I wonder who's right.. 8)
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Well... you got both on hand. Ride 'em and tell us.
I'd like to hear:
1 the difference in handling when they pearl
2 the difference the hard rails all the way to the front on the Jav makes
3 what those Concaves and chines do for the board handling on the Allstar
If I had to choose one without testing, it would be the Starboard.
Quote from: marcioferrari on September 09, 2015, 05:43:36 AM
If I had to choose one without testing, it would be the Starboard.
I'm sure you're not alone thinking that.. but that particular Naish board is the best DW board that I've ever used.. and I've tried heaps.. including many other brands.
Dimensions of both boards? I'm partial to the Naish everyone knows yellow is the fastest color.
Quote from: manta on September 09, 2015, 12:09:58 PM
Dimensions of both boards? I'm partial to the Naish everyone knows yellow is the fastest color.
Both 14x28..
I've heard the standard Jav in 28 is a bit of a dw machine. Plenty stable at the width and just enough shape to make it fun.
How does it go on big swell though? Should pearl a bit but a good stomp on the tail should sort it out. I'm going to demo one soon in ocean conditions, should be a bit of fun.
The sheer volume of the All Star is surprising. That Javelin is a pretty big board for most people, and yet the All Star is dwarfing it in terms of thickness. The tail looks huge and it's going to be pretty tricky to sink it, unless you are of substantial stature.
The extra volume in the tail looks the biggest difference to me. Should mean that once the nose starts planing and you take a few steps back it wont substantially change the boards waterline or angle on the wave.
Quote from: Lobes on September 09, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
The extra volume in the tail looks the biggest difference to me. Should mean that once the nose starts planing and you take a few steps back it wont substantially change the boards waterline or angle on the wave.
Depending on how much tail rocker there is..
What is the volume difference? Kind of a shocking comparison looking at them.
Quote from: stoneaxe on September 10, 2015, 05:00:13 AM
What is the volume difference? Kind of a shocking comparison looking at them.
I think the blue=about 310ltrs.. and yellow=about 280ltrs.
The picture doesn't show that the 28 wide Allstar has a deep sunk in deck so the volume difference may not be as big as it looks. I think the nose design in the Allstar makes up for less rocker. I already put in my order for the 14x25. ;D
Thanks for posting DJ!
It's not about overall volume, but where the volume is. That All Star looks like the Serena Williams of downwinding. Plenty of curves, and volume front and back.
I'm very interested to try this out. Mostly if you are going for a flat rockered DW board with volume forward you thin out the tail so you can lift the nose by standing back rather than ploughing it and to aid steering on a bump. This seems to be a different approach. Combined with these unusual channels, I'm not quite sure what to expect, especially for someone under 200lbs.
Quote from: Chilly on September 10, 2015, 07:57:06 AM
The picture doesn't show that the 28 wide Allstar has a deep sunk in deck so the volume difference may not be as big as it looks. I think the nose design in the Allstar makes up for less rocker. I already put in my order for the 14x25. ;D
Thanks for posting DJ!
The 14x25 will be a very different shape to this DW spacific board.. The nose will be much more like the past Allstars.. Still it should be a great board.
I like the extra thickness through the tail.. This helps stop water flowing over the deck and tail.. I would like to see my Naish slightly thicker.
I've paddled this new DW Allstar on flat water only.. Next DWer we do (tomorrow) I'll see how it goes in the bumps.. It has a little bit of initial quick- tip but secondary stability kicks in very soon.. Those deep concaves should help unstick the board from the water promoting early planing and keep the board planing longer..
The nose shape reduces the water line to a 13'6" board unlike my Naish that uses the whole 14' and that nose also looks like it will push water when pearling.. unlike my Naish.. But it seemed to work well on the Ace and Fanatic boards..
Tomorrow I'll put a side pointing camera on my board and try and catch some runners alongside Paul so we can see how the board's working.
I realize its about where the volume is but its surprising there is such a small difference given the looks.