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General => Training, Diet, and Fitness => Topic started by: Strand Leper on February 02, 2011, 02:54:49 PM
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Don't want to mess up the holiday diet thread with a four thousand post infomercial about the primal diet. See Marks Daily Apple.com.
Ordered the book awhile back. Read an article in Mens Journal last weekend on this same subject... then read the book.
The book is a little bit silly in some respects... but the science seemed to me to be very solid.
Now I am on the Primal diet and will share some quick easy recipes... and thoughts on the diet.
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Forgot to also ask fellow Zoners who are also on the Primal diet to share some recipes... quick easy snacks, and their experiences.
My first attempt at a Primal dinner was last night... after a long day... looked at the "approved" foods and my bags of food from Trader Joes and whipped up this... in five minutes:
Arugula and Spinach leaves tossed with dark sesame oil (a tea spoon) and evoo (two tea spoons), and regular pepper...
Added pumkin seeds, bay shrimp, and an avocado. Shook it up and ate it. MMMM good. Next time, gonna toast the pumpkin seeds.
Kept me quite full all night, so full that I did not eat breakfast, but instead ate some (organic) beef jerky and a Laramar bar on the way home from court for lunch.
Looking forward to trying to whip up a five minute wonder tonight... probably just going to go with Salmon in the same salad above... maybe go with pecans instead of pumpkin seeds... and a sweeter pepper to accent the sweetness of the pecan... and maybe throw on some bell peppers to contrast the sweetness... and maybe some roma tomatoes.
Tim
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I've been going out in the park and killing squirrels for dinner.
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Well, that's fine I guess... just make sure that you don't pair the squirrels with wild rice or a grain... maybe quinoa, but that's it... perhaps on a bed of spinach with butter... ?
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Just eat roadkill - easier than catching those feisty squirrels... Plus your meat is pre-tenderized!
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Two bags of asian-style frozen veggies (broccoli, snap peas, water chestnuts, ...), can of coconut milk, Tiger Thai Red Curry Paste, and chicken (or squirrel). Almost as yummy as the Thai restaurant (no rice though) and enough for two for several meals. Yum.
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Ewww... park fed squirrels diets are horrible they eat KFC and snickers bar wrappers...I prefer mountain fed squirrels that eat nuts and bark. yum.
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Chewing my finger nails is pretty primal....now I'll stop messing up your thread.
Tim,
If you have time, do you mind breaking down your take on the diet: what to eat, what to avoid, etc? I'm not going to buy the book, but am interested in the Primal concept...eat meat, veg..things that are alive..avoid processed?
*** EDIT: got off my lazy ass and found this: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/)
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I love squirrel-sauteed in baby seal oil with a nice side of spotted owl-endangered meat is so yummy!
Ok enough of that-my interest is now heavy-clicked on the daily apple thing-yeah. Interesting!
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Here is a BASIC list that I made when reading the book... Keep it on my IPAD for shopping
Diet
Energy Bars
Raw revolution
Cliff nectar
Larabar
Vegetables
Yams, sweet potatoes
Spinach arugula celery lettuce
Bright or leafy or green veggies
No beans ever
Fruit
Blu, black, raspberry, or any other berries... With heavy cream too...
Cherries
Prunes
Apples
Peaches
Pears
Figs
Kiwis
Grapefruit
Apricot
Snacks
Jerky
Turkey
Beef
Buffalo
Venison
Celery with
Almond butter
Cottage cheese. With nut or fruit topping
Cream cheese
Cottage cheese
With fruit or nuts or balsamic vinegar, olives
Dark chocolate, over 70 percent
Almonds, pecans, pumpkin, sesame
Trail mix
Canned tuna / sardines
Meals
Canned tuna or salmon
Grass fed, organic, line caught
Shell fish
Fats
Butter
Coconut oil
Olive oil
Dark sesame oil
Calcium
Raw, organic yogurt, cheese
Whole grain wild rice... And quinoa ...Acceptable grain in very limited quantities
Daily targets:
104 protein
75 carbs
148 fat
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A lot of times for dinner, I scramble eggs with a few of these things sauteed in olive oil (sometimes one or two of them, sometimes several):
--spinach
--onions
--green onions
--mushrooms
--peppers (green, yellow, red)
--zucchini
--asparagus
--broccoli
I usually add some parmesan or other cheese. Sometimes add lean hamburger or grilled chicken. The ingredients are all things that either keep for a long time, or come frozen (such as spinach, pepper strips, grilled chicken strips) so you can always have them available and just microwave them and add them in. Sometimes I add avocado or tomatoes.
Sometimes I make basically the same stuff, and add a bunch of butter, and dump it all over pasta. I know pasta isn't primal, but I call mine "pasta primalvera" so it's still OK.
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Roland,
To finish the thought... You are correct. Avoid the middle of the store and stick to the perimeter.
Meats/fish/eggs Organic, grass fed, line caught, good fats ( avo, walnuts, almonds, evoo, fish oil, coconut milk, macadamia nuts, coconut oil...)
Green and leafy or colorful veggies...
Fruit as a treat, and in limited quantities...
No grains, no beans, no refined sugars (including chocolate chip cookies F**K!)
No juices, sodas or diet sodas... Water when u r thirsty and unsweetened tea... Coffee in the morning and wine in the evening okay in moderation...
Limit energy bars to the above brands and use them... When you need... Energy... (I think I got the energy bars from the mens journal article... Another dude with a VERY similar diet philosophy).
The mens journal article had some good recipes... As does the website you mentioned.
Good eating!
Tim
That is a pretty basic run down of the ins and outs.
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Roland,
To finish the thought... You are correct. Avoid the middle of the store and stick to the perimeter.
Tim--thanks for the summary. Just remember to be cautious:
Perimeter of the store = vegetables, fruit, meat, dairy/eggs
Perimeter of the store also = beer, bakery, ice cream, cold soda pop, deli, ATM
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A lot of times for dinner, I scramble eggs with a few of these things sauteed in olive oil (sometimes one or two of them, sometimes several):
--spinach
--onions
--green onions
--mushrooms
--peppers (green, yellow, red)
--zucchini
--asparagus
--broccoli
You definitely want to think twice about cooking anything with olive oil. There is a reason COLD pressed olive oil is good for us, cause heat radically changes it and it becomes toxic in a sense.
Read this article
http://blisstree.com/eat/cooking-with-olive-oil-may-cause-cancer/ (http://blisstree.com/eat/cooking-with-olive-oil-may-cause-cancer/)
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Thanks Tim. Grocery shopping is easy for me, I pretty much do it for a living. Eating is my issue...and getting more exercise.
Vegetable shopping is always the sticky area when I'm shopping for home. We're pretty busy and I get a veggie-block when it comes to stuff outside of lettuce, potatoes, tomatoes & onions. About a year ago we signed up for organic home delivery with Farm Fresh To You (http://farmfreshtoyou.com). They deliver a box of veg, fruit or just veg, just fruit, etc., to your door for about what it cost to buy it at Whole Foods. It's been great. Now I eat kale and other stuff I just wouldn't have bought. We get a mixed box every two weeks of what ever is in season for about $32.50...at my door between 6am - 8am. You can even tell them not to include certain items (ie. potatoes). They include a newsletter with recipes for what's in your box to help if you don't cook. When we go on vacation, I just go online and click "don't deliver to xxx date". I think they might only be SoCal.
If you hate shopping or are really busy, check them out. If you use my wife's name and the ref# you'll save $5 off the first delivery: EVA BAKER REF#6140
I'll take a look at your list and see if I can't get things in gear. It's been tough.
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SEA is correct. Mark warns about cooking with olive oil... As in, DON'T... It's okay to throw it in to stir it around in your food, but not okay to use as your cooking oil.
Can't wait to get some of that Thai Paste...
Great ideas so far dudes. Keep em coming...
Made my own dessert last night... Organic yogurt and frozen blueberries.
I am a little concerned with the lack of dairy, as my body is used to LOTS of dairy... So I am trying to include "good" dairy every day.
Tim
Tim
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Tim-sounds a lot like the diet/lifestyle eating that my wife and i went on last year-super tough in the beginning-lost 12# in few months-felt fantastic!-why did i stop-dont have a good answer!
Really thinking about doing this again and try to make it stick-need to keep up with you-my wife-CD.
Good luck!
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SEA--thanks for that info about olive oil. I may switch to butter or another oil.
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Mark is pretty high on coconut oil... or just plain butter (for cooking)
Tim
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Tim
I saw cheese on the big list on the first page of this thread. Is it on this Paleo program? I thought all dairy was out.
Great point on cooking olive or any kind of oil. Rancid oils will take you down quicker than anything. I got in the habit when I was traveling in poorer areas of the world to always go back into the kitchen say a friendly hi to the cook and just take a huge whiff. You can smell rancid oil a mile away and you will never experience worse food poisoning than with bad oil. Cooked oils are the main problem with street food in third world and fast food here in the US. Taking personal control of what you eat is the most important thing that will come out of this food conciousness.
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Bill,
Dairy is very limited because of the natural sugar in milk and milk related products...
Hard cheeses are allowed becasue of the lack of sugar... but should not be consumed in great quantities.
Organic (unflavored) yogurt is also allowed in limited quantities, presumably for this same reason...
I didn't memorize the book however, just read it... so my explanations might not be pitch perfect and may overly (or incorrectly) simplify some very complex matters.
And I am going a little bit heavier on dairy than recommended (just a tiny bit) because I used to consume a LOT of dairy... and my system is getting some pretty different fuel right now!
I must admit, I am eating less, but feeling more full. Of course in any diet, completely eliminating refined sugars is going to have a positive effect... so any progress is magnified by the fact that I have eliminated junk entirely.
Lastly, he goes by the 80/20 percent... if you try to stick to the plan for 100 percent of your calories... but only achieve 80 percent, you are still winning big time.
I plan to invoke the twenty percent rule on Sunday as I consume a very large piece of pizza while watching the Packers beat the Steelers.
Tim
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Go Pack!
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One more quick thing... I really like all of the information available for free on the dude's web-site... so I bought some nutrition supplements from him as well... going to be taking those to make sure that in eating less I am not missing out on vital minerals or nutrients...
Out for now and back to work.
Tim
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Tim-sounds a lot like the diet/lifestyle eating that my wife and i went on last year-super tough in the beginning-lost 12# in few months-felt fantastic!-why did i stop-dont have a good answer!
Really thinking about doing this again and try to make it stick-need to keep up with you-my wife-CD.
Good luck!
We will NEVER be able to keep up with Infinity Team Rider C Dizzle* entirely... but maybe our superior nutrition will eventually wear down his sugar pop and licorice fueled energy bursts!
*Jon's son CD is now an Infinity Team Rider... CD knows his etiquette and gives waves to his elders... like me.
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haha!-well Tim i can see how the diet is affecting you mentally-haha that part about the pack beating the steelers!-oh man you are a funny man Tim!
Yeah CD is beyond stoked-Infinity is a great brand obviously and the SUPs are insane. Goes without saying Steve and Dave and Dan and Tommy are all great guys-looking forward to the journey!.
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JWCB nailed it!
I made something similar last night: bag of frozen peppers and onions, chicken (pre-cooked chunks from Trader Joes that I had used in salad earlier in the week), spicy Thai curry sauce, 1/4 can of coconut milk... served on a bed of raw spinach leaves (with a sprinkle of evoo and sesame oil and pepper), topped with a mix of chopped macadamia nuts and pistachios. Pinch of salt. Cooked and cleaned up in fifteen minutes total.
SOOOOO good. enough for three meals probably... and can serve it to the non-primal family members on a bed of rice!
Now I need to find a use for the balance of the coconut milk before it goes bad.
So full with one serving that I skipped my dessert... and had that for breakfast this morning:
1/2 cup of Organic plain yogurt, splash of coconut milk, 1/2 cup frozen blueberries, chopped up small square of 83% chocolate...
MMMMMM good!
I have to admit that I am cheating for lunch... bought the meal replacement powder and am using that (plus frozen berries) when I don't have time to make a quick salad. Pretty tasty and sort of filling... not like a big salad with a big chicken on it though. When you do the math... for economics, it beats the crap out of eating out for lunch... even at the deli.
Tim
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Help... What are you guys going primal doing for race fuel? I did a four hour surf this morning on my 8'3" by 27" ... To make sure that I had some fuel I ate a laramar bar (25 grams of carbs) for brekkie on the way down to the break, and drank sixteen ounces of teajava watered down to about 25%... before primal, I would have eaten a banana at 8... Was not sure what to do and just went without... Was more pooped than I should have been at the end as a result. Still ended the session with epic left that some Kim kardashian wannabe was gushing about when I came back up the beach... (so cal is kind of cool in that respect)... Still, any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Tim--if it was me, and I was going to be going out for four hours of activity, I'd try to get up early enough to have a full regular breakfast--an omelette or oatmeal with some banana and nuts, etc. The energy bar and tea or a banana isn't much--I need more than that just to sit at my desk for four hours.
I face the same thing with swim meets all the time. Warmups usually start at 8 AM, and I need at least an hour after eating to feel right swimming. That makes breakfast pretty early, esp. for meets that involve driving for an hour or two to get to them. If I don't eat enough, I feel fine for the first couple races, then crash after that. Better to feel a bit full at the start, and fine at the end.
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Yeah, if I got some Kim Kardashion wanna be gushing I would believe I had it all dialed in and just keep going. Don't change it, man, just keep it stoked.
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And then there's always Pop Tarts and chocolate milk.
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Yeah, if I got some Kim Kardashion wanna be gushing I would believe I had it all dialed in and just keep going. Don't change it, man, just keep it stoked.
Classic... There is a running trail right next to the break and all (most / some / a couple of) the hotties in the city of *** run this trail on Saturday mornings... It makes parking lot time a little more fun (this is not my regular spot but is my go to spot for a high tide combo swell with lots of NW in it).
Life is good... And it warmed up enough to trunk! Although had to do spring suit at dawn... 47 degree air...
Thanks for the feedback... Will do hardboiled eggs, jerky, and organic unflavored yogurt and berries tomorrow morning... An hour or so before the surf. Will report on any difference in energy level at hour three.
Tim
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I get up about 5:00 every morning. I generally cook breakfast, Diane is pretty pleased with that. I'm a good cook, I know most of the basic techniques. Make a mean omelet in the classic french manner. Mostly vegetable omlettes (broccoli, squash, pepper, asparagus all sauted with a tiny bit of chopped ham or Canadian bacon. Grated fresh Parmigiana. Berries and greek yogurt with roasted pecans. Lots of coffee.
If you want a really great bowl of oatmeal try this: peel and slice a granny smith apple thinly, saute it in butter and when it turns soft sprinkle cinnamon on it. Put it in the bottom of a bowl (one apple is enough for two) dump on the cooked oatmeal, add walnuts, yogurt, and a little bit of maple syrup. Like apple pie for breakfast.
I've spent some time on Mark Sisson's site. Pretty good stuff, he's got a huge community of people following his deal. It's very similar to how Tish Berman has me eating, only with a better marketing twist. I do admire good marketing.
I put Tish's fundamental diet stuff on the xtreme Geezer site (http://www.xgeez.com (http://www.xgeez.com)). It's in the magazine embedded into the home page. Scroll about halfway down and you'll see it stuck in there on the right side.
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Bill, Mmmmmmmmm on the oatmeal apple...
Went with some recipes from the mens journal article today...
Pan seared halibut with celery root puree and leaks (sauté),
And
Juniper berry and thyme pork chops over onions with sweet potato wedges... Well stocked for the week's eating...
Watched the super bowl with family and cooked... A great afternoon
Wife loved them both (small portions)... I added a squeeze of lime to the halibut and chopped macadamia nuts to the celery root puree....
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4 raw eggs a day keeps the bugs away,Beef,Chicken and Turkey. The key is to always eat fresh. Eat nothing from a bag or a box. Why? All poisoned by the touch of man and its not caveman. Number one rule to follow is keep things basic and simplified its the road to longevity. Once you find what works stick with it don't change just because someone else lost more weight on another diet plan. Nine out of ten times that person will gain twice the weight he originally started at. Tried and true and I saw it to many times.SOS
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say, here's a question:
how much do you guys drink? me, well, i kind of like a half a bottle of red in an evening, more or less, but i don't think it's doing my gut any good.
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say, here's a question:
how much do you guys drink? me, well, i kind of like a half a bottle of red in an evening, more or less, but i don't think it's doing my gut any good.
IMHO you should be seeking total body healing. Not justifying a specific amount of alcohol to consume. In all honesty going primal they had no wine in existence. So I don't honestly think there should be a correct answer to your question and if someone does answer your question there full of shit.
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There's documented reports of animals in the wild getting buzzed on fermented fruit - you can't get much more primal than that!
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=animals-like-to-get-drunk
And to answer linter - an occasional craft beer with dinner amounting to < 6 pack a month. But after a race whatever cheap beer I can get my hands on! That habit started with (foot) road races but converted nicely to SUP races.
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let's not get carried away here, fella. ;D 'correct answer'? what the heck does that even mean in the context of the question i asked? :o
anyway, for various reasons, at one pt i didn't drink for 19 years. now i do. i can go either way, i'm just going this way right now and so far so good -- well, except for the wee gut thing :'(.
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Linter,
Usually a few glasses of red a week. With dinner on the weekend. By a few I mean one glass with each dinner on Sat and Sun. Sometimes less, rarely more. Love red wine, don't like being buzzed... I travel a bit for work and people make bad decisions when buzzed and traveling alone, if you know what I mean... So, unless i am at a place with a renowned cellar, I abstain except for the weekend dinner wine.
Tin
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Sitting in the basement courtroom of the Lassen County Court House, waiting for the trial of the century to begin... :).
Planning a valentines day primal dinner for the wife and I...
Menu so far: macadamia nut encrusted pan seared mahi mahi, sweet potato puree (with coconut milk and almond butter instead of cream and butter) with cocoa nibs... (like an almond joy with sweet potatoes), citrus asparagus spears grilled, (a lime base, marinated)... salad will be arugula, toasted sesame seed pomegranate, and feta with mini heirloom tomatoes... With a dressing of rice wine vinegar and evoo (with a tiny bit of dark sesame oil)...
It will be accompanied by a Sauvignon blanc (heavy on apricots and citrus). Just need to find the right label for that one... Some good Aussie SB's with citrus and apricot base.
After I refine the recipes, I will post them here.
Tim
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say, here's a question:
how much do you guys drink? me, well, i kind of like a half a bottle of red in an evening, more or less, but i don't think it's doing my gut any good.
IMHO you should be seeking total body healing. Not justifying a specific amount of alcohol to consume. In all honesty going primal they had no wine in existence. So I don't honestly think there should be a correct answer to your question and if someone does answer your question there full of shit.
I love beer and I love really good wine. For me the answer is really simple--quality trumps quantity. Give yourself a financial budget for wine and focus on good to great. One bottle of Far Niente Chardonnay equals five bottles of ordinary (but probably very tasty) but it's a wonderful experience in the right setting vs. something you automatically drink.
Beer is a little more problematic. I just have to not buy much. Good craft beers are just not that expensive. And I know what you mean about cheap beer after a race. The MCKC always has beer I would turn my nose up at any other time, and I swell down at least three. Tastes fabulous.
As far as no wine in existence goes, probably not so. Evidence of alcohol as far back as anyone can find artifacts--give how spotty the evidence is the prevalence of vessels to make alcohol is telling--we've always liked the stuff. One of the most obvious evolutionary changes in homo sapiens is how alcohol is metabolized. There are a large number of Asians who metabolize alcohol differently than the rest of our species. Takes a VERY long time for something like that to happen.
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Sorry if I touched a nerve with you wine fanatics. I just thought you fellows was getting serious about a healthy life style. Some of us just more fanatics with our health and natural food healing than others. I guess some guys don't practice what they preach as often as they should and do it more part time than a full time gig. Sad but true.
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It's called balance, Ninja. I try not to preach anything, I don't know enough, and I have a hard enough time keeping my own shit together without telling someone else what to do.
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Tim: pretty please invite me over to your house for Valentine's dinner, okay? and, lucky you, i'll be staying in marina del ray that particular night and would love to drop by. what's your address? 7 good? :D
bill: i hear you about quality over quantity; however, as God designed me, i have developed a love of and taste for $16-a-5L-box red wine. yeah, yeah, i know, but what can i do?
btw / does anybody know if the paleo diet is the same as the primal diet?
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Tim: pretty please invite me over to your house for Valentine's dinner, okay? and, lucky you, i'll be staying in marina del ray that particular night and would love to drop by. what's your address? 7 good? :D
bill: i hear you about quality over quantity; however, as God designed me, i have developed a love of and taste for $16-a-5L-box red wine. yeah, yeah, i know, but what can i do?
btw / does anybody know if the paleo diet is the same as the primal diet?
They all share the same basic fundamentals and all refer back to the caveman type of diet. Every so often another new found person comes along and gives.it a new found fancy short name for cave man diet. When it's not new or fresh. It's been here for ages as long as the cave man.lol no real science behind it just some real life basic fundamentals in real food that works if you practice it and except it as a lifestyle change not a diet. When you start referring to it as a diet that how short term it becomes. Diet Is a short word that is short lived with no real success behind it. Eat to live not eat with restrictions.
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The interesting thing to me about the drinking question is how just mentioning alcohol brings up strong feelings about its role in a healthy diet (that's diet in the general sense, not in the weight-loss sense).
There's no scientific consensus about it being bad in moderation. If anything, I've read more lately about it being good in moderation. But even if you throw out all the science, there are tens of millions of healthy people who, for instance, drink wine every day. There are extremely healthy people who drink alcohol regularly not just because they enjoy it, but because they believe it is part of a healthy diet.
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It all depends on your definition of what healthy is ?? Don't know to many healthy 65 year olds that drink any amount. In time Iit WILL catch up with you . There is much evidence that people who don't drink and live a healthy life style are much more active , mobile and HEALTHY than ones who add alcohol to their nutrition. Yes when your 40 or fifty you can get by and seem healthy while still drinking alcohol, but I guarantee you the guy who has been eating a paleo diet and not drinking for the last 30 years is going to be more healthy than the drinker who eats "healthy". Alcohol does effect your body much more negativley than it does positively. It's common sense.
If you are eating primal or the paleo way , any form of simple carbs are a nightmare and detrimental to the effect you are trying to achieve (health wise) , so if your going to be drinking any amount of alcohol (which your body converts to sugar and spikes your insulin level) then you guys might as well give up the whole paleo or primal way of eating cause you are not going to achieve the results or gain the health benefits from eating this way.
Remember they key to this way of eating is cutting out ALL simple and complex carbs from beans, legumes, whole grains or oatmeal and simple carbs like flour, rice , bread or even alcohol which is a major CARB.
you just want your carbs from vegetables once in awhile a little fruit and nuts and seeds. thats it.
You guys are defeating the purpose of this way of eating , when you drink alcohol period.
With that said drink and be merry but don't expect the same health benefits as the guy who chooses to not drink and follows this way of eating and living. How do I know? Cause I enjoyed a beverage of my choice for over 20 years and now I have not had a drink in 10 years and feel incredibly more healthy than I have been in the last 30 years. I have been eating this primal or Paleo way for 7 months and am stronger and in better health than I have been in the last 20 years so I know it works. But it won't work when you mix alcohol in with this "diet"that is a fact.
If you are committed to being in the best shape of your life and want to have more energy than you ever have and paddle farther and faster than ever before, and want to be "healthy" when your 60, 65 or 70 then quit drinking alcohol .
If you want mediocre results with this plan and continue on with the aches and pains of getting older , then continue on with the wine or beer. it's pretty simple.
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This is the guy I want to be like when I grow up :)
The World's Healthiest 75-Year-Old Man
http://www.esquire.com/features/don-wildman-0508 (http://www.esquire.com/features/don-wildman-0508)
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SEA--I'm not convinced it's that simple.
Personally, I drink almost nothing--maybe a drink or two per year. But when I lived in Italy, almost every adult drank wine at every dinner. Other European countries are similar, and probably have been for centuries. I lived for a summer in a town where the 70- and 80-year olds were extremely fit, doing full-time farming, walking miles every day up and down the road into their hilltown. There's always the possibility they would have been even healthier without wine, but even if that were true they nevertheless were quite healthy as it was.
Another related thing--I'm really sold on the benefits of the paleo/primal diet, and I believe you were one of the first to post about it months ago in a very convincing way. But at the same time, I'm not convinced that there aren't very healthy diets (again, I'm talking lifelong diets versus short, weight-loss diets) that differ in some ways from the primal diet. And the more general lesson to me is that there can be great variation in diets that are very healthy, and the variations are not just at a micro level.
The reason I'm not convinced is that diet varies so much from culture to culture. Mediterranean eating habits are much different than Japanese ones, in types of food, meal habits, etc. yet there are millions of people in both regions who are healthy and even extremely healthy by any measurement. I'm sure the healthy diets do share many characteristics of the primal diet, but not all characteristics.
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Don't know to many healthy 65 year olds that drink any amount.
So it looks like I've got to quit my beer in two years
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Glad to hear you're doing well with the eating changes Tim...I have never felt better in my life, Keep it simple and the stress involved around food disappears with time.
As far as what to eat for fuel, so far i have not worried about that at all since i am not doing any endurance work. Sometime I'll go surfing on a empty stomach sometimes I eat something before heading out the door but usually i just eat if "actually" hungry and many times a week i do Intermittent Fasting.
Day before yesterday as an example, i had "break fast" at 7:30am (last meal was at 9pm the night before) and went to train a client, came home at 11 am, grabbed the board and went to the beach, paddled until around 5:30pm then went home and had dinner at 7pm.
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Don't know to many healthy 65 year olds that drink any amount.
So it looks like I've got to quit my beer in two years
Yes, but until then, the question isn't "How are you getting Primal", it's "How are you getting Primo?" ;D
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It all depends on your definition of what healthy is ?? Don't know to many healthy 65 year olds that drink any amount. In
Then you just live in the wrong place. Spend some time in any of the Mediterranean countries. Most people there drink at about a bottle of wine per day. They are extraordinarily healthy. meaning, lean, fit, with healthy immune systems. They live long lives and drink far more than fat, unfit, sick Americans do.
People will grab onto the flimsiest evidence that supports their views and treat it as gospel. No one really knows the consequences of long term diets, there is far too much genetic variation and far too many variables for a rational study. We will never know exactly how all this stuff works. It's all a guess.
Personally, I limit my intake of alcohol, but my aim is not to have the longest possible life I could have--if it were then my best bet would be near starvation. My aim is to have a great life that's full of all the things that make life worth living. That includes the pleasure of sharing a beer or a bottle of good wine with friends. Or to sit down at a great meal with friends or family and enjoy myself without considering theoretical health effects.
I'd just as soon my life seem too short because it was fun, than it seem infinitely long because it isn't.
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Speaking of different diets, Herschel Walker eats bread and salad. There's always the chance he could do better with a different diet, but it seems to work for him:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/11/herschel.fitness.martial.arts/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/11/herschel.fitness.martial.arts/index.html)
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I agree with you that in other countries the people are healthy but are you equating their health to drinking wine? I believe it's like PDXmike said their lifestyle is much different , like example given of 80 year olds walking and farming plays a role. But you have to take a huge factor into consideration. Most countries you are talking about do not pasteurize their milk and therefore are reaping all the benefits of the natural enzymes and minerals that RAW milk of a cow or goat will supply. Also they eat more raw vegetables and fruit than us that has not been sprayed with pesticides. I believe their food is much more safe and much more natural than here in America, where we allow aspartame in almost all foods and where it is banned in most European countries.
Europe does not allow American beef into europe because of all the Bovine growth hormones and antibiotics they feed the cows here, which is not allowed in Europe. They also don't fluoridate their water or use chlorine . The list goes on and on.
So when we say people in france eat cheese and drink wine and look how healthy they , therefore we should can eat t cheese and drink wine also and be healthy is very misleading. There are so many variables but the pureness of a societies food will play a HUGE role in how healthy they are.
That said , All I was trying to say was that this LIFESTYLE called the Paleo way of eating is not a "Diet " for me , it is a way of life and the longer I apply it to my way of eating the more leaner, stronger i get and the more "Healthier" I feel. All I'm saying is that in this thread which was about Primal eating , is you will not reap the maximum health benefits nor see the most increase in strength or energy if you add alcohol to this way of eating.
MOst definitely there are many ways to eat and achieve good health, I know cause I've tried MANY. And yes you can have a glass of wine or a beer with the many types of "diets" but with this particular way of living it won't work that well. In my opinion I have never seen these kinds of results so quickly and I am NEVER hungry. Now that my body's insulin levels are back to normal I don't have ANY craving for sugar , bread or the likes.
Good luck in your quest for GOOD HEALTH !!
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I'm sure you know that a lot of diets are converging on the same place: limit or eliminate grains and starches, eat a lot of vegetables, meat is OK but don't go crazy. Healthy fats are fine in moderation. Take it easy on the fruit.
That's what I've been doing for the last three months. I feel great. I'm losing weight slowly but getting stronger fast. I do limit how much I drink, but mostly because I don't feel great the next day. Not a hangover, just not as healthy feeling.
I don't say that Americans should take on a Mediterranean diet, all I said is that there are a lot of variables, and if you haven't seen hyper-healthy 65 year olds that drink a lot of wine then you haven't spent much time in Italy or France.
We agree more than we disagree, but while I'm typing this there's a nice glass of St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel next to me, and my late lunch today (just finished) was smoked salmon with a little fresh mozzarella, capers and home grown basil, and a big fat beefsteak tomato made into Caprese salad with fresh mozzarella, basil, and a drizzle of olive oil and Balsamic Vinegar. Primal--not so much, delicious and healthy, you bet.
If I had one of my great cuban cigars with me, I'd probably smoke it because I'm just so fricken content.
People are sick and fat because they eat 1.5 meals per day at McDonalds and never get their fat asses out of the car. What we're doing, by comparison (even in the spectrum between you and me), is healthy beyond belief even if we slip the reins a bit. Maybe BECAUSE we slip the reins a bit. But we damned sure don't go to Burger King to slip them.
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Amen Bill
I sure do miss a good Cuban. But like you I felt awful the next day after a few. This led me to quitting. It's not for everyone but I don't miss it especially when I'm paddling up wind in 15 to 20 mph winds. I sure enjoy paddling and have to admit paddling is what got me to really take my health and training seriously. When you are 2 or 3 miles out in the ocean and it's 20 mph with a rough ocean you need to be able to count on yourself no one else. I'll be 50 in June and I have had Major shoulder surgery and elbow. It took 3 years out of my life and health and If it weren't for my doctor recommending standup paddling for rehab of my shoulder I don't know where i'd be (health wise) . I just want to be doing down wind runs when I'm 75 with my grand kids :)) How cool will that be.
I also agree with you Bill, who wants to live a long boring life not me. I want to live a LONG Healthy exciting life . Being seriously active well into my seventies and at 50 It's time for me to be serious about that goal.
Glad you are hanging in there with your new lifestyle changes and I hope you continue to keep getting stronger and leaner it will only help the paddling. It sure has helped me to shed about a bag of rice of my body. Paddling is so much easier and my balance has improved.
Hope one day we can do a run together Bill.
Aloha
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BALANCE...
Hey Linter,
7 is great. If the guard says that you are not on the list, challenge him to settle it like a man... He likes that. :)
Good eating,
Tim
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:D
fortunately i won't have my porsche 912e w/ me or it'd take me 2 days to get from marina del ray to dana pt .... :D
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Don't know to many healthy 65 year olds that drink any amount.
My great grandfather made it to 101. He had a shot every night after dinner (sometimes two). Walked the beach for miles through his late 90's. Eggs every morning. Thin, active and laughed a lot (more after the shots).
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BALANCE...
Hey Linter,
7 is great. If the guard says that you are not on the list, challenge him to settle it like a man... He likes that. :)
Good eating,
Tim
Tim failed to mention that his new guard gate guy is actually Herschel Walker- i tried to get in the other night-uh no....
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I'd just as soon my life seem too short because it was fun, than it seem infinitely long because it isn't.
Bingo.
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... but if Linter brings Statham with him... then it could get interesting...
(but with two people in the 912, you may never be able to get up the hill into Dana Point)... ;)
Tim
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For those who want to get even more PRIMAL. I strongly suggest ZERO carbs you want to feel the effects of going primal give it a try a couple of days. The results is amazing. The key here is to see if you can truly strive without the sugar. Benefit is smooth consistent energy that is through the roof. This is not for you alcohol drinkers cause apparently you can't live without a drink and the sugars alone in alcohol is way greater than primal type of foods. A lot of people can challenge themselves with training anybody can do that. Try ZERO carbs see if you are hardcore Primal.
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i agree Ninja-went Raw for about 2 months-cold turkey-no sugar-nothing processed-almost carb free except sugar in fruits-veggies. No bread whatsoever-ate sprouted grains only-fish-chicken-tons of Vita-Mix blended veggies. No alcohol.
First week was really hard!-headaches-bitchy-the whole 9 yards-next week it mellowed-by the third week i was ok and was feeling this weird Buzz sensation whenever i would down a big veggie juice!-Wow!-had never felt anything like it.
I actually am not a proponent of zero carbs-just limit them to natural ones found in veggies-sprouted grains etc..
Think i will do this again soon.. getting inspired again by the thread and the dude on the daily apple site!
I have huge respect for those that are doing this-it is not easy-i need more self discipline!!!
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I'm starting to get the feeling you don't like alcohol, SUP Ninja. :o
Seriously, though, what would a zero-carb diet consist of - pretty much meat and fish and eggs and maybe some dairy?
BTW, I currently have no interest in being "hardcore primal" - I am just trying to take some steps to improve my diet and fitness while still enjoying the occasional non-primal meal/snack/drink/...
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I'm starting to get the feeling you don't like alcohol, SUP Ninja. :o
Seriously, though, what would a zero-carb diet consist of - pretty much meat and fish and eggs and maybe some dairy?
BTW, I currently have no interest in being "hardcore primal" - I am just trying to take some steps to improve my diet and fitness while still enjoying the occasional non-primal meal/snack/drink/...
Braddah don't like Alchohol you got that right. My Dad is an Alcholic and if you ever experience that crap they you know where I stand with alcohol. Second. I come from from a family with a history of allergies,asthma, and diabetes. So my answer to this questions is pure personal and dare to be different from others. My kids were born with allergies and asthma but after living and practicing metabolic typing they have had next to zero encounters of asthma and allergies.
to answer your second question the best way I can from personal experience is to consume majority of your foods from Proteins and good fats. They will keep your mind and body fulfilled and satisfied with all the right needs to get your body from relying on sugar. This is not something for every one and its not something to jump in head first. What I meant by being hardcore primal is once your body transitions from relying on sugar as a specific need it relies on burning your excess body fat as energy. So if there is ZeRO carb intake then there's less the body needs to proccess causing the body to respond quicker and more efficiently.
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I'm going full primal "bacon & chicharrones only". Hopefully I won't go full cardiac arrest. Will report back..or not.
I did buy the Primal book today, dropped a load at Trader Joes and Whole Foods. Most of the stuff is what I eat anyway, I just need to cut the carb/grain/bean aspect of my eating. Also, need to stop "stress eating". I'll be back to the weigh in next week - must refocus.
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SUP NINJA, much respect to your feelings about alcohol - my family background doesn't cause me to have the same feelings, but it is good to hear some of the strong feelings you and others have regarding making our bodies healthier. Maybe I'll give the no-or-very-low-carb thing a try from time-to-time and maybe I'll try skipping my evening red wine more often.
As to the original topic, my quick-and-easy post-session meal was guacamole (one avodado, lime juice, chopped jalapenos), 3 slices of turkey lunch meat (no antibiotics...), and a side of kimchi. Mmmm...
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I'm going full primal "bacon & chicharrones only". Hopefully I won't go full cardiac arrest. Will report back..or not.
I did buy the Primal book today, dropped a load at Trader Joes and Whole Foods. Most of the stuff is what I eat anyway, I just need to cut the carb/grain/bean aspect of my eating. Also, need to stop "stress eating". I'll be back to the weigh in next week - must refocus.
If you don't show up next week... you are gonna get called out brudda Roland! ;)
Tim
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I'm going full primal "bacon & chicharrones only". Hopefully I won't go full cardiac arrest. Will report back..or not.
I did buy the Primal book today, dropped a load at Trader Joes and Whole Foods. Most of the stuff is what I eat anyway, I just need to cut the carb/grain/bean aspect of my eating. Also, need to stop "stress eating". I'll be back to the weigh in next week - must refocus.
Youre a wildman Roland!
Is that Chicharones with the Hair or no hair!? :o
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Come on, everybody knows hair is loaded with carbs! Check out how primal I got this afternoon with my eggs. I still feel full.
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My god, you laid all of those. Looks like work.
I borrowed Mark Raaphorst new Bullet today--gorgeous thing. Paddled it against a slight headwind wind about four miles, then four back, Then noticed the surf looked okay and the wind was staying down, so I surfed for about three hours. Then had a big slab of Ono over cabbage slaw. Pork tenderloin and roasted sweet potato and carrots for dinner. Feeling kind of primal.
Ever since I quit eating grains and starches my energy level is pretty great. Only problem is that I'm really good at baking bread. Some friends are coming and they want me to bake some. Hard to resist when you've stood around in a kitchen full of the scent or fresh baked bread.
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Ok I recently tried PWF(post-workout fast) from Mark'sdailyapple blog. Amazing results down 2lbs overnight and down total of 3lbs in 2 days. So after being successful with that I decided to go right into an IF(intermittent fast). Excited to see tomorrow morning if it will effect my weight at all. I will say this with over 20 years of my own personal training and nutrition I would never ever think of missing a post workout meal. This was a first for me ever and the results is outstanding even my kids was in shock I wasn't eating dinner. Overall I had no hunger pains throughout the night and I slept very good and awoke with not even being one bit hungry. I was in awe. Breakfast was a tablespoon of raw honey and 1/2 a teaspoon coconut oil. It's almost lunch and I feel great the mind is still mentally focused and my body is not craving any food. Can you say Primal Ninja.ALRIGHT!
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You da man Ninja.
For the morning dawn patrol, did a laramar bar and 25 percent teajava... Then at 9, took a wave in and powered a primal shake... (fluid and protein and fat and blueberries)... Felt awesome for the next hour and a half... So awesome that trunked it.
Mix water and protein powder with half cup of frozen berries at home... Shake well... Put in backpack... Surf for three hours, shake again, drink... Surf for three more hours...
The solution to long workouts while living primal (for me).
When I am a basses like Ninja, I will try the full on fast post workout... Maybe if i get desperate to make my number at the end...
Still have the frozen home made chipwiches in the freezer for so cal and I after one of us
Meets our goal... Not sure that I am going to want to eat that point, however...
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Nice Tim!
Dude i dont deserve a chipwich at this point- i am sucking on this diet/lifestyle right now!
Still 175-had a good sesh with the whole fam at Sano-unreal weather right now!
But i still want that Chipwich!
Hey lets get together and sesh soon i still have your book and leash!
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Unreal indeed... Except for the howling offshore that froze my hands before sunrise... As soon as the sun hit the water, it was all good...
We'll surf soon... I still have your QB care pack courtesy on Jimmy T!
Tim
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Yeah I broke down and bought gloves recently just for that reason.
Keep posting your primal stuff. I'm getting inspired!
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Shakes. I know, not very primal to be eating a shake full of powdered crap... but the reality is that it makes for an awesome, quick and satisfying meal replacement. I have been using "Primal Fuel" chocolate, adding frozen berries and a touch of coconut milk. It is basically my crutch to make sure that I don't over eat at lunch, or to get me through the evening without a dinner if I am not sure that I have room for a meal...
I forgot my "Primal Fuel" at secret location X, to which I will not be returning until Friday evening.
Picked up some Met Rx low carb protein (meal replacement) mix at Trader Joes... (only 24 bucks for 30 day supply!!!) not much fat in it so I threw in an egg and a tablespoon of whole coconut milk along with raspberries and a touch of almond butter.
Seemed to work pretty well last night... 46 grams of protein... as intended 200 calories... as I made it, probably 350- 400 calories... still full from drinking it this morning.
Needed something to get me over the hump, and so I can comfortably fast until a client dinner tonight in the Bay Area. So far so good.
Are any other folks using over the counter mixes like this? What brands, what results?
Thanks,
Tim
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Jay Robb's Vanilla Egg White Protein Power - the bomb! Don't bother with chocolate, most are just nasty. JR's vanilla added to a smoothie of pineapple, banana, blueberrys can't be beat. A shake of the powder and cold water by itself is great tasting and perfect for the road. Just pickup one of the hand shakers at the Vitamin Shoppe. Try it, you won't be disappointed.
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SL,
I was a big fan/user of protein shakes until I found NUTS to be of greater value. It held me up longer,easier to carry around and not to mention less messy. The best thing I found about the nuts my energy levels lasted a lot more longer and the ability to stay focus was even more noticeable versus protein shakes.
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Ninja,
Very good point on the nuts. I think that I went with the shake option because of the idea (mistaken, perhaps) that the shakes will give me more complete nutrition... especially as my body is adjusting to the new method of being fueled. What do y'all thing?
By the way, my first FULL ON "I am a wuss and have no self control" cheat happened Sunday evening at the gas station... alone... the dreaded peanut M&M's at the check out counter... the small bag... but still... AND they didn't even taste that good. Okay, they were kind of good...
Toughest part so far? No diet Coke or Coke Zero ... water and green tea instead... and a little tiny bit of morning java. (one small cup).
Lastly, the Valentines Day dinner that I cooked rocked the house! I even took a picture... one day, when the Samsung help desk actually picks up my call... I will figure out how to sync my phone...
If anyone wants the recipes, let me know... don't want to clog the thread.
Tim
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Tim, did you read the post about the artificial sweeteners at MDA? Might be enough to help you cut off the diet coke...here at home we started using Pelegrino water (i like the size of the bubbles better, very small) but now switched to Whole foods brand sparkling water, just the same as Pelegrino but cheaper.
As far as shakes, i do not use anything, if you want to try something else, you can mix cocoa powder, ground coconut, almond meal which is just ground almonds and coconut oil, mix it all and for into little balls.
You can add raisins or other chopped nuts. Once you get the consistency right, changing the recipe is easy...they are very easy to carry and if you want you don't even need to leave the water to eat them... :-)
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Marcelo,
Interesting on the balls...
I have gone cold turkey on the cokes... They still call my name however.
How far in advance can you make those balls? Can u post a pic?
How about basic proportions...
Thx for EVERYTHING marcelo.
Thx,
Tim
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I don't know how long they will last, usually they do not last long with me :-)
the proportions i don't have since i do it by taste, the almond meal and coconut oil and ground act as a binder and the rest is "flavor" i usually mix things up until i'm able to form a ball, the ground coconut can make thing very crumbly though.
I'll see if i can fins a recipe and post it for you...Oh yeah, one more thing, the longer you stick to the diet the less appetizing things we used to ear (sweets, bread etc) will taste.
The other day i wanted to eat bread so i bought the closest thing we can find to brazilian bread (french bread) and i could actually taste the dough flavor...
http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/03/recipe-caveman-bnbs-banana-nut-bites/ (http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/03/recipe-caveman-bnbs-banana-nut-bites/)
http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/02/recipe-dinosaur-droppings-primal-fudge-balls/ (http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/02/recipe-dinosaur-droppings-primal-fudge-balls/)
http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/01/recipe-sog-bars/ (http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/01/recipe-sog-bars/)
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cocoa-and-coconut-snacks/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cocoa-and-coconut-snacks/)
Here is some info to give you an idea and start experimenting, i did not follwed any of these and just made my own balls.
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Tim, the coconut balls are awesome and pretty easy to make. If you buy them...farmers markets/raw food stores, they can be pretty expensive due mostly to coconut oil & labor. They should have a decent shelf life since you keep them refrigerated.
M&M's - don't do it!! I provide endless M&M's to people at work (craft service). If you could only see the amount of wax that builds up on the inside of my jars you would stop eating them. My wife was an M&M addict until I showed her. The ingredients are bad enough, but most of us accept that when we eat them, but wax - no thanks.
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I knew a guy who loved M&Ms until one day when he went to his grandma's house, and he saw some peanuts in a dish in the living room, so he grabbed a couple but they were awful. He said, "Grandma, you should throw these peanuts out--they're awful! All stale and mushy!"
She said, "Those aren't peanuts, they're Peanut M&Ms. I couldn't find my dentures this week, so I had to just suck the chocolate off".
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Marcelo,
Thx bro.
Mike,
Swing and a miss... :)
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Ro,
Wax?
Diet Coke is the devil. Oh, and I miss him so!
Tim
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Shiny candies are coated with a wax to make them look good. It build up in my M&M jars like candle wax. Nuff said. :-). Agree 100% on diet coke. After water, it's the 2nd most popular drink on our sets. At least they are honest in the labelling DIEt coke.
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Ok I been in ketosis for the past week and the results been amazing. Ketosis= ZERO carbs for those who don't know. So my wife decides to follow my venture and in just little less than 7 days she drops 9 lbs with no exercise all PRIMAL. Mark'sdailyapple been great tool for my already arsenal of bag of tricks. So far I went 150 percent on the primal blue print with food intake and slow down on the physical training to 55-70 bpm. It's been unbelievable no hunger pains and no sugar cravings whatsoever no bullshit. When I looked back at my training program it was my training that was making me more hungry and crave more sugar=more stored bodyfat. Now 150 percent on track. Can you say PRIMAL NINJA. Yeah baby.
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Shakes. I know, not very primal to be eating a shake full of powdered crap... but the reality is that it makes for an awesome, quick and satisfying meal replacement. I have been using "Primal Fuel" chocolate, adding frozen berries and a touch of coconut milk. It is basically my crutch to make sure that I don't over eat at lunch, or to get me through the evening without a dinner if I am not sure that I have room for a meal...
I forgot my "Primal Fuel" at secret location X, to which I will not be returning until Friday evening.
Picked up some Met Rx low carb protein (meal replacement) mix at Trader Joes... (only 24 bucks for 30 day supply!!!) not much fat in it so I threw in an egg and a tablespoon of whole coconut milk along with raspberries and a touch of almond butter.
Seemed to work pretty well last night... 46 grams of protein... as intended 200 calories... as I made it, probably 350- 400 calories... still full from drinking it this morning.
Needed something to get me over the hump, and so I can comfortably fast until a client dinner tonight in the Bay Area. So far so good.
Are any other folks using over the counter mixes like this? What brands, what results?
Thanks,
Tim
Tim
I have been eating this way (primal) for about 8 months now (seriously for about 4). I drink a shake at least 2 to 3 times a day. I use unsweetened almond milk about 6 oz , 2 raw eggs one table spoon coconut oil and unflavored whey protein no sweeteners of any kind added. I use Stevia in the Raw for a sweetener, it tastes nothing like Stevia: for those of you who have tried stevia it leaves an awful after taste. you can buy it at Safeway.
Here is the web site for Stevia extract in the raw. http://www.steviaextractintheraw.com/Our-Products.aspx (http://www.steviaextractintheraw.com/Our-Products.aspx)
Check out What Mark Sisson of Primal Blueprint has to say about Stevia.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/stevia/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/stevia/)
As for having shakes during the day . I don't see anything wrong with it. I started at about 218 LB and am down to 188 and went from a size 37 to about a tad shy of a 34 . I drink 2 to 3 a day I have more energy than I have had in the last 15 years (I'll be 50 in June) I still eat my nuts and seeds , however I had to play around with my amount of calories I was eating until I had optimal energy but still continued to lose fat and gain muscle. I don't count calories but am aware what I am taking in. (I know what works for me)
So as long as the whey protein does not contain sucralose or equal or any of the sweeteners on the market and you use unsweetened rice milk or almond milk you will be fine. Raw eggs are as primal as you can get and are probably hands down one of the best forms of protein and energy your body can get. Free range cage free are the best for you. Here is the link where I buy bulk whey Protein Natural (unflavored) . All of the flavored proteins like chocolate and vanilla have sucralose in them and are not good for your health. So only get the unflavored. You can not beat this guys prices for whey protein.
https://www.buybulkwhey.com/ (https://www.buybulkwhey.com/)
As far as Artifical sweetners goes especially Aspartame which is in over 10,000 food products here in the USA , Like ..... Diet sodas. IT IS A NIGHTMARE !!! It actually makes you gain more weight and crave carbs even more. It causes cancer of the brain and causes strokes and is HIGHLY addictive and toxic. Here is a great Video on Aspartame and how it was approved by the FDA. Once you watch this you'll never eat or drink anything with Aspartame or MSG again. USE STEVIA IN THE RAW !!!
Aloha Tim
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6551291488524526735# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6551291488524526735#)
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SEA,
Great info! Gonna checkmate Met Rx for artificial sweets... Didn't even think of it... If fakensugar, will be tossing.
Gonna try to make the balls this weekend... Then check out this shake recipe.
Thanks for the long and thoughtful post!
Tim
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All folks who still read this really fantastic (IMHO) thread... this is getting wierd.
Another really interesting thing... now that I have eliminated... YES eliminated... grains from the diet... and only eat protein, good fat, green and brightly colored leafy sh*t, ... (and the daily crutch of a dark chocolate square at night)...
I just don't eat that much... and I am not that hungry... had the below stir fry last night... a good weigh in this morning... and I won't be hungry until noon or so... just migh try to fast through to the morning for kicks... (and to juice the Friday weigh in and put pressure on my goal for next week)...
The big dinner that I cook for the family on Sunday evening (even just one entree) lasts pretty much through the week for me ... maybe one Thai stir fry mid week to get through the rest of the week... (last night was scallops saute'd in lime and butter... and I added water chestnuts, almonds and three eggs to my earlier recipe... it will be enough for three meals). The only reason that I cooked the scallops last night is that I thawed them and forgot about a big client dinner on Tuesday... didn't want to waste them... and quite frankly one of my funky shakes would have satisfied me more than likely.
Another success story was the client dinner at this cool steakhouse (Alexanders)... No bread for me... and I just went for a bit of heavy creme brule for dessert. I was not shy with the main course, or the appetizers... but it was all protein and I had a good weigh in the following morning.
Keep going Primal,
Tim
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Tim,
Sounds like you are starting to feel the physical healing of going Primal. What you have described of not having an appetite or craving sugar becomes natural and not so much a challenge anymore. Speaking of which I find it less of a challenge going into an IF or PWF since I am not that hungry anyways. Sounds like you are ready to do a Post workout fast. The benefits of the PWOF or IF is crazy. I posted a link below that is one of my favorites. It's for all you guys that is still juggling it around to go primal. You will never reap the the true benefits if you are still making excuses.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/get-real-achieve-your-health-goals-lose-weight-get-ripped-stay- (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/get-real-achieve-your-health-goals-lose-weight-get-ripped-stay-)
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Ninja,
You totally inspired me... gonna try a fast until the a.m.
It will be a 32 hour fast... we will see how it goes.
For the post workout fast... how long do you fast, generally? Don't want to stack fasts, so I will probably pass on the post surf fast on Saturday morning... but generally, what do you do?
Thanks for the encouragement.
Tim
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SL,
What I have been doing on my lift something heavy days which is usually in the evenings. Consume a your usual Primal BP lunch and or a protein shake before your actual exercise whatever it will be and after the workout consume nothing what so ever except water. I do it in the last part off my day because it's easier to fast throughout the night and the body gets a nice full glass off rest and recovery causing the HGH levels to naturally takes it's course. This is the kicker that you wil find amazing pay attention to your body you will see a bit of physical change in just one PWOF. No bs what I usually see in 6 months of training on body composition I see in less than 2 intermittent fast. That's less than 10 days. Real food,real results in less the time frame. Good luck and live PRIMAL it's effective,it's real and it's simple.
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Not gonna lie... getting a little hungry... but gonna stick it out... until the a.m... then have a shake... or maybe some eggs and bacon. ;)
Tim
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Nice talking to you today, Tim. Thanks again for the help.
I have been on the Primal Blueprint for about two weeks now. I've gone from #195 to #185 without even trying! Also, I've been working out less. Just go walking with the dogs most days and several sup surfing sessions 2/3x's per week. A couple of short (2/3 miles) runs, and heavy weight workouts (20mins long).
My energy level is awesome, and I haven't had an upset stomach since I started. So far, this is working out great for me. By the way, I had been #195 for about four months. Prior to that, I was #214 for three years.
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Heres an awesome Primal snack to satisfy those sweet tooths , And it's SUPER GOOD for you, and simple to make, YEAH !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqc9FjjI4p0&feature=player_embedded#at=33 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqc9FjjI4p0&feature=player_embedded#at=33)
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If you want to bake and not even worry about carbs you can use Almond flour or meal. You can make muffins, cakes and Pancakes. I'm not sure but a lot of recipes call for Honey. I think honey can spike your insulin so I'm looking into alternatives. I know home made apple sauce (just pureed apples) can make what you are baking moister and then just add a little extra Stevia in the Raw. Gotta play around with the recipes. My wife will be experimenting this weekend will get back to you guys on how it tastes.
Here is some info:
Almond Flour or Meal: How to Use it and Where to Get Ithttp://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/products/p/almondmeal.htm
Also some cool salad dressings for the Primal Salad.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/10-delicious-diy-salad-dressings/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/10-delicious-diy-salad-dressings/)
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Last night: shaved fennel, diced tomato, chicken breast, big bunch of chopped chard, diced butternut squash, thyme & rosemary, bit of veg stock and butter - throw it all in a cast iron cooker and into the over for 1h -1:15 @ 350 degrees. Man it was awesome. So much flavor, so little fuss.
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SEA (and H20 and everyone else before)--thanks for posting all the recipes and info. It's all really helpful (other than maybe that the Primal Nutella one is making me hungry!
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Bought some unsweetened Almond milk and some stevia in the raw...OMG, the best tasting stuff EVER... Okay, not that good... But pretty darn good.
Gonna make a home made protein shake tomorrow.
Thanks SEA!
Tim
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Easy, obvious on the go snack... Took old Mac nut jar... Filled with macadamia, pecans, almonds, and pistachios... Screw on lid, stick in glove box... Break open in case of emergency... Or put one in carry on for long days traveling... (shake mix measured into glad baggies for brekkie and lunch).
Seemed obvious, but thought I would share... Might save an accidental mcdonalds binge.
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Hey Tim
That Stevia in the raw is pretty good stuff?? Did you buy the cup for cup baking bag or in the pre packaged packets ?? I use it to marinate Kalbi Ribs. Some low sodium soy sauce about 2 cups and one cup of stevia a lot of crushed Garlic , dice up some ginger root and add a little sesame oil then add some crushed chili peppers and heat it all up for a few minutes. Let it cool down.
Put the ribs in a gallon zip lock bag and pour in the sauce. Let it sit 24 hours and BBQ that bad boy....... It tastes awesome and NOOOO CARBS !!!
Our Costco here on Oahu sells unsweetened Almond milk 6 cartons for about 8 dollars. Definitely needs a couple tablespoons of Stevia in the Raw with the shakes but it tastes GOOD !!
