i have such trouble with airs on sup? i can do them decent on shortboard mute grabs, backside grab, frontside and backside. but on sup i can only get small hops and thats when i hit the most perfect ramp. aka. white water section coming at you... i always seem to tail drop or early get fins out.. i think i gotta pull my back leg up more??? i ride carbon 7'10 airborne.i know its hard to get 7 ft bed outta water. i see a perfect section to launch and 1 out of 10 is decent most are lame or just 2 inch pops? anyone know the sercert?
You wanna start throwing air reverses now? lol, I haven't seen any SUP vids doing air that really comes out of the water, yet.
Little hop is much as you can do I think. I mean, any SUP board is ginormous. Even the smallest SUP is huge compare to any shortboard out there.
Quote from: jumpfrom13k on February 20, 2015, 07:00:17 PM
You wanna start throwing air reverses now? lol, I haven't seen any SUP vids doing air that really comes out of the water, yet.
Little hop is much as you can do I think. I mean, any SUP board is ginormous. Even the smallest SUP is huge compare to any shortboard out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14KicUHmscs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd4n6nZbrfo
Yup, Little hops, just like I said. You can't cheat the physics. All the mass of SUP board need much more power to punt it off the wave. No doubt those guys are good, and the newton333 is probably a ripper as well. But still......
this is air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_p9z6rgDzg
and this is air in small wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RVWCG4jrvw
In a mean while, let me work on foam climb and floaters. ;)
I don't think board mass is the limit. In fact I don't think it matters for ultimate height at all. But even if it did, the boards are getting pretty small. A lot of the SUP pros are on boards that won't float even their relatively light weight. figure some of these guys at 130 pounds that's 60 liters to float them. When they stop paddling they sink to their waist. That's 40 liters. Most pro surfers except for featherweights are surfing 20 to 30 liter boards. Not a huge difference. Even if my number are off by 50 percent, it's still not ginormous. Just bigger. And bigger might be okay when the technique develops and the paddle is used to the full extent to drive the boards. Air is a relatively new thing in the surf world. Old news in the windsurfing world, where even geezers like me can get boards and rigs that weigh ten to twenty times what a shortboard does to go ten times higher. Yeah, we cheat. So?
I think big air is more about right place at the right time with the right surfer. There's simply a lot more great surfers in a lot more places surfing a lot more critical waves than there are SUP surfers. Even the really good SUP surfers tend to be in the mushier breaks. Surfing is a competitive world at every level. There are usually more people who want a great wave than there are great waves. Surfers have been effective at keeping SUPs out of the best lineups.
I think that's all the reason you need. Likely to stay that way too.
Those wern't "little hops" by Kai Lenny. If you've seen the SUP movie, you'll see plenty more. It may have some to do with the fact your on an airborn. I mean, anything is possible, but from what I know about those boards are wide, thick with very little rocker. You can see Zane in that video on an older model of either the 8'0 or 7'7 and those wernt very performance oriented shapes either but he does pull it off which speaks to Bills point. While it can be done might be easier with more of a performance shape board
the air kai does ay 1.03 is exactly what happens to me. i have the speed down the line pretty good. i get way better pop backside but only land a few. meaning my tail comes out better. frontside i struggle. gonna try to really get back foot as far back as i can seems like I'm always a little up to far on the board. and really use the kick tail on my pad.
I guess the big hop and little hop is subjective.
We'll agree to disagree. :)
Now newton333.
Any tips on foam climb?
I'm hesitant to consider equipment to be a limitation in any sport--mostly because I'm old enough to have seen endless progression, that doesn't always include significant equipment changes. One of my sports was motocross, and while the equipment certainly progressed, it's nothing compared to the human changes to what is possible. We modified our bikes in 1976 to have eight inches of reasonably well controlled suspension travel, and if we got a few feet off a jump we were flying.
I don't think mountain bikes are so different from the ones we had 30 years ago to account for the huge difference in what is considered possible.
I think people push the edges forward, and it's a numbers game. The more people playing, the faster the edge progresses. By comparison, surfing in general feels behind the curve.
Quote from: jumpfrom13k on February 21, 2015, 07:12:43 AM
I guess the big hop and little hop is subjective.
We'll agree to disagree. :)
Now newton333.
Any tips on foam climb?
Comparing SUP to shortboard airs isn't what I was getting at. The point was some elite SUP riders are definitely getting some air, compared to the OP saying he has trouble getting more than a few inches of pop. Some of those waves were little more than waist high that Kai was airing off of as well, so it's fairly obvious the amount of air he was getting off of small waves can be increased quite a bit on bigger waves. It's all about progression, but there are obvious limitations as well with SUP equipment and it's not just the board. It's a lot harder to boost holding a paddle with two hands opposed to being able to fully pump with your arms and entire body on a short board.
I suspect that it will be easier to boost with a paddle, once the technique advances. I'll never know personally, because my surfing consists of weak little wiggle-waggle turns, but watching people like Daniel Hughes, Kai and Zane makes me think it's got pole vaulter potential.
... but there are obvious limitations as well with SUP equipment and it's not just the board. It's a lot harder to boost holding a paddle with two hands opposed to being able to fully pump with your arms and entire body on a short board.[/quote]
I tried both methods, paddle boost and legs pump, a few days ago when the waves were about 4' to 5' with "some what of a fast shoulder." I found the paddle boost to be ineffective to get the board driving faster down the line while the legs pumps were a bit better. Be that as it may, the heavy SUP (approximately 13 or 14 lbs) plus the wider tail (18.5" measured 12" from the tail) prevented me from get air ... the board saw air when I kicked out while falling backward. :-\ Next board will be smaller, narrower and lighter.
I think little hop witha SUP is a feat itself.
Like the OP, if you can get the whole thing out of the water you are in top 2% or even 1% of SUP surfing population.
Lets say your buddy is at second floor balcony and say, "Hey dude, throw me that surfboard up here."
I can easily Frisbee my shortboard up to second floor but if I have to throw my SUP board to the second floor? That be impossible.
Only way to get SUP air high, would be using backwash at the Wedge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVguA2WEZsg
i find its all about the speed and the paddle helps with this somewhat, and i find it does help u make some airs that u wouldn't make cause u can use it as a balance point, i feel i gotta try coming more off the bottom with more of a lip attack.
Quote from: newton333 on February 20, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
i have such trouble with airs on sup?.... anyone know the sercert?
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One factor when considering airs:
Lots of potential to get wrapped up with your board in an explosive situation.
Shortboards suck enough when they hit you.... but even a small SUP can do some serious damage when blown up on landing. Plus the paddle.
I think you can pull off a decent air on a SUP....but the "oh oh" factor is going to be higher.
Have fun... take videos ;D
I agree with Jump. Even getting your board up off of the wave at all puts you in the top 10% of all SUP surfers. If you figure out how to get as high as those guys on the tiny prone boards, you have got to teach us all.
That backwash made me hurt just looking at it. You can't see it coming at the wedge, the water just gets smooth in front of you and suddenly you get whacked. There were times I thought it broke my back, and I only went on small to mid sized days. I remember a tall, skinny, kind of arab-looking kid named Mansour. Didn't know if that was his first, last, or nickname. Pretty good sponger, a great body surfer, and he charged the big days. He got ejected onto nearly dry sand by what looked like sidewash--bouncing off the jetty. His buddies pulled him out but he didn't look good. Never saw him at the wedge again.
early attempt 2010.. on 8'5 board.