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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2017, 09:40:00 AM »
yes, but not extensively.

It feels like the narrow displacement race board that it is. I don't really like it because I don't like narrow displacement race boards, or its looks.

Two (spancered) riders I know do like them, they seem quick enough.

RRD do really really nice sailboards. I expect they'll pick up their SUP game.

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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2017, 11:07:58 AM »

I know that board well. Very fast on flat. OK for v light downbreeze. A nightmare in chop.

I heard Robby didn't like that twitchyness and yanked it. Are we witnessing a comeback now we all got better?

I never paddled one, but I was at a Naish demo and I noticed the Naish guy had one in his van, so I asked him if I could try it.  These aren't his exact words, because he was more polite, but his response was along the lines of, "Trust me, it's so unlikely you'll like it that it's not worth the effort of pulling it out of the van."
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2017, 12:05:41 PM »
^ hahahaha   good guy. I like an honest rep.

So I finally convinced my buddy who lives on the other side of the lake to sell it (he never wanted to come out and SUP when it was choppy). Then guess where it shows up? On the same rack where I have my board stowed. Now I'm friends w the new owner so I'm still always on it. I'll never get away from the thing!

I have to admit it's a great measure of my progress. I hate it less and less. I actually do Ok on it now. I'm even attempting buoy turns on it and feel a need to wax the back deck. My new buddy is very good. It really kicked his ass and he's doing really well.

I think so it goes with most flatwater boards with recessed deck, or at least I get that impression. The deeply recessed deck is a probable sign it's compensating for something.





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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2017, 11:02:41 PM »
I never paddled one, but I was at a Naish demo and I noticed the Naish guy had one in his van, so I asked him if I could try it.  These aren't his exact words, because he was more polite, but his response was along the lines of, "Trust me, it's so unlikely you'll like it that it's not worth the effort of pulling it out of the van."
More experts telling me what I'd like and what I wouldn't like. If you could learn something interesting from a difficult board, we'd all be better off. Experience denied. (Other cranky comments deleted.)

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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2017, 01:43:46 AM »
yes, but not extensively.

It feels like the narrow displacement race board that it is. I don't really like it because I don't like narrow displacement race boards, or its looks.

Two (spancered) riders I know do like them, they seem quick enough.

RRD do really really nice sailboards. I expect they'll pick up their SUP game.

Maybe the 2015 Starboard Sprint in a 25 width with its added hard concave underneath was a good compromise for everyone. A shame they stopped making that board.
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 05:38:44 AM »
yes, but not extensively.

It feels like the narrow displacement race board that it is. I don't really like it because I don't like narrow displacement race boards, or its looks.

Two (spancered) riders I know do like them, they seem quick enough.

RRD do really really nice sailboards. I expect they'll pick up their SUP game.

Maybe the 2015 Starboard Sprint in a 25 width with its added hard concave underneath was a good compromise for everyone. A shame they stopped making that board.

Was it made in 25", the only ones I have seen were 23".
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 10:05:20 AM »
yes, but not extensively.

It feels like the narrow displacement race board that it is. I don't really like it because I don't like narrow displacement race boards, or its looks.

Two (spancered) riders I know do like them, they seem quick enough.

RRD do really really nice sailboards. I expect they'll pick up their SUP game.

I thought there was a 25. I may be wrong. Either way, they've pushed their flatwater boards to widths and volumes beyond those of a reasonable build and mass. If I go back to such a design, I'll be going to a custom shaper.

Maybe the 2015 Starboard Sprint in a 25 width with its added hard concave underneath was a good compromise for everyone. A shame they stopped making that board.

Was it made in 25", the only ones I have seen were 23".
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 10:13:50 AM »
The widest one I know of are the 2014 models.
26" wide like yours (before your modifications and improvements :-) )
28" wide
Then (according to literature, Rozier's video and what I have seen around in 2015), they went to 23" only.
it was supposed to replace the 2014 both 24" and 26" wide.
In SB's words it was faster than the 24" and "more stable" than the 26" wide thus removing the need of a wider model.....
A more "relaxed" version of the 2015 in 26" would likely have been of interest to me.
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 01:33:02 PM »
Yeah - looks like what SB did in 2015 was have 3 options.

1     Sprint 14x23 for flat water
2     Race 14x25 and 27 for all water
3     All Star 14x23 plus 25 and 28 for surf/downwind

Did try the 2015 Race 25 and it was extremely tippy.  Could balance on it just barely -> and could only put down very weak power say 15%.  Comparatively the 2016 AS23 is more stable by a substantial margin -> and could put down good sprint power say 85% during my first demo.  So can see why the Race was dropped completely and replaced with the AS25 plus 27 and 28.  Based on 2016 results the AS 23 and 25 did fine.
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 02:43:43 PM »
The widest one I know of are the 2014 models.
26" wide like yours (before your modifications and improvements :-) )
28" wide
Then (according to literature, Rozier's video and what I have seen around in 2015), they went to 23" only.
it was supposed to replace the 2014 both 24" and 26" wide.
In SB's words it was faster than the 24" and "more stable" than the 26" wide thus removing the need of a wider model.....
A more "relaxed" version of the 2015 in 26" would likely have been of interest to me.

Ah, makes sense. I'm looking for a donor board for a winter 2017 flatwater garage mod project but there isn't much around when you're 94kg....
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2017, 01:53:42 PM »
Luc Benac

I just saw this board for the first time today when Tino emailed me pics, and thought of you.... nice recess and the wide tail looks fairly stable.
Plus they generally offer different widths on all their models.

I'll put up a few pics since they are the 1st ones anywhere of this new design.

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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2017, 03:47:30 PM »
Luc Benac
I just saw this board for the first time today when Tino emailed me pics, and thought of you.... nice recess and the wide tail looks fairly stable.
Plus they generally offer different widths on all their models.
I'll put up a few pics since they are the 1st ones anywhere of this new design.

Thanks. Looks nice. What is the model/name - I guess Faast Pro. Does it comes in 26" instead of 23.5, maybe the Faast Non-Pr?
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2017, 03:46:06 AM »
Luc Benac
I just saw this board for the first time today when Tino emailed me pics, and thought of you.... nice recess and the wide tail looks fairly stable.
Plus they generally offer different widths on all their models.
I'll put up a few pics since they are the 1st ones anywhere of this new design.

Thanks. Looks nice. What is the model/name - I guess Faast Pro. Does it comes in 26" instead of 23.5, maybe the Faast Non-Pr?
We have a new Sunova distributor in our courtyard....

I haven't seen any in the UK but the new ONE boards look good too.
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2017, 04:14:01 AM »
Luc Benac
I just saw this board for the first time today when Tino emailed me pics, and thought of you.... nice recess and the wide tail looks fairly stable.
Plus they generally offer different widths on all their models.
I'll put up a few pics since they are the 1st ones anywhere of this new design.

Thanks. Looks nice. What is the model/name - I guess Faast Pro. Does it comes in 26" instead of 23.5, maybe the Faast Non-Pr?
We have a new Sunova distributor in our courtyard....

I haven't seen any in the UK but the new ONE boards look good too.
I've been in Aus the last three weeks and have seen the entire range except for the 17's.  All very nice looking, and fairly priced. 
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Re: Flat water board with deep recessed deck
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2017, 07:31:58 AM »
We are getting both ONE and Sunova locally this coming year are both distributors are here.
So in a couple of years there should be a small local second hand market :-)
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