Blair SUP - WaveRod - Honesty and Ethics?

[Joe Blair]

Surf9 -

I have my boards at Wetfeet on Oahu for demo.  If you are on another island, give me a buzz 760-809-9074 so I can help you out. 

Aloha,  Bra

[Weed]

If Fry had any dignity he would donate his boards to schools for the kids to learn on, get out of the business, maybe sell vacuum cleaners.

[SUPer Dave]

holy shit....he is here...

[Strand Leper]

Pono,

The point of the e-mail was to get a reply and see the tone of the reply and to put the seller on constructive notice that he was likely trafficking in stolen property.  IMHO, If he was an innocent retailer, his reply would have been much, much different.  I think that his reply identified him as Fry.  Nonetheless, knowingly trafficking in stolen property, intellectual or otherwise is actionable by the victim of the theft.  By sending him the e-mail, I put him on contructive notice... meaning, he didn't know for sure because I could have been full of Sh**, but at that point had the duty of a "reasonable person" to determine if my statement was true.  By not investigating and continuing to sell thereafter, he was "putting himself at risk."

Tim

[GMONEY]

Its been awhile.

[NXLVL]

   Sorry to hear about your experience with jeremy. If it makes you feel any better, I also have been stripped of my innovations and ideas like you. I helped unload a container of Wave Rods on Topsail Island, NC and was briefly a dearler/distributor. The 9'11" x 30" "The Next Level" was taken from me, after I attended the surf expo in Orlando, FL. During my time with them, I explained how I would like to have my own line of boards from every boardsport and it would be called "Next Level Board Sports." And my motto,"Take your skills to the next level!" Sounds familiar huh.  Anyway, you have a ton of people behind you, I hope this helps you in your quest of resolutions.
I included a link to a gallery to assure the audience Im no kook!

http://www.uniquemediadesign.com/galleries/surfing-surf-city-pier-4-15-09/

[SUPer Dave]

NXLVL  not sure what your point is here could you please explain ?

[SUPer Dave]

BTW...They Surf here for the summer, and besides being apart of the summer influx,  there not a problem...                                                                                 

[Southbay]

NXLVL  not sure what your point is here could you please explain ?

   Sorry to hear about your experience with jeremy. If it makes you feel any better, I also have been stripped of my innovations and ideas like you. I helped unload a container of Wave Rods on Topsail Island, NC and was briefly a dearler/distributor. The 9'11" x 30" "The Next Level" was taken from me, after I attended the surf expo in Orlando, FL. During my time with them, I explained how I would like to have my own line of boards from every boardsport and it would be called "Next Level Board Sports." And my motto,"Take your skills to the next level!" Sounds familiar huh.  Anyway, you have a ton of people behind you, I hope this helps you in your quest of resolutions.
I included a link to a gallery to assure the audience Im no kook!

http://www.uniquemediadesign.com/galleries/surfing-surf-city-pier-4-15-09/

Sounds like NXLVL is saying that he worked for WaveRod and they stole a tag line from him.  Is that right?  Bummer, not as easy to prove as a board copy. 

NXLVL, I think you should still do it.  It's not like anyone will remember WaveRod soon.....

By the way, I love this picture, I hope that it is ok that I post it here.

Southbay

[NXLVL]

Thnx, you pretty much said it. Im not looking for compensation, just credit where's credit is due. I believe Mr. Blair would agree, just put on every wave rod that is his shape "joe blair shapes." That would have been the ethical thing to do.

Thanks for the picture post, one of my favorites also. Post up the air pic, maybe Joe will put me on one of his quads!

[stoneaxe]

Great air shot.

[PonoBill]

Sounds like NXLVL is saying that he worked for WaveRod and they stole a tag line from him.  Is that right?  Bummer, not as easy to prove as a board copy. 

As a guy who made his living writing ad copy I'd say that's hardly a big deal. If I had a nickel for every tag line or idea that was stolen from me I'd have way too many nickels, if I gave one back for every idea or tag line I stole I'd probably be in the hole. Plagiarism is the real mother of invention. Ideas are important, but they're hard to protect, and they come from everywhere. Hard to say what the source is, though if I never see another guy sitting in an easy chair with his tie blown back from the sound of his stereo it will be much too soon.

I know a guy in the "Ad Biz" who's claim to fame is that he came up with the line "Bud Clark is Serious". Wow. Another is proud of the line "you'll be missing something...<<pregnant pause>>...really good". Awesome. How did they do that?

It's the execution of the idea that matters.

The biggest puzzle in all of this continues to be that Jeremy seems to do the hard part so very well, and sleazed out on the easy stuff--and did it so poorly that he got caught.  I'm not minimizing the talent required to shape a successful board, but I'm pretty certain I could knock off everyone's shapes and no one would ever know.  After all, everyone is copying the folks that went before. The fins go on the bottom. The nose is pointy or round.

The really easy way would be to find one of the starving artist shapers and have him mow up some blanks and sign over the rights. I wouldn't even glass them, just ship them to China or Vietnam and presto--the Ke Nalu line.

[byrondesign]

Hey Joe, ya old dinosaur, it's good to see you on the internet and I hope you are doing well with SUPs.

I was working at Channin when we started the KKL project. That was the 1st commecial CNC shaping machine in California. At that time Tony Channin received a lot of threats for making a shaping machine that was going to replace shapers. How times have changed.

One of the arguments at that time against the machine was that anybody could take a good board and have it copied. Most companies have been pretty good about honoring other peoples work, but with the globalization of production, there are always people who are looking to take short cuts to profit and glory. This is especially true when you are talking about off continent factories run by people who we will never see. There are too many individuals who are happy to fill up a container with knock-offs and wait for their money transfers to come through. We all need to be vigilant. Karma will always catch up.

How's ol Rod doing?

See ya in the water, Byron

[rainbowfins]

I like this shot.

[Strand Leper]

That SUSurfer should have his ass beaten for that wave!  That is such a f*** kook move that it is ridiculous.  Of course, if the shacked surfer had been hopping SUSurfer all morning... maybe a different story... but the beach, the lineup, and everyone else who saw that move would likely not know the backstory either.  Not cool.  Not cool at all.

SL