Any size-and-volume-equivalency SimSup ideas anyone?

[linter]

  I've been looking at the L41 Tipsup as reviewed over at http://srfnff.blogspot.com/2012/12/l41-tipsup-worlds-first-dedicated-sup.html.  Dimensions are 8'10" x 29 x 4-1/2" at 129.5 L.  Man, that seems small.  But everyone who has ridden a simsup says they're wwwway more stable than their size would indicate.

  that being the case, let's say i'm super happy with the stability of the 9-6 Fanatic Allwave.  It's 9-6 x 32, with volume of 174L.  I think even if the board came in at 165L, that'd be stable enough for me.  Okay, if I wanted the same stability in a simsup like the Tipsup, could anyone suggest a likely equivalent size?

  thanks!

[AJR]

No offense to those on the Zone but I think your best bet is to talk to Kirk (the shaper).  He's very responsive and if you explain your concerns re: stability he'll be the best one to know what to do...  

What do you weigh?  Based on past experience with other boards the fuller nose and tail do significantly increase stability and you can go shorter...

[SUPCHLU]

Based on past experience with other boards the fuller nose and tail do significantly increase stability and you can go shorter...

+1

The 7'6" Timsup I rode is more stable than my 8'6" and even 9'4" for that matter, pulled in nose and tail boards.

[linter]

Thanks guys. I'll call Kirk at some point but Basically I just wanted to stimulate conversation about the topic here for the benefit of all.
  In my case, weight is not a big determining factor.  I know what I need in a conventional sup like the allwave, as per above, and I'm just looking for ideas about equivalent stability in a Sim design.

[AJR]

I sure hope they're more stable - i ordered a 7'10x31 @ 127L for me and I'll be 215 when it arrives (thanks to the primal thread)...

[OUTSIDEWAVE]

i have no idea what would work I am kinda curious too   I think your ability and age  are probably also factors.  I understand the concept wide nose wide tail   don't know about the rails  but I can also say that for  those of you familiar with the south coast board the concept there is simila and I can attest to their stability..  so if any one has a used sim sup  big enough to support 230  let me know,,,

[Cardiff Sweeper]

*sigh*

Go small, as you'll regret going big.
This where having a surfing background helps.

7'2"x28"x4.25" @ 96L floats my 185lbs (in a wetsuit). I'm 5'11" tall, FWIW.

Get it out of your head that you need a big board. The purpose of this design is to go much smaller than a traditional board shape.  It's like standing on a sheet of plywood. The stability is built in!

[kneecap]

*sigh*

Go small, as you'll regret going big.
This where having a surfing background helps.

7'2"x28"x4.25" @ 96L floats my 185lbs (in a wetsuit). I'm 5'11" tall, FWIW.

Get it out of your head that you need a big board. The purpose of this design is to go much smaller than a traditional board shape.  It's like standing on a sheet of plywood. The stability is built in!

So true. I'm an inch or so shorter than Cardiff but weigh the same. Sub 100L boards are very stable at thisshape and I believe even Kirk recommends going a foot shorter than your normal board.



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[mdsurf]

Outsidewave, I think you mean Soth County boards.  They have the same concept of a wide and stable. You can definitely go shorter on a stable board.

[SEA]

Has anyone tried these in Hawaiian waters   our water is no where near as calm as California's (on average) so I'm wondering how some slop (unorganized water)  and wind would effect this boards stability in the surf ??

I will call Kirk but just wondering if any Zoners can shed some light on this for me.

[lopezwill]

 I'll be picking up a L41 SIMSUP this week.  I'm 6'4" 225 to 230 lbs.  I'm 57 years old with 4 years sup surfing experience.  I had a 8' 5"  31.5 across 140 volume SIMSUP S4 and for me it felt too small and unstable in the conditions I surf the most in.  Thats just me...as I surf in windy, choppy, longer paddle out surf conditions.  The 8'5" was too much work and I don't like knee paddling or sitting waiting for waves.  The board did totally rip though.

