I have a new 14x 29 Glide for downwinding with friends..
and a new vid with some new music from a couple of local Melbourne lads called The Teskey brothers.
https://vimeo.com/225785944
Nice times and nice music. How do you like that Glide?
Very nice.
So, what do you use for downwinding with strangers and enemies? ;)
The video shows the undoubted benefits of stability and planing area. It's so nice sometimes to be able to relax. Are you faster on average on this board or your 14x28 Maliko?
Lovely looking board. It looks to have changed in design from the original 14x29 Glide. How much does this Glide weigh? I notice you got help with carrying it at the end ;)
Quote from: Area 10 on July 17, 2017, 12:28:43 AM
Very nice.
So, what do you use for downwinding with strangers and enemies? ;)
The video shows the undoubted benefits of stability and planing area. It's so nice sometimes to be able to relax. Are you faster on average on this board or your 14x28 Maliko?
Lovely looking board. It looks to have changed in design from the original 14x29 Glide. How much does this Glide weigh? I notice you got help with carrying it at the end ;)
I have the new shape 2018 Maliko on oder (and also the new 122 windsurfing foil board and foil) so I put my 2017 Maliko up for sale thinking it could take a while to sell.. and it pretty much sold straight away.. leaving me with no DW board till they arrive in September.. So decided to buy the Glide because when I had one a few years ago I loved it.. It has changed slightly and from memory it seems the nose is a bit softer/rounder and the big concave in the tail seems new.
I'm not sure what the weight is but it's pretty good and noticeably lighter than the heavy GS version.. It's very stable and doesn't have that initial quick tip that so many boards have these days.. The nose goes under very easily but does it without a splash or any slowing.. The flat'ish rocker does require some footwork the keep the board in trim and prevent deep nose dives..
It doesn't have the acceleration or speed of the Maliko but it glides really well and seems to carry its speed better.. It's not what I call a race board but my DWers with friends are very casual and it's a fun and easy board to paddle.. I'm guessing it's DW ability will get better as the wind gets stronger and should be heaps of fun in nuking conditions..
It will be very interesting to see what the new Maliko is like.. I've heard it's pretty different so I wouldn't be surprised to see a little more boof nose and I'm hoping for a little more volume.
Nice video
Yeah DJ, the Maliko rumour mill is in full swing. It seems that what we know so far is that the 2018 Maliko is either more flat water or more downwind oriented; it either is still low volume or is higher volume; and the nose is either completely different, or just tweaked a bit. And we have no idea what the construction will be. So, like Trump's plans for "the wall", it is all totally transparent ;)
Nice video DJ. It seems this glide shares some DNA with the Maliko in the nose area,
is that the case or is it just optics?
As for the 2018 Maliko, the color combination of your top in this video will match perfectly
with Naish's new color theme for that board.
Always enjoy seeing your DW videos. You have a nice new DW board. Hope you will make another video with your riding it.
As always, thanks for sharing your DW videos here on the Zone.
Quote from: burchas on July 17, 2017, 07:18:35 AM
Nice video DJ. It seems this glide shares some DNA with the Maliko in the nose area,
is that the case or is it just optics?
As for the 2018 Maliko, the color combination of your top in this video will match perfectly
with Naish's new color theme for that board.
Need those for DW school boards.
"Paddling position: place feet in the red zone please.
Moving back and forth: only place feet on the yellow line please.
Grey zone: reserved for advanced aft command deck maneuvers."
Simple. Easy.
[edit to add] For those whose first name isn't Mo [and elderly wannabe's like Yugi] you may place feet
near the red zone.
So which team won on the 2nd run DJ? Orange or Yellow?
Naish still spancering you even if you race for the orange team occasionally?
Nice vid DJ. As per the Naish website, it seems the weight of the GTW Glide is the same or a touch lighter for 2017 at 31.3 pounds, but the GS got even heavier this year at 36.9 pounds compared to the previous model with a listed weight of 35.3 pounds. 37 pounds for a 290 litre board is very heavy for a standard construction.
Still love my Glide and this new design will be fun to try out.
37lbs???!!! Really? If so, Naish are going backwards with their constructions.
I still own a 2010-11 Glide. It is light and super-durable. Miles better construction than what they are offering now IMO. Progress?
I still have my 2010 Glide. When certain boards are considered historic in the development of the sport, I think the first gen Glides will be on that list, as downwinding classics. I still think that the shape of those early Gides, with the "elf shoe" nose rocker, is more suited to a dedicated downwind board than the flat rockered, admittedly faster paddling, boof nose boards of today.