We buy the raw walnuts from Costco as well those are a good snack anytime. Also loving Avacados..... good source of fats and protein as well .
Keep it up Tim it gets even better as time goes by. energy level is through the roof.
Aloha
Scott
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Got the packets... That's all the store had... Good call on the almond milk in bulk, how long does it last? Gonna use the prepackaged shakes for travel and car emergency stash... And the home made shakes for home. Gonna go to the hippie market to get the bulk stevia (it'd) ...
Great call on the ribs... That will be next weekend's Sunday dinner ... With grilled citrus asparagus...
SEA, keep those recipes coming!
Gonna make some protein balls tomorrow afternoon and freeze them...
Making some fresh pasta for the fam, with some unreal sauce... I will have my sauce on raw spinach...
Mmmm mmm good.
Gonna do a post surf fast tomorrow until dinner...
Peace out brother cavemen,
Tim
Thanks,
Tim
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Tim
How often do you do the post workout fast ?. And what are you noticing when you do them ?? I've only done one but I plan to do a couple a week at least. I noticed I had a lot more energy.
Here is a good breakfast recipe you can alter by putting small diced steak or diced sausage in it.
Omelet Muffins.
This easy and clever variation of a regular old omelet can be made in batches of a half-dozen or more and eaten throughout the week. Amy’s muffins, made almost entirely from eggs, are little powerhouses of protein, fat, nutrients and flavor. Mixing in a little water and mayonnaise keeps the eggs fluffy and moist while they bake.
Other than that, what you mix in for added flavor is up to you. Anything you love adding to an omelet—diced vegetables, meat, and some cheese if you’re so inclined—you can add to this recipe to create your own personal
omelet muffin.
DIRECTIONS
Preheat oven to 350°F. Generously grease 6 muffin tins with butter or coconut oil or for easier removal line with paper baking cups. The baking cups also help the muffins hold their shape. In a bowl, beat the eggs. Add meat, vegetables, salt, ground pepper, and any other ingredients and stir to combine.
Spoon or scoop into the muffin cups. Bake for 18–20 minutes until a knife inserted into the center of an muffin/
omelet comes out almost clean. The omelets will continue to cook for a minute or two after removed from the
oven. Remove the omelets from the muffin cups and serve, or cool completely and store for another day.
INGREDIENTS
▪ 6 eggs
▪ 1/4 – 1/2 cup cooked meat, cut or crumbled into small
pieces
▪ 1/2 cup diced vegetables
▪ 1/4 tsp salt
▪ 1/8 tsp ground pepper
▪ 1/8 cup mayonnaise
▪ 1/8 cup water
▪ Optional Ingredient Idea: Make a Mexican Omelet Muffin
by adding onions, and lightly
drained salsa to the eggs
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If you want a really great bowl of oatmeal try this: peel and slice a granny smith apple thinly, saute it in butter and when it turns soft sprinkle cinnamon on it. Put it in the bottom of a bowl (one apple is enough for two) dump on the cooked oatmeal, add walnuts, yogurt, and a little bit of maple syrup. Like apple pie for breakfast.
We tried this today--it's great.
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so NOT PRIMAL !! LOADED WITH CARBS, good if you like spiking your insulin levels and training your body to store fat.
I'm sure it tastes good though.
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L-Arganine is the hottest amino topic around, for the moment. Arginine is added to many supplements for its amazing nitrogen retention ability. Nitrogen as you are all aware is one of the key elements in muscle protein synthesis.
Some plants can absorb nitrogen, but we mammals have to make do with the stuff we make ourselves. Arginine is mostly present in protanines and histones, two proteins commonly associated with nucleic acids (like DNA and RNA). So far, its main use was for newborns to excite new growth, because at a young age its difficult to manufacture enough.
It enhances the immune system, and stimulates the size and activity of the thymus gland (responsible for the famous "T-cells"), which makes it a prime choice for anyone in a condition that is less than optimal for health, such as people recovering from injury and HIV patients.
The hormonal release properties include releasing insulin from the pancreas and a massive stimulator in the manufacture of GH from the anterior pituitary. But for GH, the metabolite arginine pyroglutamate because it passes the brain-blood barrier more easily.
It also improves the health of the liver, skin and connective tissues and may lower cholesterol.But mostly it facilitates muscle mass gain while limiting fat storage, because it keeps fat alive in the system and uses it. It's key in weight control.
Do not stack arginine with lysine because they compete for absorption.
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Sorry last post never post completely this is the first part.
These are two Amino Acids you should consider taking especially for a low carb lifestyle. especially when we are in the loosing fat gaining muscle stage of Primal eating and training. This is taken from a body building web site however it pertains to a Primal lifestyle. I have been taking both Glutamine (about 20 gr a day) and supplements with L-Arganine in it. for about 4 months now and it works. when you read what they do you will see why it's essential for a person who is trying to lose fat and gain muscle especially those over 40 years young (IMHO).
Glutamine
is a non-essential amino acid that is present in the body in large amounts. At some times it forms 60 percent of your total amino acid pool. Because it passes through the blood-brain barrier rather easily it's often called brain-food.
It may aid memory recall and concentration. In the brain it converts to glutamic acid, which is essential for brain functioning and increase GABA (gamma-amino-butyric-acid, another popular supplemented amino) needed or mental activities. It is used in synthesis of muscle-tissue.
We all know we need nitrogen to get big, but too much nitrogen in the body could cause ammonia in the brain. Glutamine helps to get rid of it by attaching itself to the nitrogen and forming glutamic acid, then escorts it out of the body. Glutamine is also one of the main building blocks in the genetic coding.
It is found in several strands of DNA and RNA, more than other amino's. And most important perhaps is that it balances the acid/alkaline level, so it reduces lactic acid.
It decreases the cravings for sweets which can be of use on a diet, and a metabolite of glutamine called Monosodium Glutamine (MSG).
Glutamine has the downside of being more readily used as fuel for energy than some simple carbs. It is one of the preferred fuels of the intestines for example and a good source of energy throughout the body. So chances are more glutamine will not even be used for what you supplement it for. The body just doesn't use what it already has.
So, is glutamine a bad supplement? No. It's one of the best supplements currently on the market, but there is no way in hell you need to supplement with L-glutamine in a bulking phase. You should have plenty.
I asked some sources who could know (and don't have a vested interest in the stuff) and they said, and I quote: "In the presence of good health, supplementation is not necessary." That, my friends, is fact.
So, why bother? Well, In a dieting phase you will be lowering your carbs, and if you are cutting up for competition your carb intake will be so low you are in danger of using hard earned muscle-protein as fuel for your body. And what did I say is the preferred fuel of most tissues: glutamine.
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If you want a really great bowl of oatmeal try this: peel and slice a granny smith apple thinly, saute it in butter and when it turns soft sprinkle cinnamon on it. Put it in the bottom of a bowl (one apple is enough for two) dump on the cooked oatmeal, add walnuts, yogurt, and a little bit of maple syrup. Like apple pie for breakfast.
We tried this today--it's great.
Yep gave up oatmeal and brown rice about almost year now. It was making crave more sugar throughout the day and put on some fat thick body fat right in the gut area where it likes to cling on.
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If you want a really great bowl of oatmeal try this: peel and slice a granny smith apple thinly, saute it in butter and when it turns soft sprinkle cinnamon on it. Put it in the bottom of a bowl (one apple is enough for two) dump on the cooked oatmeal, add walnuts, yogurt, and a little bit of maple syrup. Like apple pie for breakfast.
We tried this today--it's great.
Yep gave up oatmeal and brown rice about almost year now. It was making crave more sugar throughout the day and put on some fat thick body fat right in the gut area where it likes to cling on.
Lucky for me I don't have that problem. Last night we had fettucini with tomato sauce with all kinds of vegetables in it, and lots of parmesan cheese. It was great, too. Fettucini, then watching "Bullitt"--if anyone wants to see a great, no-frills, no-gimmicks, car chase scene--it has a great one.
The fettucini wasn't primal, but I think the car chase probably qualified.
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Thanks to SEA, made a super power primal shake...
Scoop pure whey protein, egg, coconut mil, almond milk, almonds, walnuts, pistachios, blackberries, dark chocolate square, bit of evoo... Piece of ice... Put in magic bullet... The perfect sized blender to make sure not to over eat on the shakes...
Sooo tasty!
Protein balls tomorrow... Gotta find the virgin coconut oil.
Had to break the post workout fast to take the wife to lunch... Went with two mahi mahi tacos and just dumped everything out of the tortillas... Chased it with a handful of almonds to get the fat...
Nice quick and pretty healthy rubios low carb lunch.
Now, an amazing sunset...
Out,
Tim
Tim
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Tim
Those shakes are the best for a pre and post workouts and for whenever your flying out the door . Virgin Coconut oil , best price ever and fast delivery. go to www.nutiva.com (http://www.nutiva.com)
they sell coconut oil in gallon containers . I buy 4 gallons in a case for about 220 dollars and shipping is free to Hawaii !! They are based in Cali so you should get it in a few days. They also sell Hemp seed in 5 lb bags that is super good form of fats and carbs and tastes so god on salads. I just put a handfull in a cup and eat it while I'm driving to the beach. I go through about a gallon of coconut oil every month and a half. I use about 4 tablespoons a day and my wife uses 3 tablespoons and thats all we cook with now. So buying by the gallon is way cheap.
Ok here is the coconut oil web page at Nutiva. It says they are sold out of gallon containers and even the 5 gallon container. But I have Never seen them out of product. I'm sure it's temporary so you can call or check back soon.
https://store.nutiva.com/coconut-oil/ (https://store.nutiva.com/coconut-oil/)
I'm going to try the primal balls this week.
Aloha
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so NOT PRIMAL !! LOADED WITH CARBS, good if you like spiking your insulin levels and training your body to store fat.
I'm sure it tastes good though.
SEA--it was good, and we actually skipped the maple syrup and yogurt. But your omelet muffins and protein shakes sound good too--going to try those next.
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I do a couple of meals a week when I eat whatever I feel like. I'm sure it's not optimal, but I took years to get fat, I don't mind extending my time to get fit a little. I'm adding intermittent fasts to the mix.
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Primal blueprint 101
Here is enough information to keep you learning for A WHILE. definitely will give you a good grasp on doing this right. Lots of good ideas
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/)
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Need a non-sugar loaded desert alternative? "Ricotta Delight" is an old South Beach Diet recipe that is worth a spot in the kitchen. Simple and you can modify it many ways to suit your taste buds. I don't measure many recipes, but you should be able to figure this out:
Ricotta Cheese
Dark Coco powder
Sweetener to taste (Stevia, Agave, etc)
...for more "yum" add a pinch of ground espresso
Regarding energy bars, the Larabar bars are hit and miss. Peanut Butter Cookie is pretty tasty, but peanuts technically are off the Primal list. I don't follow any religion, so I'm still eating them. Same goes for Peanut Butter Chocolate Chip. Apple Pie also gets high marks. Cashew Cookie, save your $1.50 or just flush that thing down the toilet...nasty.
Looking forward to seeing if what I'm doing works for the next weigh in.
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Roland,
I am trying to work my way off of the bars as a crutch and just go nuts, jerky, celery and the occasional cheese cube for my snacks. Funny that you say that as I just finished a Laramar bar to get me through to the evening... a few too many carbs and my favorite flavor... Chewy Cashew... ;)
Didn't get to make the balls cuz my coconut was gross and moldy on the inside... (insert joke from PDX here) ... next weekend.
Tim
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Who should and shouldn't Intermittent fast ??
Great article by Mark at marks daily apple blog.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/who-should-and-shouldnt-try-fasting/#more-19814 (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/who-should-and-shouldnt-try-fasting/#more-19814)
You will be suprised what he says !!
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http://theleansaloon.com/ (http://theleansaloon.com/)
This dude has a different view of fasting...also, scroll down to the post about the fattest place on earth....scary how modern life can "destroy" a nation.
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Good link marcelo... Similar to what I have been doing most days... Bcz im just not hungry in the a.m.... Not going as long as that dude though!
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JUst made my primal balls... Oh my they are good and filling...
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Fairly primal hamburgers for dinner... Grass fed sirloin with an egg on top... saute'ed (and raw) Mayan onions, sliced organic tomatoes, dill pickle spears, mustard, mayo, all on top of iceberg lettuce.
Tasty!
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Around these parts they call that Loco Moco but it's smothered in gravy... which has flour and oh well.
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LocoMoco, hit's you like a ton of bricks but it freaking rocks! After a surf session it is only second to spam musubi from the corner store...any corner! ;D
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Mmmmm gravy... Hit the Kings game last night with clients... did the VIP green room thing with the included dinner... went with the meatballs on top of lettuce. Worked out nicely. By the way, the scantily clad young ladies that skate on the ice during time stoppages to clear up loose ice... surprisingly poised and conversational. Got to get THOSE pictures uploaded... Even in a room of perving old dudes...
Tim
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I feel like crap after breaking the streak and hitting some carb-o-licious items over the last few days. Beer was good last night, but I'm paying for it today.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/paleo-diet-meet-caveman-dieters/story?id=13030483 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/paleo-diet-meet-caveman-dieters/story?id=13030483)
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Ro,
The beer wasnt THAT good... was it???
Did the midweek progress check weigh in this morning... and Bill should be listening for footsteps... 186.7....
Out cavelicious ones.
Tim
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One of these days I will do a primal fast without announcing it on the Zone... but it is so much easier having laid it out there... so that I am held accountable by anyone who might care to read one of my posts... so here it goes.
Had a crazy eighteen hour day yesterday with a very light shake for dinner around 7:00. Had a few too many nuts yesterday as I was stuck in traffic for five hours... (got to move my emergency nut pack from the center console to a rear storage area). So I think that it is a good time for a day long fast. Oh, and there is a weigh in tomorrow... and I really want to catch Bill.
So I am going to give it a go... and try and fast all day and either eat tonight... or if I am feeling super good tonight, go all of the way through until the morning.
Might do a race on Saturday. There are no waves forecast... That will be kind of funny. I think it is an eight miler or so... not sure. Then again, might just break out the 9'5" cruiser and go wave hunting.
Wish me luck on the fast!
Thanks,
Tim
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Perhaps this is the wrong thread. But Tim had a link to a guy who promoted one day fasts, one or two times a week. I suddenly remembered that I had done this type of fasting when I was 16. My best friend's father was a Navy pilot like my Dad. His Dad was shot down that year (66) and was a POW in Hanoi. The big concern back then was to not forget about these guys that were in this dire situation and we decided to fast once a week to forge our devotion to him. At that time I had no knowledge of diet or nutrition. Our fast was solely inspirational. But when I thought about one day fasts after reading that link, I remembered how great I felt, the level of appreciation about everything, and the clarity during a what was a chaotic time for me (probably for every 16 yr old). 24 hours seemed like a big deal at 16 but now it's just a blink. I'm glad I was reminded of this moderate form of fasting.
My brother became a fanatic about fasting and I got into longer fasts with him in the late 60s and early 70s (155 during those years) but I finally found longer fasts too extreme for my tastes. 3 days was kinda of cool and we could even surf on the third day no problem. But then 10 became strange and it was almost hard to start eating again. I felt a preoccupation with food was a result. I started a family and stopped but my brother continued and it was eventually his undoing with 43 days to end on his 43 rd B-day in 1989. He died the day he planned to stop.
So for many emotional reasons I pushed fasting out of my mind. I had the sudden realization during this recent one day fast that I spent from 1990 to 2007, when I had my A-fib wake up call, overeating for my brother's memory. 17 yrs of gluttony. Glad that's over. Thanks for the link Tim. Aloha Bill
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My bad... that link was provided by Kneecap.... wow what an avatar, like breaking kneecaps? A collector? ANyway thanks for that link. I'm sure you have a real name. Mine is Bill
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Head,
Some seriously heavy and inspirational stuff there. Bill, Thanks for your sacrifice as a military family and as a POW family... And as to your dad, wow...
Wussed out last night at hour 24... Should have stuck it out, but made a power shake to get through the evening. Next time maybe I need to look to some of my friends and their family's experiences for inspiration.
Thanks for sharing. No really.
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It was my friend's Dad who was shot down, not mine. My Dad had just exceeded the age to fly and was stationed at the Pentagon where he was in charge of the AWACS program, which would hopefully result in fewer pilots shot down. Every pilot shot down was a big deal for all of us and I guess it was like a large extended Navy family to some extent but especially so when it was my best friend's Dad.
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I highly recommend drinking water with chlorophyll (a few drops ... it's only slightly green) a few times during a fast. It's like grease to keep all the old stuff flowing out as the intake stops.
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Good call Headmount-Chlorophyll is great for you-also Agave is great too!
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Also Panini juice. Mana Foods sells it. I used to make it myself when I lived in Kula and it was all around me. (labor intensive with the fiberglass like fuzzies on the skin) Panini s the fruit of the flat plated cactus plant. The ripe fruit is both green or purple. It probably grows in SoCal. Great stuff like agave. You could live well just eating it.
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I am truly sorry to hear about your brother Bill. That is sad. I know people who fast way to long and for the wrong reasons. However they are finding out that an 18 hour fast every now and then helps your body in more ways than I knew.
here is an article about it. For those on primal way of eating and living I'd shy away from the Carb Refeeding he talks about in this article. However the part about 18 hour fasts is Good Info. The shorter post workut fasts have been very good and helped me get over a fat loss hump and has helped me with my energy levels. maybe doing one a week.
http://www.leangains.com/2010/06/intermittent-fasting-and-stubborn-body.html (http://www.leangains.com/2010/06/intermittent-fasting-and-stubborn-body.html)
I fast for about 5 to 6 days once every year as a way to cleanse myself and help keep my stomach and colon working at optimal levels , and to help flush my system ( drink as much as I can handle : water mixed with lemon, honey and chili pepper) . I drink 32 oz of water with a tablespoon of Hawaiian sea salt. It basically is a reverse enema. Within 15 minutes after drinking salt water I am flushing my system clean. It pushes everything out. After a few days you will see all the mucus that lines your stomach and colon coming out. This mucus is what prevents your stomach and colon walls from absorbing the nutrients, minerals and vitamins your body needs. You can be eating very healthy foods and taking good vitamins and mineral supplements but if your pluming is coated with this mucus (WE ALL HAVE IT) you will not be operating at peak efficency and wasting a lot of money eating right. Some times it takes 5 or 6 days for the mucus to exit your system. If your real toxic it can be weeks. The good part about the salt water flush is it only lasts from 30 minutes to an hour and then your done, so it does not interrupt your day that much. If you can't handle drinking 32 ounces of water with salt you can mix the tablespoon of salt with a big glass of water maybe 10 oz and drink it over a half hour period and as you do drink regular water in between. Main thing you drink about 32 ounces of water total (including salt water mix). Use distilled water for best results.
Keep the testimonies coming and thanks for sharing your story Bill. Thank you very much.
Aloha
Scotty
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This one is just a teaser I found browsing around at nutsonline. For you cavemen who love chocolate and nuts. I don't know anybody who don't like chocolate.
http://www.nutsonline.com/nuts/almonds/organic-cocoa-dusted.htm (http://www.nutsonline.com/nuts/almonds/organic-cocoa-dusted.htm)
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Thanks Scotty. I did a few of those salt water cleanses a long time ago. Thanks for reminding me. This is my second one day fast in the last two weeks and it seems to be working pretty well for me. Going to stay on this program with the Panini juice and chlorophyl (separate times). They ride perfectly in my system.
SUP Ninja, Your site didn't pull up when I clicked on it. What was the gist of what they were saying about nuts?
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Here's a quick & easy flourless chocolate "cake" recipe for those of you who need a desert option: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Flourless-Chocolate-Cake-14478 (http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Flourless-Chocolate-Cake-14478)
Made it last night and it is actually pretty tasty. Not really a cake, but somewhere between a brownie and a cake.
Here's a couple more site to check out. I only have them bookmarked to read this week:
http://robbwolf.com/ (http://robbwolf.com/)
http://whole9life.com/ (http://whole9life.com/) (there's also the whole 30)
I'm off to my first crossfit class in an hour. Not looking forward to the following morning soreness!
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Primal Salad for lunch at the office... made it in five minutes while my wife was making coffee at home this morning:
Grab leftover chicken leg and thigh. Put in zip lock baggie.
Grab handfull of spinach leaves... put in glad container.
Pour in cherry totomatoes. Take half avocado from weekend... slice into container.
Splash in some Balsamic... splash in some EVOO... pinch salt. Pinch pepper. Squeeze of lemon in case salad has to sit for two days (dont like brown avocado)... Shake. Put in office fridge.
Nuke chicken at the office. Plop on top of salad. Eat.
Rub hands on pants.
Done.
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I tough about starting another thread but decided to keep this one going...these pics are from roughly 3 and 6 months into primal eating and exercising.
Which one is 3 and which is 6 is up to you to decided. ;D
Proof is in the pudding and the pudding used to be in the belly!
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy37/tobima/DSC01504.jpg)
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy37/tobima/DSC00574.jpg)
Edited to adjust pic size.
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Marcelo
That is impressive!!!
I started the PB 1 month ago 2/16 at 325lb and in one month I'm down to 305lbs.
I feel better than ever. No bloating not hungry and plenty of energy!!!
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FF, stick to it and don't rush, i am now loosing an average of 1# or less a week and it feels good, no stress and no feeling of "I'm on a diet".
Normally we do not gain 20-30# in 30 days and i don't understand why we think it's ok/healthy to loose it in that time frame.
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I know it's green and gooey but I've been adding spirulina to my smoothies and am noting an extra boost in energy on my runs. I think it's about as primal as food gets, maybe not in this current sense but in the evolutionary sense. And talk about greasing the system! Works like draino.
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Bill,
So, the "spirulina" is "gooey" and giving you an "extra burst in your runs" ...
Hmmmm.
My shakes (generally a dinner replacement... on the weekends, a lunch replacement): 1/3 cup whey protein isolate unflavored, 1/4 cup frozen berries, 1/5 of a banana, almond milk, dash of either coconut milk or organic shredded coconut, tablespoon organic cocoa powder, 1/4 cup of mixed nuts (cashew, macadamia, pecan, pistachio, walnut, pepita, hazel)... 1 free range egg, blend in the magic bullet. Drink.
Going to give your Spirulina a look!
Thanks Bill,
Tim
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Gooey isn't probably the best word but many people have an aversion to green stuff. My aversion is to eggs. It's not founded on anything but the image and I'm not even a right to lifer!
Start out with small amounts of spirulina to let your body adjust.
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If you have been thinking of going primal or are currently living Primal you Gotta hear this interview with Mark Sisson , he is the Author of "Primal Blueprint" If you don't have that book yet get it cause it explains so much in an easy manner and will give you a solid foundation on this easy way of living.
Very cool interview. Just click on the link and it should begin too play
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2010/04/29/the-primal-blueprint-with-mark-sisson (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2010/04/29/the-primal-blueprint-with-mark-sisson)
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Good interview thanks for the link.
Has anyone purchased the PB cook book? Any reviews
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i've been experomenting with the paleo diet, big fan or loren cordain's work, robb wolf, am a former crossfitter since 2002, so i have a lot of experience with this way of eating and have to say it works. for me i am not 100% paleo/primal, but eat super clean. used to do zone/paleo, but dont measure anything much anymore. biggest difference between mark's take on diet and people who follow zone paleo is mark thinks the daily recomendation for zone carbs is too much. i say to each his own. you need to be patient an experiment and find what works for you. basically the end result of these three 'diets' is the same (paleo, primal and paleo/zone) is to eat low glycemic foods, regulate insulin response and prevent cellular inflammation.
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Here is a BASIC list that I made when reading the book... Keep it on my IPAD for shopping
Diet
Energy Bars
Raw revolution
Cliff nectar
Larabar
Vegetables
Yams, sweet potatoes
Spinach arugula celery lettuce
Bright or leafy or green veggies
No beans ever
Fruit
Blu, black, raspberry, or any other berries... With heavy cream too...
Cherries
Prunes
Apples
Peaches
Pears
Figs
Kiwis
Grapefruit
Apricot
Snacks
Jerky
Turkey
Beef
Buffalo
Venison
Celery with
Almond butter
Cottage cheese. With nut or fruit topping
Cream cheese
Cottage cheese
With fruit or nuts or balsamic vinegar, olives
Dark chocolate, over 70 percent
Almonds, pecans, pumpkin, sesame
Trail mix
Canned tuna / sardines
Meals
Canned tuna or salmon
Grass fed, organic, line caught
Shell fish
Fats
Butter
Coconut oil
Olive oil
Dark sesame oil
Calcium
Raw, organic yogurt, cheese
Whole grain wild rice... And quinoa ...Acceptable grain in very limited quantities
Daily targets:
104 protein
75 carbs
148 fat
get rid of the clif bars. they are crap.
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just to add, i take lots of fish oil, cook everything in coconut oil, grow lots of my own fruits and veggies.
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ODJ,
I don't do bars anymore, I make my own power balls with raw organic nuts and organic coconut oil and coconut shavings...
Before I went Primal, I was pretty addicted to them. I weened off of them by eating bad tasting ones... then was able to kick the habit pretty easily.
Tim
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ODJ,
I don't do bars anymore, I make my own power balls with raw organic nuts and organic coconut oil and coconut shavings...
Before I went Primal, I was pretty addicted to them. I weened off of them by eating bad tasting ones... then was able to kick the habit pretty easily.
Tim
mark's recipe for the primal energy bars is pretty good! i will do lara bars when i am in a hurry!
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True fact if you living 100 percent primal and your primary fuel is fat the body does not crave CARBS period. I don't even intake no where close to 50 grams daily and I feel alive and full of energy. Most people just can't face reality and come to realize CARBS is the true killer in society not the fat. I did Atkins,metabolic typing and the Zone end result the same they all work for a while not long term. Primal blueprint is so basic and simplified if you don't get it you never will.
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True fact if you living 100 percent primal and your primary fuel is fat the body does not crave carbs period. I don't even intake no where close to 50 grams daily and I feel alive and full of energy. Most people just can't face reality and come to realize crabs is the true killer in society not the fat. I did Atkins,metabolic typing and the Zone end result the same they all work for a while not long term. Primal blueprint is so basic and simplified if you don't get it you never will.
crabs or carbs?!
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Come on you no what I mean.lol Dumb ass spell check is correcting everything.
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Come on you no what I mean.lol Dumb ass spell check is correcting everything.
haha!
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Ninja does not abide by half measures...
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Ninja does not abide by half measures...
Strand,
I have to disagree with your comment a little. To address your comment and to justify my above post is I have juggled around the whole Macronutrient seesaw back and forth also second guessing it a lot of times that FAT cannot be the primary fuel source because FAT is FAT. So with that I have found myself actually living more like 50 percent Primal and the other 50 just going by feeling. It all came to an end as of April 1st and now I am 100 percent Primal forever. With my experience and fine tuning of Macronutrient value I can honestly say I LOVE FAT. When you truly give up the Conventional Wisdom of traditional short term diets and stop believing that you are programmed to consume CARBS on a daily basis then you will truly understand and reap the benefits of Primal Living. Its not just about the weight loss its the overhaul benefits that is gained with this way of living. The whole outlook of life has been more than phenomenal and every day has been so rewarding I don't want it to end. Its a life style is what a lot of people needs to understand not something you do for 3 to 4 months out of the year.
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What I've figured out is a pretty simple thing. Ground up grains are rocket fuel. If you eat bread or cereal your body digests every little bit of it. Very efficient. Not what you want. So cut that way down and your weight will drop to some new, lower plateau.
As for the rest, the premise is that we know what primitive man ate for 50,000 years while we evolved. Not really likely, smells like marketing to me. that's OK, marketing isn't bad, but you need to pay attention. When Mark is selling you his supplements and whey powders it's not because that's the ideal thing for you to eat, it's because that's a great way for him to make money. Grok didn't eat supplements. Of course I really don't give a crap what grok ate.
I'll keep tweaking. I plan to grow a lot more vegetables and some good fruit, both here in Maui and in Hood River. When I cook I naturally gravitate to meat and veggies these days. When I eat out I turn down the bread. If I get a sandwich I take off the top and eat it open faced. I have great energy. I feel strong. I sleep like a baby (well, not much crying or diaper loading). Lots of exercise, rational portions, and step off the reservation when I feel like it. Net, net is I'm stable at 238 and I think I'll be able to head down again when I ramp up my activities in Hood River.
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What I've figured out is a pretty simple thing. Ground up grains are rocket fuel. If you eat bread or cereal your body digests every little bit of it. Very efficient. Not what you want. So cut that way down and your weight will drop to some new, lower plateau.
As for the rest, the premise is that we know what primitive man ate for 50,000 years while we evolved. Not really likely, smells like marketing to me. that's OK, marketing isn't bad, but you need to pay attention. When Mark is selling you his supplements and whey powders it's not because that's the ideal thing for you to eat, it's because that's a great way for him to make money. Grok didn't eat supplements. Of course I really don't give a crap what grok ate.
I'll keep tweaking. I plan to grow a lot more vegetables and some good fruit, both here in Maui and in Hood River. When I cook I naturally gravitate to meat and veggies these days. When I eat out I turn down the bread. If I get a sandwich I take off the top and eat it open faced. I have great energy. I feel strong. I sleep like a baby (well, not much crying or diaper loading). Lots of exercise, rational portions, and step off the reservation when I feel like it. Net, net is I'm stable at 238 and I think I'll be able to head down again when I ramp up my activities in Hood River.
bill, with all do respect, mark's message is not a marketing gimmick. you do not have to buy his 'supplements and powders' to get results. in fact, if you eat the way that mark suggests there is absolutely no need for any kind of supplements whatsoever because you are getting everyithing you need in the food you eat. the only additional beneficial supplement that everyone should be taking is a pharmeceutical grade fish oil and nothing else. except for buying his book, i have never given mark any of my money and have gained a ton of knowledge, ideas, insight, etc. from his website. to be honest i actually bought the book because i felt like i had to pay for something, given all the free information and advice that i had received from the community. same thing with robb wolf. i've never given him a dime, have met him in person, had him answer countless questions about nutrition on message boards, and never paid for anything. there still are soem people in this world who actually like to help people and see them educate themselves and improve their knowledge and health and aren't behind some scam to make money.
grains are evil. seriously. they are refined (and even in their 'whole grain' state they are still refined to some point) and basically void of any nutritional content. an apple has the same amount of carbohydrate as one slice of bread, but is also packed tons of additional nutritional advantages over bread, and has a lower glycemic index as well. i've been eating this way for the last 10 years when i first heard about dr. loren cordain. he has no association with powders or supplements and is a researcher who studies the diets of paleolithic man. do the research.
ground up grains are NOT rocket fuel my friend. they are absolute garbage. your body does NOT digest and use every little bit of the grain/bread you eat. the body can only use a certain amount of sugar (which is what refined grains are essentially, and the more and more you refine them the higher the glycemic index) and guess what it does with the rest of the sugar that it cant use immediately? it stores it as fat to be used later for energy during periods of starvation. it worked wonderfully for our ancestors when we were hunter gathers. we would stuff ourselves during the summers to on adequate weight that would help sustain us through the winter when food was scarce and by springtime we'd be lean again and repeat the entire process over and over. the problem with our diet today is we are in a constant state of stuffing outselves, putting tons of high glycemic carbs in our bodies which results in packing on more and more fat. our bodies are never given a chance to use this 'stored fuel' as energy because we are constantly tricking our bodies into thinking that were are getting ready for winter by shoveling in sugar which is much easier for the body to use immediately instead of tapping into out fat/fuel reserves. this creates a viscous cycle that not only leads to a huge fat ass, but also paves the way for loads of chronic health issues. contrary to what most people think, fat does not clog up in your veins and arteries and lead to heart disease, it's excess and high glycemic carbohydrates. excess carbohydrates are the culprit for so many chronic health issues they should be made illegal (seriously, no joke). if people changed their eating habits it would eliminate so many chronic health issues it would make your head spin, so in this instance i am going to have to disagree with you.
read up on loren cordain, robb wolf, barry sears sears isn't paleo, but his book 'enter the zone' is a great intro to nutrition) and mark sisson (just skip the parts where he talks about supplements and what not because that part is garbage.) you really should reconsider actually giving a crap what grok ate because if you do, you will not be overweight. and dont think that exercising more and continuing to eat garbage will help. diet has more of an affect on weight loss that just exercising. you have change your body and start getting it to use all the fat you have stored up as energy. this aint gonna happen eating bread, pasta, rice, etc. stick to the low glycemic foods and the pounds will come off.
like i said before, it's all about eating low glycemic carbs, regulating insulin response and preventing cellular inflammation. if you have these covered then you will lose weight and feel so much better.
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Question regarding carbs for people who race:
First of all thanks for all the info about the different diets you're all posting here- this stuff is really interesting to me and I'm happy we've got resident experts.
I have one question- it's not loaded- I just want to know what you guys think. Specifically if you guys race stand up boards or run races or race bikes... competitive races not just, "let's go for a run, ride or walk or paddle" type activities.
What should I be eating and when to be properly fueled for a race of 6 - 12 mile length?
I'm really looking for responses from people who actually train and prepare for races. The intensity of a race is not matched by practice or leisure paddles (we try the best we can with intervals etc., and the old adage, "How you practice is how you play"... but the fact remains that on game day you up the intensity level- at least if you care about winning or results).
Particularly those of you who don't eat any carbs (I'm with you by the way- refined flours, sugars, grains = fat, diabetic people) and get their fuel primarily from fat.
I race stand up boards at least twice a month and practice daily- my experience has been that if I don't carb load the day before a race, I am DEAD on the course at mile 2.
So racers, let me know what you do- and please describe your level of competitiveness (ie: I race once a month and eat raw, bleeding, venison everyday except when I can tear into some warm liver or pork sushi ;)).
Thanks!
John Ashley
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ODJ,
Amen brother. People today is still stuck on the CW of I need carbs or more carbs on a daily basis. What I suggest is people go back an re-read Primal Blueprint as many times as you can. Until you fully understand that high GI Carbs when combined with fat makes you fat. its not the fat making you fat is the high GI carbs causing the huge insulin spikes causing the fat to be stored as fat. Thats the bottom line
Paddlesurf,
For one I agree with you with the race thing and carbs you will definitely need it. Its a real big issue on Marks Sissons forum. Another thing is maybe you should start a whole new thread regarding this topic because people is still trying to grasp the whole primal thing. It will just confuse the crap out of people. Aloha
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Question for you Primal guys (I know nothing about this diet except for a short TV story from a few years ago).
How does the author deal with all of the evolutionary changes that have occurred since Primal times? How about the changes in food availablity and diet between geocultures?
Physiology is different and lagely banded by region and multiple area specific diets seem to be netting some very lean groups (including heavy rice and grain eaters).
PS: What makes primal man the model to emulate? Was he lean or long of life? Was he getting the chicks?
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This topic is near and dear to my heart which wasn't doing too good after 40 years of fast food and mostly easy ocean sports. Tried all the fads including Primal, juicing, powders etc, but never stayed on them long for all the usual reasons. A couple of bypasses and new valve and aortic wall, were the wake up call. Since then I've slowly modified my diet, believing nothing and only sticking with what I like, and brings measurable benefits;
Cut the crap:
No alcohol
Very limited added sugars in anything
Very limited grains, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes or excessively starchy anything (except quinoa sometimes)
Limited dairy
Eat a variety of the good stuff:
Lots of living plant food - veggies, fruit and berries, berries, berries. Usually include 1-3 superfoods per meal
Mostly fish (cold ocean if possible) for any meal
Eat the great stuff that works for you:
Muti vitamin/mineral, D3
highest quality fish oil extract ($$$)
5 adaptogens - these are amazing - check them out
resveratrol ($$)
Give the body & mind a break:
Fast and rest when natural opportunities arise - sickness, bad weather, have to stay home etc. Less frustration too, because you are working with and not against your own life.
Quiet time, something peaceful in a natural setting - ocean included of course.
Reduce the meds:
male hormone regimen - Consistently tested low in testosterone, but insurance wouldn't help, so I found: " The Natural Testosterone Plan". It worked a little too well, :o , but eventually I got the dosage and timing right.
glucosamine-chondroitin - aging joints
Results:
Lost 50 pounds over 3 years, man tits are almost gone ...
Can paddle sup all day up and down wind and then do chores
Former hill hikes are now easy walks
Removed 8 meds entirely, down to min doses on 3 - by measurable improvements and approved by cardiologist
More fun, love those double or triple sport days - especially sup surfing !!
Paddle Hard!
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It's the chicks. Grok got a lot of leg.
Fundamental flaw in the reasoning is the relative health and fitness in cultures that eat lots of carbs and little protein. It doesn't mean the diet doesn't work, it works well for a lot of people. Anything that keeps people from eating big macs, fries and a large chocolate shake for breakfast is going to help. And the old food pyramid that had people eating mostly grains has a lot to answer for.
The underlying premise is that the time-frame for modern man to adapt to a farmed diet is too short--that prior to grain cultivation the evolutionary period was far longer. That is not really relevant. Adaption of isolated populations to specific foods is obvious and doesn't take long at all. The easy examples are the reaction to alcohol (native Americans can't tolerate it, many Chinese metabolize it differently than all the rest of us). Less commonly talked about is the much lower level of grain allergies in Asia vs. Europe. About 70 percent of Europeans exhibit some level of sensitivity to grain, less than 10 percent of Asians do.
Of course you are right in thinking the variety of food primal people ate was greater than the diet recommends, and that we only have sketchy ideas of what that was. Year One is about as accurate a reference as any text. Not a lot of grub eating going on in the Primal Blueprint, but pretty likely. The other reality is that we're all aiming to live a healthy life for far longer than we're supposed to. From an evolutionary standpoint anyone over 40 is a waste of space and a resource drain. You need to deliver your genetic package and kick off.
So yeah, it's mostly bullshit and a foodie religion, but it's useful bullshit. Great marketing too.
But even if it's based on a bullshit premise the underlying approach is effective. I think it has a lot more to do with how efficiently you can process the foods. Digestive processes work on the surface of any food eaten. A cup of flour has almost an infinitely larger surface area than a cup of Broccoli. Eat the flour and you're going to convert almost all of it to sugar. Eat the Broccoli and you won't.
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Adaption of isolated populations to specific foods is obvious and doesn't take long at all.
That sure rings true. Lactose (in)tolerance as well.
Long term sustainability and other health issues aside, if you are staying below your personal colorie intake threshold, aren't you going to lose weight regardless?
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Question regarding carbs for people who race:
First of all thanks for all the info about the different diets you're all posting here- this stuff is really interesting to me and I'm happy we've got resident experts.
I have one question- it's not loaded- I just want to know what you guys think. Specifically if you guys race stand up boards or run races or race bikes... competitive races not just, "let's go for a run, ride or walk or paddle" type activities.
What should I be eating and when to be properly fueled for a race of 6 - 12 mile length?
I'm really looking for responses from people who actually train and prepare for races. The intensity of a race is not matched by practice or leisure paddles (we try the best we can with intervals etc., and the old adage, "How you practice is how you play"... but the fact remains that on game day you up the intensity level- at least if you care about winning or results).
Particularly those of you who don't eat any carbs (I'm with you by the way- refined flours, sugars, grains = fat, diabetic people) and get their fuel primarily from fat.
I race stand up boards at least twice a month and practice daily- my experience has been that if I don't carb load the day before a race, I am DEAD on the course at mile 2.
So racers, let me know what you do- and please describe your level of competitiveness (ie: I race once a month and eat raw, bleeding, venison everyday except when I can tear into some warm liver or pork sushi ;)).
Thanks!
John Ashley
check out a book written by loren cordain called 'The Paleo Diet For Athletes. It's gear more toward to high intensity, endurance athlete and specifically lists what types of foods to eat when. Depending on what activity you are doing, how close to race day, how long you will be performing for and at what intensity dictates the type of fuel you need to put in your body. Basically Cordain's book 'The Paleo Diet' is for the lay, sedentary person who wants to be healthier and wants to lose weight, and 'The Paleo Diet For Atheletes' is for the person who wants to eat this way and be able to perform at an elite level.
Now, I am not one who believes that your body does not need carbs. I eat plenty of fruit, but that is where most of my carbs come from, and then some veggies, but the carbs in veggies are negligible. Trust me, I have been experiementing and tinkering with this way of eating for 10 years now, and being someone who is relatively active i need the carbs, but i keep them at a reasonable level and they are almost always low glycemic. If i eat more of a ketogenic diet (carb free or SUPER low carbs I lose weight, and I dont want to lose weight!) I eat higher glycemic fruits now and then (bananas, papaya, etc.) I used to be very extreme about eating this way and super strict, and that was when I was doing CrossFit on a 3 on 1 off schedule and was in the most amazing shape of my life. Since then i had a devastating Jiu Jitsu injury which resulted in me losing all feeling in my feel, not being able to straighten my right leg and losing a ton of weight (I was lean to begin with so it was not good weight loss!). When I was that strict it was a full time job and all consuming and was not much fun, even though the results were amazing. Nowadays I have found a happy medium and just try and eat clean. I dont care about counting carbs and know what I need to eat and what my body needs. I cheat now and then and am not as shredded as I once was but I am happy, super healthy and not freaking out about everything i put in my body. As long as you follow a super clean diet void of grains, dairy, rice, pasta, cereals and just eat clean you will be WAAAAAY ahead of 99% of the population. For me it's all about moderation. The problem with most of the population they dont know what moderation is!
Another thing I do is eat grass fed beef. cows are not meant to eat grains and cows that are fed grain have a much different fatty acid profile than a cow that eats a grass fed diet. also, the grain fed cows have exponentially higher levels of e. coli in their gut compared to a grain fed cow.
I just like studying these things and love reading up on stuff like this and it has been a hobby of mine for the last 10 years i guess. i like to know the science behind what i am doing and putting in my body instead of blindly going something because it seems healthy. so many things people do to their bodies and eat are mostly based on superstition and have little or no science behind them. Right now is an awesome time for nutrition research. In the last 10 years or so there have been so many amazing discoveries made in the field of clinical nutrition, it's just a shame that people aren't taking the advice.
Jack LaLane was basically saying the same thing that Cordain, Sisson, etc. are saying now. Go to youtube and check out Jack's old videos from the 50's/60's. They are amazing!
If you really wasnt to see a good documentary check out 'Food, Inc.' It's an instant stream on Netflix. It's an eye opening documentary, and it's not one of those lame PETA-esque films thats anti-meateating or anything. We are meant to eat meat, but not the meat that is currently being farmed.
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Question for you Primal guys (I know nothing about this diet except for a short TV story from a few years ago).
How does the author deal with all of the evolutionary changes that have occurred since Primal times? How about the changes in food availablity and diet between geocultures?
Physiology is different and lagely banded by region and multiple area specific diets seem to be netting some very lean groups (including heavy rice and grain eaters).
PS: What makes primal man the model to emulate? Was he lean or long of life? Was he getting the chicks?
here's the deal with evolution. what has been proven in cordain's research is that most of the chronic health issues that plague our society didn't rear their ugly heads until the time in our history as human beings when we began to farm grain. to the paleolithic man grains were starvation food and the absolute last resort as a food choice. we were no longer foraging and hunting for our food. we were growing it, specifically grains. this is a food that we were not meant to consume in the large quantities that we did once we started farming and now in present day. In addition to being very high glycemic and the excess carbs that the body cant use immediately are turned to, and stored as fat for later use, they are void of nutrition (aside from carbs and fiber) and cause a myriad of chronic health problems; heart disease, allergies, intestinal issues, etc.
the same is true of dairy. our bodies just have not evolved to be able to deal with these foods at the levels we consume them. obviously there are exceptions and certain populations that handle dairy better than others, and historically these populations are from a herding background where they kept livestock and farmed animals for their milk, but as a whole the human body really isn't designed to handle dairy (but damn, do i love milk and ice cream!).
and one thing is for damn sure, the human body in no way shape or form is evolved to handle refined sugars/corn syrup, etc. this shit is the devil and should be avoided at all cost. it's taking a grain which is already crap (corn) and refining it to the point where it cant be refined any longer, creating a ridiculously high glycemic product (i just cant call this food). basically if it's a carbohydrate that is refined you should avoid it. like i mentioned earlier i am not one who believes that you cant eat any carbs and still be an athlete, or at least an athlete that performs at any sort of respectable level. you will bonk so early and have no reserve/energy to do much of anything. you'll look great, but you will be all show and no go.
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Another good documentary that also happens to be a stream on NEtflix is 'King Corn'.
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It's the chicks. Grok got a lot of leg.
Fundamental flaw in the reasoning is the relative health and fitness in cultures that eat lots of carbs and little protein. It doesn't mean the diet doesn't work, it works well for a lot of people. Anything that keeps people from eating big macs, fries and a large chocolate shake for breakfast is going to help. And the old food pyramid that had people eating mostly grains has a lot to answer for.
The underlying premise is that the time-frame for modern man to adapt to a farmed diet is too short--that prior to grain cultivation the evolutionary period was far longer. That is not really relevant. Adaption of isolated populations to specific foods is obvious and doesn't take long at all. The easy examples are the reaction to alcohol (native Americans can't tolerate it, many Chinese metabolize it differently than all the rest of us). Less commonly talked about is the much lower level of grain allergies in Asia vs. Europe. About 70 percent of Europeans exhibit some level of sensitivity to grain, less than 10 percent of Asians do.
Of course you are right in thinking the variety of food primal people ate was greater than the diet recommends, and that we only have sketchy ideas of what that was. Year One is about as accurate a reference as any text. Not a lot of grub eating going on in the Primal Blueprint, but pretty likely. The other reality is that we're all aiming to live a healthy life for far longer than we're supposed to. From an evolutionary standpoint anyone over 40 is a waste of space and a resource drain. You need to deliver your genetic package and kick off.
So yeah, it's mostly bullshit and a foodie religion, but it's useful bullshit. Great marketing too.
But even if it's based on a bullshit premise the underlying approach is effective. I think it has a lot more to do with how efficiently you can process the foods. Digestive processes work on the surface of any food eaten. A cup of flour has almost an infinitely larger surface area than a cup of Broccoli. Eat the flour and you're going to convert almost all of it to sugar. Eat the Broccoli and you won't.
after that long-winded post that i put up, then i read your post and it basically sums it up fairly well, but it isnt bullshit!
just to prove you wrong, and since you are currently vocal about trying to lose weight, why dont you give the paleo/primal diet a shot for say, 3 months and be strict about it and then let us know what you think. what do you have to lose, seriously (aside from a lot of weight)? obviously the way you have been eating for most of your life has led to you being overweight, so instead of being stubborn and writing it off as marketing give it a shot first so you have a solid foundation to base your opinion on. When people disregard this way of eating without having any experience with it, without never trying it, giving it a chance or doing any research on it i tend to compare it to the prone surfers who trash SUPers and call us kooks and hacks, and they themselves have never even been on an SUP. and like i mentioned before, you can follow this diet to the freaking letter without buying any supplements, creams, lotions, or potions! that's the beauty of it. you just have to go buy real, whole, clean foods and that's it!!!!
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http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-carbs-20101220,0,5464425.story (http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-carbs-20101220,0,5464425.story)
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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/)
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and FWIW, i have absolutely no association with any of the authors i have cited and in no way make my living promoting nutrition, supplements, etc. i am just very passionate about this stuff and enjoy seeing other people educate themselves and see results. i am a pediatric ICU nurse, previously an adult ICU nurse, and have seen the way that our modern diet destroys people's bodies. that's probably why i am so passionate about helping other people change their eating habits. it's something that is so simple and easy to do, and has such amazing benefits!
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Very interesting thread. I'm down fifteen pounds just doing the whole foods approach, cutting sugars and carbs. Going with good meats, no dairy except for cream in the morning coffee and a sprinkle of good parmisian on my veggie wraps, veggies, fruits, and nuts.
The key for me is combining good food (without over eating) and exercise. Still enjoy a good glass of wine.
Just a question....Is the primal the same as the Engine 2 diet but with the meat?
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Hey ODJ-
Thanks for that LA Times article- I printed it out and will share with my high school students. I should back track for a second- I've lost more than twenty lbs in the last three months going low carb/high protein- my students are kind of blown away by it and they are interested in the approach. I think that article will be an eye opener for them.
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You know where I stand about this paleo way of living. I traianed for about 5 months regularly after coming off back to back injurys first my right shoulder (rehab for 11 months) and then a wrist injury out for 6 months. I ate only minimal carbs brown rice and some beans and legumes, watched my fat intake and ate lean meats. I did eat the occasional snack and whole grain bread sandwiches . I paddled at least 3 miles a day 2 to 3 times a week and on the weekends 6 to 10 and I trained with clubells and weights, also bought a water rower and trained for 30 minutes a day 3 times a week. I was tiered a lot and had very low energy level most of the time . The first picture is of me about 1 month before I went complete Paleo .I had lost about 15 to 20 lbs since my injurys but you can see the fat layer on me, there was muscle there from training but hard to see it. The second picture is me 2 1/2 months after following Mark Sissons program . I eat as much as I like ( stay within 50 to 100 carbs a day) and only have to monitor my Fat intake (I'm usually not getting enough) . 60% of my calories come from good fat like Coconut oil, nuts and seeds and fat from grass fed beef. I have to keep upping my fat intake the more I ramp up my distance paddling. I am getting the majority of energy from fat. If you train super hard for distance paddling races you will need to up your intake of carbs from vegetables , nuts and some purple sweet potatoe. Purple sweet potatoes is one of the best sources to get some good carbs for races. You don't need to Carb load when you are eating and living Paleo. I feel better and have more energy than I have since I was in my twenties, and I'll be 50 in two months. I went from a size 38 to a lose 34. As for training I train for 30 minutes 2 times a week and paddle maybe 2 times a week. But when I go for a 9 mile down wind run in rough conditions I feel fine at the end. I also do some walking for maybe 45 minutes or rowing 3 times a week at 60% max heart rate never higher.
A friend of mine started doing this Paleo living about 4 months ago and when he started his cholesterol was 320 and his triglycerides were in the thousands. His blood pressure was super high !! 3 months later with ZERO exercise (Just started eating Paleo) he is down to 180 cholesterol and his triglycerides are down to 70's and his blood pressure is like 110/60. This shit works.
As for Bill , I checked the weigh in post here and you started out at the first page of that at 242 and 4 months later you said you weighed in at 241 . Anyone can go and read it. So I'd dare to say what your doing is not working. You can say this is marketing all day long but a few pictures are worth a thousand words. Try buying "Primal Blueprint" read it and understand it, then give it a try for 2 months IT WORKS. OR keep doing what your doing . Your choice.
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Okay- looks like I've got some reading to do! Thanks SEA.
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Seems not so bad for 64.
Actually what I'm doing is pretty much what you're doing. Perhaps bullshit is too harsh a term, but it IS marketing--that's a business, marketing is what a business does. I admire good marketing and well run businesses.
As to the starting weight, I started with a wildly inaccurate scale. My Doctors office scale had me at 266. I think I've lot about 25 pounds, but I'm not completely sure. I HAVE plateaued and I want to loose some more weight and add muscle. I do intend to get more rigorous about the primal diet. I'm not knocking the results, just calling it like I see it.
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here's the deal with evolution. what has been proven in cordain's research is that most of the chronic health issues that plague our society didn't rear their ugly heads until the time in our history as human beings when we began to farm grain. to the paleolithic man grains were starvation food and the absolute last resort as a food choice. we were no longer foraging and hunting for our food. we were growing it, specifically grains. this is a food that we were not meant to consume in the large quantities that we did once we started farming and now in present day. In addition to being very high glycemic and the excess carbs that the body cant use immediately are turned to, and stored as fat for later use, they are void of nutrition (aside from carbs and fiber) and cause a myriad of chronic health problems; heart disease, allergies, intestinal issues, etc.
the same is true of dairy. our bodies just have not evolved to be able to deal with these foods at the levels we consume them. obviously there are exceptions and certain populations that handle dairy better than others, and historically these populations are from a herding background where they kept livestock and farmed animals for their milk, but as a whole the human body really isn't designed to handle dairy (but damn, do i love milk and ice cream!).
I know this kind of thing gets to the point of religion very quickly, and it's pointless to argue religion, but for anyone as skeptical as I am it's a lot more convincing to simply say here's something that works well for a lot of people rather than claiming that "research" proved something. There simply isn't any way for that to happen. It's difficult to prove the effect of a specific diet in modern man--too many variables intrude and the ability to manage a statistically significant test and control group is very limited. Move that back beyond recorded history where we suspect people on the average didn't live long enough to suffer the diseases that "plague" modern man (to the point that our life expectancy is the longest it's ever been) and you have a pretty shaky basis. Please don't get into the fossil record unless you understand that it's so thin that the only reason it's tells us so much is that it spans so much time.
Don't misunderstand me, I get Mark's Daily Apple, I read the books, I adhere (more or less) to the diet. I think it works very well. But I also think religion works well for a lot of people, but it doesn't mean I believe everything a preacher tells me. In fact I think if you base your belief on things you should be able to reason away for yourself, that your belief is unsound.
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geez I merely clicked on a link at the bottom of the home page. Which led me to this page. So I scanned back through the thread, impressed mainly by the length of it. And so off I went to have a quick check of the Primal Blueprint thing and then things really got interesting. What a devoted and active following. The forum for Mark's Daily Apple is impressive. Looks like there just might be something to this primal eating/living/groking thing!
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We watched Human Planet last night. A great reminder that Primal is still alive...and what it actually looks like. Not so much Brontasaurus Steaks every lunch and dinner, but rather will we catch a Bat every 2 weeks and feed 12 with it?. Lean? Oh yeah, near starvation lean. All physical work with very few calories going in. That Primal diet is a winner for sure in terms of weight. Life expectancy? 40?
America was a lean country once. We were still Grain/Corn/Potato/Dairy eaters. We also worked physical jobs, had no fast food, no Wii, etc. The Obesity rate incline is depressing, but it would seem hard to make a case against grains/starches/dairy as they were staples when we were thin. We were sure eating the meat back then as well.
How bout the Meat, Pickle and Potato diet? Try to eat 1000 calories of baked potato.
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Here is my take...
I think that Bill may be onto something... The whole Grok / Caveman angle may just be a really, really clever way to package a diet / lifestyle choice that works pretty well for lots of people... and a nice vehicle to sell supplements, shake powders, and books... and drive some web traffic. If so, good on that Sisson cat! I am stoked that he found a way to make a good living while providing (what I preceive to be) tangible benefits to lots of folks!
I went to his site after being prompted by some Zoners... I was impressed by all of the information that was available for free, so I bought his book (kindle) and some supplements, and some shake mix (and started this thread). I should probably be taking some supplements anyway... and the ingredients on the shake mix look to be really high quality... etc. A few months later, his shake is a great way to have a light dinner, lunch or snack when you might lapse by eating a piece of pizza or an in and out burger... and I still buy the mix every month or so as it is better than any prepared shake that I have seen, and I can't always make a homemade protein shake (but I LOVE THEM... Thanks for the inspiration SEA!)
