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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 06:14:11 PM »
Yes, I have a Spitfire fin. Invented by Dave Parmenter and Todd Bradley I think. I've got a brand new one unopened if you want one...

One of these came standard with my C4 Holoholo 12ft. That was a very interesting and effective pocket DW and small surf board. Wish I hadn't sold it now.

It's a shame that C4 Waterman are different now. For a couple of years there they were the most innovative SUP brand going.

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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2017, 01:12:34 AM »
It was more of curiosity - seems an old design so was surprised to see it being swapped in on a brand new board 2017 board.

Maybe it works well - certainly never see anyone with them these days - it looks a big beast!

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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2017, 01:29:56 AM »
It seems to me that people believe whatever they want to believe about fins. So I think I'll pass this time on offering an opinion on the Spitfire.

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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2017, 10:38:31 AM »
Ad copy says - "It is also ideal for straight-line flat water and open ocean paddling."

One reviewer says - "Great fin for open water and keeping a straight line. Really keeps board on course going downwind or upwind, lots of stability in the waves, but because of the length it does have more drag to it and it's not good for shallow areas."

Fin has a 4.3 base x 11.1 depth at 51 sq in.  Looks to be a deep fin that provides directional stability.  It seems fins that provide stability and tracking - have an offset of less speed and slower turning.  This one may catch weeds as well.  Could be that guy just simply likes this fin for his riding style and is really used to it. 

https://www.thesurfboardwarehouse.com/p-2489-fcs-ii-fins-c4-spitfirebrsup-racing-fin.aspx


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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2017, 11:15:29 AM »
Basically - what probs happens is you adapt to the fin you use.  Looking at your fin quiver coldsup -> you look to have most bases covered from BP to Ultra to JL plus the squirrel and plenty of dolphins variations.

I often use my Gladiator Elite for AW tracking and stability - and it works ok for that.  Adds a lot of comfort and dampens the roll.  But is not good for side waves or fast turning.  As well feels kinda slow like it has a speed limit and can stall and broach if waves push you from behind.  Def not suited for DW applications - but does work to keep you on your toes.  Concentration levels go way up DW.

I really like the variation of fin designs.  Really allows you to change the feel of your board just like that.   :)
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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2017, 08:03:48 PM »
Ad copy says - "It is also ideal for straight-line flat water and open ocean paddling."

One reviewer says - "Great fin for open water and keeping a straight line. Really keeps board on course going downwind or upwind, lots of stability in the waves, but because of the length it does have more drag to it and it's not good for shallow areas."

Fin has a 4.3 base x 11.1 depth at 51 sq in.  Looks to be a deep fin that provides directional stability.  It seems fins that provide stability and tracking - have an offset of less speed and slower turning.  This one may catch weeds as well.  Could be that guy just simply likes this fin for his riding style and is really used to it. 

https://www.thesurfboardwarehouse.com/p-2489-fcs-ii-fins-c4-spitfirebrsup-racing-fin.aspx



I have to agree with you Eagle this fin is not a Sup fin. Thought I would share from Swaylocks 10 years ago a fin called the Spitefire for Surfing. Interesting!!!!

http://www.swaylocks.com/groups/spitfire-fin-solo-pb-larry
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So there was a fin that caught my eye a couple months ago:

Because I'd been reading about tip drag etc. with all the talk about carbon hoops, Roy's fins, Oneula's Wavegrinder...

So Solo sent me this fin:

Made by Larry in this factory (see how many threads can come together?):

http://www.swaylocks.com/...orum.cgi?post=323606

And this is how I feel about it, after surfing it once in pretty nice south swell waves, about chest high...

OK Noel...

This fin can handle angles way beyond my abilities.

I put it all the way back in a box (that was already only 5" away from the tail) of a 10'1 longboard. Tail about 14", soft rails, tail rocker in an accelerated curve up to about 4". Its a composite board, only about 15 lb.

First wave I dropped into, I was 10' behind a section. But before I even had a chance to adjust my feet, I was popping out onto the shoulder. Had to drop a big kick stall to keep from outrunning the wave altogether.

And it was much the same on the next dozen waves.

I'm not kidding around or blowing smoke because I spent money - it was really all that. Kick stalls were the norm, probably had to throw one on 4 out of every 5 waves I caught today. My buddy Michael was saying how fast I was squirting out from behind the sections. There was even this dreadlocked guy who's always sitting inside, waiting to jump on when people can't make the section, and he had to keep pulling back when he could see that I was going to make it.

If this is what reduced ( or no?) tip drag is all about, then I want more.

Its funny: I'm a beginner kiteboarder. With a kite & light wind, you have to learn that keeping the kite moving creates more 'apparent wind' for the leading edge of the kite, making it seem to fly faster and therefore, create more lift. This fin felt just like a kite - on the big waves (like high wind), I could trim it out, park it, and go light speed. On the mushier waves, if I kept it moving - sine waves up & down, just like a kite - it would push faster & faster. Other fins, when the waves mush, you can push them but at a certain point it becomes academic.

How many more can you make?

:)

Thanks again

Ben

Edit: BTW, in case anyone was waiting for a review of the other fin combinations possible with that board... I've also tested the board twice with the Griff-type 5-fin setup, 4 equal 4" front & back side fins, and a 3" center. Its good off the bottom, faster & more stable in trim than I expected, rollercoasters nicely, but hangs up in the top of the wave a little, like it would rather hold a high line than hit high & come back down. Takes more effort than I thought it would to redirect downwards.

Next up (if I can bring myself to take out the Spitfire fin) is a quad, like Robin recommended (in the photo above), with the upright 4.5" fronts, raked 4" rears, so I can pivot off the fronts & drive off the back.

Now, all I need is some more waves. :)

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Re: Help Selecting DW Fin For Falcon.
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2017, 09:44:47 AM »
So in addition to the FCS HI DW I picked up an LA Ninja. It's sitting on the board right now, but I haven't had a chance to paddle it yet. It's huge looking, a veritable work of art, and I'm excited to see how it compares to the FCS being such a different design, but also highly recommended for DW performance.

 


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