Quote from: laszlo on July 17, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
I still have my 2010 Glide. When certain boards are considered historic in the development of the sport, I think the first gen Glides will be on that list, as downwinding classics. I still think that the shape of those early Gides, with the "elf shoe" nose rocker, is more suited to a dedicated downwind board than the flat rockered, admittedly faster paddling, boof nose boards of today.
They still have grand-children :-)
There are so many type of boards to down-wind now....
You can:
* Clog it with Ace
* Spoon it with prone nose
* Elf it with banana rockers
No wonder we want so many boards.....
I never should have sold my 2014 Glide. Nice board, but I thought it was too heavy.
nice board and vid dj ;)
Luc Benac, thats a lot of girls to keep happy :)
For sure, DJ makes a good case for that board. The lateral stability looks fantastic (but that maybe just DJ's skills of course!). That board is also very pretty, and I see that the GTW version is 31lbs, which doesn't seem so bad for such a big board, if it's tough. It's very nice sometimes to jump on a really stable board for DW. I have a couple of 14x30 DW boards and use them for light relief, friends, or crazy hell conditions. There's no doubt that it is harder to get these wide heavy boards into bumps, but equally it's easier to keep an even keel so that can aid planing, and you are less likely to miss a bump, and it's easier to dig deep with your paddle stroke. Which all means that for the average Joe the difference in average speed can be far less than you'd think. When DJ gets his new Maliko it will be interesting to see how much faster (if at all) he is on it.
I like that music in DJ's vid, too.
Possible new Maliko pics here.. https://www.facebook.com/SupersizePaddle/posts/1631139590292012
Quote from: DavidJohn on July 18, 2017, 06:55:52 AM
Possible new Maliko pics here.. https://www.facebook.com/SupersizePaddle/posts/1631139590292012
I would need to see pictures from other angles, but on the face of it, that looks like a really great shape, and very adaptable. It looks more flat water oriented than before, maybe. It almost looks like they've blended the 2017 Maliko and Javelin together? Which might not be a bad thing for a race board. Hard to see how this might be more DW-oriented than the 2017 Maliko though? But as I say, hard to tell from those pics, when we can't see the rocker etc.
My immediate thought though was "nice shape, this could be the All Star killer...".
The rails don't look very friendly or forgiving unless your way way way back on the tail
Quote from: supuk on July 18, 2017, 08:19:32 AM
The rails don't look very friendly or forgiving unless your way way way back on the tail
You are talking about the picture of the "new" Maliko?
For my own information/learning, is that because the rails are round almost all the way to the tail?
Quote from: supuk on July 18, 2017, 08:19:32 AM
The rails don't look very friendly or forgiving unless your way way way back on the tail
Yeah much tippier-looking, but it looks like there might be a substantial concave which might help? It's probably gonna be less friendly in cross-chop and winds though. But then the All Star isn't too special in those conditions either, and that's the mark everyone seems to want to hit.
The supposed 2018 Maliko looks less DW and more AW so def less appealing for us. Our preference is more for the original shape in 24 to complement our AS23. But to be more AW and faster in the flats can see the logic when racing only one board. The market for the Jav must be puny for Naish to drop that board if indeed they do.
For real ocean DW we have no desire to go any narrower than 28. Stability is king as that width planes easy enough when breeze jacks up to 25+ kts. For 15+ kts 27.25 is plenty narrow enough. Narrow is good on flat but not so good for DW. But to each his own.
Eagle - you could go narrower downwind, I'm sure, if you moved to a lower volume board. Many specialist production DW boards have you standing so far above the water, with big fat rails that catch every piece of crosschop and wind. If you are standing closer to the water with a slim side-on profile, it feels a lot more stable.
But yes, in general, I'm watching DJ's video and thinking "hmm...good idea - why make it any harder than it has to be?". And if the 2018 Maliko is going to be a soft-railed semi-Javelin, then maybe we'll be seeing a lot more of DJ on the 14x29 Glide.
Did anyone see the results of the recent M2M and see how well these new 2018 14' Maliko proto's went.. Pretty amazing.
"We want to extend a huge congratulations to Bernd Roediger, who won the 14' division and placed 4th overall, and Ethan Koopmans who placed 4th in the 14' division inthis years Maui2Molokai. Not a bad weekend for the Naish Maliko board to win both the men and womens 14' divisions! "
"Wishing a very happy birthday to Annie Starr Reickert, who also dominated the the women's 14' division and won the Maui2Molokai this past weekend! "
Quote from: DavidJohn on July 19, 2017, 03:42:43 AM
Did anyone see the results of the recent M2M and see how well these new 2018 14' Maliko proto's went.. Pretty amazing.