I started on the diet... going by the 80/20 principal... probably more like 90/10 at the beginning, now more like 80/20. I don't feel like I am dieting... I cheat once in a while... and I lost over twenty pounds of fat... (not muscle)...
I am sticking with the diet now that I am basically at my goal. (We will see if this lasts... but I think it will because it is pretty easy to stick to once you get over the bread / sugar cravings...) AND I have not had a diet coke in three months and no longer crave them.
This weekend I even ate my wife's home made chipwich that I had been saving since New Years... (now that I reached my initial goal)... It wasn't as good as I remembered. So Cal's is still in the freezer... This week we will see if nine hours of standup surfing properly offset the celebratory chipwich...
When I go for my annual physical in May or June, we will see what the Doc has to say about my health...
The Primal approach to eating is really not too revelatory... but then again, it is... cut the crap, (including whole grains ???) cut the starches... and get full from good fats and protein... and put a cool caveman logo on stuff...
Party on,
Tim
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Seems not so bad for 64.
Actually what I'm doing is pretty much what you're doing. Perhaps bullshit is too harsh a term, but it IS marketing--that's a business, marketing is what a business does. I admire good marketing and well run businesses.
As to the starting weight, I started with a wildly inaccurate scale. My Doctors office scale had me at 266. I think I've lot about 25 pounds, but I'm not completely sure. I HAVE plateaued and I want to loose some more weight and add muscle. I do intend to get more rigorous about the primal diet. I'm not knocking the results, just calling it like I see it.
Wow that ws a dramatic change from this picture that you just posted :))
The science behind eating primal works !! Period !! Maybe thats why you are willing to come to the dark side and eat more primal Bill :))
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Seems not so bad for 64.
Actually what I'm doing is pretty much what you're doing. Perhaps bullshit is too harsh a term, but it IS marketing--that's a business, marketing is what a business does. I admire good marketing and well run businesses.
As to the starting weight, I started with a wildly inaccurate scale. My Doctors office scale had me at 266. I think I've lot about 25 pounds, but I'm not completely sure. I HAVE plateaued and I want to loose some more weight and add muscle. I do intend to get more rigorous about the primal diet. I'm not knocking the results, just calling it like I see it.
WOW Ponobill this photoshop is so obvious its hilarious. If you not going be real about things why shit on what other people believes and practices. UNREAL
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I believe PonoBill's photo was photoshopped also. Look how crooked some of the fingers appear.
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The obvious is the neckline to the top of the ear. One thing is to be real and share real experiences not full of shit. Sorry I call it like I see it and please stop with all the excuses. Go Hard or Go Home or Just NO go at all.
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here's the deal with evolution. what has been proven in cordain's research is that most of the chronic health issues that plague our society didn't rear their ugly heads until the time in our history as human beings when we began to farm grain. to the paleolithic man grains were starvation food and the absolute last resort as a food choice. we were no longer foraging and hunting for our food. we were growing it, specifically grains. this is a food that we were not meant to consume in the large quantities that we did once we started farming and now in present day. In addition to being very high glycemic and the excess carbs that the body cant use immediately are turned to, and stored as fat for later use, they are void of nutrition (aside from carbs and fiber) and cause a myriad of chronic health problems; heart disease, allergies, intestinal issues, etc.
the same is true of dairy. our bodies just have not evolved to be able to deal with these foods at the levels we consume them. obviously there are exceptions and certain populations that handle dairy better than others, and historically these populations are from a herding background where they kept livestock and farmed animals for their milk, but as a whole the human body really isn't designed to handle dairy (but damn, do i love milk and ice cream!).
I know this kind of thing gets to the point of religion very quickly, and it's pointless to argue religion, but for anyone as skeptical as I am it's a lot more convincing to simply say here's something that works well for a lot of people rather than claiming that "research" proved something. There simply isn't any way for that to happen. It's difficult to prove the effect of a specific diet in modern man--too many variables intrude and the ability to manage a statistically significant test and control group is very limited. Move that back beyond recorded history where we suspect people on the average didn't live long enough to suffer the diseases that "plague" modern man (to the point that our life expectancy is the longest it's ever been) and you have a pretty shaky basis. Please don't get into the fossil record unless you understand that it's so thin that the only reason it's tells us so much is that it spans so much time.
Don't misunderstand me, I get Mark's Daily Apple, I read the books, I adhere (more or less) to the diet. I think it works very well. But I also think religion works well for a lot of people, but it doesn't mean I believe everything a preacher tells me. In fact I think if you base your belief on things you should be able to reason away for yourself, that your belief is unsound.
personally i think religion is bunk and dont subscribe to it because (and not to start a new topic or open a can of words or offend anyone but...) it's all based on faith and nothing has been proven...with that said...i still challenege you to try it! say what you want and come up with all the excuses you want, but until you try it for yourself and see if it works for you or not and give it a fair chance you have no grounds to stand on when it comes to saying if it works or not! way before mark (sisson) there were several other guys recommending this way of eating. Cordain published his first book almost 10 years ago on the paleo diet, and unlike Sisson (and i dont mean this in any may to be disrespectful to mark, because he acknowledges it in the beginning of his book) is that the guy's entire career has been based on studies and research.
i do agree that these things can get a little cult-ish and what not, but the big difference here is that people aren't following this way of eating based on faith or fad and whatnot. it's somewhat popular because it actually works. if you read cordain's (and mark's book's) you will know that they both touch on the fact that we cant replicate EXACTLY what paleolithic man ate, but we can do a darn good job attempting to replicate that the best we can with what we have available. I will gladly go to the store and buy a grassfed steak that someone else raised and butchered for purchase in the store over going out and foraging for grubs as my protein source! it is comical that you keep touching on marketing, as the reason you aren't 100% into this way of eating, but like i mentioned before, there are TONS or resources online which can give you the basic guidelines about paleolithic eating and results in you not having to give a dime to any of these authors/advocates. for those who dont want to read about it, or dont care about the science behind it i just tell them lean meats, lots of veggies, nuts, seeds, oils and some starch now and then is all you need.
although paleolithic man didnt live as long, he still was overall much healthier than we are today. basically, without simple things that we take for granted today like modern medicine, antibiotics, clean water, etc. it was basically survival of the fittest. a simple injury that we sustain in present day was catastrophic and/or deadly in those times. the gene pool however was much stronger than it is now. lifespan was cut short from traumatic injury and threats to our ancestors were much greater than they are now. with that said, a 20 year old back then when stacked up against a 20 year old in todays world would get his clock cleaned by a paleolithic relative. they were much stronger, leaner, and faster than the typical fat ass of today. why is that? if our bodies have supposedly 'evolved' to efficiently use grains and processed foods, why do we have so many young lard-asses roaming among us and each year the percentage of the population that has or it as risk of developing things like obesity, diabetes, high cholesterol, heart disease, etc. keeps increasing?! in fact, and this is a first as far as i know...the young kids right now supposedly have a shorter lifespan than the generation ahead of them. if our bodies were supposedly rapidly evolving to eat the crap that we are currently consuming, this wouldn't be the case. if these guys (cordain, sisson) were stating that you had to just eat their own specific brand of pre-packaged foods in order to see results it would be a scam. granted i was skeptical about sisson when i found out about his company with the supplements, etc., but he is basically saying the exact same thing cordain said 10 years ago.
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You know where I stand about this paleo way of living. I traianed for about 5 months regularly after coming off back to back injurys first my right shoulder (rehab for 11 months) and then a wrist injury out for 6 months. I ate only minimal carbs brown rice and some beans and legumes, watched my fat intake and ate lean meats. I did eat the occasional snack and whole grain bread sandwiches . I paddled at least 3 miles a day 2 to 3 times a week and on the weekends 6 to 10 and I trained with clubells and weights, also bought a water rower and trained for 30 minutes a day 3 times a week. I was tiered a lot and had very low energy level most of the time . The first picture is of me about 1 month before I went complete Paleo .I had lost about 15 to 20 lbs since my injurys but you can see the fat layer on me, there was muscle there from training but hard to see it. The second picture is me 2 1/2 months after following Mark Sissons program . I eat as much as I like ( stay within 50 to 100 carbs a day) and only have to monitor my Fat intake (I'm usually not getting enough) . 60% of my calories come from good fat like Coconut oil, nuts and seeds and fat from grass fed beef. I have to keep upping my fat intake the more I ramp up my distance paddling. I am getting the majority of energy from fat. If you train super hard for distance paddling races you will need to up your intake of carbs from vegetables , nuts and some purple sweet potatoe. Purple sweet potatoes is one of the best sources to get some good carbs for races. You don't need to Carb load when you are eating and living Paleo. I feel better and have more energy than I have since I was in my twenties, and I'll be 50 in two months. I went from a size 38 to a lose 34. As for training I train for 30 minutes 2 times a week and paddle maybe 2 times a week. But when I go for a 9 mile down wind run in rough conditions I feel fine at the end. I also do some walking for maybe 45 minutes or rowing 3 times a week at 60% max heart rate never higher.
A friend of mine started doing this Paleo living about 4 months ago and when he started his cholesterol was 320 and his triglycerides were in the thousands. His blood pressure was super high !! 3 months later with ZERO exercise (Just started eating Paleo) he is down to 180 cholesterol and his triglycerides are down to 70's and his blood pressure is like 110/60. This shit works.
As for Bill , I checked the weigh in post here and you started out at the first page of that at 242 and 4 months later you said you weighed in at 241 . Anyone can go and read it. So I'd dare to say what your doing is not working. You can say this is marketing all day long but a few pictures are worth a thousand words. Try buying "Primal Blueprint" read it and understand it, then give it a try for 2 months IT WORKS. OR keep doing what your doing . Your choice.
congrats! keep it up!
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Actually, I wouldn't trust that that photo of PonoBill with his new Bullet is giving an accurate rendition of him. Everyone knows the SIC boards make you look 10 pounds heavier.
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The obvious is the neckline to the top of the ear. One thing is to be real and share real experiences not full of shit. Sorry I call it like I see it and please stop with all the excuses. Go Hard or Go Home or Just NO go at all.
Now THAT'S funny. And very flattering. Thanks. You're probably noticing the redness, I'm taking antibiotics to deal with a little infection I got from bashing my knees on the Bullet and it made me sun sensitive. Naturally I forgot all about it and wore a MCKC wife-beater rash guard and skipped the second coat of sunblock yesterday when we did our double maliko. So I got a burn. You can see the outline of the wife-beater shirt--looks like I've been wearing a bra.
And hey, if I'm not going to get credit for the body then that isn't my turkey neck either.
Nope, that's me. Had Diane shoot the picture last night. I look heavy in my clothes because they don't fit. I'm too cheap to buy new stuff, so I hook a zip-tie through the belt loop of my shorts and tighten them up. All my T shirts are XXL and I have dozens of them. Maybe it's time to donate to goodwill and get some clothes that fit.
Just to lay this to rest, here's a slightly different shot with a stupid look on my face that happens to include a little of my computer. You sharp-eyed types will notice that's the Zone on the screen. And my model of Hokulea behind the computer. Really if I was going to photoshop it I would have picked a better body, I have 20 pounds or more to go, it's just a good start.
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Credit where credit is due, that's Primal Diet results. Started off with Tish Berman's approach (which is pretty much primal) and continued with Mark Sisson's stuff. If you actually read what I said, I agree the approach works. I'm having no problems adopting it as a lifestyle. I think it's a great diet. I think (actually I know) the whole primal thing is a marketing hook. It's how I would do it.
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Long term sustainability and other health issues aside, if you are staying below your personal calorie intake threshold, aren't you going to lose weight regardless?
I think what you're getting at is what a lot of doctors still say--eat less calories than you burn and you'll lose weight--and they are way out of date. The metabolic processes are a lot more complex. If you eat all carbohydrates for example, your body converts them very efficiently to blood sugars, the liver takes up quite a bit and uses insulin to convert it to glycogen. All the rest gets stored as fat. Worse yet, all those carbs tax the hell out of your pancreas, and your body starts being less effective in using insulin. You develop metabolic disease, then type 2 diabetes, and finally your islet cells all croak and you have type 1.
That component of all these newer diets is on point and based on well documented recent research, mostly focused on diabetes issues--the US is spending a lot of money on diabetes research.
One of the great things about these diets is that they don't require willpower to any degree. You don't have to starve yourself, you can eat like a pig in fact, just don't eat a lot of carbs. Particularly easy for me since Diane is a diabetic and a very healthy one. She stays that way by eating very cleanly and managing her carbs. I actually eat fewer carbs than she does now. She'll still eat a little bread in an open faced sandwich. I feel like I've just slimed myself if I eat bread.
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Here is my take...
I think that Bill may be onto something... The whole Grok / Caveman angle may just be a really, really clever way to package a diet / lifestyle choice that works pretty well for lots of people... and a nice vehicle to sell supplements, shake powders, and books... and drive some web traffic. If so, good on that Sisson cat! I am stoked that he found a way to make a good living while providing (what I preceive to be) tangible benefits to lots of folks!
I went to his site after being prompted by some Zoners... I was impressed by all of the information that was available for free, so I bought his book (kindle) and some supplements, and some shake mix (and started this thread). I should probably be taking some supplements anyway... and the ingredients on the shake mix look to be really high quality... etc. A few months later, his shake is a great way to have a light dinner, lunch or snack when you might lapse by eating a piece of pizza or an in and out burger... and I still buy the mix every month or so as it is better than any prepared shake that I have seen, and I can't always make a homemade protein shake (but I LOVE THEM... Thanks for the inspiration SEA!)
I started on the diet... going by the 80/20 principal... probably more like 90/10 at the beginning, now more like 80/20. I don't feel like I am dieting... I cheat once in a while... and I lost over twenty pounds of fat... (not muscle)...
I am sticking with the diet now that I am basically at my goal. (We will see if this lasts... but I think it will because it is pretty easy to stick to once you get over the bread / sugar cravings...) AND I have not had a diet coke in three months and no longer crave them.
This weekend I even ate my wife's home made chipwich that I had been saving since New Years... (now that I reached my initial goal)... It wasn't as good as I remembered. So Cal's is still in the freezer... This week we will see if nine hours of standup surfing properly offset the celebratory chipwich...
When I go for my annual physical in May or June, we will see what the Doc has to say about my health...
The Primal approach to eating is really not too revelatory... but then again, it is... cut the crap, (including whole grains ???) cut the starches... and get full from good fats and protein... and put a cool caveman logo on stuff...
Party on,
Tim
gratuitous thread hijack-TIM I WANT MY CHIPWICH!!
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you pretty much got the hang of it...well sort of. yes. if you eat fewer calories than your body requires on a daily basis, then yes, you will lose weight, regardless where those calories are coming from. it you ate all carbs all the time and stored the excess as fat you would still lose weight as long as your caloric intake was lower than your requirements. your body would then get its energy from the stored fat and convert it to energy. HOWEVER, just because you are losing weight it does not mean you are healthy or on the road to being healthy.
and it's not mostly focused on DM, its also cholesterol, heart diesases, autoimmune disorders, cancer, etc. Aside from being a great way to maintain or lose weight, the huge benefit of these diets is that they reduce and help prevent inflammation on a cellular level. These types of diets are jam packed with antioxidants which do a wonderful job at eliminating free radicals from the body. cellular inflammation, along with sustained high blood glucose levels are the culprit for all of the diseases and disorders we are talking about, and grains (breads, pasta, cereal, etc. have no beneficial effect on the body and do an awesome job at contributing to cellular inflammation.
so it's not just about calories in and calories out, its about fueling your body with the nutrients that it needs to NOT ONLY maintain a healthy weight but also allows it to be able to rid the body or free radicals. the body is excellent at maintaining it's homeostatic balance and there is a lot of give in either direction and the mechanisms that our bodies have to maintain this balance are amazing, but the body can only compensate for insufficiencies for so long, and after compensating for months, years, decades of poor choices and lifestyle habits the homeostatic mechanisms are taxed to their limits and as we age the body isn't what is once was when we were younger and things start to break down, which is why its not only about the calories but the QUALITY of the food you put into your body. anyone can read up on WedMD and cut and paste and sound like an expert, but it's not as simple as what you describe! what is simple is changing the way you eat.
i look at is as you either pay now or pay later. you can pay now by making relatively small sacrifices in what you eat by cutting out grains and refined carbohydrates, or pay later on in life by greatly increasing your risk of developing all the health related issues we've touched on in this thread. granted there is not guarantee that you will be disease and cancer free just because you eat a paleolithic style diet, but one thing is for sure, if you dont follow a paleolithic style diet you are almost guaranteed to develeop one or more of the syndrome x diseases.
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on a side note, sisson is almost shooting himself in the foot because like i've mentioned before, if you eat the way he and cordain suggest there is no need whatsoever for any kind of supplementation! your body is getting what it needs and then some of every vitamin and mineral, with exclusion MAYBE of iodine. and like i've also stated before, EVERYONE should be taking a high quality, pharmaceutical grade fish oil (unless you have blood clotting or bleeding issues, or take any medications that prolong your blood clotting like heparin, coumadin/warfarin, etc.) and obviously before you take advice from some idiot on the internet such as myself you should do your own research and talk to your doctor first (that's my disclaimer!)
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Hi Bill,
I wonder about that. Americans ate buckets of carbs and dairy and were not an obese people until a spike that has accelerated since the 70's. Asians have among the highest starch/diet percentages and one of the lowest rates of obesity. Obesity and diabetes rates in the USA have risen almost in tandem. Gastric bybass has shown that the affected lose the obesity and the diabetes without the calories.
Meat is great because it is hard to hit your calorie threshold before you are full. 5 huge chicken legs (drummies and thighs with the skin on) and you haven't cracked 1200 calories. A couple dinky chicken sandwiches at any fast food and your at the same 12 but nowhere near full. Try to eat 1200 calories of seared Ahi....I'm gonna take that back, but the joy goes out of it after 800 :)
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I don't see that. Americans ate buckets of carbs and dairy and were not an obese people until a spike that has accelerated since the 70's. Asians have among the higest starch/diet percentages and one of the lowest rates of obesity. Obesity and diabetes rates in the USA have risen almost in tandem. Gastric bybass has shown that the affected lose the obesity and the diabetes without the calories.
Meat is great because it is hard to hit your calorie threshold before you are full. 5 huge chicken legs (drummies and thighs with the skin on) and you haven't cracked 1200 calories. A couple dinky chicken sandwiches at any fast food and your at the same 12 but nowhere near full. Try to eat 1200 calories of seared Ahi.
coincidentally there was a GIGANTIC change in the 70's when we switched from cane sugar as a sweetener to high fructose corn syrup, AND the 80's was when all that now debunked research came out about fat being bad for you and that you needed to eat more 'complex' carbohydrates, and we are now witnessing the result of that 2-3 decades later. the 80's and 90's were loaded with foods that were touted as being healthy because they were 'FAT FREE'. This made things even worse because we not only removed the fat from foods but also increased our intake of refined carbs. What people dont realize if fat and fiber slow the body's absorption of glucose into the bloodstream. remove the fat and you have a quicker rise in blood sugar and a refractory spike in insulin.
refined, high glycemic carbs are detrimental to your health. back during that time (late 70's/early 80's) the government was trying to come up with new ways to utilize corn since it became such a gigantic crop as a result of subsidizing for farmers. this is how high fructose corn syrup was born. this is when the problems started.
on a side note, before i switched over to pediatrics, i took care of my fair share of post-op gastric bypass patients. there are a lot of risks associated with this surgery. patients are supposed to be screened pre-op to make sure they have tried other diets and methods to lose weight unsuccessfully, go through all kinds of teaching and also have to pass a psychiatric evaluation to make sure they can handle the drastic changes after surgery. i cant tell you how many times patients ended up coming back after they were released from complications either from adhesions, or worse, perforated bowel. i'll never forget the patient who went off the wagon one time at a barbecue shortly after she was released after having gastric bypass and ate an entire hotdog and perf'd her bowel. spent over a month in critical care. hope that hot dog was worth it...
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on a side note, sisson is almost shooting himself in the foot because like i've mentioned before, if you eat the way he and cordain suggest there is no need whatsoever for any kind of supplementation!
Before Mark Sisson was a primal guru he was a supplement manufacturer. Make sense now?
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on a side note, sisson is almost shooting himself in the foot because like i've mentioned before, if you eat the way he and cordain suggest there is no need whatsoever for any kind of supplementation!
Before Mark Sisson was a primal guru he was a supplement manufacturer. Make sense now?
i know that. i'm just saying...but it has nothing to do with why you should be avoiding eating a certain way, just because they guy who wrote the book owns a supplement company, or the fact that he's trying to make a buck selling a book. i've said it before avoiding trying it is like the prone surfer talking trash and ripping on the SUPers, but has never tried SUP himself. it's ignorant.
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Permit me to restate something for the, what is it, 28th time? My point all along is, this is a good diet, I'm following it, and the primal stuff is marketing.
Somehow that gets folks in a froth. You might get great results from wearing a hologram on your wrist. Great. Wear it. But the reason you bought it is marketing. I really, really don't have a problem with that, I made my living doing exactly that. But good results don't change marketing into science. The only reason it matters what Grok ate is that it's a good marketing story.
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ODJ--I don't think anyone's saying to avoid eating primal because someone recommending it sells supplements or makes money off the book--just that it's wise to be aware that that's the situation.
In regard to marketing, it's in everything from selling stuff to dating to politics. Everyone just about always has biases and agendas of some sort. I like seeing it at work. If you go into a store of any major brand--say Apple--you know that everything from the store layout to the uniforms (or lack of) to the music playing (or lack of) to the lighting to the store hours was the result of conscious decisions aimed at attracting people in and getting them to buy stuff. Or, instead of it being a store aimed at selling products, it may be a website aimed at convincing visitors to buy things, or maybe just to believe things.
With anyone making money off diet and nutrition advice or products, it's especially important to be aware of what's going on behind the scenes. There are a lot of people espousing very similar advice, and if you strip away their reasoning and look at what and how they actually recommend eating, the similarities are even greater.
So where I am most wary is when anyone moves beyond the basic "clean eating" advice into recommending very specific foods or very specific ways of eating. To me, that advice has a greater likelihood of being given in order to differentiate that person's advice from other people's advice. It's not that that's always or even usually the case, just that it's important to me to have an awareness of it.
And actually, in the case of the Primal Diet, the fact that it's so basic, flexible, and workable without supplements increases its credibility greatly to me. Its "caveman" premise makes sense to me very generally, but the "grok" stuff does seem played up.
I've learned a lot from your recent posts, ODJ--this thread has really taken off again with the new info.
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ODJ--I don't think anyone's saying to avoid eating primal because someone recommending it sells supplements or makes money off the book--just that it's wise to be aware that that's the situation.
In regard to marketing, it's in everything from selling stuff to dating to politics. Everyone just about always has biases and agendas of some sort. I like seeing it at work. If you go into a store of any major brand--say Apple--you know that everything from the store layout to the uniforms (or lack of) to the music playing (or lack of) to the lighting to the store hours was the result of conscious decisions aimed at attracting people in and getting them to buy stuff. Or, instead of it being a store aimed at selling products, it may be a website aimed at convincing visitors to buy things, or maybe just to believe things.
With anyone making money off diet and nutrition advice or products, it's especially important to be aware of what's going on behind the scenes. There are a lot of people espousing very similar advice, and if you strip away their reasoning and look at what and how they actually recommend eating, the similarities are even greater.
So where I am most wary is when anyone moves beyond the basic "clean eating" advice into recommending very specific foods or very specific ways of eating. To me, that advice has a greater likelihood of being given in order to differentiate that person's advice from other people's advice. It's not that that's always or even usually the case, just that it's important to me to have an awareness of it.
And actually, in the case of the Primal Diet, the fact that it's so basic, flexible, and workable without supplements increases its credibility greatly to me. Its "caveman" premise makes sense to me very generally, but the "grok" stuff does seem played up.
I've learned a lot from your recent posts, ODJ--this thread has really taken off again with the new info.
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i absolutely agree with you. my exposure to a paleo style diet was from cordain, and his books are more science based and no frills stuff (well, his first book was supposedly dumbed down a lot by the publishers because they were afraid it was too science-y for the masses) but what i liked about it was, except the books, he really wasnt pushing, selling or promoting anything, which like you mentioned, gave it more credibility. when i first heard of sisson i was like, this guy is ripping off cordain, and the whole grok thing to me is kind of cheesy, but if it works for him and makes him a buck then more power to him i guess. like you stated, all of these guys are basically saying the same exact thing, with very minor differences, and each has their own set of motives. i just hope most people are educated enough to weed through the crap and marketing b.s. and take from it what they want and use it to their advantage and know that you dont have to buy the ancillary crap that some are trying to push. i am in total agreement when someone starts pushing a particular product or something super specific the consumer should see that as a red flag and do some research to make an educated decision. i skimmed over mark's book and saw some good points in there and its nice to see that book encompasses a heathy lifestyle, not just the diet part. what i have done over the years is take what i like, what i believe in and what works for me from each author and make my own customized routine. i obviously skipped over the part in mark's book about the supplements because i think all of that is bunk, and the one other thing that i disagree with him about is how he states that we supposedly dont need that much water. there really isnt any scientific fact backing that opinion of his. like he states in his book, he has not personally participated in any research and all of his claims are based on the black box method, which means i'll try it and if it works it works, and if not then it doesn't. we dont care why it works, we just know it does. fortunately what he says is the same as cordain, who backs what he says with science, so when i read through (skimmed through) mark's book i could tell the fact from fiction.
it's all basically buyer beware. i am not the kind of person who believes what someone tells me just because they tell me, but not everyone is like that. i like to know why things are what they are, and wish more people were that way.
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I heard an interview (1 hour) with mark and not once did he ever mention supplements. In fact he says in many different places on his blog as well as in his book that if your eating the proper foods you don't need tot be supplementing.
As for the water thing. He was asked a question during the interview about drinking 8 glasses of water a day or so many ounces per pound of weight and his response was " I drink when I'm thirsty" , Pretty common sense like most of his book. Drink water when your thirsty , eat when your hungry , exercise when your body is feeling up to it, rest when your body tells you "you need rest". Get plenty of sleep and play. I like this guy !!!!
I am in no way saying "primal blueprint" is thee only way (eating Paleo is ) . I Just really like Marks common sense and balanced approach to eating properly and exercising wisely. It's very easy to understand and follow. The reason so many people are achieving great results is cause it's repeatable , it's very doable and it works.
You guys can go on all day about marketing and salesmanship ..... who fricken cares !!!! The guy wrote a book and is changing thousands of lives for the better. I find that incredible and if he makes a living doing it more power to him.
I have tried many forms of eating and training in the last 25 years .... this is the first out of all of them that I have gotten these kind of results this fast, and I have never had this much energy .... period.
As for you saying for the 28th time this is a good diet Bill . If you go back and read this thread from the beginning all you did was find excuses not to follow this, NOW your saying it's a great diet ???? WTF !!! you are a pretty wishy washy guy bro.
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As for you saying for the 28th time this is a good diet Bill . If you go back and read this thread from the beginning all you did was find excuses not to follow this, NOW your saying it's a great diet ???? WTF !!! you are a pretty wishy washy guy bro.
Really? Show me. wander back there and just push the quote button. I just wasted five minutes of my life looking for it wondering WTF you were talking about. Not there.
On the other hand I am very wishy washy. When I find I'm wrong about something I change my mind. Happens all the time. So?
Incidentally, SEA, there's probably about a nickel's worth of difference between the two of us. We do the same things, have the same injuries we deal with, eat the same way with just a minor twist--I'm a little less rigorous about it. If you were on the same island we wouldn't be having these discussions here, they'd be in the truck, shuttling for Maliko runs.
In the spirit of that I'll save you the five minutes, here's my first post on this thread:
I get up about 5:00 every morning. I generally cook breakfast, Diane is pretty pleased with that. I'm a good cook, I know most of the basic techniques. Make a mean omelet in the classic french manner. Mostly vegetable omlettes (broccoli, squash, pepper, asparagus all sauted with a tiny bit of chopped ham or Canadian bacon. Grated fresh Parmigiana. Berries and greek yogurt with roasted pecans. Lots of coffee.
If you want a really great bowl of oatmeal try this: peel and slice a granny smith apple thinly, saute it in butter and when it turns soft sprinkle cinnamon on it. Put it in the bottom of a bowl (one apple is enough for two) dump on the cooked oatmeal, add walnuts, yogurt, and a little bit of maple syrup. Like apple pie for breakfast.
I've spent some time on Mark Sisson's site. Pretty good stuff, he's got a huge community of people following his deal. It's very similar to how Tish Berman has me eating, only with a better marketing twist. I do admire good marketing.
I put Tish's fundamental diet stuff on the xtreme Geezer site (http://www.xgeez.com (http://www.xgeez.com)). It's in the magazine embedded into the home page. Scroll about halfway down and you'll see it stuck in there on the right side.
I'm not seeing it buddy.
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Somehow I'm getting reminded of this old joke:
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist? He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord? He said, Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.
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PDX that was rich. You're an endless wealth of great humor.
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Personally i could give a fart what people eat. I juat have a problem when they turn their nose up at eating this way without ever trying it or knowing anything about it inatead of making an informed decosion. You wont hurt my feelings. Everyone is accountable for their own acrions and decisions and in the end youll be the one who has to deal with shitty food choices. I just dont like being the one footing the bill for other people who trash their bodies then expect the taxpayers to take care of them. I always thought health inaurance should be like car insurance. Youre a bad driver you pay more. Youre a fat ass, sedentary and lazy and put crap in your body you should pay more for health insurance. We need to make people more accountable for their actions.
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Headmount--thanks.
There is one other thing with this thread. Some people have said that it's important to have some skepticism, but I'm having a hard time believing that. I'm just not convinced.
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Damn I LOVE FAT. FAT ROCKS and Primal Blueprint equals GREAT living.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/your-brain-and-the-primal-blueprint/#more-20796 (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/your-brain-and-the-primal-blueprint/#more-20796)
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I stand corrected Bill (SORRY) . You do advocate eating primal, and then you advocate eating oatmeal, and drinking wine and a few other things thats what I meant by "wishy washy" . You seem to be advocating a partial primal eating and incorporating other elements which are NOT primal , like eating Oatmeal which is a big NO when eating primal. Nothing wrong with that but it isn't Primal.
This is the point I have been trying to make, that if you say you are eating primal but you are eating oatmeal and maybe brown rice or a couple glasses of wine then you are not following the program, period . You are just eating better and will benefit from that but you will not gain the maximum benefit from this way of eating . This thread was about going primal and talking about the benefits and experiences of people following a primal diet . To me it seems like a few of you just want to say your going primal but yet not really following it. Thats where I get confused and see you on both sides of the fence. Thats cool if thats where you are at. But it ain't Primal.
Sorry for the rant but, DAM !! start a thread on how to eat like the AMA and the Government recommends .... you can call it " GOING PYRAMID " !!! That will be interesting and balanced :(
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Dudes,
Relax. The intent of the thread was to figure out how people were applying the Primal Diet. The thread welcomes those who are going a little bit Primal, a lot Primal, or full on Primal and tries to draw on the experiences of our incredibly diverse community.
The fact that Bill has oatmeal, or the fact I eat cake pops when brought in by a co-worker on Fridays... does not mean that we are not going Primal... it just means that we are trying to strike a certain balance in life. I eat cake pops because they taste ****ing good. Because I do the Primal diet for a vast majority of my calories means that I can eat a cake pop (or even two) every once in a while and not worry too much about it. Bill's apple cinnamon oatmeal sounds pretty tasty as well... I will probably make that for my wife sometime soon... it will be part of my 20 pecent.
I appreciate all of the advice from folks... especially the ones that lead me to the Primal way of eating... but IMO life is about balance.
I am not going to be in any underwear magazines... so the fact that I have a four pack instead of an eight pack is not going to keep me up at night... and I am stoked that I found a way of eating that helps me live a balanced life, without feeling like I am starving myself... that also allows me to lose weight. I hope to get to 175... but won't do it while forsaking everything tasty...
Don't mean to offend... just mean to spread the Aloha of the Primal vibe...
Out,
Tim
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What are these 'cake pops' you speak of and where can i gwt the recipe?!
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Can someone enlighten me on IFing?
Thanks
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ODJ,
Cake + batter... rolled up in a ball... dipped in dark chocolate (or any chocolate I guess)...
Tastes basically like a moist cupcake on steroids!
It's kind of the best thing that I have ever consumed... slightly surpassing the turtle soup at Commander's Palace...
Tim
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Can someone enlighten me on IFing?
Thanks
Google intermittent fasting you will find a lot of good info. Then life begins in a New perspective.
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Can someone enlighten me on IFing?
Thanks
Google intermittent fasting you will find a lot of good info. Then life begins in a New perspective.
Search for robb wolf's take on IF. Last time i checked, which was some time ago, he was a big supporter of IF.
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Ah. Brown rice. I have indeed strayed from the true path. I don't suppose it helps that it was only externally applied?
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Bill,
I am getting some mental pictures and they are not pretty...
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Bill and SEA
The photos you posted are very impressive.
Good job.
Keep the good info coming.
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Found a really interesting article on sugar. May help some who are tempted to wander off the path when the dessert tray rolls by;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1)
It also may answer the question posted somewhere asking if carbs are so bad then why do cultures with a diet heavy on the rice stay lean.
If one wonders why things are a certain way just follow the money.
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Star man, nice link! Well worth the time necessary to read it... All nine pages.
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Star man, nice link! Well worth the time necessary to read it... All nine pages.
Exactly my reaction, Tim. Thanks Starman for posting that. If you are at all interested in this stuff, that is a must-read.
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sugar is sugar, period. is sugar bad? no. your bodiy (especially your brain) requires it and it is the easiest and preferred form of fuel for your body as an energy source. HOWEVER, it is NOT necessarily the type of sugar but the AMOUNT of sugar you consume. consume a large amount of sugar in one sitting and your body immediately uses all it can and turns the rest to fat so it can be used later during times when food is scarce. eat too much sugar and you repeatedly build up your fat stores and never use them because your body will always go toward 'the path of least resistance' and use sugar as an energy source instead of converting fat to energy. if you cut off or limit the steady supply of sugar (sugar in ANY form) you give the body no choice and it had to start tapping fat stores and converting that to energy. plus, like we have already stated, conisistently elevated blood glucose also contributes to so many other chronic health problems (not just diabetes), so it's consumption should be limited.
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Went way primal this weekend... not really... but it looked like something out of The Flintstones... hit a steakhouse with the wife and went for the porterhouse for two... for me... skipped the bread... skipped the potatoes... and went with a lobster, tomato and cucumber salad... (of course I brought half of the steak home and had it with organic eggs this morning)...
The porterhouse was so big that it looked like the slab of meat on the side of Fred's car at the beginning of the Flintstones... MMMM good!
Had a decent weigh in nonetheless... I LOVE eating primal!
Tim
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Looks like Rabbit is not living too primal... wow... push away the bread plate brother!
http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/rip-curl-pro-bells_54454/ (http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/rip-curl-pro-bells_54454/)
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Where are you getting your Beef;
The Perennial Plate Episode 23: Thousand Hills (http://vimeo.com/14122021)
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Have a question for you Primal veterans. BTW, I am solidly on the bandwagon now and have been committed to the PB food plan for the last several weeks. That coupled with more body weight bearing exercising, TRX in the gym (kicks ass) and a lot of SUPing. Also alot of paddling on the surfski......talk about some fast fun and a hell of an upper body workout. The surfski idea came from one of our fellow Zoners over the winter when I was thinking about adding an OC-1. He suggested that if I wanted to focus on my SUP that he would suggest adding the ski rather than the OC as it worked a different stroke but really helped with rotation on the board. It does! And it has really reinforced the balance effort. Try paddling in a side chop in something as narrow as the ski that's more of a pain to remount than the board.
Anyway, I got sidetracked. My question is about tubers. No, not the tubers that you surf. The ones that you eat. Been thinking about adding a sweet potato now and then but have really been trying to stick with the meat/fish, veggie and fruit regimen. I didn't really try this to lose weight as I didn't have that much to lose. Mostly I wanted to reduce my BF which the Primal way has absolutely done. I cannot believe the difference in my body shape as a result of dropping grains. Holy crap, who knew? So how about the tubers for you guys?
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Sweet Potato is the best starchy CARB you can add back into your training program. Just consume majority of it on your training or race days and timing is everything. I wouldn't consume SP postworkout or non workout days if you BF is high. It's still a slow burning starch and it will increase your BF if you don't pay attention to timing. One of the biggest mistakes people do is consume starch at dinner time or at there last meal of the day. It's a big no no if you are trying to decrease your BF.
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Eric,
I can't help you on personal experience on tubers... from everything that I have read, however, I am going to throw some sweet taters in my morning omelette and the day of my next race... it seems that those might be the least harmful / most effective "game day" fuel for folks on a primal plan.
Let us know how it works.
Thanks,
Tim
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SUP NINJA What you wrote about avoiding starches, especially at dinner has been the most helpful element of what I've been doing since the first of the year. Appreciate all the great input.
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Tim, Rabbit is 56 and yeah time is taking it's toll but it's a challenge to deal with slower metabolism as you age. Very few maintain. I have a few old surf pals from down under who were cut in their prime but the beer, ahh the beer. I recognized a while ago that I couldn't rely on only surfing to maintain fitness. Surf is too inconsistent and as you get older you tire of crowds, especially if you've been on as high a level as Rabbit once was. This paddling deal is a savior. I have a good pal my age (60) and height 6' who doesn't even have grey hair, weighs 165 and tows and drops the biggest stuff we have here. Blows my mind but he gives me inspiration. I hope to ride out the duration swimming and paddling. The key is learning the secret word... no ... when I've spent my life saying yes to everything.
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It's tough to strike some kind of balance, and we have to deal with the genes we're dealt. Looking at Victor pisses me off, but I can't complain too much about the tools I was handed. Just have to work harder on the fitness part. That all black hair deal really frosts me though. The only place hair is reliably growing on me is the top of my ears and inside my nose. What's with that?
There isn't any one answer. There's a lot of pleasure to be taken from life, and most of it has to do with having a body that will let you. Limping around dealing with my knee this last week really reminded me of that. But sitting down to a great meal with friends is certainly a fine thing, as is a glass of your favorite beverage. The thing that keeps me on the primal path (or bounces me back to it when I stray) is that it's easy and pleasant. If we were talking about eating only Quinoa and daily floggings then I'd say screw it, but giving up grains (for the most part). Wow, that's not a huge hardship. Though I gotta say, those cheeseburgers in the video above would look really good sitting on a ciabatta roll with a nice old vine Zinfandel.
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Bill (Pono): The burgers on the Chiabata... that is the beauty IMHO of being primal... if you don't get too nutty with it, you can do it once in a while... Working on a nice Chianti right now... really appreciate drinking that particulare wine unaccompanied... really makes me concentrate on the flavors and tones...
Bill (Headmount): So totally agree... I was on the path towards getting large before I started paddling... got up to 215... surfing wasn't as fun as it used to be... then Paddling happened... !!!! At the beginning of the Primal Diet, most folks would have considered me to be in good shape... now, it is just a whole different level. I respect Rabbit and where he has been... and hope that he can discover paddling... and maybe lay off the Fosters... ;)
Ninja's advice has been absolutely critical to me maintaining... Thanks Ninja.
Tim
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So it is a good thing that I LOVE the crab cocktail at Mastro's Ocean Club!
A good rundown of the do's and don'ts in the fish aisle at the super:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/grocery-store-seafood-what-to-eat-and-what-to-avoid/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/grocery-store-seafood-what-to-eat-and-what-to-avoid/)
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Bread
Here's a tasty recipe for a low carb bread.
I made a slightly different variety which was pretty good.
This sounds even better tho'.
http://www.bukisa.com/articles/198584_really-good-lchf-bread (http://www.bukisa.com/articles/198584_really-good-lchf-bread)
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4 months on paleo and down to size 32 . .... Crazy !!! This was taken up at Disneyland !! I'll be 50 next week !!
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OOPs sorry wrong picture
Here it is
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Crazy results! I just spent two hours at my tailor having some suits taken in... Down from a solid 34 to a 32 or under. Stoked.
You've got to stay on top of it though... I just weigh in a few times per week to make sure that I am staying on the right track... and mix in some evening and morning weigh ins as well.
Doing lots and lots of shakes and really mixing up the flavors... putting a LOT of protein in each shake... 1/3 cup of whey protein isolate... one raw organic egg... and 1/4 cup of nuts... my new thing is frozen pomegranite seeds... a little bitter, but a nice bit of fiber... throwing in some organic honey... and some organic spirulina as well (three tablets per shake)... at this point, my shakes are about 700 calories more than likely... but my weight has been steady and I LOVE them as you can vary the flavors so very easily by changing the fruit and cocoa composition.
Crazy what a single dinner roll can do to your system when you are not used to refined carbs....
Tim
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One more quick thing... Mens Journal this month had a quick piece in the health section about once per month daily fasting. Basically GOOD for you, statistically significant positive results!
On that note, knocking out a 24 hour fast as we speak... going to try to get at least one in per month. Just three hours to go... but may turn it into a 36 hour fast if I am feeling energetic tonight.
Be well my primal brothers and sisters.
Tim
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Sea And Strand can I have your guys old shorts I'm a 34.LMAO Great job guys press on fellow GROKERS.
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PM me your address... got some nice Oxbows and O'neills that just don't cut the mustard anymore... they fall down to my knees and cause embarrassment.
Seriously... otherwise, they are going to Goodwill.
Tim
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Hey don't tell it to the folks at US News;
http://health.yahoo.net/articles/weight-loss/best-weight-loss-diets (http://health.yahoo.net/articles/weight-loss/best-weight-loss-diets)
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One more quick thing... Mens Journal this month had a quick piece in the health section about once per month daily fasting. Basically GOOD for you, statistically significant positive results!
On that note, knocking out a 24 hour fast as we speak... going to try to get at least one in per month. Just three hours to go... but may turn it into a 36 hour fast if I am feeling energetic tonight.
Be well my primal brothers and sisters.
Tim
Right on Tim !!!
I must try those shakes. my shakes range from 500 to 700 CAL depending on how much coconut oil I use. I noticed Tim you don't add any oil ? You should try some Virgin coconut oil or hemp seed oil. I use a TBL of each in my morning shake and 2 to 3 raw free range eggs this gives me a huge boost in energy and endurance , great before a long paddle. Also a good Amino acid supplement will help tremendously.
As far as weighing myself goes I have only weighed myself about a month ago . We don't even own a scale in our house. That would drive me crazy. I just go by how my clothes fit and how I look. If I look like I'm putting on a few around the gut I will adjust my daily intake according to how I'm exercising. Some weeks I might only do one workout, Others I might do three ... it all depends on how I'm feeling. I have learned to listen to my body big time and get a lot more rest and relaxation than I ever have. I am by no means exercising a lot. This is the beauty of this way of living ... 80% diet 20% exercise !! It's so easy !!
I am to the point now that I can go to almost any restaurant and order a Paleo meal. Most waiters or chefs are willing to supplement or change the menu. I have had some great meals. So eating this way is not a hassle by any long shot. I can go out and enjoy a good meal with friends and still be refreshed and on fire in the morning !! I love this !!
Keep up the good work Tim it is a good path to be on !!
Aloha
Scotty
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Scotty,
Right on brother! I am even rocking the primal at rubios fish taco... Salmon burrito, no cream sauce... Then just dump it out of the tortilla, grab the onions and cilantro from the salsa bar... BAM!
As for oil, funny that you should say that... I use about 1/8 cup whole coconut milk, plus a tablespoon of organic coconut shavings... So I am getting some oil there... And from the nuts... But I recently started adding a tablespoon of EVOO in each shake...
I just broke the fast so I could work out tonight without my wife yelling at me for taking things too far...
A pretty typical shake... I use the cuisinart 16 oz blender... My magic bullet died last month. I just fill it up... : 4 of the following. Raw cashews, raw walnut halves, raw pecan halves, raw unpeeled filberts, raw almonds, 6 or so raw pistachios, 12 to 20 raw pepitas, 12 to 20 raw sunflower seeds. Then I dump in a tablespoon of cocoa powder, a tablespoon of coconut shavings, a packet of stevia in the raw, a dollop of organic honey, 3 spirulina tablets, two tablespoons or so of whole coconut milk, then fill it with frozen fruit, ( I vary this to change the flavor... But it is always a combo of blue straw rasp and black berries... With a fifth of a banana or so thrown in for flavor... Then I fill up the remaining space with organic unsweetened unflavored almond milk... Blend...drink... Then, because so much mass is left int the cup... I add water and ice... Shake it up and have a glass of ice water flavored like shake... When I am feeling like I need a little extra boost, I will throw a square of dark chocolate in for good measure.
Yes, I am mocked mercilessly for my daily chemistry sessions in the kitchen... All in good fun.
Tim
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Awesome Tim !!! sounds good I will try. These might be great on a race day.
Is your wife on board or are you the Lone ranger in the house ? My wife has been doing this for 3 months and is LOVING it !! It would be a little hard for me if she was not on board. I definitely go overboard on everything I do so with the Primal thing , she is all good :)
I was in LA last week. They said there were waves , did you get some of that swell? How big was it ?
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Got out three days... Fun but not big.
Wife is supportive, but not into it...
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Here is a question for SEA, what kind of workouts, in addition to the diet, are you pulling down to look like that. Let me know, as I'm getting ready to start this thing.
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I am going by what Mark Sissons premises in his Book Primal Blue Print. He says that 80% of our fat loss and Muscle toning will come from our diet (the things we put in our body) 20% of fat loss and muscle toning will come from exercise. I adhere to his diet strictly and have not strayed at all in 4 months which means I get all my carbs from vegetables , nuts and seeds. I keep my carb intake to between 50 to 75 grams a day Approx ....... I don't realy count but I have a good idea of what I'm eating.
With that said he also is a proponent of getting A LOT of rest (8 hours of sleep) and relaxation time (Play ... ex: Paddle surf, play golf, soft ball).
He believes that most people who exercise lift weights 3 times a week and do cardio for 45 minutes 5 times a week are putting an enormous amount of stress on your bodies and are actually killing yourselves by constantly stressing your immune system and never giving your body a chance to recover. Which means your body has to work harder to shed pounds.
Why I am I telling you this ? Cause I was that guy exercising every day and lifting lots of weights 10 years ago. And I never got the results I am getting today. And I was always getting sick or felt tiered and hungry.
You really have to buy Primal Blueprint read it and then you will have a good grasp of why and how this system works . Not to mention the science behind the exercise philosophy.
Here is the exercises I should be doing ........ I don't always do them as often as I should. I have no set days to do any of these exercises, I just listen to my body and exercise accordingly. If I'm tiered I'll rest. If I have a ton of energy I'll work out and do sprints , it all depends on my body.
Sprints Once a week or every 10 days : 8 each - 6o yards (full sprint) then rest for about 1.5 minutes then repeat 8 times.
Body weight exercises
Push ups 2 sets untill failure
Pull ups 2 sets untill failure (I can't do a whole lot so I use A TRX strap system as well)
Front Planks 2 sets : Goal is to do 2 minutes each Plank
Side planks , left and right side : Goal 2 minutes on each side
Squats with just body weight 2 sets: Goal is to do 100 continuous squats each set.
overhead press 2 sets till Failure
If you can do this 2 times a week you are doing good. Most of the time I get once a week in.
I also use a TRX they are straps that I hang from my pull up bar to do stomach exercises while I hang from the bar. I do these whenever I feel like it. If I have some energy that day I will do some exercises , if not I rest.
Also Mark Sisson says you should do 3 or 4 times a week of low impact cardio for 45 min to an hour at 55% to 70% max heart rate. However I'm lucky if I get 2 in a week.
I do High Intensity Training or HIT once or twice a week , most of the time its once a week. I do 20 seconds of an exercise and then rest 10 seconds and then do 20 seconds and rest 10 seconds I do this 8 times in a set which is 4 minutes total. I'll rest for 2 minutes and do another set of 8 doing another exercise.
Example In first set I'll do Jumping jacks , Rest for 2 minutes and then do Kettle bell swings for a total of 8 minutes of training. Believe it or not the science says just 4 minutes of HIT training or another name for it is Tabata , will increase your metabolism for 31 hours !! here is a video of a 4 minute workout. Very effective and burns fat like crazy.
4-min Workout Tabata Interval: Kettlebell Swings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtgRcqaOqDo&feature=fvst#ws)
You can find all the videos of the body weight exercises here at this link..
GOOD LUCK. Sorry for the long post :(
http://www.youtube.com/user/MarksDailyApple (http://www.youtube.com/user/MarksDailyApple)
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OOPs sorry wrong picture
Here it is
Dangerous week to say that. We have been running around the house saying Schwartz and Feinstein are calling Weiner out of his office in funny voices (alright, funny to us).
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Good One :))
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Thanks SEA. I'll get the book and read it for more help, but it's great to hear that you don't need to spend 35 hours in the gym pounding away to get some great results. To all of the others. This may have been answered a while back, but how does this work for a long term goal? Who on here has been doing this the longest and how good is it working? From what I can see here, the results seem great.
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Then again I would be on the watch for what SEA was talking about workouts cause the other night he just was telling me he was also do the Danny Ching workouts.LMAO ;D
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SHHH Ninja ..... didn't you hear if Danny keeps training like that he won't be winning much more races !!! LMAO !!!! He needs to use the Bigger noodles then he's SPOT ON !! :))
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Thanks SEA. I'll get the book and read it for more help, but it's great to hear that you don't need to spend 35 hours in the gym pounding away to get some great results. To all of the others. This may have been answered a while back, but how does this work for a long term goal? Who on here has been doing this the longest and how good is it working? From what I can see here, the results seem great.
Once you understand what you can and can't eat and find out what food balance works for you it is a no brainer. I spent a week at Disneyland and ate primal every day, of course it was not free range beef , chicken or eggs but I was able to eat the way I needed at all the places I went.
As far as working out goes ..... this way of working out is totally sustainable into our 80's as you mostly use body weight. As you can see you don't have to kill yourselves to maintain good physical health.
My friends son is in the military and goes to Afghanistan often. He has been eating primal for over 4 years and he said his son eats that way even out in the field. They buy lamb from the locals and cook it on the BBQ. Anyway he has been doing it that long and he is in TOP physical shape and is an animal. Mark Sisson has been doing this for more than 15 years and look at him. So I see no problem staying on this for life , I know My wife and I will be. We feel SO much better and are way more healthy so it's a no brainer.
Good Luck my friend and Hang in there the first few weeks is the hardest but once your body adjusts to getting it's energy from fat and not Starch your energy level will increase tremendously. Let us know how your doing. Ask questions.
Go to www.marksdailyapple (http://www.marksdailyapple) .com for a TON of information.
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I'm going out to the grocery store this weekend, and will be starting in full on Monday I'm sure I'll be on here with questions, so be prepared..
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Lakesurfer,
Amazon is a great source for the more exotic oils and nuts... and protein powder.
Thanks,
Tim
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How primal are nut butters? Had some peanut butter in a pinch today, and while I know peanuts aren't considered primal, what about almond butter, ect ?
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How primal are nut butters? Had some peanut butter in a pinch today, and while I know peanuts aren't considered primal, what about almond butter, ect ?
Almond butter is 100% primal, since it's just ground up almonds. You can make it yourself in a food processor.
My initial observations on “going primal”:
- I agree that Mark's book is not just a diet but a lifestyle. I think most Zoners are already getting outdoors, exercising, etc., so I focus on the dietary aspects. Not "diet" so much, which carries a number of negative connotations, including most notably unsustainability, but "dietary." Maybe it's best to label these the book's "food" aspects.
- There are a few things that really strike me about eating primal. First, it’s pretty easy to do. Sure, there are times when I miss bread, but overall, eating steak, chicken, fish, bacon and whole eggs doesn’t feel like a whole lot of sacrifice.
- Second, I am amazed at how less “hungry” I feel, even as compared to when I was eating whatever I wanted to excess. I am eating less calories and yet feeling less hungry. And when I do get hungry, it comes on slowly and never seems too alarming. I might start to feel a little hungry, but if I need to wait an hour to eat, it’s not a big deal. Eating the “regular” way, I would be pretty salty having to wait even 30 minutes to eat, much less an hour.
- Third, my energy level seems just fine as compared to eating the “regular” way. I’m not sure I have “more” energy (the current great summer weather could be the cause of that), but there is no doubt that the afternoon post-lunch “lull” is gone.
- I am not sure that staying 100% primal will work in connection with sustained endurance sport activities, whether during or in recovery. If I am out on my bike or on a board for a couple hours, I’m still going to carry some Clif Bloks or use an energy drink of some sort to stave off the bonk. And I’ll probably still pour a scoop of recovery formula in with the protein powder when I’m recovering. I’m willing to risk the added carbs during and immediately after a long, sustained workout.
- Despite claims in the book (and its citations) that eating loads of red meats, whole eggs, etc. won’t put your cholesterol through the roof, I think it’s a good idea to get yourself checked out after you’ve gone primal for awhile. Personally, I am not too worried, since my cholesterol checks out fine regardless of what I eat (including a streak where my diet consisted primarily of Taco Bell, Panda Express and KFC), but everyone is different so better to be safe than sorry here.
So far, I am a believer!
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I agree completely refthimos...
I have been putting in some pretty significant miles on the bike (on the trainer and with my son on the weekends...), in addition to the usual three to five hour standup surf sessions... and I have added some carbs to the diet solely to avoid the bonk...
Throw some bars in the jersey... eat a banana before a big ride... tape some gu packs to the bottom of my seat... etc.
The last thing that I want is to be on Angeles Crest Highway... halfway between Wrightwood and Glendale jonesing for some carbs... (that is my good son's plan to kill me this weekend... a century with a few vertical feet of climbing... )
Be well.
Tim
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Having admitted to throwing some bars and gu in the back of the jersey... I am not abandoning the Primal diet framework... but old habits die hard... maybe one of these days I will be comfortable enough to just throw some baggies full of nuts and some power balls in the jersey...
But when you are 46, riding on the rivet, your heartbeat has been above 180 for the last fifteen minutes and you have a few hundred more vertical feet to climb on the penultimate climb... and junior is giving you "the look" (the Lance to Jan "look" at the bottom of the Alp de Huez in the 2001 TDF... it basically said... "I am going... can you catch me?" the answer was, "No, no I cannot.")... doubts can creep into your head and your body can play tricks on you to try to get you to slow down... one of those tricks is the "mental" bonk... essentially I am admitting that the gu and bars (the all natural Laramar bars) are likely placebos...
Quick pic of J-man (Joel) and I post ride last weekend... I like to tease him... "Is Liquigas even in the tour this year???"
Tim
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Hey Refthimos
Some pretty good observations. I have been doing this for 6 months and I agree that it easy to stick to this way of eating, I have noticed the longer you stay primal and REALY follow the prescribed way of eating by only getting your carbs from "good " sources like your vegetables and nuts and are getting 60% of your calories from good fat, then it seems like endurance is not an issue.
