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FOIL STOKE

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2022, 09:49:03 AM »
After lots of paddling/experimenting and additional reading/asking around and considering what you guys have said in this forum + winging my Fanatic 6'3" and feeling what kind power is needed to get my current setup out of the water I have come to the conclusion that I need to get a different board. This is of course what HDIP PAFOIL and others are saying. Thank you gents for the nudge in the right direction. Of course finances and good old stubbornness play their parts. I have very much enjoyed the time spent paddling my Fanatic setup as it was not only good training in general but great cross training for winging and for a base for what I am seeking to do which is to foil these micro bumps we have locally quite consistently. That being said I am looking to purchase a board that will be dedicated to SUPFOIL and I want to ping you guys on the right purchase.

Option 1. Harpoon. Most expensive route (custom shaped) but damn that board looks amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpg7SMx5jfY

Option 2. Sunova Aviator Elite

https://sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/aviator-downwind-elite

I am leaning towards this for a few reasons, one the price. But two - Casey/Sunova- has developed this board, I believe, with this discipline in mind. Really he lists this board as not a stable board but the easiest possible paddle up board in flattish conditions. They list this as: Elite; you need to have good balance for these boards. Generally it should be your second or third downwind SUP foilboard, not your first. If you like to throw yourself in the deep end and suffer a little this could be for you too.

Ill put myself in the category of -  throw yourself in the deep end and suffer a little, lol.

My question to you guys is the literage as the shape is bang on. Knowing what I know now the more the better really. The 106l I have needs a good deal of energy to even start to plain. The 7'6" is 137 litres which I think is perfect. Had to ping you guys though. What do you think?





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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2022, 10:46:18 AM »
I would demo both if possible.  im about 180lb and find my kalama E3(5'10x22.5 100L) pretty stable but I have 10 yrs of sup surfing experience. I think you want a board volume that your feet just at water level or 1/2" high when you standing on it.  I found board to be more unstable when it have too much volume and your center of gravity increase.  But too low of volume you will have to dig yourself out when catching a wave and also trying not to sink the nose at the same time.
You probably will catch more of the mirco bumps with the bigger board and have a lot more fun compare to Sunova unless they make a slight higher volume one.

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2022, 11:53:18 AM »
@SUS4Life yes.. this makes sense to me. You're on a 100l board at 81kgs.. Im 95kgs on a 106l board and looking to go to a 137..maaaybe the 7'3 would be the best cross over (at 128litres) but that ratio makes sense to me. My 106l is basically a good trainer for SUPFOIL but a beginner/light wind WING FOIL board which is right where I am at the moment. I think I would take buoyancy (instability) over a smaller board because of the light conditions I am trying to get up in.

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2022, 09:34:03 PM »
I'm not even trying to paddle up in anything resembling flatwater. I'm a heavy (220#), clumsy geezer. I need either waves or a wing to foil. but I see all the folks around me who are doing it, both in Hood River and in Maui. It's a big deal in both places. And all of them are on Kalama boards. As in 100 percent. They might start off with something else, but when they start to see some success and start to improve, they get onto a Kalama board as quickly as they can. Most start there.

As I say, that doesn't reflect any kind of experience, but most of the people pioneering this stuff are here and Hood River. Jeremy Riggs, Dave Kalama, Austin Kalama, and most of the other folks working on changing the way SUP and prone foiling is done are longtime friends. At the very best, most of the other boards I see are copies of Kalama boards with the board shapers' own ideas tossed in. That's great, and if Dave wasn't developing this stuff every day I'd say he's likely to be overshadowed, but right now he's running fairly strong, far ahead of the pack. You can ask him to design and build you a board that suits you exactly based on what he knows--which is one hell of a lot. If I were doing what you're attempting, I wouldn't consider anything else.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2022, 09:42:33 PM by PonoBill »
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2022, 09:43:18 AM »
Thanks PonoBill, that resonates. I think I've watched that Jeremy Riggs video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTCu1hG-ioc) about 1,000 times. Im still trying to get my mind wrapped around the idea that either the speed is needed to get up on foil or the technique. Probably both. Jeremy's 72Kg to board ratio is about .68. (72kg/105l) mine would be .73 (95kg/130l) so Im sitting deeper in the water. That why I suppose I was leaning towards a board that had length and volume. That 6'5 X 27 from kalama sounds killer though. Food for thought PonoBill thank you!

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2022, 10:29:59 AM »
Dave is on Facebook, you could message him and ask what he'd recommend for you. As everyone knows who has spent any time with him, he's a very approachable guy and a straight talker.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2022, 01:36:57 PM »
Awesome thank you! I will take you up on that as I would love the input.

Cheers!

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2022, 06:17:29 PM »
@SUS4Life yes.. this makes sense to me. You're on a 100l board at 81kgs.. Im 95kgs on a 106l board and looking to go to a 137..maaaybe the 7'3 would be the best cross over (at 128litres) but that ratio makes sense to me. My 106l is basically a good trainer for SUPFOIL but a beginner/light wind WING FOIL board which is right where I am at the moment. I think I would take buoyancy (instability) over a smaller board because of the light conditions I am trying to get up in.

Thanks for the credit. I have a lot of people now asking about getting into the wave earlier and longer skinnier boards; which I highly recommend and use for downwind bay runs.
But then these guys see me using my 5,0 Kalama in the waves they freak out. Just to be clear, for small waves (1m), it is always more fun to use a smaller, more agile board. Getting into waves early is fun but requires paddling and consumes a lot of energy.  Getting into a wave at the right moment requires almost no energy.
Anyway, follow your path, and good luck.

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Re: My SUP FOIL Journey Begins!
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2023, 01:05:52 PM »
Hi All,

After careful consideration (and saving up) I have pulled the trigger on a custom carbon deck. DIMS - 8 X 21 X 6 @ 131L

I looked hard at the Sunova Aviator Elite and the Kalama offering. In the end the idea of supporting my local shaper (who is a beauty) and being able to have a full carbon deck sealed the deal. I will follow up with pics and a review when I can. Im OBV stoked to see what I can do once I get my hand on her. The pursuit continues..

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