on June 16, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
Both Friday and Sunday were truly Smokin'!  Yesterday's run was a blast.  Loaded up in the 1pm shuttle with Cove and LPB, Ralf, Bill and Livio.  R2 and HM were meeting us up at the top.  Like cove said, the van stopped and everyone darted for the water.  HM was out in the water already, and I was scrambling to see how long I could keep Livio in my sights.  Answer: maybe 10 minutes, and I am not sure if he was even trying.  Ralf was not far behind him, followed by R2 and Bill H.  Cove was chatting it up, and we bailed on him...it is an addiction after all. 

HM was on fire.  He was really connecting the bumps and looked cool and collected.  I was working hard to stay up with him and to the right.  Cove mentioned the day had a winter NW feel to it, and I could not agree more.  The regular footers seemed to be having no issu