I have been doing more distance races (stand up) this summer and also stand up surfing. If I have a Huge shake in the AM before a race maybe 2 hours before, then I have no need for any supplements during the race. I think after 6 months my body has completely gone over to efficiently using good fat stored in my liver and converting this to energy. I might drink some coconut water before a race , but thats it.
On the 4th of July race here on the north shore we did a 4 mile all out sprint , it was a fun race and there was 540 entrants. I had a BIG shake in the am at 7 am , did the race at 11 am. both my wife and I stayed at the event till 3:30 and ate nothing and both of us were fine till we got home. Do the same when Surfing and can paddle 3 or 4 hours and all we eat is a Big shake.
This is what our shake has
4 raw eggs
2 oz of coconut milk
2 oz of coconut oil
1 oz hemp seed oil
one scoop of unflavored protein powder
Nano greens
handfull of blue berries
6 oz Almond milk unsweetend
Good to GO !!!
load up organic Grass fed beef and maybe some purple sweet potatoe (don't need much) for a few days before a Longer paddle like 10 miles will help considerably.
Everyones body is different so this works for me , however we all have to play around with the amount of good fat and carbs untill you feel solid and no fatigue during an endurance type situation. You want to have it figure out way before you start a race.
I have noticed that the day after a race I have virtually no stiffness or pain. I believe the food we eat has a huge part in our bodies recovery , and this way of eating enables your body to just keep going. I love it !!
Good luck and I hope you continue with this way of life for a while and give it a chance. If done correctly it will work for EVERYONE , this has been proven over and over again. Check it out at
www.marksdailyapple.com (http://www.marksdailyapple.com)
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Look, this SUP thing and this primal thing is a pretty amazing one-two combo.
I sup on my small SUPs a few times per week... get out on Candi when there is no swell, and one night a week ride on the trainer for an hour... for the last month or so, I have been riding on Sundays with my son... 40-50 miles or so...
So, I was a little bit concerned about the weekend ride. The route. Park at San Gabriel basin in Duarte, ride over to Eagle Rock, ride up Angeles Crest Highway... climb for roughly 40 miles... then down San Gabriel Canyon Road to the car.
Here's the stat's: 9200 vertical feet of climbing, 94 miles, eleven rated climbs (UCI rating), one Cat 1, two Cat 2s, one cat 3, one cat 4, and FIVE cat 5s.
Rode with my son's group which includes the 2011 California Road Race Champion, and several Cat 1 riders... including a guy training for Paris Brest Paris
Monster TMR primal shake in the morning, Home made nut and dried fruit mix, four Laramar bars, one Welch's Grape juice emergency can taped under my seat and a banana... with four Gu packs just in case.
Six and a half hours later... the feet hurt like hell... the thighs were a bit squishy... the shoulders were a bit sore, but I was trading paint with the boys on the final descent. Not too much paint scraping in some parts though, as the top speed was 50.4 MPH (not KPH)
There is no way that a human being should be able to do this without significant and dedicated training... The thigh workout on the SUP is amazing... that's all I can say.
I should not have been out there... I was not in the kind of shape to do that ride...but I wanted to spend the day with my son... and make sure that he didn't take foolish risks on the descent.... But regular SUP plus a good diet... and you can do just about anything...
It's the next day and if there were waves, I would be surfing today... there aren't, so I went for a ride with my wife... Loving SUP and the Primal lifestyle.
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Quick update, max speed for the day was the first big descent from Cloudburst summit... didn't seem as fast, but the road was wider and the turns were more "sweeping..." Anyway, 63.2 MPH.
Best part of the day? Hug from my 17 year old when we crested Cloudburst Summit at 7200 feet after four hours of climbing.
Primal diet + SUP + pride= you can do just about anything!
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Dang, this thread keeps on going! Cool!!!
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Hey Tim, how is your eating after the long rides? I am a long time roadie and have really had to cut back on the riding since working on the PB way of life. The riding triggers that all day grazing type of eating where I crave carbs and, well......just about any food. I know that I burn an ungodly amount of calories on a long ride but feel that the style of eating afterwards is counterproductive. Curious how this affects someone else.
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Can you be an endurance athlete and primal ??
Yes !! here are two good articles for you. bear in mind these articles are assuming you are adhering to a TOTAL paleo way of eating and getting 60% of your calories from fat. Good solid info below
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/jonas-colting/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/jonas-colting/)
Applying the primal blueprint principals for endurance training
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-endurance-training/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-endurance-training/)
Here are a ton of articles on paleo diet and endurance training.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/search-results/?cx=004987908667488763946%3Akd-fp2c7jek&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=endurance+paleo+diet&siteurl=www.marksdailyapple.com%2F (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/search-results/?cx=004987908667488763946%3Akd-fp2c7jek&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=endurance+paleo+diet&siteurl=www.marksdailyapple.com%2F)
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Hey Tim, how is your eating after the long rides? I am a long time roadie and have really had to cut back on the riding since working on the PB way of life. The riding triggers that all day grazing type of eating where I crave carbs and, well......just about any food. I know that I burn an ungodly amount of calories on a long ride but feel that the style of eating afterwards is counterproductive. Curious how this affects someone else.
Eric,
A long tough ride really triggers the eat reflex... not sure if it is my body craving it... or my mind saying, "It's okay... you can eat carbs buddy..."
The key for me is to have an AWESOME TMR Primal Shake ready for when I am done... about 800 calories of pure protein and fat... (With a little chunk of banana and some blueberries inside) when I do that, the hunger spike is really lessened.
I make it before I ride... so that I won't be tempted to graze when I get back... and it is the first thing that I eat. If I don't do that... big problem!
Good luck and I will post up my progress here... I wanted to go primal on my last ride and leave the placebos at home ... but it was just too isolated and there was too much climbing without any support... you know the games that your head plays with you on a really long climb...
My next century will be less isolated and I will try to go primal. My riding partner is going to Catalina for three weeks of sailing, mountain biking, and diving... so I am on my own for a few weeks.
What specifically are you experiencing?
Tim
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Ummm... is beer primal? at all? I mean any?
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Ummm... is beer primal? at all? I mean any?
Primal BP law #9 AVOID STUPID MISTAKES
Primal BP law #10 USE YOUR BRAIN.
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I keep it simple: eat when im hungry and dont overeat and stay hydrated!!!
Breakfasts - cage free eggs, toast w organic chunky pb, banana, berries
Lunches - tunafish, sardines, salads, sweet potatoes,
Dinners - fish, rice, beans, salad, pasta, brocoli w red sauce, some pasta, breakfast for dinner
Snacks - fruit, nuts, dark chocolate, protein shake, popcorn
Drink - water, crystal light, organic coffee, green tea, seltzer water w lime
i eat little sugar, sodium or milk products and no meat...im officially called a pesca-ovatarian as in I eat fish and eggs.
works for me i think
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Here is what a week in Mark Sissons (author of "Primal Blueprint" ) life looks like. This is not hard and definitely not brain science. EVERYONE can live this way and still enjoy dinner with friends and eat out once in a while. Notice his menus will not break the bank !!
Sunday
7:00 AM – Big cup of coffee (always French press, Starbucks – anything extra bold) always with heavy whipping cream and a teaspoon of sugar. Read paper, did Sunday Sudoku and Crossword (Primal Law #10 “use your brain”).
9:00 AM - Breakfast: Three scoops of Vanilla Crčme Primal Fuel with ice cubes and water in a blender in anticipation of a big Ultimate game.
10:00 AM - Two hours of Ultimate (Frisbee). Warmed-up with some easy runs and throws, and then chose sides for 7-on-7 game. Great game (rained a bit during it) and excellent workout. Most fun I have all week. Probably did 20 full-out sprints of 40+ yards, with lots of stop and go or side-to-side mixed in. My team lost 25-21, mostly due to throwing errors. I always play in VFF Treks (Treks have more grip for grass than most other VFFs).
12:30 PM – Back home after game, stood in unheated pool up to mid-thigh (high 50’s – low 60’s temp) for 10 minutes. It’s part of my new repair and restore program.
1:00 PM – Lunch: Four egg omelet with onions, cheese, and red peppers, mineral water.
4:00 PM – Snack: Handful of macadamia nuts (20ish). Macs are the only nuts I eat anymore – they are so superior to all others.
7:00 PM – Dinner: One pound of ground lamb mixed with sautéed onions and peppers, steamed asparagus spears drenched in butter. 2 glasses cabernet sauvignon. Didn’t quite finish the lamb, but Buddha made quick work of the rest.
10:30 PM – Bed
Monday
6:30 AM - Big cup of coffee, read newspaper, did crossword.
7:30 AM – Work
9:30 AM – Breakfast: 4-egg omelet at desk.
10:30 AM – Gym: 3 sets of: 30 reverse rows + 40-50 pushups (with one minute walk/rest between sets)
3 sets of: 12 wide grip pullups + 15 parallel bar dips (one minute walk/rest between sets)
3 sets of: 10 narrow parallel grip pullups + 15 easy dumbbell curls to overhead press @ 25 pounds
2 sets of shoulder rehab stuff (circles, front raises, side raises, etc., with light dumbbells)
11:15 AM – Work
1:00 PM – Lunch: Big-ass salad. Mixed greens, cherry tomatoes, avocado, red bell peppers, browned slivered almonds, large dollop of tuna, dressing with EVOO as base. Ate at desk.
4:00 PM – Snack: Handful of cherries.
5:15 PM - One hour session with Michelle, my pilates/yoga/stretch guru, holding long, easy hip-opening poses.
7:30 PM – Dinner: 1 glass cabernet, 10 ounces grilled Bison “New York Cut”, 2 cups of Brussels sprouts with Hazelnuts (p. 142 PB Cookbook), 1 more glass cabernet, wedge of artisanal cheese.
8:30 PM – Game of Scrabble with son Kyle.
10:30 PM – Bed
Tuesday
6:30 AM – Big cup of coffee, caught up on news, crossword.
7:30 AM – Work
9:00 AM - Breakfast: Three scoops of Chocolate Primal Fuel with ice cubes and water in a blender. No easier way to get 30 grams of protein and a bunch of healthy coconut sat fat.
9:30 AM – Gym: 20 minutes on Precor stationary bike, started easy, gradually increasing resistance until maximum effort at 20th minute. Easy 2 minute recovery spin, then started 8 reps of: 20 seconds at max effort (high resistance and 110+ rpms) with 40 second easy spin rest between sets (lower rpms and a few notches down in resistance). Drenched. Grok squatted for a few minutes after. Went home and stood in the cold pool for 10 minutes.
10:30 AM – Work
1:00 PM – Lunch at local restaurant. Giant pork chop with mushroom sauce and asparagus tips, iced tea.
2:00 PM - Weather was awesome, couldn’t avoid going out for 1.5 hour stand-up paddle session. Should probably have worked, but my friend Eric and the board beckoned. OK. Shouldn’t have worked if my goal is truly to have more fun.
4:50 PM – Snack: Handful of macadamias.
8:00 PM – Dinner: 14 giant shrimp, each dipped in melted butter (maybe my favorite dinner). Steamed broccoli (same butter). 1 glass chardonnay (Sonoma Cutrer). A few pieces of 85% dark chocolate.
11:00 PM – Bed
Wednesday
6:45 AM – Big cup of coffee, caught up on news, crossword, Sudoku.
7:30 AM – Work
9:30 AM – Breakfast: Three scoops of Vanilla Primal Fuel with ice cubes and water in a blender.
9:45 AM – Hiked up Puerco Canyon with wife Carrie and Buddha (my Yellow Lab, if you hadn’t gathered that by now). I wore a 20-pound weight vest to equalize the effort (she’d had an emergency appendectomy 10 days earlier. 1:15 up and back. 10 minute cold soak in pool to mid-thigh.
11:30 AM – Work
1:00 PM – Lunch: Big-ass salad, with cold shrimp left over from dinner as protein source.
4:20 PM – Snack: Half-tin of sardines.
6:00 PM – Dinner: Chicken and fennel stew (PB Cookbook page 84)
7:30 PM – 90-minute deep tissue massage, which I try to get once a week.
10:00 PM – Bed
Thursday
6:20 AM – Big cup of coffee, caught up on news, crossword, Sudoku.
7:30 AM – Work
9:30 AM – Breakfast: Four egg omelet with the works. Basically, very low carb.
9:45 AM – Gym: Repeat Monday’s workout, adding 50 deep air squats to second series (so x 3) and 90-second planks to third series.
11:15 AM – Work
12:00 PM – Business lunch: Half a free-range chicken and steamed spinach at local restaurant. Admit that I picked at a few potatoes, too.
4:20 PM – Snack: Handful of macadamias.
7:30 PM – Dinner: 1-2 ounces cheese, Kale salad, grass-fed beef rib eye, steamed broccoli drenched in butter. 2 glasses syrah. Who needs desert!
10:00 PM – Bed
Friday
More good food, easy hike up Bush Canyon.
Saturday
More good food, took day off to attend Los Angeles Fitness Expo. Just like the circus only wilder.
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SEA--this is great to see--nothing better than seeing the exact info--just like seeing athletes' exact training schedules is helpfu because it takes the guessing away. I got the Primal Cookbook at the library recently and now am reading the Primal Blueprint. The books are helpful even for people who follow his website.
The one thing that stands out to me in regard to making this tough to follow closely isn't the meals or exercise, but time. His schedule doesn't have much time for working, or for all the other necessities that take time--paying bills, shopping, chores, etc.
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I hear you Mike. My wife and I both work 5 days a week and are raising a 10 year old daughter and keeping track of our 21 year old daughter. So I understand your concern, however it is not any harder to make a meal paleo , in fact it's easier to me. Last night I pan fried some grass fed beef and wiped up a Big ass salad took me 25 minutes to make a killer meal. Also sauteed some onions and mushrooms in New zealand butter and smothered the steaks with it ..... dam that was good. Morning time If i'm in a rush I make a big shake (4 or 5 raw eggs) that I posted a page or two back, that takes about 5 minutes to make. Omelets in a cast iron pan with lots of butter is super fast. It's just getting used to planning and preparing a meal for the FAM. No different than any other meal. If eating out it is almost guaranteed I can find or have the chef make or substitute rice or potatoes for some steamed veggies or sauteed veggies. Once you get in the groove it's second nature. We have not eaten at a fast food restaurant in 6 month !! And our food budget has not changed much cause we don't consume all kinds of food, just certain ones.
So as far as time goes ?? It's no different than buying and preparing food like we all have been doing for a long time, just buying and making different type meals. IMHO it's quicker and we spend less time in the kitchen.
My wife loves cooking the meals out of the paleo cook books cause they are fast and easy !!
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SEA--I agree completely as far as food goes. It's the rest of life that gets in the way. His schedule shows basically a part-time job. If you double or triple those hours, plus add in chores, etc. it cuts into the exercise and relaxing time quite a bit. He does have some undesignated time built in that could go to errands, paying bills, etc. but not much. Time is always the issue for me :(
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I understand what you are saying. I exercise 20 minutes a day 3 times a week and on the weekends we paddle a lot or go hiking, but life gets in the way definitely. I don't exercise at a gym , my back yard is the gym so I get my licks in whenever I can. Even if you do 30 push ups 2x and squats until you can't do anymore in your office at lunch or at a small break in the day is better than nothing. Even on my busiest days I can get in something small. It's like the Nike add says "just do it" you can find 20 minutes 3 times a week ??
Remember 80% of fat loss and getting a fit body comes from diet and 20% comes from exercise . So you don't have to do much to get a lean , mean , fit body. Just do mostly body weight exercises and maybe some High Intensity Training 2 or 3 times a week and you'll be good to go !!
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I've noticed that heavy exercise can trigger ketosis in hours not days. So there may some benefit in exercising sooner rather than later after ingesting carbs to maximize time in fat burn mode?
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Been SUPing for almost 2 years now and over the last year, weight dropped from 190 to 176. As I gained more upper body muscle, weight gradually rose to 179 and where I hit a plateau. I had been limiting white rice but was still indulging in diet drinks, coffee, sugary treats, occasional fast foods, local plate lunches.
Three weeks ago, I had a conversation with Punipaka about the Primal Lifestyle and decided to give it a try. I've been sticking to the diet part about 90-95%, still tough to find organic but I've eliminated grains, sugars, processed food and drinks and replaced it with lots of nuts, fruits, vegetables, meat, seafood, and water.
Got on the scale today, 172.6 lbs, 6.4 pounds in a little over 3 weeks, with no limitations to amount of food eaten. As for my paddling sessions, I've had mixed results. Half the sessions were great, the best paddling session ever when it comes to overall endurance and strength. There have been a couple days though where I hit the wall earlier than expected. I'm learning that on this type of eating, I need to make sure that I have some good carbs before I paddle for glycogen storage. Been trying to eat a primal breakfast before a morning paddle and fruit and nuts before an afternoon paddle. I also got some sweet potato that I'll be adding to the meals.
Started incorporatin some weights the other day for heavy lifting. This in addition to my weekly paddle session should be right in line with my sprinting and heavy lifting.
This lifestyle is life changing. I'm excited about the positive changes ahead!
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Paleo since 12/10....47 yrs old, 160lbs, 8%BF...best condition ever!
Quick and easy recipe...
Organic skinless chicken breast
- in this order
garlic powder
oregano
sliced organic tomatoes
dried basil
cover with organic bacon (2-4 slices)
Pyrex dish covered with foil
400 degrees for 40 minutes
ENJOY! ;D
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Been SUPing for almost 2 years now and over the last year, weight dropped from 190 to 176. As I gained more upper body muscle, weight gradually rose to 179 and where I hit a plateau. I had been limiting white rice but was still indulging in diet drinks, coffee, sugary treats, occasional fast foods, local plate lunches.
Three weeks ago, I had a conversation with Punipaka about the Primal Lifestyle and decided to give it a try. I've been sticking to the diet part about 90-95%, still tough to find organic but I've eliminated grains, sugars, processed food and drinks and replaced it with lots of nuts, fruits, vegetables, meat, seafood, and water.
Got on the scale today, 172.6 lbs, 6.4 pounds in a little over 3 weeks, with no limitations to amount of food eaten. As for my paddling sessions, I've had mixed results. Half the sessions were great, the best paddling session ever when it comes to overall endurance and strength. There have been a couple days though where I hit the wall earlier than expected. I'm learning that on this type of eating, I need to make sure that I have some good carbs before I paddle for glycogen storage. Been trying to eat a primal breakfast before a morning paddle and fruit and nuts before an afternoon paddle. I also got some sweet potato that I'll be adding to the meals.
Started incorporatin some weights the other day for heavy lifting. This in addition to my weekly paddle session should be right in line with my sprinting and heavy lifting.
This lifestyle is life changing. I'm excited about the positive changes ahead!
Takeo,
You mean to say you gave up Sushi completely? :o Nice to see you givng Primal living a try. Train smarter not Harder!
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The primal thing is spreading into the pet world also. I was in the pet food store getting some chow for Cali the SUP dog, and noticed that there are some companies out there who are marketing a "primal" style of dog food. This may be more targeted at the dog owners than the pets themselves, but the ingredients seem like they are actually really good.
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SUP NINJA,
Brah, off da rice for 4 weeks. Even went sushi bar last night and had to eat a piece of salmon instead, didn't want to waste money on rice that would get thrown away! My friends all had these massive desserts at Sansei's in Waikoloa, my insulin spiked just looking at them!
Dropped down to 171 lbs, 8 lbs in 4 weeks. Did my first Intermittent Fast last week for 24 hours, that was interesting.
For those of you out there who are looking to increase your paddling speed and endurance...and have a few pounds to lose, do it! There's no way I'd be able to shave a pound or two off my open ocean boards without sanding down to the carbon, so instead, I lost 19 pounds. Gonna try to hit the 160 range without compromising muscle loss and strength.
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Lakesurfer...
My dog Maximus Decimus Meridius is primal... he has lots of allergies and a sensitive stomach. Once we switched to the primal food, his gas is almost nonexistent... and he does not get sick to his stomach... Frenchies are known for their stomach sensitivity... he is LOVING the primal lifestyle!
Tim
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We ended up buying some of the dog food for Cali, and she really likes it and it seems to be working well for her. We'll get her a big bag, now that we know it's alright and give it a great shot I'm starting to get the hang of the primal diet, and have been able to start some short sprints and short runs, which is something that my knees and wind didn't take well before. Spring SUP/surf season next year is going to be great!!
Completely unrelated, but are any wives doing the primal diet wih you guys? What are their results if they are?
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Here's a primal restaurant
No bread, pasta or sugar: Stone Age-style restaurant serves only food that was available to our caveman ancestors
At first glance, Berlin's Sauvage restaurant looks much like many of the German capital's other trendy eateries.
But take a closer look at the chalkboard out front and you'll discover they are embarking on a culinary shake-up that takes its inspiration from the Stone Age.
Proudly announcing a 'Real Food Revolution - Paleolithic cuisine!', there is no cheese, bread or sugar available, only fare accessible to our hunter-gatherer ancestors more than two million years ago.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055067/Back-Stone-Age-Trendy-restaurant-serves-food-available-caveman-ancestors.html#ixzz1cJSbkgNe (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055067/Back-Stone-Age-Trendy-restaurant-serves-food-available-caveman-ancestors.html#ixzz1cJSbkgNe)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055067/Back-Stone-Age-Trendy-restaurant-serves-food-available-caveman-ancestors.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055067/Back-Stone-Age-Trendy-restaurant-serves-food-available-caveman-ancestors.html)
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Recently watched the doc "Forks Over Knives" on Netflix. Worth a watch regardless of your dieting view point. Stats can always be presented to support either side (eat meat/don't eat meat), but I do believe in much of what is presented in the film. Not going veggie anytime soon, but I've been making a conscious effort to focus on whole foods from lots of plants.
Forks Over Knives - Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ijukNzlUg#ws)
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good stuff Rolo-now go watch Food Inc or Supersize me!
I too am trying to give up the crap i was raised on-its a long slow process-i love sugar!
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Reading over this thread is definitely inspiring. Being someone who has lost a lot of weight (287 to 185), my diet is something I for sure take more seriously. Unfortunately, I am a pastry chef, and have to taste most of what I make. I have cut most of the bad snacks out and am sticking with nuts (almonds, pecans, walnuts) and dried fruits. I stay full longer and feel better.
I'm going to try to get a little more primal, but giving up beer (love of my life) is not going to happen. Stay happy and healthy!
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I've been going with the 80/20 philosophy for a while and realized that the 20 is still kind of killing me a bit. woke up this morning and the wife asked if I wanted a diet coke when she ran out. I figured , what the heck, and told her I'd take one. She forgot and I felt like I was going to go nuts. Had a big glass of water and calmed down, but realized that the 20% wasn't good carbs or whole grains, but diet coke, snickers, ect. I think I'm just in bad need of a session. ;D
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THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF JUST ONE BITE
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gateway-foods-the-slippery-slope-of-just-a-bite/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gateway-foods-the-slippery-slope-of-just-a-bite/)
The holidays are coming and with them the food. Maybe with Halloween come and gone, the season is already upon you in your social/work/family circles. Beyond the actual meals themselves, there are the umpteen parties, open houses, potlucks, lunches, brunches, happy hours, coffee hours, bake sales, soup suppers, and bazaars – as well as the continual conveyer belt of office/shop/home display of every sweet and savory (mostly sweet) treat known to humankind. As fun as it all is, the holidays can be a seasonal equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle – a festively decorated abyss where good intentions get swallowed along with the latest Martha Stewart recipe.
READ the rest of this article:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gateway-foods-the-slippery-slope-of-just-a-bite/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gateway-foods-the-slippery-slope-of-just-a-bite/)
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Boy, I'm feeling that. Time to get real again. I consider myself "doing the Primal diet" but I'm in the 80/20 class for sure, and with the more sedentary lifestyle getting Ke Nalu paddles going and the cold weather in Hood River nudges me towards, I'm feeling a bit flabby.
Time to HTFU and get ready for a good year.
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i have greased the rails of my fatness-slippery slope sled with butter flavored Crisco and bacon grease and am now stand up paddling/hang tenning down Fatness Hill!
January i plan to jump off and face plant to knock some sense into me-i gotta lose 10-15 so i can buy a new 8-4 to 8-6 next summer-my wife said if i lose it i get a new stick!
Not into beer but good lord i love Ben and Jerrys Phish Food!!
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On the plus side, Mike's Ice Cream in Hood River (world's coolest Ice Cream store) closed on Halloween as they traditionally do. They give away all their ice cream on Halloween to the trick-or-treaters.
So I got that going for me. Their french roast ice cream is spectacular. Also the Butter Pecan but fortunately they don't have that very often.
(http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/6/2/6/1/3/ar124314006631626.jpg)
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I had two beers the other night, and stoped at that. Surprisingly, the Ben and Jerry's has not been a problem. Going into the season, I'm still losing weight, so to at the very least maintain is the goal. I too am looking for the board reduction, and need to get the pounds down so it will work. I'm doing better in my early thirties than in my late twentys, and that is a huge motivator for me.
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This Primal Lifestyle had been a life transformation. It's not like I was fat and overweight, but still dropped about 12 lbs in 8 weeks, am losing fat and gaining lean muscle. It's definitely a lifelong comittment, but the sacrifices are worth the results. There are many foods I miss, but I feel proud to be choosing a healthier lifestyle. Paddling speed, strength, and endurance has improved. I still got a lot more refining like adding more heavy lifting, finding more grassfed/free range meats, and increasing sleep.
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Takeo,
Congratulations. I am having a tough time right now as work stress is killing me... but reading this thread helps.
I am doing a new non-surfing workout for the days that I can't surf (too many right now)... it burns calories, strengthens the core, and strengthens the mind...
Get yourself to a treadmill ... turn the incline to 12, (or whatever the max is)... strap on your 40 or 60 pound X vest... set the MPH to 3. Grab your IPAD or IPHONE... make the font big enough to read... and start reading. Before I bought the X vest, I just filled up a backback with rocks... but that hurt my back a bit... The X vest distributes the weight nicely.
EPIC core stress, amazing lower back workout and crazy crazy good quad workout... then, every five minutes step off the sides of the treadmill and do five dips on the treadmill bars... (or if that is too taxing, do five pushups)... then keep going...
For a quick workout wherein you can get your morning reading done... the paper, your book, whatever... this is EPIC!
Last week, I watched Lawrence of Arabia doing this... that was before I realized that if I could make the font big enough, I could read all of my mortgage and banking bulletins in the morning or evening on my IPAD while I walked uphill...
Give it a go.
Tim
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Tim,
Awesome advice! I actually just got a treadmill to cross train with paddling. I do paddle sprints, as well as 1 hour distance paddles. I've been doing 7-8 mph sprints on the treadmill, what a great way to get the heart pumping!
I need to try the incline feature and bag of rocks! That sounds pretty intense! Not sure if I could read and bust arse at the same time, but I'll give it a try...I'm still not done reading the Primal Blueprint.
My weight loss has slowed a bit in the last couple weeks, but I have noticed fat loss, so must be gaining lean muscle too. I am kinda heavy on the salads and nuts, which Mark recently suggested to lighten up a bit according to the new Primal pyramid. I'm trying to increase my fish and meat intake.
My friends who have started Primal with me are all dropping out! The lure of sugar and grains is just too strong for most! I'm content with the 80/20.
Oh, the sleep really helps reduce my stress levels, which is all part of the Primal Lifestyle. Hope you find some time to destress soon! Be well!
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Howzit Takeo
I thought finding grass fed beef up Hilo would be no problem ?? My Mom said there is a ranch up in Mountain view or Volcano that sells grass fed beef. She is going to get their contact info from a friend who lives in Hilo. I want to buy a whole cow and have it butchered and sent over to Oahu. There is NO COMPARISON between corn fed beef and Grass fed beef. I have so much more energy and it has way more omega 3 than corn fed beef which is high in omega 6. I have been eating only grass fed for about 8 months now and I'm loving it.
Also make sure you are getting enough good fat in your diet. Should be consuming 60% of your calories from good fat like grass fed beef, Avocado, SOME nuts, and COCONUT OIL !!! I Love coconut oil !!! Also Sashimi like Hamachi, and Maguro, and Aku !!! DA BEST paleo food !! Stay strong Takeo it gets easier to live this way as you go along. My wife just made Paleo spaghetti with a julienne peeler . She used the Julienne peeler and made noodle strips from zucchini she then blanched them and she made spaghetti with hamburger from grass fed beef. WAS INSANE !!! She makes banana muffins with almond flour and also mashed potatoes out of steamed cauliflower. She steams cauliflower then puts it in a food processor and mixes it till it's like mashed potato consistency and then mixes organic butter and garlic in and mixes a few short bursts. IT IS SO GOOD !!! We gave it to her parents and they thought it was the best mashed potatoes. We only told them what it was after they finished, they could not believe it. So just gotta get creative and there are a ton of good Paleo cook books out there with good ideas.
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Scotty,
Thanks for the encouragement and advice! I jumped on the scale this morning and was 165.8 lbs, I haven't seen these numbers in years! When I started Primal, I had already lost 11 lbs from paddling, now I've lost 24.2 lbs total, so another 13.2 lbs and I've gained muscle.
You are right about the grass fed beef, I haven't looked hard enough. JJ's in Honokaa sell's grass fed beef and even deliver to Hilo. I better check if I can get a whole or half cow deal too! I once went hunting for wild cow, that was fun and we scored quite a bit of meat, coolers full!
I use EVOO and Coconut Oil quite a bit, chop down on nuts as snack, have a regular supply of avocados, and eat a lot of fish as my roommate is a sales manager for a fish exporter and I am a fisherman. I need to learn more recipes, especially for the snack stuff so that I'm less tempted to indulge...which I rarely do! I'm on week 11 and at 1 scoop of real ice cream, maybe a couple pieces of desserts, but haven't eaten it like I use to. Haven't eaten rice, and for a local island, Japanese, that's soo tough, especially with the poke and sashimi!! But, it's all worth it! Thanks again, I'm still committed and the results have been awesome!
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Howzit Laron
Let me know if you find some where that sells a half a cow or a whole grass fed cow. I would love to order and stock up my freezer. I eat grass fed beef almost every other day at least !!
My wife steams cauliflower and then runs it through the food processor. She does not cook it too long and also does not run the processor long , maybe a few short blasts at a time until it looks like rice. she then cooks some beef and pork and some sausage in cubed sizes and makes fried rice with it.... Bugga tastes just like fried rice but no more kanak attack after !! Just gotta get creative. Coconut flower, almond flower and Arrow root are paleo baking essentials.
Here are some cook books my wife and I use it has some good ideas !!
Make it Paleo: Over 200 Grain Free Recipes For Any Occasion
http://www.amazon.com/Make-Paleo-Grain-Recipes-Occasion/dp/1936608863/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322288961&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Make-Paleo-Grain-Recipes-Occasion/dp/1936608863/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322288961&sr=8-1)
Primal Blueprint Quick and Easy Meals: Delicious, Primal-approved meals you can make in under 30 minutes
http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Quick-Easy-Meals/dp/0982207743/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1322289062&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Quick-Easy-Meals/dp/0982207743/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1322289062&sr=8-2)
The Paleo Diet Cookbook: More than 150 recipes for Paleo Breakfasts, Lunches, Dinners, Snacks, and Beverages
http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Diet-Cookbook-Breakfasts-Beverages/dp/0470913045/ref=pd_sim_b_8 (http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Diet-Cookbook-Breakfasts-Beverages/dp/0470913045/ref=pd_sim_b_8)
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Scotty,
Thanks for the links to the books, that's exactly what I need, no sense try invent the wheel! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and a Primal one! The table was full of awesome desserts at my parents home and I did taste a few, but no indulgence. Most people gain weight during the holiday season, I plan to lose some. Going for a hike today on Kauai, feeling very Grokish! Aloha!
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I was able to get a hold of some agave nectar last week and used it in a Primal shake this afternoon for a quick lunch.
2 Sambazon acai unsweetened packs
handful of frozen mixed berries
squeeze a bit of agave nectar in for sweetness
splash some coconut water in to help blend
Good to go!!!! Dumped it in the blender bottle to keep it mixed while drinking it and everything worked out great.
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Sounds good Soul. I am throwing lots of kale into my shakes. An easy way to get greens and nice consistency... Without tons of flavor...
My wife makes x mas cookies... My mother in law makes amazing everything... Holidays are over... Back on the primal train...
Tim
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Ahi!... in coconut oil and sesame seeds and nori flakes.
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Thats PURE PRIMAL Bill !!!! Awesome !! that is the best protein going next to grass fed beef , which Maui has :) you guys are blessed .
Good going !!
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What do you guys think about blood type and diet? Type O having the most stomach acid and thereby best equipped to eat red meat while A at the other end of the spectrum has the least stomach acid and better suited for other non-redmeat protein. There's also a whole host of foods that work and don't work with different blood types according to the blood type theory of eating. I'm ashamed to say that I don't even know (remember!) my own blood type at the age of 61. But I'm going to find out.
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Hey Bill , don't know what my blood type is as well but I have 11 years to find out :))
Good sources of clean protein ( fish, grass fed beef, free range chicken, whey protein) Wide variety of Vegetables , fruit in moderation Seeds and Nuts in moderation as well as good fats (some beef fat, chicken fat, coconut oil, raw milk butter, olive oi). stay away from grains , processed starches, and SUGAR !! Your body needs sugar to function but we get all we need from good sources of carbs like fruits, vegetables and Nuts. Some Purple sweet potato once in a while and it's all good.
I don't take too much stock in the whole blood type diet . How long have we known what our blood types are ?? 100 years ?? what about the last 20,000 we did ok. I read that 100 yeras ago the average Man or woman consumed about 4 pounds of sugar a year , now we average about 70 LBS !!!! That is nuts, combine that with all the crap they put in food these days like MSG, Aspartame and all the others S%#t . It's no wonder there are so many fat people running around with a slew of ailments like Diabetes and Arthritis .
My Mom (74 years young) has been a health nut for 30 years , Low fat , No meat High fiber (lots of whole grains) and she was a little over weight and zero energy. She had bad arthritis and was loosing most of her muscle ( she had a lot of flab) and was starting to get pretty bad Dametia. One night she came over and we were eating grass fed Rib Eye. She had not eaten meat for 20 years I believe , she said she wanted some and ate half a steak .... the next day she called me up and said she has not felt this good in years !! She's been eating Paleo ever since and her dementia is almost non existent, her arthritis is almost gone, she lost 20 pounds and her flab is going away as her body is re building muscle and burning all the flab. She is getting all her friends to eat this way as well and there are many more stories of her friends illnesses and allergies just going away over time.
Very Amazing.
I know there are many views on what and how to eat but this way of living is very simple and easy to do ... for me anyway :) especially now that my wife bakes all kinds of goodies using almond flower and coconut flower .... SO GOOD !!!
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SEA--your nutrition posts are always inspiring. I like this advice--more good info in 2 sentences than in most nutrition books:
Good sources of clean protein ( fish, grass fed beef, free range chicken, whey protein) Wide variety of Vegetables , fruit in moderation Seeds and Nuts in moderation as well as good fats (some beef fat, chicken fat, coconut oil, raw milk butter, olive oi). stay away from grains , processed starches, and SUGAR !!
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Sea, Are you doing new recipes with the almond flour , or just substituting it for regular flour?
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My wife is doing new recipes . I'll get them and post here soon. Some of them are insane. I lost 8 more pounds during Thanks giving and Christmas and we were SNACKING !!! I love it. She made paleo pumpkin Pie. Also she makes Haupia with stevia and coconut milk . Anyway when she gets home I get them and post. Mark Sissons web site (marks daly apple) has a lot of recipes as well as Rob Wolfs sit.
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here's my latest favorite pale recipe. Only thing i added was sea salt to taste: http://paleopot.com/2011/12/easy-paleo-crock-pot-chicken-curry-with-peppers-and-cabbage/ (http://paleopot.com/2011/12/easy-paleo-crock-pot-chicken-curry-with-peppers-and-cabbage/)
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The book 'Paleo Comfort Foods' also has some great recipes in it, although not everything in there is 'true' pale, but i could care less and am not very strict. I still use dairy simply because I cannot always get away from a patient's bedside since I work in pediatric critical care, and cannot have foot at the patients bedside, so sometimes a liter of milk is the best I can do.
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I'm going to give that chicken curry crock pot recipe a go this weekend. Sounds like it's really good. also need to try that Sole recipe that Strand Leper posted in another thread. That sounds amazing also.
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I came across some information reading Gary Taubes blog that I thought may be of interest to those getting "Primal":
"The next order of business is an exciting and promising project. My friend Larry Istrail is a medical student at Virginia Commonwealth University. He’s recently created the Ancestral Weight Loss Registry, to collect and publish data on individuals who have tried to lose weight with a paleo/carbohydrate-restricted diet. He’s also spent much of the last few years compiling clinical data on many aspects of carb-restricted eating in the related science section, such as the efficacy of such diets for weight loss or the effects of saturated fats and cholesterol intake on heart disease. Tara Parker-Pope’s article in The New York Times claimed that the National Weight Control Registry (about which I could easily fill up a few blog posts with criticisms) has some 10,000 people registered in over 15 years. We’re hoping that the Ancestral Weight Loss Registry will beat that in a few months. Using this kind of self-selected data to do good science is tricky if not perhaps impossible, but it will be interesting to see what happens.
If you’re reading this and you’ve lost significant weight on a carb-restricted/paleo diet (or if you haven’t), please check out the Ancestral Weight Loss Registry and enter your details. I’m also hoping you’ll pass this on to your friends and if you have a blog or a podcast, to your readers and/or listeners."
The link to the Ancestral Weight Loss Registry; http://www.awlr.org/ (http://www.awlr.org/)
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I finally got a new blender, and my primal shakes are coming out great.
2 packs Sambazon unsweetened Acai
Handful of mixed frozen berries, unsweetened
Teaspoon of coconut oil
1 banana, or 2 red banana's
Almond milk until you get the consistency that you desire
agave nectar for a bit of sweetness
This fills up my blender bottle pretty good, and keeps me going through the morning. You could also throw in some greens or whatever else you wish.
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You want to seriously consider ditching the use of Agave Nectar , It's a nightmare and not Paleo. I'd use "stevia in the raw" which is much different from stevia. I get mine at safe way but here is the info on it. This is all I use now .. I love it and you can bake with it.
http://www.steviaextractintheraw.com/?gclid=COzEqsaJmq4CFSUbQgod6jfnHw (http://www.steviaextractintheraw.com/?gclid=COzEqsaJmq4CFSUbQgod6jfnHw)
Here is info on Agave: This is from an article i'd encourage all to read.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/30/beware-of-the-agave-nectar-health-food.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/30/beware-of-the-agave-nectar-health-food.aspx)
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If you knew the truth about what’s really in it, you’d be dumping it down the drain -- and that would certainly be bad for sales.
Most agave "nectar" or agave "syrup" is nothing more than a laboratory-generated super-condensed fructose syrup, devoid of virtually all nutrient value, and offering you metabolic misfortune in its place.
Unfortunately, masterful marketing has resulted in the astronomical popularity of agave syrup among people who believe they are doing their health a favor by avoiding refined sugars like high fructose corn syrup, and dangerous artificial sweeteners.
And if you’re diabetic, you’ve been especially targeted and told this is simply the best thing for you since locally grown organic lettuce, that it’s "diabetic friendly," has a "low glycemic index" and doesn’t spike your blood sugar.
While agave syrup does have a low-glycemic index, so does antifreeze -- that doesn’t mean it’s good for you.
Most agave syrup has a higher fructose content than any commercial sweetener -- ranging from 70 to 97 percent, depending on the brand, which is FAR HIGHER than high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), which averages 55 percent.
This makes agave actually WORSE than HFCS.
It is important to understand that fructose does not increase insulin levels, which is not necessarily good as what it does do is radically increase insulin resistance, which is FAR more dangerous. You see, it’s okay for your insulin levels to rise, that is normal. You just don’t want these insulin levels to remain elevated, which is what insulin resistance causes.
That is why fasting insulin is such a powerful test, as it is a very powerful reflection of your insulin resistance.
In addition to insulin resistance, your risk of liver damage increases, along with triglycerides and a whole host of other health problems, as discussed in this CBC News video about the newly discovered dangers of high fructose corn syrup. The study discussed in this news report is about HFCS, however, it's well worth remembering that agave contains MORE fructose than HFCS, and in all likelihood, it's the FRUCTOSE that is causing these severe liver problems.
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Just wanted to say thanks for the How are you getting Primal thread.
As of yesterday it's been one year of being Primal!
My starting weight was 325lb on Feb 16th 2011 today Feb 17th 2012 my weight is 285lb. That's 40 lbs!!!
No more crestor cholesterol medication.
Anyway just wanted to say thanks for introducing me to the Primal lifestyle.
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Chadbo:
THAT IS AMAZING. I am so stoked for you! You just made my entire weekend... no, my entire month of February... and it is going to be one tough month!
SEA and Headmount and Pono and ODJ and Ninja, and everybody who contributed to this thread (sorry for leaving anyone out... but its is like a million pages...) look what you did...
YOU HELPED CHADBO LOSE 40 POUNDS!
Forty pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND no more medication!
Keep it up brother and keep use Zoners posted.
Tim
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SEA, thanks for the tip on the agave. I had no idea and read your article, let's just say my eyes are opened. I'll get some stevia in the raw to replace it and go from there. Glad that I posted it, otherwise I'd have never known.
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Awesome Chadbo !!! You go my man .... keep living the life and the pounds will melt off slowly but surely until one day you'll be what you were at in high school :))
let us know how your doing and ask questions .
Aloha and good on ya Chadbo
Scotty
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Having some trouble staying motivated... lapsing here and there... so I took the plunge... had a bit of birthday cake during a Tuesday all night work session... that happened to occur on my birthday... you know the drill... walk into the lunch room every two hours... "Well, I AM working all night... one more little piece won't hurt..." By the morning as you are going home to take a shower, change clothes, and come back... the cake is pretty much gone...
Three day fast... with small 8 p.m. protein drink so my wife doesn't catch on... (she worries... and if she hears my stomach growling, will be shoving pasta down my throat... she's Italian...)
At day two...
I had to post because I was tempted to go to the breakroom and eat something.
Thanks for helping to keep me (relatively) honest Zone!
Breaking fast tomorrow night... Mother in law cooking me birthday dinner... primal pork with kale, spinach, and butter lettuce salad!
Tim
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im always trolling this thread even though im not eating Primal-great info and one day im hoping something gets me over the hump so i can jump in full force.
Gotta say Chadbo stoked me-good job dude!
I work around restaurants all day and lately i cannot stop eating at least one large Chick-Fil-A Ice Dream Cone!!
At this point i dont care if it was Soilent Green i would still get one!
Im almost there-so close to jumping in full Primal.
Sincere congrats to all the zoners posting great info.
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SoCal,
So you aren't Strand Leper??? So you aren't Primal???
I am totally confused!
I am also totally motivated to meet my goal of an (almost) three day fast... and a little hungry...
No eating until 6... even though the Lexis rep is bringing in lunch (and maybe hookers) to try to sell me on some new service... the staff is gonna be stoked... (on the lunch... not the hookers... well maybe...)
I am going to be strong!
Tim
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Strand Leper,
So you arent SoCal???, so you arent Primal???
I too am confused!
Ha Ha i bet we got lots of people thinking we are each others troll!
3 day fast!-nice-thats hard-ive done some fasting here and there in the past-its tough-man i get real cranky about day two-headaches etc..
All the good science says its good for you to give your system a break now and then-first thing i should do is seriously cut my sugar intake.
Second would be the hookers-they gotta go!
Good luck SL-er... i mean socal-which is myself,, wait, ...
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HOOKERS AREN'T PRIMAL?!?!?!?! ;D ;D ;D
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When you guys are asting, do you consider shakes or smoothies part of that? Also, What do you typically drink during those fasts?
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Soul,
I pulled it off... no hookers...
Not so fast on eliminating the hookers So Cal... they can be useful!
When I fast, I eat nothing. Have a little coffee in the morning... and drink water.
This latest one was not a true fast... as I drank a protein shake each night...
Next week I am going to do a 36 hour true fast, then two days of protein shake only...
Why? It is just really hard to ride the Collab if I am over 182...
I want to see how comfortable I can be on the Collab at at 175...
Good Luck!
Tim
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Thiryt six hour fast. Made a shake last night at 6:30... super packed with protein, leafy greens and fat.
The first sixteen hours are the easiest. :)
Tomorrow Morning can't come soon enough (if I am feeling good, gonna extend to noon)!
Gotta keep my mind on work!
Wish me luck... and So Cal, don't eat too many of those Ice Dream Cones today! ;)
If I am riding the Collab this weekend, you will know that I pulled it off.
If I am riding my 10 6 Nalu... you will know that I fell off of the wagon and consumed 11 Portillos Italian Beef sandwiches... and am now clocking in at 205...
SL
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Kind of blew it on the timing.
Today is a HUGE day with two conference calls, the month end billing review for eight attorneys' work product, two doctor appointments, a morning hearing and a later afternoon loan doc signing... (I know, not really good scheduling)... so I made it through 36 hours and had a protein and spinach shake this morning before sun up as I was reviewing my schedule...
Gonna keep focused though and try to make it through to the morning... in all honesty, I might not make it through the day... gonna try to at least make it through to tonight at home.
Gotta love the IPAD... reading the Zone while the doc probes my... well my... (I am 47... you know the drill)... took some work with me for the waiting room, but nerves just won't allow any focus.
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Okay... I couldn't handle it... the trauma from the prostate exam forced me to find refuge in a piece of home made cake that my secretary made for the office. She put a piece in the freezer for me because she knew that it might be awhile before I ate it and she wanted to make sure I got a piece...
Total epic fail (as my son would say).
I was definitely not "beast" (as Will Arnett would say in his gravelly voice).
Pumping the prime to lose weight at 47 is not easy... that's all that I am saying. My body is used to these little Primal tricks that I play on it... I am going to have to go up a level.
Fast again today... (all day... no cake fatso! because you ate it!)... power shake tonight (spinach, nuts, coconut oil, whey protein isolate, frozen blueberries, almond milk), surf tomorrow morning at my NW secret spot (that will be the only place with ANY energy)... no pocket fuel on the way home... fast until a nice dinner out with the wife. (Grass fed New Zealand lamb at Jack's Bistro... very cool and low key Dana Point restaurant)...
I am pretty pissed at Roger for taking so much freaking volume out of the deck of the Collab! He started at 3.5 and crowned from there... as he was crowning I was screaming through my foam mask, "You don't have to balance that thing, give me a break." He was laughing maniacally and asking if I wanted a board to surf or a board for touring the Everglades... (f*c*er). [I am not really pissed at him as he shaped this board for me for free... and he wasn't laughing maniacally... he was just asking, "Do you want to find the limit or not... don't worry, I will shape you another one if this is too small." But he knows how stubborn I am... and that I have a problem with anything less than success].
Tim
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Stubborn? or Obsessed? Breathe Tim breathe In any case if it's too small you can sell it to me and I'll take it down to my grandson who is 80 lbs. I can't believe how small you're going. I hear Nick Wallenda has been granted permission to do the tight rope over Niagara Falls. With your balance, you could join him... with a board in hand rather than the balance bar.
I just had my first physical (non blood test) prostate exam at 61 and reckon it'll be my last.
Oh BTW 178 this morning. Pumped.
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Head,
That is a really good idea on the proper home for the Collab if I can't make it work.
178!
That is amazing HM.
Prostate exam... definitely not a good time...
As I recall from another post that you like the Country label, this board has the Country label. My shaper Roger Hinds used to shape for Country with Randy Rarick back in the day, and has the Country license for the mainland... Shapes out of Seal Beach.
Tim
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Better yet. sold already.. just don't put glass on fins... for traveling
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Okay... I couldn't handle it... the trauma from the prostate exam forced me to find refuge in a piece of home made cake that my secretary made for the office. She put a piece in the freezer for me because she knew that it might be awhile before I ate it and she wanted to make sure I got a piece...
Total epic fail (as my son would say).
Hey Tim
After being Paleo for a year now I have to say, I don't get it ?? I don't crave any of that stuff like sandwiches and cake or pie. I ate some sweets after being paleo about 2 months and I got such a sick stomach that I never went back. I might have a pice of 60% dark chocolate once in a while but a whole piece of cake and I'd be on the toilet letting it rip.
Whats up with the fasting ?? Is that to lose weight or just clean out your system ? If your fasting you definitely don't want to poison your system after a few days of fasting with CAKE ?? you must have felt something after eating that ?? Like a sore stomach or runs ??
Anyway I am loving the Paleo way and made one year this month. Of course it helps when my wife is more into it than me. She cooks all kinds of paleo recipes and bakes big time !! I'm down from 225 to 180 and feel like a young kid again. At 50 thats where I want to be. I can't imagine if I continue on this path how I will feel at 60 !! Keep it up bro and don't fight it just live it , it's pretty dam easy to live this way, it's second nature now.
Here is a pancake recipe my wife came up with. You gotta use Stevia in the raw or it won't taste so good. She made these today and they were fricken good !!!!
Aloha
Scotty
Paleo Pancakes
2 Eggs
1 Tbsp + 1 tsp Baking stevia
1 Tbsp Honey
1 Tbsp Vanilla extract
1/2 c Water
1 1/2 c Almond flour
1/2 tsp Celtic sea salt
1/2 tsp Baking soda
Coconut oil for cooking
In a blender, combine eggs, stevia, honey, vanilla, and water. Blend on high until smooth.
Add almond flour, salt, and baking soda. Blend again until smooth.
Let batter sit 15 minutes in the fridge.
Heat coconut oil in skillet on medium.
Pour dollar pancake size batter into skillet. When bubbles form, and the top looks dry, flip pancakes.
Repeat with remaining batter.
ENJOY !!!
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SEA,
After eating that cake I was so sick it was ridiculous... it was the BEST thing that could have happened. I can't even look at cake now!
My wife is nowhere near paleo so my house has lots of temptations...
And when you have an office staff of 20 or so and want to buy them lunch... you can't force your Paleo ness on them... You know, people bring in cake, pies, cookies, etc. just about every day... I don't really get tempted but for some reason that cake called my name... (except when someone makes dark chocolate chip cookies...)
I have been doing the fasting because I am stuck in a weight rut and want to get down to 175 to see how my super small board works at 175.
Thanks for the pancake recipe. Gonna try that one soon.
Thanks,
Tim
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Tim,
Do you think that you would have gone for the cake if you had been eating? If you're feeling tempted quite a bit when you are doing your fasts, stick with a lighter paleo diet and see if that helps you get to where you want to be. For what it's worth, you looked like you were ripping when you were on that board before.
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Thanks Soul... it is a sweet board, but a LOT of work... so I am trying to make it less work :)
As to the cake... just a moment of weakness... good question though... I don't know.
Tough to do those fasts on a day when people are bringing in all sorts of crajunk... so, that is a good question.
The fast is just a great way to jump start things... even if you slip with a piece of cake. :)
But there are limits... for example, after my 3 hour surf this morning, I was spent... usually it takes a bit longer to spool me...
Good session at my secret NW spot this morning. By the way, the vacant three acre parcel on the bluff above my secret NW spot just got reduced... I don't recall the exact price off the top of my head, but from the e-mail from the realtor, I think it went down to 55 million. A smidge too rich for my blood at this point. ;)
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Hey SL,
I'm new to SUPZone, but have been following this thread with great interest. Thanks for firing it up! I won't bore you w/ all the details, crap, this already is too long... let's just say that doing everything I can to maximize my health is a big priority right now.
A few weeks ago I stumbled into an old copy of "Eat to Live" by Dr Thurman and it kind of solidified my resolve and got me going on the way to cleaning up my diet. Two weeks ago, I started to make an effort to eliminate processed foods (the best I can) all diet sodas, most dairy, cut way down on grains and almost all simple carbs. I've had a few whole grain wraps and servings of brown basmati rice, but that's about it... oh, a few 85% dark chocolate bars. Mostly though, it's been heaps of raw veggies of all kinds in salads. Lots of stir fry, steamed veggies and almost no red meats. Talapia, chicken, Orange Ruffy, Salmon. Been cooking w/ small amounts of grape seed oil, which is tasty, and limited olive oil, mostly lemon or rice vinegar/herbs on salads.
Weight really isn't my primary concern, I think returning to my normal hyper-activity will take care of that,(just taking up SUP this week is a part of that program!) and I likely won't lose more than 10-15 at the most... likely just dedistribute/convert fat to lean muscle. THE main thing is, I just want to get the machine running lean, mean, clean and efficient w/ rock solid immunity. The best shape of my life paddling / racing outrigger, surfing, swimming a lot, running, gym lifting 3 times a week, I was 6-3 and a lean, muscular 205. Post rehab, a few weeks ago, I was sitting at a soft, out of shape for me 216. The above changes and a few surfs, 3 SUP paddles have me at 208-10ish.
Well... then, this week I ran across this thread, & have subsequently done a very little bit of poking around Mark Sisson's site. I find it interesting stuff which seems to have merit & fit w/ my lifestyle, so I am considering going Primal to some degree. I haven't read the blueprint/am still doing homework, so i don't know that I will go "hard core Primal"... maybe some variation?? What little I've seen makes sense, I just think I may lean more heavily towards fish and poultry over a ton of red meat/beef/pork. Damn I love me some BBQ though! Freaking Kalbi is like candy!
Anyhow, I live in Dana Point, so in addition to general feedback regarding eating this way, more importantly I've gotta ask... where are some good places to shop for this kind of food to get things like Stevia (which I'd never heard of) good grass fed beef, free range chicken etc ? Regular old local grocers have organic veggies these days and organic chicken... I do the Farmer's Market on weekends. Maybe Sprouts in Aliso Viejo?
I know the more options I have & the easier, more convenient it is,... one stop shopping and having the right kind of food in my cupboards/fridge... the more likely I am to have success/consistency. So... as a guy that's local... guess I'm looking for some tips, restaurants, places to shop and any suggestions regarding ways that you have found to make this as simple and easy as possible. Cheers and thanks again!
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H20,
Thanks for the shout out. I get most of the meat from Gelsons. They have great free range beef and cage free chicken. BUT THE best are the eggs. They have these eggs that you buy six at a time called "Lilys" . They are brown, big and taste like candy.
Their vegetables are fantastic too.
For Stevia, I get that at Gelsons or Ralphs. Be sure the get the Stevia in the Raw. Comes in little packets... the regular Stevia has a pretty brutal aftertaste. The Stevia in the Raw doesn't.
I also hit up the Trader Joes on Golden Lantern and Camino Del Avion. Lots of times they have free range beef, and they have a pretty good nut selection for when I run out of mail order nuts. Their macadamia nuts are really good.
Spending some time at Trader Joes you can probably get the same (or similar) quality food that you can pick up in five minutes at Gelsons. Gotta tell you though, the Gelsons meat and fish is pretty tough to beat! It's just a little pricey.