"We want to extend a huge congratulations to Bernd Roediger, who won the 14' division and placed 4th overall, and Ethan Koopmans who placed 4th in the 14' division inthis years Maui2Molokai. Not a bad weekend for the Naish Maliko board to win both the men and womens 14' divisions! "
"Wishing a very happy birthday to Annie Starr Reickert, who also dominated the the women's 14' division and won the Maui2Molokai this past weekend! "
:) :) :) :) :)
That's a perfect riposte to the wild speculations from me and others here about the 2018 Maliko, DJ. Bravo. That made me laugh.
Ok, so in the right hands, the new Maliko can downwind pretty well, then.... :)
I like the like what I've seen so far, for sure. It's the sort of board I'd be interested in right now - although I'd need one a fair bit wider than the one in the pics you posted.
One thought: were the prototypes paddled in that race the same as the production boards are going to be, or were they one-off specials?
Thanks for the video DJ, tunes with glide.
For us downwind wanabes this is some nice board porn - Luc and other photos included.
And the board seems to be the sort of open ocean friend I'd like to add to the quiver.
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 04:07:20 AM
One thought: were the prototypes paddled in that race the same as the production boards are going to be, or were they one-off specials?
In the case of Ethan Koopmans and Anne Reickert at least, they paddled the regular 2017
models. I haven't seen pictures of Bernd from the race but I'll ask him today when I see
him, he's here in Hood River now.
"Eagle - you could go narrower downwind, I'm sure, if you moved to a lower volume board."
Yeah going to a lower volume board makes perfect sense to me ie. M24. But at this point see no reason to go to a narrower board for pure DW runs. The M14 and Bullet V2 provide all the challenge and planing fun already.
Was thinking for upwind DW runs the lower volume M24 could get added for a fun perspective. The only problem is no one round here has one. So looks hard to source. The shape of the 2017 or 2016 underbody looks perfect in a 24 for this.
Of course if none can be had then will of course persevere with the AS23. But can say that in doing so -> my balance has improved drastically at the expense of pure fun quotient. In fairly docile conditions I come back sweating and legs tired. But dry at least. So the 23 has done everything expected. Excellent board for that. Torture in cross chop and slop -> but perfect in a sadistic way.
For racing against the AS23 the 2018 Maliko makes sense to increase speed a bit at the expense of stability. Always a compromise. Keen eye burchas. ;)
Thanks Burchas.. We had the Naish guys in town yesterday showing off the new foils and windsurf foilboard and I asked the question.. What boards were they on? and I was told that it would have been the new Maliko or proto-versions of it.. I hadn't seen any pictures so I believed them.. Your pics proved them wrong because they sure look like current shapes.. Thanks for the pictures.. 4th outright on a 14' board is still pretty amazing considering the huge number of UL boards in the field.
Quote from: DavidJohn on July 19, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
4th outright on a 14' board is still pretty amazing considering the huge number of UL boards in the field.
Amazing indeed, but after doing a Maliko run on this board I'm not surprised at all.
If the 2018 Maliko is anything like the prototype I've seen, we're in for a super fun
video from you in the very near future 8)
Interesting looking fin? ! Is that something unique...or just something out there I have not seen ?
Connor on his SB labelled SIC still confirms that design is proper for M2M. But Tardrew is moving up fast as his designs impress Jimmy and Annabel. Travis did awesome as well on his dug-out NSP. Nonetheless the 2017 stock Maliko design really does make a lot of sense for DW. Low volume so has low windage for control and has a nice planing bottom for fast glides down a wave. For flat water this board compromises some speed as noted.
The fin with the void is the JR special for DW.
http://paddlewithriggs.com/aercor-downwind-fin/
https://youtu.be/eH4yfNigZRU
Quote from: connector14 on July 19, 2017, 04:06:33 PM
Interesting looking fin? ! Is that something unique...or just something out there I have not seen ?
Larry Allison Aercor down-wind fin developed with Jeremy Riggs. This might be the new model in carbon that Larry was talking about.
http://paddlewithriggs.com/store-2/ (http://paddlewithriggs.com/store-2/)
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Quote from: DavidJohn on July 19, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
Thanks Burchas.. We had the Naish guys in town yesterday showing off the new foils and windsurf foilboard and I asked the question.. What boards were they on? and I was told that it would have been the new Maliko or proto-versions of it.. I hadn't seen any pictures so I believed them.. Your pics proved them wrong because they sure look like current shapes.. Thanks for the pictures.. 4th outright on a 14' board is still pretty amazing considering the huge number of UL boards in the field.
When is the official release date for the 2018 Maliko? All this misinformation is doing my nut in.