These 150 to 200 pound, shorter height, young guys with good balance can balance on these small boards...I can't.  But that's just me.  The new L41 SIMSUP is 8'10" 33" across and a whopping 159 volume!   I'll give a complete review after I surf it for a few weeks.

 A few things to remember.  The L41 (Kirks) SIMSUP S4 shape is VERY PROGRESSIVE WITH THINNER SURFBOARD RAILS, PULLED IN NOSE AND TAIL.  The more traditional SIMSUP S1 has a fuller rail and tail and I think I could go smaller.  There is a lot of shaping variables as to why a shorter board can be made stable for the rider.  Call Kirk and find out what he suggest or try out as many SIMSUPS as you can.  

 The original post baited me as that's exactly what I'm looking for in a SIMSUP.  The stability of 9'2 to 9'6" Fanatic All Wave but the progressive surfing and speed of an L41 S4 SIMSUP.  The problem for me is there are not a lot of 6"4" 230 pound sup surfers riding SIMSUPS that I can demo so I guess I'm sort of a guinea pig.

 Lastly....I don't know what the big reason is as to why people need to go smaller and smaller on these SIMSUPS.  Shouldn't the goal be progressive surfing, fun, speed and just plain ripping on a SIMSUP design?  Who cares if the board is 7' by 25 across or 9' by 34 across as long as the "Design characteristics" make the board rip for the rider?

[colas]

The problem for me is there are not a lot of 6"4" 230 pound sup surfers riding SIMSUPS that I can demo so I guess I'm sort of a guinea pig.

For the weight, let's Archimedes guide you. 230 pounds = 104 kg You will float at ~ 115 liters but with no extra flotation "buffer" to help balance in chop when feet move away from the center of balance. 135 to 145 liters will be comfortable wit some practice. More, and you may be actually less stable because of the "cork effect", depending on your conditions and practice.

For the height , let's just say that that at 1.93m you are 1.155 times taller than me. That means that the 31.5" board you tried would have been like a 27.25" for me - no fun at 50+ old!. Or to get the same stability as the Simmons I use of 30" you should have a 34.6" one ...

I would personally urge to go wide, but very thin rails, especially in the tail, to be able to dive them deep in the wave to get hold in good conditions. My experience with thicker boards with more meaty rails have not been good: it was stabler for the same width, but they kind of lose speed in turns. Not a real issue for vertical, contest-oriented surfing, but less fun for me.

Note that with designs with more pulled in tails, more meaty rails were OK as pulled in tails do not need to be as submerged.

[AJR]

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Shouldn't the goal be progressive surfing, fun, speed and just plain ripping on a SIMSUP design?  Who cares if the board is 7' by 25 across or 9' by 34 across as long as the "Design characteristics" make the board rip for the rider?

Agreed - for any board for that matter.  Get what is fun for you and don't worry about the size...

[linter]

Okay, Lopezwill and Colas, now we're getting somewhere.  Those are exactly the kinds of answers I was looking for.  And Lopezwill, I can't wait to hear your report on your new board, because with volume of 159L, it's just about right at what I want and, in my case, need.   Frankly, I'm not looking for a slash and burn board anyway, especially since it's the Tipsup I'm interested in.  And even 8'-10" seems short to me.  I like a longer board.

Cardiff Sweeper: If I had any of these boards to demo, I most certainly would and maybe I'd see that you're right, smaller is better.  But since I don't, that's why I posted my question in the first place, looking for ideas about equivalency.

   Also, Supchu says his Corran board is "more stable" than his other two boards that are roughly the same volume (none of which I myself could stand on for longer than 1 second).  Okay, but there ought to be a way to hazard a guess as to how much "more stable" it is.  That would be useful information.

   Thanks, all, for the replies.

[supthecreek]

Great thread Linter.
lopezwill... can't wait until you give us a report.... with pictures!

colas... good info... exactly what I have been thinking... wide, with thinner rails keeps stability while gaining drive.

I am steadily losing weight, and I am feeling the need to go smaller, but the super windy conditions (30mph) I have been surfing lately are a good reminder to maintain the stability factor.

Linter... are you heading back to Linterland when you get your SimSUP ?