TJ's also has the BEST 85% chocolate out there... it is in a brown and light green wrapper and comes two thin bars to the package. I am out right now (cut out that aspect of Primal for my plunge to 175) but will be restocking.
Also, can't beat the frozen organic berries at TJ's if you ever make a whole greek (or regular) yogurt and berry dessert.
As you may have read, I rely pretty heavily on the shake.
As for restaurants, Jacks Bistro on PCH serves crazy good Turner New Zealand meats... My wife loves the place for its potatoes and fish... They make really good spinach that I substitute for the potatoes and a really good primal - ish chicken tortilla soup (just ask the to hold the tortilla chips... or give them to your date). I had the duck and the spinach last night. It fills up pretty quickly so the wife and I always reserve a table online for 5 o'clock...
Good Luck!
Tim
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Thanks Tim, all good info!
Ha... actually, Trader Joe's is where I got that 85% dark chocolate... all neatly packaged and tantalizing placed at the register, it was too much to pass up and yeah, very tasty. I'm there al the time, some reason just never have been in the habit of buying meat there other than fish steaks and scallops for the grill. Something I did start was heading there when I there is temptation to hit a drive through & grabbing one of their pre-made salads as fast-food. Or the Ralphs salad bar.
I'm going to have to check out some shake recipes and get myself set up here at home. I always down lots of liquids and know that will be a perfect way to keep me in line mid day and post workouts/surfs /paddles and getting out the door early mornings. *#%&, I wish there were primal tortillas... I am all about Sunday mornings with my girl, loading up breakfast burrito's w/ homemade spicy mango salsa, cilantro, grilled onions and garlic, machaca and avocados with a monster cup of press coffee. Guess I'll have to make that a scramble.
I've ben in Dana Point a long time and driven by Jack's say... a million times, had friends recommend it..... never set foot in there once. I'll get in there this week.
Hey... thanks again and good luck to you getting to 175!
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Tim
That cake story ?? I FEEL for you brother !!
Two things I tried which is incredibly effective at reducing body fat and dropping weight ...
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first thing when you wake up in the AM drink a protein shake with as low carbs as possible or no carbs . (I use 3 raw free range eggs, about a cup of un sweetened almond milk, about 4 oz coconut milk , and 2 big scoops of whey protein isolate (72 grms) . You need to have at least 50grams of protein first thing in the morning RIGHT WHEN YOU WAKE UP !! This kicks in your metabolism and keeps it revving for the day !! You can add some pure 100% cacao powder for a boost !!
I take a break from the shake first thing in the am about every four to 6 weeks for a week or two depending on how I feel , just to keep my body on it's toes !!
2)
Do sprints !!!! 30 seconds all out sprint , followed by a 2 minute rest , then sprint again . Try to work up to 8 sprints in a session at least 2 to 3 times a week. this will increase your own Human Growth Hormone that your body makes , by at least 500% and can even get on up to 1000%. After a few weeks your body mass will begin to change, plus you will sleep incredibly and have much more energy !!
Try those two things for a month as well as keeping Paleo life style and you will be a fat burning - muscle building machine !!! Plus you'll have way more energy AND those 3 or 4 hour paddle surf sessions will become nothing for you !! Trust me this is a game changer !!
The intermittent fasts are good but there is nothing that will come close to doing the sprints 2 to 3 times a week and best of all it only takes about 20 minutes !!
you'll be down to your high school senior weight and paddle surfing a 6' 10" if you aren't careful.
Aloha Tim
Scotty
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Tim
That cake story ?? I FEEL for you brother !!
Two things I tried which is incredibly effective at reducing body fat and dropping weight ...
1)
first thing when you wake up in the AM drink a protein shake with as low carbs as possible or no carbs . (I use 3 raw free range eggs, about a cup of un sweetened almond milk, about 4 oz coconut milk , and 2 big scoops of whey protein isolate (72 grms) . You need to have at least 50grams of protein first thing in the morning RIGHT WHEN YOU WAKE UP !! This kicks in your metabolism and keeps it revving for the day !! You can add some pure 100% cacao powder for a boost !!
I take a break from the shake first thing in the am about every four to 6 weeks for a week or two depending on how I feel , just to keep my body on it's toes !!
are you doing the jack-kruse leptin reset thing as described on the daily apple? i believe that 50g of protein meal first thing in the am is part of his protocol....
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SEA,
How long does that shake fuel you for? My current ones are good, but leave me pretty hungry about an hour and a half later.
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Are you going full paleo ? If not your body will crave carbs and that shake won't be enough. If you are living paleo and your insulin levels are steady , then it all depends on your lifestyle and how active you are. you have to find the right balance of Fat, Protein and carbs (from veggies and nuts ) . Don't forget we should be getting 60% of your calories from healthy fats ... nuts , seeds, coconut oil, avocado , grass fed beef !! and this will give you your energy and keep your hunger satisfied.
I work at 4 am so my first shake is at about 3:30 am , then I have another shake at 8 am. I work out doors and my activity level at work is fairly high so for me when I come home at 8 I drink a shake with 2 to 3 raw eggs , 2 more scoops of protein powder (27 gr each scoop) another cup of almond milk , some more coconut milk and about 2 tbs of coconut oil. I also throw in some cocoa powder and a big handful of blue berries . I might eat a handful of nuts at about 10;30 am or so and drink a bunch of water. That keeps me till about 1:30. I'm done work at 12 noon so I will come home and have maybe a Steak and some salad. Then go paddle or exercise.
It's all about playing around with food and fats and finding what works for you. Of course this is constantly changing , like when I start training for races then I will up my fat intake and also my good carbs from nuts , veggies and fruit. If I notice my pants coming a little less loose then I'll back of on the Fat . Or if I find myself a little sluggish I might see if I need a little more Carbs in my food. It's too the point now where I know my body well enough that it's second nature and I don't really think about it too much.
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Scotty,
No berries or nuts in the a.m. shake... how about coconut oil? WOW that's a lot of protein...
I will give that a go tomorrow. I will try your plan for a month... what have I got to lose (other than a few lbs)...
H2O,
I hear ya. I drove by Jack's Bistro a zillion times too... then a few friends recommended it. Nothing crazy fancy. Just good food, good service, the owner is there EVERY night, no tourists (i.e. obnoxious euro brats on vacation, and no drive to Laguna (I hate that drive!)
Funny, I do the TJ's thing too to avoid a fast food meal when desperate! Just gotta make it out past the register.
;)
Thanks everybody for continuing to contribute to this very old thread... it helps!
Tim
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Hey Tim
Hows it going ?? You trying the early am protein shake ?
Aloha
Scotty
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Scotty,
Still recovering from the superbug... I can't quite look at most food at this point and am limited to certain meats, nuts, and vegetables.
I am frothing to give your idea a go, and am hoping to be able to start on Monday.
Be well brother.
Tim
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On the bright side Tim, you are most likely at your desired weight for he shortboards due to this super bug. ;D
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I just goy over a super bug as well 104 fever and uncontrollable shakes. lasted a week I lost 12 pounds. have not been sick in years ....... this one kicked my ASS !!
Starting to feel normal again.
Get well Tim. Take LOTS of vitamin C .
Aloha'
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Thanks to Primal, my immune system has really gotten a boost! I use to get sick every couple months, at least with a cold or some kind of stomach virus. I've been Primal 7 months and only caught a cold right when I started, none since.
I've been maintaining my weight loss even if at times I stray a little from Primal. I'm not 100%, possibly 75, which works for me and my lifestyle, definitely better than 0%.
Primal has helped my paddling, partially due to the weight loss, putting on more lean muscle, less injury, and better recovery. I've also noticed that my body is much more efficient with energy. When I'm in for a hard paddle, I'll eat some purple sweet potatos as Mark suggested, such great fuel. I also drink water and coconut water to stay hydrated, no more sugary sports drinks and high sugar supplements that I use to take.
Any of you guys taking the Priamal fuel?? At $79 plus shipping, it's pretty steep on my already higher food budget. What about supplements? I had belonged to a company and was taking their vitamin packs and recently ran out and am looking for a good, affordable, alternative. Any of you guys taking the Advanced Health Formula?
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Takeo,
I get the primal supplement drink. It comes in really handy. A little steep, but I can use it alone... or if I am feeling lazy, as the base for a quick primal shake.
Scotty,
I am going to give your plan a go for a couple of weeks. Went with four scoops of protein, some mac nuts, some coconut oil and some almond milk and a little cocoa powder for a morning shake. WOW, that was dense. I am still super full many hours later. On my non-surfing days, been doing the X vest and hills with wife and dog thing. Just about thirty minutes, right before the sunset. Maybe I will even throw in a sprint or two. :)
Thanks for the Mojo-tivation bro. Get well and get back out there.
Tim
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A little humor out on the highway of life
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HM,
Remember when you were young and could wolf down a few Big Macs, large fries and a chocolate shake... Without blinking... And then maybe hammer a hot apple pie that you would dip in your shake? Growing up financially strapped in So Cal, McD's was a monstrous treat that we had once a month... Good times. Thanks for taking me back.
As for Hooters....
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On a more serious side, it's ironic to me that many of the same people who are so vehemently anti-fast food---to the point of trying to ban fast food franchises from poor neighborhoods in some (California) cities--are the same people who push for insubstantial, low-protein, no-fat, insulin-spiking meals that are much more of a danger to children's health than an occasional burger or Egg McMuffin.
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PDX,
Irony noted. Good point.
Tim
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Tim--it's not even just that. Your comment about going to McDonald's as a kid matches my experience. It's one thing to caution people about eating too much fast food, it's another to demonize it to the point of trying to make it illegal for families to be able to eat fast food occasionally without leaving their neighborhood to go to a wealthier one where it isn't banned.
And it's even worse to be pushing a banana, some grain and a nonfat sugary yogurt into kids' hands every two hours because they're protein- and fat-starved, and their parents are being brainwashed into believing that all meat and fat is bad.
I'm not saying eating at McDonald's is primal, but some of the nutritional thinking behind the vehemence against McDonald's is very anti-primal.
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We are sliding towards major socialism with a pinch of fascism for corporate profits . where the government tells us we must... Bail out the Banks cause they gambled poorly, buy health insurance, not drink raw unpasteurized milk and where farmers are being arrested for selling produce from their own farms. ... the list goes on forever !!
I agree with you Mike it's each individuals freedom to choose what he or she wants to drink and eat and also where they want to buy it from. Unfortunately like you said the government bureaucrats are feeding the people very bad information via our schools ,universities and major media outlets , on what types of food is good for you .The poor who tend to be less educated suffer the worst because they don't have the proper information provided to them and are economically given very little options but to buy cheap fast food , which for many is their daily source of sustenance.
I remember when I was about 11 years old going to McDonald's after surfing all day and eating like 5 cheese burgers , 2 large fries and a large chocolate shake !! Those were the days. I'm sure now the ingredients in the same food is 10x more toxic than they had back in the early seventies. I have to say though knowing what I know now about nutrition, I don't miss it at all !!
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The moral relevance and superiority of the "we know what's best for you" crowd is interesting isn't it.
Along these lines, I watch a show called Awake. It is really interesting television (for regular TV). It is basically the only TV show that I record and watch regularly (well, that and Miami Tow on True TV).
In one scene last week the high school son has his girlfriend hidden in his room for an overnight visit. He sneaks two bowls of cereal in the room in the morning... He askes the GF where she told her parents she was. GF says, I told them I was in your bed... my parents are into progressive parenting... but they would be really upset if they knew I was eating Froot Loops right now.
Classic tweaking of PC parents... or just really cliched writing... ? I am going with the former, as I enjoy the show.
Tim
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SEA makes a good point in all of this. The quality of the food from most chain restaurants, not just fast food, has really gone down hill. I'm sure that what people were eating back then was better than what we're getting now.
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Now that I'm mostly Primal, I shop at our local natural food store. It's ironic how many overweight people I see, purchasing the vegan stuff. I have known personally vegans and vegetarians who are very overweight and unhealthy! My vegetarian friend told me that we were not designed to eat meat, he said this is based on our teeth, something about our incisors being underdeveloped. He loves his pastas, breads, desserts, sugary sweets, and wonders how I can lose more weight then he when I am eating beef, and chicken, and fish, and eggs by the dozens! Ugga ugga!
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Now that I'm mostly Primal, I shop at our local natural food store. It's ironic how many overweight people I see, purchasing the vegan stuff. I have known personally vegans and vegetarians who are very overweight and unhealthy! My vegetarian friend told me that we were not designed to eat meat, he said this is based on our teeth, something about our incisors being underdeveloped. He loves his pastas, breads, desserts, sugary sweets, and wonders how I can lose more weight then he when I am eating beef, and chicken, and fish, and eggs by the dozens! Ugga ugga!
Yes, many veg heads are not at a healhy weight/body mass index or "in shape". Many do overindulge on carbs and sugars. I propose that some folks who choose veg for ethical/moral reasons are in this category where as folks, like myself, who do it for both moral and health reasons, are not overweight, feel great and limit white carbs and sugar intake.
For carbs (40%) my diet mainly consists of sweet potatos, quinoa, brown rice, whole wheat pasta (in limited amounts) and wheat breads along with fruits.
For sugars (10%), i have fruits, jelly on toast, organic peanut butter, some honey (not vegan), vanilla whey protein powder (not vegan), emergen-C drinks, dark chocolate (not vegan).
I DON"T USE ANY MILK PRODUCTS except for whey protein. Unsweetened almond milk, soy butter and soy creamer for coffee both in small amounts.
For PROTEIN (50%) i have Nuts, Beans, Crunchy peanut butter, Whey protein, Quinao, Tempeh, very limited soy products
Beverages - Water, Water, Water, organic coffee & green tea
TO BE HONEST - every so often i eat fresh EGGS from our neighbor or fresh FISH from my back yard but never "meat". I wonder if I was taught this way of life from an earlier age would I still do this? My general thought is that as earth's most evolved creature humans can and should consider ways to provide themselves engergy without bringing harm to other living beings. but that goes hand in hand with me being against war, capital punishment, oil for fuel, etc...
ALSO remember, vegan or vegetarian diets do not go hand in hand with EXERCISE which is obviously a huge contributor to overall health.
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Coal for fuel? Whale blubber? ;D
Sorry, but oil for fuel causes the least negative externalities of any other fuel out there except nuclear after you add all phases of production for both generation, capacity storage and delivery.
I like unicorns and rainbows too but oil for fuel has brought more societies out of abject poverty than just about anything that one can think of... Except for casting off the totalitarian military thug and installing a benevolent monarchy. ;D
Not a hijack, technically.
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SL ~ u have to admit oil is a HUGE reason for negative world behavior and as a result a MAJOR health issue for many living beings including death.
i was just saying that we owe the earth, not just for environmental reasons, but humanistic and developmental progress to look for healthier ways to lessen our need for oil and not rely on old behaviors that may work for the few but hurts the many. just like humans don't need meat and milk to survive but humans like meat and milk so there is no need to look elswhere….
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Funny, but really.... a discussion regarding how to feed/fuel/power our cars and homes is much the same as that regarding how to feed/fuel/energize our body. Promotion/elevating one form of energy as "the one and only" to the exclusion and demonization of all others is folly. An open mind, creative solutions, a balanced approach examining facts/science that take into consideration: economics, long term results, geography/availability and application seem like a good place to start rather than dogmatic ideology.
$%^#... there was a time in my life where power eating a 6$ large/the works pizza was the most pragmatic solution for my post surf energy demands. There are at least 1,000 reasons why that is definitely not the case anymore :)
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SL ~ u have to admit oil is a HUGE reason for negative world behavior and as a result a MAJOR health issue for many living beings including death.
i was just saying that we owe the earth, not just for environmental reasons, but humanistic and developmental progress to look for healthier ways to lessen our need for oil and not rely on old behaviors that may work for the few but hurts the many. just like humans don't need meat and milk to survive but humans like meat and milk so there is no need to look elswhere….
Free,
I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. Oil is a commodity. It is the most efficient and versatile discovered in human history.
Peace,
Tim
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"I like unicorns and rainbows too"
SL, You're killing me. About fell on the floor laughing. Of course I live in the land of... so I have to laugh ... or cry.
Made my day
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money and growth is not the only means of wealth and progress.
But that is probably why I have a strong disdain for consumerism, tv and chrisitanity. Ha ha . I digress.
back to getting ripped from veggie power... I mean animal power...I mean... :)
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Why are we paying so much for Gas ?? when we export more than we Import ?? S L said it !! commodities !! The all mighty dollar wins over the general welfare of the people , every time.
The U.S. exported more oil-based fuels than it imported in the first nine months of this year, making it likely that 2011 will be the first time since 1949 that the nation is a net exporter of such goods, primarily diesel.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1)
Top U.S. export? Fuel (You read that right)
The last time the United States was a net exporter of fuels was in 1949, when Truman was president.
The Associated Press
NEW YORK - For the first time, the top export of the United States, the world's biggest gas guzzler, is -- wait for it -- fuel.
http://www.pressherald.com/business/fuel-is-now-leading-export-of-united-states_2011-12-31.html?cmpid=morning-news-update-html (http://www.pressherald.com/business/fuel-is-now-leading-export-of-united-states_2011-12-31.html?cmpid=morning-news-update-html)
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If someone overseas will pay more for gas, so that there's a bigger profit even after shipping cost, why shouldn't a company ship it?
As for primal, I've cut way back on carbs but I just don't want to eliminate them completely. Eating a lot more organic vegitables and fruit since we joined a local CSA group. We've got a great local bagel maker but I've gone from eating them every weekend to just a few times a year as a treat. Tiny amount of pasta vs a big bowl in the past. Everything in moderation is my motto.
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"My man Luke can eat 50 eggs"
Cool Hand Luke
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"What we have here is a failure to communicate "
I Love cool hand luke !!! That car wash scene is a classic !!
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"My man Luke can eat 50 eggs"
Cool Hand Luke
I wonder if his diet is contributing to his cold hands.
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Actually gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel are manufactured goods. Crude oil is a commodity. What the US is selling is refinery output.
The profit margin for fuel in the US is low compared to most countries. and it's declined substantially over the last few years. You're paying a LOT of taxes for each gallon. Especially you Californians -- 70 cents per gallon and climbing. The refinery margin is less than five cents a gallon. They make a lot more selling it to Europe and China.
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Hey Freetobeme,
That was an AWESOME diversion ... no really... Cool Hand Luck thrown in for good measure by HM... A few facts from Pono... SEA throwing a haymaker... Freetobeme doubling down... Just freaking BADASS! But I digress.
Found a pretty good emergency bar to keep in fridge at work and in surf pack... called PowerCrunch. Super tasty. Decent (not perfect) ingredient set, the fewest carbs of any bar that I have had... only 200 Calories though... I keep a jar of almond butter (and some Pocket Fuels) in my car for emergencies... So I spread some almond butter or pocket fuel on one of those PowerCrunch bars and have a pretty high protein, high fat, low carb snack. Not terribly Primal, but sure as sh*t better than fast food!
Sorry for rolling a grenade into the tent and then running off to the PX... but it was my son's 18th birthday this past weekend... so I took Friday off from work and took Joel and his Mom to do something specail... and I picked up two new boards... and my secret NW spot was FIRING on Sunday... (so much so that now I only have one new board... more on that later)
Tim
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FYI:
From the Carolina Journal:
CHARLOTTE — The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition is threatening to send a blogger to jail for recounting publicly his battle against diabetes and encouraging others to follow his lifestyle.
Chapter 90, Article 25 of the North Carolina General Statutes makes it a misdemeanor to “practice dietetics or nutrition” without a license. According to the law, “practicing” nutrition includes “assessing the nutritional needs of individuals and groups” and “providing nutrition counseling.”
Steve Cooksey has learned that the definition, at least in the eyes of the state board, is expansive.
When he was hospitalized with diabetes in February 2009, he decided to avoid the fate of his grandmother, who eventually died of the disease. He embraced the low-carb, high-protein Paleo diet, also known as the “caveman” or “hunter-gatherer” diet. The diet, he said, made him drug- and insulin-free within 30 days. By May of that year, he had lost 45 pounds and decided to start a blog about his success.
But this past January the state diatetics and nutrition board decided Cooksey’s blog — Diabetes-Warrior.net — violated state law. The nutritional advice Cooksey provides on the site amounts to “practicing nutrition,” the board’s director says, and in North Carolina that’s something you need a license to do.
Unless Cooksey completely rewrites his 3-year-old blog, he could be sued by the licensing board. If he loses the lawsuit and refuses to take down the blog, he could face up to 120 days in jail.
Regulatory overreach? I’d say so.
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SL
Have to agree......... seems pretty over the top. I guess we're heading to a place where we will need a license to express our opinion.
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Here is where we are , not heading!!!
the Obama administration have been commencing full scale raids on individual farmers, as well as on family farms, under the auspices of non-legislative regulation created by the ATF, EPA, and FDA.
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-extends-attacks-on-farmers-by-confiscating-bank-accounts (http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-extends-attacks-on-farmers-by-confiscating-bank-accounts)
Health Dept. Tyrant Raids Organic Picnic to Destroy The Food!
Health Dept. Tyrant Raids Organic Picnic to Destroy The Food!.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3krStI6y4#ws)
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Read this article today and though about this tread.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/going-vegetarian-poses-own-set-potential-health-risks-185053959.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/going-vegetarian-poses-own-set-potential-health-risks-185053959.html)
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What a journey this has been !!! It was not to bad switching to Paleo , once I got used to thinking , eating and training differently... it's second nature. Started at 227 lbs in Feb of 2011 and now 177 lbs !! I'll be 51 on Sunday !! I know i'm in better shape than I was at 25 !!
Aloha
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Amazing results . You look great (not sure how to say that without being hazled :D ) . I bet your risk of cardiovascular disease has dropped a lot as an extra bonus..
Very inspirational for all of us.
You are a true hero !!
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Looking good Scotty! For the most part, still sticking to Primal living but I'm doing some Insanity cardio because "cardio" was lacking in my paddling regimen and probably my biggest weakness. I don't pound the Insanity workouts everday as it suggests but fit it into my lifestyle while giving my body reasonable breaks. I've already seen and feel the results, but I attribute the greatest gains to the Primal Lifestyle! Live it!
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I started my Primal diet this past Friday. So far so good. I would have to say it is a little more expensive to shop this way but, the return of knowing I am helping myself to be healthier is worth it.
I did find this:
http://www.julianbakery.com/bread/paleo/ (http://www.julianbakery.com/bread/paleo/)
Anyone try it yet?
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I was eating similar to paleo for the most part, but went on full bore primal last thurs. I keep apples , organic dried mangos, organic dried apricots, bananas, and roasted almonds for snacks in my vehicle. Tonight I had lobster , half an acorn squash, and a salad . For lunch I had soup and a salad.
I'm really craving some grains, oatmeal, or my usual whole wheat bagel with egg whites and veggie sausage. I took the whole wheat bagel out of the mix but would love to find a slow burning carb- like grain thingy.
I can do this diet no problem. The only difficulty is that I'm feeling hungry alot. BTW, my cholesterol was around 270 a few years back even though I ate pretty healthy. Now I'm pretty much programmed not to eat red meat, egg yolks , and dairy fat. Thus my confusion with people saying that the primal diet will lower cholesterol with red meat and eggs on the menu, along with a little cheese in moderation. Any opinons about this would be appreciated.
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whats crackin piece of 8 ~ oatmeal every morning for me with frozen fruit dropped in while cooking or raisins and almond slivers on top with cinnamon…..boyahhhh! i eat 2.5 servings every am and not hungry for at least 4 hours.
quinoa may be the grain your looking for…i make a quinoa with edamame beans and pineapple…tons of variations. also legumes are slowly digested.
if your looking to lean out maybe slow ur roll with the bagels and bananas ;D
when your feeling that hunger kick in immediately POUND a glass of h2o and a handful of nuts!
ive never done paleo or primal and dont pretend to know jack about it…did go vegan for a stint but am back to eggs and fish but no meat or dairy products ever!
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Hey piece of 8 .
I would strongly suggest buying the book "paleo diet solution" it explains so well the science behind our choices for food. If you don't have a really solid grasp of how this works and why you are setting yourself up for a harder go at it.
If you are really going full bore paleo. No grains or starches and getting 60% of your calories from good fat... coconut oil, grass fed free range beef, nuts then there is no way you should be hungry all the time.
You have to stop eating those fruits. Apples and Bannanas are LOADED with sugars and high in carbs, they will spike your insulin big time. If you are getting hungry it's cause your adding touch fruit in with your diet. I can miss dinner and breakfast and really not get hungry like I used to. Even though your eating fruit it is spiking your insulin which causes you to get hungry, it's a sort of roller coaster effect.
Again read the book "The Paleo Diet solution" By Rob wolf and you will gain a huge amount of knowledge and set yourself up for succes.
Good luck.
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Sea,
Thanks. Just experimenting this week with somewhat limited knowledge, other than the primal shopping list from a prominent blogger on the subject. I want to tweak it a bit because this seems like the way to go for me. I'll def check out the book.
Free- love quinoa but again, no grains or legumes, which may lead to my downfall. I think eating like a caveman makes alot of sense for our bodies. I just hope that they liked beer.
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You have to stop eating those fruits. Apples and Bannanas are LOADED with sugars and high in carbs, they will spike your insulin big time. If you are getting hungry it's cause your adding touch fruit in with your diet. I can miss dinner and breakfast and really not get hungry like I used to. Even though your eating fruit it is spiking your insulin which causes you to get hungry, it's a sort of roller coaster effect.
SEA,
On the primal diet you can have fruit.
Here is a link to a shopping list PDF straight from Mark Sisson's web site:
http://cdn.marksdailyapple.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Primal-Blueprint-Shopping-List.pdf (http://cdn.marksdailyapple.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Primal-Blueprint-Shopping-List.pdf)
see second page...plenty of fruit to choose from. In his book he does prefer you eat pitted fruit.
;D
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actually i heard cavemen invented beer by drinking fermented mammoth piss :D
wow, not sure i could ever go without grains, best of luck!!!
really "my diet" is only based on my personal ethics and how foods make me feel through trial and error. pretty simple that way. also i go with the ancient proverb of eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dine like a pauper!
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You are right Salt H2O
You can eat some fruit! when you first start eating primal you want to limit carb intake to between 50 and a 100 carbs a day. Apples and Bananas are very high in Carbs . There are other fruits which would be better.
When I started eating paleo I did not eat any fruit for 6 months or so. Once my body was in the groove so to speak I began eating some fruit. I really don't eat much now anyway. I get my carbs mostly from vegetables and nuts, with the occasional fruit. When you first start eating Paleo you want to get over the hump and transition your body from converting carbs into energy to getting it's energy from fat. Your liver becomes the converter of fat to energy. If you are still eating fruit while your body is making that transition , it will make it much harder for the body to transition.
Again reading Rob Wolfs book "the Paleo diet solution" explain all this and will give you a huge advantage in understanding the science behind this lifestyle. It is very hard to wrap your head around if you came from the Low fat, High carb, lean protein camp. It is so different.
My mom was trained that ALL fat is bad and we need to minimize fat intake and eat a high carb diet. Oatmeal and banana for breakfast is a good example. This has no protein or fat in it. So when she first started doing paleo she was complaining of being tired and having no energy. So I sat down with her and asked her to tell me what she ate that day for Breakfast Lunch and dinner. It turns out she was at best getting 15% of her calories from FAT not the needed 60%, she was getting too much carbs as well .. eating fruit, and she was only eating skinless chicken.
When I got my mom to eat grass fed beef, eating more nuts and started making shakes in the morning with raw eggs and coconut oil, and cut out her fruit intake .. her energy went through the roof. She eats almost no fruit now, maybe just for an occasional treat.
When I need extra carbs in my diet I usually eat some Japanese sweet potato or some blueberries in my shake.
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A serving of Oatmeal has 2.5g of fat and 5g of protein. That may not be as much as you want. But, it's not zero.
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Hey piece of 8..You have to stop eating those fruits.
Won't happen. 8 has a special relationship w/ fruit, and lots of it. He paddled 34miles w/ a produce section strapped to his board.
If the SS Piece went down in the North Atlantic, 8 would be manning the life boat station waving a pistol and yelling, "Cherries and apples first!" :D
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Spookini- See you for the Late Summah Paddle, Please be there on time!
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since reading these posts again i have changed my morning oatmeal routine to add some fats and now definitely do have more energy and brain power. this is what i do….
1.5 Cup organic whole grain Oats:Carbs (54g), Fat (9g), Protein (15), Sugars (2)
1 Cup frozen organic berries 16 0 1 20
1/3 Cup Walnut/Pecan mix 8 24 8 1
1/3 Cup Almond slivers 9 19 9 1
1 tbsp organic Coconut oil 0 14 0 0
Cinnamon to taste
Almond milk 4 6 2 0
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91 75 35 24
Ive been eating more than 1/2 of this every day for breakfast and less than 1/2 for lunch….NEVER HUNGRY!
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This Primal thing has been quite intriguing to me, so I checked more onto it. I had a relative that did the Atkins diet, and succumbed to a heart attack about a year into it. A diet of chicken fingers, sausage, cheese, and barely any fruit or veggies was deemed the culprit. I bough the Primal Blueprint and read it, and now realize that this is a completely different take on a low carb diet. In my opinion, not even comparable to most that I have read about in the past. It makes a lot of sense, and I'm now thinking that this may be the way to go, even if you didn't need to loose a bunch of weight. I may be giving this a shot to see what it does for me. I dig the success stories that have been posted on here.
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Good for you Fark
I would suggest reading Rob Wolfs book as well as he really goes into the science behind the Paleo way of eating. Super interesting read, lots of good info.
Book is Paleo Diet Solution by Rob Wolf
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Good on ya Fark! I went super Paleo... dropped to college weight... and then dialed back a little. VERY easily maintained a very good weight with it. A shade over 6'1", and maintained 185 pounds pretty easily for quite some time.
Work got a little bit too intense (excuse 1) ... did a little bit too much travel (excuse 2)... and really working day and night due to attempts to relocate life to the beach (excuse 3)... and got off the plan a smidge... and the photographers have stopped calling to schedule underwear shoots... but my Paleo instincts have kept me from blowing up.
Now that the holidays are upon us, I am going wade further into the Paleo pool... in order to avoid the holiday food that will shoot me up over two bills in the blink of an eye.
I am going to start a separate thread called: "What did you eat today Fatso??" to motivate me and anyone else to honestly digest (pun intended) what they eat in a given day. If participants are honest with themselves and the Zone... you will meet you goals... if not, then not.
Hopefully this new thread is in time for the Holidays... much like my last "Holiday Fatness" thread or something along those lines.
I am going to post my first day before I go to bed tonight... (then I will sneak a half gallon of Rocky Road on top of a home made waffle...)
SL
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g up.
I am going to start a separate thread called: "What did you eat today Fatso??" to motivate me and anyone else to honestly digest (pun intended) what they eat in a given day. If participants are honest with themselves and the Zone... you will meet you goals... if not, then not.
SL
Have you started it yet?
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I'm so glad I found this thread 2 months ago. I have been Primal for about that long. Downloaded Mark Sisson's book and read it in two days. Hard to argue with eating real food from nature.
It really opened my eyes to how a lot of the medical establishment is about only really putting on a band aid. They are quick to teat the symptom but not the cause.
Case in point: I was having really bad heartburn all the time. Wake you up in the night kind. I had reached my end. I was about to go to the doctor to get on Nexium or something. Well I haven't had the severe heartburn since I started.
Kind of a duh answer really. Don't eat shit and you won't have heartburn. However, a doctor won't tell people that, just prescribe something. Obviously we should be able to come to this conclusion are selves. Most people just don't want to face reality. Gives new meaning to "Have your cake and eat it to"
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I've gotten to know a guy that works at the gym I go to. We have alot of conversations about health and I started talking to him about Paleo after he mentioned his high cholesterol. This guy is probably mid to late 50's, not overweight at all. He didn't really express interest in Paleo until I brought the Paleo Diet Solution in for one of the girls that works there, to glance through while I was working out.
Well this guy Fred picks it up,starts looking through it, so I offered to lend it to him for a few days. I came back to pick up the book and he had already ordered one from Amazon. About a week after that he informs me that he is going to start the program for 30 days and follow it exactly as the book suggests. He told me he's probably going to start after the holidays.
I was pretty stoked and I'm excited to see how he looks and feels afterwards. I'll try to give some input here but hoping that he'll come here himself and fill us in on how he's doing and feeling as he goes through it.
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Good going P of 8 !!
It is such a good feeling to help in some small way and see people transform their lives. I have gotten literally dozens of my friends to go Paleo. The latest was my friends son he is about 5'9" and weighed about 320. 4 months later he is down to 215 !!! he is 20 years old and his whole outlook on life has changed !! He cam up to me last weekend and said " thank you uncle for being our friend and changing our families lives, if it wasn't for you and helping us live paleo we would be in bad shape" . I was humbled :) His dad was on lipitor, high blood pressure medicine, and gout medicine and he has lost about 30 pounds in the last month, his wife lost about 40 pounds !! They have 4 kids 3 have gone Paleo !!
Anyway once you begin this Paleo lifestyle it is really hard to go back, and once others see the transformation they begin to ask questions. This is not for everyone but it CAN be for anyone ! :)
Aloha
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Sorry to resurrect the thread, but just saw it and what a great one!
Ive been probably 80/20 Paleo for the last 8 months. I stumbled upon it due to a bad cholesterol test.
Always worked out my entire life since I was 5 years old, ate the “healthy” diet of low fat, high grains/carb. Ive had many cholesterol tests and it always puzzled me why my good(HDL) cholesterol was always below normal. My bad(LDL) and triglycerides were always normal. Total cholesterol which is effectively meaningless was also normal. Fast forward to last year, I had been eating even stricter, more fiber and whole grains, less fat and I had my worst cholesterol test ever. HDL-33, LDL-134, Trig- 194.
That was a Thursday, immediately started eating true Paleo on Friday. Went to the doctor to get another baseline cholesterol test the following Tuesday, as the previous one was at my companies health screening and my numbers had already completely reversed. HDL-55, LDL-122, Trig-46. Some may say it’s a fluke but Ive never been in the 50’s for HDL in any cholesterol test I’ve ever had.
However, Im very interested in cholesterol seeing as heart attacks are the no 1. killer and it appears that the standard cholesterol tests don’t tell us our true risk and are also somewhat meaningless. That’s why over 50% of heart attack patients have normal cholesterol tests. A VAP or NMR lipid profile really gives us the clear picture. This measures the number of particles and particle sizes, that matter.
Anyway, I want to move closer to the 90/10% primal as I realized I eat too much fruit in bananas and apples. Yeah, I cheat sometimes when I don’t have any other choices or we all go out for pizza as a family but I don’t lose one bit of sleep over it, because in the end I know I’m still doing my body a huge favor by my eating lifestyle.
However, my struggle is breakfast…..for the last 8 months Ive been eating a Greek Yoghurt and a banana with some nuts. I run out the door at 6.30am, so feel limited in what I can grab……suggestions from folks that may be quick and easy and be healthier? My thought is the shake route.
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Skibike,
I've seen some recipes for breakfast cupcakes that can be made ahead of time in bulk. Using a cupcake pan fill the voids with sausage, bacon, veggies of your choice. Bake for a while(20-30 mins) and then fill the voids with eggs and bake some more(20 mins). Let them cool and pop them out. Reheat/nuke when you want to eat them. I've seen this recipe several places with varying details. If you check the various forums like on mark's Daily Apple you'll find at least one recipe there.
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I just got from a meeting with fellow doctors that was held by the european heart association. I was given this example that I find very illustrative:
A 60 old male, non smoker with a systolic bloodpressure of 160 mmHg og Total kolesterol of 6 mmol/l has a 10- years risk of dying from cardiovascular disease that is 8,6 % and his total risk of dying is 20,7 % (!!!) . His exspected lifespan is 19 years . Standard Statin-treatment will lover his 10 year risk of dying with a whooping 0,9 % (20,7% - 19,8 %) and a added lifespan of 5 month
I am not saying tha high kolesterol shouldnt be treated but we need to reserve prescribition medicine to those who really need it
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Thanks Old School. Now that Ive got the wife on board too, it will make it easier and I enjoyed my first 2 breakfasts with the cupcakes and the other I had the shake. Surprisingly I though Id be hungrier after just a shake but held out okay.
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Our standard breakfast has become a baked egg dish I "invented". Chop up spinach or kale along with ham, mushrooms and fill either a big baking dish or a couple of small loaf pans with the mix (lube the pans first with a liberal coating of coconut oil). Whip eggs with a little parmesan or other hard cheese, and a little soft goat cheese with a fork. Dash of cream or yogurt if you like. Pour it slowly in so it can fill in all the air spaces. Bake at 375 for about 20 minutes.
You can eat it hot, or let it cool and cut into squares to munch on the way to dawn patrol or work (WORK!!). Channeling my inner Maynard G Krebs.
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That sounds similar to what I just had for dinner, except I've never tried baking mine--just put it all in a big skillet. Always use the eggs, parmesan cheese, mushrooms, spinach or kale, and sometimes one or more of onion, green onion, and/or peppers. Sometimes add chicken or sausage. Add ground beef and you have Joe's Special. You can use anywhere from 1 to a dozen eggs. Great for dinner, then leftovers the next day for any meal. Or add some more eggs to some of the leftovers the next day for breakfast.
Or add tomato sauce and maybe some black olives and substitute pasta :o for the eggs...
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Sounds great. Do you guys have any limit in terms of the amount of eggs you will eat per day or week?
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Eggs, eggs, eggs - no limit other than getting tired of them sometimes
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I'm so glad I found this thread 2 months ago. I have been Primal for about that long. Downloaded Mark Sisson's book and read it in two days. Hard to argue with eating real food from nature.
It really opened my eyes to how a lot of the medical establishment is about only really putting on a band aid. They are quick to teat the symptom but not the cause.
Case in point: I was having really bad heartburn all the time. Wake you up in the night kind. I had reached my end. I was about to go to the doctor to get on Nexium or something. Well I haven't had the severe heartburn since I started.
Kind of a duh answer really. Don't eat shit and you won't have heartburn. However, a doctor won't tell people that, just prescribe something. Obviously we should be able to come to this conclusion are selves. Most people just don't want to face reality. Gives new meaning to "Have your cake and eat it to"
same deal with me on Hearburn BBQ-not dialed in with Paleo yet but dropped some weight and started eating better and now rarely have heartburn-trying to go more Paleo lately.
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I'm so glad I found this thread 2 months ago. I have been Primal for about that long. Downloaded Mark Sisson's book and read it in two days. Hard to argue with eating real food from nature.
It really opened my eyes to how a lot of the medical establishment is about only really putting on a band aid. They are quick to teat the symptom but not the cause.
Case in point: I was having really bad heartburn all the time. Wake you up in the night kind. I had reached my end. I was about to go to the doctor to get on Nexium or something. Well I haven't had the severe heartburn since I started.
Kind of a duh answer really. Don't eat shit and you won't have heartburn. However, a doctor won't tell people that, just prescribe something. Obviously we should be able to come to this conclusion are selves. Most people just don't want to face reality. Gives new meaning to "Have your cake and eat it to"
same deal with me on Hearburn BBQ-not dialed in with Paleo yet but dropped some weight and started eating better and now rarely have heartburn-trying to go more Paleo lately.
Yep, was having bad heartburn and even had my acid levels measured which were high....since being on Paleo, Ive come off my heartburn medication. Got my father-in-law eating less carbs and he too has dropped his heartburn medication in half.
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Sounds great. Do you guys have any limit in terms of the amount of eggs you will eat per day or week?
I never think of it. Maybe a dozen per week but varies a lot. They're great for you--the reasons for limiting them aren't valid.
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Do you guys have any limit in terms of the amount of eggs you will eat per day or week?
Ah, I didn't say how many. I have about 2 to 3 per day, sometimes more, rarely less.
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This has probably been around awhile but thought it was hilarious
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Yep, was having bad heartburn and even had my acid levels measured which were high....since being on Paleo, Ive come off my heartburn medication. Got my father-in-law eating less carbs and he too has dropped his heartburn medication in half.
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Try not to go to bed for at least 2 hours after eating . This will stop most heart burn and acid reflux . It worked for my brother in law and a few other friends when going paleo. You also should be taking a good natural pro biotic. I eat Kim Chee (with no MSG) Kiefer made from Grass fed un pasteurized cow milk. Or there are some good Probiotics that come in Pill form. If your flora is out of whack in your stomach it WILL crate chaos in the stomach. Also people who are starting Paleo after years of a HIGH carb , low fat way of eating can be suffering from many stomach ailments, Like leaky gut syndrome which many have , also ulcers. If you adhere to a strict Paleo diet for a few months you should see most of those ailments disappear. Again in order to come clean so to speak, one must apply Paleo very strictly for the first 3 or 4 months ..... IMHO.
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I think I worded that statement wrong. I did have heartburn but it stopped once on a Paleo diet.
For the last 2-3 weeks now Ive been pretty strict about my Paleo diet. The funny thing is that even though before this I was on a 80/20 or 70/30 plan for roughly 8 months, I didnt lose a single pound even though I was a heavy carb eater prior. This somewhat throws that whole philosophy about carbs promoting storage of fat into question for me. I know it works for so many but really strange nothing happened with my weight. But, its not like I carry excess anyway. Will see if this strict plan does anything.....but nothing so far.
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Sorry bro misunderstood
If you keep your carb intake between 50 and 75 grams a day .... which is not much at all you WILL lose weight.
If you are like my daughter 90 pounds soaking wet... she has been Paleo for a year now and is LOVING it . She has not lost a pound thank goodness :)
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Interesting, I just saw this thread. How am I getting primal? Inspired by Mark Sisson, I started SUP. Reading his book and seeing him talk about sup got me interested ages ago but I've finally started sup a few months back. Being on and around water is about as primal as it gets.
Oh, yeah, I've been eating primal/paleo for a couple of years too.
My favorite recipe is probably sweet potato rosti.
Peel then grate a sweet potato (ours are the orange fleshed ones)
Beat a few eggs, maybe with some pure cream if you do dairy
Mix the eggs into the sweet potato
Spoon portions of the mixture into a pan and fry until cooked and golden.
Thick takes longer to cook but are great. Thin and crispy is also good.
We sometimes have them for breakfast, topped with an egg or two (fried, scrambled, poached, etc), some crispy bacon and avocado. Mmmm or replace the bacon with salmon - also good. Oh yeah
Now, I have to go read this whole thread.......
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Primal since Jan 14
Lost 13 lbs so far
Only average 10 hrs a week paddling - been REAL windy & cold
I use Goat, Feta, Parmesan very sparingly as accents
Butter (tad for cooking) is from grain fed cows
Coconut oil for frying
1 Absolute & Diet Coke 3/4 time a week
Former Diet Coke Addict...
but I ain't giving up my 1 drink a few time a week
Cavemen ate lots of fermented fruit (intoxicating)
Many Thanks to Strand Leper for the thread
.... and Sea for the motivation and beatings :-*
Ate like below picture yesterday....woke up today... lost 2 lbs
I think this is something I can live with ;D
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Sorry bro misunderstood
If you keep your carb intake between 50 and 75 grams a day .... which is not much at all you WILL lose weight.
If you are like my daughter 90 pounds soaking wet... she has been Paleo for a year now and is LOVING it . She has not lost a pound thank goodness :)
Im definately staying in that carb limit and nothing...scale stays the same. I guess I just have one of those metabolisms that keeps me constant.
But then again seeing what some of you people are only eating like supthe creek above, Im not surprised youre losing weight. A measly salad between breakfast and dinner doesnt cut it for me, and if I ate like that, Id probably be dropping pounds too. I never was in that camp of proteins fill me up anyway in fact I felt the opposite, that carbs were more satisfying.
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skibike
I didn't get to 305lbs by eating salads :o
That was a while ago.. but still, my eating habits we're driven by my tastes.
I love the fat flavors. I have been an acknowledged carb addict for a long time.
Every bout at weight loss was an exercise in restraint.
The thing about primal that has me eating better is the fact that I can eat fat.
It tastes great. It satisfies me.
No willpower needed.
I hear you on the salad thing... I felt exactly the same way... do nothing for me :-\
So I added fat and crunch
My lunch salad yesterday included mayo & oil cuz I love them... today, I dropped both and , although less satisfying... was still moist, crunchy, and tasty.
The avocado provides the fatty, creamy texture
The nuts provide the nice crunch
The Onion provide sweet
The spices give it "zing"
I can live with this... occasionally, I'll add goat cheese, or a touch mayo back to fill a void.
Today will be seafood....
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What the....? The Creek has gone PAL-E-O? :o :-[
In other news, the skating pond in hell is now open.
The fat lady is on her 2nd set of show tunes.
A flock of pigs just flew overhead.
And Elvis... he's GONE and waiting to make a left out of the parking lot.
Say it ain't so, Rick.
Free-range BUTTER??
Michelle Obama would be so proud of your food choices, man!! :D
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Spook... I know the left has a primal claim on everything natural.... hell, they own everything that they deem worthwhile.
Mrs Obama would be proud of me why?... because I came over to your side?...
Typical arrogant lefty view ;D
But if I have your permission... I guess I'll continue to graze in the leftist foodmart.
Thank God for bipartisanship.
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Aww, don't mind me Rick. I'm amazed at your progress.
13 lbs in 11 days?? That's incredible. I gotta give you some good-natured ribbing while I still can. At this rate, you might actually DISAPPEAR by Springtime ;D
I've actually been Paleo-ish recently. (Although DunkinDonuts and frozen pizza is a bit of an Achilles heel.) And the whole "give up dairy" thing, I can't get behind....
Your menu items look pretty tasty. But if I hear you've given up real pasta for 'spaghetti squash', I will start to worry... Before long you might be tempted to buy a "share" at the local organic farm co-op (run by leftist hippies). Be careful my friend, it's a slippery slope~!!
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spook... we gotta paddle or surf soon ;D (if we ever get any)
Pasta is out...
Spaghetti squash is in!
I was a 3 gallon of milk a week guy... every meal... every day
But... I'm ok without it...
All the old loves, like milk, are in my fridge everyday... for others....
No problem
It's true what they say... your needs are met... and you are satisfied.
No will power needed.
Everyday... I need less.
Healthy food is even starting to look god to me :o
No fear of me wisping away... I have a survival body... it finds a way to store enough.
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Creek !! Awesome man !!
I am proud of you brother keep it up , it sounds like you have found the truth and it set you FREE!!
No will power needed ... we eat as much as our bodies desire , sometimes it is a lot and sometimes not so much . I have NEVER deprived myself of Calories or nutrition, it's just a matter of choosing what kind of fuel your gonna put in your engine. Paleo is High octane NON ethanol (NO CORN) fuel for the engine. I get better gas mileage and my fuel lines and my engine don't fall apart or get clogged up. ( Very low inflammation , google what inflammation does to your heart, veins and joints )
If you find yourself STARVING after missing a meal then something is wrong with your meal plan. What causes you to get Hungry all the time is insulin spikes , from High glycemic carbs. Apples , bananas and strawberries have very high sugar contents.
Once you'r body has stopped losing weight and it is at it's most efficient and natural BMI , you will and should be very in tune with your body. I can tell when I have had too much carbs like NUTS and Okinawa Sweet potato, cause I will start to get overly hungry. If I eat too much fat I'll begin to see it on my stomach line and pants get a little snug... might even feel a little sluggish (lack of energy) . When I get most of my calories from protein and Fat and stay within a hundred to 150 grams of good carbs a day and get 60% calories from good fat, I NEVER GET HUNGRY.
Remember to adjust carbs according to your energy output. If just going to work and not doing much then carbs should be at a minimum. If training hard and paddling often or working out then Carb AND fat must be increased . Optimally more fat than Carbs is needed when training hard.
Everyone is different and it takes becoming very in tune with your body and how it reacts to different foods, carbs and fat intake.
If you skip a meal and you find yourself getting super hungry that is a dead giveaway your not doing this right.
When I am eating right and training correctly. I can eat one meal in the morning before a 8 mile race. Do the race and not even be hungry till 3 or 4 in the afternoon.
People who chime in on these threads and say they gotta eat often and think we are starving ourselves do not understand the science behind eating this way. This is why I often recommend Rob Wolf's "Paleo Diet Solution" he lays out the exact science behind how your body reacts to eating certain foods and types. The chemical changes and reactions you get internally when you choose to eat certain foods. Once you understand why your getting hungry after skipping only one meal you will have a better understanding of what your doing wrong.
Here is a classic example. I have a friend whose son is 23 he is a pro surfer and is about 5'!! and maybe 170 not an ounce of body fat on him. He has been Paleo since Jan 1st. He came to me last week and said he was getting super hungry and he was going to quit. I asked him what was he eating in the morning. He said a protein shake with 3 raw eggs , coconut oil ( all very good) AND ..... a Banana , Strawberries and blueberries !! BINGO there was his reason for being super hungry after a couple hours.
I told him cut out the Banana and the Strawberries. Use blueberries and thats it. I told him when he knows he will be in a contest or surfing for many hours eat some sweet potato like one medium size one and a couple tablespoons of coconut oil in the evening the day before. The morning of eat shake And just before going surfing Down a Little bit of nuts ,couple of small handful's and about 2 to 3 table spoons of coconut oil .
He called me the other day and told me he started doing that and his energy level has gone through the roof and he no longer gets hungry when he does a Long session of maybe 4 or 5 hours. BINGO !!!
It's all about what your eating , how much and how little.
60 % of calories must come from good fat (MINIMUM) .
It's all about playing around with foods until you understand what works for you in different activity situations. When we have a good comprehension of how and why different foods effects our metabolism , blood sugar and energy out put then adjusting is very easy. Knowledge is power. If you go into eating this way just thinking you'll cut back on eating rice and still have a few donut's and maybe some ice cream every once in a while your fooling yourself ... YOUR NOT PALEO won't ever gain the results you will by ... EATING RIGHT !!
Good going Creek YOU DA MAN !! I'M stoked for you brother keep it up this is an awesome Journey to go on. Sounds like you are well on the way. Got any questions PM me .
Aloha
Scotty
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Nice going Rick,
Eating healthy is alot like SUP, fun and addicting, especially after you begin to see results. Spaghetti squash is definitely in. Tonight I made my daughters favorite- chicken picatta with shallots,olive oil, fresh Italian herbs, pepper, low sodium chicken broth, capers, a little sea salt, and the juice of 3 fresh lemons. I let it reduce down on simmer and I served it over spaghetti squash,alas, my daughter will only eat it over pasta. here's the pic:
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THAT LOOKS GOOD !!!
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I think everyones body is different and as you said, how they react.
As Ive mentioned, I havent lost any weight from this. I still struggle with hunger between meals and probably am snacking too much, with nuts. But even these last 3 weeks, Ive cut out all fruit except for the morning blueberries in my shake, added more oils etc. and Im still ready to snack by 10am and again by 3pm after lunch. I think I had a low body fat percentage to start with, so maybe it will just take longer for me to see any visual effects.
Cheers
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Hey SEA... I feel your stoke.... much like mine about winter paddling.... you just wish everyone got it.
I am northern European, Scottish, English decent. Bodies meant for long cold winters. Good at storing fat... and loving the taste. The foods I am eating probably suit my dna. I have had no issues with satisfaction or hunger.
I didn't feel hungry at lunch today, after a 1.5 hour paddle in 5 degree wind chill.... so I just had a small amount of nuts and a handful of blueberries. Fine all afternoon. The dinner I made was too big. I am adjusting my prep as my need decreases.
I mix up a batch of nuts, put in storage container in the fridge. Now I date the batch with tape on the top... to make sure I don't eat too much. I over did it at first... much less now. I always add blueberries when I eat them. yum... and satisfying.
Slowly learning new food.
A girl I know has her own organic farm. Talked to her tonight... her eggs are from the best 100% organic chickens...all free range. $5.00 a dozen. Can't wait! She also has pork and beef. Raise's them all herself... great big place out in the woods. I used to have my own chickens, so I know how much better those eggs are.
Mr8- I haven't found any spaghetti squash yet... looking, but none so far... I'm going to have to venture to the right markets. Soon. Thanks for the pic.... as you can tell, I'm a visual guy.
I don't do any of the shakes... I need solid food. I love eggs and meat in the am... gets me right for the day.
I don't take any snacks or drinks on my paddles now... don't miss them.
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hey creek- Nice score on the meat and eggs. Its good to support your local farmers. Next time on your way off Cape it would be worth a trip to Marketbasket at the Sagamore Bridge. I get huge spaghetti squash there and they also have a good selection of grass-fed ground beef,steaks,and bison. You can also get lean pork loin for like $1.99 a pound and cut into portions and freeze. I get cage free, all natural eggs there for under $3.00 a dozen. The grass fed ground beef has been flying off the shelves there. I think alot of people are waking up to the fact that the FDA is really not on our side and we are allowed to eat all the crap in our food supply that agribusiness can lobby for. The shipments come in on Satuday. Lately the store has been falling short of demand because of supply problems, but they usually have it in stock. To top it off, the prices here are superb.
Also, if you're in Hyannis, try Trader Joes for organic coconut oil for cooking. Its the best pricing that I've found. They also have pure unsweetened green and white tea in a gallon container. I've searched far and wide for unsweetened tea and this is the only place I could find it. In the morning I'll pour a 1/4 glass of tart cherry juice with no added sugar, and then top off the glass with unsweetened tea. Its refreshing and adds just a tad of natural sweetening without refined sugar. Hope this helps
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Mr8... that's great... thanks.
I did not know about Trader Joes... my research turned up Chatham Natural Market but I have not been there... was going today, but a paddle trip and a buddies birthday party had priority.
Good to know about Marketbasket... now I have an excuse to buy cheap gas off Cape.... it drops .30 just over the bridge.
Can't stand any kind of tea, coffee or beer.... how un-American of me.
Great birthday party.... shrimp, lamb chops, pineapple chunks, crab, pepperoni, deviled eggs... easy to by pass the chips, dips and cheese.... then no dinner!
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I haven't found any spaghetti squash yet... looking, but none so far...
Me too, I've searched but not yet seen one. I think they aren't in our part of Australia yet
What I did discover is a Julienne peeler that cuts veges like zucchini (or corgettes or whatever) into really fine, spaghetti-like strips, meant for putting in salad but I found when lightly steamed they are ok as a pasta substitute. Our peeler is like this one but there's lots of types out there
http://www.kitchenwaresuperstore.com.au/zyliss-julienne-peeler-p-4494.html
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cool... thanks isup
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Gentlemen YOU MAKE YOUR OWN ZUCCHINI Spaghetti noodles
By one of these: Julienne Peeler
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UOLPMW/ref=asc_df_B001UOLPMW2363413?smid=AAS4S0QRLHZE6&tag=sdcbing8-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395129&creativeASIN=B001UOLPMW (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UOLPMW/ref=asc_df_B001UOLPMW2363413?smid=AAS4S0QRLHZE6&tag=sdcbing8-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395129&creativeASIN=B001UOLPMW)
Just run along the length of the Zucchini and voila it's Spaghetti noodles !!!!! After that dump them in hot water and blanch drain in colander and put whatever pale sauce you can come up with . GOOD !!!