It must be soon, surely? Or is the market now so small that the order books are just full of sponsored riders and others paying reduced costs, who put their orders in even without seeing the new board?
Certainly, the M2M was good for both low volume concept designs (in a 14) and also the dugout designs (UL). With Connor winning on a more conventional design as well, it's really interesting to see how such different designs can all work.
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
With Connor winning on a more conventional design as well, it's really interesting to see how such different designs can all work.
Connor was riding the new SIC Bayonet low rocker/high volume board. But I'm pretty sure
he would win this race on just about anything. Maybe he should get a custom 17' Maliko like
board with steering for the next downwind race.
Quote from: burchas on July 19, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
With Connor winning on a more conventional design as well, it's really interesting to see how such different designs can all work.
Connor was riding the new SIC Bayonet low rocker/high volume board. But I'm pretty sure
he would win this race on just about anything. Maybe he should get a custom 17' Maliko like
board with steering for the next downwind race.
That rocker looks almost like if the nose of the board was bent at two third of the length.
Quote from: Luc Benac on July 19, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: burchas on July 19, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
With Connor winning on a more conventional design as well, it's really interesting to see how such different designs can all work.
Connor was riding the new SIC Bayonet low rocker/high volume board. But I'm pretty sure
he would win this race on just about anything. Maybe he should get a custom 17' Maliko like
board with steering for the next downwind race.
That rocker looks almost like if the nose of the board was bent at two third of the length.
Well, that's basically the rocker of the Naish Maliko, isn't it? Pretty flat from tail to about 75% (or whatever) the length of the board and then a sharp nose upturn. Gives the benefit of low rocker for flat sections and take-off, with the benefit of nose rocker once you are on the bump. The original Naish 17 was similar(ish) in that respect - rather than having a continuous rocker.
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
Pretty flat from tail to about 75% (or whatever) the length of the board and then a sharp nose upturn. Gives the benefit of low rocker for flat sections and take-off, with the benefit of nose rocker once you are on the bump. The original Naish 17 was similar(ish) in that respect - rather than having a continuous rocker.
Never realised it was that pronounced. Performance aside, aesthetically I am still a sucker for a continuous rocker.
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
Well, that's basically the rocker of the Naish Maliko, isn't it?
Basically yes, only higher both on nose and tail.
The fog starts lifting - almost...
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/2018-Naish-Maliko?page=1#lastpost (https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/2018-Naish-Maliko?page=1#lastpost)
Mmmmmm.. I like oranges.. ;D
That's not showing much. Nose maybe just slightly sleeker. Can't judge rocker.
I'm guessing just slight changes. But too early to tell.
Quote from: Luc Benac on July 19, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
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That rocker looks almost like if the nose of the board was bent at two third of the length.
Burkas, what is that board?
Yes, it looks bent.
Quote from: Area 10 on July 19, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
Well, that's basically the rocker of the Naish Maliko, isn't it? Pretty flat from tail to about 75% (or whatever) the length of the board and then a sharp nose upturn.
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No way. Nothing like it.
Quote from: Luc Benac on July 19, 2017, 10:21:50 PM
The fog starts lifting - almost...
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/2018-Naish-Maliko?page=1#lastpost (https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/2018-Naish-Maliko?page=1#lastpost)
Looks good to me.
And I can see why some people might say it's radically different from 2017, and others might say it isn't wildly different.
But what everyone wants to know: is it higher volume??
Doesn't look very different to me (other than the colour) but it's the shape under the nose that I'd like to see more of..
I've heard it's more rounder in the rails near the nose and they've lost the chine and edges.. and I'm guessing also a little more belly or v under the nose.
^ interesting
It already was pretty soft rails i found. Softer rails and a bit more belly brings it closer to a Rogue Rage's nose. Which I can attest works very well.
Maybe a wee bit more rocker someone said?
I haven't seen much of SIC's Bayonet but what little I've seen looks also rather Rogue Rage-ish as well.
Quote from: DavidJohn on July 20, 2017, 01:34:40 AM
Doesn't look very different to me (other than the colour) but it's the shape under the nose that I'd like to see more of..
I've heard it's more rounder in the rails near the nose and they've lost the chine and edges.. and I'm guessing also a little more belly or v under the nose.
I knew you'd rejoice knowing you would have a matchy mathcy outfit with the new board :)
As far as I remember they rounded the rails a bit in the mid section of the board. The edges
under the nose were rounded a bit as well but they were still pronounced.
They pulled the nose volume slightly back and added a bit more rocker to the nose.
Volume looked about the same.
Ok, so now Naish need to make an UL version of this board. How cool would that be?