Author Topic: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish  (Read 3982 times)

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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2017, 08:27:23 AM »
Amazing stuff but I find the self promotion for motivational speeches a bit of a put off. When something inspiring is done in part as a publicity stunt it takes away from the accomplishment for me.
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2017, 08:50:56 AM »
Ordinarily I would agree with you 100% Stoney.  But, in this case, I feel that CB has now sufficiently navigated through and beyond the realm of "publicity stunt".  I get the sense he is currently paddling in the realm of "holy shit".

Unlike a lot of other available motivational speakers in this world, (the Frank Abagnale types), CB is not going to get loads of free media attention, so (I say) more power to him.
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2017, 09:00:41 AM »
Totally in the "holy shit" zone. I'll even listen to Tony Robbins for a few minutes, sometimes--well, maybe never, but still. The guy has to make a living, and an effort of this magnitude doesn't come cheap--both in terms of equipment and simply removing himself from earning a living otherwise.

I'm good with whatever he's doing. It's an amazing accomplishment.
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2017, 09:44:59 AM »
No question we're in the holy shit zone but that doesn't prevent the label of publicity stunt..in fact the more difficult something is the greater the potential for publicity. It was the popup on the website to book motivational speeches taking precedence over donations to charity that bothered me. I don't blame the guy for making a living and no question this is a marketable achievement but it seems a bit over the top having popups for speech booking. Have the popup for donations take center stage maybe? I went on there to make a donation...still did it .....but was a bit bothered by the self promotion.

I may be a bit too sensitive about it. I have some problems with all the promotion being done in general....everyone looking to be a team rider, or for free stuff, posting how stoked they are with this or #hashtag that. I walked away from being a Starboard ambassador, and later a Kenalu rep, because I didn't want it to even remotely seem like the CCBC was about marketing or benefiting me personally. The perception of the CCBC as grass roots all volunteer...pure charity was more important to me. But then I don't have to make a living at it so it's easy to be critical I guess.

No question an amazing undertaking and the promotion doesn't take away from the accomplishment......just stains the motivation behind it slightly....maybe.
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2017, 09:58:00 AM »
I understand your motivation dude, and I've always admired that in you.  But that's not everybody, and you never know the source of what might seem to be a flawed priority. I've been in too many meetings where the marketing priorities went haywire to judge something like that.

The delayed popup is the flavor de jour in web marketing, and deciding what to put in them takes second fiddle to the importance of having one. Any consultant/designer who doesn't insist on one would be considered an amateur. I can't wait to see what the next "required element" is.
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2017, 10:22:37 AM »
The popup pissed me off as well, and so I just closed the site immediately.

I can't see why this kind of antic should render Chris any more qualified to give a motivational speech than e.g. someone who has managed to care for a sick person for years under difficult circumstances and without complaint or holiday. Good luck to him, it's an amazing feat. But these feats are all about ego and guts and glory, and the popup just reminded me too much of that.

It's a subtle balance, getting the tone of this sort of stuff right. And I don't think his web designer has served him well here, whether or not it conforms to the latest best method for selling toilet rolls to bored housewives.

But I sure hope he makes it anyway. The strain on his family and loved ones must be profound.

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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2017, 04:43:23 PM »
The popup pissed me off as well, and so I just closed the site immediately.

It's a subtle balance, getting the tone of this sort of stuff right. And I don't think his web designer has served him well here, whether or not it conforms to the latest best method for selling toilet rolls to bored housewives.

But I sure hope he makes it anyway. The strain on his family and loved ones must be profound.

Everyone hates them, but of course, they work extremely well, especially delayed popups. There was a time an agency could argue that a strong result with an irritating tactic ignored the people you piss off that will never trust you again. But even inexpensive or free web analytics tools will tell you exactly who you're pissing off and how much you should care.

At least the most egregious stuff like opening new windows or browser instances when someone tries to leave the site have pretty much disappeared or are easily blocked. Yahoo has been doing seriously slimy and aggressive stuff for a long time. I avoid them like the plague that they are. I don't know anything about Chris Bertish, but I consider it likely that his well-heeled sponsor helped with the site stuff. It's a fairly sophisticated bit of work.
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2017, 04:51:20 PM »
I really like that grass roots quality of the CCBC. It feels kind of crunchy, and with good beer!
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Re: The SUP Crossing - Chris Bertish
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2017, 07:06:54 AM »
The popup pissed me off as well, and so I just closed the site immediately.

I can't see why this kind of antic should render Chris any more qualified to give a motivational speech than e.g. someone who has managed to care for a sick person for years under difficult circumstances and without complaint or holiday. Good luck to him, it's an amazing feat. But these feats are all about ego and guts and glory, and the popup just reminded me too much of that.

It's a subtle balance, getting the tone of this sort of stuff right. And I don't think his web designer has served him well here, whether or not it conforms to the latest best method for selling toilet rolls to bored housewives.

But I sure hope he makes it anyway. The strain on his family and loved ones must be profound.
It's bizarre that on many things we think so alike A10...maybe we should stay away from politics..... :).

Thanks Ian....it is kinda crunchy with good beer...and food... :) BTW....sent you a PM about my stupidity....I'm such an idiot sometimes..... :P
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 07:10:05 AM by stoneaxe »
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