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My bad guys did not see the post about the peeler .... you guys is on it !!
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My bad guys did not see the post about the peeler .... you guys is on it !!
Well it's good to know I'm not the only one. And....
You briefly boil before blanching
I slightly steam
I shall give your method a go and see how it goes.
Especially since it shows superior alliteration!
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This thread seems to have faded into extinction... but I will try to resuscitate it with my primal progress. 21 days = 20 lbs lost. Start weight 261 lbs.... since Feb 1st 241 lbs
I like pictures, as everyone knows.... so it just seemed natural to use pictures to track my journey into the primordial lifestyle.
I found that in Iphoto, that I could make a "Book" of my daily eating and exercise. I used the "Yearbook" theme because it allowed for lots of pictures with captions per page. Each day gets it's own page. I put pics and ingredients of all daily food intake and pictures of my daily physical activity. Excess slots are filled with photos I like or feel is interesting to the journey.
It helps me review food, exercise and progress.... and it's fun ;D
I am 3 weeks into it and I am more than reasonably certain, that this is now the way I view and enjoy food. Period. It has survived gourmet birthday parties, dinners out and the Superbowl. It is simply very easy to do and entirely satisfying. It leaves behind so many foods that I absolutely loved... the foods that would eventually derail my "healthy" eating weight loss plan of the moment. Primal is different... I love everything... I am satisfied... I eat all I want.
Anyway... stoke over... pictures of my primal "book".
Plus 1 picture of all my meals in the last 3 weeks. Missing meals were at parties or just redundant "Nut Mix"
My weight is posted next to the date at the bottom of each page.
Blue = gain
Black = no change
Red = loss
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Sup---one of the most informative posts ever. Thanks.
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Damn. Pics of food... This thread is way better than the hot chicks ....
At least that's what I tell my wife. I always wear sunglasses walking thru our beach town... my eyes safely rolling around like Marty Feldman
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For those on the verge, do it. My fatest point last summer was 243. I started going Paleo around the end of August. Yesterday I weighed 189. This stuff works!!!!!!!!!!!
Dropped from a 40 to 34 in pants.
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bbqSUPer... soon to be paleoSUPer ;D
Nice work bbq.... thanks for the inspiration....hope I report similar results in 6 months. I am right at the point where most other attempts at shrinkage became bogged down. But this is now my life... so I expect to continue my downfall.
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I read this thread and started Jan. 18th (just over 2 weeks ago). I was as high as 248 when I started SUP'ing in March of 2011. I dropped to 228 in Sep. 2011 but hit 242 over the following winter. I got down to 232 in Sep. of 2012 and have fluctuated between 232 and 238. Since I started Primal, I'm down to 229. Hopefully, the progress will continue. I'm 6'2" and hope to get to 190-200.
My brother is doing it with me. Also, a friend on here but I'll let him identify himself if he chooses.
Between SUP and this thread, this forum has resulted in some big, positive changes.
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Awesome work on that post Rick. It looks like an illustrated paleo cookbook. " The Paleo Solution" has no pictures of food in it. It would have great to see just how good this healthy food looks. I'd be salivating over that egg and bison burger more than an ice cream sundae. Its easy for me to do because I like this food.
Pguidry- SUP and paleo has been a very positive thing for me as well. I traditionally gain 2 inches on waist and 18-20 pounds over the winter. Nov. 2011 was at 218-220 lbs. and started to go the gym regularly. With all my paddling and training I was at 195 by the Late Summah Paddle in Sept. 2012. Started paleo Nov. 2012 and I'm still around 196-198 even without all the intense paddling that I usually do in the spring and summer that gets me to that weight. I'd probably be less than that, but being unemployed has led to an increase in PBRs, with a lime of course, at my local place after the gym!
I'm doing paleo 95% of the time and it definitely works for me (Does anyone know if they came out with Paleo type beer in a can that sells for 2 bucks as well?)!
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Dropped from a 40 to 34 in pants.
Congrats bbq, well done.
I agree, it works!
Going paleo/primal has helped me drop from 92kg (202.6 lb) down to 78kg (171.5 lb). A bit of body weight exercise has helped maintain and build some muscle mass (would like to put on a couple of kg of muscle next). I need to go shopping for clothes again because everything is too big - down from a 36 and now a 32 or 33 I think). I feel the best I ever have.
SUP is my play time :-)
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This thread seems to have faded into extinction... but I will try to resuscitate it with my primal progress. 21 days = 20 lbs lost.
Congrats, that's some great progress. With the right food (yours looks fantastic) it's pretty easy isn't it?
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OK guys, I'm in. Reading this thread got me curious. About the first of the year, I started of eating some boiled eggs, olives, nuts, avacados, more animal fats and it has escalated from there. I immediately began to notice my gut seemed more content. Acid reflux problem gone. Food cravings diminished greatly. More satisfied. Bought the Primal Blueprint book and I am about half way through it. Was about 209 when I started getting interested. Have now cut out almost all "dead food". Used to eat salty snacks every single day. Chips, crackers, you name it. They are history!! Do not eat sandwiches any more. In fact, I don't eat bread any more, except an occasional sub. I am also doing some intermittent fasting as well. Just eat late in the morning, call it what you want. Used to eat cereal each morning, but I am completely over that. It is all clicking and making sense to me. Energy level is better and more even. Carb highs and crashing gone. I am not totally strict about it. I still have the occasional spaghetti or ice cream or something else so I don't feel like I am in food prison. Weekends are more relaxed than during the week. I still drink beer or wine daily. Don't plan to give that up at this point. I have dropped down to 201 in just a few weeks and I suspect that the weight loss will continue as my exercise ramps up more with the warmer weather. This blueprint has given me some new wind in my sails. My weight has been escalating about a 1- 2 pounds each year for the last ten or more years and I was getting discouraged that all of my gym rat efforts were not paying off. (I am 5 9 and just turned 52.) Now I wake up each day and look in the mirror to see if I am getting leaner. It is working!! My clothes are getting looser and I can feel the improvements in several ways. I have targeted 190 lbs and I think I can get there in a few months, if I keep this up. BBQ, your results are just amazing!! Way to go dude!!
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This thread has converted quite a few people. Good luck and stick with it. You won't be sorry.
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I am so STOKED for you guys who are just starting and for those who have been at it for a while. I have been at it for almost 3 years and It is AMAZING how well this works and how SIMPLE it is to stick to.
Of course having enough recipes really helps, as well as a wife who is more paleo than I am :) She cooks some awesome stuff !!
Here is some links she uses to get recipes and ideas for paleo eats !!! Enjoy .... I know I am :)
http://nomnompaleo.com/recipeindex (http://nomnompaleo.com/recipeindex)
http://www.elanaspantry.com/ (http://www.elanaspantry.com/)
http://paleotable.com/ (http://paleotable.com/)
http://civilizedcavemancooking.com/grain-free-goodies/apple-banana-cookies/ (http://civilizedcavemancooking.com/grain-free-goodies/apple-banana-cookies/)
http://www.againstallgrain.com/ (http://www.againstallgrain.com/)
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Thanks SEA
Always great to have experience help out with the menu ideas.... it is much appreciated.
How have your numbers looked during checkups? Do they support the premise?
I know it's good and I'm losing weight.... but I sure do eat a lot of stuff I've been programmed to avoid...
It would be great to hear some true life results on blood numbers etc
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My numbers last time I checked were all well within the range. I believe blood pressure was 117 over 70 and Triglyceride was well below average ( 40 I believe ). My cholesterol was about 220 . However when eating Paleo and getting 60% of diet from good fats your quote BAD cholesterol LDL can be broken down some more If you can get a more sophisticated blood test, you’ll want to look at LDL pattern A (large, fluffy LDL) and LDL pattern B (small, dense LDL – this is the key risk for CVD). My fluffy LDL was High which is typical of Paleo diet (typically a higher than normal HDL with low Triglyceride and Higher LDL A (fluffy ). If I was seeing a regular doctor they would have me on Statins for life !! There is a lot of good info on cholesterol levels when eating Paleo on Marks daily apple. How to interoperate cholesterol levels. A really good article to read even if your not Paleo, but especially if you are.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-interpret-cholesterol-test-results/ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-interpret-cholesterol-test-results/)
Also a good article on what you can expect when going Paleo and losing weight in the beginning and it's effects on health numbers.
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/06/i-lost-weight-and-my-cholesterol-went-up/ (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/06/i-lost-weight-and-my-cholesterol-went-up/)
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Thanks SEA
I haven't been to a Doctor in probably 20 years for anything but an ear infection, so I have never known what any of my numbers are. I know my B P has always been good, but that's the extent of it. I was wondering how it was working for those that do track the numbers because it does seem like a lot of fat.
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My wife made a chocolate Cake with strawberries . She used coconut flour !!! Fricken good and very low carb count .... I'm amazed at what she cooks with these Paleo recipes.
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I have been generally following the diet for about 4 weeks now and have dropped about 8 pounds. Looks like about 2 pounds per week. That is really amazing to me because I have been trying to get this off for years and nothing has seemed to work. Weight had been creeping up by 1-1 1/2 lbs per year for the last several years. Not only that, but this is the time of year when I generally weigh the most after putting on "winter weight" of an additional 5-6 lbs, which usually takes me all summer to drop off. I am now down to 199.5, just below my first step goal of 200. Next step goal is 195. I am hoping to be there by the end of February, or mid-March, and, based on what has occurred so far and reports from others, I expect to achieve that. Longer term goal is 185. I have not seen that number since I graduated from college!! Another positive is that if I continue to drop weight, I should see my board speed pick up as well!! I figure if I keep this up for another couple of years, I will completely disappear and the board will be paddling itself!!!! :D Clothes are fitting better, sugar and salt cravings are dropping, and I am starting to to get ripped again. Energy level is better and night time acid reflux is gone. Acid reflux used to wake me up about every other night prior to the diet. Getting rid of that alone is enough to make me want to follow the diet. I am pretty strict during week, but have what I want on weekends. I find that a reasonable approach that I can sustain. Thank goodness that I found this thread, as it has really begun to change my life for the better. I have NEVER really dieted, because I know that they just don't work. I always thought that I could make it up with more exercise, eating lean meats, vegetables and whole grain foods, but that formula began to fail me and the weight was piling on in recent years. I knew that I must be missing something, but I just did not get what it was. I was beginning to feel that my weight was out of control.
I can now see that I am recapturing my more youthful appearance and that is encouraging and exciting!!
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Nice RoD...Glad to hear your story.
I am totally loving the way my body feels as well.... NO where near ripped... but better...
diet lifestyle
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Good going Rod !!!
This whole process is an adventure and it becomes second nature. I'm proud of anyone who takes the bull by the horns and makes positive changes for themselves and their future. Keep us posted on your experience and the progress you make.
Aloha
Scotty
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Amazing stuff! SEA, that cake looks GOOD!
If you could throw out some more details on that bad boy... as I have a birthday coming up and would like to stay on the Paleo ranch during said celebration.
SL
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I'm with you RideOrDie. Thursday will be 4 weeks. I'm down 10 lbs today. Hoping for 10 a month for 2 months (and then 10-15 more to polish it off). Started at 237 shooting for 190. I plan on going from a 32" surf SUP to a 30" surf SUP.
Great parts are not really being hungry ever and my knee feels great. I dislocated it twice about 18 months apart and got 2 fun filled ACL surgeries. It hasn't feel good in a long time but dropping weight it feels good. I can even run a little with no pain.
Going to check SEA's recipe links. Sometimes it's hard to eat out and bringing snacks on long flatwater paddles is still a challenge. I get tired of a handful of cashews. I've seen some homemade "energy" bars that look good, just need to experiment.
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Going to check SEA's recipe links. Sometimes it's hard to eat out and bringing snacks on long flatwater paddles is still a challenge. I get tired of a handful of cashews. I've seen some homemade "energy" bars that look good, just need to experiment.
I was in the same boat brother ... lost about 50 pounds and bad knee is WAY better. I'm even doing sprints !! once a week.
How long are your paddles 2 ? 3 hours ? I find if I'm going to do a long paddle or a race, I will eat some extra sweet potato 2 days before and the morning of eat a few pieces more and also some drink some coconut oil . For me about 2 table spoons on top of my protein shake in the morning before race . I also drink a few coconut waters before the race to keep hydrated. Everyone is different so you will have to tinker with what works for you. I have never had to eat anything while paddling... just drink water and maybe a box of coconut water while out there.
Tim
My wife is e-mailing me the recipe for the chocolate coconut flour cake. When I get it I will post. She said the recipe called for 1 cup of maple syrup but she used way less honey instead. That was the only alteration from recipe . Will shoot info when I get it.
Aloha
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I have been generally following the diet for about 4 weeks now and have dropped about 8 pounds. Looks like about 2 pounds per week. That is really amazing to me because I have been trying to get this off for years and nothing has seemed to work. Weight had been creeping up by 1-1 1/2 lbs per year for the last several years. Not only that, but this is the time of year when I generally weigh the most after putting on "winter weight" of an additional 5-6 lbs, which usually takes me all summer to drop off. I am now down to 199.5, just below my first step goal of 200. Next step goal is 195. I am hoping to be there by the end of February, or mid-March, and, based on what has occurred so far and reports from others, I expect to achieve that. Longer term goal is 185. I have not seen that number since I graduated from college!! Another positive is that if I continue to drop weight, I should see my board speed pick up as well!! I figure if I keep this up for another couple of years, I will completely disappear and the board will be paddling itself!!!! :D Clothes are fitting better, sugar and salt cravings are dropping, and I am starting to to get ripped again. Energy level is better and night time acid reflux is gone. Acid reflux used to wake me up about every other night prior to the diet. Getting rid of that alone is enough to make me want to follow the diet. I am pretty strict during week, but have what I want on weekends. I find that a reasonable approach that I can sustain. Thank goodness that I found this thread, as it has really begun to change my life for the better. I have NEVER really dieted, because I know that they just don't work. I always thought that I could make it up with more exercise, eating lean meats, vegetables and whole grain foods, but that formula began to fail me and the weight was piling on in recent years. I knew that I must be missing something, but I just did not get what it was. I was beginning to feel that my weight was out of control.
I can now see that I am recapturing my more youthful appearance and that is encouraging and exciting!!
great testimonial ROD!
i hear you on the heartburn-not really doing Paleo now buy dropping weight is a key to stopping the acid reflux.
Keep up the good work!
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Amazing stuff! SEA, that cake looks GOOD!
If you could throw out some more details on that bad boy... as I have a birthday coming up and would like to stay on the Paleo ranch during said celebration.
SL
Here it is Tim straight from my wife she just sent this to me. Enjoy !!
Chocolate Cake from paleospirit.com
Ingredients (two 9-inch cake pans)
1 cup coconut flour
3/4 cup high quality cacao powder
3/4 teaspoon baking soda
3/4 teaspoon celtic sea salt
9 eggs
3/4 cup coconut oil (butter or ghee), melted (more for greasing pans)
1 cup plus 2 tablespoons maple syrup
3/4 cup brewed coffee (or water)
1 1/2 tablespoons vanilla extract
parchment paper for lining cake pans
Instructions
Preheat oven to 350 degrees F
Grease cake pans and line the bottoms with parchment paper.
Combine coconut flour, cacao, baking soda and salt in a small bowl and set aside.
In the bowl of a stand mixer, with whisk attachment, whisk the eggs.
Add the oil/butter/ghee, maple syrup, coffee and vanilla extract and continue to mix until combined.
Add the dry ingredients into the wet ingredients.
Mix on low speed until the dry ingredients are incorporated – about 30 seconds. Scrape down sides of mixing bowl (you may need to do this a couple of times) and beat cake batter on high speed for about one full minute so that the batter is fluffy.
Divide batter between the two prepared pans. It will be thick. (Spread it out evenly in the pan)
I used 1/2 cup raw Big Island Honey from Costco instead of the maple syrup. Add coconut oil, if using, as the last wet ingredient so it doesn’t harden from the cold eggs.
Chocolate Frosting
2 cans full fat coconut milk
Unsweetened cocoa powder
raw honey
Refrigerate the cans of coconut milk for a couple of days. Do NOT shake the can. When you're ready to make the frosting, take out the can, do NOT shake it. Without flipping the can over, use a church key to pop open the bottom of the can to drain out the liquid stuff. Save that to drink or mix in a shake. Cut open the top, and scoop out all the thick stuff into a bowl. Add a spoonful of cocoa powder and honey. Mix with hand mixer, or better yet something with a whisk attachment. Start slowly or the cocoa will end up all over the place. Taste it and add more cocoa or honey to taste. Use to frost your cake. Or put it in a bowl, call it a mousse, and eat it straight. Yum!
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Ask and you shall receive! Thanks sea!
SL
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Remember one of the keys to Primal Living...
Just because it is 7:00 a.m. doesn't mean you eat breakfast... the same goes with all meals.
Eat when you are hungry, not when you are "supposed" to eat.
Remember to do an intermittant fast once in awhile... I was big into them last year, but now I have an early dinner and skip breakfast as an easy way to do an 18 or so hour fast every couple of weeks.
I am going to step that up a bit to get back down to my primal weight of 185.
It is easy to get into a food rut (see "almonds and greek yogurt") with primal living... but have fun with it... make some primal balls... try to make SEA's chocolate cake (I am going to try that this weekend)...
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Primal Creek is 1 month old today... and disappearing quickly.
I have adapted well to my new environment, my hunter gatherer skills are improving.
The food come easily now. My senses keener and my body leaner.
Seriously folks... if I tell you what is really going on... you will be skeptical... hell... I am. I keep waiting for the punch line.
Jan 14, 2013 - 261 lbs .......sustained for several weeks. I had been creeping up steadily all fall.
Feb 14, 2013 - 236 lbs
I had similar weight loss results last year, as I cram dieted with the goal of a new, smaller board by the April container arrivals.
BUT... last year, it took from Jan 1st till April 3rd to achieve the same results.... I struggled with the "Diet" and I lost weight... but I didn't look much different. I looked at a picture I took in my new wetsuit and I can't believe how much "less thick" my chest looks.
(see picture)
The BIG news is the difference in the results.
I FEEL the difference. My body feels leaner... tighter
I bought a few OP shirts yesterday.... size XL ----- not XXXL like the last time I shopped
My rotator cuffs are improving
I could not touch my hands behind my back for years.... now I can easily link hands
I always struggled to put a sweatshirt on... my arms had to enter in a downward motion and slip the neck over my head....
Now... I casually throw them on over my head in one easy motion like I could 20 years ago.
Don't know.... but it's an awfully timely coincidence.... could it be my body is now able to repair damage more efficiently?
Don't get me wrong... I am still way too big.
I am more than a little worried what will happen to my skin.... I have good skin.. but it wrapped a bigger package.
I really don't want to end up a saggy old man... so far it's doing well, but I am shrinking awfully fast.
I am hoping all the paddling etc will help me make like Archie Bell and the Drells and "Do the tighten up!"
I am no longer on a "diet"...... I live a new lifestyle.
I don't struggle with temptations
I eat what I want, when I want, as much as I want.... and I love it.
I see food differently now.... the good stuff is my ally and friend... all other stuff, simply does not appeal to me anymore.
My new name might be primalSUP ;D
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Congrats Creek. That’s pretty amazing results. You’re proof that diets that restrict calories don’t work. I view good quality whole foods as energy and medicine for the body. All of that diet and imitation foods that’s out there will just mess up your body.
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WAY TO GO CREEK !!!! YOU DA MAN !!
I get so super stoked hearing testimonies and yours is AWESOM !! you are there just continue doing what you are doing.
The concern of you loosing too much weight and being flabby is a real one however if you are eating right ... Which you are the fat will melt. You just need to follow Mark Sisson's advise and lift heavy things a few times a week move at a medium pace for long periods and play (like paddle board) .
Once I started losing weight and my aches and pains went away I startes to do Push ups and pull ups as well as Planks and squats. All were just using my own body weight. THis will be key to you building muscle and not having the flab when you are finaly at your "fighting weight"
Here are some pics of a guy Dave who applied Paleo and exercise that Mark Sisson explains at his site. The results are amazing but very typical of people who do this right.
Here is his story :
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/#axzz2Kvh1qKiP (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unconquerable-dave/#axzz2Kvh1qKiP)
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Hallelujah!
Holy Moly... that guy is frick'n amazing... wow...now I am really psyched ;D
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Even his beard got smaller along with the rest of him.....
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Nice Rick! You are on your way. As a long time Vegan/whole foods guy, I agree that I eat what I want, as much as I want and enjoy my food more than anyone I know. It's really great to see your progress. Once we ween ourselves off junkfood/processed foods, it really is easy.
I am no longer on a "diet"...... I live a new lifestyle.
I don't struggle with temptations
I eat what I want, when I want, as much as I want.... and I love it.
I see food differently now.... the good stuff is my ally and friend... all other stuff, simply does not appeal to me anymore.
My new name might be primalSUP ;D
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And he is a land lubber Creek :) Paddling ROCKS for Paleo!!!
Hey Creek , here is some good FREE info from Mark on diet, recipes and exercise. Just sign up for his news letter (it's free) which is packed with good info to live a paleo life. ( It has helped me walk Paleo for almost 3 years now) . enjoy !!
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/subscribe-to-blog/#axzz2Kvh1qKiP (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/subscribe-to-blog/#axzz2Kvh1qKiP)
Here you go Creek: The basics good info. go easy in the beginning :)
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-workout-plan-basics/#axzz2KvrUBPSA (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-workout-plan-basics/#axzz2KvrUBPSA)
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Full disclosure: sadly, his dog ran away b/c it didn't recognize him after all that weight loss... :'(
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Thanks SEA
I just signed up!
I had found the basic training thread when I went to Dave's amazing testimonial.
I actually started some today.
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Awesome Creek- I've been following your documentation of the paleo thing and no doubt, your going to help other people get healthier with your stoke about it. Its a great way of eating and a great way of life. Nice job.
That dude with the keg looked liked he drank a keg a week! The link from SEA was pretty inspiring. What an impressive transformation of his physique.
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My wife started asking about going paleo a few days ago so I've been reading up on it a bit and my first true paleo meal is currently in the crock pot. We're doing pork tenderloin over a bed of mashed Cauliflower.
I've been interested in this lifestyle for a bit more of the potential health benefits than the weight loss aspect since we all stay in pretty good shape in our family. I guess I could lose a couple pounds but IF has always worked very well for that.
So here I go with the plan for a month trial run, reassess, and make adjustments as needed. The hardest part will be meals at work for sure. Wish me luck!
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I am so STOKED for you guys who are just starting and for those who have been at it for a while. I have been at it for almost 3 years and It is AMAZING how well this works and how SIMPLE it is to stick to.
Of course having enough recipes really helps, as well as a wife who is more paleo than I am :) She cooks some awesome stuff !!
Here is some links she uses to get recipes and ideas for paleo eats !!! Enjoy .... I know I am :)
http://nomnompaleo.com/recipeindex (http://nomnompaleo.com/recipeindex)
http://www.elanaspantry.com/ (http://www.elanaspantry.com/)
http://paleotable.com/ (http://paleotable.com/)
http://civilizedcavemancooking.com/grain-free-goodies/apple-banana-cookies/ (http://civilizedcavemancooking.com/grain-free-goodies/apple-banana-cookies/)
http://www.againstallgrain.com/ (http://www.againstallgrain.com/)
Great links Sea, still reading up on all this.
Interestingly, the author of the Paleotable lives in my neck of the woods, probably within a few miles based on the restaurants she mentioned.
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All I can say is that I love it when I'm eating rotisserie chicken from the market and washing it down with some Peet's. Definitely a diet worth sticking with.
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Funny, I never saw a lot of the benefits the Paleo style is supposed to deliver.
I eat strictly Paleo now just because I’m used to that way of eating really and because I do believe that the extra good fat I eat now, has certainly helped my cholesterol numbers from when I was eating low fat. But for me, the jury is kinda out on whether the whole grain/carb thing is really as bad as what they say. Why? I was a HUGE carb eater where my breakfast/lunch/dinner was all carbs comprised of cereals, sandwiches and pasta on a daily basis and snacking on candy. I mean you couldn’t get more carb than me. I’ve almost been Paleo for a year now and besides the cholesterol, nothing else changed for me. I didn’t lose any weight but then again, I was probably close to ideal anyway. I had slightly elevated blood pressure, that hasn’t changed (which is probably hereditary as my family has a history). So a complete reversal of the evil carb as well as sugar……and virtually nothing? I also don’t feel like I have more energy or less.
But before switching to Paleo and this is where I think the difference is, I still ate healthy, meaning I didn’t eat fast food, didn’t overeat etc.
So the only thing that really changed for me was what I went from consuming carb to protein and cutting out drastically snacking on candy. Yet by all reports, I should have experienced at least some weight loss (the whole carbs promote insulin spikes which promotes fat storage theory, no?) and this surge of energy and a host of other benefits etc.
What I suspect happens to people who do have this complete transformation is that they suddenly go from eating like crap to now eating healthy as well as cutting down on portion size and attribute it to the primal way, where the truth is even if they had done that while consuming carbs they would have experienced the same. Maybe they can stay on this type of eating longer, I don’t know, but as I mentioned, I never had an issue with food to begin with.
There also enough reports out there of folks that even after being on Paleo a long time, plateaued and starting to feel worse, and switched back to eating carbs again and felt a whole lot better.
I think to each their own and you have to sense what is best for your body. I’m not knocking Paleo at all as like I mentioned, I eat this way completely because Im hoping internally is where the difference is being made, but the whole “this is the next best thing since sliced bread” sounds just like many other claims in the past.
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Well said, ski. I especially like that you have freedom of speech, given that you have put Paleo into practice. I'm really happy for ones like Creek who are seeing benefits. Like you said, though, to each his own. There does seem to be an aggressiveness associated with some of the alternative foods, diets, etc. I commented on the 'Bread is evil' thread. In the comments, the author even dissed Ezekiel bread "It's probably a little better, but it's still bread". At the end, the author finally fessed up that if you have no weight problem, then the above info probably didn't apply. Instead of starting the article that way, I felt like fear was used. I guess it's what gets attention.
I would like to say that I do appreciate that so many zoners are willing to share and help each other out. It would be nice to have it presented without the aggressive fear tactics.
Be healthy, paddle harder, smile more
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I really don't try to push my ways on others. I feel if whatever your doing works for you then rock out. Even the 650lb woman that I saw on a show last night is free to make her own choices in my opinion. I don't think anyone on here is pushing anything, just sharing some great results with a plan they are on. I know people that eat a ton of carbs and are very healthy all around. I think that Laird said it best with "I'm not saying I'll never eat a big mac or a waffle, but I'm not going out of my way to do so." A perfect analogy in my opinion. ;D
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I think that Laird said it best with "I'm not saying I'll never eat a big mac or a waffle, but I'm not going out of my way to do so." A perfect analogy in my opinion. ;D
Well said.
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Ditto on that. He's got a pretty balanced view on diet and exercise.
Good comments, Fark. My beef is with the tone on a few articles recently posted as well as some other sources and people my wife has been tapping for advice on her health issues. The continual interchange here is very insightful.
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I'm certainly no expert on Primal... I just started last month.
I did however, spend years decades counting calories, eating all the low fat alternatives.
I would lose weight after 6 months and everything was great....
My problem came when I would eat a Thanksgiving dinner and my "carb addiction" would kick back in like a released drug addict.
I would suffer denial pangs and slowly creep back to "normal eating"
I never ate crap... I never ate an abnormal amount... but the scale would creep up...and up. Very frustrating.
I lost 60 lbs last year SUPing and I have kept a food diary for YEARS... I have records of all my food and caloric intake.
Since Thanksgiving I had regained 30 lbs.... while I maintained a minimum of 12 - 20 hours a week of SUP activity.
I was bummed..... ???
The difference I see in my primal exploration:
I like the food... I will stay primal... it is terrific food, I want for nothing, I long for nothing... so for me, there will be no more "fall back" periods.
That alone should keep me from back sliding.
This food is certainly something that I could over indulge and gain... but I am satisfied on less, so I am not concerned.
I will say this:
Primal Theory puts a lot of emphasis on food "source" not just dietary concerns.
Primal is not the first, to try to avoid the "chemical processing" of modern food.... but the first that interested me.
And that part, is pretty substantial to me. I was never a "Yogi Veggie"... but I hunt for clean food now ;D
I am also not a fan of "Food industry slamming"
The truth is.... if everyone went "Primal", we would run out of food immediately.
If all grain, rice and grain raised food was halted.... and food stopped being "processed".... the world would starve.
Mass food growing and preserving is keeping the billions and billions fed.
I'm just happy with my little niche
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I have not seen this Paleo "recipes" link here.... I checked out some of the recipes... they look good!
Good pictures.... easy to follow directions.
http://beta.primal-palate.com/category/recipes/ (http://beta.primal-palate.com/category/recipes/)
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I have not seen this Paleo "recipes" link here.... I checked out some of the recipes... they look good!
Good pictures.... easy to follow directions.
http://beta.primal-palate.com/category/recipes/ (http://beta.primal-palate.com/category/recipes/)
Great site, like its simplicity...thanks Creek.
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Creek,
What do you see is the main food or reason your weight came back on 30lbs?
I have been working the Paleo for a little over a month and it is been good to me so far. Motivation and friends have helped alot. Seeing that scale number in the morning scared the crap out of me in the begining (I had no idea I was that fat- denial) and now it motivates me with a new lower number everyday.
Stay Healthy and Keep Paddling!
Mike
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The weight gain was repetitious and yearly.... and all before "primal" came into my life. (5 weeks ago)
Everyone has foods that they are drawn to... the ones that truly make you happy and satisfied.
That's why they call my favorite foods... "Comfort Food"
Anytime that I was successful at weight lose... it was because I gave up the foods that I love.
Eventually I would lose focus and resolve.
I would return to the foods that I really like.
Bread, cheese, milk, potato, mayonnaise, pasta, ice cream, diet coke... you know... all the good tasting stuff ;D
Diets meant denial... I was determined... I could hold my focus for 6 to 9 months.... then I would cave.
The weight would come back on over time.... sometimes quickly.
At 13, I shopped in the "Husky" department....although I have spent my life as an athlete... weight was a constant issue.
The post above, was merely a statement in support of the "Primal Theory" and food choices. They satisfy me, I really like what I eat now, an although I have walked away from a majority of my previous food "loves"... I have found new ones that keep me just as happy.... therefore, no reason to ever go back to the yo-yo dieting of my past.
Time will tell... but I feel pretty darn good about primal.... and I have never said that about a "diet" before
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What's the best way to start a primal diet? Cold turkey on the non-paleo foods? Ease in?
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to understand the "science" of it.
then it all makes perfect sense and you begin to look at food through a different lens.
I guess you could call it "cold turkey".... but it was a effortless full conversion
I started by looking at food lists on Mark's Daily Apple and other sites....check the above posts
I picked some easy ones that I could easily cook and just grew a little every day.
nuts were my friend at first... they got me through the "snacking" stage.... lot less nuts now.
I just cooked grass fed beef burgers and veggies like asparagus or comfort food like butternut squash.
Bacon and Eggs with butternut squash homefries.
Salads with avocado, crab meat and other tasty things
I started real simple... real easy.... then became really aware of "food source".... gotta eliminate all the chemicals if you want it to have a really good effect on your body.... grass fed ground beef = good..... normal store ground beef= bad.
Jump in and enjoy the ride!
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you guys Rock !! so glad you are grocking Creek :)
Regular beef is fattened for the last 3 to 4 months on CORN which is a grain. Grains make you fat. But when you first start Paleo you have to go through a cleansing. Cold turkey is the only way. if you are trying to get down to your fighting weight you have to keep your carb intake to between 50 and 100. those carbs need to come from veggies, nuts and most likely dressings for salad. i lived on protein shakes in the morning and afternoon and lots of salad and grass fed beef :). it is definitely a increased learning curve . Like Creek said learn and apply the science and the foundational principles of this lifestyle and you won't fail.
Here is what I ate tonight PALEO LASAGNA !!! fricken GOOD. My wife made last night :)
and only about 15 carbs.
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why do iPhone pics come out upside down or sideways often ??
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SEA- I turned my laptop upside down and wow, that lasagne looks good. Any link for the recipe?
Tonight I made paleo chicken and pork Pad Thai with a spaghetti squash, I made the recipe up as I went along. I gotta admit I was quite impressed with my paleo cooking performance. Will take a pic and pass along to you all when I devour the leftovers at lunch tomorrow.
I was reading earlier in the thread, nuts are definitely your snacking friend during the paleo transition. Its surprising that just a handful can curb hunger.
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Just had a paleo creamy chicken casserole that didn't turn out that great, but the paleo coconut brownies were epic! I barely got any as my kids went feeding frenzy on them.
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I just stumbled on this and watched it through:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KLjgBLwH3Wc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DKLjgBLwH3Wc (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KLjgBLwH3Wc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DKLjgBLwH3Wc)
Food for thought, eh?
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Exactly!!!!!
Good for her... she saved herself and underlined some huge points worth noting... the body can heal itself, if we give it the proper fuel.... and eliminate the things that clog our magnificent machine and cause it to breakdown.
All my life I believed the body had a very powerful ability to self heal.
In the 70's, I learned Transcendental Meditation
Over the years, I got busy and stopped Meditating .
I developed pretty severe irregular heartbeat while surfing big waves on the North Shore in 1978.
I went to Queens Hospital in Honolulu and had my diagnosis confirmed... they gave me drugs to control it
They did nothing
The next summer, I got pissed .... I wanted my heart to beat regularly...
I sat in my beach shack at Coast Guard Beach and meditated for the first time in 8 years
In the short 15 minute meditation.... I regulated my heartbeat to absolutely normal.
It was documented with a Heart Surgeon I met during some tests in Boston several years... he a British Doctor who was in the US conducting a study...."Controlling irregular heartbeat through meditation"
Anytime my heart would act up, I would simply begin meditative breathing and it would regulate...
It was simply caused by stress and anxiety. The mind working against you... meditation gets the mind working for you
My heart has been normal ever since ;D
ENTER PRIMAL..... this is exactly why it "clicked" with me.... it made sense...
Give your body the proper fuel to work with and it is capable of far more than we give it credit.
I am keeping good records of changes, so I can learn from my journey.
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I eat more arugula than a gorilla. Love the stuff. After you get into arugula, you'll never want to bother with common lettuce again. Also radishes. Plus Eggs, chicken and fish.
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I wish my phone took better pictures... thought I'd share.
Paleo chicken and pork pad Thai:
Bake spaghetti squash at 350 F for an hour. About 3o minutes into cooking, saute some chunks of chicken and lean pork with a little coconut oil and set aside. The following ingredients are all to taste:
In the saute pan add: Freshly chopped ginger, garlic,scallions and cilantro
Also:sesame oil
gluten free soy sauce
1 lb. of uncooked bean sprout( I'm not adding the s to sprouts like a thai menu) :D
powdered chipotle pepper to preferred level of spice
Take out the spaghetti squash and allow it to cool.
Cover the saute pan and allow the sprout to cook down and simmer for the flavors to come together
Scrape your squash into the "spaghetti", throw it in the pan with the meat.
Garnish with freshley chopped scallion,cilantro,crushed tamari almonds and a wedge of lime.
Believe me, this dish rocks.
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My mother in law made the chocolate cake that SEA posted above for my birthday.
It rocked.... then I froze it and at it like a frozen treat for a week or so.
Super tasty. Primal DOES require commitment... when I need a quick meal, I can't just stop at the burger place and tell them to hold the bun. Luckily, I drive through one of the best cities in the world for fine food on the way home... and pickup a nice cooked protein on the way home... A few of the restaurants know me as "the primal guy."
I am really struggling right now to find quick foods that don't require sacrificing a Sunday evening cooking to prepare for the entire week... I am WAY overusing greek yogurt right now, but it is just such a convenient food and fills me up. Thank goodness for primal shakes....
SL
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My biggest hurdle to a Primal diet...
A month ago a brew pub (www.freewheelbrewing.com/ (http://www.freewheelbrewing.com/)) opened up just a 5 minute walk from my house. They don't just brew any kind of beer, they brew English-style, real hand-pulled cask ales. It's my favorite kind of beer in the world, and they're doing a great job of it. At least the alcohol is 3.5-4% and not the crazy high ABV of some of the west coast microbrews (quadruple IPA's, etc.).
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Holy cow 8... That looks amazing. I am gonna try to cook that.
SL
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SL--I agree, healthy eating at dinner's easy, it's the middle of the day that's tough. I do best when I have leftovers from dinner for lunch the next day. Doesn't help when away from home or work, though.
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SL- Let me know how you make out with the pad thai. This batch was good for 3 or 4 meals with 1 large chicken breast and 2 boneless pork chops.
I'm constantly shopping for fresh ingredients and cooking a lot as well. I'm also looking for any hints on here as far as "quick food". Almonds, bananas, and organic granny smith apples are my go tos for snacks. Some of our local supermarkets have salad bars that I utilize occasionally. Most difficulties lie in being in an unfamiliar area with a limited time for lunch.
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Same problem here. I can skip lunch sometimes cause I still have fat available to burn but being able to prep in advance is key.
This week has been tough. I've been dogging a nasty cold for 4 days. No leftover food from dinner. It was my worst week in 2 months but really not bad. Glad to be feeling better and back on track.
A new SimSup would probably make up for everything.
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On my surf road trips I need something substantial when I get out of the water... and I'm 2.5 hours from home, so I take along a hearty snack:
Nut mix - walnut, pecan and pistachio bits
Blueberries
Mixed with Almond Butter
Crunchy, sweet, richly decadent... and it keeps well !
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That's the key isn't it. Something that keeps well. That out of the surf snack looks great.
There is one vein of thought called food combining that goes something like this. Veges and protein go together but not fruit with protein or veges. Veges and carbs go together but not carbs together with proteins or fruits.
Now of course many disobey this thought with combos like pizza (tomato sauce and dough), steak and potatoes, and fruit and nut combos like SUPcreek had above... with no ill effects. So if it works, no worries but if it doesn't ride well and you feel a little indigestion, you might consider food combining to make it all sit better. If you're planning to eat carbs and fruits (sugars), the fruit digests faster than the carbs so eat the fruit first, wait a half hour or so and then the carbs.
With this paleo vein then carbs are out of the picture except maybe fruits so for the most part the paleo is a slam dunk on the combining. And a note on SUPcreeks latest snack... blueberries probably combine the best of all fruits but apples and nuts could definitely be harsh.
I've been aware of food combining since my brother turned me on to it in the late 60's and have found that it works for me. When I've crossed the line on it, indigestion, especially with carbs and fruits, has been significant. I must say tho, that my digestion has been weak since I was born.
Here in Hawaii, I'm always astounded by the ability of many people to eat massive amounts of just about anything in any combination and wash it down with untold amounts of beer... and they're smiling... until they're not. I don't think I've ever been anywhere with displays of such severe ups and downs.
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"... and they are smiling... until they are not..." Classic HM... just classic.
Creek glosses it over blandly, but let's "digest" this... "when I drive 2.5 hours home from surfing..." Holy cow that is commitment!
My friends think I am nuts when I drive 90 minutes to surf good waves... as I am very close to the ocean... but Creek... you drive 2.5 hours! That is "stoked."
I have a cooler that I keep in the car for me and my friends on the way home... to keep me from hitting fast food. In it, I usually have coconut water, regular water, greek yogurt, and little individual almond packs.
I am going to Whole Foods today to see if I can get some lunch and snack time ideas. The one by my office is massive... I just never have time to go.
SL
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Creek glosses it over blandly, but let's "digest" this... "when I drive 2.5 hours home from surfing..." Holy cow that is commitment!
Sometimes Creek beats me out at my local spot. I live 300 yards from it. He lives 130 miles from it. Anything to stay away from Mary Lee & friends, right Rick? ;)
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kaya.... see you in the morning ;D ;D ;D ;D
gonna rock and roll tomorrow!
of course I have to sand the fiberglass off my repair in the AM... it's still tacky as I write this. Its parked over the baseboard heat.... so I won't beat you tomorrow.... I'm betting the swell will hold and the wind will drop below 20 mph by late morning.
SL... I live 2 miles from the beach... but I will drive endlessly for point breaks ;D
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Creek,
Classic. Sounds like you might be a brother from another mother.
SL
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I'm jealous. I'm 2 hours from the break I surf most. Packing food is big. I used to being PBJ's
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that looks a lot like what I have after SUPing all the time! Is that "primal"? I just thought it was yumalicious.
On my surf road trips I need something substantial when I get out of the water... and I'm 2.5 hours from home, so I take along a hearty snack:
Nut mix - walnut, pecan and pistachio bits
Blueberries
Mixed with Almond Butter
Crunchy, sweet, richly decadent... and it keeps well !
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So my wife and son and I started our primal lifestyle change today, received The Primal Blueprint last night and read through it together, breakfast consisted of coffee with a little heavy cream and greek yogurt with raspberries. Lunch is a couple of hard boiled eggs, some macadamia nuts and a smoked salmon filet (wild pacific, couldn't find wild alaskan at Sprouts) with a glass of water.
I think I'm on the right track here but any criticism/confirmation from any of you pros would be great :)
also, our biggest hurdle right now is our son, how do we get him away from grains, particularly bread for his lunches, not sure what I can give him instead and some quick and easy ideas would be great!
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Good for you brother !!
How old is your son?? The reason I'm asking is if he is younger like my little girl (she is 12) it is a bit easier. However even our daughter is not on board 100 percent and we are going on 3 years. She eats what we cook at home and she eats most of the time what my wife makes for lunch , although she eats the school lunch occasionally and also she goes overboard when she stays at grampas house. But she is young and can't be expected to be all paleo ( she's a kid :) ). All you can do is lead by example and they will see the positive changes in you and your wife. Look back in this thread for sites that have many paleo recipes. It takes a little while to figure it all out and then it starts to click and it all becomes second nature.
My older daughter is 23 and she has been full on paleo for 2.5 years. She lives on her own and is a school teacher, but she went paleo not long after us, she just had to see the positive changes in our health and taste my wifes good food and she was on board. Be patient and let it all happen naturally "no pressure" and lead well my friend.
Aloha
Scotty
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I started last Saturday and i already feel better. I'm not feeling deprived and eating all that meat and fat keeps me satiated - very unlike my carb days. I've been religiously tracking calories over a year now but it was a fight to keep off the weight. Looking back i see why - even though i ate "good" food (meat & veggies plus whole grains, oatmeal, and rice - not a lot of junk food) i was still not eating enough protein and my average daily carb count was 300-400g! Now I'm in the 75-100g range (gotta have fruit at breakfast). I already have more energy, fewer cravings, and less dependence on coffee.
Bob - that's not a lot of food! I'm definitely eating more than that but the right stuff; we'll see how the weight loss goes now.
SEA - good post. I'm worried about my 2 year old son. All he eats its either mac n' cheese or matzoh ball soup; he's definitely a carbovore. He used to eat what we ate but now he's got his own mind. I resigned myself to lead by example and keep getting him to try different foods but no forcing (not that i could anyway - he's a very willful child just like me).
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C B
Good for you brother !!
How old is your son??
He's 9 and seems pretty receptive to the idea of going primal but this is a kid that orders raw broccoli instead of fries when we go out to eat. Hopefully it stays that way but the wonderful teen years are just ahead.
(not sure if the sarcasm translated in that last sentence.)
dinner was Fennel/Garlic/Sweet Onion sauteed in a little coconut oil then tossed in some grape tomatoes and some chopped up chicken breast, and a side of broccoli and red peppers, was so good!
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SEA - good post. I'm worried about my 2 year old son. All he eats its either mac n' cheese or matzoh ball soup; he's definitely a carbovore. He used to eat what we ate but now he's got his own mind. I resigned myself to lead by example and keep getting him to try different foods but no forcing (not that i could anyway - he's a very willful child just like me).
AJR
Let me say this with all respect and humility after raising one adlut daughter and having a 12 year old. Your kid is 2 years old my brother. I'm sure he does not make that crap he likes to eat ?? So stop making it, don't give him the option . Just give him what you are eating and maybe some extra fruit and sweet potatoes . My point is he is a hard head and stubborn cause he knows he will get his way in the end. I'm the softy in the family when it comes to my daughters ..... however my wife is da bull. she would tell my kids this is what is for dinner if you don't like it you don't have to eat it. If they started crying she would say it's ok to cry but if you choose to cry you have to do it in your room . That lasted two nights by third night she was eating what we ate. My wife would say she eat when she gets hungry enough. He is only two he has NO CHOICE in the food he eats YOU have 100 % choice in what he eats. Lead by example be the Head of your house and make the choices for him to eat and he simply will have to follow. It can be done in total love but with firmness and conviction. He will figure it out quickly.
Good luck brother
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The biggest regret in my life... I did not direct my daughters firmly enough when it came to eating. :'(
They were always such good kids that I gave them too much leeway in food choices. They are both the best people I have ever met. One is a very healthy eater... very fit... very good choices. My eldest daughter (22) makes all bad... terrible food choices. Hates the mention of healthy food.... a beautiful and perfect human being... that has a big challenge ahead... I'm am trying to teach the Primal benefits and options....but not possible at her college cafeteria.
I may hijack her on an epic trek after graduation and keep her till primal becomes her way as well.
Crunchy B... check out the site I linked to on a previous page... the "Primal Palate" great recipes... and you can choose by looking at pictures of tasty goodies. Join the site and create weekly menus.... every item has full shopping lists and directions.
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SEA - good post. I'm worried about my 2 year old son. All he eats its either mac n' cheese or matzoh ball soup; he's definitely a carbovore. He used to eat what we ate but now he's got his own mind. I resigned myself to lead by example and keep getting him to try different foods but no forcing (not that i could anyway - he's a very willful child just like me).
AJR
Let me say this with all respect and humility after raising one adlut daughter and having a 12 year old. Your kid is 2 years old my brother. I'm sure he does not make that crap he likes to eat ?? So stop making it, don't give him the option . Just give him what you are eating and maybe some extra fruit and sweet potatoes . My point is he is a hard head and stubborn cause he knows he will get his way in the end. I'm the softy in the family when it comes to my daughters ..... however my wife is da bull. she would tell my kids this is what is for dinner if you don't like it you don't have to eat it. If they started crying she would say it's ok to cry but if you choose to cry you have to do it in your room . That lasted two nights by third night she was eating what we ate. My wife would say she eat when she gets hungry enough. He is only two he has NO CHOICE in the food he eats YOU have 100 % choice in what he eats. Lead by example be the Head of your house and make the choices for him to eat and he simply will have to follow. It can be done in total love but with firmness and conviction. He will figure it out quickly.
Good luck brother
SEA,
Brutal! When I exercised the option to not eat my dinner, guess what my breakfast was the next morning? I can still remember trying to go to sleep imagining how bad the liver and onions were going to taste cold for breakfast. Not enough ketchup in the world to make that palatable.
Good luck AJR.
Creek,
It's tough with college aged kids. My kid lives off campus and I drop by his place every couple of weeks and look at the trash and the refrigerator... he is pretty good, but it is tough to see what he puts in his body sometimes. Luckily, I control the credit card... and he responds to the appropriate stimuli.
SL
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One of the cool evolutions of how a primal lifestyle changes your perception of eating:
Example….Yesterday turned out to be a road trip day…
I had a hearty breakfast while I was cam watching… waiting for Cape Cod waves & tide & wind to get it’s sh*t together…. often frustrating…
3 organic, free range, fertilized eggs fried slowly in coconut oil
topped with a little fresh grated Asagio cheese
and a large organic chicken sausage....Good surf fuel…
ended up going to R.I. … took 3 apples and bottled water… ate one just before going out.
Surfed from noon… till 3:30 (good call... great waves... 1 guy out)
Way home, I ate the other 2 apples…. Then just had 5 strawberries at dinnertime and a few nuts later as a snack.
All my life I would have had fast food on the way home….. then a big dinner.
Primal has changed that…. Now there are many “mealtimes” that I just don’t feel an urge to eat…. And I don’t ;D
May not sound like much to some healthy eaters... but to me.... this is nothing short of amazing!!!!!
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Creek, does it matter that the eggs are fertilized? I’ve never heard of eggs labeled as fertilized. We’re not talking about chicken embryos, right? That would be a little to Primal for me.
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Creek, does it matter that the eggs are fertilized? I’ve never heard of eggs labeled as fertilized. We’re not talking about chicken embryos, right? That would be a little to Primal for me.
Chilly, this is the best post of this entire thread!!!
I can picture these little chicken embryos being like sardines, where you just chomp through the soft bones and beak and all. Yeah, way too primal.
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That's just a recipe for hunger and farting.
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;D ;D
Chilly and SST
I just report what I see... it says "Fertile" on the carton
"For the eggs to be fertilized, the hen and rooster must mate first, and this process must occur prior to the formation of the egg"
My eggs are apparently the result of a little "Woopee" session in the hen house... hell yeah they taste better ;D
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That's just a recipe for hunger and farting.
Well it works for Arian Foster and it also worked for Herschel Walker. Trying to stop those guys wasn't ever easy. Vegan can work. And farting has to do with bad food combining.
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Thanks for the info Creek. It’s good to know that you haven’t gotten that primal. ;D I guess happy hens make good tasting eggs.
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The Vita Mix blender showed up in the mail yesterday. I decided to test it last night. Threw in rasp / blu and black berries , all frozen. Some frozen spinach... the poured in some almond milk and coconut milk, cracked two raw eggs, and let it set for ten minutes to freeze together. HOLY COW batman. That blender is the shizzle!
Just a who new level.
Super stoked.
SL
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Strand,
What model of the vita mix did you get?
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Vitamix 1363 CIA Professional Series, Platinum
Freaking PLATINUM BaBy!
SL
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Vitamix 1363 CIA Professional Series, Platinum
Freaking PLATINUM BaBy!
SL
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I love the vitamix. I have an online recipe book from a triathlete in LA that eats raw with some great vitamix recipes. I loved it so much that I got the vitamix for my in laws. I showed them how to make great soup and "ice cream" with it and they were hooked. I love the fishomatic
Mike
Vitamix 1363 CIA Professional Series, Platinum
Freaking PLATINUM BaBy!
SL
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Vitamix is a great buy. It's like drinking a salad. Although my green drinks are more fruit based.
Spinach or kale
Apple
Banana
Almond or coconut milk
Raw brown egg
Yogurt
Aside from the spinach base, the added ingredients are optional and that's the best part! Just don't use too many blueberries, as it congeals the mixture after jarring them. If anyone has a good vegetable recipe, please chime in. Mine always turn out too acidic and taste bad.
A full blender's mix will yield about 4-5 mason jars, which happen to conveniently fit into any cooler. :)
Power one down and go surf!
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I'm in my 20's again ;D..............228 lbs to be exact
Just an update...
and a little insight for the curious.... "Primal" does not mean "suffering"
I am living proof, that if you are dedicated to "Primal theory", you see real results without eating like a bird.
Some days I eat very light... just because I have no urge to eat (very unlike "carbo" me)
Most days I have 2 to 3 substantial meals, snacks and an occasional drink.
I suspect people who are 70/30 or 80/20 Primal will be wondering why they don't see similar results.
I think the reality is... if you are not Primal... you are not Primal.... and the positive effects are diminished.
I am very dedicated "Primal" with these few exceptions
----- a little mayo to give a terrific flavor to my huge daily lunch salad
(a very little, combines with the avocado and fruit to make a great dressing)
-----ketchup to make cocktail sauce when I have shrimp
-----alcohol - I enjoy 1 drink after work 4 or 5 days a week..... 1 Absolute Ruby Red on the rocks
I am posting a picture of what I ate yesterday... and I dropped another pound today.... now at 228 lbs
I ate 3 normal meals plus snacks & a drink to test myself... I have been at 229 for several days, and I wanted to know if I would just shoot right back above 230.... I was very pleased to see today's scale (pic)
At the bottom of the scale, you will see a marker at 305 lbs... that is where my "carb life" took me to several years ago. :'(
The marker near 262 lbs, was my weight on my "Primal Dawn" January 14, 2013
The marker at 200 is just to give me a visual reference... my optimal weight is probably 170... who knows?
Grok on my friends... Grok on ;D
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Creek,
This is insane. Not only have you resurrected this thread and re inspired a lot of folks (me included), quite frankly, you now own it.
When Zoners think Primal, they will think SEA and Primal Creek Fka SUPtheCreek.
Thanks for all the amazing posts.
I tried to get into the 170s, but just couldn't stay there. 180 is my Primal Floor and I Flirt with it a lot. At 6'1", that means size 31 or 32 pants and trunks... Before I went primal, that was a distant college memory. I am pretty comfortable at 180-185.
Primal plus SUP equals fountain of youth or something.
My wife makes fun of me and calls me an SUP Evangelist (better than a televangelist I suppose, but not quite as wealthy)... Threads like this are why... It can change your life... Just let it.
The funny thing is, this thread was inspired by Pono... What DOESN'T that dude know? On an old diet thread, I think I called it Holiday Fatness or something, he chimed in on my (typical heavy grain, high fruit, low fat) diet plan and said something to the effect of, (in his very subtle way) "Gee, that's my diet to lose muscle and gain fat." And then he or SEA suggested that I check out Sisson... And the rest is history... And here we are!
SL
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I was shocked to see creek yesterday. He's half the man he used to be... ;D
Kidding aside it's an impressive transformation, not only looking much more fit but younger too.. :o
Are you a Heinlien fan creek? You definitely grok primal... ;D
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Ok, but Creek if you get down to that yellow marker (80lbs), we are staging an intervention at the nearest Dunkin Donuts! ;)
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Creek, this is awesome! Keep it up big guy err i mean medium guy :)
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Great job Creek!
This thread motivated me - i started primal a week ago and haven't suffered a bit. Over the holidays I had drifted up to 225 from 215 and had fears if getting back to my former 345 from years past. I've been tracking calories religiously for over a year so i went back and looked - i was averaging 350-400g of carbs a day but still within the suggested calorie limit (based on SAD guidelines - not primal)!
Last week i ate primal, ended up 3200 calories over the calorie counter's weekly recommended budget (SAD guidelines), kept in the 50-100 g/day carbs, and lost 5 lbs! That's also with only walking for exercise; this week I'm back to the gym (and hopefully surfing) after a month off for paternity leave...
I've also got a lot more energy and no longer need copious amounts of coffee in the afternoon to keep me going.
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Zone magic for sure.... you put something out there, and Zoners run with it.
Tim...however it morphed to this thread.... I am one grateful SUP'r that you posed those 5 words! Your thread has informed and inspired lots of folks to look into Primal. I had never heard of it before the Zone… and I would just have written it off as more drivel from the “diet guru’s” if it had not remained so persistent here on the Zone…
Thanks Tim
And a big thanks to all who kept it alive long enough for it to grab me… I am forever grateful and will endeavor to keep it alive till the next generation of Primates have evolved.
I am not an earthy crunchy person… I don’t like to suffer when I eat. I am not into minimalism and my willpower eventually crashes on “denial diets”. This is so much more enjoyable… and tasty. I don’t count or think about fat or calories or…nothin’! I just eat good wholesome food. ;D
Stoney… thanks buddy….I greatly appreciate it!
“Heinlien”…. I’ll get back to you on that… I gotta go look it up ;)
No where near medium yet… long way to go….
I think the 80lbs was my daughter years ago... my right leg would fail that mark.
AJR… right on buddy, keep everyone posted on what you are doing… lots of people interested.
see ya... I gotta go make dinner ;D
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Creek you better start planning with SL for your first 8' SUP :) I think you'll be in the 185 range in no time, then the fun starts ...cause energy and ability will skyrocket. So inspired and amazed when I see another primal experience turn out this way. GOOD FOR YOU CREEK !!! keep it up brother.
Aloha
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Okay, so I am all excited to make a monster batch of shakes with my new Vitamix... decide to keep it super primal and use dates for sweetener.
Well, I did not look at the label and the dates were not pitted. All of the sudden, I start hearing the loudest racket ever! (the date pits being hacked)...
So I look it up on the net to make sure that they aren't poisonous (like plumb seeds) ... and find out that they are believed to be very efficient anti oxidants... but that they are so hard that they might kill your blade... but I have like 20 dollars worth of food in the blender... so I just go with it.
Guess what? Date pits are very, very bitter. Next batch, no date pits.
SL
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I read this online from the Globe today:
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/2013/03/11/fad-diets-wish-would-away-forever/a38J9G9YRnkKMzXYazppeI/story.html?pg=2 (http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/2013/03/11/fad-diets-wish-would-away-forever/a38J9G9YRnkKMzXYazppeI/story.html?pg=2)
Her reasons for being against the primal diet seem shortsighted to me. Its obvious that she does not read the Zone, nor has she met Mr. Creek. Here is her background and contact information should anyone want to challenge her opinions: This could be fun!
About the Author
Joan Salge Blake, MS, RD, LDN, is a clinical associate professor and registered dietitian at Boston University in the Nutrition Program. Joan is the author of Nutrition &You, 2nd Edition, Pearson/Benjamin Cummings (2012) and Nutrition & You: Core Concepts to Good Health, Pearson/Benjamin Cummings (2010). She is also an American Dietetic Association national media spokesperson. Her interactive nutrition tools, and healthy and delicious recipes can be found on her website at http://people.bu.edu/salge. (http://people.bu.edu/salge.) Follow her on Twitter at joansalgeblake. E-mail her at salgeblake@comcast.net.
Its obvious that she would be against the primal diet as to not ruin over half of her "healthy" entrees from her website that contain pasta or cream.
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Whatever her skills as a dietician, she seems pretty good at knocking down straw men... Because as we all know, a poor diet is what led to the cave man's short life expectancy... Oh, wait...
SL
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Maybe the cave men would have lived only 15 years on the Mediterranean Diet. That sentence alone was enough to call her whole stance into question.
The ironic thing is, the main gist of the primal diet isn't faddish at all. It's closer in many ways to the way people ate a generation or two ago than the way the typical American eats today. If your grandma, or in fact most doctors or nutritionists of a generation or two ago, were asked their opinions of today's high-carb, lowfat, egg-limiting, etc. diet, they'd say it would make you fat and not give you enough substance to keep you going. In other words, exactly what is true.
And lumping a diet that stresses things such as meat and fresh vegetables while limiting things such as starch and sweets with the grapefruit diet is just silly.
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OK....I'm all in...seeing creek convinced me. ...and his pictures look good..:)
Lean, mean, machine on the way. My new stick is at the glasser. I think I better get myself ready. I'm going to set an end of summer goal of 230 lbs...you heard it here...feel free to give me grief if I stray and miss the goal.
You'll like this SL. I just threw away my Vitamix....bought it 30+ years ago at a home show. It still ran strong but the shaft had worn out at the connection. They no longer make it that way so we couldn't replace the piece. My daughter bought a Ninja few months back.....does a pretty good job but it's no vitamix. I think you could make steel belted tire smoothies with your vitamix if you like... ;D
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I've had no grains and no sugar (except once) for the last two weeks. I don't crave sweets any more, don't get hungry constantly, and everything others have said. Don't feel deprived at all. Haven't had a lot of fruit, but when I do, it tastes like dessert (in fact that's when I have it). Have not restricted how much I eat at all, and have lost weight even though that wasn't a particular goal of mine.
I did go from being a nonsmoker to two packs a day, but---sorry, just kidding about that part.
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Joan Salge Blake, MS, RD, LDN, is a clinical associate professor and registered dietitian at Boston University in the Nutrition Program.
She is 100% invested in conventional nutrition guidelines... she has no choice but to follow established "food pyramid"
She and others like her can't cozy up to "Primal"... it goes against company policy.... and she has made a living dispensing advice based on mainstream nutrition beliefs.... the stuff I used to listen to ::)
Her loss.
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Is protein powder accepted in the primal diet? If so, does it need to be a certain type (whey, soy, etc.)?
Also, I know no legumes but why? I'm a huge fan of black beans and I'm having trouble with the idea of giving them up.
Thinking about going full primal soon but just wanted some clarification on the above - thanks all.
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Kaya,
Whey protein isolate straight. Then u add the goodies. To save time, I am making one big shake and putting the contents into two containers... Bring one to work, keep the other at home. Stay away from the date pits. :)
As to the beans, I don't remember,but if no one provides an answer, I will look it up.
SL
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Thanks SL. I'll hit up Google too, I was just curious as to why no beans.
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I think MDA said that even though some beans have protein, they are also considered a carb. Not that you shouldn't ever eat them, but you need to get the Primal thing dialed in for you and then small amounts may work.
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I feel your pain Kaya- I love them myself. I use to slow cook them with my secret recipe and make a huge batch for days of eating. I'd eat the Goya black beans cold, right out of the can, last summer between sessions. It was very hard to give them up, but I prefer to have the benefits of Paleo to black beans. On the other hand, I now eat grass fed beef, lamb, lean pork, and eggs, which were off limits to me before Paleo.
I'll try to look up your question tonight in the " Paleo Solution"
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Is protein powder accepted in the primal diet? If so, does it need to be a certain type (whey, soy, etc.)?
Also, I know no legumes but why? I'm a huge fan of black beans and I'm having trouble with the idea of giving them up.
Thinking about going full primal soon but just wanted some clarification on the above - thanks all.
Nope - legumes are not primal including peanuts and peanut butter as well as soy and tofu. They are high in carbs and contain high levels of lectins which basically messes with the digestive system. (i got this all from the Primal book by Sisson btw).
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Seems likes Marks issue with beans is they mess up digestion. However, if they don't mess up mine, would they be OK? Same with peanuts.
How do legumes (beans/peanuts) fit with Paleo?
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Seems likes Marks issue with beans is they mess up digestion. However, if they don't mess up mine, would they be OK? Same with peanuts.
How do legumes (beans/peanuts) fit with Paleo?
I think it's the carbs too- 1 cup of black beans have about 45g. That's a lot if you're trying to stay in the 50-100g range recommended by Mark for weight loss...
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That seems equivalent to rice and potatoes. They are supposedly OK within the carb parameters (as in there are better choices but they aren't considered sugar or flour).
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Joan Salge Blake, MS, RD, LDN, is a clinical associate professor and registered dietitian at Boston University in the Nutrition Program.
She is 100% invested in conventional nutrition guidelines... she has no choice but to follow established "food pyramid"
She and others like her can't cozy up to "Primal"... it goes against company policy.... and she has made a living dispensing advice based on mainstream nutrition beliefs.... the stuff I used to listen to ::)
Her loss.
Creek--that sounds like conspiracy theory stuff, but I'm sure it's true. So many "facts" about nutrition are not true. Even using the results of studies that "prove" mainstream ideas, you can come to completely different conclusions. These wrong "facts"--the idea that eating fat and cholesterol causes fat and cholesterol, the need for massive amounts of grains and carbs, that losing weight is mainly a matter of willpower, and many more--have become so ingrained among nutritionists that they are no longer questioned. Yet wide acceptance of these ideas is very new--within only the last generation or two. Over time, they will become viewed as the "fads".
It's ironic that in the day or two after reading her view that the primal diet is a "fad" diet, my food intake under this "fad" has consisted of chicken, beef, fish, lots of fresh vegetables, some fresh fruit, and water, along with a bit of nuts, cream, etc. Hardly faddish. In fact it would be quite mainstream if I cut back on the veggies and added some bread, soft drinks, candy, and sugared yogurt, but I don't need a nutritionist to tell me that wouldn't be an improvement.
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Beans are a GRAIN and if you know the science behind what grains does to your body (not good) then ALL grains must go !! This is what creek said earlier and is so true if your not ALL IN then it aint Paleo.
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Vitamix 1363 CIA Professional Series, Platinum
Freaking PLATINUM BaBy!
SL
Hey Strand
I know you like the BEST and the MEANEST stuff so I hate to blow your bubble but if you want the BEST this fricken it. BLENDTECH !!!!
Will It Blend? - Skis & Global Warming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drHHSuDN38#ws)
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There's too much info for a layman's synopsis but pages 88-92 from Robb Wolf give a good explanation of lectins/grains/beans. A lot of my interest in Paleo is from the cholesterol lowering/non inflammatory aspects of it. Lectins seem to play a part in the inflammatory aspect of things.
A pleasant side effect for me has been my ability to maintain my summer weight +/- 5 lbs. throughout the long New England winter with only half the excercise that I usually get during the summer months.
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pdx... nah... I haven't got a "conspiracy" mind... I'm just a realist... she has built her career as a nutritional dietitian, so it just follows current nutritional recommendations, to point out what she sees as shortcomings in the Primal theory. I was just saying, basically, that it wasn't worth arguing the diet with her.... she has different beliefs.
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Our goverment and its nutritional guidelines is basically like a corporation. A corporation reaches its potential through innovation and once its reached, you have a culture of"yes" people that toe the line instead of challenging the status quo, and therefore, preserving their livelyhood. Its not conspiracy, its just the way things are.
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pdx... nah... I haven't got a "conspiracy" mind... I'm just a realist... she has built her career as a nutritional dietitian, so it just follows current nutritional recommendations, to point out what she sees as shortcomings in the Primal theory. I was just saying, basically, that it wasn't worth arguing the diet with her.... she has different beliefs.
That's exactly what I meant to say (maybe said it badly)--you're as far from a conspiracy theorist as could be, but when you or anyone else describes mainstream nutritional beliefs, if it's an accurate description, it's a description of a system that is so unwelcoming of differing views that it sounds like a conspiracy.
I agree with you (like piece of 8 said also) it's no conspiracy, just how it is. But how it is has got way off base. Many of the main tenets of mainstream nutrition are so far off that you end up with articles like the one we've been discussing from a mainstream nutritionist, where the primal diet gets lumped together with eating grapefruit at every meal, and her proof that it's bad is that cavemen had a short lifespan.
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The United States population represents 5% of the world’s population and yet Americans consume 50 to 60% of all the world’s manufactured drugs. Out of 37 industrialized nations monitored by the World Health Organization, the United States is 37th. We have more medical resources, trained physicians, nurses and other professionals, more technology and more hospitals, so why are we such a sick country suffering from many degenerative diseases?
I believe it’s the diet that we’ve adopted over the last 60 to 70 years. The American diet has changed drastically since World War II. We have become a fat and lazy country. Food is only consumed if it’s convenient, priced right and tastes good. There is no consideration for what the food provides in the way of nutrients for a healthy body. Our diet has changed more in the last 100 years than it has done in the previous three million years.
In the early 1900s there was no heart disease and cancer occurred in 1 of 30 people. Today, heart disease is the number one killer of American citizens and cancer is 1 out of 3 women and 1 out of 2 men. If we don’t change our diets to the diet of our ancestors, experts believe that we will all die of cancer in the next 40 to 50 years.
No conspiracy just laziness and PROFIT , PROFIT, PROFIT. How else can you explain being the least healthy of the industrialized nations. It is AMAZING to me , the chemicals and additives we allow in our food here. Many of the ingredients in our food here are banned from use in most other countries.
Go to France and most if not all cheese and milk served in restaurants are RAW , unpasteurized . Why is it in most states here a felony to sell raw milk ?? That is just one tiny example of the craziness our country allows. Most european countries ban Bovine growth hormones ..... we on the other hand embrace it. The list goes on and on. 60% of the worlds medicine is consumed by us 5% that says a lot. Pharmaceutical companies are making a killing here in USA.
Something has to give, and people are slowly waking up from their slumber, however I don't think it is going to turn around. When I go to the mall all I see is overweight , toxic , sickly people , everywhere. A healthy person walking in a mall is a minority for sure nowadays.
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Some moderating thoughts....
Everything has a process.
Some... go like this:
Start simple
Gets more accepted
Gets profitable
Gets competitive
Gets complicated
Gets questionable
Gets corrected
Gets it right
Trying to feed 300 million people that live in very urban or suburban areas requires LOTS of food.
Farmers and livestock providers look for ways to increase output… and profit.
Enter chemicals, hormones and other “bigger, better solutions”
Production and yield are increased geometrically.
People are fed… excess production gets shipped to starving nations around the world.
Technology gets shared… feeding the exploding population becomes easier… more efficient.
Companies get bigger… more compeditive….
They try to stretch yield and margins…. Some... go bad... it's human nature.
It all happens fast…. Very fast. Mere decades.
Effects are slow to surface
Studies suggest problems
Regulation begins…. Many with insufficient knowledge and narrow understanding.
Problems become more apparent…
A return to simple farming and livestock methods seem like the right answer… yea Primal!
But wait… we have to feed so many people. The old, natural ways will probably not produce enough food to feed the exploded population.
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The sad fact is…. If everyone went “Primal”… we would run out of food in two days.
Agriculture (grain) is what has fed the worlds population for the last 10,000 years…. without it the world would starve. Grains may cause problems in the human race… but they keep a majority of us alive, and living fairly well.
It is a process…
Maybe we Primal folk are on to something… maybe not…. Time will tell.
But for now… I am happy with my primal self… and kinda glad, in a VERY selfish way, that the rest of the people think we are nuts…. More tasty primal food for me.
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Based on my meager understanding--some populations have done pretty well with diets heavy in grain--rice in Asia, for instance. Pasta or noodles elsewhere. (Not saying they wouldn't do better on a primal diet.) But those that do well also have low sugar consumption. And when they add sugar to their diets, everything goes bad. The sugar is not only bad, it also creates problems related to the grain consumption that previously didn't exist, or at least were minor.
It also varies from person to person. Some have health problems and/or get fat on small amounts of grain (some do even with fruit) while others don't. (Again, not saying they wouldn't do better on a primal diet.) The ways food affects people isn't uniform (let alone fair!).
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Some moderating thoughts....
Everything has a process.
Some... go like this:
Start simple
Gets more accepted
Gets profitable
Gets competitive
Gets complicated
Gets questionable
Gets corrected
Gets it right
Trying to feed 300 million people that live in very urban or suburban areas requires LOTS of food.
Farmers and livestock providers look for ways to increase output… and profit.
Enter chemicals, hormones and other “bigger, better solutions”
Production and yield are increased geometrically.
People are fed… excess production gets shipped to starving nations around the world.
Technology gets shared… feeding the exploding population becomes easier… more efficient.
Companies get bigger… more compeditive….
They try to stretch yield and margins…. Some... go bad... it's human nature.
It all happens fast…. Very fast. Mere decades.
Effects are slow to surface
Studies suggest problems
Regulation begins…. Many with insufficient knowledge and narrow understanding.
Problems become more apparent…
A return to simple farming and livestock methods seem like the right answer… yea Primal!
But wait… we have to feed so many people. The old, natural ways will probably not produce enough food to feed the exploded population.
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The sad fact is…. If everyone went “Primal”… we would run out of food in two days.
Agriculture (grain) is what has fed the worlds population for the last 10,000 years…. without it the world would starve. Grains may cause problems in the human race… but they keep a majority of us alive, and living fairly well.
It is a process…
Maybe we Primal folk are on to something… maybe not…. Time will tell.
But for now… I am happy with my primal self… and kinda glad, in a VERY selfish way, that the rest of the people think we are nuts…. More tasty primal food for me.
Very well said.
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Must have a bit to do with your ancestry. What generations of your relatives ate has to have an impact. Rice has been eaten for thousands of years and Japanese culture is known for its low percentage of obesity and heart disease.
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Ok... time for an update... not really, but I like to see this thread active for newcomers or guests. :)
What am I trying to achieve with my posts?
to show that for an average person without great will power, or dedication to "gym" type exercise, health and fitness is easy.
to show that without advanced cooking skills... good food is easy to prepare
to show that I eat a LOT... I eat stuff I like... I eat yummy stuff that satisfies me
and that I will remain primal forever... even after I have nothing left to lose.
In the event that it kills me... then I have instructed my daughter to update this post with the proper info ;D
SUPlime... I agree... I have felt since the beginning of my "Primal" experience that my body was made for this. It just felt like I was home. I have given up so much stuff that I adored and craved for 60+ years... but for some reason, I don't miss anything or crave anything.
Ok... the update
I have been holding at 224 lbs foe a few days now... pretty standard for me to drop 1 lb every 3 to 4 days
I do not see gains of 1 or 2 lbs anymore... and I rarely drop more than 1 lb at a time. I have become very steady in my weight loss.... regardless of the intensity of my SUP activities. If I am inactive for a few days, or have several days of long sessions (as I did this week) ... my weight does not seem to react to the workout... just a nice steady decline.
I feel other benefits as well.. my face is nice and tight after losing 40 lbs... my shoulders, arms and legs have very little fat to lose, that sin is fine...my middle is reducing nicely... time will tell if my skin will respond in kind. I did a lot of study about what your skin needs to remain elastic and supple... fun thing... i didn't have to change a thing... all the foods that are the highest value for my skin... I already eat everyday ;D (salmon, spinach, nuts, tomato's, blueberries and carrots etc)
Here are my daily photo log of food eaten and activity enjoyed. It keeps me very clear, on all the influences on my health.
From last Thursday to this morning. Been an unusual week of great surf and epic sessions ... both flat-water and surf. But notice how the extra activity had no affect on the numbers. I tend to eat more as activity increases, which is to be expected.
Notice how steady and controlled the weight loss is on the left in the "chart" picture.... seems like its healthy and appropriate.
Please keep us updated on your primal experiences... I think it's important to keep the info coming in... lots of people to motivate out there.
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Blend Tech sucks a@@ SEA! (Actually, I don't know that... I just have to tell myself that after dropping five bones on a blender).
I made the most amazingly tasty vege shake on Sunday. Been drinking it all week and feel like I could single handedly defeat Al Quadia, forge peace in the Middle East, and balance the federal budget while giving more free sh*t to the poor and cutting taxes on the rich!
I have been super crazy busy and do not remember the ingredients... but I wrote them down at home. So, I will post it up.
I LOVEs me some veggie shakes!
SL
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Al Quadia.... is that the Mexican-California Chapter of Al Qaida? Or a new quad from Al Merrick? ;D
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ok... I've been cruising the blender isle at Walmart
after SL's post....I'm buying a blender and shakin' up my primal self ;D
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Yup - the wife actually wants a vitamix so we can try smoothies to get the boys to eat more veggies... We tried the cuisinart version in the past but after two of them died we gave up. I'm leaning towards the remanufactured vitamix...
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Al Quadia.... is that the Mexican-California Chapter of Al Qaida? Or a new quad from Al Merrick? ;D
He is a really tough bully on my street, "Alan Quaida" he fights dirty and is mean to women, homosexuals, Jews and Christians.
This time... I am gonna GET him!
SL
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ok... I've been cruising the blender isle at Walmart
after SL's post....I'm buying a blender and shakin' up my primal self ;D
Creek... check out the Ninja Master at Kmart for $99.00. It is built well, runs strong and very easy to clean.
http://www.kmart.com/ninja-master-blender/p-011W003558870000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6 (http://www.kmart.com/ninja-master-blender/p-011W003558870000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6)
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ok... I've been cruising the blender isle at Walmart
after SL's post....I'm buying a blender and shakin' up my primal self ;D
I own the Vitamix and the Blendtech, Ninja, but the best bargain is the Montel Williams Healthmaster. I got it for $120.00 and it does what the others do. The Vitamix is the quietest and the Blendtech has presets. The Ninja does just an OK job of it but not as smooth.
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Strand, get us that veggie recipe quick. Lately, I've fallen into a rut with my shakes and it's getting blah. Time to mix it up a bit and I'm sold on your power shake. I need to go tho the store, so I'll be getting some ingredients.
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AJR - l ordered a reman vitamix last week. Delivery is 8-15 days.
Strand - share that veggie smoothie
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I did a great tasting Green Shake yesterday. Here it is:
1 Handful of Spinach
1/2 Handful of Kale
1 Stick of Celery
1 Stick of Carrot
1/4 Apple
1 Handful of Pineapple
1-Kiwi
2 Scoops of Banana/Strawberry Protein powder
Thow it all in your blender (me the Montel Living well- works great)
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ohhhh Forgot you can add Almond Milk and ice cubes and make it a real smoooothie.
The kiwi and protein powder are optional in this green smoothie. You can add any fruit that you like. The apple is needed to kill the kale taste. If you like the smell and taste of Kale then it is optional too.
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Creek, I know you like cashews/cashew butter. I threw a tub of unsalted natural cashews in the Ninja last night and let er rip, 5 minutes later I had myself a creamy smooth batch of cashew butter. Anyone else make their own nut butter? Going to add some cocoa or cinnamon to the next batch.
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Creek
If you'd like to lose weight a little faster cut out the Apples and Strawberries and go easy on the carrots ... as far as fruit goes these are some of the highest carb counts. One good size apple is about 30 grams of carbs and high in sugar.
When I was loosing my pork belly I tried to stay under 50 grams of carbs a day. I don't think I touched fruit for at least 8 months into it .
Just a suggestion. maybe you can try cut back for a couple of weeks and see what kind of difference it makes.
Grok on brother
Aloha
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Blend Tech sucks a@@ SEA! (Actually, I don't know that... I just have to tell myself that after dropping five bones on a blender).
This will take all the air out of our bubbles ..... Can you say Hamilton Beach :)
5-Blender Comparison Test Including Vita-Mix & Blendtec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkcgBwbE7nw#)
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Sorry meant to Say Kitchen Aid :) oops
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SEA...Good advice... I rarely eat that much fruit... it just happened to work out that way... I always lean on blueberries for sweet snacks because they have such superior health benefits.... but they doubled in price 2 weeks ago and strawberries went on a 1/2 price sale....
I surfed hard that day... the apples kept me alert on the 2.5 hour ride home....so it was more fruit than usual for sure. I don't like to ingest that much sugar... even if it is natural
I'm really happy with the pace the weight is coming off... any faster would make me nervous... I have to allow my body time to adapt to the shrinkage.
Carrots are great for the skin and so many other things... I am more focused on balancing a really powerful array of vitamins and minerals to make my body healthy and supple. To be really happy and content with what I eat, I want to enjoy the good stuff... the pounds still fall away. People ask what my goal weight is... funny thing is... I no longer think of this from a weight loss perspective, since I just plan to keep enjoying great food... shrinking is now just a great benefit that comes with the package... it will get me to my ideal weight without me having to focus on that as an end goal.
Kaya... where do you buy your nuts?... they are too darn expensive to make nut butter out of.... I just buy the pre-made stuff.
mdsurf... thanks for the smoothie recipe...I really need to get the Ninja.. I need to eat more kale... and that seems like the best way to get it done.
Ha!.... I told you the cheapie blenders are as good as the pro models! I'll have to take some apples to the store for test blends ;D
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Sea is correct in the fact that some fruits are high in carbs and sugars. You can make the smoothie without the fruits it is just harder for me to choke down the Kale taste the 1/4 apple cuts that down.
Carrots and Strawberries have about the same in carbs 12, Apple about 14 and pineapple about double them 20. Bananas are way up there too. If you cut these out of your daily diet and keep your carbs around 50-60 daily it will increase your weight loss.
If you were to put everything (all fruit mentioned) in the green smoothie then the result would be:
390 Calories 65 Carbs 5 fat 21 protien It is a meal in itself.
If you just keep it green and protein Kiwi and 1/4 apple:
264 Calories 33 Carbs 5 fat 20 protien
By cutting out the fruit it drops the Carbs in half and Calories by 35%
Carrots, Strawberries, Apples, Bananas and Cashews are all healthy but high in carbs and can sneak up on your daily intake. If you want rapid weight loss you can eliminate these from your daily diet also. These are all my favorites so I have them as a treat here and there.
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Sorry meant to Say Kitchen Aid :) oops
Wow, that test on the blenders was interesting. Id be pretty darn p**d off if my $500 blender, couldn't even blend an apple.
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Sorry meant to Say Kitchen Aid :) oops
Wow, that test on the blenders was interesting. Id be pretty darn p**d off if my $500 blender, couldn't even blend an apple.
Couldn't agree with you more. I do wonder how long that Kitchen Aid would last though.
That said, our Vitamix seems like it could liquify rocks. We love the thing. It makes the best smoothies and "ice cream" simply out of frozen fruit.
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Creek:
Your posts are awesome! I love checking in and seeing your progress and the pics of the meals. Makes me hungry just looking at them.
You should be way proud of the progress.
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I did a great tasting Green Shake yesterday. Here it is:
1 Handful of Spinach
1/2 Handful of Kale
1 Stick of Celery
1 Stick of Carrot
1/4 Apple
1 Handful of Pineapple
1-Kiwi
2 Scoops of Banana/Strawberry Protein powder
Thow it all in your blender (me the Montel Living well- works great)
My after surf green shake (basically lunch) today was similar to yours.
2 big handfuls of kale
2 stalks celery
2 carrots unpeeled
1/2 cucumber
8-10 red grapes
1 kiwi
3 strawberries
tablespoon of almond butter
Looked bad, tasted great. ;D
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The blender test was interesting but misleading. If you buy your blender to see if it can liquify a round object quickly... great. So, shape of the Kitchen Aid blender forces the round object into the blades better... great. But that is not why I use a blender.
The key issue for shake making from my perspective is low end torque... and the automatic variable speed of the Vitamix.
Meaning, when I make a shake I am usually doing 300 things at the same time. Sanding fins, bathing Maximus, cooking dinner, chopping up figs and slicing cheese for appetizers out back, reading about the best boutique cabs to lay down for a spell... etc.
So, by the time I hit "On" the frozen fruit and liquid have all melted together forming a single block of ice together in the bottom of the blender. This ice block is what kills the average blenders (and my three cuisinarts). With the Vitamix, it just mows through without hesitating.
Also, the Vitamix has the cool stanmping tool and the removable section from the lid. When you use the "variable" speed, the blender starts slowly, mixing everything together, as you add more ingredients to the top... without spewing shake cr*p all over your counter.
So if you are looking to liquify round objects quickly... go KitchenAid. If you are looking for a blender hand down to your favorite kid in your will... go VitaMix.
IMHO, you will blow out that KitchenAid in a year of constant use.
As I think I mentioned earlier, my father in law uses his every single day... for the last fifteen years.
SL
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My recipe for the POPEYE:
Spinach, Kale, Broccoli, (equal parts) (vitamins)
Three or four stalks of Celery, 1 Cucumber (base)
1/2 Red Bell Pepper (bite)
1 Carrot, 1 Beet (no stalk or stem as they are bitter), 1/2 pear (sweet)
A tablespoon of olive oil (why not?)
A pinch of pepper.
Water, ice or coconut water to desired thickness.
The cucumber taste really comes through... and the pear, carrot and beet help kill the strange taste of raw kale and raw broccoli.
This fills the VitaMix and makes eight or ten servings. I keep one container at the office, and another at home.
For some reason, I don't add animal protein to my veggie shakes... it just seems wierd to me.
SL
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My recipe for the POPEYE:
Spinach, Kale, Broccoli, (equal parts) (vitamins)
Three or four stalks of Celery, 1 Cucumber (base)
1/2 Red Bell Pepper (bite)
1 Carrot, 1 Beet (no stalk or stem as they are bitter), 1/2 pear (sweet)
A tablespoon of olive oil (why not?)
A pinch of pepper.
Water, ice or coconut water to desired thickness.
The cucumber taste really comes through... and the pear, carrot and beet help kill the strange taste of raw kale and raw broccoli.
This fills the VitaMix and makes eight or ten servings. I keep one container at the office, and another at home.
For some reason, I don't add animal protein to my veggie shakes... it just seems wierd to me.
SL
I think at the next demo day we'll all go surf but SL stays in the beach and whips up demos of all his smoothies... Bring a long extension cord.
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Ok.
Here is a low cal low carb good tasting very green shake.
Handful of Spinach
Handful of Kale
One stick of Celery
One Kiwi (minus the skin)
1/4 red or green apple
Almond Milk, Coconut water or plain water
Total Calories 99 Total Carbs 15 Protein 4
Again you can add whey protein or blueberries and it tastes good and good protein/vegetables for the day.
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My recipe for the POPEYE:
Spinach, Kale, Broccoli, (equal parts) (vitamins)
Three or four stalks of Celery, 1 Cucumber (base)
1/2 Red Bell Pepper (bite)
1 Carrot, 1 Beet (no stalk or stem as they are bitter), 1/2 pear (sweet)
A tablespoon of olive oil (why not?)
A pinch of pepper.
Water, ice or coconut water to desired thickness.
The cucumber taste really comes through... and the pear, carrot and beet help kill the strange taste of raw kale and raw broccoli.
This fills the VitaMix and makes eight or ten servings. I keep one container at the office, and another at home.
For some reason, I don't add animal protein to my veggie shakes... it just seems wierd to me.
SL
What is the total Calories/Carbs/Sugars of this shake?
Maybe Calories 344 Carbs 83 Protein 10
It sounds like it is packed full of goodness.
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AJR,
I actually found an outlet behind the soda machine next to the bathroom... and it is live.
So, its on like Donkey Kong!
Actually I will probably bring a hot plate, eggs, bacon, and vegetables... nothing like warm fresh brekkie frying on the beach.
T
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Blasting off to the store and I'm going to fire up one of these shakes. I'll give a report on how the ninja goes through it.
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Sweet! I did one this morning - the lean green protein. Spinach, kale, broccoli ,celery , carrot, raspberries, and protein powder with ice and almond milk. And a great 3 hour surf session afterwards.
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Ninja wins!
May 2013 Consumer Reports
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60 bucks for a ninja !!! deal :)
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SUPerstitious ... thanks for the comments! It is fun for sure. So simple its stupid...
and I mean that as in... how did I miss this for the first 64 years?
Why the hell did I fight a life long war against the "Battle of the Bulge" when it was this simple?
I went out to the local Pub for a drink few days ago, I was sitting next to a women that overheard me, when a friend asked how I was losing the weight... we ended up talking primal for a while.
Last night she came over and spoke quietly into my ear..
"Thank you so much for the conversation the other night... it has gotten me on the right path.
It came at the perfect time for me and I am so grateful."
I feels so good to pass this on ;D ;D
I appreciate the conversations, information and stoke that passes through this thread.
I can't wait to get a Ninja... I'd rather chew my food than drink it, but for kale and some odd bits that I am missing out on.... it will be good!
I just finished the most decadent Sunday brunch of Eggs, bacon and butternut squash homefries... and I'm losing weight eating like this.... how cool is that? ;D
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Here's a great Primal snack/light lunch. Local deli has bacon wrapped turkey breast. Boil a couple eggs, peel and wrap some of the turkey around eggs, enjoy!!!
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I just ate Sunday brunch at PBill's and it was magnificent. He's really a great cook and the food just kept coming. After yesterday's race I had an appetite.
Anyway in the spirit of the day and with all that great chow, I feel resurrected. Ready to paddle again... tomorrow .. good monday.
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Creek, next time you're out at the pub..
And your new lady-friend stops by...
...You might want to leave out the part about the "shrinkage"!
Alcohol, etc. Some things might get lost in translation :D
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Well - it's working... I've been primal for about 4 weeks now. I've been pretty true to the program when it comes to carbs & legumes; I haven't strictly followed the organic/local part due to life complications & the expense but I'm still seeing great results.
I've been tracking my calories religiously since 2010 (LoseIt) and it's eye-opening: over the last 4 weeks I've eaten on average over 3,000 extra net calories per week (food minus exercise) and still lost 8 lbs. That's with much less exercise than I've done in the past. My carb count went from an average of 300-400g per day to 75-100 (sometimes a little over 100g even). The most pleasant side effect has been the reduction in cravings; when I was carb heavy I was always hungry and it was a constant battle not to eat. Now I don't have the sugar highs/lows, significantly less cravings, and a lot more energy (so much in fact that I'm down to 16 oz of coffee in the morning vs. my historical 48 oz over the entire day).
It works folks!
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;D
Another nice side effect... as you begin to understand why it works, you begin to research your food and drink... it's self motivating.
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My carb count went from an average of 300-400g per day to 75-100 (sometimes a little over 100g even).
AJR, would you mind sharing a typical days intake of cards? I am not one for counting and tracking these numbers, but I would love to see how I stack up based on what I consume.
I assume most of the carbs you are taking in are via veggies, but would love to know.
Thanks in advance!
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My carb count went from an average of 300-400g per day to 75-100 (sometimes a little over 100g even).
AJR, would you mind sharing a typical days intake of cards? I am not one for counting and tracking these numbers, but I would love to see how I stack up based on what I consume.
I assume most of the carbs you are taking in are via veggies, but would love to know.
Thanks in advance!
Here you go:
Breakfast: 1,000 calories and 28 carbs
3 egg omelette cooked in coconut oil with ˝ cup sautéed spinach & 1 tbsp feta cheese, 1 smallish avocado, 1 tbsp unsweetened coconut milk in my coffee, ˝ cup strawberries, 4 oz grilled pork chop
Lunch: 709 calories and 13 carbs
Medium sized tossed salad (romaine lettuce, cucumber, red bell pepper, celery, tomato, green onion, vinegar/oil dressing), 1 cup canned green beans, 2 small grilled chicken legs with skin
Snacks: 435 calories and 9 carbs
Grilled chicken thigh with skin, 23 almonds, ˝ oz macadamia nuts, tbsp. half & half (decaf in the afternoon – rough day)
Dinner: 598 calories and 27 carbs
5 oz grilled skirt steak salad (5 cups romaine & 4 tbsp balsamic vinaigrette), 2/3 cups boiled beets, 1 cup zucchini with lemon & cilantro
Total for the day:
178g protein, 77g carbs, 197g fat, 2742 food calories, -262 exercise calories (according to LoseIt)
Exercise – 1 hr walk with the dogs at average pace of 3 mph
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AJR, thank you. I guess I am not eating much more than you are, and roughly similar foods/quantities. I guess I just assumed I took in more carbs.
I need to track a week or two worth of meals just to see what my baseline is.
Thanks again for posting this. Very helpful stuff!
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Glad to help. Try an app on your phone - makes it a lot easier...
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Hey creek , SL and all the other Grokers check this ladies story out SO AMAZING !!! but typical of Paleo living . She took 4 years to get where she is but that is a slow healthy process. God bless her.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-the-21-day-challenge-helped-me/#axzz2Or8bWCRu (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-the-21-day-challenge-helped-me/#axzz2Or8bWCRu)
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SEA--nice article. One thing I especially like about the primal approach is that it takes away the guilt/lack of willpower/failure component that is almost universal--the idea that if you're trying to lose weight and failing, it's because you're weak or lazy.
When calorie restriction studies show people failing to lose weight, people don't even consider that the "calorie is a calorie" idea is wrong. Instead, they accuse the subjects of cheating---understating what they ate, or overstating their exercise.
Everyone who knows heavy people, or has been heavy, knows that a heavy person may be just as conscientious or even more so about diet and exercise than thin people (who themselves can be lazy and eat horribly).
Certainly you can't eat like a pig or sit all day and expect to be trim, but beyond that, being heavy isn't the sign of failure that it's made out to be. That attitude is ruining lives. People--especially "experts"--need to quit beating up on heavy people, and start understanding that all calories are not equal.
It is so sad to me to imagine what people like the woman in the article went through before finding success.
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Sorry for rant, but one more thing. Imagine if was a couple days before Thanksgiving, and you wanted to be able to work up a huge appetite so you could enjoy eating a lot. What would everyone tell you to do? Cut back on what you're eating. Go hungry. Cut out the heavy, fatty foods. Exercise a lot--especially cardio. Top it off with a big run Thanksgiving morning.
Does that sound familiar? It should--it's the standard advice for losing weight. In other words, the standard advice for losing weight is exactly the same as the standard advice for working up a ravenous appetite. That should tell people something.
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I feel EXACTLY as you do PDX . This country is so screwed up health wise .The road to healing all starts with good solid nutrition or diet as some say. I have been Paleo for 3 years now and I will never go back to the traditional way of eating , it is not even an option.
I have many heavy friends here in Hawaii and they have a lot of health issues and I try to explain Paleo to them , almost all don't think they can cut out RICE and POI it is sad. However seeing a young lady like this who has suffered tremendously from a child into adulthood take control of her health and make the needed changes in diet , just goes to show you that this Paleo way of living is very doable and once you get rolling it's easy to stick to.
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Yes... the country is screwed up health wise, a pretty natural "over indulgence" that comes with abundance. "Experts" are just doing the best they can within the confines of what they "know"
It's not a conspiracy or evil plan...
Food is no longer scarce or hard earned, we are experiencing an orgy of excess. The companies that pamper our need for self gratification grow bigger and more powerful. The quest for new sensations leads down the road to decay, like entertainment.... "Leave it to Beaver" used to satisfy us... now it takes "Resident Evil 4"
It is human nature to abuse abundance, and become increasingly decadent.
decadence
noun: degeneration, decline, corruption, fall, decay, deterioration, dissolution, perversion
Government is a reflection of our cultural and moral decline....it's just the predictive path of societal evolution.
I do what I can for people who are receptive... the rest.. I don't sweat. I'm not wasting my Karma worrying about the failings of society. I now paddle blissfully through calm waters ;D
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STC--there's truth to all that.
But when it comes to people trying to lose weight, and the people advising them--doctors, nutritionists, etc.--there's a whole component that has nothing to do with decadence. In fact, it's the opposite. The vast majority of the advisors are telling people what they genuinely think will work, and the majority of the many people who are sincerely trying to lose weight already recognize the dangers of decadence, and genuinely try to make sacrifices to overcome that.
But the problem is that a lot of what's being advised and followed is wrong. And a lot of the people being hurt (by not being able to lose excess weight) are the ones who are the MOST diligent about following the accepted BEST advice.
So, while you have many people who don't lose weight because they're not willing to give up say, grains, because they love eating them, you have many others who are eating a lot of grains because that's what their diligent research has told them is a healthy diet. Many people eat less meat, fewer eggs, and less fat because that's what the "best" advice has been, and have been exercising a lot of willpower to avoid them. And they're worse off than their friends that aren't even trying to eat healthily, so haven't cut back on those healthy foods.
That's what is sad to me--seeing people trying to achieve health, and failing due to bad advice. It's like watching someone who doesn't know how to paddle or swim correctly, but thinks they do, teaching people who are diligently listening and learning bad habits. And the more diligent they are, the worse off they become--even worse than less diligent people who never bothered to take a class.
But it's also what's great about hearing personally from people like you who are willing to share what they're doing, because that's what can really get people going in the right direction.
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pdx - I totally agree...you just accurately described me. I was merely trying to put frustration over bad advice into proper context.
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It’s tough for someone to lose weight these days with food manufactures using science on their products to make it taste better and even addictive. Add to that 100 plus channels on cable, video games, and the internet. Then there’s the magic pill or exercise equipment that tricks you into thinking that it will make you look like an airbrush model with a six pack.
What I’m trying to say is, It’s not as simple as changing the diet. Their entire lifestyle has to change and that’s what I find the hardest thing for people to do.
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An interesting tale regarding our experts in the field: Every year my department does a physical assessment on all of us to see how we're holding up. It includes a physical, blood work, strength, endurance, and stretchiness testing. Pretty cool stuff really.
So this year, at the age of 43, my cholesterol was lower than in the previous ten years, I finally made single digit bodyfat, increases in pushups, situps, and treadmill time (all personal records for me). The only real difference was a switch to paleo a couple months ago. I probably put more time in running a couple months ago after ear surgery but I'd be surprised if that helped my strength any. Oh yeah, they estimated my physiological age at 26.
As we're talking with the college's dietician who is trying to help us improve, she asks, "does anyone here follow a paleo lifestyle? I know it's a big fad right now. " I proudly raised my hand since I was feeling pretty good about myself. She proceeded to tell me how I was killing myself by not eating any vegetables (???) and that a lack of grains was killing my kidneys and liver (???). There were a couple of other reasons why I was playing Russian roulette but by then I had tuned her out. She was nice enough to tell me she had the diet I should follow and handed me a copy of the food pyramid.
I wish that was a joke. I guess I'm just going to be a pretty corpse.
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That's crazy Kneecap. Paleo doesn't rule out veggies. Mark Sisson eats a "big ass salad" almost daily. I feel I do better when I have a good veggie meat balance than all meat.
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Totally agree! I eat more veggies now than I ever have. I've just eliminated all the starches in my diet abs feel like a million bucks.
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SEA- Thoroughly enjoyed that story. I like to see people healthier and happier.
Since I switched from low fat high carb to Paleo, my energy has been through the roof. I just got a temp. job for a company from California. I assemble grills, wheelbarrows, picnic tables etc. by the piece, rather than by the hour, for a couple local Home Depots. Time is money and I hustle my ass for 8-10 hours and a couple of the managers have asked me where I get my energy from. There's always a bag of almonds, a banana, and a green apple within reach while working.
I saw Creeks salad and at lunchtime I have been devouring a giant salad of Arugula, scallions, tomato, avocado, organic carrots, sliced almonds,blueberries, and any of the following: grass fed sirloin tips, grass fed ground beef, chicken or lean pork. Dressing is sesame oil with a little balsamic vinegar.
I've always eaten a ton of vegetables because I like them, but the addition of formerly banned foods like grass fed beef and a juicy pork chop is pure heaven. For me personally, its about what I CAN eat, as opposed to the restriction of what I CAN'T eat. Thats why this works for me.
I'm going to get my cholesterol,LDL, and HDL checked again this summer. I can't wait to see the results as this is one of the main reasons I'm Paleo.
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Apologies if this has been asked a million times before, but how did you all get started on paleo? I've been lurking around Mark's Daily Apple (and this thread) for a little bit and think it would be a good fit for me but I'm not sure where to start. I'm already a big fan of veggies and just this week made a commitment to quit diet sodas and other sweeteners and am looking for other ways to adjust. Recipes would be a huge help since I'm a terrible cook. I definitely need to switch things up a bit.
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Ginger
This is a great start... pictures of food... click the interesting ones and a recipe pops up
I recommend you join the site... it will allow you to weekly menu plan by clicking stuff you like...
and it will give you a pop up shopping list of everything you will need for your entire meal... great site!!!
http://www.primalpalate.com/ (http://www.primalpalate.com/)
primal is easy once you get the premise of it.... I pretty much just started here... and more research just seemed to follow as my interest increased.
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Great story, kneecap. Interesting how as soon as the nutritionist hears you're not following the mainstream diet (ie.e the grain-heavy food pyramid) she throws out all your good objective test evidence that you're healthy and decides you're killing yourself in ways the tests aren't revealing.
Makes you wonder what the point of doing the tests is, if all that damage to your liver and kidneys isn't showing up.
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kneecap... I went to the hospital to pick up my 93 year old Grandmother. She lived in her own apartment and was self sufficient. Just had some tests done.
I got there in time to hear the nurse giving her a stern talking to:
" Fanny (my gramma) I want you to stop eating all these foods.
Butter, ice cream, cheese, milk, Au Jus, Manichevitz wine, hamburgs... blah blah blah..."
My granny was shrinking with every word.
Me to the young nurse:
" How old are you?.... (shocked look) ....prehaps you should ask Fanny what she eats, and follow it.... maybe you'll live to be 93" ;D
Granny smiled and we left... on the way home I stopped at a local resturant and picked up 1 gallon of their Au Jus.... she drank it like tea in the morning.
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Me to the young nurse:
" How old are you?.... (shocked look) ....prehaps you should ask Fanny what she eats, and follow it.... maybe you'll live to be 93"
Haha I LOVE this! I review the charts of my patients before they come back to surgery and it always blows my mind when I see some doc has placed a 90 year old, 90 lb patient on a "cardiac diet". Puh-lease! That person should be able to eat whatever they want! (And yes you would be surprised at how many 90 year olds are having surgery).
Food really is the best medicine, there is no doubt about that... both preventative an curative. It's never a surprise when I'm taking a patient back to have their gallbladder removed and they say how they can't wait for the surgery to be over so they can finally eat - and when I ask them what they want, half of the time the answer is "McDonalds"... ::)
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Me to the young nurse:
" How old are you?.... (shocked look) ....prehaps you should ask Fanny what she eats, and follow it.... maybe you'll live to be 93"
Haha I LOVE this! I review the charts of my patients before they come back to surgery and it always blows my mind when I see some doc has placed a 90 year old, 90 lb patient on a "cardiac diet". Puh-lease! That person should be able to eat whatever they want! (And yes you would be surprised at how many 90 year olds are having surgery).
Food really is the best medicine, there is no doubt about that... both preventative an curative. It's never a surprise when I'm taking a patient back to have their gallbladder removed and they say how they can't wait for the surgery to be over so they can finally eat - and when I ask them what they want, half of the time the answer is "McDonalds"... ::)
My surgeon, both pre and post ALIF surgery told me to eat "lots of red meat, grass fed if possible". At every post op check up, his first two questions are how do I feel and how is the diet.
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Ginger
This is a great start... pictures of food... click the interesting ones and a recipe pops up
I recommend you join the site... it will allow you to weekly menu plan by clicking stuff you like...
and it will give you a pop up shopping list of everything you will need for your entire meal... great site!!!
http://www.primalpalate.com/ (http://www.primalpalate.com/)
primal is easy once you get the premise of it.... I pretty much just started here... and more research just seemed to follow as my interest increased.
thanks supthecreek, that's really helpful! Will definitely use that.
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When I'm 93, and some doctor or nurse tells me I have to change my diet, I'm going to tell them I eat what I eat because that's what my mom cooks for me.
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Fifteen minute dish:
Slice organic salami, super thin. Thaw out four jumbo scallops. (Trader Joes). Put coconut and macadamia nut oil in saucepan...
While scallops are thawing, throw raw baby spinach leaves, chopped celery, chopped tomatoes, 1/3 avocado chopped together with some small chunks of sliced salami... Olive oil, balsamic vinegar, pepper, and a pinch of salt. Mix.
Heat oil in saucepan.
Place thin salami strips in saucepan, put scallops on top.
Two minutes...
Remove salami and throw them in the salad mix, and flip,the scallops... Pinch of kosher salt on top of scallops, then a smidge of pepper.
Put a bit of butter on top... Remove in 1-2 minutes.
Put on top of the salad.
Eat.
Kind of an Italian twist on bacon wrapped scallops.
SL
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SL KILLER !!! sounds SO GOOD !!!
Hey guys and gals her is another example of the amazing effectiveness of Paleo. My freinds son Tyler has been living Paleo for 4 months he went from 320 to currently 195 and dropping. This is all with virtually no exercise except basket ball 2 times a week. He is now training about 3 times a week trying to build muscle. I am so proud of this young man (he's 20) His life and his personality has changed dramatically all for GOOD !!!
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wow SEA... that's awesome!
it is unbelievable how everything works with just a few changes in eating habits.
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Could not agree more Creek !!
As you progress and grow in the Paleo living it becomes so self evident that this is a very user friendly way of living. However most people just won't make the commitment to try.
So when I see a young 20 year old like tyler make the leap and go full Paleo it is AMAZING .. !! Tyler has gotten 3 people at his work who are now living Paleo. Paying it forward !! YAHHHHH !!!!
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I had that exact same thought the other day when I logged onto "Seabreeze"
I did a search and found out that they had NO mention of Primal on the site.....
So I started a thread in the chance that it might just interest someone in OZ.
so far it appears to attract more jabs than real interest... but then, so did this thread at first. :)
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Oh... by the way... I am in my TEENS again
219 lbs today.... haven't seen that in over 20 years ;D
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here's a good deal on the Ninja Prep Master professional. Retails for over 60 clams but it's onsale at kohls.com right now for 49.95. Use the coupon 'showers' and get another 20% off, making it like 40. Free shipping over 75, so buy one for yourself and one as a gift. I just teamed up with SupTheCreek to get the deal.
link: http://www.kohls.com/product/prd-676480/ninja-master-prep-professional-blender-food-processor.jsp (http://www.kohls.com/product/prd-676480/ninja-master-prep-professional-blender-food-processor.jsp)
btw/ this is the better of the two master-prep models...more powerful motor and extra blender jar.
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I had that exact same thought the other day when I logged onto "Seabreeze"
I did a search and found out that they had NO mention of Primal on the site.....
So I started a thread in the chance that it might just interest someone in OZ.
so far it appears to attract more jabs than real interest... but then, so did this thread at first. :)
Based on DJ's photos of the SUP events in OZ, there doesn't seem to be any aversion to eating meat or fat there. I don't see anyone lining up after the races for cereal and lowfat yogurt.
That may be a bit facetious, but seriously the only reason primal sounds at all extreme is because health-conscious Americans have become obsessed with eating whole grains and lowfat foods, even if sugary, and avoiding meat and eggs. But if you described the primal diet to any American a couple decades ago, or to people in many places outside the U.S. (such as OZ?) they'd wonder what the fuss is about. To them, the primal diet is just what you'd eat anyway, but with some restraint on sugar and bread/pasta/grains. Therefore, nothing particularly notable.
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Just ordered a Vitamix - found this site. Click on their links to order and when it took me to the Vitamix site it applied a free shipping coupon that saved me $25...
http://joyofblending.com/which-vitamix-to-buy/
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pdx... I imagine you are correct on that one... most Aussies I saw during my tenure were more fit than Americans, but I still read lots of posts over there where they are lamenting excess k's. I will prod a bit more in an effort to keep the thread alive until it reaches some more folks. I figure a thread that only appeals to a few doesn't harm the disinterested ;D
Linter... buddy... thank's for asking me about the Ninja deal. That worked out nicely!
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Which protein powder are y'all using? I imagine you have to be careful since some (many? ) have sugar?
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Oh... by the way... I am in my TEENS again
219 lbs today.... haven't seen that in over 20 years ;D
Keep going. Love seeing your updates...amazing stuff!
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I think it's a good time for an inspirational photo update
The first reflects the progress achieved by SUP + exercise + traditional dieting
In 18 months of hard work and eating like a bird I was able to knock off 52 lbs, then immediately gain 30 lbs back the second I lost focus....
Net - after 18 months of HARD work and denial ? A mere 23 lbs :'(
The continual suffering a YOYO life... The result of popular nutritional theory..... No pain - No gain
I had had enough pain.... and too much GAIN
Primal stuck a nerve... thank God!
NO pain, NO denial, No effort needed... just eat plenty of amazingly satisfying food... and the result just happen. It's really that simple. If you believe the concept and aren't half ass about it... it is amazing!
I honestly can hardly feel a difference from my lifelong eating habits...
just minor changes and BAM
(plus the changes taste BETTER)
I eat:
Full Fat Meat instead of LEAN Meat
Butternut squash instead of potatoes
Blueberries, nuts & fruit instead of Low Fat-Low Cal Cereal Bars
Giant, moist LOADED Salads instead of whimpy dry diet salads
Fresh Fish instead of Lean Cuisine
Almond Butter instead of Peanut Butter
Water instead of milk
Water instead of Diet Coke
Free range butter instead of margarine
Free range eggs instead of NONE
Bacon instead of NONE
Avocados instead of NONE
Organic instead of Genetically Modified
Absolute Ruby Red instead of Absolute and Diet Coke ;)
I enjoy:
Not having to go though life in a constant state of Will Power & Denial
followed by the inevitable gain when Will Power weakens... as it always does
"Research tells us that willpower is a limited resource. Each of us only has so much of it."
Primal requires NO will power... just understanding why it works and a desire to be healthy
Cool Bonus features:
Feeling absolutely fantastic
Low volume boards instead of high volume boards ;D
Surfing heaps better
being 217 lbs today.... momentarily on the way down :D
Best bonus feature?
knowing I will never have to think about dieting and weight gain again :-*
1st pic shows Modern Man's unsatisfactory YoYo diet results of 18 months
2nd shows Primal Man's effortless incredible results of 3 months Primal
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Amazing Creek. As if we needed any more evidence, Eleven time world champ and all around rippa Kelly Slater, aka Jimmy Slade, is primal. He tweeted a primal muffin recipe yesterday... Will be making it soon.
SL
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Creek, you look amazing!
I'm still getting into the swing of things, my diet was already pretty clean but I've swapped out my protein bars and other grains and no diet soda for a week now which for me is practically a miracle. But it is pretty straight forward and tons of options if you look around a little. 3 pounds down in a week too so I can't complain! I've got a thyroid issue so weight control has always been an issue. I'm not looking to drop a lot, more concerned about dropping body fat percentage and building muscle. Creek, you're seriously inspiring!
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Thanks Ginger... you made me smile ;D
go girl go!
The deeper you get... the more you like it. I now find food labels fascinating and really look for stuff that will do me right.
Just started pouring Celery Seed on my salads... cuz I love them... but man... are they loaded with nutrition. Look them up... it's stuff like that, that makes this so much fun.
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Try Hemp seed Creek It's AMAZING !! omega 3 oils and protein , but that is not why I like them although that would be good but they taste Super good on salad !! No buzz from these seeds just GOOD EATS !!
I get mine from www.nutiva.com (http://www.nutiva.com) same place I buy my coconut oil .
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Creek....amazing! I am telling everyone about your story. Keep it up.
The only downside, which you didn't mention is the need to buy new wetsuits, but those are well deserved.
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I still haven't managed to get completely primal. Too many temptations, definitely doing better and losing weight (slowly) but not quite caveman yet.
I was talking to a co-worker about it and the potential benefits for inflammation. He has arthritis bad, takes meds for it but wanted to get off them since they screw up his immune system (twice in the hospital on IV drips for infections). He's been following an anti-inflammation diet (similar to primal but with less red meat and some whole grains added in) for the last 3 weeks. He thinks it's working, he's off the meds and just taking a small dose of ibuprofen before bed and in the morning. He's never been able to control the pain before with just ibuprofen.
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Latest consumer reports buts the Ninja at $60 at the top of the list followed by the Vitamix...sorry SL... ;). best thing...my daughter already bought one. Comes with the large bowl and I think 4 individual glasses.
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Latest consumer reports buts the Ninja at $60 at the top of the list followed by the Vitamix...sorry SL... ;). best thing...my daughter already bought one. Comes with the large bowl and I think 4 individual glasses.
I have a Ninja, and it really works great. I will say that what SL is saying is true though. This Ninja isn't going to college with my 9 year old. Hopefully by then I will have acquired a Vitamix and all will be well.
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Ginger - just thought I'd share a word of caution regarding thyroid function and primal eating: if you're hypothyroid and eating primal be sure you are getting enough carbs. Going too low carb can be detrimental to thyroid function in people with existing hypothyroidism, so if you find increased hypo symptoms simply up the carbs. The amount you will need varies individually as well. Some are good around 150g a day, others will need more, others less. Your body will tell you where it's happy at :)
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Ginger good advice by MK !! make sure those carbs come from good sources like Sweet potato , veggies , nuts act. :) you'll be fine. You will definetly have to fine tune your carb intake to tailor fit your needs, but so does everyone who lives Paleo. I am constantly monitoring my carb needs according to my activity level . Good luck
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Latest consumer reports buts the Ninja at $60 at the top of the list followed by the Vitamix...sorry SL... ;). best thing...my daughter already bought one. Comes with the large bowl and I think 4 individual glasses.
I have a Ninja, and it really works great. I will say that what SL is saying is true though. This Ninja isn't going to college with my 9 year old. Hopefully by then I will have acquired a Vitamix and all will be well.
Very true...we had a vitamix for like 15 or 20 years before the shaft rounded on it.
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Ginger - just thought I'd share a word of caution regarding thyroid function and primal eating: if you're hypothyroid and eating primal be sure you are getting enough carbs. Going too low carb can be detrimental to thyroid function in people with existing hypothyroidism, so if you find increased hypo symptoms simply up the carbs. The amount you will need varies individually as well. Some are good around 150g a day, others will need more, others less. Your body will tell you where it's happy at :)
Thanks mittenkitten, I will keep and eye on it! So far so good, but definitely something to be aware of.
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Made my first Ninja Smoothie yesterday.... yowza!
First of all... thanks Linter... for thinking of me when you saw the Cole's deal.
I can't believe I got a blender kitchen prep center, for $45.
The Ninja Master Prep Pro is amazingly well engineered. The design takes, what could be a lethal contraption, and makes safety foolproof... by putting the powerhead on top, it is impossible to turn it on when the blades are accessible.... given the reality of blending lots of difficult veggies and fruit... this is a real blessing of forethought. I like products that are well thought out and designed :)
I picked up the Ninja from Linter on Sunday, when on a surf road trip to LinterLand in Rhode Island. Fun waves... sunny and lite offshores. Stayed all day. Got home late and did not shop for smoothie ingredients... so I just used what I had.
Blueberry Kale Smoothie
1 cup - Trader Joe's frozen blueberries
1 McIntosh apple
1 navel orange- peeled
1 kiwi fruit - peeled
1/2 cup - organic pineapple chunks
1/4 cup - juice from pineapple chunks
stuff the rest of the 48oz pitcher with baby kale greens
chop... add 6 ice cubes... blend
Perfect!!!!!
Great Purple color... awesome sweet taste and texture.
I got 2 servings. 406 calories per 12 oz glass
I had #2 this morning with some eggs
Some pictures of the Master Prep and smoothie #1
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glad you like the ninja!
here's a kale hint that you might already know. freeze the big bunch of it; when you pull it out, the leaves will (more or less) crumble right off the stalks. ez-peeze!
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Bought some grapefruit yesterday... I just searched for a smoothie recipe for them...
I found this useful "Smoothie" site:
http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/green-smoothie-recipes/ (http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/green-smoothie-recipes/)
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Bought some grapefruit yesterday... I just searched for a smoothie recipe for them...
I found this useful "Smoothie" site:
http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/green-smoothie-recipes/ (http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/green-smoothie-recipes/)
Wow...talk about being devoted to the art of the smoothie. That site has TONS of different recipes. Nice find Creek!
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A colleague has gone primal to combat his rheumatoid arthritis after I had discussed the potential inflammation fighting benefits with him. He wanted to give up the RA meds since they also screwed up his immune system resulting in a couple of hospital visits with anti-biotic drips to fight infection. He's seeing good results. He's also seeing a very well regarded area chiropractor who also happens to be a paleo proponent.
He shared this video with me today about a Doctor with MS that had seen all the best docs and continued to deteriorate....she researched herself and went paleo...from wheelchair bound to 18 mile bike rides. http://sowachiropractic.com/eat-for-your-health-video/ (http://sowachiropractic.com/eat-for-your-health-video/)
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Great video Bob. Seems like Primal is becoming more mainstream in the medical community from those that think outside the box. Its amazing to think how this woman transformed her life on diet alone. I'd be curious to see how this works out for your colleague so keep us informed.
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I really need to do a better job of it myself. I just can't quite seem to get fully primal. I've committed maybe at 70% of the level of STC. I haven't seen 70% of the results though so I agree with him that it seems like its all in or you'll limit the effectiveness. At 70% I've probably seen less than 20% of the results. No problem avoiding most things but struggling to go all the way.
I need to kick myself in the ass a bit. It's not just about the weight loss. I'm hoping to knock down some of the inflammation in my neck. Having some issues with my left arm and even my friggin headaches may stem from it. I need to figure out a fix for both and maybe pure primal can help.
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That video was great, and I've forwarded it to my dad who is currently struggling with MS. Hopefully he can use some of the stuff in the video.
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Pretty convincing stuff.
and if all that isn't enough....I usually post stuff from Mandatory in the Random thread but this one seems appropriate here.
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/resize/550x600/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/04/11-heart-disease-burger-king-1365721486.jpg)
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OK... time for an update...
Sorry, these are so long... I just have a lot to say on this :P
I feel a responsibility to potential primates out there... and a driving desire to pay forward.
For first time viewers of this thread... my background:
Surfed non stop since 1964.... weight gain regardless of activity.
I have never been recreational about surf... I go every swell... year round.
In short... surfing did NOT keep me from gaining weight
It's ALL about what I put in my mouth
I followed conventional wisdom all my life...
LOW CAL-LOW FAT- Healthy grains --- yada yada yada
I suffered the traditional YO-YO.... loss followed by inevitable GAIN when the NECESSARY willpower caved under the weight of denial and unsatisfying food.
Strand Leper saved me from that endless treadmill with THIS thread about Primal :-* :-* :-*
I will endeavor to inspire all who wish to end the madness of dieting.
ME:
2008 ---- I peaked at 305 lbs... so NOT me I can't believe it :'(
Started SUP in July 2011 at 290lbs
Discovered the flat-water side of SUP after a hamstring pull while SUSing in Oct 2011
Flat-water got me in better shape... and down to 265 lbs
In January of 2012 I saw a PSH 10' 6 wide... and HAD to have it
I went LOW FAT - LOW CAL till May of 2012... got down to 232 lb - - bought a 9'6 Allwave :)
By June I was back to 245lbs... by Jan 2013... all the way up to 265lbs ...
can you say "YO-YO"?
Why? because I could surf the Allwave at that weight... so no incentive to eat dry, tasteless food.
On Jan 14, 2013... the "Primal" thread suddenly made sense to me....
Eat what our bodies were designed to process after millions of years of evolution.
Agriculture (ALL grain... rice... tofu... whole grains.... potato) was added to our diet only 10,000 years ago... a mere blink of an evolutionary eye... NOT long enough for our bodies to adapt to process so much grain.
and certainly... all the processed foods of the past 100 years are slow poison to our system.
I went "Primal" on January 14 ---- 265 lbs
May 19 ---- 210 lbs
This is NOT a diet to me... it is my lifestyle... every day... all day
I am extremely satisfied with the food I eat and want for nothing.
I eat lots of yummy calories everyday...
I kept track for a month because people would just dismiss me...
"oh... your just doing LO-CAL and exercising more"
Reality:
I NEVER think about calories... just nutritional content and taste
My average daily calories are between 1,500 - 3,500 (last year diet= 1,500 cal MAX)
My very complete records show MUCH more exercise LAST YEAR... (better weather)
I am 65 years old... losing this much weight scared me... I really didn't want to be a "Saggy old man"... I have lost close to 100 lbs since my peak... that's a LOT of skin to shrink... and at my age, I had concerns.
I researched what made skin elastic and healthy...
answer?
ALL the stuff I eat in my every day "Primal" living ;D ;D ;D
Today... I took my shirt off for a picture... pretty scary stuff (shirts hide a lot)
Conclusion? Primal is taking very good care of me :)
I am getting to where I want to be.. it will come... I have zero doubt of that.
I made "Ice cream" yesterday...
Frozen Blueberries, fresh strawberries, walnuts, almond butter , a few ice cubes and a little coconut milk.... good stuff. (next time I will add a little raw honey)
I'll include some updated pictures
1- A picture of my progress since Jan 14, 2013... 4 months of "Primal Creek" evolution
2- A picture of my most excellent breakfast today.
3 ----> Daily "Food and Activity" records for you to get a feel for what I eat and do on a daily basis....
Please relate YOUR experiences, successes, questions, doubts, fears... here. I think this is a GREAT match for the SUP lifestyle
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I've read The Primal Blueprint after seeing this thread and have checked out Mark's website, so here is my question for today. How are you guys working to add the rest and life balance that he talks about so much on the site? My last job sucked everything out of me, and now I'm looking again and fear that I'll end up back in another situation like that. I'm doing my best to avoid that situation, but I'm starting to wonder if I'll have tio take what I can get. For me, the food part of Primal living is the easy part, it's the other stuff that could present a challenge.
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Here's a post about the downside of going primal...
I started in January at 237. I'd been 235-245 for a few years.
I'm down to 212 as of the last weigh in. I have about a 1/4 mile to the beach to surf. When I weighed 240ish I had love handles that would cushion the board. Now they're gone and the board grinds against my hip. Maybe I'll have to put my board on Primal... See how bad it is :) I've also had to buy new clothes and may need some new wetsuits for next winter. It's costing me money, hurting my hip, and I might have to get a new board because of it.
Seriously though, I don't have huge hunger pains and I don't miss a lot of food. If I go 2 days without a Big Ass Salad, I'll start to crave it.
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It does get expensive. ;D
I've gone from a 42 to a 32 waist since last September. The only thing I haven't had to buy was new socks. ;)
Thanks again, like many this thread is what got me into this.
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I went from 218 to 196 from SUP. I went primal last November and just started working a physical type job about a month and a half ago and dropped 10 lbs. really quick. I took out all my nice summer cloths and thing are falling off of me. I'm trying to build up my quiver of new cloths but it gets expensive. I don't go by a TJ Maxx or Marshalls without stopping in. Last summer I was a 34 waist, now at 33 or 32 depending on the manufacturer.The positive side is that I'm getting ripped :)
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bbqSUPer and Mr 8
You guys have had amazing results.
Mr. 8 ... we have to get together soon.
bbq... 42" down to 32" is frickin' awesome.... 32 is tiny!
I love hearing the numbers... but I wish you guys would post pictures as well.
My initial interest in this thread was prodded by SEA's progress pictures.
Where I find NO pleasure in posting my "Before" pictures... I do so to inspire and motivate people that may feel that it can not happen for them.
I am just like them... and I believe pictures help people understand that.
Don't make me the only embarrassing picture poster... jump in... help me out here ;D
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Rail 2 rail...
You have asked a very honest and personal question….the kind that endless books are written about…. many philosophies are centered around.
I see no one wants to jump in .... It's the kind of question that has a lot of different and personal answers.
I have not read about that balance on “Mark’s Daily Apple”
but.... since you asked… I will give you my thoughts on it.
I have found truth in this motto:
“Live Simple…. Live Well”
Your Avatar looks like you embrace simple pleasures.
Life can be approached much the same way as “primal” food:
- Simpler is better
- Embrace and savor the fat
- Avoid the processed stuff
- Take the bounty that exists and enjoy it… don't complicate it
Seek what you really want from life… let the rest go.
Never let a job own you. You are more valuable than that.
I have always told my daughters
“You can walk away from anything… and you will be just fine… trust yourself”
A few quotes from more notable people on the subject:
"
The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it. " ~Henry David Thoreau
“He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature.” Socrates
“The greatest wealth is to live with little” Plato (being Socrates best student… it seems like plagiarism to me)
From the book:
THE TOP FIVE REGRETS OF THE DYING
By Bronnie Ware
#2. I wish I didn’t work so hard.
This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children’s youth and their partner’s companionship. Women also spoke of this regret. But as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence.
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i hate to be kind of a bummer, but you only have to take one look at StC to know that he's seriously got the genetics for what he's accomplished. no doubt it took a lot of hard work but his body, and his body type, is predisposed to what he's made of himself. can you imagine him back in the day when he was surfing pipeline? the dude's got muscle, and muscle burns fat; all he had to do (well, not all) is turn primal to turn his natural fat-burning capabilities back on and bingo, bango, look at him now, with more muscle on him to boot. now that's lagniappe!
then there are those on far other end of the spectrum, like me, genetically given to hardly any muscle whatsoever, with traditional working out leading to no additional muscle but several now-r-gonna-last-forever injuries. SUP hasn't enabled me to get any stronger, either -- I'm one of the very few who have seen no strength gains -- but from a psychologically-positive point of view, it can't be beat.
Also, and pretty obviously, the older I get, the more prone I am to the skinny-fat syndrome. At one point, I weighed 190. Thanks to low-carb and primal, I'm now 165, with probably another 15 - 20 lbs of fat on me. But, because there's no real underlying muscle, I don't want to lose that fat, for fear of looking more skeletal than I already do.
So, I will continue to eat the way I do, lots of chicken, tons of vegetables, some great 95% pure chocolate, and green protein shakes galore, and SUP all I can. It may not change me like its changed StC, but that's what bell curves are for, to have one on one side and another on the other side, with all the rest of you somewhere in between.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Ahhhh... lagniappe...
Linter...your real strength is showing ;)
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Creek, My avatar isn't me, it's Rob Machado, but you're right, I love the simple things. In my opinion, a perfect day is a nice surf (doesn't matter the wave size), followed by some time with family/friends and some guitar around a fire. It sounds like you just have to know what you need and go for it. Which I suppose I already know, just am having a bit of difficulty making the jump. It's hard to go from what has been drilled into you your whole life to what is unfamiliar (even if it's right.). Thanks for the input and keep it up.
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I'm not ashamed to say i had to look up "lagniappe" and this from someone who has http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/ (http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/) bookmarked. Well played.
Creek,
You have another convert. My wife started last week and is down 5 lbs. in week 1. I, by default, am somewhere between primal and omnivorous, with a concerted effort to go slowly into the effort establishing a goal of 2 lbs every month for the next year and 1 pound per month for 2 years after. You look fabulous in your new icon.
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Rail 2 rail...
You have asked a very honest and personal question….the kind that endless books are written about…. many philosophies are centered around.
I see no one wants to jump in .... It's the kind of question that has a lot of different and personal answers.
I have not read about that balance on “Mark’s Daily Apple”
but.... since you asked… I will give you my thoughts on it.
I have found truth in this motto:
“Live Simple…. Live Well”
Your Avatar looks like you embrace simple pleasures.
Life can be approached much the same way as “primal” food:
- Simpler is better
- Embrace and savor the fat
- Avoid the processed stuff
- Take the bounty that exists and enjoy it… don't complicate it
Seek what you really want from life… let the rest go.
Never let a job own you. You are more valuable than that.
I have always told my daughters
“You can walk away from anything… and you will be just fine… trust yourself”
A few quotes from more notable people on the subject:
"
The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it. " ~Henry David Thoreau
“He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature.” Socrates
“The greatest wealth is to live with little” Plato (being Socrates best student… it seems like plagiarism to me)
From the book:
THE TOP FIVE REGRETS OF THE DYING
By Bronnie Ware
#2. I wish I didn’t work so hard.
This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children’s youth and their partner’s companionship. Women also spoke of this regret. But as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence.
This reminds me of an AT&T repairman I spoke with when he came to fix the phone line recently. The first tech wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so this next guy had to be dispatched. It was a Sunday and he told me this was his 18th day in a row of working at least 10 plus hours each day.
I try to remind myself of this whenever it's a crowded weekend.
BTW, my nephew is also having amazing results with primal and it's inspiring.
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Creek- great quotes, especially this one:
The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it. " ~Henry David Thoreau
Look at some of those 5 MILLION dollar oceanfront houses in Chatham that are owned by hedgefunders in New York. They spend 1 or 2 weeks max a year in them and the rest of the year they lie dormant. I realize that humans are wired differently, but I doubt Mr. hedgefunder wakes up and checks the surf report for Nauset, or decides to take a nice long paddle for the afternoon in Pleasant Bay. Its much more important to entertain guests of similar social stature and show off these monuments to wealth.
I grew up in humble circumstances so I spent most of my twenties as a gypsy exploring the places that I never had a chance to see., never staying in the same apartment or place for more than a year. My thirties were spent doing what I was "supposed" to do. Marriage, child , bought a fixer upper house that I slaved over every weekend and had a corporate type job with Home Depot. I was miserable and needed an outlet for my adventurous side.
One day, I was going by Plymouth airport and saw a sign for flying lessons. Bingo! The gentleman at the place said that flying is one of the greatest individual pursuits that one could attain. I signed up. I got a second job to makes an extra $ 125 a week to pay for my flying lessons and I had seventeen hours in my logbbook and just started to do take- offs and landings. I knew we were doomed when the wife said that I should be putting this extra money into our house instead of me taking flying lessons.
After my divorce I went out and bought a windsurfer and took lessons, which eventually led to SUP. I don't even care if I own another house again. I rent a huge room in a nice house and have all my crap in a storage bin. I'm living life simply and enjoying a healthy active lifestyle. I don't feel the pressure that I did before and I'm comfortable with what I've accomplished and who I am. Its a great place to be.
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Ugh - took a little step back with the doc today. My LDL went from 90 to 180 over a year. Otherwise my health is very good he said (bp 120 over 70, HDL 50 to 73). Been doing primal for 3 months now and given that all the other factors look good he thinks it might be diet. Maybe too much animal protein so I'm going to back down a bit, cut back on dairy (although it's not that much - a little feta cheese with breakfast and cottage cheese a few times a week). I looked back over my numbers and I'm averaging 180-200 g of protein daily (same for fat) so cutting back won't hurt too much...
Anyone know if any natural supplements will help?
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Niacin will knock down your bad cholesterol (LDL) and raise your good (HDL) and also knock down your triglycerides. I take the flush kind - originally, the non-flush niacin caused liver problems - I decided, why take the risk so take the flush kind. I don't mind the flush but if you do just take the niacin with food....if you still get it,
drink a glass of water. To me, the flush feels a bit like a massage so I don't mind it, if I get it.
Also, the latest on cholesterol is that the total number isn't that important, more
important is the ratio...and having the good cholesterol (HDL) be higher -- and
yours is. Also, once over 60 years old, the more cholesterol the better.
Definitely don't take a statin.
Also, your diet has an impact on the numbers.
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My understanding is that a normal cholesterol test is pretty meaningless. This is why over 50% of heart attack patients have normal lipid panels. I read about a doctor that had an excellent cholesterol panel with LDL in the 70's and died from a heart attack. That test doesn't measure the "number" and size of particles and for a clearer picture a VAP test is indicated.
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Been doing a bit of research on this because I don't like the high number but I'm definitely against going on cholesterol meds. I was on both cholesterol and bp meds 10 years ago because I was morbidly obese and didn't exercise at all unless you count repeated reps of lifting chicken wings and spoon after spoon of ice cream. After losing over a 100 lbs I was able to get off the meds. The latest bloodwork was surprising to say the least because the weight is still off and I'm fitter at 40 than I was in my 20s and 30s...
Anyway, it turns out that there's research out there that points to all LDL not being the same; basically there's large fluffy LDL that is considered relatively benign but the smaller more dense LDL is nasty because it is can "slip through the cells that line the walls of the arteries". (see http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/reports/heart_health/1886-1.html?zkPrintable=true (http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/reports/heart_health/1886-1.html?zkPrintable=true)). The same article says that triglyceride levels above 120 mg/dL and HDL levels below normal (<40 mg/dL men or 50 mg/dL women) are usually associated with the small dense LDL. My trigs were 52 mg/dL (above normal of 40) and HDL was 73 (below 120) so this points to the large LDL (a good thing).
Another good (but much lengthier) article: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/10/making-sense-of-your-cholesterol-numbers.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/10/making-sense-of-your-cholesterol-numbers.aspx)
Of course I'm not a doctor nor even a self-professed expert so I'm gonna run all this past the doc and see what he says... I'm lucky to have a open-minded practicioner.
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I don't know if it will do anything to reduce Cholesterol, but Chia Seeds are a natural blood pressure reducer, are a complete plant protein and a good low carbohydrate source of fiber (5 grams of Carbs of which all 5 grams are fiber). Also helps keep the pipes clean in a very controlled and predictable way. The only negative side effect I have heard is that people with low blood pressure shouldn't eat them because it can lower their blood pressure too much.
If you soak them in water before using them they become a semi gel...great to add to your protein shake with ice to give a ice milk consistency with no down side. We are only talking a table spoon or two a day of seed.
Nutrient Facts: Chia Seed
Serving Size: 1 Tbsp (13g)
Servings Per Container: 34.00
Amount Per Serving % Daily
Value
Calories 60.00
Calories from Fat 40.00
Total Fat 4.50 g7 %
Saturated Fat 0.50 g3 %
Trans Fat 0 g 0 %
Cholesterol 0.00 mg 0 %
Sodium 0.00 mg 0 %
Potassium 10.00 mg 0 %
Total Carbohydrate 5.00 g 2 %
Dietary Fiber 5.00 g 20 %
Sugars 0.00 g N/A
Protein 3.00 g 6 %
Phosphorus 12.00 mg 1 %
Vitamin A 0.00 %
Vitamin C 0.00 %
Calcium 6.00 %
Iron 4.00 %
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My daughter mixed chia seeds with almond milk and sliced strawberries, put it all into a bowl, and after a couple hours in the refrigerator had thick pudding that tasted great.
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It's that where chia pets come from? ;-)
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It's that where chia pets come from? ;-)
Yes, that's why you have to be sure to kill the seeds before you eat them!
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It's that where chia pets come from? ;-)
Yes, that's why you have to be sure to kill the seeds before you eat them!
I guess if you don't you get green hair growing out of all sorts of undesirable places?
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I guess if you don't you get green hair growing out of all sorts of undesirable places?
Like I don't already! ;D
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My daughter mixed chia seeds with almond milk and sliced strawberries, put it all into a bowl, and after a couple hours in the refrigerator had thick pudding that tasted great.
Chiadding.
Mix with chocolate almond milk, and you get chocolate chiadding (at least that is what its called at my house...my six year old came up with the name, and she thinks she is too cool).
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This is about dogs and Primal.
We have a Shih Tzu that has always had allergies, ear infections and licked his feet so much as to almost make them bleed. Allergy pills and special shampoo that we used to wash is feet frequently, ear cleaning etc., only worked some.
Then last Sat. we talked with a lady that feeds her dog Primal. We went home and did some research. We chose not to go full Dog Primal. But, we did decide to go with some home cooking and prepared dog food that was Primal ingredient based.
We started with Sun. dinner, mixing some new with some old.
He has almost completely stopped licking. And he doesn't appear to be always hungry.
Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and stories. Without that base, listening to one lady wouldn't have made us consider changing his diet.
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My primal eyes see things differently now.
Every trip to the supermarket seems like a petri dish of bad food results.
It starts in the parking lot with middle age people (40-60) struggling to get out of their car and take the first few wobbly steps.
Inside, the isles are clogged with people leaning on the cart with their elbows and shuffling along bent over behind their "walker"
I walk behind people and see how poorly their joints work as they waddle along.
It's so sad.
All I can think is "Grains and food additives are destroying the human body"
quandary - Without the grain... the world would starve
maybe the answer is:
If you eat lots of crap - you have to exercise more to moderate the bad effects.
I hope I'm not becoming a "Yogi - Veggie" that I always laughed at :-\
At any rate... I'm glad I jumped off that treadmill. Thanks Primal :-*
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I feel you man. I often think the same thing when I go to the grocery store.
I'm a middle school teacher and I've noticed such a negative impact on our children. The norm is a kid with a gut. Even the girls.
I live in a college town also. I know I'm getting old, but lets just say, the scenery isn't what it used to be. ;D
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You think the grocery store is bad? Visit Disneyland...you'll want to gouge your eyes out.
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I notice things like this myself. Last week there was a huge guy probably in his fifties, stuffing a pizza down his throat in the checkout line instead of waiting until he got outside. It must have been that carbohydrate sugar crash when you have to have it now.
I have found that the size of people generally corresponds to the amount of junk and processed foods they purchase at the checkout line. My view is very unscientific, yet accurate.
When I was in high school, there was maybe one or two "fat girls" (come on , you were sixteen once). Now, larger sizes seem to be the norm.
I'm no fan of the Obama's but at least the first lady has taken on obesity as her cause. However, she directs most of her effort at telling our youth to eat fresh healthy food. The real problem lies with the FDA approved crap that goes into our food. Former FDA employees are offered big salaries by big agribusiness to lobby for them. The salvos in this war should be redirected at the FDA , the agency that determines what is "healthy" for us to eat.
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Here is an interesting article that appeared in Scientific American that doesn't agree with the characterization of the Primal/Paleo man/diet used by those who are proponents (or stakeholders) of the diet.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat)
In the comments section, it appears some of those stakeholders jumped into comment to debunk the debunker. Nothing like a good healthy debate.
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Gee... they must be right... I guess I'll have to gain back all those easily lost lbs... ;D
I don't really get the rush to "debunk" the Paleo lifestyle
de·bunk (d-bngk)
To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of:
Lots of people like to attack Paleo as a money making hoax... but never come up with any real criticism of the diet as unhealthy. The worst they say is that it leaves out necessary "Healthy " grains.... as well as good sources of protein, calcium and fiber.
I get plenty of plenty of protein from chicken, turkey, fish, red meat, eggs, squash, seeds & nuts
I get plenty of healthy fiber from avocado, rasberries, chia seeds, broccoli, squash
I get plenty of calcium from salmon, kale, broccoli, almond butter, celery seed
What they are totally missing is that Paleo's are very concerned with food "source"... we care what we put in our bodies, so we research and learn. We find sources for our nutritional needs. We educate ourselves and are excited about our "diet"
When do you hear other "Dieters" that are excited about their "diet" after a few months?
If the "debunkers" would take the time to read the testimonials on "Mark's Daily Apple" they may rethink their odd need to "expose" the theory as fraudulent. If it works for me, and I am happy with it, what's the point of attacking my choice?
and... as far as being a money making scheme... I have never given one cent to Mark Sisson (Daily Apple) but I have gotten a ton of free info from his site, with lots of help, tips and support.
Like most overweight (former) people, I have tried every "diet" in the past 40 years. They all suck, I hate the willpower they take, and I gain all the lost weight as soon as I falter. I never felt happy or satisfied on previous "diets"
Living paleo is easy, satisfying and my permanent lifestyle. I have lost 22% of my body weight since mid January.
Debunking Paleo is like saying "SUP's aren't any fun, they won't last" ;D ;D ;D
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My daughter just made the perfect grab and goes for a paleo breakfast.
Brown some ground turkey, mix with veggies (she used tomato, spinach, onions, and fresh basil) wipe the inside of a muffin pan with some olive oil, put mix loosely into pan, pour egg whites over the mix, bake for 20 mins. She made a couple dozen and put them in the fridge. They look like mini-quiches but are thick with veggies and turkey and taste awesome, even cold out of the fridge they are good.
A couple/few of them with a handful uf strawberries and a banana make a good and filling breakfast.
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Mr Sisson makes a ton of money off his site. He rolls up to the local breakfast joint in his Maserati wearing $500 primal Tod's loafers. He is not doing too bad.
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I am so glad that Mark is able to live the good life... kudo's to him!
He has changed many lives for the better. I wish everyone could have such a positive effect on people's happiness and well being.
I reaped the benefit of his knowledge that was passed on because of this thread. I never really looked too deep in his site... just lurked around the edges a few times, read a few amazing testimonials. I found the concept simple and easy to grasp... not much to learn... just stay inside the theory. I did join his Email list, so I get constant flow of good info.
Stony... I have to make those one of these days... sounds great!
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Mark makes his dough off selling supplements to his followers and getting people to pay to talk to a primal expert. He's got some sort of bullchit rationalization why you need his supplements even though Grok did need no stinking supplements but you do.
Anywho, that's neither here nor there.
For those of you who have been missing your sandwiches, here's the cure. Good old Paleo Bread. My wife loves this stuff, me not so much. A little too rubbery for me. Basically an almond or coconut flour base, but no carbs. Bit expensive. About $8 a loaf here in the raw foodie capital of Santa Monica. I'll stick to bare handing my turkey and burgers caveman style.
(http://www.lindasdietdelites.com/images/products/JulianBakery_PaleoAlmond_small.jpg)
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I love this bread with Almond butter and some honey. Anything else on it just plain sucks.
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Almond Butter Honey. My 3 year old's favorite words.
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BUMP
I had warmed Goya jack mackerel from the can, scrambled eggs, and chopped collard greens for breakfast today.
I think fish in the can, such as mackerel,sardines, and herring, if done well , is a quick and inexpensive paleo protein source. While Grok may have had to fish for it, I simply open a can. My body weight has leveled out in the low 180's this summer and its very easy to maintain this ideal weight with the paleo lifestyle.
I started paddling hard in the last month for the CCBC and in the last two weeks I have had a noticeble increase in strenghth and stamina that came quicker than last year, pre- paleo.
Now my question- 12 hours and 34 miles. Can anybody suggest a good paleo loading/fueling for the CCBC? The floating fruit stand is a given. I was thinking straight coconut water for my camelback and water after that is gone for hydration. Any thoughts for the night before and during the event for fueling up?
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Heaps of pasta...
oh wait.... that's for marathon runners.... nevermind. ;)
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Maybe I'll open a very expensive "Primal Cafe" on one of the support boats.
Bring some Benjamen's :D
Here's a handy looking idea... keeps your hands free for paddling.
Todd....I'll come up with some ideas... let me think on it.
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I had warmed Goya jack mackerel from the can, scrambled eggs, and chopped collard greens for breakfast today.
I think fish in the can, such as mackerel,sardines, and herring, if done well , is a quick and inexpensive paleo protein source. While Grok may have had to fish for it, I simply open a can. My body weight has leveled out in the low 180's this summer and its very easy to maintain this ideal weight with the paleo lifestyle.
I started paddling hard in the last month for the CCBC and in the last two weeks I have had a noticeble increase in strenghth and stamina that came quicker than last year, pre- paleo.
Now my question- 12 hours and 34 miles. Can anybody suggest a good paleo loading/fueling for the CCBC? The floating fruit stand is a given. I was thinking straight coconut water for my camelback and water after that is gone for hydration. Any thoughts for the night before and during the event for fueling up?
The traditional loading is two bottles of red wine per person, several cigars, and a little spaghetti. Worked for me, we were halfway there before I got sober and got the taste of cigars out of my mouth. Didn't work so well for Brownie. As I recall he chummed a bit, and spewed on someone's foot at the meetup on the morning.
Maybe you don't want to do that. I could live on coconut water.
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I still can't believe we did that. The fog in my head and the fog on the water both lifted about the same time....damn good thing we had trained so hard.
I have a colleague at work that is a very serious runner (marathoner). He also has rheumatoid arthritis bad. He was on heavy RA meds and prone to infection because of them (hospitalized twice in the last year on IV drips). Even with the meds he was having problems with the RA...to the point that he couldn't run....he was going crazy. I've been talking paleo some with him and he took a look. Decided to give it a shot...he's gone hard core, suppliments and all. In the last 4 months he's stopped taking the RA meds, controlling the pain with ibuprofen only, he's lost 10 lbs (he was already fit) and he's back to running 5-10 miles/day.
I shared his success with my sister Diane who also has RA (runs in the family) and has had multiple back operations. I hope she gives it a go. She is almost crippled with RA.
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I love coconut water, especially with some crushed ice, freshly squeezed lime, and some good rum, with a cigar to top it off. Doesn't get much better then that.
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Primal day 1......87kgs.....wish me luck lol
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YOU GO KSG !!!! Keep it real and look on this thread for a lot of answers !! got any questions shoot um here!
If you have not read Rob Wolfs "Paleo Diet Solutions" I would suggest very strongly you read it and you will come out with a very good Idea why and how this works. With a good solid base of knowledge you will set yourself up for success.
Good luck and enjoy the ride !!!
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Nice Kiwi... good luck!
Primal & SUP.... doesn't get much better than that.
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Week one down, pretty easy really...not much excercise this week. but still chipped off 2.5 kgs...
Trip to Aussie this week for a mates 40th...might be a struggle...
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Great interview with evolutionary biologist Daniel Lieberman on NPR.com. Discusses paleo...
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What did he say about Paleo ?
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Skate started a thread having to do with problems related to Gluten. I moved my reply here.
Skate... you may want to consider adopting the "Paleo" lifestyle to help your wife with her "gluten free" future. Primal is gluten free... and so much more.
I figure its time to "Bump" the Primal thread back up.
It made an incredible difference in my life, and now my daughters lives. I can't say enough good things about it.
Any new Zoners might want to take a look back.
I figure just about every human has some form of gluten intolerance. Gluten comes from grain. Grains have only been harvested for food for the last 10,000 years.... a mere blink of an evolutionary eye. Not enough time to rewire the way our bodies use and process food.
So many stories these days about problems with gluten.
Every living thing... plant, animal, fish, human... evolved over millions of years to thrive on the food it had available.
Desert plants prefer very poor sandy, gravelly soil... they would NOT survive in the dense, moist, nutrient rich soil of a North West Forest.
Why?.... because their systems were designed for specific conditions. What is good for one, may kill another.
The basis of the "Paleo lifestyle" or "Primal Lifestyle" is simply eating foods that our bodies had available during our evolutionary beginnings.
Not available during the millions of years of human evolution:
Grains
Processed food
Pesticides
GMO's
Our bodies are simply amazing.... you could live off food in a dumpster.... maybe not well, but our bodies survive on just about anything. Pretty cool.
BUT... the more we confuse our system, by ingesting food that our system wasn't designed to recognize, the more problems we have:
Heart disease
Arthritis
Alzheimer's
ADD
Depression......
whatever.... it is becoming more and more evident that the uptick in these problems can be directly linked to the modern "diet" that is heavily dependent on "Healthy grains", processed food, GMO's, preservatives and pesticides.
Paleo is centered around clean, naturally grown food source. Foods that have existed in the wild throughout the human evolutionary time period.
Beef, poultry, eggs, fish, vegetables, fruits, berries, nuts, gourds, coconuts....
Your body has difficulty recognizing and processing foods that it wasn't designed to handle.
When you remove these foods from your diet... your body begins to function at a much higher level.
Our incredible systems are freed up to do what they do best... to build, strengthen, heal, protect.... Thrive.
Paleo is simply feeding our body the stuff it knows how to use.
here is a good midpoint in the "Primal" thread... go back or forth from here to see good info... please add or ask...
and ... oh yeah.... losing weight is a nice side affect of the Paleo lifestyle. NOT diet. Lifestyle.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,10306.msg203526/topicseen.html#msg203526
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Skate started a thread having to do with problems related to Gluten. I moved my reply here.
Skate... you may want to consider adopting the "Paleo" lifestyle to help your wife with her "gluten free" future. Primal is gluten free... and so much more.
I figure its time to "Bump" the Primal thread back up.
It made an incredible difference in my life, and now my daughters lives. I can't say enough good things about it.
Any new Zoners might want to take a look back.
I figure just about every human has some form of gluten intolerance. Gluten comes from grain. Grains have only been harvested for food for the last 10,000 years.... a mere blink of an evolutionary eye. Not enough time to rewire the way our bodies use and process food.
So many stories these days about problems with gluten.
Every living thing... plant, animal, fish, human... evolved over millions of years to thrive on the food it had available.
Desert plants prefer very poor sandy, gravelly soil... they would NOT survive in the dense, moist, nutrient rich soil of a North West Forest.
Why?.... because their systems were designed for specific conditions. What is good for one, may kill another.
The basis of the "Paleo lifestyle" or "Primal Lifestyle" is simply eating foods that our bodies had available during our evolutionary beginnings.
Not available during the millions of years of human evolution:
Grains
Processed food
Pesticides
GMO's
Our bodies are simply amazing.... you could live off food in a dumpster.... maybe not well, but our bodies survive on just about anything. Pretty cool.
BUT... the more we confuse our system, by ingesting food that our system wasn't designed to recognize, the more problems we have:
Heart disease
Arthritis
Alzheimer's
ADD
Depression......
whatever.... it is becoming more and more evident that the uptick in these problems can be directly linked to the modern "diet" that is heavily dependent on "Healthy grains", processed food, GMO's, preservatives and pesticides.
Paleo is centered around clean, naturally grown food source. Foods that have existed in the wild throughout the human evolutionary time period.
Beef, poultry, eggs, fish, vegetables, fruits, berries, nuts, gourds, coconuts....
Your body has difficulty recognizing and processing foods that it wasn't designed to handle.
When you remove these foods from your diet... your body begins to function at a much higher level.
Our incredible systems are freed up to do what they do best... to build, strengthen, heal, protect.... Thrive.
Paleo is simply feeding our body the stuff it knows how to use.
here is a good midpoint in the "Primal" thread... go back or forth from here to see good info... please add or ask...
and ... oh yeah.... losing weight is a nice side affect of the Paleo lifestyle. NOT diet. Lifestyle.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,10306.msg203526/topicseen.html#msg203526
You are right it is a lifestyle not a diet. We have been on paleo for 6 moths now. It has been great. even my 4 year old is kind of on it. But it has helped my wife out and I feel great that i have been on it. And I have lost 30 lbs doing paleo.
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Creek, tell us more about your daughter's move to Paleo. Have they done it b/c you've hounded them, or just b/c they've seen how it's affected you?
I have no problem w/ the link b/w processed carbs/processed sugar and modern 1st-world disease.
I have no problems w/ people truly affected w/ Celiac's disease -- both my grandmother and uncle had it, looooooong before it was the cool thing to do....
I think the modern "GF" fad is just another fad du jour -- ppl w/ no Celiac symptoms.. just enjoying a nice placebo effect.
Modern humans have been on this planet for 200,000 years....not quite millions of years.
A diet of white flour and white sugar -- probably not good. A bit of bread as part of your diet? I'm not too concerned about it.
Jimmy Kimmel had a "man on the street" bit awhile ago. They stopped 'fitness' types and asked them "are you gluten-free? Most say 'yes' -- or at least "I'm trying to". Then simply ask them, "what is gluten"? NOBODY could give an answer. ::) ::)
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I'll bump as well. This thread changed my life two years ago. Over that time I have lost 80 lbs. Although I'm up ten pounds from that, it is mostly because of the muscle I have gained. I started the Lifestyle about a month after I got in to paddling. I started on the river but who would have thought I would be surfing my first hurricane last week!
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Spook... my daughters and my ex-wife just decided that it seemed to make sense. I suppose it was hard to dismiss what it was doing for me.
I took a very soft approach... I was wicked excited about how I was doing, but never made more than casual suggestions to my daughters. I know how much crap I listened to over the years about diet, exercise, yada yada. I knew they were old enough to chose their own path. I am SO excited they chose Paleo. It has had even more dramatic affect on them. My oldest daughter was on a path of terrible, terrible food choices. Even worse than me. Thank God she did an about face while she is young. My younger daughter was much more sensible than either of us, but she has also seen dramatic changes in every aspect of their lives.
They are 100% primal ALL the time.... I mean 100%... my 23 year old, makes her own Primal wafers to take to church so she can partake in communion. They all bake together, come up with great recipes, search for the cleanest, most natural products. They make lots of yummy snacks and things... who knows... maybe they will make a "Primal cookbook"
I just texted my daughter for permission to use a before & after picture. My 23 year old instantly texted back YES!!!! She is a Zoner, by the way ;D
Her pictures are from February 2014 to last week
I'll put up another before & after of me as well. My pics were from Pre Primal Day --- January 14, 2013 to October 2, 2013
This winter, as food got more and more expensive, I have found it hard to buy only clean, organic food. I have to eat regular vegetables and can't afford grass fed beef etc.... as a result... eating basically the same diet... but more USDA grown stuff, I have gained 12 lbs. I am trying to work out meal plans that are back to 100% organic so I can continue to feel the great benifits of a "Paleo" lifestyle.... but to me... the fact that eating the same... but NOT free of pesticides, GMO's, antibiotics and preservatives, and I gained weight.
My daughter just sent me some shots from Kodiak, Alaska where they are on a 10 day mission with their church. They are building some structures for a community up there. The pictures look like a "Primal Forest " for sure... I am posting some, because they seem to fit the conversation... and I like them;D
Also... about humans being limited to 200,000 years.... I am going on the premise that "humans" are the result of ongoing evolution, and that the system our bodies function on has been developing and evolving during all the years before "Humans" to make us what we are. (pic #5)
bbq... frickin' awesome!!! I love it.... so glad for you....any pictures? They are fun, and they inspire.
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So this is one of my favorite paleo meals.
it is called a taco scramble
1 pound ground beef (or turkey, pork, venison, bison, etc)
2 medium yellow onions
2 bell peppers (any color)
2 medium squash or zucchini
1 large hand-full of fresh spinach (2-3 ounces)
and this is my wires favorite one right now.
http://paleoleap.com/taco-pie/
I have been going threw different several different protein powders. I started off with muscle milk, then isopure. I am going to try gabby and lairds truition products next. has anyone used any of there stuff yet?
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So this is one of my favorite paleo meals.
it is called a taco scramble
1 pound ground beef (or turkey, pork, venison, bison, etc)
2 medium yellow onions
2 bell peppers (any color)
2 medium squash or zucchini
1 large hand-full of fresh spinach (2-3 ounces)
and this is my wires favorite one right now.
http://paleoleap.com/taco-pie/ (http://paleoleap.com/taco-pie/)
I have been going threw different several different protein powders. I started off with muscle milk, then isopure. I am going to try gabby and lairds truition products next. has anyone used any of there stuff yet?
If you take that first recipe, swap some mushrooms for the squash, and add a bunch more spinach, 8-12 eggs and some (ok probably not paleo) parmesan cheese and/or sour cream, you've got my favorite--Joe's Special.
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Basically, we'd had enough of being to much.
Wife and I both went paleo 3 weeks ago, and added in an hour plus of work out in the evenings. Sedentary lifestyle with carbs is a two headed beast that won't let you out unless you make a plan and go. We mix biking hills, stair climbing and push ups, and fast long walks in the days we're not surfing. Friday's are our semi cheat days, maintaining the diet but having a drink or two. Wife was in better endurance shape when we started but I can tell I'm starting to come around.
Started at near 260# and nearing day 21, I'm at 244# and mostly on the agressive track I've put myself on. She's down 10 lbs already, which is way ahead of schedule for a 6 month plan.
For me the hardest part and the one that all the momentum is found on the other side of was to decide that there are things I just don't eat.
Just wanted to thank Creek, Deb and Wardog, and the many others I've gathered info from to make this happen. I've had success with Adkins before, but this is more of a permanent change. Less sitting, carb removal to the degree practical, get a sweat going each day. It's working so far.
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Yeaaaah Slatch.... that is such great news ;D ;D ;D
I am so psyched for you folks!
Couple of bummers though....
Your gonna have to get smaller boards and save extra $$$ for a longer retirement ;D
Atkin's is a weight loss program... Paleo is a lifestyle. Primal living is one where you are more concerned about food source... you want to find foods that DO something for you... like spinach instead of iceburg.
Grass fed instead of Grain fattened, pumped with antibiotics and hormones.
oh yeah.... you're gonna need new clothes.
PM me with any questions or cool stories
I don't feel like I have given up anything... except being fat.
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I'm a guy who has been lurking on this site for 4 or 5 years. I mainly look at videos(surfcook and supthacreek are two of my fav's). I noticed creek posted on this primal thread, so I checked it out. I stayed up all night and read every post....blown away!
Even though I didn't think it was possible, I got back into surfing 2 yrs ago with a Joe Blair sup(miracles do happen!).
3 weeks ago, at 45 yrs old, 6' tall, 433 lbs with gout, high blood pressure and high cholesterol, I knew I had to do something. I drank only water, and ate only vegetables, chicken,fish, and beef. After losing 17 lbs in 3 wks, I stumbled onto this thread.....thanks creek!....
With all of this inspiration and knowledge, I will move toward this primal lifestyle. Thanks to everyone, especially SEA and creek! I will let you know how Journey goes.
wideload
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Way to go wide. Seriously, it's a big step to retaking your health. The willingness to change does not come from rainbows and unicorns so I applaud you. Good luck on this journey.
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Good for you.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Go wideload...go!
Just be prepared to change your name in 6 months.
So stoked.... by the way...
This is not your usual "Diet"..... being 70% primal does very little. Being 100% primal is astounding how fast and easy it is.
Primal is a lifestyle that removes ALL the additives and grains from your food. It is the GMO's, pesticides, antibiotics and grains that confuse your body because it doesn't recognize them.
You don't see results from being "sorta primal" because the bad stuff is still going into your liver, kidneys and digestive track. It's like speaking Chinese to your kids and expecting them to do what you tell them.
Bite the bullet... pick stuff you like and stick with that till you find more goodies.
I saw such an effortless weight loss that it stoked my interest more every day
I started looking at food like this
"and what can you DO for me?"
I researched food, including my spices and found out some surprising stuff, like celery seed (salads) and Dill Weed (eggs & salads) are like super foods... who knew? Organic spices only.... one name ie: "Dill Weed" not "dill weed, preservatives, sugar, monosodium glutamate" ...yada yada
Almond butter instead of Peanut Butter (plain AB... no added sugar or salt)
Butternut squash instead of potatoes (use grass feb butter sparingly if you like)
Grass fed beef instead of low fat beef
Organic Chicken instead of Perdu
Walnuts and blueberries as snacks
In salads I let the ingredients make the dressing
Avocado's, Goat cheese, Kumatoes, blueberries, onions... when I chop it all up it makes a nice creamy dressing.
Limit sugars... even from fresh fruit.
Go big... get small ;D
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Thanks for the support guys. I have hit 395. I am now surfing 3 times a week. I seem to be stuck @ this weight for a week now.(no more drinking during football for me)
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Nice work wideguy....
drinking usually involves lots of sugar... followed by lots of snacks.... at least that's how it works with me.... all of a sudden, you're not primal anymore.
Primal works..... sugar... not so much.
Keep up the surfing... and add in some flat-water paddling... I found that had a better effect on my weight loss, plus I find I simply love the extra time on the water.
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i eat the creek diet, but dont call it primal--same shit tho--exception: i eat all nuts (incl peanuts), including tons of nut butters, all organic with zero additives--simply ground nuts---recent longevity studies show that those for whom nuts are a key source of protein live longer.
wideload--hang in there--if you feel risk of wavering, pm me or just about anyone here for a stoke renewal
best luck to you--you can do this--great that you have mixed sup'ing in--when a discipline makes a favorite activity go better, it's easier to stay with the discipline--you get tangible results--you get better at sup'ing
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I frickin' love nuts... I could live on them, if I could afford them. I love peanut butter, but stick to almond and cashew butter... except I can't afford them :D Now I want to run out and buy some. I'll have a few handfuls of walnuts instead ???
I added stuff to gain some weight and I did. And I kept eating it. And now I am 15 lbs over where I want to be. 15 ugly belly pounds. I have to get back to basics. Soon. Now :-\
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Yo creek !! just go hard core buddy , keep under fifty carbs per day and in a few weeks you'll be back below that fifteen you want to lose. This lifestyle is so cool :) if your surfing a lot and paddling little bit of sweet potato every once in a while will keep your energy level up.
My wife and I had a little boy 4 months ago and I have not gotten in the water or trained for at least 4 months but I am still 185 and holding for the last 3 years . I go down to 178 and up to 188 but basically at 185 and 32 waist. I am 53 years old and LOVING being a dad again , Paleo has allowed me to be up to the task of raising a little guy !! I have forgotten how much work it is but it is but SO COOL !!
I recently started eating 1 tablespoon of organic honey and one teaspoon of organic cinnamon in my protein shake in the AM , after 2 weeks my weight has not changed and my energy level is JACKED ... who woulda thunk ?? This is by far the best lifestyle I have come across and it becomes second nature quite quickly.
I applaude those who have made the leap like Creek. And all the others , wide load you are my hero for making the decision to change. My new motto is "live with intention and not habitually" that is the paleo lifestyle. In a year you'll be 250 and shredding those waves in two years you'll be feeling like a youngster again . Just enjoy the ride and don't beat yourself up to bad when you hiccup :). learn as much as you can about this way of life and start making a book of all the paleo recipes you like and what works for you this will be a huge foundation for you.
Just go back to basics like creek said and get back on the program. stay between 50 and a hundred grams of good carbs a day , stay away from too much fruit and make sure 60 percent of dietary intake is good fats .. coconut oil, avocados, some nuts ( not too much when trying to lose weight) and lots of grass fed beef and wild salmon :) don't forget the BIG ASS salads to fill you up and give you good carbs. Long paddles on flat water or the ocean and long walks on land. Body weight exercises and you'll be surprised how fast the weight goes down and energy goes UP.
PM me wide load if you need any advice or help. You can do this !! it's a piece of cake ... no pun intended.
Aloha boys
SEA
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Hey SEA... congratulations Dad!!!! Old fathers raise great kids ;D
Enjoy the heck out of your baby boy, you'll be SUPing with him soon.
I'm 66 and my youngest daughter just graduated high school, couldn't be happier with both my girls ;D ;D
Thanks for your support as always my friend....I posted an update on the "healthy in old age" thread a moment ago, so I won't double up here.
Babies first Christmas.... yaaaahoo!
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SEA and Creek--you guys are inspirations, and I've learned a lot from both of you. SEA, glad to see you back here and congratulations.
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Sea, good to see you back and congrats on the new kid!!! I went primal when I first joined the forum a long time ago under a different name, but stopped due to lack of support(or just not following it), but the wife started a fitness plan in august and we got back on it and are doing amazing. I haven't had much change in the scale, but way more muscle and definition, which is what I'm going after anyway. Dropped two pants sizes also. Love this plan and it works great with the surfing life.
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That is a loooooooong thread..... But I was inspired. Three weeks and 10 pounds. Tonight's primal was lichen-fed caribou stir fry with cauliflower "refried rice", mushrooms, broccoli and zucchini. The sauce is just honey, watered-down soy, rice-wine vinegar. Tasted great.
I flat water sup'd a couple miles this evening - 2nd trip this season - man I am out of shape :)
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Yeeeah deepmud.... diggin' deeep into Zone goodness ;)
SUP is a great motivator and vehicle for healthy changes.
I am getting a 29" 130 liter board delivered soon, so I am on stepped up program to get from the winter 234 down to 210 fast....
Started mid April and I am down to....hold please, gotta weigh myself.... HOLY CRAP! 218!!! yippee ky O ky A MF'r ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I Eat a big salad for lunch most days.
My challenge was that, like many Americans, I like my salads wet with dressing. My weakness was organic Mayonnaise (hey...it's ORGANIC!)
What has been the BIG change?
I figured out a workaround for the mayo issue:
I saute' half the salad in coconut oil for "wetness"
cooked part:
mushrooms, onions, chopped cabbage (healthy bulk)
option 1 - add diced chicken to saute'
Cold part:
Option 2- add canned solid white tuna (in water)
diced tomato, avocado, crumbled blue cheese (sparingly for creaminess) and walnut bits
mix em' all together for a very warm & creamy concoction that is half salad, have cooked yumminess.
Super filling and pretty much has worked amazingly....
I was stuck at 225 for a while, till last week, when I came up with this "mayo replacement"
I was 220 yesterday... blown away that I am a 218 today... I AM going to reach my goal.
A new small SUP is a wonderful motivator.
What one?
Sunova SPEEED - 8'10 x 29 1/8 at 130 liters
I have never been on a 29" wide surf SUP before, so I want to give it my best shot ;D
Super stoked!
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Creek. That's an awesome share! When I'm paddling a lot and in good shape on the best board I have in great conditions, I feel half my age. That's the thing about SUP. You don't just feel like this on the board, the feeling lasts long after you get off the board... but without the board we'd not get there.. It's really an incredible motivator... Get in shape, lose some weight, SUP and feel like your in your prime again... And this can happen in weeks if you want it to.
When I look at PB and Headmount competing in the Olukai beating a raft of people 1/2 their age, it says something not just about these two amazing people, but a lot about this sport.
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Creek - your story, you journey, in this thread took me from total skeptic to at least starting an "80/20" Paleo.
To be clear, living in Alaska presents some limitations - I've only seen ground grass-fed beef on the shelves, at nearly $9.00 a pound - but I have about few shelves in my freezer full of VERY lean, very clean ( processed it myself ) caribou from hunting last fall - so I'll have a blend of full-paleo with normal grain-fed/commercial beef and chicken, and veggies of whatever kind I can get - we have local farmers but it's a very short growing season (giant veg from 22 hr a day sunlight but limited supply).
Working with what I have at hand - primarily, cutting out the bread/crackers/chips/pasta - what remains is "whole foods" - homemade tomato sauces over spaghetti squash, homemade fritata for most my breakfasts (I can make a week's worth at a time) - and I'm not feeling starved - I'm enjoying my meals, I'm losing weight, I'm not tired (now that I'm finally over "the crud" ) and I'm just starting my sup season (lakes in circles :D ) - I hope to be below 250 or better this summer - I'm at 286 as of this morning. When I get below 275 it will be the lowest in more than 7 years. I've been in the low 300's just a couple years ago :( and fighting between 290 to 295 for the last couple years. I have my wife on the Paleo-ish as well. I hope the possible inflammation benefits will have an effect on her - she's had RAD (rhumatoid arthritus diesease ) the last 10 years - it's made excercise almost impossible and weight has steadily climbed - but she lost 10 poinds this last 3 weeks as well :D which is wonderful.
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Offshore.... funny how a new board will give you more incentive than being single ;D
SUP is my best motivator for sure.
dm.... so stoked to hear your story and success so far... keep at it, experiment with food.... the thing I noticed during my "Big Drop" was:
when you remove all processed food and grain from your eating..... your body does some amazing things.
Find workarounds for stuff you don't have.... I make my best discoveries when I am out of money, and have to figure out how to eat for 5 days with $28.
Without, pasta, potatoes or rice to fill you up cheaply, you get very creative ;D
Keep at it my friend... it WILL come!
yeah... but then you have to buy a smaller board ;D
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creek--you throw in info on a new board purchase like it's just another day!
wow--first look says it is a very cool board--how did you order? how is it shipping? expensive?
i bet the shape makes it feel less tippy than a typical 29"